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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B. Start your weekend off in style.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jack Tame and

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Speaker 1: be Pure Quality Supplements for Essential Energy, News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Francesca Udkins filling in for Jack Tame.

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Speaker 2: Really good to have you with us. I'm with you

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Speaker 2: until midday to day. Coming out this hour, Nicky Wicks

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Speaker 2: is delivering a sweet treat Kyl Pushman with a brand

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Speaker 2: new feature film from the creator of the hit TV

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Speaker 2: show Succession. It's called Mountainhead. It's out on the first

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Speaker 2: June on Neon. We're going to get his thoughts on

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Speaker 2: this tech bro satire later this hour, and also this

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Speaker 2: our Andrew Saville on the Crucial Games and this super

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Speaker 2: Rugby this.

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Speaker 3: Weekend Jack Team Right.

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Speaker 2: It is not often you will hear me unreservedly champion

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Speaker 2: in act policy, but I am all in when it

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Speaker 2: comes to their concern and policy response to sexually explicit

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Speaker 2: deep fakes. The US and the UK are leading the

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Speaker 2: way with legislative changes on this New Zealand law, lagging

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Speaker 2: well behind ACDMP Laura McClure has prepared a bill to

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Speaker 2: restrict the generation and sharing of sexually explicit deep fakes.

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Speaker 2: So recently she announced the deep Fake Digital Harm and

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Speaker 2: Expectation Bill, expands existing legislation around revenge porn and intimate

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Speaker 2: recordings and ensures that those who produce or share deep

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Speaker 2: fakes without consent faced criminal accountability, and victims have clear

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Speaker 2: pathways to seek redress and removal of harmful content. This

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Speaker 2: is a common sense move in a tech area which

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Speaker 2: is so fast moving that we're always playing catch up.

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, we warned our children about nude pics.

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Speaker 2: When it became apparent some just couldn't help themselves. The

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Speaker 2: recommended advice became that if they were going to send picks,

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Speaker 2: they should avoid showing identifiable features, you know, like their faces.

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Speaker 2: The imagery that technology can now create in mere minutes

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Speaker 2: far exceeds the considerable peril posed by the consented nude

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Speaker 2: pic key we born. Bloomberg journalist Olivia Carvell has dedicated

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Speaker 2: her career to unearthing the dark side of the tech

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Speaker 2: of tech and the Internet, and in her recent podcast,

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Speaker 2: Levettown focuses on the rise of deep fake pornography and

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Speaker 2: the battle to stop it. In the podcast, she tells

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Speaker 2: a story of how photographs of young women were doctored

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Speaker 2: without their consent, then they were shared on a website

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Speaker 2: where men were encouraged to discuss what they would like

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Speaker 2: to do to these women. I know it's all a

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Speaker 2: bit much for a Sunday morning, but it is a

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Speaker 2: fascinating podcast worth listening to, and even though it is

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Speaker 2: a New York story, it has a crazy New Zealand

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Speaker 2: twist to it. The point is, though the harm and

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Speaker 2: trauma that comes from sexualized AI deep fakes is real

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Speaker 2: and impactful, and victims must have legal grounds to do

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Speaker 2: something about it, but it's also about public clarity and

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Speaker 2: drawing a strong line under what's not acceptable. It's thought

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Speaker 2: ninety to ninety five percent of online deep fake videos

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Speaker 2: are non consensual pornography, and around ninety percent of them

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Speaker 2: feature women. But Claire's bill is a member's bill at

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Speaker 2: this stage, which she has written to the Minister of

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Speaker 2: Justice urging that the bill is adopted as a government bill,

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Speaker 2: and I hope they take up her offer.

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Speaker 3: Franchise girl, so.

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Speaker 2: I'm keen to hear your thoughts. You're most welcome to

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Speaker 2: text on ninety two ninety two. But look the way

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Speaker 2: I see it, nothing good comes out of people making

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Speaker 2: sexualized deep fakes of a person without their consent and

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Speaker 2: using them for revenge, humiliation, bullying, six tortion, or God

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Speaker 2: forbid fun. So flet me a text ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: I am not the only one applauding ACT. This morning,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Milne was up next to talk about having a

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Speaker 2: tipple with your haircut. It's eleven past nine.

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Speaker 3: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Francesco.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jacktaime and Beep

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Speaker 1: Pure Policy Supplements for Essential Energy News talk.

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Speaker 2: The kicking us off this morning, we have got Kevin

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Speaker 2: mil Good morning, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: It's so finally Francisca. I think the audience probably knows

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Speaker 4: that we're not both huge supports of ACT, but here

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Speaker 4: we are both congratulating ACT on some of the things

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Speaker 4: that we are doing well.

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Speaker 2: And I started off but heavy, So you're gonna lighten

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Speaker 2: David Seymour.

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Speaker 4: The one thing I think David Seama was good at

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Speaker 4: in the nineteen eighties, or it might have been the nineties,

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Speaker 4: doing a fairgo story about a small hair salon in

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Speaker 4: the waiter Rapper. The owner, the hairstylist herself, had received

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Speaker 4: a warning. She hadn't realized that it was a breach of

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Speaker 4: the health regulations to offer a glass of wine no

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Speaker 4: charge on a hot wire wrapper afternoon, But yes it was.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it myself. Actually, I took a film

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Speaker 4: crew up there. I think it was a Masterton, and

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Speaker 4: we broke the law again, I suppose, filming a woman

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Speaker 4: sipping a savignon blanc while waiting for a do. I

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Speaker 4: remember we got an amusing story out of it. But

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Speaker 4: because the change was required in the law, I don't

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Speaker 4: think much progress was made. But finally this week, some

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Speaker 4: forty years later, the stupidity of the laws, the pointless bureaucracy,

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Speaker 4: as Seymour would put it, around hairdressers and barbers, is

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Speaker 4: to be axed. A full revoke of the health regulations

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Speaker 4: relating to hairdressers is the aim, though I see changes

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Speaker 4: regarding the supply of alcohol has to go through more legislation,

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Speaker 4: but Surely no one's going to be prowling around salons

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Speaker 4: sniffing out wine in the meantime. Good on David Seymour

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Speaker 4: for moving on this. I think he's got a knack

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Speaker 4: a liking for really exposing unnecessary bureaucracy, a bit like

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Speaker 4: the late Bob Jones. One might even say that Seymour

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Speaker 4: should be encouraged in his endeavors to eliminate bureaucracy. It

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Speaker 4: might distract him from his other endeavors to share that

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Speaker 4: haven't been so positive.

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Speaker 2: We're a bit of a funny little contry, aren't we, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: We're a bit of a forty years we've been having

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Speaker 2: this discussion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, that's right. I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: the a lot of the he addresses. I don't think

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Speaker 4: you even realized it was a problem.

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Speaker 2: No, because I was thinking back, and I'm going I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure in the early two thousands, if I was,

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Speaker 2: you know, when I was working full time and I

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Speaker 2: had to get my hair cut in the evenings, I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure I was offered a glass of wine then,

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Speaker 2: and then that kind of just disappeared right up and disappeared.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, a funny thing actually happened my son who's

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Speaker 4: in London, had met a guy and his bar that

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Speaker 4: he runs over there who told him my mother was

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Speaker 4: on fair Go once with your dad and it turns

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Speaker 4: out that she was the fars from the wrapper.

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Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 6: Two ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just it's a small world we live in,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. Very much? Just now, I suppose there's some

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Speaker 2: issues around the fact that, you know, we put a

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Speaker 2: lot of pressure on you know, institutions to have rules

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Speaker 2: about making sure people drink properly and drink well, and

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Speaker 2: you have to get like a license and you have

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Speaker 2: to go through all those sort of you know, hoops

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Speaker 2: and things. So I suppose it's sort of got to

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Speaker 2: be you've got to you know, got to make sure

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Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of responsibility that you can't just

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Speaker 2: be saying to anyone, you know, oh yeah, of course

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Speaker 2: you can be serving drinks, and you can be serving drinks.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you have to do a little bit of

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Speaker 2: you know, you have to still you can still do it. Yeah, Oh,

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Speaker 2: ye're true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, as long as they're not running a

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Speaker 4: little side business as a bar. Basically, I think that's

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Speaker 4: probably you're the only thing you need to watch out

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Speaker 4: for anyding lesson that, I'm absolutely fine and frankly to

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Kevin. Nice to hear from you

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Speaker 2: this morning. Can you tell your thoughts on that too?

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Speaker 2: Would you be quite happy to be able to have

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Speaker 2: a little glass of wine if you're getting your haircut

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Bringing that back. Coming

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Speaker 2: up next, we have got andre' sevel with Sport and

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Speaker 2: it's a big weekend for the Super Rugby. A lot

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Speaker 2: of Jeopardy involved with many of the games. He'll talk

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Speaker 2: us through that. It is eighteen past nine.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: I am very excited because after ten, fresh from her

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Speaker 2: big win at the Arteriro Music Awards, we're going to

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Speaker 2: be joined with Amelia Murray aka Phaser Days. She is

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Speaker 2: going to join me to talk about her boldest album yet.

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Speaker 2: It's called Soft Power. It won her the Album of

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Speaker 2: the Year award and she also won Best Solo Artist.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time that she has picked up

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Speaker 2: some alter Hero music awards. So really excited to have

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Speaker 2: her on the show. She's going to join me just

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Speaker 2: after ten, right Andrew Seville is with us now to

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Speaker 2: talk sport.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Andrew, Francesca.

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Speaker 2: How are you very good? Thank you? But goodness me,

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Speaker 2: what a great draw the Super Rugby has been. We're

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Speaker 2: down to this last weekend of playoffs and it's kind

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Speaker 2: of the last round and all the games are crucial,

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Speaker 2: aren't they.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been. I would say it's been one of

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Speaker 7: the best seasons we've seen in a long time, which

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Speaker 7: the competition needed because it was flagging. By my calculations,

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Speaker 7: I think around fifty percent or just under fifty percent

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Speaker 7: of the games have been decided by seven points or less,

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Speaker 7: which is exciting for fans for the competition. The rules

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Speaker 7: probably still need a good working on, because I think

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Speaker 7: there's still a lot of confusion around certain rules in

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Speaker 7: the game in gray gray areas. But all in all,

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Speaker 7: I think it's been an entertaining season. Last night the

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Speaker 7: Chiefs speak, the heighlight is forty one twenty four, so

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Speaker 7: they secure number one, so all through the playoffs now

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Speaker 7: as long as they go, as long as they keep winning,

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Speaker 7: they will have home advantage. The Crusaders very contentious win

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Speaker 7: over the Brumbies and Canberra never easy to win in Canberra.

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Speaker 7: The Brumbies are a good team. Crusaders thirty three thirty one,

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Speaker 7: very contentious, try to win for the Crusaders. It may

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Speaker 7: well have robbed the Brumbies of second place, which I'm

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Speaker 7: sure they're not happy about, but it's on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 7: The Crusaders winning by a couple of points their second,

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Speaker 7: the Brumbies third. Who they're going to play still needs

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Speaker 7: to be worked out. And this is going to be riveting.

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Speaker 7: It's going to be riveting this afternoon because you've got

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Speaker 7: the Blues Waratahs at four point thirty at Eighten Park.

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Speaker 7: Whoever wins that is into the playoffs for at least

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Speaker 7: a few hours. Then Mowana Pacifica traveling to Wellington to

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Speaker 7: play the Hurricanes. A lot of family connections, a lot

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Speaker 7: of mates in both teams, a lot of former players

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Speaker 7: from either team in both sides, so that will be

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Speaker 7: one to look out for and certainly and entertaining games.

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Speaker 7: If Mowana can upset and keep this dream season of

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Speaker 7: these going and still remain the darling of a lot

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Speaker 7: of rugby fans, they would make the playoffs because they've

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Speaker 7: won one more game than the Blues. Should the Blues

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Speaker 7: beat the Warritars hopefully not too confusing, but it'll all

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Speaker 7: pan out later today.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: No, So the Hurricanes are sitting at number four and

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Speaker 2: one of PACIFICA at sex. So as you say, the

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Speaker 2: Abe Says.

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Speaker 9: Love Me.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift has brought the original recordings to her first

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Speaker 2: That was quite a long battle for her and she

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Carl, Hi, Patrisca.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. We've got a couple of

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Speaker 10: I hope you're rich folks, don't mind slumming it in

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Speaker 8: All right, your platform is inflamed, volble situation, the weapons

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Speaker 3: Not real, And don't explode like that. And don't explode

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Speaker 2: It seems to me, Kyl, that only Jessy Armstrong could

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, you find yourself watching a movie with four

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Speaker 8: which just elevates the whole thing. So it's quite Yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's another strange part of the film where the first

434
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Speaker 8: half is a drag, in the second half it is

435
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Speaker 8: quite brilliant.

436
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Speaker 2: I thought, No, I completely agreed, and just that the

437
00:23:29,053 --> 00:23:33,093
Speaker 2: arrogance and the greed of these men is just extraordinary.

