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Speaker 1: So it's over for the news department of TV three.

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Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery can't take the bleeding any longer and

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Speaker 1: have pulled the pin. Meantime, at the State TV operation,

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Speaker 1: they confirmed the closure of the Sunday program, having chopped

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Speaker 1: a couple of news bulletins and fair go on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: So that's well over three hundred media players hitting the

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Speaker 1: job market. TV three journalist Patrick Gowes with this morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: What's your vibe of those who have lost their job,

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Speaker 1: both at your place and TV and Z. How many

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Speaker 1: do you reckon we'll stay in the media?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? I mean, even for myself, I've got no

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Speaker 2: bloody idea what I'll do next. But my hope is

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Speaker 2: that a hell of all of us can not everybody,

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Speaker 2: It's a simple mate. Not everybody can survive. But we've

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Speaker 2: got to be optimistic. We can't kind of give in.

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Speaker 2: And I could say for myself, I'm determined to get

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Speaker 2: back out there.

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Speaker 1: Okay. TV three has always been ropey around ownership and

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Speaker 1: revenue and ratings and success and stuff like that. How

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Speaker 1: many of you guys there saw this coming in some way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it was always a possibility when we

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Speaker 2: came in under the big company, but particularly Warner Brothers

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Speaker 2: Discovery when merged. You know, some sort of shutdown was

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Speaker 2: always possible. I've survived a couple myself in the last

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Speaker 2: fourteen years or we've been very very close, Mic, so

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Speaker 2: it was always on the cards. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: something there's been some rumors people who heard it was coming.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make it ease any easier when they actually

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Speaker 2: do it. And including yesterday, even though people knew that

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Speaker 2: was coming as well, we had six weeks notice of that,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make it any easier, Mike. I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that.

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Speaker 1: How much is the economy do you think? In other words,

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Speaker 1: if we hadn't buggered the economy, then a lot more

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Speaker 1: jobs would have survived. All of this.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely huge, Mike, and really overlooked. We often talk about

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Speaker 2: the big structural problems that are behind all of this,

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Speaker 2: but hey, let's face it, the economy has absolutely tanked.

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Speaker 2: Every single dollar virtually has dropped out of the advertising market.

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Speaker 2: People are really really struggling. It's the first thing that

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Speaker 2: goes and a business is struggling. Everybody knows that, and

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Speaker 2: that has just put insane pressure on all media companies

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Speaker 2: that actually it's it's in crucial This actual economic banking

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Speaker 2: has incrusible.

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Speaker 1: What's your the role of Melissa and the Broadcasting Minister

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Speaker 1: and the government in general. Are they in the business

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Speaker 1: of saving media or helping media?

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Speaker 2: It's got to be one part of their role. Look,

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Speaker 2: I actually haven't really seen anything that they've done. To

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Speaker 2: be honest, I haven't seen anything they've done. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, the media doesn't need to bailout, So

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Speaker 2: if anyone's talking about some sort of cash bailert, we

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Speaker 2: don't need that. The media does need to be able

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Speaker 2: to survive commercially. There are ways that we can do that. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to a successful radio host on a commercially

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Speaker 2: successful program right now. It can be done in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't look to the government rely on them to

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Speaker 2: sort of bail us out. But in terms of that,

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Speaker 2: there are massive structural problems out there that I just

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Speaker 2: don't think the government's got their head around. Paying these

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Speaker 2: Cordier fees. Television companies paying fees to another government organization

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Speaker 2: for something that we don't really need anymore. Is just

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Speaker 2: playing nats. It is crazy. That is literally jobs going

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Speaker 2: out the door every time they pay those fees. But

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Speaker 2: the government doesn't seem to want to do it. And

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Speaker 2: I say that it's not a SISC government, it's the

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Speaker 2: last one as well. Mate. They've actually been pretty useless.

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Speaker 1: What happens to a show like yours, for example, that

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Speaker 1: I think had New Zealand on are funding? Correct me?

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Speaker 1: If I'm wrong? That's still available? Don't you get to

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Speaker 1: turn up somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Patty Gower has issues The show that I did last

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Speaker 2: year didn't have New Zealand on their funding. That's gone

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Speaker 2: at the stage.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got New Zealand on a funding, our

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Speaker 1: Television three in the business of still showing those sort

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Speaker 1: of programs, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If I can get them Full of safor instance by

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Speaker 2: Patrick Nower on Documentaries, which is slightly different from my

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Speaker 2: show last year. Yes, that is the way that you

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Speaker 2: can get a show on TV three. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: the art of you. They want fully fund, they want

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Speaker 2: fully fund shows. That's the way to get still how

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Speaker 2: to get back on there. But there's got to be

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Speaker 2: other ways to do television programs than that. Might We've

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Speaker 2: got to find commercially successful ways of doing this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Stuff stuff where they where things get paidalled by advertising

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Speaker 2: the game. We've got to find a way back to that.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to the people who text this program,

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Speaker 1: and there is a lot of them. You go woke,

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Speaker 1: you go broke. They bribed you with their fifty five

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Speaker 1: million dollars. You're sucked up to the labor government. You

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Speaker 1: deserve everything you get.

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Speaker 2: Well, I tell them pretty much listening, get stuffed and

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Speaker 2: actually go away, and to use the term they use

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Speaker 2: through your own research. Yes, there was some money flipped

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Speaker 2: around by the government. I think most people would agree

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Speaker 2: now that that had a branding problem for all of us.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to sit here and listen to sort of people like

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Speaker 2: that say that kind of thing for our slaved. My

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Speaker 2: bloody gaps out alongside of my colleagues twenty five years

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Speaker 2: in my case, putting damn good news out there. So

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Speaker 2: while we've got a trust problem, we need to address

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Speaker 2: it and explain things that we're doing properly. When it

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Speaker 2: comes to the sort of Facebook keyboard warriors, I ain't

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Speaker 2: got no time for the mic about the two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty people who've lost a job yesterday and actually

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Speaker 2: the millions of other key weeks that I know that

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Speaker 2: trust me and trust my colleagues, all right.

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