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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather duplicy elan Drive with one New

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: we're going to speak to a man who met the

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Speaker 2: Pope multiple times. We'll also explain the twist and the

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Speaker 2: Beckonridge case. This is the one of the father and

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Speaker 2: the son who went off the cliff, but are they

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Speaker 2: really dead? And Whinston Peter's on why he wants to

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Speaker 2: define a woman in New Zealand law on the back

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicylo, Right, So the Pope.

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Speaker 2: First of all, can I just say to all Catholics

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Speaker 2: condolences obviously over the passing of the Pope. It's a

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Speaker 2: He seemed a little bit more fun than his predeceasors didn't.

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Speaker 2: He loved football, he loved saying things that got him

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Speaker 2: But if I'm honest with myself, setting that all to

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Speaker 2: but he actually didn't do anything did He didn't change

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Speaker 2: He didn't change anything about the way that the Catholic

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Speaker 2: in the Catholic Church. Now, obviously a generous explanation of

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Speaker 2: this is that he tried but couldn't because the Catholic

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Speaker 2: And so he did what he could. He what he

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Speaker 2: myself as well about that. That was performative, and he

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Speaker 2: December twenty twenty six. But do we still expect that

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Speaker 4: It's not about the land. Actually, you have to understand

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Speaker 4: that it's not the land that Russia wants. Russia wants

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Speaker 4: Then the war can end in twenty four hours. Russians

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. That's actually the strengths of Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: We need to force Russia to stop this war, and

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Speaker 4: Look at the Chinese actually now currently finding Ukrainians. How

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Speaker 2: The problem is appreciate to the quiet here, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: Well, it takes actually more. So a lot has been done.

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Speaker 4: We were certainly thankful to all the countries who have

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Speaker 2: Be honest with me, have we not missed that moment now.

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Speaker 2: Is are we not looking at a situation right now

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Speaker 4: Here we are now at the very important juncture, and

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Speaker 4: I think it will all depend on the leadership of

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Speaker 4: because it's much more about Ukraine. It's about the liberal

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Speaker 4: And I hope that and that's the reason why Australia

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Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to have to leave it there. Really

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Speaker 9: You didn't have to pause, just post faked it until

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Pusha dubbeddub, pusha dub dub. Yeah that sounds about no,

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Speaker 9: Up, P dub dub. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Well, she

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Speaker 9: Name like that. That that's fine, that's all right, you

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Speaker 9: Look, she's got to get picked. Sure she will the.

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Speaker 9: The Premier's played is okay.

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Speaker 8: What is that?

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Speaker 2: So are you telling me in their debut season, debut season,

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Speaker 2: Just give up, right, I mean, if you come in

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Speaker 9: Your old school spaces.

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Speaker 2: Not Defender first level, Mate, not even the first level

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Speaker 2: Sonic the Hedgehog. Try it.

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Speaker 10: It's a wonderful time to be an Auckland football fan.

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Speaker 9: You're going, but there's another year, don't worry.

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Speaker 9: We're getting the band.

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Speaker 2: How off you go? Darkin Watergrave Sports Store Coast it's

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw, it's

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Speaker 2: That'd be welcome back here. Unfortunately, the recent pope is

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Speaker 2: You don't come rolling with two or three different identities

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Speaker 1: Up, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 3: That'd besu.

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Speaker 9: Hey.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't taken New Zealand first long to react to

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Speaker 2: After half passed. It's twenty three away from five.

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive so.

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Speaker 2: Thousands of mourners have prayed a rosary and some Peter

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Speaker 2: He died of a stroke over night. Jesuit priest James

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Speaker 5: Pope Francis was the first pope to use the word

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Speaker 12: This is what the media does.

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Speaker 13: They take Nano's sources from disgruntled former employees and then

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Speaker 3: To slash and burn people.

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Speaker 2: They ruin their reputations, not going to work with me,

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Speaker 2: okay guy. And finally, scientists in West Africa have discovered

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Speaker 2: that wild chimps will occasionally throw boozy brunches, just like

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Speaker 8: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and insurance peace of mind for

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Speaker 2: Murray Olds is the US out of Australia hammers afternoon

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Speaker 2: to your heather. So how is Australia reacting to this news?

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Speaker 7: She said, the fact that he shunned any flash car

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Speaker 7: Political leaders suspended campaigning today. Heather the first day for

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Speaker 7: he's been very unwell. But you saw him in Saint

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Speaker 7: the death of princes, and he was certainly a prince

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Speaker 7: of the church, no doubt about him.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough. Hey, so Duston is losing ground with women, a.

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Speaker 7: Big time, big time. I mean, in fact, you'd have

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Speaker 7: to say, and you know, you know my politics. I'm

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Speaker 7: a labor guy and I'm not just bagging Dutton, but

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Speaker 7: boy boy, And this is a news poll, right, It's

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Speaker 7: conducted by the Murdock Organization, and the latest poll has

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Speaker 7: found women voters have dropped the opposition like hot spuds.

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Speaker 7: Female voters have swung in the last three weeks five

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Speaker 7: points to Labor two party preferred. The Coalitions lost ground

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Speaker 7: and key battlegrounds in western Sydney and western Melbourne, some

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Speaker 7: very important electorates there. The mortgage bell was swinging back

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Speaker 7: to Labour according to newspoll by age listening to this

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Speaker 7: thirty five to forty nine, fifty six percent to forty

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Speaker 7: four in favor of Labor, and younger voters two to one.

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Speaker 7: Even more that these are voters from thirty four down

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Speaker 7: to eighteen. And of course many of these, Heather, as

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Speaker 7: you know, are first time voters, very sharply moving towards Labor.

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Speaker 7: The Greens out polling a coalition and second spot with

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Speaker 7: the young voters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's not really a surprise, as the young

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Speaker 2: people love the Greens. Hey, what's the story with the

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Speaker 2: Sydney woman who is killing Wow?

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Speaker 7: This is like something you see in a movie, but

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Speaker 7: it's not its real life. Her name was Kim Tran,

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Speaker 7: kidnapped and murdered then set on fire in the back

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Speaker 7: of a stolen car late last Saturday night. Now Poliso,

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Speaker 7: the forty five year old was killed because of her

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Speaker 7: husband's activities with a criminal organization thought to be based

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Speaker 7: in Victoria. Her husband was up in Queensland on business

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Speaker 7: and the night that his wife was abducted and murdered.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, these rat backs bashed a bat

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Speaker 7: over the head of his eight year year old son.

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Speaker 7: Something will never be the same again. He's in hospital

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Speaker 7: and induced coma. So they say that she was murdered

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Speaker 7: because of the husband's involvement with they think an Asian

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Speaker 7: crime gang. And December last year, I've forgotten about this

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Speaker 7: until I heard it on the news at midday. The

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Speaker 7: bodies of an Asian couple, husband and wife were found

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Speaker 7: wrapped in plastic and dumped in a waterway just out

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Speaker 7: near the back of the airport in Sydney and they

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Speaker 7: owed drug money. So it's extra I means as police

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Speaker 7: say that this crime is just off, this off the scale.

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Speaker 7: They haven't seen stuff like this for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Mars, thanks for that. Look after yourself. That's Murray Old's

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Speaker 2: are Australia correspondent eighteen away from five. Do you want

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Speaker 2: to hear something weird? This is I reckon, this is

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Speaker 2: off the chants weird. Listen to this acad It was

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Speaker 2: carjacking in Queensland. And so the reporters turn up at

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Speaker 2: the scene with their cameras and their notepads and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and they're trying to find eyewitnesses to this carjacking and

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Speaker 2: they come across a couple of witnesses. But the weird

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Speaker 2: thing about the witnesses is that twin. Okay, that's not weird.

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Speaker 2: Twins are not weird. Sometimes they are, and in this

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Speaker 2: case they are. These twins are fifty one years old

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Speaker 2: and they still dress exactly the same as each other.

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Speaker 2: They have exactly the same hairstyles, they wear exactly the

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Speaker 2: same jewelry. But here's a bit that's even weirder than everything. Else.

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Speaker 2: Channel seven interviewed them. They speak in unison. Have a listen.

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Speaker 14: He was up there with our mom and he went

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Speaker 14: up there and he was coming back down towards this

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Speaker 14: and he goes, run, he's got a gun, and oh,

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Speaker 14: our hearts started a pound and I said, oh mom,

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Speaker 14: where's mom?

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Speaker 15: And Paul Mama's stuck up there by apparently our brave mom.

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Speaker 15: She goes, are you all right?

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Speaker 16: Because he had all blood.

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Speaker 15: His face, and he goes, I'll shoot you.

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Speaker 2: She goes, hey, I'm here to hell. How creepy is that?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is that not? Does that not just belong in a

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Speaker 2: horror movie somewhere where two people to exactly the same

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Speaker 2: sentences with each other. Oh, I'll tell you what if

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Speaker 2: you thought that was weird, go and look at the video,

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Speaker 2: you're going to have nightmares. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editors with the say Thomas, now, okay,

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Speaker 2: so why does Winston wanted to find define what a

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Speaker 2: man and a woman is in law?

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Speaker 17: Well, he's been on this issue for quite some time now.

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Speaker 17: I think it's been been raced at the top of

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Speaker 17: the agenda again after that UK Supreme Court ruling last

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Speaker 17: week which which redefined in British law the term woman

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Speaker 17: as basically being an adult a biological female. So he's

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Speaker 17: Winston's always been been quite hot on the sort of

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Speaker 17: transgender issues. He was in favor of a bit of

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Speaker 17: a crackdown on transgender people in Sport and today, of course,

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Speaker 17: I'm probably in light of that Supreme Court ruling. He well,

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Speaker 17: his party has put up this members bill which will

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Speaker 17: redefine a woman in New Zealand law as an adult

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Speaker 17: human biological female. And and it's in the name of

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Speaker 17: Jimmy Marcroft. So I mean, the New Zealand verst is

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Speaker 17: doing a lot of these members bills. The chance of

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Speaker 17: it being drawn from the ballot is small, but yeah,

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Speaker 17: it could. It could be quite It could be quite

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Speaker 17: bigg if it were drawn or I'm not sure it

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Speaker 17: would pass. Why not, it would be what would be

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Speaker 17: one of the interesting things to be whether it be

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Speaker 17: a conscience vote. It's it's some of these issues do

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Speaker 17: go down to a conscience vote. If if that were

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Speaker 17: the case, it would be quite interesting. If not, however,

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Speaker 17: I do wonder where the nets would go. Then I

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Speaker 17: think the parties of the left would obviously be voting down,

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Speaker 17: voting it down. And if it were a national, if

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Speaker 17: it were a national, if it were a conscience vote,

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Speaker 17: then you might see some of the nets join them

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Speaker 17: when you think about the way that the gender self

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Speaker 17: id law with.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Thomas, this is why they've gone for a

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Speaker 2: member's bill and not a government bill because they cannot

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Speaker 2: be sure that they've got their own coalition party.

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Speaker 11: Support right sisely.

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Speaker 17: And I don't think, you know, if if you want

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Speaker 17: a government bill, you have to get it through cabinet,

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Speaker 17: and I don't I don't think. I don't think they

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Speaker 17: would have they would have been able to get the

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Speaker 17: whole National Party.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so this is how they're going to differentiate

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Speaker 2: themselves come come next year an election time. Are they

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Speaker 2: going to say we stood up for the stuff and

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Speaker 2: the rest of the coalition didn't.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, precisely. And I think this is the third the

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Speaker 17: third of quite I suppose, you know, like headline grabbing

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Speaker 17: our member's bill. Of recent times, they had the anti

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Speaker 17: Dee I won a few months ago, and then and

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Speaker 17: then before that or around the same time as that,

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Speaker 17: they had the one about woke banking, which was a

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Speaker 17: crackdown on banks and that sort of stuff. So they

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Speaker 17: usually met these members bills to to kind of differentiate

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Speaker 17: themselves from the other two parties, and they're getting somewhere

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Speaker 17: with it. The banking Bill was a major talking point

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Speaker 17: at their Finance and Expenditure so that committee and the

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Speaker 17: Bank chief consecutives with here, so they are working for them.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So what what is Luxe going to

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Speaker 2: talk with when he talk about when he meets with

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Speaker 2: Kerstarma later today.

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Speaker 17: He's been the British Prime minister overnight our time. The

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Speaker 17: I think that the big the big thing. Two things

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Speaker 17: on the agenda are the government's big trade agenda. There's

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Speaker 17: a big push to make sure that New Zealand and

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Speaker 17: the UK are harnessing those trade links. We've obviously got

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Speaker 17: that that trade agreement with the with the EU with

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Speaker 17: a part of me with the UK gosh prebix A

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Speaker 17: Times which which is one of our best trade agreements.

