1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Kielda. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. If you're 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: old enough then you'll remember there was a time when 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: every key we household had to pick a week day 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: where they wouldn't drive. Carlos Days were introduced in nineteen 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: seventy nine as an attempt to reduce petrol consumption amid 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: a global oil shock thanks to the Iranian Revolution. The 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: scheme was short lived. It was scrapped in nineteen eighty 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: after it achieved only a minimal reduction in petrol use. 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: So why are we hearing about it again now if 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: it failed so miserably and are there alternatives that we 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: should be looking at closer Today? On the Front Page, 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: transport commentator and Greater Auckland director Matt Lowry is with 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: us to break down the idea and maybe what others 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: there are as petrol prices continue to rise. First off, Matt, 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: tell me what you know about carless days. 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of kind of stays comes from the 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: late seventies, when the last time there was an issue 20 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: you have more in a round and it relates to 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: earlier that you have a pass or when you can 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: drive your car and you can only drive your car 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: on certain days of the week, so you know, you 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: might only better travel on a Monday and a Wednesday 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: and a Friday instead of Tuesday and Thursday. 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: And the idea is to encourage a reduction and oil use. 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: And so did it work. 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: Not really a significant number of people that would get 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: exemptions for it. And that was back in a time 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: when most households in New Zealand still only had one car. 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: That's quite different now and many households have two or 32 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: even more cars in them, and so if could quite 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: be a scenario where you know, even with a carle 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: Stays implemented that people have different days and they're still 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: able to travel around and use those additional cars to 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: continue traveling is normally I think the goal, the goal overall. 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: Is to reduce usage, but we need to so. 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: We need to think about other ways that we can 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: we can reduce pigal use so that or fuel use 40 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: so that we can make what with what stops we've 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: got lasts longer. 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean whenever the government tries to implementment 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: something like this, there are always people looking for those loopholes, right, 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, those two car households probably got away 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: with a lot. 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: But I suppose in terms of if we would implement 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: it now the I understand that there was a bit 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: of forgery going on, so you had a ticket in 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: your car or something saying yeah, I can drive this 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: car every day except Wednesday, for example. 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: But nowadays, with technology. 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: It would be that portion at least would be a 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: bit easier to try. 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: Okay, well you think. 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: So, but that we require significant enforcement, and yeah, there's 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: there's plenty of other things that we need police or 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: other agencies doing that is not enforcing when you when 58 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: and where you can drive, you know, without rolling out 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: significant technology to automate that. 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: And again that significant COSSM would take a long time. 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 4: It wouldn't. That's not a short term solution. 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: So it doesn't sound to me like something that is 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: going to be a quick win for reducing fuel use. 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: And yeah, maybe if we were thinking longer about it, 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: we might be able to do something, but I don't 66 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: think it's certainly nothing that's going to be in place 67 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: for in the next few months or weeks or months. 68 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Right, So when the government says they're looking into it, 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: they're like, well, yeah, we're looking into it, but it's 70 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: probably not going to happen. Hey, what else do you 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: reckon they should be looking into right now? 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are a couple of other things 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: that would be practical for a short term solution, you know, 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: and we saw with COVID that if there's a sort 75 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: of rallying together and we can work together type scenario, 76 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: people will accept it. But things that could reduce for 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: your use might be things like reducing speed limits on 78 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: our state highways, you know, reducing it from one hundred 79 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: down to eighty klometers and now we'll make travel to 80 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: take a little bit longer, not too much, but that 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: does reduce fuel use. Particularly after eighty kilometers, vehicles start 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: to be more air resistance and burning more fuel to 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: travel the same distance. So that could be a way 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: to reduce take a few percent twints off the level 85 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: of fuel use, and that might help extend extend things 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: we do need to be encouraging more walking and cycling, 87 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: more public transport in our studies where that's possible. Those 88 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: are the things that you know, we can encourage people 89 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: to change how they travel. We should be looking at 90 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: for businesses that can encouraging more work from home. Again, 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: you know a lot of businesses that have shift that 92 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: started to shift back to mortar being in the office 93 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: a lot more still not necessarily what it was proprior 94 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 3: to COVID, but the technology exists that the a lot 95 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: of people are still doing it quite significantly and I 96 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: am today you know we're working from home. Maybe maybe 97 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: an extra day working from home median might be a 98 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: way to reduce fuel use for people traveling and if 99 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: you're not public transport, walking and slight things are great options. 