438
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Speaker 8: It and so timely, like I think it's quite possibly

439
00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:41,213
Speaker 8: the most timely film ever released, Like they only finished

440
00:23:41,213 --> 00:23:45,173
Speaker 8: shooting it last month, so it's got out blisteringly quick

441
00:23:45,573 --> 00:23:49,133
Speaker 8: and due to a quirk and timing. It's so timely

442
00:23:49,213 --> 00:23:51,973
Speaker 8: and so relevant, but also a little bit outdated because

443
00:23:51,973 --> 00:23:56,533
Speaker 8: they're dealing with this catastrophe about Photorealistic AI being released,

444
00:23:56,653 --> 00:23:59,893
Speaker 8: and a few days ago Google did release VO three,

445
00:23:59,933 --> 00:24:02,253
Speaker 8: which is capable of doing exactly what they're talking about

446
00:24:02,253 --> 00:24:05,173
Speaker 8: in the movie, which kind of makes it from a

447
00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:08,293
Speaker 8: slightly feature sick satire to almost an episode of Black

448
00:24:08,293 --> 00:24:10,413
Speaker 8: Mirror where you're like, oh, this is reality that we're

449
00:24:10,413 --> 00:24:13,813
Speaker 8: actually now living in. So I hadn't been released last week,

450
00:24:13,893 --> 00:24:15,853
Speaker 8: it would have been a different story, but it's just

451
00:24:15,893 --> 00:24:18,213
Speaker 8: so strange. Well, that's a fast tech moves.

452
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, isn't it. I mean, this is how horrible

453
00:24:20,013 --> 00:24:23,533
Speaker 2: these people are. Right, So they call their host and

454
00:24:23,573 --> 00:24:26,613
Speaker 2: they call him Super which is short for soup Kitchen,

455
00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:29,493
Speaker 2: because he's only worth five hundred and thirty million and

456
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Speaker 2: the rest of them worth billions.

457
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he's the pauper of the group, that poor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

460
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Speaker 5: OK.

461
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about another film. And I'm really pleased that

462
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Speaker 2: you're talking about this because Captain America Brave World was

463
00:24:43,373 --> 00:24:46,333
Speaker 2: released early on in the cinemas, but it kind of

464
00:24:46,413 --> 00:24:48,693
Speaker 2: just was released with no hype. No one really knew

465
00:24:48,733 --> 00:24:51,373
Speaker 2: it was out, and it's now being released on Disney.

466
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen.

467
00:24:53,373 --> 00:24:57,893
Speaker 3: I was wartime general, now I'm a wartime presator.

468
00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:01,733
Speaker 5: Your inner circle has been compromised. Let me fix it.

469
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Speaker 3: Watch yourself. You're not Steve Rogers, right, No.

470
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Speaker 2: So that was Captain America Brave New World out now

471
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Speaker 2: on Disney Plus. Carl is Marvel losing its magic?

472
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Speaker 8: It's I think it lost its magic for a little

473
00:25:23,013 --> 00:25:27,333
Speaker 8: while there, and it's in course correction mode. And this

474
00:25:27,413 --> 00:25:30,293
Speaker 8: is part of the course correction it's you know, it's

475
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Speaker 8: a it's a massive ship. This is like the thirty

476
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Speaker 8: fifth film in the series, which is just bananas when

477
00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:38,013
Speaker 8: you stop and think about it. So it's a it's

478
00:25:38,053 --> 00:25:40,653
Speaker 8: a it's a slow shift. But I think they are

479
00:25:40,653 --> 00:25:42,773
Speaker 8: talking about they went through that period where there was

480
00:25:42,853 --> 00:25:45,493
Speaker 8: just too many. It was an overwhelming amount of films

481
00:25:45,533 --> 00:25:47,573
Speaker 8: where you just unless you were die hard, it was

482
00:25:47,573 --> 00:25:51,413
Speaker 8: impossible to keep up. So they're in this triggy place

483
00:25:51,413 --> 00:25:53,453
Speaker 8: now where they're trying to balance those die hard fans

484
00:25:53,493 --> 00:25:56,333
Speaker 8: and bringing people sort of like me that dipped out

485
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Speaker 8: of the franchise bring them back. And it's a hard

486
00:26:00,053 --> 00:26:04,853
Speaker 8: balance and yeah, how much you buy into it, Yeah,

487
00:26:04,853 --> 00:26:06,773
Speaker 8: they've got to make it so it appeals to someone

488
00:26:06,853 --> 00:26:11,093
Speaker 8: just casually watching. And this is a political action thriller

489
00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,693
Speaker 8: at its heart, with a giant, big red hulk running

490
00:26:14,693 --> 00:26:17,773
Speaker 8: around smashing them things up. But it does do what

491
00:26:17,853 --> 00:26:20,013
Speaker 8: it sets out to do quite well. There's a lot

492
00:26:20,013 --> 00:26:22,413
Speaker 8: of fan stuff that they'll be into, but you can

493
00:26:22,533 --> 00:26:26,333
Speaker 8: sit down and understand what's going on without needing the

494
00:26:26,373 --> 00:26:29,013
Speaker 8: prior knowledge of the thirty five films. You know, the

495
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Speaker 8: big drawers. Harrison Ford playing the President who has anger

496
00:26:33,733 --> 00:26:36,053
Speaker 8: management problems that lead them to becoming Red Hulk, which

497
00:26:36,093 --> 00:26:38,013
Speaker 8: is obviously a problem for the President of the United

498
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Speaker 8: States of America. And then there's Captain America played by

499
00:26:41,093 --> 00:26:44,493
Speaker 8: Anthony Mackie, who's really great. He's the new Captain and

500
00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:47,293
Speaker 8: he's trying to work out why this is happening and

501
00:26:48,173 --> 00:26:51,893
Speaker 8: prevent it from happening. So there's a lot going on,

502
00:26:52,733 --> 00:26:56,213
Speaker 8: but there's enough there for both camps to enjoy. I

503
00:26:56,213 --> 00:27:00,613
Speaker 8: don't think it's a solid home run for the MCU,

504
00:27:01,013 --> 00:27:04,453
Speaker 8: but it's a decent watch on streaming for say a

505
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Speaker 8: Saturday night.

506
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you see this is a into reboot almost.

507
00:27:08,813 --> 00:27:10,373
Speaker 8: I don't know if I've done that far. I just

508
00:27:10,373 --> 00:27:13,533
Speaker 8: think it's a it's like it is continuing things on,

509
00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:17,253
Speaker 8: like there's references to everything. It has that same Marvel

510
00:27:17,293 --> 00:27:21,733
Speaker 8: problem where a problem for casual people like me, but

511
00:27:22,253 --> 00:27:24,973
Speaker 8: what the fans are into where it's setting up things

512
00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:26,213
Speaker 8: for the next film. So you kind of feel like

513
00:27:26,213 --> 00:27:28,453
Speaker 8: you're in that cycle of I'm watching this film, but

514
00:27:28,493 --> 00:27:30,253
Speaker 8: it's kind of set up for the next film, and

515
00:27:30,293 --> 00:27:31,613
Speaker 8: then you watch that next film and it's kind of

516
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Speaker 8: sitting up the next door that might be so minute

517
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,613
Speaker 8: anyone who's sort of spent some time around the MCU,

518
00:27:36,893 --> 00:27:39,973
Speaker 8: So it's definitely got that aspect to it where things

519
00:27:39,973 --> 00:27:41,573
Speaker 8: are being set up. I would have liked to see

520
00:27:41,653 --> 00:27:44,133
Speaker 8: a little bit more Red Hulk in it, because you

521
00:27:44,133 --> 00:27:49,573
Speaker 8: know that's obviously Harrison's would going Hulk rage is quite

522
00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:53,133
Speaker 8: a quite a slight But yeah, it was. It was

523
00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:56,893
Speaker 8: all right, it's not it's not going to convince anyone unconvinced.

524
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Speaker 2: And are we expecting the Adventures to come back?

525
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Speaker 8: Well, the that's without going to spoil a terror too.

526
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, right right back. No no no no no

527
00:28:10,613 --> 00:28:13,133
Speaker 2: no no, no no, we don't want to. I do

528
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Speaker 2: not want to have the Avengers dance on the text

529
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Speaker 2: machine for the rest of the morning. So let's just

530
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Speaker 2: leave it there. Cal Pushman, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your thoughts this morning. That was Cal Pushman, writer of

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Speaker 2: to celebrate the King's Birthday and true New Zealand style.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgan in for Jack Daim keeping

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Speaker 2: Be Niki Wicks is with us.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Nikki, Yes, good morning, and welcome back two.

547
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the window this blue sky. I was

548
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Speaker 2: going to say, you know, I don't get when to

549
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Speaker 2: weather heir in New Zealand. You just you've been in Bali.

550
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Speaker 13: I have been in Bali. Yes, it was absolutely adorable,

551
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Speaker 13: but I was I was just telling our producer that

552
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Speaker 13: I also love coming home, probably more than more than

553
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Speaker 13: more than the holiday. I love coming home, and I've

554
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Speaker 13: loved coming home to the cold weather. I'm inspired by

555
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Speaker 13: lots of Balinese food, but home is best, I think,

556
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Speaker 13: you know. So Yeah, we'll see how we go with

557
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Speaker 13: testings of Balinese recipes and I'll rock those out in

558
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Speaker 13: a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Now, that's a good attitude. Helps get over the

560
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Speaker 2: jet lag. Yeah, yeah, you have got a King's Birthday

561
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Speaker 2: Leamington cake ressus morning. I like I never tire of Leamington.

562
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Speaker 13: I never tire of Leamington's, and this Leamington cake once

563
00:29:53,253 --> 00:29:56,053
Speaker 13: you start making it, you'll never tire of it either. People.

564
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Speaker 13: It just brings a huge smile to everybody's face. It's

565
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Speaker 13: just it's kind of hilarious and glorious and actually super

566
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Speaker 13: easy to make, and it is absolutely delicious.

567
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Speaker 2: Why is it hilarious Because it's sort.

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Speaker 13: Of this giant Leamington you know what I mean, And

569
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Speaker 13: it's kind of like what the heck, you know. But

570
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Speaker 13: there's a few things that make this a really lovely

571
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Speaker 13: kind of adult cake, and that is the tart rasberries

572
00:30:16,973 --> 00:30:19,333
Speaker 13: jet and sort of icing that's on it. And I

573
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Speaker 13: do use fresh raspberries for this, and that gives a

574
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Speaker 13: tartness to it, which I think is really important. Otherwise

575
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Speaker 13: it's just quite sweet because coconut's quite sweet. There's a

576
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Speaker 13: sponge cake and that sort of thing. No, it's absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 13: I just keep on making this as a as a

578
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Speaker 13: birthday cake or celebration cake. So here you go, and

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Speaker 13: I'm going to give a couple of really good cheats.

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Speaker 13: So the first cheat is you don't need to make

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Speaker 13: your own sponge cake. You could buy a trifle sponge

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Speaker 13: from the supermarket. But I'm going to talk to you

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Speaker 13: about making a sponge cake. But I've made it with

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Speaker 13: both and it's equally well received. So throw your raven

585
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Speaker 13: on at one hundred and seventy degrees celsius on fan

586
00:30:57,533 --> 00:31:00,973
Speaker 13: bake and then let's make a little sponge cake. So

587
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Speaker 13: grease two round cake tins. I've used ones that are

588
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Speaker 13: about anywhere between twenty and twenty three cents to meat.

589
00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:09,613
Speaker 13: Is this cake will be fine. So that's the size

590
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Speaker 13: of your cake tins, and dust them with flour. Now

591
00:31:12,213 --> 00:31:14,013
Speaker 13: you want your button ice and soft. I've got one

592
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Speaker 13: hundred and thirty grams of unsalted butter. If you've only

593
00:31:17,613 --> 00:31:19,653
Speaker 13: got salted, for goodness sake, that's fine. I mean, butter

594
00:31:19,693 --> 00:31:21,533
Speaker 13: is such a fortune these days. Any sort of butter

595
00:31:21,653 --> 00:31:24,253
Speaker 13: is a luxury. Beat the butter until it's really lovely

596
00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:26,213
Speaker 13: and soft with the sugar. One cup of cast of

597
00:31:26,293 --> 00:31:29,533
Speaker 13: sugar and two teaspoons with vanilla extract. And you want

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Speaker 13: that to be really light and fluffy. That is the

599
00:31:32,213 --> 00:31:34,253
Speaker 13: key that you know, write this food stage for a

600
00:31:34,293 --> 00:31:37,133
Speaker 13: decent sponge cake. You've got three large eggs that we're

601
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Speaker 13: going to add to that creamed butter and sugar. Add

602
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Speaker 13: them one at a time, mixing them kind of really

603
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Speaker 13: well in between, and by really well I probably mean

604
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Speaker 13: about beating for about twenty seconds after each egg addition.

