1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:00,760 Speaker 1: Afternoon. 2 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 2: The government is continuing it's crusade to speed up building 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: in this country, now announcing that it plans to let 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: some builders only trusted builders sign off on their own 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: building work, rather than forcing them to wait for a 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: council inspection. Chris pink is the Minister full Building and Construction. 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: A Chris ca the Heather. 8 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: How do builders become trusted? 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: Well, there's a number of different criteria you can use, 10 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: and we're interested in scale. We're interested in reputational skin 11 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: in the game, and we're so interested in being able 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: to do that in a way that represents skills and 13 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: in frankly attract record. 14 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: So how many do you imagine would be trusted, would 15 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: be big enough to be trusted? 16 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Oh well, we haven't put a list together because we're 17 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: interested in the criteria that people will feel comfortable with, 18 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: But you know, can imagine sort of ten to fifteen 19 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: maybe are the really big players as a starting position. 20 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: You know, these are ones that have got enough financial 21 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: strength that if something were to go wrong, they can 22 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: be responsible for the outcome on that. We're not talking 23 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: about your one man band, your one person band, excuse me, 24 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: and a ute to you. You're not going to see 25 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: again when they change the sign writing or the name 26 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: of their company. 27 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. So basically, this is the good 28 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: thing about it is it takes the carrying the weight 29 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: of the risk if something goes wrong at the moment, 30 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: the council pays. But we're taking that away from the 31 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: council with these guys, and we're making the builders themselves 32 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: carry the. 33 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: Risk, right, Yeah, that's right. We think it's an exercise 34 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: and risk based consenting effectively, where the people doing the 35 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: worker are the ones who should be accountable, you know, financially, 36 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: and if you think about the pooral great payer at 37 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: the end of the chain, at the moment when things 38 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: go wrong, we think, actually it makes more sense to 39 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: put the incentive with the building professional or the whole 40 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: company to do the work and to be responsible for 41 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: it and their destinies in their own hands. And ultimately 42 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: that'll be better for the consumer. Of course, who's going 43 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: to pay for a product that doesn't have all the 44 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: inefficiencies associated with that risk averse system we've. 45 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: Got now, So obviously the problem will be paid for 46 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: by the insurance company. But what happens if the building company, 47 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: the trusted building company is under such a massive weight 48 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: of complaints it folds. Does insurance still pay? 49 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean would be a matter for between 50 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: the insurance company and the builder. But having said that, 51 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, we'll be really interested to see that there's 52 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: something robust in that way, and also that there's financial 53 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: strength associated with the building company. And look, the other 54 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: way you can do this other than insurance is some 55 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: sort of assurance more generally, and so guarantees and bonds 56 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: already exist in the market if you think about registered 57 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: master builders and certified builders. So some of those market 58 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: based solutions are actually going to get the incentives right 59 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: in a way that we don't currently. 60 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: All right, you're confident we're not going to have a 61 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: repeat of the old leaky buildings scandal. 62 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, really confident, because the point is that 63 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: you actually avoid that sohole false sense of security. We've 64 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: got at the moment where she'll be right because councible 65 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: will sign it off and it ghostally at least it's 66 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: the case. Sometimes people do some pretty poor work get 67 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: away with it, and we don't crack down on those 68 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: cowboys at the moment, by the way, because I think, well, 69 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: the council will sign off if it's all good, and 70 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: if not then they'll just you know, we'll book another 71 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: inspectrum and do it again later. So actually we're going 72 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: to make people responsible, which is what they want to do, 73 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: because the good ones will survive and the bad ones 74 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: will be you know, hounded out of the world where 75 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: they currently inhabit. 76 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: Chris, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Chris Pink, Minister 77 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: for Building and Construction. 78 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 79 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 80 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.