1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Get a. It's Jerry here from the Heidechy Breakfast, just 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: letting you know that if you're listening to the podcast 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: but didn't know that we also do a live radio show, 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: we do. And if you're wondering how to find out 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: what frequency to listen to us in your area, just 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: text north or south as An Island to three four 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: eight three so you take you know. Now, stop talking. Sorry, 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: you're not meant to talk over to. Sorry, that is 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: a public service announcement. Sorry for people who are listening 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: to the podcast who don't know that we do a 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: radio show, well. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: If it's a public announcement, give them to send that 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: text alert out. 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Just get there. 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: Who was in charge of that, he's on the hot 16 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: button on that. He sends him out at three in 17 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: the morning. 18 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 3: Just get them to do that. 19 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Oh man. Milan Boris joins us on the podcast. 20 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: Good a, Milan, welcome along, Welcome, Thank you for having me. 21 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Oh it's nice to have you. We were in Texas 22 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: last week. Have you spent much time in Austin, Texas before? 23 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: I've been to Austin twice actually for the south by Southwest. Yeah. 24 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Oh, how good? 25 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 3: How good? 26 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: It is? 27 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: So good? 28 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, great city. Yeah, great here, great Folk Lane had 29 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: been before. I hadn't been before, but it's a it's 30 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: a place like a lot of those cities, especially in 31 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: the South. I've been to Memphis before and that's the 32 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: city of music, and you know Nashville as a city 33 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: of music, and I felt it lostin too. Weirdly enough, 34 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: the live music scene there is a live and well 35 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty live music venues in the city alone. 36 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Its nuts. 37 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: It's very electric there, you know, and it's a very deep, 38 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: deep kind of like scene I reckon, like very Americana 39 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: and also like alternative. 40 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and hepsterish and yeah. Just every bar has 41 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: a stage, you know what I mean, like like dive 42 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: bars everywhere that they're all set up just to have 43 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: a band come in and just plug in and away 44 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: you go. 45 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: Yep. 46 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: It was a great time. But while we're there, we 47 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: got an emergency notice text message. 48 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: That's right, we did where you go so on on. 49 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, I always just assumed that you just get 50 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: it because in New Zealand service provider you only get 51 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: New Zealand. But we got one for a missing child. Yeah, 52 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: at like nine in the morning. It's like and I 53 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: was like looking and it's like a child has been 54 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: thought that they've been abducted from some time, Like, whoa. 55 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: That's frightening. That's awful. 56 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: I know it was awful, but then also we're in 57 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: Texas and there must be worse things going on than 58 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: an abductive child in Texas at that time. But they 59 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: chose to send us a message and the targeted it 60 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: just us. Are we are we being profiled? 61 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: Well? The weird thing was that same day in Texas 62 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: someone was put to death via lethal injection for some 63 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: you knows murder that they committed. I'm like, yeah, I 64 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: was the same. I thought, surely there's there's terrible things 65 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: going on in the state, like heaps of them. So anyway, 66 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: thanks for coming in in front of you. You might 67 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: see there's some strips of wax. 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: That's your back here, isn't it. 69 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my back bush. 70 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was like shaped as a train. 71 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: Look yeah, I mean it was a map of Tasmania. 72 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: I haven't got any photos on my phone, so I 73 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: have deleted them all, but I'll show you before and 74 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: after that. 75 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a crime that you were running that 76 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: thing in the first place. 77 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: To and like and Milan, I'm going to look. I 78 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: don't often flow throw my partner under the bus, but 79 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: she could have made me aware of what was going 80 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: on back there, but she didn't, purely because I think 81 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: she maybe enjoyed the fact. 82 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: That's a classic. 83 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. 84 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: It's a proper I mean it's an old school bush. Yeah. 85 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: It's also got a bit of a heart shape to it. 86 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Well, well that was because my partner, Tolsi, actually shaved 87 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: that into his back while we were in Texas. A 88 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: lot went on in Austin. It was a terrifying moment. 89 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: A lot went on in Austin. 90 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean growing up and Papa Cuta in 91 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, you would have seen plenty of bush. 92 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: A lot of bush. Yeah, yep, yep. 93 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, what yeah paints a picture of Papacuda growing up 94 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: in the eighties, in the eighties or the seventies, eighties. 95 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: Seventies and eighties, it was you know, it was very eclectic, 96 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: you know, like full of full of spunk and virility. 