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Speaker 17: So so he's he's going to talk about that and

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Speaker 17: try to try to build those trade links and obviously

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Speaker 17: the Ukraine support. I think our total support to Ukraine

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Speaker 17: now is over one hundred and fifty two New Zealand

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Speaker 17: million million New Zealand dollars. Sorry, and one of the

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Speaker 17: big things that we do in the UK with in

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Speaker 17: regard to Ukraine, as we're training Ukrainian troops that we've

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Speaker 17: trained nearly fifty thousand troops as part of the mission

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Speaker 17: in Ukraine. So that's that's big on the agenda too,

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Speaker 17: because obviously that's on their doorsteps.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a weird one for you. Why has

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkins been meeting with this gaming developer? What's going

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Speaker 2: on there?

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Speaker 17: It's an interesting one. And in Later's last budget they

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Speaker 17: announced these subsidies for gaming companies, much like the film subsidies.

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Speaker 17: They have been quite successful. It means the gaming companies

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Speaker 17: day in New Zealand. So that's a good thing, but

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Speaker 17: obviously it comes as a messive cost to the crown

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Speaker 17: in terms of the subsidy that's paid out, much like

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Speaker 17: the film subsidy. So it's a controversial topic. It comes

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Speaker 17: from the Texas we pay and it goes to companies

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Speaker 17: that are that are doing pretty well. But the gaming

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Speaker 17: companies say, and they're telling the truth that if these

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Speaker 17: subsidies didn't exist at all, that all upsticks and move

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Speaker 17: to Australia. So that's a real catch twenty two. If

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Speaker 17: we want them here, we have to pay, but can

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Speaker 17: we afford it? Well the numbers would say that it's

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Speaker 17: a bit of a struggle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, Thomas, Hey, thanks very much mate, you

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Speaker 2: really appreciate It's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. I've

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Speaker 2: got to just send an update for you. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know what I've been missing in my life as

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Speaker 2: a just cinder update. Well, here I've got one for you.

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Speaker 2: Guess who's doing the speech for Yale's graduation ceremony this year?

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Speaker 2: That's right, how very own you, Cindre yay, yay. What's

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Speaker 2: she going to say to them? What is Justina going

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Speaker 2: to say? What is she going to say to a

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Speaker 2: room full of Yale graduates? I mean think it's some

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Speaker 2: of the smartest people of the world. What's she going

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Speaker 2: to say to them? They can Is she going to

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Speaker 2: say that? What was she going to get? What is

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Speaker 2: it going to hug every single one of them as

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Speaker 2: she walked past? Give them meat your teddy bear. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Obviously, I'm cynical about it, but that's because

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Speaker 2: I live in New Zealand, and I actually got to

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Speaker 2: know Jacinda, and you know, when you scratch below this

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Speaker 2: said blah blah blah whatever. But but just goes to

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Speaker 2: show Jacinda is way bigger globally than we know or

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Speaker 2: want to admit. And there's some more evidence of it.

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Speaker 2: Eight away from five, digging.

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Speaker 3: Into the issues that affect you, the mic asking.

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Speaker 18: Break for Chrystopher luxembers, Well, it's the reserve being the

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Speaker 18: twenty five percent cut that Nicholas managed at twenty five percent.

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Speaker 3: That reeks to me of waste.

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Speaker 18: If you can slice somebody by twenty five percent and

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Speaker 18: they're still operating, somebody was rolling around in money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look out of.

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Speaker 13: View and opposition was there was a lot of money

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Speaker 13: being piled into the reserve back and we also felt

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Speaker 13: that they had a very confused mandate. One of the

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Speaker 13: things we did in the first couple of weeks was

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Speaker 13: to say, you are one hundred percent focused on lowering inflation.

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Speaker 18: That is your job, and I think they're help Given

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Speaker 18: there were three recessions, can we call them in confident

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Speaker 18: or can you not lay that out?

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Speaker 3: The indoor step?

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Speaker 18: In other words, how do you know you're getting value?

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Speaker 3: For money.

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Speaker 8: Well, what we can control is what we can control.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the Rain drove of the LAHN News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said, B, get a load of this, hey, sign of

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Speaker 2: the times, A Sign of the Times number one. You

658
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Speaker 2: need to define in legislation what a woman is, so

659
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Speaker 2: you know the age that we live in. But also

660
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Speaker 2: half of us apparently feel overrun by our phone notifications.

661
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Speaker 2: There is a study in which they've gone and chatted

662
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Speaker 2: to adults and adults are like, haven't overrun by my

663
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Speaker 2: phone notifications? Okay, boomer, do you need me to talk

664
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Speaker 2: your hat through how to turn the phone notifications off

665
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Speaker 2: so you don't feel overwhelmed by it? Anyway? Never mind,

666
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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to a neuroscientist about that in

667
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Speaker 2: about twenty minutes and probably just discuss how stupid we

668
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Speaker 2: are if we can't figure that out. Hither. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: this is not to Heather, this is to my boss.

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Speaker 2: Dear boss of news Talk, said B. I'm assuming it

671
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Speaker 2: starts like that. It's very badly judged of Heather Doublasy

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Speaker 2: Allen to make such derogatory comments about Pope Francis at

673
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Speaker 2: this time he hasn't even been dead twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Show a bit of decency, respect, she owes the Catholics

675
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Speaker 2: of New Zealand and apology. No, I do not settle down.

676
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Speaker 2: The Catholics are stoked for him because he's gone to

677
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Speaker 2: meet his Maker. Isn't that what we all want if

678
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Speaker 2: we're Christians, were wanting to die and go to heaven.

679
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Speaker 2: So this is not a sad day for Pope Francis.

680
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Speaker 2: The dude has been doing God's work on earth for

681
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Speaker 2: the last what twelve years, He's tired, he's old, he

682
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: was washing feet right up to the last minute, and

683
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Speaker 2: he's diet. Is probably stoked. He's gone to heaven. So

684
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Speaker 2: it's not a sad day at all. And get the story.

685
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Speaker 2: Let's be consistent in our story here, right. We're either

686
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Speaker 2: believing in heaven and we're all happy about it, or

687
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Speaker 2: we're sad because of the end of his life. And

688
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Speaker 2: then I owe you an apology. Texter, I do not

689
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Speaker 2: believe all Catholics believe this now on the subject of

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Speaker 2: the Pope, and we are going to speak to Sir

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Speaker 2: David Moxon alfter five o'clock about this. He was the

692
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Speaker 2: Anglican ambassador to the Holy See, some pretty weird old

693
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Speaker 2: ceremonies are going to be carried out in the next

694
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Speaker 2: wee while. And we don't like, it's not that long

695
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Speaker 2: ago since we did this, right, we did this twelve

696
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Speaker 2: years ago. So we know about the black smoke, we

697
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Speaker 2: know about the white smoke. We know all about all

698
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Speaker 2: the cardinals getting in the room together and you know,

699
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Speaker 2: doing the little bits of paper with the three and

700
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Speaker 2: all the weird things that they do. But did you know,

701
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Speaker 2: I didn't know this that he has a ring, and

702
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Speaker 2: now that he's dead, they're going to pluck it off

703
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Speaker 2: his finger and they're going to destroy it. Now, it's

704
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Speaker 2: not clear how they destroy it, whether they actually get

705
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Speaker 2: a hammer and splash the thing to bits, or whether

706
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Speaker 2: they just defaate like like to a big scratch and

707
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Speaker 2: deface it. They're going to do something to it. It's

708
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Speaker 2: called the Ring of the Fishermen, and each pope gets one.

709
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Speaker 2: It's a little signet ring, and they used to you know,

710
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Speaker 2: obviously you know, see all the wax and the documents

711
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: and stuff back in the olden days with it. Nowadays

712
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Speaker 2: it's just a print in little ring. But back in

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Speaker 2: the old days they used to destroy it to physically

714
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Speaker 2: prevent forgeries. You don't need to do that anymore. Obviously,

715
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Speaker 2: it's largely symbolic, but that's what they're going to do

716
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Speaker 2: to it, amongst many other weird, little little traditions that

717
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Speaker 2: they will be doing in the next few days. So anyway,

718
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Speaker 2: there we go, talk about a little bit more shortly

719
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Speaker 2: news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 19: Saying, people, is a little good nest it So then

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Speaker 19: made bed Tim and mill hily.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the smiths to find the real story. Goory,

724
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Speaker 1: It's Heather dups on drive with one New Zealand let's

725
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Speaker 1: get connected.

726
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Speaker 3: News talks at be.

727
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Speaker 2: Afternoon. So the Vatican has swung into action following the

728
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Speaker 2: Pope's death. The College of Cardinals is going to decide

729
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Speaker 2: today when to move his body into Saint Peter's Basilica

730
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Speaker 2: for a public viewing now. So, David Moxon met the

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Speaker 2: Pope a number of times. He was the Archbishop of

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Speaker 2: Canterbury's representative to the Holy See, and he's with us now, David, Hya, Hi, Hi.

733
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Speaker 2: There was he as fun a personality in real life

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Speaker 2: as he's been portrayed.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think meeting him personally behind the big formal

736
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Speaker 20: statements and the big receptions. He comes across as relaxed

737
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Speaker 20: as he does on public I don't think he was

738
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Speaker 20: two different people. It was kind of like sitting down

739
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Speaker 20: with your favorite uncle when you were with him one

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Speaker 20: to one, and he was often like that with a crowd.

741
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Speaker 20: He called them brothers and sisters. He spoke anecdotally, personally, lovingly,

742
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Speaker 20: like an uncle in a crowd of forty five thousand people,

743
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Speaker 20: or sitting down, say with King Etuhtia or people from

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Speaker 20: all over the world.

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Speaker 8: He was the same.

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Speaker 2: Was that a personality thing or was that his training

747
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Speaker 2: as a Jesuit priest.

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Speaker 20: I think it's a bit of both. He grew up

749
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Speaker 20: in an Italian family in Argentina, and that Italian love

750
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Speaker 20: of family and cousins and friends and guests. I think

751
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Speaker 20: table hospitality is very real, extroverted, warm, loving culture. I

752
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Speaker 20: think that was from his childhood. But the Jesuits also

753
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Speaker 20: took the view that you should welcome everyone as if

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Speaker 20: they were Christ. You should see the image of God

755
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Speaker 20: and everybody, and I think that combined with his upbringing.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he was the reformer in the Church

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Speaker 2: that we had expected him to be.

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Speaker 20: He was intending to be the reformer we hoped he

759
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Speaker 20: would be, and what he found, as everybody finds in

760
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Speaker 20: a large global institution with huge numbers of volunteers, is

761
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Speaker 20: that you have to be very careful, you have to

762
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Speaker 20: be very evocative, you have to be patient, you have

763
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Speaker 20: to look to the long goal. And he achieved some

764
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Speaker 20: major wins, and he had some major areas where he

765
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Speaker 20: wasn't able to achieve everything he hoped. But I think

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Speaker 20: all in all, he did a remarkable job given the

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Speaker 20: vast variety of people around the world who belong to

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Speaker 20: the Catholic Church but also their colleagues and other denominations

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Speaker 20: and other faiths.

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Speaker 2: I mean one indication, I guess what we're looking at

771
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Speaker 2: to see whether the church has moved in a more

772
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Speaker 2: liberal direction under him for the longer term is whether

773
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Speaker 2: the next pope is a liberal as well. What do

774
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Speaker 2: you rate the chances of that happening or will it

775
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Speaker 2: be a swing back to conservatism?

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Speaker 20: Iman Catholic in the Courier in the Conclave could answer

777
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Speaker 20: that My view as an observer partner from the outside

778
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Speaker 20: is that most of the cardinals and the conclave are

779
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Speaker 20: chosen by the pope. There of that age group, that

780
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Speaker 20: he chose them and put them in position so he

781
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Speaker 20: would be progress the mission of the church, who would

782
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Speaker 20: help to keep the church open, an hospitable, warm and

783
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Speaker 20: loving and like him. And I think that it would

784
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Speaker 20: be highly likely that the next Pope would be someone

785
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Speaker 20: who would respect the pontificate of Pope Francis.

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Speaker 2: Hey, David, thank you. I really appreciate your time. That

787
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Speaker 2: Sir David Moxen, who is the former Anglican representative to

788
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Speaker 2: the Holy See, Heather Duplessy Ellen, we have a twist

789
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Speaker 2: in the case of John and Mike Beckenridge's mysterious disappearance

790
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Speaker 2: all those years ago. A hearing's being held in christ

791
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Speaker 2: Hug this week. Now, this is two years after the

792
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Speaker 2: initial coronial hearing. Analiska is The Herald's senior crime reporter.