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: You know, we could support that with more things like 101 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: pop up bike lands in some places, many of our 102 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: cities Auckland will into approaches have been expanding there. There 103 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: there's slightly networks and we could we could encourage that 104 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: further other things also is a lot of there's a 105 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: lot of freight that could potentially. 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: Move to the round network that we could encourage. That 107 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: might require more funding for key. 108 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 3: Are hole to get more staff and pay more staff 109 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: throughout those times to operate those trains and process all that. 110 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: But that could be an option for getting more for 111 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: it because rail threat is more efficient in terms of 112 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: your use than trucking things around the country. That's not 113 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: practical everywhere, but you know, those are sorts of things 114 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 3: that we could we could do. 115 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: And I guess the other thing is how can we 116 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: encourage rapidly more electric vehicles. There's to be a bit hard. 117 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: The world's going to be crying out for those as 118 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: much as possible at the moment, so it's gonna be 119 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: hard to get stocked in, I guess. But more electric vehicles, 120 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: whether it be cars, electric bytes, you know, those literal trucks, 121 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: all those sort of things, to get ol vehicle fully 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: off fossil fuels, because there is really what's going to 123 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: be you know, that's what's going to hold the economy 124 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: to ransom as these fuel prices. 125 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are definitely some kind of short term 126 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: fixes I suppose, like you said, and then those longer 127 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: term like getting everyone over to evs. Petrels now topping 128 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: what three dollars a leter that's over twice the real 129 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine peak adjusted for inflation, when they introduce 130 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: the carless days. In terms of getting people onto public transports, 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: say if the government tomorrow was like right to encourage 132 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: people to get onto. 133 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: The bus to go to work as opposed to driving 134 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: and using fuel. We're going to make public transport costs free. 135 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: Do you reckon our network can even hold that many 136 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: consumers at once. 137 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: Well, we're currently in the busiest time of the year 138 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: with March madness, where most of the public transport networks 139 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: are used the most. We're still seeing overall public transport 140 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: use less than it was prior to COVID. So those 141 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: networks have grown since then and have become better. 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: And so. 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: There is a lot of capacity within the network to 144 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: carry more, and there is more that could be done. 145 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: For example, we could extend it would. 146 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: Require were again more funding to operate those buses and 147 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: trains and all the rest of it, but we could 148 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: extend the length of the peak hours peak time so 149 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: that people might have to travel slightly later or slightly earlier, 150 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: slightly later, but like people do for a cry and 151 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: avoid congestion. There's a lot of capacity, particularly in the 152 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: off peak, and we could also extend those peak hours 153 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 3: into that a lot more. 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: So there is significant capacity there. 155 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: As sure, it's not going to be able to take everyone, 156 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: and it's not going to be the only solution that's available, 157 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: but it could certainly we could certainly do a lot 158 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: more with the public transport capacity we've got. Typically after 159 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: Easter public transport use and v or used here to 160 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: drop off a little bit, So that will help easy 161 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: bit of pressure that we can if we can continue 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: sort of the March levels of public transport youth throughout 163 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: later into the year, that we're taken against. 164 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: The pressure off off the roads and off fuel use. 165 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 4: The only day my daughter doesn't go to kindergarten, sweetly 166 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 4: success post. If we don't have the car, if we 167 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: don't know. 168 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: Whose car on Tuesday, how will you get to work with? 169 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: Oh, well, my husband can catch the bus. 170 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: The human way to select the car stard is to 171 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: select the day that causes one the least inconvenience. Surely, 172 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: if they choose the day on which they use the 173 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: car least, then carless days must be the least effective. 174 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: We're of reducing federal consumption. 175 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Along with Carl stays, I suppose as a big headline 176 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: the government's looking into it, but it probably won't won't 177 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: go ahead, but it is one of those eye catching 178 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: kind of things that we all go, oh, what if 179 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: this happened in terms of rationing petrol in the past, 180 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: How has that happened. 181 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea is that you might you might have 182 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: a certain budget that you're able to use of fuel, 183 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: so everyone has a has where account effectively of you're 184 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: allowed that this mere leaders of fuel and you could 185 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: obviously trade that or use it or buy it more 186 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: from other people. That would work in some situations. Again, 187 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: as how you'd set that scheme ut protecting rapidly to 188 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: be able to implement that, and how you would monitor 189 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: it and put that monitoring and enforcement in place, and 190 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: that is always going to be the challenges. 191 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 4: Anything that's going to require significant. 192 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 3: Change like that that's apart from what we used to 193 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: is going to take some time to set up and establish, 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 3: which is why some of those other options like the 195 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: public transfer walking asidely, like you know, just encouraging work 196 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: from home are things that we can do now and 197 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 3: we can we can get some success from because. 198 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 4: You know, we could we could be starting that right 199 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: now and help reduce our. 200 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: Fuel usage for the next month or two before. 