97 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: You know, it was you know, it was. It was 98 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: a good place to grow up. I grew up on 99 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: a farm out in Park State Road, so that that 100 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: that was pretty cool. So, but I had to walk 101 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: past Park State School, which was also a bit of 102 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: a struggle because I went to Saint Mary's and I 103 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: was wearing a green uniform and yeah, these guys were 104 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: mufty and you know, clashed. 105 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: It's there to target on your back as it was. Yeah, 106 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: what music was playing in the in the Borisch household? 107 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: Mainly beatles are Bill Lives a little bit. My father 108 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: loved Bill Lives, So beatles mainly, that's about it, and 109 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: some Deli music. 110 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: It was a musical household that you grew up on, though, 111 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: wasn't it? 112 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: It was? 113 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, because your family were very musical. 114 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: My mother was music. My mother was exceptionally musical. 115 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: What was what was what were her musical talents? 116 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: Singing? 117 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Right? 118 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was a singer and her sister and 119 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: then their father was also a singer. 120 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: Wow. And I'm always interested in this because I wonder, 121 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, and you as a musician growing up with 122 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, being around musicians all your life. Are there 123 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: any ever any musicians that sort of appear out of 124 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: non musical families or is it is it a little 125 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: bit like a sporting Is it a genetic thing? 126 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: I'd say partially genetic, and also you know luck is involved, 127 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: but also but then there's sorry, excuse me. Also there's 128 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: a desire to lift yourself up out of you know, 129 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: certain places like Buppacuta. So I really wanted to get 130 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: myself out of Pablakuda. So I thought one of the 131 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: avenues would be music pulsively. 132 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Right, But it was also for you. I know, you're 133 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: a child star. You're originally attracted perhaps to the to 134 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: the well. 135 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 3: I mean that was accidental because being Croatian. I went 136 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: to the Dalmatian Cultural Society and they were looking for 137 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: del kids for this role. And then they came there 138 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: and they asked, you know, could we get some kids 139 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: to audition, And so I was one of the kids 140 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 3: that was picked, and I went for the audition and 141 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: landed the role. I mean, it wasn't really something I 142 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: was looking for, but I just kind of landed in 143 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: my lap. 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: Okay, So you wouldn't describe yourself as an attention seeker 145 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: as a child. 146 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I was, yeah, yeah, constantly doing things to 147 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: attract attention. I used to dress up and you know, 148 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: make a fool of myself, and also I would get 149 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: into trouble a lot. I would. My father thought I 150 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: was very accident prone, and he was accurate. I was 151 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: extremely accident. 152 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Prone, right, okay, yeah, And so when did you decide 153 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: then that you were going to be a proper musician? 154 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: Was what? Was there? A moment? 155 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: There was a moment, and the moment it was actually 156 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: I spoke about this before. It was when Tim and 157 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: I we used to surf together. So thirteen fourteen, we 158 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: were around a campfire with a few other surfers and 159 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: I think it was Gusy, and we started playing the 160 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: Honeypuffs song, you know, stay Fish. Yeah, yeah, someone was 161 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: playing the guitar. We're all singing it, and I thought 162 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: to myself, ship man, we got this. We can do 163 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: it a hundred buffs. 164 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds very Jack Johnson sitting around a fire a 165 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: bunch of distance here. 166 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: So that was the moment. 167 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: So did you ever play that? Did Pluto ever play 168 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: that song? No? 169 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: But I wish we did. We might play for the 170 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: show coming up. We'll see, We'll see how we'll go. 171 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: So tell us about Pluto. 172 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: You've read you guys have released some amazing songs, legacy 173 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: that still carries on. 174 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: How did it all start. How did Pluto will start? Well, 175 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: that's okay. So when I when I left school, I 176 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: left Saint Peter's. I decided I wanted to go to 177 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: sae and learn how to become an audio engineer. But 178 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: really the desire there was to get into a studio 179 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: where we were able to just record whatever you wanted to. 180 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: So Tim also moved up from Wellington and he went 181 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: to SAEH and so I decided to leave school and 182 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: join them. So that's when it kind of that's when 183 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: it all happened. 184 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: So becoming like an engineer was just a vehicle for 185 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: you to be able to use the studio. 186 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, but you kind of that was 187 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: the way it was though in those days, because you 188 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: weren't I mean, you might have an eight track or 189 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: a four track. You could possibly record at home somehow, 190 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: but it was hard. 191 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: It was much more difficult. I mean, the Tall Dwarfs 192 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: did it really well on four tracks, and we tried 193 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: to emulate that as well, and then Elliott Smith was 194 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: doing it, but he was just a genius, and we tried. 