793
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Speaker 2: He's been at the hearing and is with us now. Hay, Hannah, Hi, Heather. Okay,

794
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Speaker 2: so this new we have evidence as a chap who

795
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Speaker 2: reckons that his cousin helped the pair escape.

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Speaker 8: Is that right?

797
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Speaker 6: Yes, We're going to hear more from this guy this week.

798
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Speaker 6: But apparently he told his cousin that he had helped

799
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Speaker 6: them and that they were alive and that was reported

800
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Speaker 6: to police, we understand in sort of mid last year

801
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Speaker 6: and was investigated and is now back before the coroner.

802
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Speaker 2: Why is it taken so long to be reported? I mean,

803
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Speaker 2: this case has made headlines for years now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, well, I think we'll hear a bit more about

806
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Speaker 6: that this week. We're expecting to hear from the guy

807
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Speaker 6: who's allegedly said this and the people who said it

808
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Speaker 6: to And I think that's one of the big questions

809
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Speaker 6: that we'll be asked, is why it you know, it

810
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Speaker 6: came out when it did.

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Speaker 11: You know.

812
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Speaker 6: We'll also hear from another family member about the dynamic

813
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Speaker 6: between these two people. So I think it's going to

814
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Speaker 6: be quite interesting hearing the two sides and seeing what

815
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Speaker 6: the coroner makes of it.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately. What do we hope to get from this? Like

817
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Speaker 2: what is the coroner going to ultimately rule? Do you think?

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Speaker 6: Look, the inquest was in twenty twenty three, and I

819
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Speaker 6: think that you know, this coming out, the corn has

820
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Speaker 6: got to have a look at it and see where

821
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Speaker 6: he can take it from here, if anywhere. You know,

822
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Speaker 6: obviously this is an exercise in getting everyone to the table,

823
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Speaker 6: you know, seeing who's saying what and what the veracity

824
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Speaker 6: is these claims and whether they can it can go

825
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Speaker 6: anywhere another police have looked into it, and we'll hear

826
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Speaker 6: more about that in the next couple of days as well. So, yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's going to be very interesting I think for everyone

828
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Speaker 6: to sort of hear this new information. But they're definitely

829
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Speaker 6: interesting for us to hear it this morning that there

830
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Speaker 6: was new evidence that was going to be tabled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and have we got anywhere closer to understanding whether

832
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Speaker 2: this car could have actually gone off the cliff without

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Speaker 2: a driver.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: We had an independent engineering expert who gave evidence today.

836
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Speaker 6: Now his evidence was sought I think sort of mid

837
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. They wanted to find someone that could

838
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Speaker 6: really really speak to you, an independent person to speak

839
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Speaker 6: to this. The police obviously are saying that no way

840
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Speaker 6: could have gone off without someone in it. This expert

841
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Speaker 6: today said that from what he's seen of the scene,

842
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Speaker 6: from the evidence, there there is no evidence that somebody

843
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Speaker 6: jumped out of the car at the last minute. He

844
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Speaker 6: said that, you know, to rig a car to go

845
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Speaker 6: over in the straight line that it did off that

846
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Speaker 6: cliff would take quite some if at an expense.

847
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Speaker 2: There's no evidence of that.

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Speaker 6: And that you know, his version of events is the

849
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Speaker 6: probability is very likely that there was someone behind the

850
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Speaker 6: wheel when that car went over. However, the steering wheel

851
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Speaker 6: and the brake pedal were never recovered, so you know,

852
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Speaker 6: it's a lot of We know that the car was

853
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Speaker 6: in absolute state when they found it. The bodies were

854
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Speaker 6: not in the car, you know, So we're looking at

855
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Speaker 6: expert evidence of what could and couldn't have happened, but

856
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Speaker 6: whether we'll ever really know not sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be one of those. Hey, Anna, thanks

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Speaker 2: very much, appreciate it. Analyask The Herald's senior crime reporter

859
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Speaker 2: thirteen past five co governance. I know, so I know

860
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Speaker 2: you thought, oh, here we go COVID. I thought we'd

861
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Speaker 2: put that to bed. No we haven't. We're going to

862
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: talk to you about co governance because I think we've

863
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: got another case of it popping up. I'll get to it,

864
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Speaker 2: but hopefully hopefully before this half an hour through. But

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Speaker 2: just a little bit of good economic news to share

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Speaker 2: with you. We have, as a country, reported a merchandise

867
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Speaker 2: trade surplus of nine hundred and seventy million dollars in March. Now,

868
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Speaker 2: this is the highest monthly surplus that we've recorded since

869
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Speaker 2: May and twenty twenty, and back then there was all

870
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Speaker 2: kinds of weird things going on with COVID and numbers

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So if you wipe out COVID

872
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Speaker 2: and all the weird stuff, this is a really big

873
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Speaker 2: trade surplus for the country. It suggests apparently that we

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Speaker 2: may be experiencing an export lead economic recovery. Now this

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Speaker 2: the other way. First of all, big number, but also

876
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: bigger than we were expecting, so that's quite a big thing.

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Speaker 2: It surpassed worst Pack's forecast of about seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: chat to Nikola all this about it. She's with us

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Speaker 2: as per usual after six o'clock right now, quarter past.

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Speaker 12: Hey.

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Speaker 3: What ever Dupul eighteen five.

910
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: Now time to talk about one of the great scourges

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00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: of modern life, which is obviously the smartphone and the

912
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: notifications that you get on this blinking thing. According to

913
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: new research commissioned by two Degrees, half of us reckon

914
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: we get too many notifications in the day. Catherine Burkett

915
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: is a neuroscience expert and with us. Now, Hey, Catherine, hey,

916
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by what this does to our heads. Right,

917
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: fifty percent of us feel overwhelmed. What is it doing

918
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: to our brains?

919
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 21: We haven't got the time to go into that, but

920
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 21: in a summary, it's it's literally training us to be

921
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 21: on alert for I say danger, but you know, for

922
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 21: something We just know something's coming and you can sort

923
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 21: of feel it in your body, can't you if.

924
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: You hyd.

925
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Speaker 21: Yeah, just what's coming next? Is something I should think

926
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Speaker 21: there's something going to happen soon, And if we don't

927
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Speaker 21: control them, it can get a little bit. Yeah, it

928
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 21: can get a little bit overwhelming.

929
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Speaker 2: Because the young people in particular, thirty eight percent of

930
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: gen z reckon, they feel anxious, panicked, or overwhelmed at

931
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: the number of notifications. So that's that little feeling that

932
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: we get. Why, though, Catherine, do we not have the

933
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: I just like the common sense to turn the notifications off.

934
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: Do you indulge in a little bit of whine every

935
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: now and then.

936
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 21: Haven't you the common sense not to have it?

937
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: Because it's fun, because.

938
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Speaker 21: It's nice, because it's a buzz, because it's in small

939
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 21: amounts and certain amounts, it's great, isn't it. And also,

940
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 21: by the way, we need these things. And that's the

941
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 21: difficult thing is that they're amazing. They enhance our life

942
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 21: so much, but yet they can also do this. So yeah,

943
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 21: it's it's and it's the addiction. It's the you know,

944
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 21: we do want to know that people care about us

945
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 21: and like us. So yeah, that's why we're asking people

946
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Speaker 21: to not you know, walk away from it, but to

947
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Speaker 21: control it, to have a bit more control.

948
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Speaker 2: It's controlling you.

949
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Speaker 21: So that's that's the idea of understanding this information.

950
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Speaker 2: What do you do, Catherine, What do you do to

951
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: control your notifications and your phone's impact on your life?

952
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 21: Actually, I mean I have notifications off, but I actually

953
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Speaker 21: also have trained myself not to salivate to the bell,

954
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 21: all right, not to jump up as soon as there's

955
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 21: a ping. If there's a ping, and I can be

956
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Speaker 21: sitting around with some other adults and I'll go that

957
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Speaker 21: was your.

958
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Phone, I'm gonna yeah, it's fine. I'll get it later.

959
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Speaker 21: I'm not controlled by it. It doesn't make me want

960
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 21: to go over. So I've trained my brain to not

961
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Speaker 21: ping run over. Do you see what I mean? So

962
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 21: there's that as well, because I'm in control of it.

963
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 21: It's not it's not going to control my life.

964
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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. I love what you're doing there, Catherine,

965
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It's good good news you can

966
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Speaker 2: use Catherine Burkett neuroscientists listen on the subject. Can I

967
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: I just I noticed the thing? Okay, so I've noticed

968
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: this thing lately where and I want I just want

969
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: to know maybe if a boomer can explain this to me.

970
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: But why do boomers have such bad phone manners? Because

971
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: it seems to be to be a uniquely boomer problem.

972
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. If you know my mum right,

973
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Speaker 2: you'll be we're walking around in the middle, you could

974
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: be anywhere you should be at my house, be walking

975
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: around in town, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, and

976
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: if somebody calls her, she puts it on speaker phone

977
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: and then holds the speakerphone like you know, like five

978
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: centimeters that's ten, maybe fifteen, fifteen centimeters away from her

979
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: face and talks into it, but on speaker phone. To me,

980
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: there's no why don't you just take it off speaker phone,

981
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: put it up to your ear then only you can

982
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: hear what the person's saying. Now you need to put

983
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: it on speakerphone and hold it up there like that's

984
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: like a little mirror for your face. That's weird, isn't it? Anyway?

985
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: So I noticed that and I was like, Mum, you

986
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: got to stop doing that. This bad manners. But then

987
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Speaker 2: I started noticing lots of boomers doing exactly the same thing.

988
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: And then I noticed other boomers. You'd be talking to

989
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: them the phone rings. I was talking to a boomer

990
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: the other day the phone rang. They just up picked

991
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: it like smooth as you like, just picked it up

992
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: and started talking to the phone. Just didn't even say

993
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: to me, excuse me if I phone's ringing, I'm just

994
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: going to take a phone call. Just went blah blah

995
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. What's up? Boomers? What's up? I don't

996
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: understand it because you people are the ones who hammered manner,

997
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: isn't us? You were like, oh, you're gonna have a

998
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: knife and fork with the ruplet You run and I'm

999
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: gonna sit down at the table.

1000
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Speaker 11: Don't talk food in you out, No at the table.

1001
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 11: I remember that one.

1002
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now you guys are just like blah blah

1003
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: in front of your what's going on?

1004
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 8: Please?

1005
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: I really want to understand it because it does not

1006
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: appear to be a millennial problem, just a boomer problem.

1007
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Five twenty two Informed Inside into Today's issues. It's Heather

1008
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

1009
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: News Talk zed B five twenty five. Listen, I gotta

1010
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: tell you something here at Newstalk ZB. We sometimes cop

1011
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: it from the hand ringers for not taking the weather

1012
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: warning seriously. You know what I'm talking about. You know,

1013
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: when you've got the schools around Auckland shutting because there's

1014
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: a bit of water coming, bit of rain, and some

1015
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: of us argue the schools should stay open when it rains,

1016
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: and that the hand ringers get very fidgety and they

1017
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: have a crack at us. Now, I can't speak for

1018
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: everybody here at Newstalk ZB, but let me tell you

1019
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: why I don't take where the warning seriously anymore because

1020
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: of what happened to Auckland at the weekend. Out of

1021
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: the blue, no warning whatsoever. There is huge rain on

1022
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: Friday night, very early Saturday morning as well, and we've

1023
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: got flooding right, no warning whatsoever. In fact, the warning

1024
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 2: does come after the storm's been going on for about

1025
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: an hour.

1026
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 20: Now.

1027
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: It's not as if the METS Service and the emergency

1028
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: managing people weren't watching the word that they were on

1029
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: alot for the weather, because we had a weather warning

1030
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: on Thursday, didn't we? And then on Friday morning we

1031
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 2: still had a weather warning and they say, oh, don't

1032
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: worry about it. That's the end of that for now.

1033
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: And then Friday night bang, no warning, and then Saturday

1034
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: when they just start warning for absolutely everything that looks

1035
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: vaguely like a cloud like mat goes the phone on Saturday,

1036
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: but of a warning twice goes the phone on Sunday.

1037
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: My producer reckons she looked up when she saw that

1038
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: blue sky. Yep, do we have a major incident on

1039
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday? No, not really, But that's when we

1040
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: got the warnings because they were butt covering, So we

1041
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: got warnings for nothing and then no warning for the

1042
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: actual thing. Now, this is exactly what happened to Auckland.

