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Speaker 1: It is time for politics Wednesday, make Mitchell Jinny Anders

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Speaker 1: some morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Ny.

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Speaker 1: Scrutiny week. I think last year came on this program

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Speaker 1: and spoke glowingly of it. Does year two live up

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Speaker 1: to plan?

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Speaker 3: I've only had one day yet, so a bit early

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Speaker 3: out the gates. But if we were able to invite

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Speaker 3: ministers to the Justice Committee, so in the opposition we

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Speaker 3: wanted to invite Minister of Police Nicole McKee's Firearms Goldsmith Justice,

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Speaker 3: we didn't get the opportunity to invite any of those ministers.

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Speaker 4: So it's a bit of a fizzer out the gates already.

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Speaker 1: So I watched some of the financial stuff yesterday. It

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Speaker 1: seemed just a lot of back and forth bitching. Is

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Speaker 1: that all that goes on?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's important to hold them accountable. If people are

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Speaker 3: saying things that aren't true, then they need to front

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Speaker 3: up and explain where they got their numbers from. And

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Speaker 3: so with health, it's pretty shaky ground that you're trying

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Speaker 3: to basically manufacture a crisis and you've got newses on

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Speaker 3: strike already in pay rounds, so it's not looking pretty

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Speaker 3: for the health set.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of scrutiny week. Generally, mate, I

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Speaker 1: think it's good.

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Speaker 2: I think it's another way of you know, I was

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Speaker 2: obviously having scrutiny and transparency around what agencies are doing.

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Speaker 2: All the chief executives are appearing in front of the committee.

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Speaker 2: It's no different between labor and government. I've appeared in

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Speaker 2: front of the committee, I will do again, and I'm

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Speaker 2: appearing in front of the one of the committees this

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Speaker 2: week in emmergency menagement. I think it's like I said,

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Speaker 2: I just think we've had but we've got one of

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Speaker 2: the most transparence systems and we should we should keep

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Speaker 2: improving that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the conference Jinny over the weekend, Isaac has they'd

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Speaker 1: a beautiful location.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. This business of tax How is it

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Speaker 1: we built up to it last week, going mate, you

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Speaker 1: know we're going to have a talk about it, going

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Speaker 1: to have a vote on it, and then then it's

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Speaker 1: still we're not talking about it anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe your colleagues in the media could explain that

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Speaker 3: because we were always going to have a discussion. We

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Speaker 3: did have that discussion, and we've opted to take a

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Speaker 3: good look at those two options and do some further work.

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Speaker 1: So you voted to go forward with the idea.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a further look at both capital

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Speaker 3: gains and wealth text do the work on.

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Speaker 1: It, Yeah, okay, conducted.

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Speaker 4: So there's a bunch of things in there.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's realized or unrealized, is in terms of where

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Speaker 3: it would sit, watch areas it would kept, what are

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Speaker 3: the flow on effects of either? So all those analysises

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Speaker 3: have to be done before you can come out of

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Speaker 3: the gate and stuff.

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Speaker 1: What about the charities thing that came out of the

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Speaker 1: Nicola Willis yesterday inscrutinly we're speaking, which she says she

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Speaker 1: might treat charities differently. You'd go along with that, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to be cautious about how

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Speaker 3: it was structured. I know Nikola Willis is scrambling to

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Speaker 3: find additional fund so there will be some sneaky Texes

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Speaker 3: that she'll be looking to do. So I'll be dubious

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Speaker 3: to see if this is one of those.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you reckon, Mark? I mean, would you

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Speaker 1: are you in favor of changing the tax on charities?

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Speaker 2: The only one that does sneaky things around Texas is labor.

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Speaker 2: They are desperately trying.

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Speaker 4: To find the tobacco dudes. That's pretty snaky.

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Speaker 2: They're desperately trying to find ways of texting keywys Water.

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Speaker 2: They're not convicted. They want Keys to sort of say

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Speaker 2: oh you no, no, we we're up for that, instead

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Speaker 2: of just living by the convictions. If they want a

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Speaker 2: texta country, we'll just come out and do it instead

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Speaker 2: of talking about it all the time. Look at and

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Speaker 2: in terms of other Texas, it's entirely up to Nicholas.

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Speaker 2: She is doing. Here is an awful economy with bonfires everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and we've been working fled out for a year to

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Speaker 2: get those damp down, get them sort of out, and

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Speaker 2: when we will and check on doing that might just

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Speaker 2: really cut them. Sorry, this is random because we're coming

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Speaker 2: up to Christmas. You are I promised, well, I promised

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Speaker 2: the o Tara Community Corrections.

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Speaker 1: Team all I mean, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Say a huge Mike Hoskins fans And they asked me

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Speaker 2: to do it, and I said, he doesn't like me

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Speaker 2: doing this sort of stuff, but I s because it's Chris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. You're right, Jenny, I do love it.

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Speaker 1: So sorry, So who is the Otara WAT.

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Speaker 2: It's the o Tara Community Corrections Team. They're doing an

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Speaker 2: outstanding job around public safety. I was with them last

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Speaker 2: week and they said, please please can you can you

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Speaker 2: give us a share that we love Mike Hoskins.