201 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 4: Things get worse. 202 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are all things that I guess doesn't 203 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: mean that there will be like a wild West. I 204 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: can I can imagine a scenario where we do ration 205 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: petrol or something, and there's like guys on street corners 206 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: with little you know, jerry cans full of full of 207 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: petrol selling them for double or something. 208 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 4: That's right. 209 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: So the goal of is to try and use more 210 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: of the things that we know we can do rather 211 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: than trying to something new, I think, because that's where 212 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: we're going to have trouble when we have when we're 213 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: trying to implement something new, anything we're trying to say 214 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: you have to try and restrict or you're very restrictive, 215 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: people will try and find ways around. We better define 216 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: solutions that people can actually vibely take. And yeah, those 217 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: are the things. Some of those we have now I 218 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: guess we need more of them. And but those are 219 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: the things that work. 220 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: What about do you reckon if the government was given 221 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: the opportunity to open up the CRL a bit earlier, 222 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: for example, would that help it? 223 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: What in sense that it provides more incentive to youth 224 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 3: public transport, so you know there is it provides new 225 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 3: two use stations in the city center. It makes it 226 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: easier to travel and particularly from the Western line, so 227 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: that would encourage more people to use the train. So 228 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: if we could open that up earlier, that would be fantastic. 229 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: There are other pecks, There are other considerations that are 230 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: affecting that, like testing and making sure those are all 231 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: working and that the neboos operating properly, and how that 232 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: directs with the freight trains and what have you. So 233 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: if we can get that open sooner, the sooner we can. 234 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: Do that, they're better really from my point of view. 235 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: When it comes to longer term fixes. You mentioned electric vehicles. 236 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: They currently make up about what fifteen percent of new 237 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: sales now or they're about say, they're up to about. 238 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: Fifteen percent of sales prior to when the government removed 239 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: the clean can't discampt that in twenty twenty three they've 240 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: dropped off now. 241 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 4: To more like four percent. Ounds so it had picked 242 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: up from about. 243 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: Four percent to about fifteen percent with their clean cut 244 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: discounts now back to about four percent. 245 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: Quick numbers. 246 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: It would suggest that had that discount continued at that 247 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: rate would continue, we'ld have about a thirty thousand more 248 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: electric vehicles on our roads now, possibly more because it 249 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: probably would have continued to grow. That would be thirty 250 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: thousand households that no longer are stressing about what the 251 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 3: price of petrol is that's a small number in the 252 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: grand scheme of how many vehicles we have on our roads, 253 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: but every bit will help and helping me, helping people 254 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: get around and helping the economy continue being less affected 255 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: and so encouraging Moving back to encouraging more people to 256 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: buy an EV, whether that be through some sort of 257 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: rebate scheme that or have you, there's something that the 258 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: government should definitely be considering long term. Other countries that 259 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: have done that in Norway, for example, I think are 260 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: up to like ninety percent of sales evs now from 261 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: from those sort of roommates and what have you. 262 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: So those are the sort of things we should be 263 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: doing long term. 264 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: But there's going to be a challenge, particularly in the 265 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: short term, because there's going to be a lot of 266 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: demand to while those guys is not going to be 267 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: a lot of stock in the country, and it's going 268 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: to be hard. I'm getting from from vehicle important, it's 269 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: gonna be hard to get their stock them because every 270 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: other country is going to want to be clamoring for 271 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: these now as much as possible. 272 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: Why did the government get rid of the clean car discount? 273 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: Essentially they thought it was a cultural Actually they didn't. 274 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: They didn't want to be encouraging electory vehicles as much. 275 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: Right, so, like the whole greenies are going to be 276 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,479 Speaker 1: getting this discount. You know, it's all about climate change, except. 277 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: We opposed that, so will rumor of it, and so 278 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: it is essentially that the guests of it, so that. 279 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 4: They need to get over there. 280 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 3: Same with things like speed limits, that will be a 281 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: challenging thing for them to want to do because they're 282 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: trying to increase speed limits. That these are the sort 283 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: of things that could that could be done that could 284 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: both long term and short term help reduce usage. You know, 285 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that they have to stay away foreman, 286 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: but those are the things we could do to reduce 287 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: that youth and get more out of the fuel that 288 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: we've got. 289 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Matt. 290 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: That's right. 291 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 292 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 293 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: at enzidherld dot co dot enz The Front Page is 294 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: hosted and produced by me Chelsea Daniels. 295 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: Caine. 296 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Dickie is our studio operator, Richard Martin, our producer and editor, 297 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: and our executive producer is Jane Ye, follow the front 298 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: page on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts, 299 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: and join us next time for another look beyond the headlines.