1043
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: Two years ago when Auckland flooded on Auckland Anniversary. We

1044
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: can remember that no warning, suddenly we're flooding. Everybody's got

1045
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: the cars halfway, you know, like floating around the city.

1046
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: Still no warning, are still not telling us what's going on.

1047
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: And then after that, warnings thick and fast for absolutely nothing.

1048
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: So it's a repeat of the same thing. And this

1049
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: is why I don't take the warning seriously anymore, because

1050
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: warnings usually mean nothing's gonna happen and we're overreacting. And

1051
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: when there's there's no warning, that's when you need to panic. Now,

1052
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: met service reckons, Look, it's because it's very hard to

1053
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: predict a thunderstorm. That's what happened. Well, listen, mate, everybody's

1054
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: job is hard, Okay. We wouldn't accept it if the

1055
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: builder in our backyard built a wonky deck. Squaring off

1056
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: a frame is hard. We wouldn't accept it if a

1057
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: heart surgeon killed every single patient that they had, because

1058
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, doing heart surgery is actually hard. If you

1059
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: think predicting thunderstorms is hard, get another job until we

1060
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: can trust the warnings. The opposite is true. We can't

1061
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: trust the warnings and they're a joke, and that's why

1062
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: we treat them as such.

1063
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: Heather, do for see, Ellen, Heather, holding.

1064
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: The phone to the ear is radiation closed to the head.

1065
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: That's why we do this, Heither, it's because of the

1066
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: boomer's hearing aids and get the feeling into their ears. Heather,

1067
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: my mum does exactly the same, Heather, excuse me. I agree,

1068
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm only sixty three. But what's worse is that the

1069
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: boomers actually put the speaker on full and then they

1070
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: talking to the wrong end of the phone and everyone

1071
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: else can hear it as well. That's what I'm saying.

1072
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. I don't want to know

1073
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: about your your deal that you're doing on the phone anyway.

1074
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: So it's not just me, but we don't apart from

1075
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: the radiation, we don't know why anyway. Winston's next, and

1076
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about co governance shortly news talks. He'd

1077
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: beat st.

1078
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1079
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy, Ellen, drive with one New

1080
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected Newstalgsa'd.

1081
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 8: Be hugging bonus and flowers.

1082
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: My name and said, Hey, I've got a couple of

1083
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: Texters suggesting that maybe the problem with what happened with

1084
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Speaker 2: the weather on Easter Friday is there may be a

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Speaker 2: pattern here. So we didn't get the warnings anniversary weekend

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Speaker 2: in Auckland, and we didn't get the warnings east of

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Speaker 2: Friday in Auckland. What's the What are those two things

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Speaker 2: got in common? Mm hmm, that's for our long weekends.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that everybody at the Met Service went

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Speaker 2: on holiday and just left Junior in the office office

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Speaker 2: by himself, And Junior was sitting there going, oh, hey, oh,

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Speaker 2: there's something happening on that mother's cool. Those colors are cool. Yep, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: and just carried on playing whatever game whatever, like I

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Speaker 2: don't know what to call, like Minecraft or something a

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Speaker 2: little Minecraft. And meanwhile Auckland's getting flooded here. The Met

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Speaker 2: Service were all on holiday on Good Friday evening, I

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Speaker 2: think at approximately ten o'clock I looked at the rain radar.

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Speaker 2: You could see a massive continuous stream of rain from

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Speaker 2: about Walkworth all the way to the Bay of Islands,

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Speaker 2: heading towards Auckland. It was obvious we were going to

1101
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Speaker 2: be in strife. But Met Service all on holiday junior's

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Speaker 2: playing Minecraft. There's your problem. So next time it's a

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Speaker 2: long weekend and it's a bit rainy, watch out Auckland

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Speaker 2: because met Service might all be on holiday again. Twenty

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Speaker 2: three away from six Huddle's gonna be at us shortly.

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Speaker 2: But First New Zealand First is proposing to define what

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Speaker 2: a woman is in law after the UK Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: ruling last week. Now the Members build defines a woman

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Speaker 2: as an adult human biological female New Zealand First leader

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Speaker 2: obviously as Winston Peter's Winston. Hello, Hello, Why do we

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Speaker 2: need to have these definitions in law?

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Speaker 8: Look, we have for decades said that the government's got

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Speaker 8: no place in the nation's bedrooms. It's not about being

1114
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Speaker 8: aunt anyone or aunt anything. But we have to have

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Speaker 8: a focus on the facts of biology and protect the

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Speaker 8: term women in this country's law.

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Speaker 2: Practically, what's it going to do? I mean, what spaces

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Speaker 2: or things are we protecting for women through this definition.

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00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 8: Well, there's a whole lot of spaces. I mean it

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Speaker 8: started off you remember it's about twenty twenty one in

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Speaker 8: the Indocargol swimming pools. There was an argument about men's

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00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 8: or certain men's or non women's rights walking to the

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Speaker 8: girls and the women's changing sheds. I mean, this was

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Speaker 8: disgrace and it camera carried on from there. We were

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Speaker 8: told we're going down a rabbit hole, or some porticians

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00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 8: said we're on another planet. And the fact of the

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00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 8: matter is that this is a case where women who

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Speaker 8: are deserving protection in sport and many other occasions are

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Speaker 8: simply not getting it in our law.

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Speaker 2: So would this be applicable in sport as well? Winston?

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Speaker 2: So for example, if you were, like, we're running a

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Speaker 2: women's rugby league team, you could say to trans women,

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00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 2: you can't join the team.

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Speaker 8: You're not a woman, You've got a biological advantage. You're

1135
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 8: not going to be playing in the same fairness scene

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Speaker 8: as women are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, do you think that there is I mean

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Speaker 2: the first thing is do we actually have a problem

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00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: where we actually have trans women going into bathrooms and

1140
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: women objecting to it? Is that actually happening?

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Speaker 8: Look, that's happening, and we've but women who twice have

1142
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 8: presented petitions to us in the last year asking for

1143
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 8: us to do something about it. And what we've had

1144
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 8: here is an unusual circumstance where of late they woke

1145
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 8: left and their ideology has crept in and no one's

1146
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 8: got a thing about it, and we are saying, no,

1147
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 8: that's enough. The law should be clear. It is unusual

1148
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 8: that we have to write the law this way. We

1149
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 8: all understood and we thought we understood what we're talking about.

1150
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Speaker 8: But now because of those who don't have any regard

1151
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 8: to electoral mandates or any rights or majority rights, are

1152
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 8: just asserting we think this and if you don't think that,

1153
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 8: then you're out of touch. Well we're not out of touch.

1154
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 8: We're in touch with the mass majority and we're going

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Speaker 8: to do something about and ensuring that women in particular

1156
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Speaker 8: are safe.

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00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: Look, the second thing is, if you're serious about it,

1158
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: why are you doing this as a member's bill? Why

1159
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: aren't you doing it as a government bill? Because a

1160
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: member's bill it may or may not happen for decades.

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Speaker 8: It'll we make it. I can assure you of this

1162
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 8: because there's enormous pressure for the political parties in Parliament

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 8: to address this issue. Yeah, Chris Simquins was asked this question,

1164
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 8: you recall in twenty twenty three, and he said he'd

1165
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 8: get back to these people. He didn't want to talk

1166
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 8: about it, didn't know he didn't. He couldn't describe what

1167
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 8: a woman was. That's how bad things have got.

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Speaker 2: But why don't you do it as a government bill?

1169
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you're doing the same thing as him, right,

1170
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: this is on the back burner if it's a member's bill.

1171
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: Why don't you do it as a government bill.

1172
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 8: I guarantee you'll not be on the back burner. We'll

1173
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 8: make sure it's on the front burner and it's already started.

1174
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Speaker 2: But you can't Winston because it has to get drawn

1175
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: out randomly out of a biscuit. And so why don't

1176
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: you do it as a government bill and.

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Speaker 8: Do it now? Because when you're trying to negotiate a

1178
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 8: former college governed ow many people don't have the priority

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Speaker 8: on some of the most fundamental things my party does.

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Speaker 2: Who's holding it out? Is it national or is it act?

1181
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Speaker 8: Well, we'll see who's holding it up. But here's the point. Yeah, no, no,

1182
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 8: I don't laugh. It's not a laughing matter. The women

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00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 8: are the majority of population of this country. That's the

1184
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 8: first thing.

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Speaker 2: And the second thing is, well, I want to know

1186
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Speaker 2: who's holding it up Onceton. Somebody's holding it up.

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00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 8: Well, we'll we'll find out who's holding it back, and

1188
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 8: we'll ensure that the public knows.

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Speaker 2: About Hey, listen, tell me something. What did Nicola get

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Speaker 2: you for your happy birthday? By the way, what did

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00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: Nicola get you for your birthday?

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00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 8: Actually a drawing? A train drawer, No, no, know, a

1193
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 8: blob of someone else's drawing.

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00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: One of those newspaper cartoons.

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Speaker 8: No, no, I didn't have times. It was the last

1196
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Speaker 8: day letting our heading off to the four country Spacific.

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Speaker 8: I barely had time to look at us say look,

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Speaker 8: I'll look at it when I get back. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 8: thank you.

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Speaker 2: Then and did you have a knees up?

1201
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: No?

1202
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 8: I didn't. And well there were attempts to have him.

1203
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 8: He's up, but I made sure I avoided him, but

1204
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 8: I ended up. This was a catastrophe. I went on

1205
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 8: the wrong way. But I've gone Hawaii first and back

1206
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 8: to Tonga. I would have avoided my birthday because the

1207
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 8: eleventh would have been in two different days. But I

1208
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 8: went to Tonga and then went to Hawaii, and I

1209
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 8: got I got it twice trying to avoid it.

1210
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Speaker 2: That sounds like calmer. Hey, happy birthday, Winston, and thank

1211
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 2: you for your time. That's Winston Peter's New Zealand First

1212
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: Leader eighteen away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones

1214
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Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that performed not a promise.

1215
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Speaker 2: On the Huddle. Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute and

1216
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: Joseph Gurney, CEO of Child Fund Hire you guys.

1217
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Speaker 3: Hello, Hey there, Tim, you are Yeah, I.

1218
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: Reckon you're the most prominent Catholic on our show. So

1219
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: tell me what did you think of the Pope? Did

1220
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: you think he was a fun time or a bit disappointing?

1221
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 22: I thought it was a Look, I'm pretty sure that

1222
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 22: he was a very devout and humble man. You know,

1223
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 22: he used to they used to have to prize his

1224
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 22: shoes off him because they're full of holes. So no

1225
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 22: question he was put himself. Actually stayed in the Vatican

1226
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 22: guest house. He didn't want to stay in the swanky apartments.

1227
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 22: So in that sense, very very devout and humble. I

1228
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 22: was interested in your discussion with Sir David Moxton talking

1229
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 22: about you know, it was all based on the assumption

1230
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 22: that changes God, whereas I'm not sure, you know, if

1231
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 22: you've got a message of love and forgiveness, why do

1232
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 22: you want to change that, and I think you know that.

1233
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: Actually, I'll push back on that to him, because you

1234
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 2: can have a message of love, but if you exclude

1235
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: women from the clergy, if you don't want to deal

1236
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: with divorce people, and if you don't want to embrace

1237
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: gay people, then there's.

1238
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Speaker 11: Not a lot of love.

1239
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 22: Well love, love has showing all kinds of different ways.

1240
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 12: But love is also expressed through truth. And so if

1241
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 12: this is what you believe to be the truth.

1242
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 22: Then that's I think that's that's fine, And I'm just

1243
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 22: I'm just saying that, you know, the love for tradition

1244
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 22: and the immutability of the church. What was at last

1245
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 22: Easter Sunday, the Saint Patrick's in Auckland City baptized three

1246
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 22: hundred and fifty people. The Angler I'm not don't want

1247
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 22: to play, you know, teams against teams, but the Anglicans

1248
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 22: got that in one year. So there's there's there's an

1249
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 22: attraction here that's actually happening.

1250
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: You do it, you're shameless.

1251
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Speaker 12: Well, you've got to have comparisons.

1252
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 22: You've got to have a comparison here that come up.

1253
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: I found him disappointing because I come from a much

1254
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: more liberal perspective, and so I wanted it. What he

1255
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: did was he did just a lot of talking about it, right,

1256
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: never actually changed anything about the way that the Catholic

1257
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: Church approached these people.

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Speaker 16: Well, my family is is a classic microcosm of the

1259
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 16: Catholic Church. So my brother, who was a very naughty

1260
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 16: boy in his twenties, is a very very orthodox Catholic

1261
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 16: now and I'm a much more obviously liberal, not obviously,

1262
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 16: but I'm very liberal Catholic. And he would call me

1263
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 16: a cafe Catholic. You know, I picked that.

