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Speaker 1: We've got a scam study. It's not a scam study,

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Speaker 1: it's a new study on scams suggests we're becoming increasingly

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Speaker 1: soft targets. Recent Crime and Victims Survey estimates five hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty one thousand of US experience fra aud of

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Speaker 1: deception last year. How does that work? Independent Research Solutions

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Speaker 1: director Jared Gilberts with US Jared Morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: You had a new job, but I'm still with the

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Speaker 2: University of Canterbury. But I've always had the company on

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Speaker 2: the side.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, fair enough, So why see, if you

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Speaker 1: do the numbers, five hundred and forty one thousand over

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Speaker 1: a ten year period, that's everyone in the country. I

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Speaker 1: find I find that hard to believe, if not impossible.

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Speaker 2: These numbers are astonishing and you can absolutely the numbers

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Speaker 2: that Crime and Victims Survey has got a rigorous methodology.

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Speaker 2: This is the most prominent crime in New Zealand. And

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Speaker 2: what's more, it's only going to get worse.

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Speaker 1: Are we thick?

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Speaker 2: We are slipping behind the eight ball? But here, Mike,

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Speaker 2: which is really concerning because a picture of this if

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Speaker 2: you were an international scammer, and they are almost universally offshore.

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Speaker 2: What you do, you don't care where that money comes from.

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Speaker 2: You're just looking for the softest target possible. So if

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's off New Zealand isn't putting things in place

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Speaker 2: to make this more difficult for them, then we will

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Speaker 2: become even a more significant target than we are now.

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Speaker 2: This is something that we really need to act on

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Speaker 2: an accurate urgency.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. I got a text yesterday that said, Hi, Mom,

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Speaker 1: I've got a new WhatsApp address, can you see me?

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Speaker 1: So I deleted So I did the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. But the problem is if those

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Speaker 2: links I got that too. By the way, those links

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Speaker 2: can be blocked very very quickly. Boy, check companies, right,

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Speaker 2: they can be blocked. But what we need at the moment,

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Speaker 2: there's no way. There's so many places to report these

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Speaker 2: and people say, well there's no wrong or to report them. Well,

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Speaker 2: that means there's no right door. So we need to

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Speaker 2: bring government agencies all together in the same room visically,

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Speaker 2: plus private enterpro so the tech companies and the banks

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Speaker 2: to ensure that we can get on top of this

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Speaker 2: as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's hope we do, because I'm sort of sick

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Speaker 1: of talking about it. Not to you, Jerry, because you're

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Speaker 1: a nice guy, but you know, how many years have

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