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Speaker 1: No, that's lovely now will you? Will you thank them

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Speaker 1: very much for me? Who have you met this week?

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Speaker 1: Jenny that loves me?

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Speaker 4: Who have I met? Well?

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Speaker 1: There would have been a lot of people of the Isaac.

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Speaker 3: Can I say? Is that my mum is warming up

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Speaker 3: to you, believe it or not. I mean I come

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Speaker 3: from a strong socialist family, and my mom's starting to

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Speaker 3: listen to you. So you know you've got light years

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Speaker 3: of progress.

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Speaker 1: When I'm all slowly one at a time. Mark, what's

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Speaker 1: your what's your what's your mother's name? Ginny Trisia Trisia

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Speaker 1: and health in west Auckland, Tricia of west Auckland. How

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Speaker 1: old is she without.

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Speaker 4: An She's over seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that exciting that that at that stage of life

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Speaker 1: you can come to a realization that perhaps you've been

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Speaker 1: wrong all those years.

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Speaker 4: Dad, Not no, you haven't got dad? Sorry, Okay, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think I've taken it from this. Ye Jinny,

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Speaker 1: I think you're a bit of a listen to the

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Speaker 1: program reluctantly, aren't you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I listen.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's a good way of staying

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Speaker 3: connected to the range of views. And I've always been

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Speaker 3: the belief that if you surround yourself with the same

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Speaker 3: views as everyone that you believe in all the time,

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Speaker 3: that makes you pretty boring. So you need to challenge

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Speaker 3: yourself and understand what other people's points of view are.

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Speaker 1: There. You go, hey, Mark, would you move? Do you

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Speaker 1: think it is fair? Because I don't think we've got

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Speaker 1: a definitive answer this week from Louise or the Prime minister.

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Speaker 1: Is it acceptable to have to move town to find

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Speaker 1: a job?

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Speaker 2: Look, it depends on how much you want that job.

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Speaker 1: And look, yeah, but what the states sanction you if

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Speaker 1: they say, look, mate, you're here in the middle of nowhere,

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Speaker 1: small town, five hundred people, the mills closed down, the

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Speaker 1: road one hundred miles is work you got to go.

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Speaker 2: Look, that's a really that's a difficult one. I know

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Speaker 2: when I joined the police, I didn't have a choice.

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Speaker 2: I had to go where they needed me and where

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Speaker 2: the work was, and so that a lot of that

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Speaker 2: is around personal choice. So it's a really difficult one part.

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Speaker 2: So I think that look in terms of the mill,

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Speaker 2: I asked the police and said, look, get in and

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Speaker 2: do a recruiting drive at the in Canleeth because those

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Speaker 2: people are shift workers, are hard workers, they've got a

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Speaker 2: great work ethic. They'd make great police officers. So have

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Speaker 2: you even listening to this? We're recruiting, come and sign up.

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Speaker 1: What about you, Ginny? I mean, obviously under your government

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Speaker 1: you didn't do it. Are you open to it?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think I lived on Great Barrier Island when I

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Speaker 3: was young, and I remember a time after we moved

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Speaker 3: off the island that I think I'm pretty sure it's

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Speaker 3: international that they just stopped paying an employment benefit there

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Speaker 3: because if there wasn't employment the year and so a

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Speaker 3: lot of people did move out over that time, and

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Speaker 3: so I think it has been done in the past.

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Speaker 3: How strictly it's enforced is the question, because how do

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Speaker 3: you engauge how many jobs are there in the town

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Speaker 3: when there could be an opportunity if someone sticks around,

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Speaker 3: And then you have to weigh up the cost to

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Speaker 3: the taxpayer and the social cost of shifting house, taking

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Speaker 3: kids out of school, all of the social fragmentation that

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Speaker 3: happens off the back of that, so that needs to

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Speaker 3: be weighed up as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ginny, just quickly at the council. What happened yesterday,

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Speaker 1: broadly for it or not.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just have to see the problem is consistency

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Speaker 3: if you've got local boards making individual decisions about where

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Speaker 3: things go.

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Speaker 4: In terms of transport.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I thought the whole point of a supercity

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Speaker 3: was to have coordination right across or cli metro. So

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Speaker 3: the riskers that you fragment it and don't have a

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Speaker 3: single standard, I.

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Speaker 1: Tend to agree. Mark, can you do us a favor?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Kaying Aura didn't even look at wall carpet.

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Speaker 1: They're gone with the nylon. The wall people said, the

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Speaker 1: wall people said they could compete on price. I thought

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Speaker 1: they were under instruction to support local product. Get some

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Speaker 1: wall in some houses. Can you find out what the

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Speaker 1: hell's going on there?

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Speaker 2: I'll go and find out for you.

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Speaker 1: Let's go go and sort that program. Anyway. Listen, you

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Speaker 1: go well for Christmas, and thank you for the year,

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Speaker 1: and we'll look for to your company in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Mike, thank you for having us both.

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Speaker 1: No worries, it all you go, well, both of you.

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

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