1264
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 22: Is that like a Charlagae Catholic.

1265
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 16: Yes, it is Champagne Champagne. Well I'm a Champagne socialist

1266
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 16: and a cafe Catholic. So yeah, basically very nutritious around.

1267
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Speaker 16: But look, I do think I know what you mean,

1268
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 16: because a lot of people have said this that he

1269
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 16: didn't change enough. But I think you have to understand.

1270
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Speaker 16: And both Tim and I Catholics, and you know we

1271
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 16: and we share a faith, but the church is so

1272
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 16: divided and Francis, Pope Francis didn't want a civil war,

1273
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 16: so he set about to try and avoid that, to

1274
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 16: avoid the culture wars. So what he did was go

1275
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 16: and He's got a lovely phrase where he said to

1276
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 16: the bishops and priests, go and smell the sheep, which

1277
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 16: has something means something slightly different in New Zealand. But

1278
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 16: what he meant by that was stay close to the

1279
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 16: people that the church serves, you know. And that's what

1280
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 16: Tim was just saying that, And that was something where

1281
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 16: he just wanted to say the church is open to everybody.

1282
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 16: Now he did. You're right, Heather. He didn't change the

1283
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 16: doctrine on gay marriage, he didn't change woman priests, all

1284
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 16: of the things that sort of liberal Catholics like me

1285
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 16: would go, well, we're ready for that. But main his

1286
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 16: main goal was to change the tone and the style

1287
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 16: of the Catholic Church and then to have the conversation

1288
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 16: at least, but not to start a civil war. And

1289
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 16: people like my brother, who I door and love dearly,

1290
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 16: was itching for a fight, so he was trying to

1291
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 16: avoid that.

1292
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough. I appreciate it, or I take

1293
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: a break, come back shortly. It is fourteen away from

1294
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Speaker 2: sex ins the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand southebyst international realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: Right back of the huddle. Tim Wilson, JOSEPEGANI, Josie, what

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Speaker 2: are we going to do with met Service?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 16: There is there is some personal responsibility here, there isn't it?

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Speaker 16: Like if I think of my family, my son who

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Speaker 16: shall remain nameless, Carlo and decided to go tramping this weekend, right,

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Speaker 16: And I found out about this afterwards, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 16: when a bloody idiot you went tramping when there was

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Speaker 16: a cyclone and a storm predicted a met service, So

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Speaker 16: that there's something about, you know, Dulwinnie and no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, Josey, don't be unfair. He looked at it

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Speaker 2: and he was like, no.

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Speaker 22: Lock and he said, this is the perfect perfect time

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Speaker 22: for me to go out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was like, the meat services, the weather's

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Speaker 2: going to be bad, therefore it's probably going to be

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Speaker 2: good because they suck at their jobs. This is what

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Speaker 2: happens when you suck at your job when you're a

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Speaker 2: met service staffer.

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Speaker 22: Isn't it also also McDonald's berger, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: This is all that we can summarize this in one word.

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Speaker 12: Testosterone.

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Speaker 3: Get used to it, guys.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome, Tim, though there is something there is a

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Speaker 2: problem here right where we've got We don't get the

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Speaker 2: warnings when we should get the warnings, and then we

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Speaker 2: get the warnings when there's actually nothing to be warned about.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, and as I think you pointed out, the more

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Speaker 22: this happens, the more we discount it.

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Speaker 12: We go, oh is this a real warning?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 22: I got I got one what was at two three

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Speaker 22: on Saturday, and it said this is up till twoint fifteen,

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Speaker 22: and it's like, oh, come on, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 22: And nothing was happening, and so and so. I guess

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Speaker 22: the bigger question here is what do we expect from government?

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Speaker 22: Do we actually expect the government to tell it?

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Speaker 8: We can?

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Speaker 3: We can search out the weather.

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Speaker 22: Ourselves on the Internet and determine our behavior on that basis.

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Speaker 22: I don't need some Clackson in the supermarket telling me

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Speaker 22: that China may or may not be bombing.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's just make th understorm.

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Speaker 16: Well that's my point is that is that you do

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Speaker 16: have some personal response. But I mean I checked the

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Speaker 16: weather and I wasn't going tramping. I was flying in

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Speaker 16: a little plane. But I checked the weather and couldn't

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Speaker 16: see that there was a whole bunch of rain coming,

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Speaker 16: so you know you are you are able to actually

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Speaker 16: check the weather yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right I can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like where you guys are.

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Speaker 22: Going with this and in which we don't don't expect

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Speaker 22: the state to feed you, to drip feed your everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, don't don't give them anything. Don't tell

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Speaker 2: me that, Like, we're either in this or we're not.

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Speaker 19: Right.

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Speaker 2: We're either going to ignore them or we're gonna we're

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Speaker 2: going to listen to their warnings. And if they're going

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Speaker 2: to give us warnings, and they're better be good at it.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I suppose we're back to exactly where we started. Listen, Tim,

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Speaker 2: tell me, do the notifications on your phone overwhelming?

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Speaker 12: Well they don't look they're from limit service. No, No,

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Speaker 12: I mean I thought what was really interesting about this is.

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Speaker 22: We defined it in terms of anxiety. And actually anxiety

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Speaker 22: is not a bad thing because you know, you think

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Speaker 22: about your working, so that's sort of meaningful. It actually

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Speaker 22: helps you get stuff done. So you need to actually

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Speaker 22: have you know, you need to have this unmeaningful anxiety

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Speaker 22: or this sort of needless anxiety. Just as your guest said,

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Speaker 22: select your notifications and if you if you guess them all.

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Speaker 22: You can actually pretend to ignore people and actually ghost

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Speaker 22: them and it's not your fault. Sorry, I turned off

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Speaker 22: my notifications.

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Speaker 16: Once again, it is personal responsibility. So you can actually

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Speaker 16: go through and get rid of the risko's notifications because in.

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Speaker 2: The you're missing point, you're missing an important point, which

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Speaker 2: is that the kids will Everybody wants the note. We

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Speaker 2: want the notifications there because then we can just get

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Speaker 2: that little dopamine hair and people love us blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: But then the counter of that is that the constant,

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Speaker 2: that constant thing makes us makes us feel bad in

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Speaker 2: the long term.

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Speaker 16: A bottle of whiskin and McDonald's yourself.

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Speaker 22: Out and given and given, given, also personal responsibility. I

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Speaker 22: understand there's an unbaptized child in your house, Heather. I

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Speaker 22: could actually have a Jesuit Special Ops team around there

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Speaker 22: in twenty minutes. We could take care of that too.

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Speaker 2: Do you want because you have been trying the longest

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Speaker 2: time out like I was leaning towards the Anglicans for

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Speaker 2: a minute and you freaked out, And now you're trying

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Speaker 2: to get me to become a Catholic, aren't you.

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Speaker 22: The waters come on the waters of the tiber are

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Speaker 22: warm and rising. Heather, come on, come on me and Tim.

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Speaker 22: So look, you've got exactly.

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Speaker 2: If I can be that, if I can be a

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Speaker 2: Josie type of Catholic. I well, guys, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Tim Wilson, Joseph Ghani. Honestly, you will

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Speaker 2: not know it, will not believe the number of times

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Speaker 2: that Tim texts me to check if I've settled on

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Speaker 2: a church yet and whether I'm going to become a Catholic.

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Speaker 2: He's doing God's where he's doing more work than the Pope.

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Speaker 2: Seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplassy Allan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News talksz be.

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Speaker 2: Heather, the Meat Services, chicken licking, the sky is falling

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Speaker 2: and bang on, that's exactly what the boy that cried

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Speaker 2: wolf right, and you know how that story ends. Hither.

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Speaker 2: The best one I saw was the boomer woman speaking

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: on her phone in countdown talking to her sex therapist

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Speaker 2: discussing her bedroom techniques. Some people should take it off

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Speaker 2: speaker phone, George, bang On, That's what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 2: hadn't got quite to that place, although I was complaining

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Speaker 2: about my mum, so that if that had happened, it

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Speaker 2: was my mum would be in a real book pickle,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't we So I'm glad it was just the lady

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Speaker 2: in Countdown who had that conversation on speaker four away

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Speaker 2: from six. Now, silly old me, surly old me. But

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Speaker 2: I thought that this government was getting rid of co

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Speaker 2: governance because remember how they were like no to three waders,

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Speaker 2: no to the new RMA legislation because that was all

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Speaker 2: riddled with co governance. Well, guess what it's still going on.

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Speaker 2: Got an example of one being set up right now

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Speaker 2: for the White Targety Ranges. Now, what's happened is that

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Speaker 2: Auckland Council and the Government and the Tongue at the

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Speaker 2: Fenua are proposing to set up a committee to run

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Speaker 2: the place fifty percent representation from Tongue at the Fenua,

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Speaker 2: fifty percent from the Council and the Crown. That is

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Speaker 2: co governance right there right, That is, that is basically

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Speaker 2: the co governance that have seen run and down this country.

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Speaker 2: That's it happening right therefore the White Targety Ranges. And

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Speaker 2: it looks like a decision was taken in December last year,

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Speaker 2: so this is fresh stuff. What it means is that

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Speaker 2: Tangue Defena will Will Will basically as I say, get

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Speaker 2: fifty percent decision making. What they want to do though

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Speaker 2: is important here because they want to restrict This is

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Speaker 2: Tekawuo Amaki. Want to restrict public access to a huge

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Speaker 2: chunk of the regional park, which is what why targety

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Speaker 2: ranges are because they want to close a bunch of tracks. Right,

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Speaker 2: So I think it works out at about thirty five

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Speaker 2: percent of the park's total land would be restricted from using.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen of the tracks would be eliminated, and that I

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Speaker 2: think accounts for something like fourteen percent of the tracks. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in this because I think this is just

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Speaker 2: the latest example of the government saying sort of representing

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Speaker 2: change to us and suggesting they were going to change things,

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Speaker 2: and just carrying on with much of the same. Nikola

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Speaker 2: Willis's with ustraight after six. We'll have a chat to

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Speaker 2: her about that. Also, she's given some interviews this weekend

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Speaker 2: suggesting that she is going to start paying down debt

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Speaker 2: in a big way, So we have a chat to

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Speaker 2: her about that. Short news talks dby If this were Manquod's.

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Speaker 3: Up, what's down? What with a major cause and how

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Speaker 3: will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen and mass insurance and investments, Grow your wealth,

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Speaker 1: Protect your future, US talks edb.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour, informetrics on what

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Speaker 2: looks like an export lead recovery. Roe Duncan of the

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Speaker 2: country on a bounce back in our chicken exports and

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Speaker 2: Indebrady is with us out of the UK right now

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Speaker 2: it's eight pass six and with us as the finance minister.

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Speaker 2: Nikola will this evening Nicolaise.

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Speaker 23: Good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Now I see that you're talking about starting to pay

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Speaker 2: down our debt. Are you going to start paying down

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Speaker 2: the debt this budget?

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Speaker 23: The first step to paying down debt is getting the

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Speaker 23: budget back in balance. Because New Zealand has been in deficit,

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Speaker 23: spending more than we earn since twenty nineteen, and we've

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Speaker 23: previously said that we want to consolidate gradually. Our goal

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Speaker 23: is to get back into surplus by the twenty seven

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Speaker 23: twenty eight financial year. That goal remains the same.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we get back to suplus twenty seven twenty

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Speaker 2: eight and then we start hammering the debt. Is that right?

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Speaker 23: That's right, because once you're in surplus, of course, you're

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Speaker 23: no longer borrowing to pay for the groceries, and you've

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Speaker 23: got the ability to pay down debt. Of course, we're

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Speaker 23: borrowing every day right now to keep our hospitals, schools

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Speaker 23: and police going. But we can't do that forever as

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Speaker 23: a country. We need to get the books back and balance.

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Speaker 2: So what do you reckon is a good level for

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Speaker 2: debt to sit out?

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Speaker 23: Well, forty percent is where I would like to get

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Speaker 23: it too. I want it tracking down to there. Between

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Speaker 23: twenty and forty percent is where the government has said

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Speaker 23: is what we're comfortable with. It's now up over that

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Speaker 23: level our treasury say, beyond fifty percent, it becomes a

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Speaker 23: bit of a problem if we get an earthquake or

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Speaker 23: a climate or are any kind of big economic event.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, So are you saying that when you

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Speaker 2: leave the role as Finance minister one day, forty percent

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Speaker 2: will be a good spot to get it too.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I want it tracking down to forty percent.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it only twenty two and a half at the moment.

