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Speaker 1: Verry Soper Political Senior Political correspondence with us HI Barry.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, heado.

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Speaker 1: So the Waikato Medical School Are you loving this?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: We talked about it last year or sorry, in the

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Speaker 2: lead up to the election in twenty twenty three, didn't we.

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Speaker 2: They were then saying it was going to cost the

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Speaker 2: taxpayer about two hundred and eighty odd million dollars to

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Speaker 2: set it up. Well, the taxpayer is stumping up only

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Speaker 2: eighty million dollars. The rest is coming from the Waikata

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Speaker 2: University and philanthropists. But the thing that interested me is

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Speaker 2: Soon as Chris Luxon and samm Brown were at the

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Speaker 2: podium announcing this New Medical School Act, was putting out

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Speaker 2: a statement claiming credit for driving down the price. I mean,

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Speaker 2: why can't they just pull back a bit and allow

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Speaker 2: the government, if it wants to take credit for this,

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Speaker 2: take credit for it as a collective. But no, David

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Speaker 2: Seymour was there saying it's acts rigorous, questioning they help

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Speaker 2: to ensure more efficient investment and key, we's got a

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Speaker 2: bit of deal out of it. Well, Chris Likeson says

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Speaker 2: the creation of the new medical schools essential for coping

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Speaker 2: with our aging population.

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Speaker 4: We've got anyway from two to three hundred, one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty students from New Zealand studying in Australian universities

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Speaker 4: doing medicine. And once they go there and they do

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Speaker 4: their studies there, yes, so some of them will come back,

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Speaker 4: but not all of them. And so the actual opportunity

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Speaker 4: about creating more spaces and opening up more spaces for

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Speaker 4: medical students. We've been trying to do that, like expanding

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Speaker 4: places obviously in Otago and also in Auckland. But obviously

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Speaker 4: this is quite a big lead forward as we put

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Speaker 4: another one hundred and twenty slots into training each year.

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Speaker 4: And if you're going to have a rising population, you've

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Speaker 4: got one medical school for two point six million people.

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Speaker 4: We look at Australia, one medical school for every one

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Speaker 4: point two million in Australians. You know, we need to

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Speaker 4: be able to start to move in that place and

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Speaker 4: make this investment.

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Speaker 2: So that's a reasonable argument, I think, And you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight that's when it's meant to start. I'll

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Speaker 2: start producing students in twenty and thirty two. But the

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Speaker 2: thing is or doctor, sorry it is the first in

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Speaker 2: take twenty eight. Yeah, but The thing is, how do

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Speaker 2: you tell a person that's graduated medical school to stay

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Speaker 2: in the region. And I don't know are they going

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Speaker 2: to bond them? They weren't asked at the news conference.

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Speaker 2: I would have liked to have known that. So how

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Speaker 2: do they keep them in the area. They say they're

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Speaker 2: drawing them in from the Waikato region, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know how they're going to ensure that they stay there

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Speaker 2: once they graduate.

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Speaker 1: Fair question, Yeah, what do you make of the NCAA changes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they have to come, don't they. I mean,

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Speaker 2: nca it's been a dog ever since it was introduced

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Speaker 2: by the then Education Minister TRAVL. Mallard back in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and two, and it really they sold it on

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Speaker 2: the key being flexibility and it essentially allows and we

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Speaker 2: saw one of our lovely producers out there saying today

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Speaker 2: that he got mathematics credits through doing geography from his geography,

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Speaker 2: cross credit geography and then get enough credits in mathematics.

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Speaker 2: And that's how the system is wrought by schemes like

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Speaker 2: that and jacking up sums so that they get the

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Speaker 2: right credits. Why don't they just go back to what

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Speaker 2: we used to have school certificate, university entrance. And I

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Speaker 2: know it sound like an old fogy going on about it,

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Speaker 2: but at least it was a national standard.

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Speaker 1: This isn't.

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Speaker 2: This is so varied in how it applies to me,

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't make it.

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Speaker 1: I always think that if you see parents starting to

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Speaker 1: avoid something, then you must acknowledge there's a problem with it.

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Speaker 1: And parents are going out of their way to avoid

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Speaker 1: this and to go for ib and Cambridge, So you

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Speaker 1: know that's right. But still, regardless of the fact that

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Speaker 1: you and I might think it's a slam dunk, it

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Speaker 1: is a really brave thing for Eric Stanford to do

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Speaker 1: to overhaul something as significant as this.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, you know governments, as we said at the

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Speaker 2: outset of this, they've done it before. They can do it.

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Speaker 3: Again absolutely all right now, I can't quite understand who

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Speaker 3: are these councils and government departments paying good money to

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Speaker 3: set up what is it Maldi language apps or something.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are, and I can tell you who's wasting

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Speaker 2: the money go on then this is through the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 2: I'm inquired of them today. Acc they've spent thirty eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars on getting an app that's already available through

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Speaker 2: a nationalized system, the Ministry for Primary Industries MB, the

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Speaker 2: Ministry of Business, the Ministry of Social Development. As if

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Speaker 2: they can afford to spend money, willing lily, will they

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Speaker 2: spend forty three and a half thousand dollars developing an app.

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Speaker 2: But if you're worried about your rates being high, and

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Speaker 2: if you live in Taronga, then may spend seventy five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars in getting their own cultural app. And do

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Speaker 2: you know how many times it was downloaded? Just over

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Speaker 2: two thousand, So that's about thirty four dollars for each

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Speaker 2: time it's unloaded. The way Cato Regional Council they also

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Speaker 2: spent thirty four thousand dollars on it. Now this is

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Speaker 2: available nationally through the Maori Language Commission, so you can

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Speaker 2: have you can adopt that app and save yourself the

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Speaker 2: travel of spending all this money, much of it taxpas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not beating up. It's not beating

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Speaker 1: up on the fact that it is a Maori language app, right,

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Speaker 1: it is beating up on the fact that if these

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Speaker 1: things are already really available, why are you spending money

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Speaker 1: duplicating precisely, Yeah, Barry, thanks very much. Barry Soper, Senior

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