1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Right, Oh, Murray Old, how are you feeling? 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: Michael? Very good morning, pretty good, thank you this Friday morning. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 3: I just love the way you guys run the country. 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 3: Camden MP Selly Quinnilde, who gave seventy five thousand of 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 3: the Camden Musical Society, an organization she co founded. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: What could correctly, what could possibly go wrong? 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Mate? This is as old as politics, isn't it. I mean, look, 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: labor here in New South Wales went to the twenty 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: three state election promising four hundred k for every MP 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 2: on both sides of the house, but four hundred k 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: towards local community projects. Well, who would see anything going 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: wrong here? I mean, as you say, you know, the 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: Camden Musical Society a very worthy organization. It does need 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars of taxpayers money to get new 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Dunnies or whatever. It was a new coffee heard, I 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: don't know, but here we go. And such twas the 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: stense arising from this that there was a secret review 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: conducted by the state government and lo and behold, we've 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: got two projects that were absolutely A further twenty eight 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: were identified as having quote moderate probity risk unquote you know, hello, 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: This is all in the nine newspapers here in Sydney. 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is that both sides have 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: done this for a time immemorial right around the world. 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: I think you'll find if there's taxpayer's money to be 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: sloshed around, one side will dole it out. It's called 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, it's just what's the phrase, the phrase for it. 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: It's pork barreling. Pork barreling. 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: There we go, and that comes I think from before 29 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: the American Civil War. So anyway, look, yeah, there's been 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: a spike put through two of these projects completely. They 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: have been dumped. Others are now having another review. So 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: it does stink, no doubt about it. 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: Tim Krakenthorpe. The review found received campaign support from Connections 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: and four of the nine organizations associated with as nominated projects. 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: It's funny, that, isn't it. Speaking of Queensland this weekend, 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: the coalition get a wrong home, do you think. 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: Oh, look, I think labor's on the nose big time 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: in Queensland and you know, the electoral cycles tells us 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: that it is time for a coaling government up there, 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: Conservative coalition government. But gee, where's the leader of the coalition, 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 2: Chris a Fooley. I mean, honest to God, I don't 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: think he'd send him down to the Bunnings to make 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: the sausages. He do something wrong with that on a 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: Saturday morning, and the other sides know better. I mean, 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: there's just a basket case, Queens, and in the same 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: way as Victoria's a basketcase both labor administrations and they're 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: bloody hopeless. They've bankrupted the states and like so often happens, 48 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: they outspend and outstayed. They're welcome, they've outspent the money 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: that they had available. And you know each state now 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: is in trouble. And I think, yes, Saturday tomorrow we'll 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: see a thumping when for the coalition. 52 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: The Kim Williams bloke. Do you know him at all? 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: Is he your name? 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: But I don't know him personally. 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: So anyway, he got speaking, he got chair of the ABC. 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: One of the first things he did was he gave 57 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: him a good rack up and he said, this far 58 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: too much fluff on your website. Tight and tidy it up, 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: tighten it up and get a bit serious. 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: And they did. 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: And I note the figures out this week indicate they've 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: gone back to the number one red website in Australia. 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: So he's probably onto something, wasn't he Well he. 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: Is, and you know a lot of people are saying 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: here because I worked for the ABC, I do three 66 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: days a week here trying to keep the news afloat 67 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 2: on the only old person of the news and the 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: rest of them just left school. And what Kim Williams 69 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: has done has come in and he's kicking backsides all 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: over the place and people say, well, that's not the 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: chairs job. Well he's arrived after twenty twenty five years 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: working for Rupert Murdoch, he's been involved in the arts, 73 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: he's run Opera Australia. He is a serious player, a 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: big player across many many platforms, and he has arrived. 