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Speaker 1: Why are you doing that voice? Why are you my voice?

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Speaker 1: Go Mike, We would be better to encourage people to car,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like that guy that was you know,

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Speaker 2: So you just turned You just turned seventy thirty into

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Speaker 1: Do Tim Wilson, do you believe your kids enter a

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 3: So the value of that has gone. So our economy

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Speaker 3: It's more important now to know the question than it

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Speaker 2: Also, all its left is plumbing, scaffolding and practice lawn mowing.

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Speaker 2: But the robots are doing that too.

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Speaker 2: a big drive. What's your what's your dream?

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Speaker 2: Gas guzzler?

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Speaker 1: Come on, quick, quick, quick, as Aston Martin Vanquish valunte

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Speaker 1: to a new one. Well, it's well, it would be

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Speaker 1: fuel efficient, there'd be more Their V twelve now would

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Speaker 1: be more fuel efficient than the V twelve for Bold.

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Speaker 1: So I'm genuinely trying to save.

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Speaker 2: Seventy two Cadillac Eldorado ber It's convertible coupe seven liters

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Speaker 1: Fair called good call. What's your CA cake?

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Speaker 3: I want a Mini Cooper and I think I want

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Speaker 3: just a little run about around the city.

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Speaker 2: And pud puddle jumper.

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Speaker 3: And I'm leaning towards because you've been working hard at

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Speaker 3: home convincing me. I'm leaning towards maybe having to do

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Speaker 3: that in an EV.

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Speaker 1: Mike Drop moment, Mike Drop, I'm no longer going to

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Speaker 1: the world has changed. I'm straight down to the mini

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Speaker 1: garage to buy an electric Mini. I've got the clearance.

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Speaker 1: You heard it right across the nation. We're going EV

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Speaker 1: at the Hosking Hawks House. This whole segment, my whole

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Speaker 1: life has now been worth it. Nice to see. Hooray, hooray.

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