195 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: Tim and I were pretty good at the four track, 196 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: but we really wanted to get into a bigger studio, 197 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: and that was the way to do it. I mean, 198 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: both Tim and I were in the same class, and 199 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: things happened. I kind of got banned from using the 200 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: studio in the end. 201 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: So they got none of the fact that you know, 202 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: three hours hours was used for I think. 203 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: He didn't like me much to the guy at the 204 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 3: head of it. But that's okay. But so like the 205 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 3: band that I had recording, because we'd have overnight sessions, 206 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: they left the back door open, and if you ever 207 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: let the back door open, you get suspended from using 208 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: the studio. That's what happened to me. Well, okay, it 209 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: was accident. 210 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: So oftentimes you find, like musicians or artists or you know, 211 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: it might be even television makers whatever, that you you 212 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: make stuff as a response to something that you either 213 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: dislike or you don't like inside of where you are. 214 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: I know that was a case of what I was 215 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: doing when we were making TV. It was we thought 216 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: that this type of TV was ship and so it 217 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: was sort of making it a response that the New 218 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: Zealand music scene, when when Pluto came along, was was 219 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: it was an interesting zone. It hadn't kind of had 220 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: its renaissance at that point. How did how did you 221 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: feel about the New Zealand music scene when when Pluto 222 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: were just starting to crank up. 223 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: Well, and be honest, okay, I thought it lacked a 224 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: little bit of grit and and a little bit of 225 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 3: like kind of depth, but not not in the sense 226 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: of the musicality or the song writing. I think more 227 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: of the production side that I thought that it was lacking. 228 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: But that's just from a personal perspective. But I was 229 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: listening to when when I was in London, our drama 230 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: brought over a tape and it was Darcy Clay and 231 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: that just blew my mind. I was like, Wow, this 232 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: guy's Kiwi And it was like, holy ship, I've got 233 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,119 Speaker 3: to I've got to do better. I've got to be better. 234 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: More in the in the way that I mean. It 235 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: was a unique sound that does it closed out? But 236 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: what and it's rawn us and what was. 237 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 3: It and it's honesty and it's just kind of it 238 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: was pure. It was pure music to me. It was 239 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: you couldn't and it also it was like had no boundaries. 240 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: I didn't I could not tell that it came from 241 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: in z like normally you can go that that's it, 242 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: that's Kiwi. 243 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: Was it the York Street drum sound? Was that the 244 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Was it the specific drum sound that was coming out 245 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,239 Speaker 1: of York Street in the in the mid ninety nineties 246 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: may have been, isn't what that drum was? 247 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 3: Just it's the live room. They want that big, huge, 248 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: live kind of room sound. And I wasn't into it. 249 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: No, because I always think that drums for me, it 250 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: either sounds really good or if it sounds really good, 251 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: you kind of don't notice it. Yeah, if it sounds bad, 252 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: do you think something's going off? Something's going wrong here? 253 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: And especially with drums and bass, if they don't lock 254 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: in the way you want to, it's gonna sound terrible. 255 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: So in terms of the rock and roll lifestyle, we 256 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: need to take a break and we'll come back with 257 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the rock and roll lifestyle. And just a moment, we're 258 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: talking to Milan Borich from Pluto. They are reuniting for 259 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 1: a show at Double Whammy and Auckland on Saturday, the 260 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: eighth of November to celebrate the twentieth anniversary of Pipeline 261 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: under the Ocean. They're also reissuing that on double vinyl 262 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: for the first time ever, which features a whole lot 263 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: of original tracks and also five previously unreleased songs from 264 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: the band's vault. So when things kicked off for Pluto, 265 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking early two thousands. 266 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: Yes, we. 267 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: Now know that you guys really got stuck into a 268 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: good dose of the rock and roll lifestyle. Was it 269 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: rock and roll lifestyle from the start? Or was the 270 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: rock and roll I saw a. 271 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: Slow creep and it was actually there early early on 272 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 3: in before Pluto came about. Like I went through the 273 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: Ringer late prior to actually recording the first record, so 274 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: that was in London, came back, cleaned up, and then 275 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: recorded the first record in nineteen ninety nine was Clean Living, 276 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: and then I think about two or three years into 277 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: it just started to get a bit dirty again. 278 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Right. A lot of people, I'm sure agree with me, 279 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: But I'm fascinated by this part of things because I watched, 280 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, I bought that first Pluto album. I watched 281 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: it all unfold from the sidelines, and it seemed like 282 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: something interesting was happening. I didn't know exactly what was 283 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: going on, But tell us about the beginnings, the beginnings 284 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: of all of that, the beginnings of the debauchery. 285 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: So do you want them in the beginning all the. 286 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Well on the first half of the second half, I 287 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: mean the beginnings of it, because there must have been 288 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: some fun. It always starts worth fun and exploration, doesn't it. 289 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: It does, Yeah, yeah, I mean I was really into 290 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: Altered States and the books I was reading, the music 291 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: I was listening to. It was just it was a 292 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: destination that I was always going to go to. So 293 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: I really really was experimenting and went to a country 294 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: that I could could easily get lost in experiment, like 295 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: as much as I want, with you know, no boundaries, 296 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: no one to tell me to put my head in. 297 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: So I went there and I went there hard, and 298 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: I got lost, and I got in trouble, and it 299 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: was years of addiction, and then I just decided in 300 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine to run away from it all from 301 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: London back to New Zealand, and with the help of 302 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: my parents, I pulled through that cold Turkey. And then 303 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: Tim was also back here and we started kind of 304 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: collecting the songs that we had written in London and 305 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: songs that we started writing again in New Zealand, and 306 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: so we wrote Hey Little when I got back from London, 307 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: and then we decided we had enough songs and would 308 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: borrow some money and go into Helen Young. And so 309 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: we went into Helen Young with Nick Cabot and then 310 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: met Matthias. Matthias played piano for us on that record, 311 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: and that was that, and we recorded the first kind 312 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: of the first like kind of group of recordings for 313 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: that record, and then Mike and Mike came about and 314 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: we finished off that record and then released it in 315 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: two thousand, I think two thousand and one. 316 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: So all of that stuff was, all of that addiction 317 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: stuff was happening as early as the nineties. 318 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: Yeap, nineteen ninety five, I think it was reality. Yeah. 319 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: For me, you went out to the UK and you thought, 320 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm going to get on the. 321 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: Smack pretty much pretty much. I was searching for it 322 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: for a very long time. So and if you. 323 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Can't find it in New Zealand, no you can't. 324 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: You know, you can find poppy tea, but that's about it. 325 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: You know, maybe some pills. I'm not sure, but actually 326 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: I am sure, but excuse me. But yeah, So I 327 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: decided to go over there. My brother was living there, 328 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: and I turned up in London and I was like 329 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: a kid in a candy store. It was just it 330 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: was there for me. 331 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, in London's like that. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's 332 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot of opportunities. 333 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: Although it was hard to find find the heroine. So 334 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: the first place I found that was in Zagreb in Croatia. 335 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: So I was there with my brother and Tim, and 336 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: it was just kind of like the civil war was 337 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: kind of you know, simmering down, but it was still 338 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: some pockets of fighting. And so we're there and my 339 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: brother had some friends, these young kids, and they were 340 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: able to procure what I was looking for. 341 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, did you did you ask you spotted some 342 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: kids and you thought you saw yourself? Well those guys. 343 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was very good at spotting that yeah, yeah, 344 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: very good at spotting. 345 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, uh and then so you found But I 346 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: always wondered about this because it's not a drug that 347 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: for some reason ever entered into my sphere. Because I 348 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: imagine this, it seems like there's a lot of there's 349 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: a lot of hula below going on. You've got to 350 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: you've got to have you know, syringers and all sorts 351 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: of gotta Yeah, I've seen it on films before. There's spoons, 352 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: there's there's heating up of things. It's like, how the 353 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: hell do you know? What the hell are you doing? 354 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there is a ritual to it. But when 355 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: when I was in Zagreb, that was a bit different. 356 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: That wasn't we had none of that. It was mainly 357 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: just up the nose. Oh yeah, so that was that. 358 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 3: That was the first time. It was when I got 359 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: back to London and I kept on that I needed 360 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: to actually find it again, right, and then I located 361 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: it at the Purple I think it was the Purple 362 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: Turtle in Camden, so no, so yeah, in Camden, I 363 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: think the Purple Turtle, and I found a guy called Max. 364 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: He was Spanish and he took me back to his 365 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: house and he had all the fits and everything right, 366 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: so I actually he taught me what to do and 367 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 3: he set me up and and put me on my 368 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: first kind of journey. 369 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: And a smack university. He was running pretty much. 370 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah wow, because because did you even with with snorting heroine, 371 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: do you get addicted to heroin? Even by snorting it? 372 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: You're really smoking a snorting it and. 373 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: You felt you felt that initiate it was. It was 374 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: that fast, the addiction. 375 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: It was just it's what it did for me, it's 376 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: it kind of it just blocked out everything. I did 377 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 3: not have any fear, I did not have any anxiety anymore, 378 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: any noise. It was just like I was at peace, 379 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: and I thought this was exactly where I wanted to be. 380 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Right, and you and you didn't know the tales of 381 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: what had happened before, people who thought themselves, you know 382 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: what this is me? 383 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: I thought I was. I thought I was immune to that. 384 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 2: You were going to be the one. Yeah, you're going 385 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: to be the one, the special one, and so did 386 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 2: how and so musically through that period, you're still writing songs, 387 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: You're still playing yeah, yeah, prolifically. 388 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. This is the problem. Yeh Yeah, this is the issue, 389 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? Is that it's particularly that drug particularly 390 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: is good for writing music. 391 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: It seemed to be like I thought it was. Yeah, 392 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: I thought it was. I mean, was it maybe? But 393 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: I mean did I need it? Maybe not? I don't know. Yeah, 394 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: you know, like I don't. 395 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: The songs you think, well, the songs probably would have 396 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: come to you anyway. 397 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: I think. So, I don't want to condone that that was, 398 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: you know, made me a good writer, because I don't 399 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: think it did. It made me a good addict. Yeah, 400 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: like a writer I was. I think I was always 401 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: going to be a good writer, Yeah, regardless of what 402 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 3: I was consuming. 403 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you of the belief that the songs exist 404 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: and in the ether and somewhere and you just have 405 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: to be open to gathering them? 406 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: And that could be one of the things that that 407 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: is good with kind of Olden states. It does open 408 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: up your supposed third eye and you can actually kind 409 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: of grab that stuff out of the ether, you know, 410 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 3: Like I mean, songs used to just come to me 411 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 3: out of nowhere, and I would I wouldn't even have 412 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: to write out lyrics. I could play my my core 413 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: progression and the lyrics would just come out immediately. 414 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. And then you've come back and you're probably 415 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: quite a different person to a lot of your friends 416 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: that you were hanging out with than when you left. 417 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: They would have noticed that Milan's kind of changed a 418 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: bit here. 419 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd lost a lot of idea, right okay, Yeah, 420 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: I didn't look very well. 421 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: Right Okay. And then so your friends have sort of 422 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: I imagine at that time, were they talking to you about 423 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: what was going on? Were you telling them? Were you 424 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: telling people what was going on were you keeping it 425 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: all secret? 426 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: I kept it pretty secret, like Tim. Tim was my confident, 427 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: like he was my best friend, and so he knew 428 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: everything about it like you. Also he was also there 429 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: experiencing it with me at the time in London care 430 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: He was in London with me, and then he left 431 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: London earlier. But yeah, was the one I told everything too. 432 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, And when you got back to New Zealand 433 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: then and all of a sudden you realize that, you know, 434 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: you can't meet that guy at Camden and none of 435 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: that's kind of available. What happens at that point. 436 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: Well, that was when you had to get a little 437 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: bit more experimental. And that was just like the you know, 438 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: go to the bulpins with poppy seeds and that kind 439 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: of thing. 440 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: Does that does that? Does that work? Does that work? 441 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: Though not? I mean it does work. 442 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they've got ridden in those bulbs. They've 443 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 3: got rid of them. 444 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: I always used to I was confused. My my grandmother 445 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: used to grow poppies out the front of her house 446 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: in Mount Monganui and says that flower that all disappeared. 447 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: Yep, that works. That you chop off the bulbs and 448 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 3: you get them into a part and that works as well. 449 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: When it really that really works, it works. She was 450 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: hope was to confused. I didn't want to break it 451 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: to her that there was dudes getting high on your 452 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: poppies works. 453 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. On the my next door neighbor used to have 454 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: garden shows. They had her when I was growing up. 455 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: There this crazily beautiful garden next door. And during the 456 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: garden shows there used to be some younger people who 457 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: didn't really look like they'd be that interested in gardens, 458 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: certainly not the Trinity Garden show full of old people, 459 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: and they'd be wandering around just basically scope it. And 460 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: then my mum was walking up to get the paper 461 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: one morning on a Saturday morning and she saw a 462 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: she's noticed a bit of a rustling, and because our 463 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: driveway went up through beside their property and she noted 464 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: a rustling and there were two guys down and down 465 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: on the bushes, the grabbing the poppies from missus cox 466 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: garden next door. 467 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 2: Hey, so you come back from London, cold Turkey, sober up, 468 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: and that's when you release pipeline under the ocean, Is 469 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: that right? What's the timeline there? 470 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: So the timeline I sobered up like ninety nine through 471 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: to about two thousand and two, two thousand and three. 472 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: Well, you would have thought I'm going pretty well here 473 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: I did. 474 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 3: I was doing very very well. Yeah, and then I 475 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 3: started traveling a bit more. I got a drumming gig, 476 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: started traveling a bit more. Of that was going to Australia, 477 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: and then that was when I kind of discovered Heroin 478 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: in Australia in a Melbourne so it was easy to 479 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 3: cop over there. So that's I started having little spats 480 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: of kind of I called them kind of my Heroin holidays. 481 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: So I'd do that and I'd come back and I'd 482 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: be fine. I'd come off it again and it was manageable. 483 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: And then we started writing and recording for Pipeline and 484 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: the Ocean, and then through an old legend drummer he 485 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: kind of who was buying pearls of someone in the scene. 486 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: He put me onto a guy that was able to 487 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 3: procure what I wanted and then it all started started again. 488 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: And this is in New Zealand. Yeah, oh wow, okay, right, 489 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: So during the time, you know, in terms of your 490 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: own psychology, were you feeling. 491 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: Like things were did you feel. 492 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: Like in trouble mentally or or you felt like it 493 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: was just that was just the story of Milan Borich 494 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: at the time. 495 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of thought this was my identity and 496 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: you know what I needed. I thought I needed it, 497 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: and and that wasn't right. I didn't need it. I just, 498 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: you know, in my own mind, believed that I did 499 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 3: need it and I wanted it, So I thought it 500 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 3: was it made me. I thought it made me impenetrable, 501 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: you know, impervious to you know, any kind of outside 502 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: influence or outside kind of opinions about myself. So I 503 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: just I just thought it was the right thing to do. 504 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: And if there was there was a movie being made 505 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: in the second at the end of the second act, 506 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: there there would reach a low point normally in this situation, 507 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: what what was that low point for you? 508 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: Are? The low points were all my relationships with my family, 509 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: my friends, especially the band, and and and I mean 510 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 3: my relationship with my father was suffering as well, because 511 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: he was a pharmacist, so he could see exactly what's 512 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: going on with me. So it really did take its 513 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: toll there. And I was my behavior was awful, and 514 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: my emotions were you know, volatile, to say the least, 515 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 3: So it was. It was. Yeah, it was a hard 516 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: time for me, and it was very very, very very sick. 517 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: Right, and then if some friends close to you said, right, that's. 518 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 3: Enough of that, they did, but it didn't change anything. 519 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: It had to come from me. So so I went 520 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: and got onto the methadone program pretty pretty quick, okay, 521 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: just to try and mitigate the whole kind of searching 522 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 3: for the drug. 523 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: What happens there. 524 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: Are that as you get tested to see how much 525 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: heroin's in your system, and then they say, okay, you 526 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: are you know, you can actually get on the program 527 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: now because you have this much in your system. And 528 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 3: so that's what happens, and then you're on that kind 529 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: of book for as long as you want. Okay, Yeah, 530 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 3: it's pretty horrible, is that? It's pretty horrendous. Yeah, it's 531 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: worse than heroin. 532 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: So what is it? Is it a tablet? Is it 533 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: just a pill? A liquid? Right? 534 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: And you just take it like a cough medicine or 535 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: pretty much? 536 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got to turn up every day for 537 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: it because they wouldn't give you a whole lot at once, 538 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: would they. 539 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you had to turn up every morning at 540 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 3: the pharmacy, which is also it's kind of it's just 541 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 3: shameful as well. It's a little bit humiliating him to Ye, 542 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: it's really awful. 543 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't you go in that situation? Because I think 544 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: I've seen people. I've got a pharma seat through from me, 545 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: and I think I've seen people turning up for it. 546 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: I've been in there early in the morning and the 547 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: people are ready to go in the morning. They are 548 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: like right there at the door. And I thought to myself, 549 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't you just go? What the what is it like? 550 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: Five days of like pain, like five days. 551 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: Of cold, full cold turkey, Because how long does a 552 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: cold turkey take? 553 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 3: It can take two weeks. Two weeks, it can take it, 554 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: but the worst part is the first week, but then 555 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: the second kind of the second week is diabolical to it. 556 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: That's like the struggle to really be motivated to keep breathing. 