75 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: The managing director is going. A bunch of other things 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: have happened. He's got rid of the Radio National morning 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: breakfast presenter Patricia Carr. He says he wants news to 78 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: get serious again. He wants all that fluff, as you say, 79 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: off the website. You know, who cares about ducklings making 80 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: it safely across the road. We're more ined in the 81 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: bloody Middle East. But all that fluff was getting up 82 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: there and now the website has come back. But gee whiz, 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the same over home in 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: New Zealand. But you look at radio newsrooms around the place, 85 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: there's no one left anymore. There's no money getting put 86 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: into it. No one appears apparently appears to care less 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: about news. So I think Kim Williams is going to 88 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: be a breath of fresh air at this place. 89 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: Interesting and Lydia performed well this week, didn't she What 90 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: a classic she is my home world. 91 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: Well, he's just a buffoon, I mean she you know, 92 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: And I'm in no way am I trying to be 93 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: disrespectful to a female politician. But she just does herself 94 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: no favors by looking like a big goose in Parliament 95 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: screaming at the Kinglow and then this nonsense about I 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: didn't swear allegiance to the queen's heirs. I swore allegiance 97 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: to her hairs until she realized that quarter million dollars 98 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: a year salary might be at risk. And she's oh, no, no, no, 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: I misspoke. It was a bit late because the opposite, 100 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: the federal Opposition, has referred her off to the presiding 101 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: officers of the Senate and they're going to have an 102 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: inquiry apparently into whether or not she should be sacked. 103 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: I mean, she is an unfortunate look for her, it's unfortunate. Look. 104 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: I think her heart's in the right place, but she 105 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: just behaves. 106 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: Like doesn't know how to behave herself. 107 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: This done thing with the nuclear And it's really interesting 108 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: because I don't know if you're following this, but these 109 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: data centers. We're big in New Zealand on wanting to 110 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: be a host of data centers, and so you've got 111 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: your Googles and your Oracles and all those guys. They 112 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 3: are now building nuclear reactors, their own nuclear reactors mini 113 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: or doing deals with nuclear providers to run these things 114 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: because the power required is so vast that no grid 115 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: can handle it, which brings us interestingly to you, because 116 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: of course we can't get through the winter at the moment, 117 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: far less a data center without having power problems in 118 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: this country because we just don't have enough renewables and 119 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff, and we're importing more coal 120 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: than we ever have. But of course you got to 121 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: hold you got a slightly different view of it, haven't you. 122 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: I mean, you boot, you do boon coal and you 123 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: seem happy enough to with a general view to in 124 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: the long term maybe you know, putting it to one 125 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: side and you using a bit of window or whatever 126 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: or whatever else. 127 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: Well that's right. I mean, look, renewables is here, the 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 2: whole renewables, a suite of renewables is here to stay. 129 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: I think that's you know, no one's arguing against that. 130 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 2: But how we get to that point? That's where the 131 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: argument is over Here, We've got a fleet of aging 132 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: coal fired power stations that basically are now clapped out. 133 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: They're fifty sixty years old. And you know Peter Dutton 134 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: wants to have the coalition building seven nuclear reactors. The 135 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: CSIRO is Australia's number one science agency, says, well, you 136 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: won't get that up and running for absolute decades. Will 137 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: the opposite joyous? We will, And the head of the 138 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: Australian Energy Regulator says, well, guess what. The power stations 139 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: are going to be clapped out long before any atomic 140 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: energies online, and you know it's going to have to 141 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: be a gas transition. Well you know the Greens hate that. 142 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: So you know where do we go from here? We 143 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: too have have power supply problems in Australia, and you 144 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: look at the vast amounts of coal that are here. Yes, 145 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: you know, and coal fire powerstations will be used as 146 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: long as they can go. But there's no appetite to 147 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: spend money to maintain these things, to pour, you know, 148 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars into these old plants because 149 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: they're going to be bugged up next week. 150 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: What are you going on for the weekend? Something cool? 151 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be watching the all blacks plage of pan. 152 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that it'll be. And by how many do you reckon? 153 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know you'd think against that Rabbel. 154 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: Curdie Jordan's fifty. 155 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon twenty five to thirty points. They should 156 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: do it all right? 157 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: Might go well? 158 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: Seeing next Friday for Almost Murrayolds, The Mighty Murriolds, The 159 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: Fabulous murray Olds. 160 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 161 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 162 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio