1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Have you heard about the Alpha guns. They are Alpha 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: carbines and our Alpha hunter rifles. Gun control advocates want 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: to ban on those rifles because they can be cut 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: down into handguns. Now, I hadn't heard about these guns 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: until just a month or two ago when somebody asked 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: for some pictures on the news. Criminals love these guns. 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: They get around the tight rules at limit their access 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: to the handguns. They cut them down so they're easily portable, 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: and they don't discard the shell so they don't leave 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: forensic evidence. About twenty one percent of these rifles brought 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: into New Zealand from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: have been passed on to the criminals. We found this 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: out from the police. Co founder of Gun Control New Zealand, 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Nick Green is with me. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: Now, have a Nick good Andrew, how are you. 16 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Good outside of crime? What do people use these sorts 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: of guns for. 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: It's pretty hard to tell, actually, I mean, they arguably 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: have a use for hunting, but you've got much better options. 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: You've got three or threes, you've got shotguns arb you. 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: There's really not a very strong case to have these 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: guns in the country to begin with. 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: But we let them men. Why we let them. 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: In because they're legal. You know, the police fight this 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: ongoing battle of having to assess the applications and trying 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: to block them. But because they're not prohibited, it's quite 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: hard to stop them coming in. 28 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: Should they be prohibited in your. 29 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: View, yes, and our view. You know, you need to 30 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: stop the very dangerous gud into the community. We did 31 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: that with the simi automatic weapons. These are very similar. 32 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: They're highly split after by criminals, They're easily converted into 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: pistols and can be used in crimes. In our view, 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: they pose a real threat to the community, and it's 35 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: all threat. 36 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Well, why are we talking about this now? Shouldn't we 37 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: have talked about it when they got the license, when 38 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: the police gave them the license to import the guns 39 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: in the first place. I mean, the guns are here, 40 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: it's a bit later than it. 41 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: Mate, Well, some of them are in. The question is 42 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: should we stop the flow the further flow coming in? Right, 43 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: we stop semi automatic weapons. Why do you want to 44 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: make life easy for criminals and let more of these 45 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: guns come in when we know that a fair chunk 46 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: of them will end up in the hands of games 47 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: in criminals. 48 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: So should the process of importing guns into the see 49 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: them to then be sold, be changed so that there's 50 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: a chance for public expression of disquiet, which you would 51 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: have done for the Alphas when they first came in. 52 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: It's a question of public risk. Lots of guns are 53 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: perfectly safe, have legitimate uses, like shotguns and rifles, But 54 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: the things that post a particular rest of the community, 55 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: like semi automatic weapons or things that can be converted 56 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: into pistols, we think there's a higher threshold involved. 57 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Okay, is it just the olph carbines and the Oupha 58 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: hunters you want to ban on? 59 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: These are the most prominent ones we think we've got 60 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: with most of the signify and guns, But it's an 61 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: ongoing game, right of wag mole. The police need to 62 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: be on top of their game and need to have 63 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: the tools to keep the community safe. 64 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: Is there anything else you're wanting to see in the 65 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: government's rewright of the Firearms Act which they're into right now, 66 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: and do you have confidence in that rewrite because they 67 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: seem to be more liberal about gun ownership than the 68 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: previous lot. 69 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Well, in irview, there's like there's three things you need 70 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: to do to keep the community safe. You need really 71 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: strict rules and processes to make sure that only response 72 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: where people can get a license in a gun. You 73 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: need to register all all the guns in the community 74 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: so that if someone does try and sell it to 75 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: a criminal Right Game member, there's a high chance to 76 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: get caught. And the third thing you need to do 77 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: is you need to stop really dangerous guns from getting 78 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: into the country. Those are the three things we think 79 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: any new law needs to uphold. 80 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Mat Green, co founder of Gun Controlling SIMA, thank you 81 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: for your time today. 82 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 83 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 84 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.