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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge, Part two of the COVID inquiry in a

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Speaker 1: cinema near you. This is the big Royal commission underway.

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Speaker 1: This phase of the inquiry looks at Lockdown's vaccine mandates,

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Speaker 1: all the really interesting stuff, terrible stuff, but interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: This morning I caught up with the inquiry chair, Grant Ellingworth.

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Speaker 1: He's CAC and I asked him on Herald Now whether

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Speaker 1: former Prime Minister Jacinda a Dune will speak to the

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Speaker 1: inquiry At any point you'll ask just Cinda a Dune

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Speaker 1: to come. We will ask a number of people to come,

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Speaker 1: including Cinda Aderne. Well, we haven't formulated the final list.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you put it on this she made all

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Speaker 1: the big calls. Well, there are issues in relation to

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Speaker 1: our powers when people are out of the country, for example. Ah,

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Speaker 1: so you've got to be in the country for the

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction to stick. If you're not, it doesn't. So Ian

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Speaker 1: Taylor's written, well, just a few open letters to the

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Speaker 1: Prime minister, former Prime minister in his time, and he's

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Speaker 1: with me this evening. Good evening, yeah, good, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with me. Do you think that just

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Speaker 1: just under a Deurn should get the call up take

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Speaker 1: the call up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it would be wonderful if she did.

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Speaker 2: I mean it would perhaps reinforce the concept that, you know,

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Speaker 2: everything she did was to be kind, to be part

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Speaker 2: of the team of five million, And this is the

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Speaker 2: time for the team of five million to come together

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Speaker 2: to figure out, you know, how we deal to this

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Speaker 2: better next time, what went wrong, and to answer some

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Speaker 2: of the really, really big questions that have never been addressed.

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Speaker 1: Do you think people want answers or do you think

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Speaker 1: people want apologies or scalps?

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, if I look at the feedback

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Speaker 2: that I'm seeing on my last open letter, I mean,

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Speaker 2: there are people screaming for scalps, screaming for my scalp,

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Speaker 2: screaming for hers. One of the things I think we

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Speaker 2: do far too much of is yell at each other

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Speaker 2: in New zeal And. You know, we've got to stop

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Speaker 2: that yelling. But somewhere along the line there is a

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Speaker 2: line to be drawn. And I am very comfortable with

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Speaker 2: what I wrote. It took me a long time to

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Speaker 2: do it. I thought very hard about it, but as

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Speaker 2: I watched the PR machinery kind of arrive in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand for the memoir, I could not forget the voices

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Speaker 2: of those who had called me while I was arguing

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Speaker 2: for different ways of doing this, and the families who

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Speaker 2: kid couldn't get home, my friend Mike Steadman who was

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Speaker 2: dying of cancer and couldn't get his gleen kids back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there were thousands of those stories and we

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Speaker 2: had offered a solution and it wasn't taken up.

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Speaker 1: In Taylor Animation Research Managing Director, appreciate your time. A

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Speaker 1: writer of many letters to our former Prime Minister who

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Speaker 1: will likely be invited whether she comes to the Royal Commission,

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Speaker 1: the COVID Commission of Inquiry, very different question. For more

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