1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Wealling seven past seven, So the government wants a word 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: with you on the new sex sid guidelines for schools. 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The previous framework with scrapped words like woken, out of touch, 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: we're being used. An independent group has put together a 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: new proposal and the Education Minister, Erica Stanford's back with 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: us a very good morning to you. Good morning make 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Do you like what they're saying or not? 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: Look, I do like what they're saying. I think though 9 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: there is probably room for improvement, which is why we 10 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: have now sent it out into the world and we've 11 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: said to parents and to educators, what do you think 12 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: should be taught and when? What is age appropriate? Is 13 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: there anything missing? Is there anything that we should add 14 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: in or take out? Let us know. This is the 15 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: time for feedback. It's just a draft framework. Once we 16 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: have public feedback, we will go and write the year 17 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: by year knowledge rich curriculum that will let parents know 18 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: exactly what is being taught every year to give them 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: choice about what they do for their children and the 20 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: best interests of their. 21 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Family over what time frame you doing this. 22 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: We'll be writing the curriculum this year and it'll be 23 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: out for public consultation later in the year. 24 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: So this is genuine consultation as opposed to consultation. 25 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Now, this is genuine consultation. We don't have all the answers. 26 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: Nobody does. But the one thing I would say is that, 27 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: as you know very well, that there are many different 28 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: opinions on this and it's very split, which is why 29 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: I'm doing this. Rather than asking schools to do it. 30 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: What we've had in the past is a very loose, 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: vague curriculum that leads it up to schools who have 32 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: to go out every two years by law and consult 33 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: with their communities about what to teach and when. And 34 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: can you imagine putting a school in that position? Even 35 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: Ero reports that it was very divisive and the principles 36 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: found it really uncomfortable. In fact, sometimes there was a 37 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: lot of aggression from communities. 38 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: But what was being taught well side does take any 39 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: of the angst out of it? 40 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think there will still be anks, of course, 41 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: but direct that angst at me, do not direct it 42 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: at your schools. I'd rather that I take the heat 43 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: on this than they have to do that. So that's 44 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: why we want to have this year by year curriculum 45 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: that tells parents exactly what will be taught, the words 46 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: that will be used, so they can make an informed 47 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: choice about what to do for their child. But more importantly, 48 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: it gives us consistency. At the moment we know that 49 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: there are huge gaps in young people's learning when it 50 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: comes to our relationship and sexuality education. This will now 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: be consistent. It will give teachers in schools clarity, and 52 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: there will be choice for parents whether or not they 53 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: have the conversations with their children. 54 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: And I to say, where does a parents fit into 55 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: this at any point? 56 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a well accepted narrative in this 57 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: country that it is the parent's responsibility, but the schools 58 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: will step in as the sort of the you know, 59 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: if you haven't been told this by this point, we 60 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: will teach it. But what we do have to make 61 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: sure that we do is say to parents, this is 62 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: exactly what's being taught. So if you want to have 63 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: a conversation in advance with your child and let the 64 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: school do some or if you'd like to pull them 65 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: out and do it yourself, or if you would like 66 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: to let the school do it, that is your choice. 67 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: And so I think that the group the ministry put 68 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: inside the ministry have done a good job. They have 69 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: put puberty. I heard earlier that puberty was left to 70 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: high school. It's not. It starts. It's year five, a 71 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: very early discussions and then at year six we talk 72 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: about it more because young girls are going through puberty 73 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: much earlier these days. And we are talking about consent 74 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: and it will be compulsory finally, and I have to 75 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: do a shout out to the girls of Wellington Girls 76 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: College who have been advocating for this four years and 77 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: we will introduce it very early, talking about can someone 78 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: borrow my bike? Is it okay to hold my hand? 79 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: And then introduce it later in terms of sex education 80 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: at high school. 81 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: Okay, while I've got you other hat. The golden visa 82 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: things seems to smash it and it's yours, isn't it. 83 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: You change the rules, Well, yes I did. 84 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: But I've been talking about this forever ever since the 85 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: previous government made the changes. It was obvious that it was, 86 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, shooting the golden ghosts and replacing it with 87 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 2: a lame dark as I like to say. We've had 88 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: hardly any applications in the last two or three years. 89 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: I think these changes came at the right time, there 90 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: is an unease in the world, as you know. In mind, 91 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: we made the visa more flexible, more attractive. We've got 92 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: different categories for different risk appetites, and it is going 93 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: gangbusters with already bulletsed. I think that the number of 94 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: applications we've had in the last three years so or 95 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: we soon well, and a lot of that is coming 96 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: out of America. 97 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Exactly. All right, go well, appreciate it very much. Erica Stamford, 98 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Education and Immigration Minister, eleven minutes past seven. For more 99 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks 100 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 101 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.