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Speaker 13: Then you want to stir in some flour, and I've

606
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Speaker 13: used two in the food cups of self raising flour.

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00:31:54,013 --> 00:31:57,093
Speaker 13: Obviously you could use plain flour and add some baking powder,

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00:31:57,373 --> 00:32:00,973
Speaker 13: probably two teaspoons of baking powder. A good pinch of

609
00:32:01,013 --> 00:32:03,333
Speaker 13: salt gives it some balance. I wouldn't miss that out.

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Speaker 13: And I've got a cup of milk, so I stir

611
00:32:05,373 --> 00:32:09,173
Speaker 13: in the flour and the milk kind of alternately. And

612
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Speaker 13: you just don't want to overmix a sponge cake because

613
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Speaker 13: that gets the glutens and the flour to start stretching,

614
00:32:14,213 --> 00:32:16,933
Speaker 13: and that'll make a tough cake. I've got two cake

615
00:32:16,973 --> 00:32:19,573
Speaker 13: tins here, so I want to divide my batter one

616
00:32:19,653 --> 00:32:22,013
Speaker 13: thod and one and two thirds in another. You do

617
00:32:22,133 --> 00:32:24,773
Speaker 13: not have to be too careful with this. You want

618
00:32:24,773 --> 00:32:27,413
Speaker 13: to bake for about twenty five minutes. The thicker one

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Speaker 13: will probably take about five to seven minutes longer. And

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Speaker 13: a sponge cake is cooked Francesca when you can press

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Speaker 13: it just gently and it springs back easily to the touch,

622
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Speaker 13: So I'd kind of start checking my cake from about

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Speaker 13: twenty three minutes after that time. It's not going to

624
00:32:43,613 --> 00:32:45,373
Speaker 13: sink when you open the oven. If you start opening

625
00:32:45,413 --> 00:32:48,653
Speaker 13: the oven earlier, you're in trouble. And I've probably made

626
00:32:48,693 --> 00:32:51,173
Speaker 13: all that sound complicated, but it's super easy. You want

627
00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:53,253
Speaker 13: to leave these to call for twelve to fifteen minutes

628
00:32:53,293 --> 00:32:55,733
Speaker 13: and then turn them out of their cake tins on

629
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:58,453
Speaker 13: a wy wrap to make sure that they are called completely.

630
00:32:58,773 --> 00:33:01,413
Speaker 13: If they've risen up too much. Some people's ovens do that,

631
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:02,933
Speaker 13: that's fine, and they've got a bit of a dome

632
00:33:02,973 --> 00:33:04,893
Speaker 13: on them. You can level that off with a big

633
00:33:04,933 --> 00:33:06,973
Speaker 13: bread knife. So you just want to take that sponge

634
00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:08,893
Speaker 13: off there because we want to layer these up, and

635
00:33:08,933 --> 00:33:11,773
Speaker 13: the thickest sponge we're going to divide that into two layers,

636
00:33:11,813 --> 00:33:14,573
Speaker 13: so we've got three layers of cake. Here we go

637
00:33:14,613 --> 00:33:18,773
Speaker 13: in terms of assembly, super easy. Mix some icing sugar.

638
00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:21,253
Speaker 13: I've got one and a half cups of icing sugar

639
00:33:21,813 --> 00:33:25,573
Speaker 13: with about thirty grams of melted or really soft butter

640
00:33:26,453 --> 00:33:31,213
Speaker 13: and half and about three tablespoons of boiling water. I've

641
00:33:31,293 --> 00:33:34,653
Speaker 13: used half a cup of raspberries, and I've used frozen

642
00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:37,053
Speaker 13: raspberries which I've defrosted, and you want to press those

643
00:33:37,093 --> 00:33:39,693
Speaker 13: through a sieve Francesca so that you don't get any

644
00:33:39,733 --> 00:33:41,693
Speaker 13: of the seeds in there. But you've got this beautiful

645
00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:43,853
Speaker 13: juice and add that to the icing, and then you

646
00:33:43,933 --> 00:33:46,653
Speaker 13: want to mix that together until you get a really smooth,

647
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Speaker 13: very ruddy icing. Add a bit more water if you

648
00:33:49,613 --> 00:33:53,213
Speaker 13: need to. Here's my second hack. You know that wonderful

649
00:33:53,213 --> 00:33:57,293
Speaker 13: company Fresh Airs that dehydrates all of the fruit, yes, palms.

650
00:33:56,973 --> 00:33:57,333
Speaker 2: And all of that.

651
00:33:57,413 --> 00:34:01,173
Speaker 13: Yeah, they do an icing. They do a raspberry icing.

652
00:34:01,413 --> 00:34:03,493
Speaker 13: Also do a strawberry one, but the raspberry icing is

653
00:34:03,533 --> 00:34:05,813
Speaker 13: what you're looking for, and it's in the same pouches

654
00:34:05,853 --> 00:34:08,333
Speaker 13: and most soupit markets. It's not an ad. I just

655
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:11,333
Speaker 13: absolutely love this and it's got everything you need. You

656
00:34:11,333 --> 00:34:13,893
Speaker 13: just add boiling water to it. So that's a really

657
00:34:13,973 --> 00:34:15,973
Speaker 13: nice little hat because they use fresh raspberries and neck

658
00:34:15,973 --> 00:34:19,653
Speaker 13: because we really want the tartness for this cake. Anyway,

659
00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:22,493
Speaker 13: pour this beautiful running icing out onto a shallow dinner plate,

660
00:34:22,733 --> 00:34:25,053
Speaker 13: and on another dinner plate, you want about one and

661
00:34:25,053 --> 00:34:28,573
Speaker 13: a half cups of coconut thread desiccated all thread doesn't

662
00:34:28,573 --> 00:34:31,253
Speaker 13: really matter. I like to use the slightly longer thread.

663
00:34:31,973 --> 00:34:33,653
Speaker 13: And then what you want to do is you want

664
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Speaker 13: to roll the sides of each cake layer into that icing,

665
00:34:38,173 --> 00:34:39,893
Speaker 13: so you're just sort of wheeling it like a sort

666
00:34:39,893 --> 00:34:42,293
Speaker 13: of like a wheel kind of thing, you know, through

667
00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:44,853
Speaker 13: the icing and then through the coconut and set them

668
00:34:44,893 --> 00:34:47,813
Speaker 13: aside so that they can sort of set a little bit.

669
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Speaker 13: And then all we do is plays a sponge layer

670
00:34:50,333 --> 00:34:53,973
Speaker 13: that's got this beautiful rim now of raspberry and coconut,

671
00:34:54,253 --> 00:34:56,333
Speaker 13: and we put that on our serving plate, spread it

672
00:34:56,373 --> 00:34:58,093
Speaker 13: with some jam. I like to use a good thood

673
00:34:58,133 --> 00:35:00,853
Speaker 13: of a cup of raspberry jam between the two layers

674
00:35:00,893 --> 00:35:02,733
Speaker 13: that we're going to do here, So spread half of

675
00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:06,733
Speaker 13: that and then doll upon lots of whipped cream, beautiful

676
00:35:06,733 --> 00:35:09,453
Speaker 13: whipped cream. You can put a tablespoon of icing sugar

677
00:35:09,453 --> 00:35:10,893
Speaker 13: in there if you want it, or leave it out.

678
00:35:11,133 --> 00:35:13,613
Speaker 13: Top it with the second layer of sponge, and put

679
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:15,573
Speaker 13: the jam on and the cream, and then top it

680
00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:18,493
Speaker 13: with that final sponge layer. And a little trick for

681
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:21,213
Speaker 13: people who don't do a lot of baking, always use

682
00:35:21,573 --> 00:35:23,533
Speaker 13: the layer that's been in the bottom of the tin,

683
00:35:23,573 --> 00:35:26,333
Speaker 13: because you'll get a really nice square finish on the top,

684
00:35:26,373 --> 00:35:28,373
Speaker 13: so you want to actually use that as your top layer,

685
00:35:29,453 --> 00:35:32,773
Speaker 13: and spreads the top with the icing, sprinkle overloads of

686
00:35:32,813 --> 00:35:36,053
Speaker 13: coconut patch it up if you need to, and then

687
00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:37,853
Speaker 13: chill it for about thirty minutes and it's ready to

688
00:35:37,853 --> 00:35:40,733
Speaker 13: serve and it's just beautiful. Cut it with a serrated

689
00:35:40,813 --> 00:35:44,053
Speaker 13: knife and you get those beautiful layers of the raspberry jam,

690
00:35:44,173 --> 00:35:48,133
Speaker 13: the beautiful cream, your lovely sponge cake, and honestly, it's

691
00:35:48,253 --> 00:35:50,813
Speaker 13: just a delight and it's so delicious. It really is

692
00:35:50,853 --> 00:35:51,493
Speaker 13: so delicious.

693
00:35:51,573 --> 00:35:51,893
Speaker 5: I think.

694
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Speaker 13: I think he's yeah, I think the freakake. Why not?

695
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look, it just sounds delicious. I've got a very

696
00:36:01,013 --> 00:36:02,573
Speaker 2: good baker in the house, so I think I'll just

697
00:36:02,573 --> 00:36:06,213
Speaker 2: take this recipe home and hand it over and to enjoy.

698
00:36:06,853 --> 00:36:08,973
Speaker 13: It's a great idea. And as I say, you could

699
00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:11,773
Speaker 13: use those two hacks and you'll be making this cake

700
00:36:11,813 --> 00:36:13,413
Speaker 13: and sort of under twenty minutes if you use a

701
00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:16,013
Speaker 13: bort sponge and that I sing, so yeah, I do it.

702
00:36:16,013 --> 00:36:18,053
Speaker 13: It's a beautiful I call it my Glamington cake.

703
00:36:18,293 --> 00:36:21,133
Speaker 2: Glamington cake. Love it. Thank you so much, Nicky Wixon.

704
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Speaker 2: Of course we'll get that recipe up on our website

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Speaker 2: newstalk ZDB dot co dot MZ for you this morning

706
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Speaker 2: it is seven to ten.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

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Speaker 2: At b Thank you very much for your feedback this morning.

711
00:36:43,013 --> 00:36:45,893
Speaker 2: We were talking earlier about ACT clearing up the rules

712
00:36:45,933 --> 00:36:47,613
Speaker 2: about hair dress has been able to offer you a

713
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Speaker 2: glass of wine or a beer or something, you know,

714
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day when you're getting your

715
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Speaker 2: hair cut and jewels. Just text they're not selling the

716
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Speaker 2: wine as a cup of tea or wine as a gift.

717
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Speaker 2: For goodness sake, the world has gone mad. Wasn't that

718
00:36:59,693 --> 00:37:02,413
Speaker 2: hilarious how Kevin Milne was telling us, We've been talking

719
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Speaker 2: about this for forty years, changing our minds and your own.

720
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Speaker 2: Thanks anyway, hopefully we'll just see some common sense around this.

721
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:11,613
Speaker 2: Quite a few texting too, saying the Mountainhead film sounds

722
00:37:11,653 --> 00:37:13,933
Speaker 2: really interesting. I'm sorry we shouldn't let you know. It

723
00:37:14,093 --> 00:37:18,813
Speaker 2: starts on the first of June on neon and yes,

724
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Speaker 2: it is really fascinating. It is absolutely worth the watch,

725
00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:24,453
Speaker 2: especially if you're a fan of the TV show Succession,

726
00:37:24,933 --> 00:37:29,893
Speaker 2: just remember the first sort of third or half of

727
00:37:29,933 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 2: the film.

728
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Speaker 4: It is.

729
00:37:31,573 --> 00:37:33,773
Speaker 2: It's kind of a bit grating, and you are sitting

730
00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:35,213
Speaker 2: there going, oh, I don't know if I can do this.

731
00:37:35,293 --> 00:37:37,253
Speaker 2: These people are horrible. They're speaking a language I don't

732
00:37:37,253 --> 00:37:40,333
Speaker 2: really understand. This is all kind of a bit not

733
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:42,893
Speaker 2: sure I'm into this. Just hang in there, hanging there,

734
00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:46,773
Speaker 2: because it does switch and it does become highly entertaining,

735
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:47,533
Speaker 2: So stick with it.

736
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Speaker 5: Yep.

737
00:37:47,893 --> 00:37:53,213
Speaker 2: So that's mountainhead out on neon first of June. Okay,

738
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:55,973
Speaker 2: I'm very excited. Coming up next, we have the big

739
00:37:56,053 --> 00:38:00,253
Speaker 2: winner from this week's our Turtle Music Awards, Amelia Murray

740
00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:03,013
Speaker 2: nine is Phaser Days. She's going to join us. We're

741
00:38:03,013 --> 00:38:05,373
Speaker 2: going to get some behind the scenes gas from the night,

742
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:07,293
Speaker 2: but we're also going to talk with Mela about her

743
00:38:07,413 --> 00:38:11,373
Speaker 2: hugely successful album Soft Power and where to next for

744
00:38:11,733 --> 00:38:14,973
Speaker 2: Phaser Days. We're going to finish the hour with Phaser

745
00:38:15,093 --> 00:38:17,693
Speaker 2: Days and Cherry Pie Backsually.