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Speaker 23: Yes, that's right, But it's forecast to keep growing while

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Speaker 23: we're still in deficit. So my first goal is to

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Speaker 23: get it bending back down to forty and then we

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Speaker 23: think it should comfortably sit between twenty and forty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and so what is it going to track at?

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Speaker 2: What is it going to reach it its height according

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Speaker 2: to forecasts?

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Speaker 23: Well, that's what I'm going to tell you at the

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Speaker 23: budget okay, very budget sensitive figure. It needs to be

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Speaker 23: fore dating.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got to have a stretch goal, right you

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Speaker 2: can't be doing like forty three percent down to forty percent.

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Speaker 2: That's not impressive.

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Speaker 23: Well, as I say, the first thing is get your

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Speaker 23: books back and balance, and New Zealand is listening to

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01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 23: this will understand that the first thing to start being

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01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 23: able to pay down your credit card debt is to

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 23: actually not be spending more than you earn each week.

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01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 23: And right now New Zealand is spending more every year

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01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 23: than we are earning, and so we have to get

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 23: that right. And that's the prerequisite of being able to

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01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 23: pay down debt. And of course labor at every instance

1516
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 23: say the answer to every problem is to spend more,

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01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 23: and they forget the fact that right now it's all

1518
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 23: on the credit card, and that credit card needs to

1519
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 23: be repaid by your kids and my kids.

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Speaker 2: Nicola is the Reserve Bank currently independent of view? It is, well,

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01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: how did you get them to change their mind about

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01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: the capital funding? Once Adrian or left because he was like, no,

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to know, I don't want to do

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 2: what you want. He's out the door. Christian and Neil

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: quickly decide to do what you want.

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Speaker 23: Well, they took that decision independent of me. You'll know

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 23: that there's been a Select Committee inquiry occurring at Parliament

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 23: into the banking sector and one of the issues that's

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01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 23: been raised by submitter after submitter is the impact the

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01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 23: changes in the Reserve Bank's capital adequacy ratios have had

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01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 23: on lending. I think the Reserve Bank has observed that

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01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 23: public debate and in their own words, they've decided it's

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01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 23: an appropriate time to check in and see whether the

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 23: decisions they made back in twenty nineteen is still step

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 23: agree with.

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Speaker 2: You on this and I think that they're doing the

1537
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: right thing. But you've got a problem here, haven't you,

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 2: Because what's being suggested in the media today is that

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Speaker 2: Neil Quigley is not independent as the chair because he

1540
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: is with Wyecutter University. He wants you to give him

1541
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: a medical school. Christian Hawksby is not independent is the

1542
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: acting Governor because he wants the job full time, so

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: he's going to do what Both of them have interests

1544
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: in doing what you want. There's the perception problem, isn't there.

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Speaker 23: Well, I just reject that completely, and I think it

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 23: impugnes the integrity of both of those people. Well, does

1547
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 23: it not lead you they would take their roles more seriously.

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: But does it not lead you to the point where

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01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: it has become obvious that neither of them can hold

1550
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: those positions?

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01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 23: No, I continue to have confidence in the Reserve Bank,

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 23: both the Acting Governor and the Chair of the Reserve

1554
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 23: Bank Board.

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Speaker 2: But even outside of this, do they actually deserve those

1556
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: positions because Neil Quigley was there while Adrian All was

1557
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: there and that thing was just a complete hot mess.

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 2: And so is Christian Hawksby. Right, so they are all

1559
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 2: part of the same cabal. Don't you need to properly now?

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Speaker 23: Well, I'm very pleased that we've started by getting the

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Speaker 23: funding situation under control and stopping this business of massive

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 23: increases and how much the Reserve Bank ha spen there? Yeah,

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Speaker 23: I think that will go a significant way to changing culture.

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01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 23: I've also refreshed some of the membership of both the

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Speaker 23: Monetary Policy Committee and the Board, and I have further

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 23: opportunities to do more of that in the next few months.

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01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 23: All of those things are relevant, and I share your

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 23: concerns about some of the decisions that the Reserve Bank

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 23: made when it was in coheres with Grant Robertson. Frankly,

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01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 23: they printed too much money. Yes, and I have said

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 23: previously that I do think is a country we need

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 23: to review some of that decision these and there at.

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Speaker 2: The same time, Nichola, can they continue to hold their

1574
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 2: jobs if they were part of that administration?

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01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 23: Well, look, I'm satisfied that the Reserve Bank Board recommended

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01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 23: to me that Christian Hawksby was the best person for

1577
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 23: that temporary role while they search for a permanent governor,

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 23: and he meets all of the criterion.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now listen, have you caught up on the fact

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Speaker 2: that you guys are still doing co governance? You aware

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Speaker 2: of this?

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 23: Well, I don't think that's quite fair. I think you're

1583
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 23: referring to the situation in the way taktsw Yukland Council

1584
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 23: is currently consulting on a proposed interpretation of a deed.

1585
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 23: And look, that's out for consultation. People will have their

1586
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 23: say none of it, as I understand, it would override

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Speaker 23: existing governance.

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: What have I got wrong? Statutory What have I got wrong?

1589
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: Calling this co governance?

1590
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 23: Well, as I understand it, the proposal being consulted on

1591
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,839
Speaker 23: is not final. First second, I understand it's not intended

1592
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 23: to override the existing governance structures or the statutory powers.

1593
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: What government structures and strateutory powers are you talking about?

1594
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 23: Well, I'm talking about the fact that the Council is

1595
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 23: still the democratically elected council, that the Crown is still

1596
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 23: the democratically elected crown. Well, so that will ensure that

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Speaker 23: the positions of the Crown and the Council continue to

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 23: be represented effectively.

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Speaker 2: Whooped to do? It's co governance. It's a committee that

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01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 2: makes decisions. Fifty percent of it is tongue as if

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01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: you know a fifty percent is Crown and Council. That

1602
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 2: is co governance.

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 23: Well, look to anyone listening, it's out for consultation right now.

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01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: So why are you doing When you guys are elected,

1605
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 2: you came out against three waters. You came out against

1606
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: the new Roma and it was implicit in that that

1607
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 2: you guys were going to stop the co governors. So

1608
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: why is the same stuff happening under you guys?

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01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 23: Well, this relates to an Act of Parliament from two

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 23: thousand and eight which already sets up a deed and

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01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 23: Auckland Council are currently consulting on how they want to

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 23: give effect to that deed. No decisions have been made.

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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 23: People should have their say.

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01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 2: Are you cool with this?

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01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 23: Well, to be honest, heither. The first I heard of

1616
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 23: it was about half an hour ago when my press

1617
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 23: team said, either wants to ask you about this, so

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 23: I will be seeking to get more information about it

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01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 23: what they In.

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01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 2: That case, I feel slightly bad coming its hearted you

1621
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: as I have, but can you go away, have a

1622
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: look at it, take some advice, come back to me

1623
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: and let me know if your government is chill about this,

1624
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 2: because it would be a huge disappointment to me if

1625
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 2: you were. But while we're on the subject of things

1626
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 2: that we are discovering now, it seems to me that

1627
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: what you've given Winston is a picture of a train.

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: Is that what's happened?

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01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 23: As I said, look, I respect Winston's desire for privacy.

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 23: When I gave he told me that birthday, Oh he

1631
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 23: told you. Okay, yeah, Well then that's absolutely fine if

1632
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 23: he's revealed that information. Then I gave him a vintage

1633
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 23: poster from the railways from the seventies, and it's pretty cool.

1634
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: From his heyday. So the thing is, do you realize

1635
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: he hasn't even looked at it yet.

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01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 23: Well, he looked at it with me in front of him,

1637
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 23: but I don't think it's on display or anything.

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's soaked in because he said

1639
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: to me, oh, I was really busy and I was

1640
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: going to go out the door, and I haven't actually

1641
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: looked at it. So you might have to get him,

1642
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: might have to get him back there and looking at again.

1643
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 20: Do you know what I mean?

1644
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 23: Anyway, Well, I'm glad that he's got more important things

1645
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 23: to do than look at train posters. Hey, you can

1646
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 23: bet with the world as it is right.

1647
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: Listen on Winston, though, are you guys going to support

1648
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: this definition of a woman that he's putting into a

1649
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: member's bill.

1650
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 23: Well, look, we haven't taken that bill to caucus yet.

1651
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 23: Our practices that we decide our positions on bills as

1652
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 23: a team when bills are pulled from the ballot. For

1653
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 23: my part, what is a woman? Well, a woman is

1654
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 23: an adult human female. That's pretty clear to me. You'll

1655
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 23: be to live and let live person. So how people

1656
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 23: then choose to self identify, that's over to them. But

1657
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 23: the law often needs to be a bit more black

1658
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 23: and white than that, so it'll be just a matter

1659
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 23: of how does this actually apply to the law?

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01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: What im pat have Nichola, thank you for your time.

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: As always, we'll talk next week about co governance. That's

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01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: Nicola Willis, Finance Minister, seventeen past six.

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Speaker 2: Heather, could you tell us where to go and find

1668
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 2: the information about this co governance and where we can

1669
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: have our say. Look, I it's one of those things

1670
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: where it's like a proposal put out by Auckland Council.

1671
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: So good luck trying to google that. You're going to

1672
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: be googling til Kingdom come if you type into the

1673
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: Google search engine. Why targeting ranges democracy action. It will

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: bring up a hit for you.

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Speaker 22: Now.

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01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what democracy action is, and I'm not

1677
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: endorsing it. I am simply telling you I don't know

1678
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: what it is. I just want to say because people

1679
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: get very prickly about these weird things. So I'm just

1680
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 2: telling you where to go and find the information. You

1681
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 2: can go read it. It's got references. It will tell

1682
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: you everything that you need to know. We are going

1683
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 2: to talk to Niicola Willis about it next week, once

1684
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: he's actually gone and found out what the hell is

1685
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: going on here? Here the read the why target is

1686
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: in limited access. I don't care if the limited access

1687
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Speaker 2: is by some greedy landowner or by a foreigner, or

1688
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Speaker 2: by Mary, or by the government, et cetera, et cetera.

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01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 2: But to take away thirty five percent of access is

1690
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: a big deal and this needs to be blown up.

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 2: I would agree with that entirely. It's twenty past six

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 2: and with us right now fulling in for Jamie dun

1693
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay on the country is Rowenda Duncan, Hey, row Hey, Heather.

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Speaker 24: I've got a question for you. When do you change

1695
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 24: the batteries in your smoke ypes?

1696
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: No, did it go off in the night?

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 8: Did it?

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01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 24: It did three fourteen this morning in Jamie's house. In

1699
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 24: Jamie's house, I think he stitched me up. He said,

1700
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 24: look after the show, don't be too good, and I

1701
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 24: think he was a bit worried, says my smoke alarm

1702
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 24: to god.

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: Did you have a look?

1704
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: Right, here's the thing. Did you have a look whether

1705
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 2: it's one of those ones you changed the batteries in,

1706
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: or whether it's one of those ones with a permanent

1707
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: ten year battery.

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01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 24: It's a nine vault. It should have been changed at

1709
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 24: daylight saving, which has just happened.

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: Classic. Do you know what if his house burns down,

1711
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: none of us are going to feel sorry about it?

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01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 8: Eh?

1713
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: Did you change the battery for him?

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 25: Bro?

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 24: I will do that tonight. I'm about to walk to

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 24: the supermarket after I talk to you, because that's what

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01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 24: I do. Here about I get things done.

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01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: You keep that receipt and get a reimbursement. Now, what's

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: going on with the chicken exports?

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 24: So obviously last December we had our first case of

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Speaker 24: pathogenic avian influenza and Otago egg farm, thousands of chicken

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Speaker 24: were held. It was all really, really devastating. Thankfully the

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Speaker 24: outbreak was contained to one farm, and MPI have updated

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Speaker 24: us and said, you know, obviously when something like this happens,

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Speaker 24: you put a bit of a halt on exports, you

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Speaker 24: lose market access. But about around three hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 24: which is about seventy five percent of trade and poultry

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Speaker 24: products has been recovered and a spokesperson, Fatigel, who's one

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Speaker 24: of the major exporters, is several international markets and post

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Speaker 24: temporary restrictions, they've been working closely with MPI but they

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 24: are helping them regain access to those markets and now

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01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 24: it's only a couple that they still have access problems

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01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 24: being worked through. So a really good outcome for that,

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Speaker 24: because obviously the moment you have an issue in other

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Speaker 24: country is like, hey, we can feel that we've got

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Speaker 24: chickens to spare. Give us that access, and sometimes it

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 24: is really really hard to regain it. So well done

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Speaker 24: to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's happened on the farms over the weekend. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's just awful as well.