557 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: Oh really, it's pretty Oh that sounds grim. 558 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: That's you can't sleep, you can't eat, you can't really 559 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 3: do anything, and. 560 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: You can't sort of distract yourself by like I don't know, no, 561 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: there's not taking something else. 562 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 3: Oh you could, but then you just can't. 563 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: Euro fine or something Europe plus. 564 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe no, it doesn't work. Oh well, I'm glad 565 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 3: you're here. 566 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, jeez, that sounds it sounds Jesus fascinating. 567 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fascinating story. Obviously, it's you, it's 568 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: your life. It's not a story, it's it's you live 569 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: the experience and now. So obviously, then then you put 570 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: out pipeline under the ocean. That goes well, it does. Now, 571 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: when you listen to the songs, how do you feel 572 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: about the Because you might be cruising, you might be 573 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: in the supermarket and hear some of those songs, how 574 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: do you feel about this? How do you feel about 575 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: the songs? Now? Are you about to perform them from 576 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: from start to finish? 577 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: I mean, I love I love the songs. I don't 578 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 3: particularly go out and play the songs for myself. And 579 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: when I hear someone else put the song on. Let's 580 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: let's say I'm at the gym and I'm training and 581 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: someone puts my song on, I do not want to 582 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: hear it. I tell them to immediately. I don't want 583 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: to hear that. 584 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: But that you don't want to hear what is it 585 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: that you don't want to hear about it? 586 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: You know when you you know, when you listen back 587 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: to your own voice, your first recording of it, and 588 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, who is that? I just 589 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: please shut up. 590 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: It's a bit like listening looking seeing Jeremy listen to 591 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: his own voice at the start of this podcast. 592 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't hear the weird thing is that just because 593 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: the way I pronounced something, and that annoys me. But 594 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: I if I see myself on TV or something like that, 595 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't see myself. 596 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: It's not me. So you can get right. You can 597 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 3: just associate yourself. 598 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: I have a full disassociation experience. I now look at myself, robots, 599 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: some character Jeremy Wells just more for you, but that 600 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: I know that I have a relationship with that person, 601 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: but that's not really me. 602 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: That's a good way of doing it. 603 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: That's anyway I can get through. 604 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: I can't. The only way I can do it is 605 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: to not actually listen or not look at it. Like 606 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: everything I've done recently, I'm like, I don't want to 607 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: hear it, don't want to look at it. My wife 608 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: do that? 609 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, how was it? 610 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: Doing it? 611 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: Was good? I know people who can't stop listening to themselves. 612 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people like that. 613 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: I can't. I find quite strange. But sometimes I wonder 614 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: whether that's part whether you have to do that to 615 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: get better. 616 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: Yes, yep, that is, that is part of it for sure. 617 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I haven't gone. 618 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: My problem. 619 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: I can't listen to any podcasts or radio broadcasts, even 620 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: when an ad comes on or a promo with my voice, 621 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: I'm exactly that. 622 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that weird. But when you first hear yourself 623 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: and you go, isn't that what I thought? I sounded normal? 624 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: That's so bad. I sound like a weirdo. Yeah. Yeah. 625 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: So what's how's everything going with the band now? You 626 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: guys have come back together again. Well, you've always been friends. 627 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: And stuff, close close brothers. Yeah, you know, we're like family. 628 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, really really good. So it's it's it's been 629 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: fun actually getting back together and playing the songs and 630 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: and and the entirety of the record. We did it 631 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: for the first time a few weeks ago, and it 632 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 3: was super fun. Yeah. We just couldn't stop laughing. Really. 633 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you got all the keys worked out and 634 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: stuff like that. With de tuning to certain things, there's 635 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: no arguments over what was meant to be in the 636 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: first place. 637 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: No, No, I try to keep all the keys pure 638 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: and the way they were. I don't really change the 639 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: keys of songs that I do, even in Zipplin. I 640 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: don't do it like you know, I just punish myself. 641 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: So when you say Zipplin, so you touched on that 642 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: it's to come together kind of phenomenon. That's been what 643 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: two or three years now of five years of doing it. 644 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: Five years. 645 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to us about that. 646 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: Well, I did that. The first time I got that 647 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: job was we were doing they were doing Romeo and 648 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: Juliet and I think John Touga was on that one 649 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: as well, and I got asked randomly, I think through 650 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: Joel m'holland and Simone, and they reached out to me 651 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: and said do you want to do this? And I 652 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 3: said absolutely, and I did, and then there was a 653 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: song on there. There was a rap song on the 654 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: Romeo and Juliet soundtrack, and they said do you want 655 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: to do this as well? And I'm like, I don't 656 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: really rap, and but no one else was going to 657 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: do it, so yeah, but I ended up rapping. 