746
00:39:00,493 --> 00:39:04,253
Speaker 1: A creaking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

747
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Speaker 1: Francesca Rudgan, infrojec DAE and be Pure Quality Supplements for

748
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Speaker 1: Essential Energy News Talks at b.

749
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:28,693
Speaker 12: Between Let's play, Let's try it.

750
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Speaker 2: This is Bigger by Phaser Days, kicking off our hour.

751
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Music's big night out took place this week.

752
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Speaker 2: The Arterro Music Awards celebrated at sixtieth year with our

753
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:58,493
Speaker 2: biggest musical stars, Glitzton Graam for the Red Carpet and

754
00:39:58,573 --> 00:40:01,773
Speaker 2: taking out two awards for Best Solo Artist and A

755
00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:05,253
Speaker 2: highly coveted Album of the Year was Phaser Days, also

756
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Speaker 2: known as Ami and Murray and Emilia joins me this morning,

757
00:40:09,173 --> 00:40:11,893
Speaker 2: Good morning in now Francesca.

758
00:40:12,013 --> 00:40:13,773
Speaker 14: How are we really.

759
00:40:13,493 --> 00:40:15,853
Speaker 2: Good to have you with us? This is your first

760
00:40:15,933 --> 00:40:19,453
Speaker 2: time winning an out Ow Music Award. How did you

761
00:40:19,533 --> 00:40:20,613
Speaker 2: feel hearing your name?

762
00:40:21,933 --> 00:40:22,693
Speaker 4: Ah?

763
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Speaker 14: I felt weirdly calm. Actually, I think it's it feels

764
00:40:26,653 --> 00:40:28,733
Speaker 14: kind of like it's been a really long time coming.

765
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Speaker 14: I've been nominated quite a few times before, and it

766
00:40:32,093 --> 00:40:33,773
Speaker 14: was kind of it was nice to finally take home

767
00:40:33,813 --> 00:40:36,453
Speaker 14: a trophy. So yeah, I felt really felt really good.

768
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because your album Soft Power was a long time

769
00:40:39,773 --> 00:40:43,453
Speaker 2: in the making, and I wonder whether this when cemented

770
00:40:44,173 --> 00:40:46,973
Speaker 2: that time, that you know that taking your time was

771
00:40:47,093 --> 00:40:48,013
Speaker 2: really worth it.

772
00:40:49,093 --> 00:40:50,933
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so. I mean it was kind of

773
00:40:51,013 --> 00:40:53,853
Speaker 14: validating because It was a really hard journey making this record.

774
00:40:53,893 --> 00:40:56,093
Speaker 14: I had a lot of stuff going on personally, but

775
00:40:56,173 --> 00:41:00,333
Speaker 14: also just navigating the industry and trying to free the

776
00:41:00,413 --> 00:41:03,373
Speaker 14: music was a massive journey, just just getting the music

777
00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:06,933
Speaker 14: out there and untangling it from a lot of various

778
00:41:07,013 --> 00:41:09,493
Speaker 14: things that were going on. And so then to kind

779
00:41:09,493 --> 00:41:12,493
Speaker 14: of have a couple of awards in my hands to

780
00:41:12,573 --> 00:41:16,213
Speaker 14: kind of show for all that that work was just

781
00:41:16,573 --> 00:41:20,013
Speaker 14: really yeah, really validating and gratifying.

782
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

783
00:41:20,653 --> 00:41:22,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be proud because that Album of the

784
00:41:22,973 --> 00:41:26,973
Speaker 2: Year category, it was stacked with amazing albums, wasn't it.

785
00:41:27,653 --> 00:41:30,213
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh? Yeah, I mean I was really nestled

786
00:41:30,213 --> 00:41:32,093
Speaker 14: into my seat, I was. I was pretty cumpfy to

787
00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:34,413
Speaker 14: be like, okay, well the night's over, like like I was,

788
00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:36,733
Speaker 14: I was not expecting to get up on stage again.

789
00:41:36,853 --> 00:41:39,853
Speaker 14: So it was yeah, I mean that category, there's so

790
00:41:39,893 --> 00:41:43,013
Speaker 14: many great artists and then great records. So I was

791
00:41:43,053 --> 00:41:46,133
Speaker 14: pretty surprised. I was genuinely very surprised to win, to

792
00:41:46,173 --> 00:41:47,693
Speaker 14: win that one, Yeah, the big one.

793
00:41:48,573 --> 00:41:52,413
Speaker 2: How fun are these big awards nights? Are they fun?

794
00:41:52,533 --> 00:41:53,293
Speaker 2: Do you enjoy them?

795
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

796
00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:57,773
Speaker 14: I lane, it's quite I find it getting really quite

797
00:41:57,773 --> 00:42:01,133
Speaker 14: stressful because there's a lot of a lot of things

798
00:42:01,173 --> 00:42:03,453
Speaker 14: like that. On that night, I had to think about

799
00:42:03,773 --> 00:42:05,453
Speaker 14: the clothes I was wearing for the Red carpet and

800
00:42:05,453 --> 00:42:08,333
Speaker 14: then performing as well, the kind of different looks between

801
00:42:08,373 --> 00:42:11,093
Speaker 14: the two. But once I reckon, the hardest thing is

802
00:42:11,093 --> 00:42:13,333
Speaker 14: getting ready, This most stressful thing is getting ready. And

803
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:16,333
Speaker 14: then once you're there, it's so much fun because all

804
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:20,733
Speaker 14: your peers celebrating and celebrating each other and yeah, and

805
00:42:20,733 --> 00:42:25,933
Speaker 14: celebrating music, and so it's it's a pretty special, magical night. Yes,

806
00:42:26,213 --> 00:42:28,053
Speaker 14: it is fun once you get past the stress.

807
00:42:28,573 --> 00:42:31,933
Speaker 2: Is it more nerve breaking performing a gig to your

808
00:42:31,933 --> 00:42:34,853
Speaker 2: fans or performing in front of a room full of

809
00:42:34,893 --> 00:42:35,373
Speaker 2: your peers?

810
00:42:36,653 --> 00:42:36,933
Speaker 11: Oh?

811
00:42:37,133 --> 00:42:43,333
Speaker 14: Good question. I was probably more nervous performing in front

812
00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:47,133
Speaker 14: of my peers because ah, they know, you know, you

813
00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:51,653
Speaker 14: can't really hide from them. So yeah, I think I'd

814
00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:54,453
Speaker 14: probably say playing in front of my peers, Yeah, I mean,

815
00:42:54,493 --> 00:42:56,533
Speaker 14: I think I think Lord was in the audience, you know,

816
00:42:56,613 --> 00:42:59,533
Speaker 14: so lots of like you know, stand walker, big big

817
00:42:59,653 --> 00:43:02,613
Speaker 14: names and great artists in the audience. So yeah, I

818
00:43:02,653 --> 00:43:03,453
Speaker 14: was pretty nervous.

819
00:43:04,053 --> 00:43:05,813
Speaker 2: Do you get to sort of brush shoulders and meet

820
00:43:05,813 --> 00:43:06,333
Speaker 2: these people?

821
00:43:07,613 --> 00:43:10,053
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I met Stan for the first time

822
00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:12,493
Speaker 14: Sam Walker for the first time, and he was so sweet.

823
00:43:12,613 --> 00:43:15,693
Speaker 14: And I've known Ala for a while Lord for a while,

824
00:43:15,733 --> 00:43:17,493
Speaker 14: but I didn't know I shouldn't get to bump into her,

825
00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:20,933
Speaker 14: but yeah, it was. It was pretty nice meeting. I

826
00:43:21,013 --> 00:43:23,773
Speaker 14: met Holly Smith, who I've looked up to my whole life.

827
00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:27,653
Speaker 14: So yeah, you do get to hang out with the

828
00:43:27,773 --> 00:43:29,213
Speaker 14: with the stars. That's pretty special.

829
00:43:29,453 --> 00:43:31,133
Speaker 2: And Amlia by the end of the night, had you

830
00:43:31,213 --> 00:43:33,693
Speaker 2: agreed to do some collaborations with people?

831
00:43:33,773 --> 00:43:38,573
Speaker 14: And I didn't. I didn't quite smooth that hard, but

832
00:43:39,893 --> 00:43:41,013
Speaker 14: I to plant some seeds.

833
00:43:41,053 --> 00:43:45,413
Speaker 2: So I like it. But it sounds cheesy, but actually

834
00:43:46,213 --> 00:43:50,693
Speaker 2: the New Zealand music industry is very open and generous

835
00:43:50,813 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 2: and friendly and welcoming of people, isn't it genuinely?

836
00:43:55,773 --> 00:44:00,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Most people are really approachable

837
00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:04,613
Speaker 14: and accessible and every time I've reached out to someone

838
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:08,413
Speaker 14: for advice or help, I've always being met with a

839
00:44:08,453 --> 00:44:11,013
Speaker 14: reply or help or being pointed in the right direction.

840
00:44:11,253 --> 00:44:13,653
Speaker 14: So so yeah, for the most part, I think it

841
00:44:14,093 --> 00:44:17,933
Speaker 14: is a really supportive industry. I mean, there's not because

842
00:44:18,093 --> 00:44:20,933
Speaker 14: everyone knows each other and there's not it's not very big,

843
00:44:21,093 --> 00:44:24,453
Speaker 14: so yeah, it is. It is, you know, when a

844
00:44:24,493 --> 00:44:26,933
Speaker 14: newcomer comes in, it's it's like, you know, everyone knows

845
00:44:26,973 --> 00:44:30,653
Speaker 14: about them straight away, So it's pretty Yeah, I'd say

846
00:44:30,653 --> 00:44:34,093
Speaker 14: it is really supportive, especially between artists who like sometimes

847
00:44:34,093 --> 00:44:36,933
Speaker 14: I've had to double check a deal with someone, and

848
00:44:37,373 --> 00:44:39,493
Speaker 14: even an artist I don't know who may maybe has

849
00:44:39,533 --> 00:44:41,213
Speaker 14: a similar deal, I'll reach out to them and be like,

850
00:44:41,253 --> 00:44:43,933
Speaker 14: hey can you can you kind of bounce this off you?

851
00:44:43,973 --> 00:44:47,293
Speaker 14: And I've always been met with so much help, So yeah,

852
00:44:47,493 --> 00:44:48,573
Speaker 14: it's pretty special like that.

853
00:44:49,613 --> 00:44:52,053
Speaker 2: And mean, there was a bit of time when you

854
00:44:52,173 --> 00:44:55,933
Speaker 2: sort of stepped away from music between albums from twenty

855
00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:58,173
Speaker 2: seventeen to sort of soft Power.

856
00:44:58,213 --> 00:44:58,813
Speaker 3: Why was that?

857
00:45:00,253 --> 00:45:04,253
Speaker 14: Yeah, Well, I went through as I don't really want

858
00:45:04,253 --> 00:45:06,493
Speaker 14: to get into, like the personal details of it. I

859
00:45:07,253 --> 00:45:11,693
Speaker 14: was battling a lot of I guess things in my

860
00:45:11,813 --> 00:45:16,013
Speaker 14: domestic life that weren't very balanced and weren't Yeah, we're

861
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:19,133
Speaker 14: out of We're really out of balance, and I was

862
00:45:19,173 --> 00:45:22,453
Speaker 14: fighting these kind of power dynamics and just not really

863
00:45:22,493 --> 00:45:25,853
Speaker 14: able to win. As a young woman making music and

864
00:45:26,413 --> 00:45:29,093
Speaker 14: navigating the world, I didn't really have the skill set

865
00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:32,733
Speaker 14: to know how to battle what I was going through,

866
00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:35,893
Speaker 14: and it took me, really it took me stepping away

867
00:45:35,893 --> 00:45:38,613
Speaker 14: from music and sort of moving cities to kind of

868
00:45:39,213 --> 00:45:43,813
Speaker 14: find myself again. It was a really slow journey to

869
00:45:44,493 --> 00:45:47,933
Speaker 14: come back into myself to then be able to make

870
00:45:48,053 --> 00:45:50,973
Speaker 14: music and get it out there again. It's a I

871
00:45:50,973 --> 00:45:55,013
Speaker 14: feel like this job is quite I guess like spiritual

872
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 14: or something like. I do have to be quite in

873
00:45:57,093 --> 00:46:00,053
Speaker 14: touch with myself and my intuition just to be able

874
00:46:00,093 --> 00:46:00,693
Speaker 14: to do my job.

875
00:46:00,773 --> 00:46:01,133
Speaker 8: And if I.

876
00:46:02,693 --> 00:46:04,773
Speaker 14: If I'm losing touch with myself, it's really hard to

877
00:46:04,853 --> 00:46:07,973
Speaker 14: make decisions and put myself out there and put myself

878
00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,973
Speaker 14: on a stage if I'm not feeling in my own frame.