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Speaker 24: You know, we had two fatalities involving vehicles over the

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Speaker 24: weekend and I was chatting to the chair of Safer

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Speaker 24: Farms today Lindy Nelson, who explained that every farm deaf,

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01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 24: every tragedy, at least two hundred people are immediately affected,

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01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 24: and looking at it from a wider perspective, at least

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Speaker 24: three thousand people are involved. She said, there's multiple ways

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Speaker 24: of addressing this. Over the years, there's been different campaigns

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01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 24: Farm without Harm. That's one of the latest strategies to

1750
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 24: come out a couple of years ago. That's about coming

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Speaker 24: together collectively as farmers and the industry and recognizing that

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01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 24: we need to improve how we address farm safety. They've

1753
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 24: got she had resources on their website, genuine stories from farmers,

1754
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 24: what's worked for them, what hasn't. You know, where they've

1755
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 24: gone wrong, and what they've done to improve so that

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,480
Speaker 24: we can learn from the good and the bad examples.

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01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 24: But look, it's just it's absolutely devastating. No one goes

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 24: to work intending to get injured.

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Speaker 2: We all want to come home.

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Speaker 24: Safe at night. And she said, it's about assessing the resk,

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Speaker 24: looking at what's changed. We've had weather events over the weekend.

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 24: Sometimes when you go to work there's a new risk

1763
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 24: because it rained and it wasn't there yesterday. So it's

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Speaker 24: about thinking and changing how you think. And the one

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Speaker 24: thing that stuck out for me either as she said,

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Speaker 24: you know, talking about safety, it can make us feel uncomfortable,

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Speaker 24: but it's less uncomfortable than going to someone's funeral, and

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Speaker 24: that really sums it up.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Right, Hey, Roe, good luck with the smoke

1770
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Speaker 2: alarm this evening. That's Rowena Duncan filling in on the

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Speaker 2: country for Jamie Mackay six twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four, croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's heather due for Sea Elan with the business hour

1774
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Speaker 1: and mass insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 3: News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven pass six. Listen, here's a little heads up, okay,

1777
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Speaker 2: so I asked, I asked Roe what kind of smoke

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Speaker 2: alarm Jamie was rolling in his house because I didn't

1779
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: know this, and this is going to be helpful to you.

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Speaker 2: If you have those smoke alarms that's supposed to last

1781
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: ten years, right. We had a run of them recently

1782
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Speaker 2: where they were going off and they freaked the three

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01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 2: year old out so badly that he was struggling to

1784
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Speaker 2: go to slip because they were going off all over

1785
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Speaker 2: like it was bizarre. We had about four of them

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Speaker 2: going off in one month anyway. Somebody then told me,

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Speaker 2: so we had to go through this process of teaching him,

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Speaker 2: taking the smoke alung and outside with a hammer and

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Speaker 2: letting him smash it so that he could learn that

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01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: he had control over the smoke alarm and the smoke

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Speaker 2: alarm wasn't going to hurt him, and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: It was just a waste of a lot of money

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Speaker 2: in a kerfuffle. And then after the fact, somebody says

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Speaker 2: to me, oh, you know you've got to vacuum them.

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01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 2: Did you know you have to vacuum them. You have

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01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 2: to vacuum them. So when they're up there, you've got

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01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 2: to get your little vacum up and you've got to

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Speaker 2: get you to extended as long as again, otherwise the

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01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: dust gets in there and the ten year smoke thing

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Speaker 2: goes off all the time, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: they are all going off at exactly the same time.

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Speaker 2: So you are welcome. Hopefully that will get things sorted

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01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: out for you. Speaking of boomers on the phone, eh,

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01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: speaking of boomers on the phone, if we haven't got

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Speaker 2: the classic cake like the old The king of the

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01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: Boomers is Wayne Brown, who has today been fined one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars for doing the video call while

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: he was driving. Did you see this was one of

1809
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: my favorite things that happened when I was on maternity leave.

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01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: Wayne Brown calls into a council meeting, not just any

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Speaker 2: council meeting, the Transport Committee council meeting and then proceeds

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Speaker 2: to talk to a room of people on his video

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Speaker 2: call while driving, which everybody knows is against the rules,

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Speaker 2: but he does it anyway because he's a boomer, and

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01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: boomers do not think that the rules apply when they

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Speaker 2: have their cellphones there anyway. So he's cop to fine

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty bucks plus twenty demerit points. So

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01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: it's all been sorted out and he won't be doing

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Speaker 2: that anytime soon again. But watch out for a boomer

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Speaker 2: near you. One of them is going to pull that trick.

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Speaker 2: It's coming up to the headlines news talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Nther Duplicy, Allen

1824
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Speaker 1: and Mares Inssurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your

1825
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Speaker 1: future news talks vs.

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Speaker 3: The mass backorduity and run you me.

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Speaker 8: While I did.

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Speaker 2: Californ k hey d Brading is going to be with

1829
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Speaker 2: us out of the UK in about ten minutes time.

1830
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: The UK has revealed what Kiirstarma is going to be

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Speaker 2: talking with our Prime minister about. Apparently the Starma is

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Speaker 2: going to announce a deal worth thirty million pounds, which

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Speaker 2: is I think I think we did add about sixty

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Speaker 2: seven million New Zealand dollars, so fair chunk of change

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Speaker 2: for drones produced by CEOs Airspace, Sios Airspace something. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's a New Zealand company with a factory factory in Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: and so the UK government's going to be spending a

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Speaker 2: fair amount of money buying drones from one of our companies. Also,

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Speaker 2: Kiirstarmer and Christopher Luxen will instruct their defense ministers to

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Speaker 2: begin work on a new defense partnership between the UK

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Speaker 2: and New Zealand. So just a little bit of this

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff being announced at the moment. Twenty three

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Speaker 2: away from seven now got some positive trade news. Stat's

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Speaker 2: New Zealand data show that goods exports rose nineteen percent

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01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: to seven point six billion dollars in March. That's compared

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01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: to the same time a year ago. The monthly trade

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 2: balance is a surper of nine hundred and seventy million dollars,

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Speaker 2: which came higher than expected, and Inframetrics principal economist Nick

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Speaker 2: Brunsden is with us.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Nick, good here you doing.

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm very well thank you know. What's driven it higher

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01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: than we expected.

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Speaker 26: A range of things in terms of on the product size.

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Speaker 26: Dairy prices are a lot better, so you know, a

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01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 26: basic boost, and dairy price is acount for about half

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01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 26: of that. But prices are good across all sorts of

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01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 26: things that we export. Chemi fruit prices are pretty good.

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01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 26: Beef prices are holding up. High land recovering, so that's

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01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 26: already helped.

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Speaker 2: Is there any indication that we are managing to diverse

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Speaker 2: by our trade a little bit away from China, which

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Speaker 2: is what we've been trying to do for a while.

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Speaker 8: There is a little bit, yep.

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Speaker 26: So about half of our trade goes to the Big

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Speaker 26: three China, Australia and the US. Over the past year

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01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 26: we had a more than twenty percent increase to some

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Speaker 26: of our key partners, so the Netherlands, UK, Indonesia and Canada.

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Speaker 3: So that's really good.

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Speaker 26: But I think they've moved the dial from sort of

1870
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Speaker 26: fifty percent to fifty two percent.

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Speaker 3: So good stuff.

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Speaker 26: But you know we're going to he a lot more

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Speaker 26: of that diversification in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair point how the Trump tariff's going to

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Speaker 2: change what we're seeing here.

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Speaker 26: Directly for US.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's a hit.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I think it's something like nine hundred million dollars

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01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 26: for New Zealand. The bigger hit will come sort of

1880
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 26: indirectly through our trading partners. And obviously China is the

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 26: largest importer of our goods and they're looking at one

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01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 26: hundred and twenty five percent or depending on what day

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01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 26: of the week, it is a pretty big terror from

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Speaker 26: the US. So ultimately, if those tariffs make China poorer,

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01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 26: they won't be buying our great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Nick, Look, the thing is, I mean, we're obviously going

1887
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: to look at this and say, Yay, things are finally

1888
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: on the up and and everything is looking good. But

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01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: the fact is March is always a little bit better

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01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: as a month for US as a country. So should

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01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: we be should we be seeing this as the start

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01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 2: of a trend with just a monthly March blip, so

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Speaker 2: that even on.

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Speaker 26: An annual basis, the numbers are pretty good. So we

1895
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 26: had a seven percent increase in the year to March

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01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 26: over the whole year, so that's good. But yeah, the

1897
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 26: bigger picture is that global uncertainty that we're seeing around

1898
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 26: around tariffs around and sort of that knock on too,

1899
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 26: and we think they will sort of push out in

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Speaker 26: New Zealand's recovery by a couple of years. It's just

1901
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 26: it's not the kind of environment where anyone really wants

1902
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,480
Speaker 26: to invest. Everyone's kind of just sitting on the sidelines,

1903
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 26: and that's going to push Dow and gross brilliant stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Nick, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Nick

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Speaker 2: Brunsdon infametrics principal economists. See, whoa, I'm not trying to

1906
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: start a generational war here, boomers. So I'm getting to

1907
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 2: like Peter's coming hot. At least boomers know how to

1908
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 2: hold conversations, which is fair point. And we can spell

1909
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 2: this fair point, and we don't use American English, and

1910
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: that's a fair point as well. I love the boomers.

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01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: My mum's a boomer. She's a fantastic woman, by the way.

1912
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Speaker 2: And then he goes on to list all these awesome

1913
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: boomers like Steve jobs, tim Berner's Bill Gates blah blah blah,

1914
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: Bernersley by the way, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

1915
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: What has gen X added to the world? They were

1916
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: labeled gen X because they were boring?

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 7: Is that?

1919
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Speaker 2: And also I'm not gen X, so I'm not going

1920
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: to come to their defense because they actually are quite boring.

1921
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest about it. I'm not trying to start

1922
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Speaker 2: a generational war here. I love me every single piece

1923
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 2: of every single general that's going on. We all need

1924
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: each other to survive. I'm just pointing out. Look, we've

1925
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: all got foibles. Heaven, we like millennials like myself, wildly selfish,

1926
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: wildly selfish. I mean, we're obviously running the show at

1927
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 2: the moment, so you know, be careful, be kind to

1928
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: the millennials. But we've all got things. Those are the

1929
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 2: ones what are they called? The ones that are born

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Speaker 2: at the moment, And it's the ones who are just

1931
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: like that one Sam behind you. What's e It's like

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Speaker 2: an alpha ELSA.

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Speaker 11: Sorry, Heather, I've just got a bit of chatting studio

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Speaker 11: go again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what what what generation is saying?

1936
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Speaker 27: It goes gen X, and then we were Gen Y,

1937
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 27: and then we're millennials again, so we've lost that one,

1938
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 27: and then it's Gen Z and then the next one's

1939
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Speaker 27: Gen Alpha, so Resum will be gen Bravo after that.

1940
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

1941
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Speaker 2: So the alphas, I think are the ones that's starting at.

1942
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Speaker 11: The they're annoying. Are the ones who say skibbitty and

1943
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 11: they're all over tacked.

1944
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: After us, so annoying and like getting them to turn

1945
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 2: up to like they don't even want to work right.

1946
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: All of the generations have irritating problems. All I'm saying

1947
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: to the boomers is you're so close to perfection. If

1948
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: you could just get a handle on your phone use,

1949
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 2: it would make a really big difference to us, just

1950
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 2: not thinking you're not being annoyed by it because it's

1951
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: the only thing you're doing right.

1952
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Speaker 11: And this is what I'm going to say to the Burmers.

1953
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Speaker 2: Okay, Boomer, yeah, there's right. Everything else you're perfect, your perf.

1954
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 2: I love your attitude about coal. You like burn the coal,

1955
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 2: turn the lights.

1956
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Speaker 25: I love it.

1957
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 2: I love everything that you do. But I just just

1958
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: got to stop talking of the phones on speaker in public. Now,

1959
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: Margie Upper, Now what did I say to you last year,

1960
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: when I was on the show before I had the baby,

1961
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: I said, Margie Upp is going to be out of

1962
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: a job very soon, isn't she? Isn't she? And guess

1963
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 2: what happened? Margie Upper is out of a job, didn't she?

1964
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: So she finished in February. But do you want the

1965
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: latest on Margie Upper news. Margie's still getting paid, isn't she?