658 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, interesting. 659 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I nailed that and so I got the 660 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: job and it's been five years in but also Mike, 661 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 3: Mike Hall and Matthias Jordan, they're both involved in they 662 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: come together yeah, and so it's like, you know, three 663 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: fists of Pluto. 664 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: So explain to come together like what it is because 665 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: basically every year, different artists or different artists a different albums, 666 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: different album yeah, and everyone comes together from various bands 667 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: and genres. 668 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and about five generally five singers from yeah, 669 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: from different parts of New Zealand, and we all get together. 670 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: We collate like what what songs each each singer is 671 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: going to do, and the band has the grueling job 672 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: of learning like forty songs generally forty, yeah, sometimes forty songs, 673 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, like especially when they're doing the Beatles and 674 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 3: like that those albums. And then and then we go 675 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: out and do him live and we do three shows. 676 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 3: We do Wellington, christ Church and Auckland and before the 677 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 3: week before we only have three days to rehearse as 678 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 3: a band. 679 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: And must have been led Zepplin. Must have been challenging 680 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: because Robert Plant's got some pretty he's got some he's 681 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: got some pretty high notes. 682 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: He's got some high notes he's got some pipes on them. 683 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 684 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can see high I can, I can. 685 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gifted with the you're gifted with the high range. 686 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 3: I am yep, yep, I give it. I give it 687 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: a good crack. 688 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: And in terms of because I always interested in people 689 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: and singers, how voices change and develop over the years 690 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, because I guess you're always stretching 691 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: that muscle, so you've not lost you know, you never 692 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: lose that. You never lose it if you keep going. 693 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: Is that the way that it works? You arranged all 694 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: the same as what it always was. 695 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: It is, And I was future preofing. I wasn't doing 696 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: stretching too much of an open voice. It was quite 697 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: a bit of head voice in falsetto. So I can 698 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: still hit those notes. You know, I'm not doing anything 699 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: like Vince Neil or you know those you heard them recently. 700 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: No, that's pretty pretty really listen to it. 701 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that those guys were not future proofingly well. 702 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: I actually I saw Guns and Roses a couple of 703 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: years ago, and x Or Rose is it's yeah, it's 704 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: not great, an it's not great, but his voice was 705 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: so amazing for a while they was so unique. Yeah, 706 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: it couldn't keep going. 707 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 3: No like that, especially when you're playing so many shows 708 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: like that and just blowing it like like Robert Plant 709 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: as well. His voice started changing pretty early on as well, 710 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: because they're two schedules so insane that he'd just been 711 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 3: blowing his voice out every single night, and so I 712 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: think seventy three it just started getting a little bit 713 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: more mentally going down and pitching. 714 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: We had Jimmy Barnes on the on the podcast a 715 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: while back, and he he reckons that his voice, he said. 716 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: The more gigs he does, the he said, it warms 717 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: up a lot. Yeah, he's always he said, it likes 718 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: to be blasted all the time. 719 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a genetic anomaly. It's crazy. Yeah, he's and 720 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 3: I knew that. Yeah, he's just built differently. Like I've talked, 721 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 3: I've spoken to Eja's daughter about it, and she also 722 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 3: says that he's just built differently. He just screams before right, Yeah, like. 723 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: Streaming, and he's absolutely rich. 724 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 4: Like he should have ruined his voice because back what 725 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 4: eighties and nineties, his warm up would be a bottle 726 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 4: of vodka. That would be the way that he warmed up. 727 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 4: For a gig, so how it's still there. 728 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 3: He's got a crazy range though he does his man, 729 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 3: he can hurt high notes and he still can. 730 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that is that is remarkable. Okay, Walmlan, 731 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on, Thank you for having me. 732 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm always great to chat to you, and and yeah, 733 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: your story is a fascinating story. And and yet we 734 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: were I've always in Georgie music and yeah, so thank 735 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: you for thanks for giving that to us. 736 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: It's my pleasure. 737 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate it greatly, and thanks very much for coming 738 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: in and best of black with everything. 739 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: Cheers man. 740 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 4: I just want to leave you guys with a bit 741 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 4: of Milan singing. YouTube with the streets have no name 742 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 4: because you just set listen to it. 743 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: It's so good.