879
00:46:11,133 --> 00:46:13,533
Speaker 14: So it's been a long time coming back into my

880
00:46:13,573 --> 00:46:15,693
Speaker 14: own frame after some of the things I went through.

881
00:46:16,053 --> 00:46:18,253
Speaker 2: I was talking to mel Parsons recently and she, you know,

882
00:46:18,293 --> 00:46:20,373
Speaker 2: she did making point she went, writing songs is actually

883
00:46:20,373 --> 00:46:24,813
Speaker 2: really hard. Oh yeah, you know, if you're not in

884
00:46:24,893 --> 00:46:28,413
Speaker 2: the right place or space or you know, it's hard anyway.

885
00:46:29,373 --> 00:46:34,373
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, oh, it really is. It's like a really

886
00:46:34,493 --> 00:46:37,333
Speaker 14: psychological battle, like you've got to let it. You've got

887
00:46:37,373 --> 00:46:39,293
Speaker 14: to let it flow, you can't force it, but you

888
00:46:39,373 --> 00:46:41,813
Speaker 14: also do have to sit down and work. So it's

889
00:46:41,813 --> 00:46:46,373
Speaker 14: like this really fine balance between Yeah, just just flowing,

890
00:46:46,893 --> 00:46:50,533
Speaker 14: but also being disciplined enough to let it flow. So

891
00:46:51,053 --> 00:46:54,173
Speaker 14: it's yeah, I find it really I find it really trucky,

892
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:57,053
Speaker 14: and when a song comes comes through it, it's like

893
00:46:57,693 --> 00:47:00,213
Speaker 14: you've struck gold, you know, But it doesn't always show up,

894
00:47:00,253 --> 00:47:02,693
Speaker 14: and sometimes you're like, oh, well that was a waste

895
00:47:02,733 --> 00:47:04,453
Speaker 14: of time and what am I doing with my life?

896
00:47:05,733 --> 00:47:08,453
Speaker 2: Emilia? The sound and Soft Power is a lot bolder

897
00:47:08,453 --> 00:47:11,413
Speaker 2: than your debut. How did your approach to creating this

898
00:47:11,493 --> 00:47:13,173
Speaker 2: album differ from before?

899
00:47:14,933 --> 00:47:19,893
Speaker 14: Oh? So, I guess I've always done like bedroom pop music,

900
00:47:19,933 --> 00:47:22,773
Speaker 14: and I've kind of always made music in my bedroom,

901
00:47:22,893 --> 00:47:24,933
Speaker 14: and with that comes like a bit more of a

902
00:47:24,973 --> 00:47:30,493
Speaker 14: low fire sound, and I, you know, my first record,

903
00:47:30,533 --> 00:47:33,573
Speaker 14: Morning Side, did quite well, and I started to find

904
00:47:33,573 --> 00:47:37,013
Speaker 14: myself on these bigger stages because of how well my

905
00:47:37,093 --> 00:47:39,893
Speaker 14: career was going, and I guess that kind of inspired

906
00:47:40,493 --> 00:47:43,453
Speaker 14: the next record, as I thought, I'd love to make

907
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:46,653
Speaker 14: music that actually suited the stage more and suited these

908
00:47:47,733 --> 00:47:50,973
Speaker 14: venues I was playing because they were getting larger and

909
00:47:51,013 --> 00:47:54,493
Speaker 14: my music was still quite small in bedroom. So Soft

910
00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:58,173
Speaker 14: Power I was really trying to lean into a more expansive,

911
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:05,693
Speaker 14: open cinematic sound while still retaining this like bedroom like quality.

912
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:08,573
Speaker 14: So I do kind of joke that Soft Power is

913
00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:11,453
Speaker 14: like a bedroom stadium records, Like I've I tried to

914
00:48:11,493 --> 00:48:12,653
Speaker 14: straddle both on it.

915
00:48:13,613 --> 00:48:15,613
Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting you say that because the

916
00:48:15,653 --> 00:48:18,733
Speaker 2: coming time made to my producer was this would just

917
00:48:18,773 --> 00:48:21,573
Speaker 2: be so awesome live. You know, I'm you know, to

918
00:48:22,293 --> 00:48:25,213
Speaker 2: to hear this album played live. Was it fun to

919
00:48:25,213 --> 00:48:28,613
Speaker 2: be able to take it from you know that? Did

920
00:48:28,613 --> 00:48:31,133
Speaker 2: you enjoy that process of taking it from an album

921
00:48:31,173 --> 00:48:32,573
Speaker 2: from the bedroom to the stage.

922
00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:37,453
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I have really because I sort of

923
00:48:37,493 --> 00:48:40,493
Speaker 14: did well on the internet and I'm an introverted person

924
00:48:40,533 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 14: and a kind of just like you know, make music

925
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,813
Speaker 14: in my bedroom and spend far too many hours on

926
00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:51,973
Speaker 14: my own. It has been a real big transition, not

927
00:48:52,133 --> 00:48:55,813
Speaker 14: just getting the music into a live setting and everything,

928
00:48:55,813 --> 00:48:59,973
Speaker 14: but also myself out of my bedroom and like onto

929
00:49:00,013 --> 00:49:02,933
Speaker 14: the road and touring and in front of people and socializing.

930
00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:07,453
Speaker 14: And yeah, it has been, it has been. It's been

931
00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:10,693
Speaker 14: a it's definitely been a journey like putting that music

932
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:13,453
Speaker 14: onto the stage. And I actually recently got some help

933
00:49:13,493 --> 00:49:16,333
Speaker 14: from my friend time In Martin, and he helps me

934
00:49:17,173 --> 00:49:21,253
Speaker 14: adapt the music from you know, my recordings into the

935
00:49:21,253 --> 00:49:25,813
Speaker 14: band and onto the onto the stage, because I often

936
00:49:25,933 --> 00:49:27,893
Speaker 14: just like write these songs in my room and I

937
00:49:27,933 --> 00:49:30,533
Speaker 14: and record them in my room, and then I don't

938
00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:33,053
Speaker 14: actually know how to play them live. So it's been

939
00:49:33,093 --> 00:49:34,693
Speaker 14: good to get some help with that lately.

940
00:49:35,293 --> 00:49:37,893
Speaker 2: You've already toured with the band Ponned through the US,

941
00:49:38,053 --> 00:49:40,813
Speaker 2: and you're going back to tour in the US soon.

942
00:49:41,933 --> 00:49:42,613
Speaker 2: What's that like?

943
00:49:43,853 --> 00:49:49,333
Speaker 14: Oh, it's pretty. It's pretty surreal. It's like I mean,

944
00:49:50,133 --> 00:49:52,813
Speaker 14: touring the US, it was just something I dreamed of

945
00:49:52,813 --> 00:49:56,413
Speaker 14: as a teenager playing in a band. And now to

946
00:49:56,533 --> 00:49:59,653
Speaker 14: be yeah, like invited back over there. We're touring with

947
00:49:59,733 --> 00:50:05,773
Speaker 14: Pexis in August and September in the US. It's it's

948
00:50:05,773 --> 00:50:08,413
Speaker 14: pretty surreal. It's it's pretty not gonna lie it's pretty.

949
00:50:09,493 --> 00:50:12,493
Speaker 14: It's very hard work like it it's really hard work

950
00:50:12,533 --> 00:50:15,893
Speaker 14: on the body. Like it's just a lot of venues

951
00:50:15,973 --> 00:50:21,453
Speaker 14: and vans and hotels, but it's pretty special. I always

952
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:23,893
Speaker 14: take my one of my best friends, Dave Rowlands, he

953
00:50:23,893 --> 00:50:26,933
Speaker 14: plays guitar in my band, and because I've got him,

954
00:50:27,013 --> 00:50:29,853
Speaker 14: it's it's even when it gets hard, it's actually it's

955
00:50:29,853 --> 00:50:30,933
Speaker 14: actually still really fun.

956
00:50:32,373 --> 00:50:34,853
Speaker 2: Have you learned how to have you had to sort

957
00:50:34,853 --> 00:50:36,733
Speaker 2: of be quite provactive and then how to look after

958
00:50:36,773 --> 00:50:39,773
Speaker 2: yourself when you're on the road. You know, it's not

959
00:50:39,813 --> 00:50:41,053
Speaker 2: like the good old days of rock and roll that

960
00:50:41,093 --> 00:50:44,013
Speaker 2: you sort of dream that will be actually has to

961
00:50:44,053 --> 00:50:47,013
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, be quite self preserving about it.

962
00:50:47,053 --> 00:50:49,173
Speaker 2: Take a sort of quite a self preserving approach to it.

963
00:50:49,973 --> 00:50:50,213
Speaker 10: Yeah.

964
00:50:50,253 --> 00:50:53,613
Speaker 14: Absolutely, Like sometimes I watch the movies and then touring

965
00:50:53,653 --> 00:50:55,853
Speaker 14: and drinking and like doing drugs, and I'm like, how

966
00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:59,533
Speaker 14: you have to be a machine if you are doing that.

967
00:50:59,973 --> 00:51:03,173
Speaker 14: Plus touring, like touring on its own is just so

968
00:51:03,293 --> 00:51:06,733
Speaker 14: hard and throw alcohol and drugs. It's like, I don't

969
00:51:06,733 --> 00:51:09,253
Speaker 14: know how anyone would get through a tour. So yeah,

970
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:12,053
Speaker 14: I I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of little

971
00:51:12,133 --> 00:51:15,653
Speaker 14: hacks I do, Like I bring a yoga mat on tour,

972
00:51:15,893 --> 00:51:18,813
Speaker 14: like a very unrock and roll I bring my yoga mat.

973
00:51:19,613 --> 00:51:22,853
Speaker 14: I bring a skipping rope, just so that like in between,

974
00:51:23,573 --> 00:51:25,213
Speaker 14: you know, when we when we get a stop on

975
00:51:25,293 --> 00:51:27,093
Speaker 14: the road, I can like do a little you know,

976
00:51:27,213 --> 00:51:28,213
Speaker 14: get the blood flowing.

977
00:51:30,213 --> 00:51:30,413
Speaker 12: Yeah.

978
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:33,093
Speaker 14: I've got a whole bunch of other hacks just to

979
00:51:33,173 --> 00:51:36,853
Speaker 14: kind of keep fit and healthy, because you have to,

980
00:51:37,013 --> 00:51:39,613
Speaker 14: like you know, just I'm playing a pretty heavy guitar

981
00:51:39,693 --> 00:51:42,333
Speaker 14: every night, and my strength has to be my core

982
00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:46,733
Speaker 14: strength has to be up and yeah, it's and there's

983
00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:48,493
Speaker 14: a lot of heavy gear to lift, so you do

984
00:51:48,533 --> 00:51:51,533
Speaker 14: actually have to be quite physically in a good and

985
00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:55,813
Speaker 14: a good place. Otherwise it's it goes downhill really fast.

986
00:51:55,853 --> 00:51:59,253
Speaker 14: It's it's a real I find touring just all about

987
00:51:59,293 --> 00:52:02,453
Speaker 14: self preservation. So yeah, do.

988
00:52:02,413 --> 00:52:05,053
Speaker 2: You have a different expectation of how those international shows

989
00:52:05,053 --> 00:52:06,973
Speaker 2: will feel compared to the ones that you play for

990
00:52:07,013 --> 00:52:07,813
Speaker 2: the home audience.

991
00:52:10,493 --> 00:52:12,693
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so. I mean when we head over

992
00:52:12,853 --> 00:52:16,653
Speaker 14: in August to support Petsa's in another band called Spoon,

993
00:52:18,253 --> 00:52:20,973
Speaker 14: we are playing. This will be my first time doing

994
00:52:21,013 --> 00:52:23,493
Speaker 14: like an outdoor antitheater tour, so a lot of these

995
00:52:23,573 --> 00:52:27,133
Speaker 14: venues that we're playing will be like it'll be Midsummer,

996
00:52:27,213 --> 00:52:30,893
Speaker 14: and I guess it will be kind of different in

997
00:52:30,933 --> 00:52:33,693
Speaker 14: that sense, just like you know, we're playing Red Rocks

998
00:52:33,693 --> 00:52:40,413
Speaker 14: and Denver like quite big, outdoor, iconic venue, So I

999
00:52:40,493 --> 00:52:43,733
Speaker 14: think I guess that will be one point of difference.

1000
00:52:43,813 --> 00:52:46,373
Speaker 14: But other than that, like when we do head on

1001
00:52:46,453 --> 00:52:50,213
Speaker 14: like a more regular your phase it Day's headline tour

1002
00:52:50,533 --> 00:52:52,373
Speaker 14: in the US or headline shows in the US, it

1003
00:52:52,413 --> 00:52:55,773
Speaker 14: is actually quite similar. Like it's actually, you know, when

1004
00:52:55,773 --> 00:52:58,013
Speaker 14: you talk to people afterwards, it's just the accents different,

1005
00:52:58,053 --> 00:53:00,613
Speaker 14: But other than that, it's actually it is really similar.