1966
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 2: So she's not working stopped in February. She's on a

1967
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 2: very pretty penny. She's on eight hundred and ninety five

1968
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year at least, because that was the

1969
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 2: last time we saw how much she was getting paid.

1970
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:49,839
Speaker 2: It might have gone up by them because of inflation,

1971
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 2: and Margie's awesome performance would have obviously got her a

1972
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: pay rise. But she's still getting paid all the way

1973
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 2: through to June because that's when her contract contract ends. Well,

1974
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 2: what's the point in that If we have to pay

1975
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Margie to June because her contract ends in June. Work

1976
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 2: the woman till June, do you know what I mean?

1977
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: Even if you just get her answering the phones, just

1978
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 2: get her tottering around like we're short staff at a

1979
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 2: health New Zealand. We could have found a job for Margie.

1980
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: She could have just been in orderly. We could have said, Margie,

1981
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 2: put on some gloves, go into the hospital, or just

1982
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 2: help them move the bodies, like just help them to

1983
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: push people, you know, like push people around or do something.

1984
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Clear the bed pans Margie, you're a nine hundred thousand

1985
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 2: dollars a year. You're going to be doing something for you. No,

1986
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: We're like, you can go home, don't worry, We'll keep

1987
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 2: paying you. And also, I'm paying for a governance course

1988
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 2: for her. That's part of her golden handshake. We were like, oh, yeah,

1989
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna leave, so or pay for now. I'm a

1990
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 2: little bit suspicious about this governance course because why would

1991
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 2: you pay for Margie to do a governance course unless

1992
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: Margie needs to be upskelled for her next job, which

1993
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 2: is coming from the government. That better not be the case.

1994
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: Or because if she's not good enough to help run

1995
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: Health New Zealand, then I don't think we need Margie

1996
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 2: anywhere else. But also, and this is not even the

1997
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 2: end of it. There was no resignation letter. Now what

1998
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: does that tell you? Madgie got secked seventeen away from seven.

1999
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 1: Everything from his sims to the big corporates, The Business

2000
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Me's insurance and investments,

2001
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future, Youth Talks Envy.

2002
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Fourteen Away from seven and Indo Brady is our UK

2003
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 2: correspondent this evening. Hey, Inda, Hey, Heather, good to speaking.

2004
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 3: And it's really not that long.

2005
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: Ago that King Charles saw the Pope for the last time,

2006
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: was it?

2007
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, less than two weeks So his words today even

2008
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 12: more poignant because you know, we were initially told that

2009
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 12: the King would not be visiting the Pope when he

2010
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 12: was in Italy on that state visit a fortnight ago,

2011
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 12: and then Charles reached out privately and the invitation came,

2012
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 12: and the feeling amongst Vatican officials was that Francis was

2013
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 12: well enough and up for it. And they met privately

2014
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 12: and Charles brought him the gift and they spent some

2015
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 12: time together, and obviously it was a very significant meeting

2016
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 12: because you got the global head of the wrong Catholic

2017
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 12: Church meeting the head of the Church of England, defender

2018
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 12: of the faith as Charles now is, and they had

2019
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 12: a wonderful time together and Charles just saying that he

2020
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 12: learned the news yesterday with a heavy heart. So I

2021
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 12: guess he looks back on that meeting two weeks ago

2022
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 12: and probably just thinks, I'm really glad.

2023
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: I went, yeah, Hey, listen, I'm on this business with

2024
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: the stand gans for the prisons. What are the chances

2025
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: that these get issued?

2026
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 12: I would say in the short term slim, but in

2027
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 12: the long term it probably will happen. This all has

2028
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 12: come about as a result of an incident involving one

2029
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 12: prisoner last week, very high profile guy. His brother was

2030
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 12: the Manchester bomber who killed loads of young people at

2031
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 12: that concert a few years back. This guy is called

2032
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 12: Hashim a baby. He's in prison and he had boiling

2033
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 12: oil which he threw on prison officers and then proceeded

2034
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 12: to stab people with a knife that he had fashioned.

2035
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 12: That of plastic disgusting behavior, and a lot of people

2036
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 12: just asking the question, why isn't this guy in solitary confinement,

2037
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 12: how as you got access to boiling oil. A lot

2038
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 12: of very very angry and rightly so prison officers. So

2039
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 12: the Prison Officers' Association has come out today and said

2040
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 12: it immediately wants stun guns issued to all officers. As

2041
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 12: it stands, in UK prisons. Right now you get an

2042
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 12: extendable baton and synthetic pepper spray to defend yourself against

2043
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 12: some of the most violent men in Europe.

2044
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair argument that you just made. Now,

2045
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 2: on this big Ukraine meeting in London tomorrow, what are

2046
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 2: we expecting.

2047
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 12: Well, the hope is for something that will convince Putin

2048
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 12: and Trump to push forward with a thirty day seasfire

2049
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 12: plan that they can actually bring the fighting to a stop.

2050
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 12: What Starmar is trying to do is to make Europe

2051
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 12: look organized. So, following on from the meeting in Paris

2052
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 12: last week, which we're told was very constructive, Zelenski will

2053
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 12: be in town tomorrow. We know Starmer's with your Prime

2054
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 12: Minister today and tomorrow as well, so we will have

2055
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 12: the UK, Ukraine, France, the United States. Marco Rubio is

2056
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 12: coming to town as well. So this is a big,

2057
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 12: big day tomorrow for Ukraine and it's badly needed. I mean,

2058
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 12: I've just got off a tube this morning in London

2059
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 12: and every morning I share the same tube carriage with

2060
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 12: the same young Ukrainian guys heading off to work on

2061
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 12: building sites and what have you. I mean, you look

2062
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 12: at the impact on people's lives. A ceasefire is badly, badly,

2063
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 12: badly needed.

2064
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Inda, thank you so much, appreciate it. May This

2065
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 2: is the end of Brady our UK corresponding. So there's

2066
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 2: this company in the US, right, it's called Steak and Shake.

2067
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 2: It's been around for a while. It's been around for

2068
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 2: about about ninety years or thereabouts. They have just announced

2069
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 2: they're going to RFK their fries. Now, what this means

2070
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 2: is that they are going to ditch the seed oil,

2071
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: you know, like cooking oil, normal cooking oil. They're going

2072
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: to ditch that now and they're going to start putting

2073
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: their fries into beef tello. And the reason that this

2074
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 2: has happened is because RFK, who's of course the US

2075
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Secretary of Health, it has been claiming that seed oils

2076
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 2: are poisoning Americans and he's asked for alternatives to be

2077
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: used in restaurant deep prize and so they've done it, right.

2078
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 2: So this is this is the thing that he if you,

2079
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: if you have been following what he's been saying. He

2080
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 2: told Fox News this last year. He said, it's not

2081
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 2: the fast food that Americans are eating that's making them unhealthy.

2082
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 2: It's the oil.

2083
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 25: I don't have anything against food I have. I'm against

2084
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 25: food that has seed oils. When I was a kid,

2085
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 25: McDonald's was made with talifat. I was good for you

2086
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 25: and your body needs that. It makes you hews these great.

2087
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 25: Why aren't we making you with tallefat again?

2088
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay? Now, I don't have any particular opinion on tallow fat.

2089
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I love me a little bit of animal fat,

2090
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 2: like I eat. I ate all the fat on the steak,

2091
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 2: and I will eat your fat on your steak as

2092
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 2: well if you don't eat it, And I will everybody's

2093
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 2: fat on their steak because it is the best bit

2094
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 2: of the steak. So I'm going to problem with the

2095
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 2: tallow fat, and I don't really have much of an

2096
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 2: opinion on the seed oils. I might google it later.

2097
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried about what rabbit hole it's

2098
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: going to take me down, But maybe if I've got

2099
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 2: some time, you know, later on, I might do it.

2100
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: But is it not bizarre to you? This has been

2101
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,560
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this for a little while. Is

2102
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 2: it weird to you that we take medical advice and

2103
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 2: health advice from a guy who sounds like that now,

2104
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 2: don't come at me with oh, don't be unkind to RFK.

2105
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 2: I know the story, but he.

2106
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 8: Does sound like this.

2107
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 25: I don't have anything against food. I have I'm against

2108
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 25: food that seat oils. When I was a kid, McDonald's

2109
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 25: was made with talifat. I was good for him and

2110
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 25: your body needs that. It makes you Hows why aren't

2111
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 25: we making you with talifat again?

2112
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: That's right. You know what you want to sound like that.

2113
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 2: Do what he says. It's just what That's what I

2114
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: would be thinking if I was listening. It's all I'm saying.

2115
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 2: Nine away from seven.

2116
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Speaker 1: It's the heather Toople s Allan Drive full Show podcast

2117
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebbi.

2118
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Speaker 2: By the way, yeah, no, it started. No, I shouldn't have.

2119
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said anything about RFK because I know,

2120
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 2: I know, I know that, I know that there are

2121
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 2: people who love the RFK and I love love hitting

2122
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: the rabbit holes. And now I'm getting all those texts

2123
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: I've started that, emn't I So anyway, I was asking

2124
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 2: for it. And by the way, I mentioned you on Thursday,

2125
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 2: keep an eye out for news about make Lundy and

2126
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 2: what happened. Like we were off How long were we

2127
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 2: off air for? Was it forty five minutes? I don't

2128
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 2: even know if I got home before the news came out.

2129
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Mac Lundy's out of jail, So Mark Lundy's out of jail.

2130
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 2: He's he's been let out. As I told you at

2131
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 2: the Toddy it what happened over the weekend got quite

2132
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 2: the list of parole conditions, though. I feel like, I

2133
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 2: don't know if you kept an eye on acause you're

2134
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 2: probably having a good Easter Thursday and then you started

2135
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 2: eating east eggs that you probably didn't pay any attention

2136
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 2: to the news. He is banned from one over two

2137
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 2: at ange Ti, K, Hastings or Nelson. He has a curfew.

2138
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 2: It will be electronically monitored. He cannot possess alcohol or

2139
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 2: drugs or use them. Can be tested at any time.

2140
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 2: Can't contact victims or their families. Has to tell his

2141
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 2: perrobation officer of any intimate related so it gets a

2142
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 2: girlfriend or you know, just pays for it. Whatever. He

2143
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 2: has to tell the just covering all the basis. He

2144
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 2: has to tell us probation officer. Also has to tell

2145
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 2: us probation officer if he finds any work not allowed

2146
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 2: on social media, not allowed on dating sites, not allowed

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Speaker 2: on porn, has to tell them all of his passwords,

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Speaker 2: has to let them look at the phone if they

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Speaker 2: want to. I mean, like, geez, do you want to,

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Speaker 2: Like if somebody said to you over you out of jail,

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Speaker 2: but this is all of the conditions, wouldn't you be like, nah,

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Speaker 2: just stay here, so do the stuff in here? They

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Speaker 2: don't know Nace is not a proper and then they

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Speaker 2: let him out and he's not allowed any media interviews,

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Speaker 2: so we're not going to hear from him unfortunately. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: That's that. Ants. You got a text, big head up,

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Speaker 2: heads up to ANTS for telling us about Coachella being

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Speaker 2: streamed live. US boomers worked out how to do it

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Speaker 2: and had a great time. Gaga was awesome, Paris' choreography, Ants.

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Speaker 11: Oh excellent. Yeah, I'm glad everyone enjoyed it. I'll tell

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Speaker 11: you what ituned in every year.

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Speaker 12: It's free.

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Speaker 27: It's really fun. They fill all the stages now, it's great.

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Speaker 27: This is not a Coacheller song, though this has lived

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Speaker 27: forever by Oasis because it has been voted the best

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Speaker 27: British song of all TIMEX did a did a big

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Speaker 27: promotion over in the UK and got all their listeners

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Speaker 27: to vote and apparently this is the best British song

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Speaker 27: of all times?

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Speaker 2: Is it given to me?

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Speaker 27: I mean the listeners are clearly excited for the Oasis

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Speaker 27: concert because at number three was slide Away, number five,

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Speaker 27: Champagne Souper and over and then Don't.

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Speaker 11: Look Back in Anger at number eight. So that's four

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Speaker 11: of the top ten more all Oasis songs.

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Speaker 8: But there you go.

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Speaker 2: It will be affected by that going on at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, stop it stop the text. Have you

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Speaker 2: seen him doing pull ups at seventy one?

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Speaker 22: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 2: I mean the guy is ripped. Look, let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: From the nick down it is a bay but he

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Speaker 2: does sound like that. Just say just saying okay. It

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Speaker 2: just hit me with the music, so I don't have

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Speaker 2: to deal with.

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Speaker 28: This text cinema and see them borrowsh.

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