1006
00:53:01,493 --> 00:53:03,813
Speaker 2: And really just finally, when you're making music, do you

1007
00:53:03,853 --> 00:53:05,853
Speaker 2: think about the way your audience is going to relate

1008
00:53:06,053 --> 00:53:07,813
Speaker 2: or do you make it and put it out there

1009
00:53:07,853 --> 00:53:10,333
Speaker 2: in the world for people to enjoy however they and

1010
00:53:10,453 --> 00:53:12,293
Speaker 2: interpret it, interpret however they like.

1011
00:53:13,813 --> 00:53:16,093
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I usually just try, Like I mean,

1012
00:53:16,133 --> 00:53:19,813
Speaker 14: I have tried to write in a way of like, oh,

1013
00:53:19,893 --> 00:53:22,613
Speaker 14: this will go down well, but it doesn't really work.

1014
00:53:23,053 --> 00:53:25,453
Speaker 14: But it doesn't really. I don't find it very conducive

1015
00:53:25,453 --> 00:53:28,733
Speaker 14: to my creativity to think too much about the audience

1016
00:53:28,853 --> 00:53:31,013
Speaker 14: early on. I just sort of try to leave that

1017
00:53:31,733 --> 00:53:36,413
Speaker 14: later in the creative process. I off. Now, I try

1018
00:53:36,453 --> 00:53:39,253
Speaker 14: my best to just write for myself. And I feel

1019
00:53:39,293 --> 00:53:41,333
Speaker 14: like you hear that all the time, but I I

1020
00:53:41,373 --> 00:53:44,853
Speaker 14: really do try to just write what makes me feel

1021
00:53:45,173 --> 00:53:48,173
Speaker 14: excited and what's resonating with me, because I know that

1022
00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:52,413
Speaker 14: if I trust that and follow that, it will resonate

1023
00:53:52,453 --> 00:53:54,613
Speaker 14: with other people. So I do try to just pull

1024
00:53:54,613 --> 00:53:57,853
Speaker 14: it in and and and follow my nose on on

1025
00:53:58,013 --> 00:54:01,493
Speaker 14: what feels exciting to me. And yeah, and that's that's

1026
00:54:01,493 --> 00:54:05,293
Speaker 14: how I've been working lately anyway, and it's been it's been, yeah,

1027
00:54:05,413 --> 00:54:07,053
Speaker 14: very conducive to creativity.

1028
00:54:07,133 --> 00:54:10,853
Speaker 2: I'm finding Amelia best of luck with the tour in

1029
00:54:10,893 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 2: the US and congratulations on the big wins this week.

1030
00:54:14,173 --> 00:54:17,053
Speaker 14: Well done, Thank you, Francisca, thanks for having me.

1031
00:54:17,733 --> 00:54:21,413
Speaker 2: That was Amelia Murray, who you may know as phaser days.

1032
00:54:21,733 --> 00:54:25,573
Speaker 2: Go and have and listen to her gorgeous album Soft Power.

1033
00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:29,693
Speaker 2: She won Album of the Year and also Best Seller

1034
00:54:29,893 --> 00:54:33,413
Speaker 2: Artist at the Artro Music Awards this week. It is

1035
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Speaker 2: twenty two past ten. You're with News Talks above.

1036
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1044
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Speaker 2: Tally shows for us to enjoy Overking Birthday weekend. Good morning, Tara,

1047
00:55:09,093 --> 00:55:13,253
Speaker 2: Good morning Okay, I have delved into Netflix's new show

1048
00:55:13,333 --> 00:55:17,893
Speaker 2: Department Q, basically because I love Matthew Good and also

1049
00:55:17,893 --> 00:55:19,733
Speaker 2: I love listening to Scottish accents.

1050
00:55:20,773 --> 00:55:21,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, what did you think?

1051
00:55:21,573 --> 00:55:22,253
Speaker 15: Did you enjoy it?

1052
00:55:22,413 --> 00:55:22,653
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1053
00:55:22,653 --> 00:55:24,533
Speaker 2: I did. I think it takes a little while to

1054
00:55:24,533 --> 00:55:27,573
Speaker 2: get into. I mean, Matthew Good is definitely very committed

1055
00:55:27,613 --> 00:55:29,773
Speaker 2: to the role. He looks as tortured as his character

1056
00:55:29,813 --> 00:55:32,253
Speaker 2: should be, and he's not a particularly nice guy. But

1057
00:55:32,373 --> 00:55:34,573
Speaker 2: as we proceed, I can see that you're going to

1058
00:55:34,653 --> 00:55:36,333
Speaker 2: kind of warm to him. Would that be fair?

1059
00:55:36,493 --> 00:55:36,693
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1060
00:55:36,813 --> 00:55:40,973
Speaker 15: Yeah, absolutely. This is a new Scottish crime thriller. It's

1061
00:55:41,013 --> 00:55:43,813
Speaker 15: made by the team behind The Queen's Gambit and it

1062
00:55:43,893 --> 00:55:46,573
Speaker 15: is about a police detective called Carl Mark who's played

1063
00:55:46,573 --> 00:55:50,133
Speaker 15: by Matthew Good. And Mark is recovering from a traumatic

1064
00:55:50,213 --> 00:55:53,253
Speaker 15: incident on the job. He's not well liked, he's difficult

1065
00:55:53,253 --> 00:55:55,533
Speaker 15: to work with, he's suffering a lot of guilt and

1066
00:55:55,573 --> 00:55:57,453
Speaker 15: when he comes back to work, he's sent to the

1067
00:55:57,453 --> 00:56:00,933
Speaker 15: basement and given a new job, working completely on his

1068
00:56:00,973 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 15: own as the head of Department Q, which is a

1069
00:56:03,813 --> 00:56:09,453
Speaker 15: new cold case units a publicity stunt basically to reassure

1070
00:56:09,493 --> 00:56:12,333
Speaker 15: the public that the police are taking crime seriously, and

1071
00:56:12,373 --> 00:56:16,373
Speaker 15: so it's not expected to succeed. But Mark builds this

1072
00:56:16,693 --> 00:56:20,293
Speaker 15: team of colleagues who like him, do things differently, and

1073
00:56:20,333 --> 00:56:24,093
Speaker 15: they start investigating this four year old cold case involving

1074
00:56:24,093 --> 00:56:27,013
Speaker 15: a young lawyer. So there's two storylines running through here.

1075
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,533
Speaker 15: But it did grab me from the very first second.

1076
00:56:30,133 --> 00:56:34,293
Speaker 15: It's got energy, it's dark and gritty. There's some brilliant

1077
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Speaker 15: sarcastic humor in this, and as you say, it does

1078
00:56:38,453 --> 00:56:42,053
Speaker 15: take its time and sort of carefully crafting that world

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00:56:42,093 --> 00:56:45,933
Speaker 15: of people and places and moments that you get pulled into.

1080
00:56:46,373 --> 00:56:48,293
Speaker 15: So it's a crime thriller, but I think it's going

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00:56:48,333 --> 00:56:51,813
Speaker 15: to kind of turn into a very moody, gothic psychological

1082
00:56:51,893 --> 00:56:56,373
Speaker 15: thriller as well. And perfect timing for the long wintery

1083
00:56:56,573 --> 00:56:58,973
Speaker 15: weekend at nine episodes, and I think if you like

1084
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:01,973
Speaker 15: Line of Duty, if you like Slow Horses or Luther,

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Speaker 15: I think you'll like this one as well.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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00:57:05,173 --> 00:57:07,013
Speaker 2: I like the structure of it as well. I don't

1088
00:57:07,013 --> 00:57:08,413
Speaker 2: want to give away too much about the plot, but

1089
00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:10,533
Speaker 2: the way that those two storylines were kind of working together,

1090
00:57:10,613 --> 00:57:12,413
Speaker 2: I didn't see y one coming, so I like that

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00:57:12,493 --> 00:57:15,173
Speaker 2: as well. Hey, the Better Sister is starting on Prime Video.

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00:57:15,333 --> 00:57:18,893
Speaker 2: Awesome cast Jessica Bill and Elizabeth Banks, and I've only

1093
00:57:18,933 --> 00:57:20,973
Speaker 2: watched the first episode of this, but what I liked

1094
00:57:20,973 --> 00:57:23,973
Speaker 2: about it was, I have no idea whether this is

1095
00:57:24,013 --> 00:57:26,453
Speaker 2: going to go because all the characters seem dodgy.

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Speaker 15: Tara, Yes, it's so true, and it's kind of tapping

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00:57:30,053 --> 00:57:33,173
Speaker 15: into that white lotus thing that we're getting a lot

1098
00:57:33,173 --> 00:57:35,653
Speaker 15: of it at the moment, where you know, it's glossy

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00:57:35,693 --> 00:57:38,293
Speaker 15: and beautiful, and it's about the lives of wealthy people

1100
00:57:38,373 --> 00:57:42,213
Speaker 15: who outwardly everything is perfect, but underneath it's all kind

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00:57:42,253 --> 00:57:44,853
Speaker 15: of terrible and there's lots of secrets. But your Sisters

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00:57:44,893 --> 00:57:48,533
Speaker 15: Jessica Bill and Elizabeth Banks, who play two estrange sisters

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00:57:48,533 --> 00:57:51,733
Speaker 15: who are forced to reconcile after one of their husbands

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00:57:51,813 --> 00:57:55,533
Speaker 15: is murdered. Chloe is a high powered media executive. She's

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00:57:55,613 --> 00:57:58,613
Speaker 15: very successful and she's in the public eye and her

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00:57:58,653 --> 00:58:02,213
Speaker 15: sister Nicki is a recovering at it. And when Chloe's

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00:58:02,253 --> 00:58:04,693
Speaker 15: husband is killed one night, the two sisters have to

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00:58:04,733 --> 00:58:07,893
Speaker 15: sort out their own issues in order to protect themselves

1109
00:58:07,973 --> 00:58:10,773
Speaker 15: and their family from being framed from the crime. But

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00:58:10,813 --> 00:58:13,093
Speaker 15: there's a bit of ambiguity in there. In that first

1111
00:58:13,093 --> 00:58:17,573
Speaker 15: episode about about whether what we're seeing is true, and

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Speaker 15: I think I found the key to this was suspending

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00:58:21,013 --> 00:58:22,973
Speaker 15: belief a bit. The first episode I felt was a

1114
00:58:23,013 --> 00:58:26,013
Speaker 15: little bit slow, again, taking its time to set things up.

1115
00:58:26,253 --> 00:58:28,213
Speaker 15: And if you've watched a lot of crime dramas, there's

1116
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:31,053
Speaker 15: some distracting stuff going on here, people walking through the

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00:58:31,093 --> 00:58:34,493
Speaker 15: crime scene and hiding evidence in unusual ways.

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Speaker 14: But there is some.

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Speaker 5: Good stuff how here.

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Speaker 15: Jessica Beale and Elizabeth Banks are both great in this.

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Speaker 15: You know what I mean when I say yeah, I

1122
00:58:41,493 --> 00:58:43,893
Speaker 15: love and love it. Yeah, And I think this is

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00:58:43,933 --> 00:58:45,773
Speaker 15: probably a show that you can put on and admire

1124
00:58:45,813 --> 00:58:47,733
Speaker 15: the clothes and the nice houses and the beach views

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00:58:47,773 --> 00:58:49,733
Speaker 15: and just sort of be slowly pulled into it and

1126
00:58:49,773 --> 00:58:51,093
Speaker 15: not have to think too hard about it.

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Speaker 2: And you got a comedy for us.

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Speaker 15: Yes, this is Brassak. This is a British comedy. It's

1129
00:58:56,493 --> 00:58:59,213
Speaker 15: not a new show. It's been around since twenty nineteen,

1130
00:58:59,293 --> 00:59:01,733
Speaker 15: but five seasons of it have just landed on Netflix.

1131
00:59:01,733 --> 00:59:03,693
Speaker 15: So I think this is going to give that show

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00:59:03,773 --> 00:59:05,693
Speaker 15: a whole new audience in New Zealand. It's already in

1133
00:59:06,133 --> 00:59:09,853
Speaker 15: the endlist already, but it's set in a small village

1134
00:59:09,973 --> 00:59:12,333
Speaker 15: in the north of England, and it's about five young

1135
00:59:12,813 --> 00:59:16,013
Speaker 15: working class men who have all grown up together. They're

1136
00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:17,253
Speaker 15: stuck in this small town.

1137
00:59:17,493 --> 00:59:18,013
Speaker 5: They're broke.

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00:59:18,373 --> 00:59:20,773
Speaker 15: There isn't any jobs and so they spend their days

1139
00:59:20,773 --> 00:59:24,533
Speaker 15: doing petty crimes, things like stealing Shetland ponies to order.

1140
00:59:25,093 --> 00:59:26,853
Speaker 15: And one of the friends wants to leave their village

1141
00:59:26,853 --> 00:59:28,733
Speaker 15: and go off and do bigger and better things, and

1142
00:59:28,773 --> 00:59:30,973
Speaker 15: it makes the others start to question what they want

1143
00:59:30,973 --> 00:59:32,973
Speaker 15: to do with their lives. Now, I will say this

1144
00:59:33,133 --> 00:59:36,093
Speaker 15: is not a politically correct TV show. It's created by

1145
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,773
Speaker 15: Joe Gilgan, who plays Vinie in This and who was

1146
00:59:38,813 --> 00:59:42,613
Speaker 15: also in This Is England. It reminded me of Shameless

1147
00:59:42,693 --> 00:59:45,413
Speaker 15: and or the in between Ers. You know, there's a

1148
00:59:45,453 --> 00:59:47,453
Speaker 15: lot of swearing, there's a lot of dodgy behavior, but

1149
00:59:47,533 --> 00:59:50,573
Speaker 15: it is very funny and it's about friendship and small

1150
00:59:50,573 --> 00:59:53,373
Speaker 15: town life and trying to do the right thing and

1151
00:59:53,413 --> 00:59:55,973
Speaker 15: failing over and over again. And it's got heart to it,

1152
00:59:56,333 --> 00:59:58,253
Speaker 15: which I think is what makes it so watchable and

1153
00:59:58,373 --> 01:00:01,213
Speaker 15: likable and why you end up backing these lovable rogues

1154
01:00:01,253 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 15: because there's heart and warmth inness and it is very

1155
01:00:03,973 --> 01:00:04,533
Speaker 15: funny as.

1156
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Speaker 2: Well wonderful Thank you so much. Tarras recommendations Today, Department

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Speaker 2: Q is on Netflix, The Better Sister Prime Video, and

1158
01:00:12,853 --> 01:00:16,253
Speaker 2: Bressik is on Netflix. And I've just seen that Lrita

1159
01:00:16,413 --> 01:00:19,973
Speaker 2: Switt who was eight it was hot Lips. And the

1160
01:00:20,013 --> 01:00:22,293
Speaker 2: TV show Mash has passed away. If you're a fan

1161
01:00:22,333 --> 01:00:24,413
Speaker 2: of the TV show Mash, you'll know exactly who I'm

1162
01:00:24,453 --> 01:00:28,573
Speaker 2: talking about. Died at age eighty seven. It is twenty

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Speaker 2: eight to eleven News Talks ABB.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

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01:00:38,293 --> 01:00:39,613
Speaker 1: on News Talks AB.

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Speaker 16: Flowers, rub my name and see.

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01:00:47,893 --> 01:00:50,773
Speaker 17: Doctor myself for hours.

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Speaker 3: Sit as you don't understand.

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Speaker 17: I can take myself daddy, and again, Oh money.

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Speaker 3: Can love me better?

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Speaker 2: Hell Disney legend Miley Cyrus. She has released her ninth album.

1172
01:01:12,813 --> 01:01:14,613
Speaker 2: The thirty two year old pop star has built a

1173
01:01:14,613 --> 01:01:17,733
Speaker 2: career out of being, you know, pretty spontaneous and speaking

1174
01:01:17,733 --> 01:01:20,373
Speaker 2: her mind, and she certainly has form when it comes

1175
01:01:20,373 --> 01:01:24,253
Speaker 2: to going off piece. But her last album featuring the

1176
01:01:24,373 --> 01:01:28,013
Speaker 2: song the world's biggest selling single of twenty twenty three, Flowers.

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Speaker 2: It had two point seven billion streams that year, and

1178
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Speaker 2: Miley actually bagged her first ever Grammy win as well

1179
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Speaker 2: with it this time around though. The new album it's

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Speaker 2: called Something Beautiful. It's going to be accompanied by a

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01:01:40,173 --> 01:01:43,373
Speaker 2: visual component, so it's debuting at the Tribeca Film Festival

1182
01:01:43,373 --> 01:01:48,173
Speaker 2: next weekend. It's a concept album, apparently with its psychedelic edge,

1183
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Speaker 2: and the album is being described as a return to form.

1184
01:01:51,773 --> 01:01:54,573
Speaker 2: I don't know. Two point seven billion streams sounds like

1185
01:01:54,613 --> 01:01:58,253
Speaker 2: someone's inform anyway. Our music reviewer is Dale Clifford will

1186
01:01:58,293 --> 01:02:02,973
Speaker 2: be with us just before midday to talk about the album. Next,

1187
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Speaker 2: Paul Stenhouse is with us. It is to talk tea.

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01:02:06,573 --> 01:02:09,413
Speaker 2: It is twenty four to eleven, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 9: The Ministry of Transport Aviation flight times and Productivity report

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Speaker 9: James meag is, the Associate Minister of Transporting, is whether

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Speaker 9: us are these numbers acceptable or not?

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Speaker 18: I want to look at making sure those trends over

1194
01:02:23,453 --> 01:02:26,173
Speaker 18: time are going downwards and the airlines are focusing on

1195
01:02:26,213 --> 01:02:28,293
Speaker 18: the areas that are causing issues for travelers, like if

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Speaker 18: you look at twenty percent cancelation rates for Katia, James,

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Speaker 18: can I be honest? I mean fitty younger, honestly, Fitty

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Speaker 18: younger drive I mean, for goodness sake, what do you

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Speaker 18: expect in a third world country, which we are these days? Sadly,

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Speaker 18: do you honestly expect to hop on a seven three

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01:02:43,933 --> 01:02:46,453
Speaker 18: seven to fitty younger and take off on time and be.

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Speaker 3: Served a cocktail?

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Speaker 9: Fact Tuesday, from six am, the Mic Asking Breakfast with

1204
01:02:50,653 --> 01:02:53,133
Speaker 9: the Rain Drove of Vila News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Take time and Paul Stenhouse joins us. Now, good morning,

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01:02:56,693 --> 01:02:59,733
Speaker 2: good morning. What's up with Instagram? They're no longer square?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: This is getting a bit much, isn't it. There was

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01:03:02,613 --> 01:03:05,373
Speaker 6: a really good time back when tweets for one hundred

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01:03:05,373 --> 01:03:09,333
Speaker 6: and forty characters and Instagram images were squares and that

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01:03:09,533 --> 01:03:12,293
Speaker 6: was it. You had to be creative within your square,

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01:03:12,773 --> 01:03:14,533
Speaker 6: and that was kind of the beauty of it. And

1213
01:03:14,653 --> 01:03:18,853
Speaker 6: now there's reels, and there's slide shows, and there's all

1214
01:03:18,893 --> 01:03:21,453
Speaker 6: sorts of aspect ratios of pictures. Now you might have

1215
01:03:21,573 --> 01:03:24,413
Speaker 6: noticed that they started changing it. They went from squeers

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01:03:24,453 --> 01:03:28,333
Speaker 6: recently the sort of taller images, and they've just announced

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01:03:28,413 --> 01:03:31,173
Speaker 6: that they are going to now let you put up

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01:03:31,733 --> 01:03:34,293
Speaker 6: three by four photos. Now, those are the ones that

1219
01:03:34,333 --> 01:03:37,373
Speaker 6: you typically used to take on ya Kodak camera, right,

1220
01:03:37,893 --> 01:03:39,813
Speaker 6: so you now will be able to put them at

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01:03:39,893 --> 01:03:43,453
Speaker 6: that same ratio on Instagram. Now you might be thinking, Paul,

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01:03:43,493 --> 01:03:44,693
Speaker 6: that it's just the ratio.

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Speaker 16: Who cares?

1224
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Speaker 6: Why do I think this is interesting? I have a theory,

1225
01:03:48,693 --> 01:03:49,693
Speaker 6: and I give you my theory.

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Speaker 2: Yes please, Okay.

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Speaker 6: So I live in a pretty touristy area of Brooklyn

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01:03:55,293 --> 01:03:58,533
Speaker 6: in New York. And what's really interesting is that there's

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Speaker 6: all these tourists that come to New York City with

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Speaker 6: like point and shoot cameras. And I don't mean fancy

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01:04:05,093 --> 01:04:08,533
Speaker 6: DSLRs with big lenses. I mean like it's like we've

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Speaker 6: transported ourselves back to two thousand and six and you

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01:04:13,013 --> 01:04:15,293
Speaker 6: used to take your digital camera out and you take

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Speaker 6: photos of you and your friends doing stuff. It seems

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Speaker 6: to be back. Do you know why they shoot in

1236
01:04:21,573 --> 01:04:24,013
Speaker 6: four B three? And I think that's the reason why

1237
01:04:24,013 --> 01:04:26,973
Speaker 6: Instagram is doing this. I think there's a resurgence of

1238
01:04:27,493 --> 01:04:29,733
Speaker 6: the point and shoot camera taking place right now.

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Speaker 3: There is.

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Speaker 2: My sixteen year old daughter has gone around our house

1241
01:04:32,693 --> 01:04:34,733
Speaker 2: and gone through all the drawers and found all of

1242
01:04:34,733 --> 01:04:37,133
Speaker 2: our old cameras, which then require us to sort of

1243
01:04:37,173 --> 01:04:40,773
Speaker 2: find batteries or you know, reach charges and then but no,

1244
01:04:40,853 --> 01:04:42,693
Speaker 2: but that's a nightmare because then you've got to find

1245
01:04:42,693 --> 01:04:45,213
Speaker 2: the cable that you know fits thanks to the computer,

1246
01:04:45,373 --> 01:04:47,133
Speaker 2: or you have to find something that the card can

1247
01:04:47,173 --> 01:04:48,853
Speaker 2: go in. And I'm like, can you just do this

1248
01:04:48,893 --> 01:04:51,093
Speaker 2: on your phone? She's like, no, I really need to

1249
01:04:51,173 --> 01:04:53,893
Speaker 2: use this. I want to use this handheld old camera.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I was at dinner last week and I'm not

1252
01:04:57,693 --> 01:05:01,053
Speaker 6: kidding the table both in front of us and behind us,

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01:05:01,293 --> 01:05:05,413
Speaker 6: we're both taking food photos with appointment shoot. And I'll

1254
01:05:05,413 --> 01:05:08,653
Speaker 6: say what again right now? But you know, we've got

1255
01:05:08,653 --> 01:05:11,693
Speaker 6: AI on one hand, and then we've got old school technology.

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Speaker 6: And maybe that's the reason maybe the kids are rebelling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't want to make it easy. They don't

1258
01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:17,973
Speaker 2: want to take a phone that, you know, take a

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01:05:17,973 --> 01:05:20,333
Speaker 2: photo on their phone that they can immediately post. Maybe

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01:05:20,333 --> 01:05:22,853
Speaker 2: they like this process of having to you know. But

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01:05:23,093 --> 01:05:24,733
Speaker 2: I get into something. I don't know, I don't know what.

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01:05:24,813 --> 01:05:26,293
Speaker 2: I'd sort of looked at my daughter and just went

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01:05:26,333 --> 01:05:27,773
Speaker 2: with it. But I didn't actually say to her whine

1264
01:05:27,773 --> 01:05:30,013
Speaker 2: because I just really liked the photos. I'm leaving it

1265
01:05:30,013 --> 01:05:31,373
Speaker 2: to it. But yeah, I think you've hit the nail

1266
01:05:31,373 --> 01:05:34,533
Speaker 2: on the head there. Hey, I'm a little bit concerned.

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01:05:35,013 --> 01:05:41,253
Speaker 2: About Gmail and how it's going to start automatically summarizing emails.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and it's coming. They're slowly rolling this out over

1269
01:05:46,213 --> 01:05:49,133
Speaker 6: two weeks. I mean Google has spent I don't know

1270
01:05:49,173 --> 01:05:51,733
Speaker 6: now how many millions of dollars on Gemini, which is

1271
01:05:51,773 --> 01:05:56,133
Speaker 6: the AI fancy thing, and so they obviously trying to

1272
01:05:56,133 --> 01:05:57,853
Speaker 6: get people to use it and try to make it

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01:05:57,933 --> 01:06:00,333
Speaker 6: useful for people so they feel like they, you know,

1274
01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:03,173
Speaker 6: they're getting some value out of it, because you're paying

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Speaker 6: for it if you use Google for your work email

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01:06:05,973 --> 01:06:08,853
Speaker 6: and call and all that type of thing now, and

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01:06:08,933 --> 01:06:12,133
Speaker 6: so like it or not, Google is going to start

1278
01:06:12,173 --> 01:06:15,933
Speaker 6: looking at complex emails, is how they call it. So

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01:06:15,973 --> 01:06:18,813
Speaker 6: I guess emails with lots of replies and at the

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Speaker 6: top of the email, it's going to start summarizing that effectively,

1281
01:06:23,373 --> 01:06:25,453
Speaker 6: so you don't have to go and read through all

1282
01:06:25,493 --> 01:06:29,253
Speaker 6: of the sue and finances this and Joe and Hr

1283
01:06:29,373 --> 01:06:31,853
Speaker 6: says that or whatever it is, it's just going to

1284
01:06:31,853 --> 01:06:34,573
Speaker 6: be able to be summarized into one place. And it's

1285
01:06:34,613 --> 01:06:37,133
Speaker 6: currently something you can do manually. But again, here's the

1286
01:06:37,173 --> 01:06:40,253
Speaker 6: interesting part. They're forcing it now to happen, and it's

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01:06:40,333 --> 01:06:44,293
Speaker 6: just going to appear and they obviously have so many customers.

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Speaker 6: It takes a while to roll these things out, so

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Speaker 6: it will happen. It'll be on your mobile phone on

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Speaker 6: the Gmail app if you use that for work, and

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Speaker 6: it's going to be rolling out over these next two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Does this mean that you're going to need to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit more to the point and not nuanced

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Speaker 2: to know emails?

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Speaker 13: The opposite. It's going to do it for you, So

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Speaker 13: you can just you can.

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Speaker 6: You should open up your voice transcript and just like

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Speaker 6: talk into your phone and give it three hundred words pontificating,

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Speaker 6: and it's going to.

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Speaker 5: Sort it out for me.

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Speaker 13: It's going to do your it's going to do your

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Speaker 13: colleagues of favor.

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Speaker 2: He's oping. Thank you so much, Paul. Nice to catch up.

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Speaker 2: It is seventeen two eleven. Up next, We've got to

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Speaker 2: love you, little Merlow for you. You're with the News

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Speaker 2: Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 1: Francesca Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jack Tame

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Speaker 2: Good to have you with us. Look, we're having a

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Speaker 2: lot of texts when people say, what were Tara's TV

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Speaker 2: shows that she spoke about. Department Q on Netflix, the

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Speaker 2: Scottish crime thriller The Better Sister is on Prime Video

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Speaker 2: with Jessica Bielle and Elizabeth Banks. And then the comedy

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Speaker 2: she mentioned is brask and that is on Netflix. I

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Speaker 2: know you've got a long weekend.

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Speaker 3: Heads.

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Speaker 2: People are preparing their television viewing right now, though, it

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Speaker 2: is time to talk wine, and our wine expert Cameron

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Speaker 2: Douglas is with us.

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Speaker 19: Good morning Cameron, Good morning Francesca.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so are you the kind of person who sort

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Speaker 2: of changes wine with the season, Like we're getting into winter,

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Speaker 2: so you're heading into to a Merlow or red or

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Speaker 2: actually do you just drink at any time of the year.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely change my drinking choices when the cuisine that we

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Speaker 19: have available to us changes as well. And Merlow is

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Speaker 19: such a great option because it's one of those catch

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Speaker 19: all wines that can go with everything from chicken soup

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Speaker 19: to chicken baladine, to a piece of steak or even

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Speaker 19: a vegetarian lasagna. You know, it's it's a wine that

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Speaker 19: just weaves its fruit pleasures in amongst all the textures

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Speaker 19: of food. So seamlessly well.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the Haha Merlow twenty twenty three from

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Speaker 2: hawks Bay.

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Speaker 19: The Haha Merlow, by the way, haha in today o

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Speaker 19: Maori means catch your breath. So if you're running to

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Speaker 19: the liquor store today just to find a bottle of wine,

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Speaker 19: the haha labels really does stick out quite easily on

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Speaker 19: the shop shelves for you. So, wine that's grown and

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Speaker 19: vinified in hawks Bay, and it's one of those expressions

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Speaker 19: being sub twenty dollars has text all the boxes in

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Speaker 19: terms of fruit, you know, all that plumminess and the

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Speaker 19: plushness of texture with softer tannins and more medium style acidity.

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Speaker 19: So it has the ability to tease the palate with

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Speaker 19: texture and flavor and sort of buddy up quite nicely

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Speaker 19: or cuddle up nicely to food. So it's a very

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Speaker 19: well made wine and with it gives you more bang

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Speaker 19: for your buck.

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Speaker 2: And twenty twenty three is twenty twenty five the year

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Speaker 2: to drink it.

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Speaker 19: I you know what I would say, So you know

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Speaker 19: it's it's on the shelves now and it's ready to go,

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Speaker 19: and it's done all its aging in bottle in the

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Speaker 19: cellar for the Haha Wine Company. So it's really grab

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Speaker 19: unscrew that screw cat and off you go.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three was a pretty challenging year in the

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Speaker 2: North Island. Was challenged with a lot of wind and rain.

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Speaker 2: Of course, being in the Hawk's Bay, I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: a lot of the wine makers had very difficult times.

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Speaker 19: How is that all recovering, Well, you're quite right. Hawk's

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Speaker 19: Bay did get a lot more rain and wind and

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Speaker 19: weather impacts like Dismond did throughout that growing season. Are

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Speaker 19: they recovering.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 19: Vines have this remarkable ability to have a recovery time,

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Speaker 19: meaning that the following year they're relaxing back into a

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Speaker 19: typical season, and then twenty twenty five has come along

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Speaker 19: and delivered us something special. There are pockets of land

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Speaker 19: and Hawk's Bay that haven't recovered. Some of the other

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Speaker 19: crops that are grown down there, like apple orchards, some

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Speaker 19: of them will never come back again. But vineyards have

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Speaker 19: a wonderful ability or vines have a wonderful ability to

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Speaker 19: recover if you give them the chance and you look

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Speaker 19: after the soil, which is what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: O Cameron. So if we were going to have the

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Speaker 2: perfect meal to enjoy our haha, merlow Worth, what would

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Speaker 2: you recommend?

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Speaker 19: Well, like I said at the beginning, it can go

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Speaker 19: with everything from soup to meat to vegetarian dishes. But

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Speaker 19: what I've suggesting that you think about which a lot

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Speaker 19: of households have, and that is chicken. And if you

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Speaker 19: grab a chicken breast, a leg and ballatine, that meaning

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Speaker 19: that you're pulling the bone out and you're putting something

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Speaker 19: inside and rolling it up. I'm suggesting spinach or sorry,

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Speaker 19: that chicken leg ballatined with spinach, lentils and prunes, and

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Speaker 19: you roll that up, tied up if you like, and

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Speaker 19: then bake it in the oven. If you're not a

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Speaker 19: big fan of lentils, put them on the side instead.

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Speaker 19: If you're not a big fan of prunes, substituted out

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Speaker 19: with dates or raisins or even dried apricots. And what

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Speaker 19: that does is it gives you your head of protein

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Speaker 19: from the chicken, but a lot of fruity undertones and

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Speaker 19: earthy undertones that work remarkably well with one like the haha, merlo.

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Speaker 2: It sounds delicious. Cameraon you a bit of a chef?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 19: I used to be? Actually, once upon a time first

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Speaker 19: career in the kitchen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that'll makes sense then, because I was going

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Speaker 2: this is this is sounding very sophisticated, this meal.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, camera. Nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: It is a ten to eleven year with news talks, EB.

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Speaker 1: Gardening with still chaf free, autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

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Speaker 11: Good morning, A very good morning to you, Francesca. How

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Speaker 11: are you going.

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Speaker 2: I'm really good, Thank you. I love your topic today.

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Speaker 2: You're just going to talk about you know, as we're

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Speaker 2: heading to the shortest day of the year, we can

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Speaker 2: just put a little bit of color and liven up

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Speaker 2: the garden a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I think. I think people don't always think about that.

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01:12:51,413 --> 01:12:55,013
Speaker 11: They got, oh it's winter or whatever, which is not

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Speaker 11: until it's any first of may or June, of course,

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Speaker 11: but that's another story. But no, the point is that

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Speaker 11: I always love going to the botanic gardens or actually

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Speaker 11: just walking around my garden because my Julie is a

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Speaker 11: bit of a gardener and she has all sorts of

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Speaker 11: lovely stuff there that is actually flowering now, like such

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Speaker 11: as I'll give you an example, three dahlias.

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Speaker 5: Do you know three daily Dahl.

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Speaker 2: They go, they go tall, don't.

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Speaker 11: They absolutely like four or five meters and then against

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Speaker 11: the blue sky, that exactly against the blue sky that

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Speaker 11: we have at the moment in Canterbury, it looks gorgeous.

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Speaker 11: It's that pinky, pinky color and it is absolutely stunning.

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Speaker 11: And you know what, this is the thing. You don't

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Speaker 11: really need to do much with them. You can prune

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Speaker 11: them if you like. They'll grow back up to the

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Speaker 11: same height next year, no hassles at all. So that's

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Speaker 11: I think that's that's one of my favorites too. Nereenes

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Speaker 11: is another one. Julie has a shiver't load of neurenes

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Speaker 11: in the garden, bright pink. It's well, you know, I'm

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Speaker 11: not pink, is not me really my color, but boy,

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Speaker 11: it is spectacular. It's beautiful. It's really nice. And here

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Speaker 11: in the porthills where we don't have frost that often

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Speaker 11: or actually at all, almost and you can grow these

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01:14:16,813 --> 01:14:20,613
Speaker 11: things still at least May June July no problem. And

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Speaker 11: after that, and especially when it's not too wet, you

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01:14:23,613 --> 01:14:26,133
Speaker 11: can then transplant them and deal with them what you like.

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Speaker 2: And they're not so easy, they're not too fussy about

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01:14:28,253 --> 01:14:30,693
Speaker 2: your soil quality either, are they No.

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Speaker 11: They have the crappiest soils in the world as long

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01:14:34,133 --> 01:14:38,653
Speaker 11: as it drains. This is amazing. So and they've got

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01:14:38,693 --> 01:14:42,813
Speaker 11: selvia that is a Mexican bush, says Salvia leucantha, and

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01:14:42,853 --> 01:14:45,533
Speaker 11: that really works well in the sun as well, and

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01:14:45,613 --> 01:14:48,373
Speaker 11: it flowers up to a meter high. It's beautiful. But

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01:14:48,613 --> 01:14:53,373
Speaker 11: here comes the thing. There are still bumblebees pollinating those flowers.

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01:14:53,613 --> 01:14:56,173
Speaker 11: And there are not one or two, there are dozens

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01:14:56,213 --> 01:14:58,893
Speaker 11: of them. And to me that shows you that that

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01:14:58,973 --> 01:15:02,453
Speaker 11: means those bumblebees will be fine for next year when

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01:15:02,453 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 11: they come out as fertilized queens.

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Speaker 2: Is that a safe? Isn't cooking or not?

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01:15:07,533 --> 01:15:07,853
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:15:08,053 --> 01:15:10,573
Speaker 11: No, not a self d No, No, you don't no, no, no,

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Speaker 11: I don't think you would keep that. It might have

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01:15:13,093 --> 01:15:15,733
Speaker 11: a nice smell, I suppose, and you might be able

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01:15:15,773 --> 01:15:17,653
Speaker 11: to use it as a bit of an yeah, a

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01:15:17,653 --> 01:15:21,733
Speaker 11: bit of an on flavor, but I'm not one hundred

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01:15:21,733 --> 01:15:24,653
Speaker 11: percent sure. I wouldn't do it until you've worked it out.

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01:15:24,893 --> 01:15:28,453
Speaker 11: I don't know, Okay, I don't think so. Smoke bushes

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01:15:28,773 --> 01:15:33,333
Speaker 11: this is another one that's actually I've just been reading

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01:15:33,413 --> 01:15:36,173
Speaker 11: up on that. That's something that they've used for a

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01:15:36,253 --> 01:15:39,013
Speaker 11: long long time in gardens, and there are so many

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Speaker 11: different species. We've got the purple range like the royal

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01:15:42,733 --> 01:15:45,973
Speaker 11: purple and grace, but there's now also lime green ones

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Speaker 11: and this is the time when they leave. They're not

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01:15:49,893 --> 01:15:52,173
Speaker 11: kind of falling off yet, but they are doing these

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Speaker 11: autumn color gigs and they will be like that color

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01:15:56,733 --> 01:16:00,333
Speaker 11: for another at least two months. So that is really

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01:16:00,533 --> 01:16:02,893
Speaker 11: really nice to have in the boott at the bottom

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01:16:02,893 --> 01:16:06,733
Speaker 11: of your garden as well. And yeah, and then let's

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01:16:06,733 --> 01:16:09,413
Speaker 11: go to some trees by the way, liquid amber, you

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01:16:09,453 --> 01:16:13,773
Speaker 11: know that one, Yes, yeah, always good autumn leaves, isn't that.

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01:16:15,373 --> 01:16:18,373
Speaker 11: And they take their time to do it, which is

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01:16:18,453 --> 01:16:22,693
Speaker 11: really cool. And I'm using it especially with birds around

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01:16:23,453 --> 01:16:27,133
Speaker 11: lots of food under the leaves that falling. So when

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01:16:27,133 --> 01:16:29,293
Speaker 11: I do bird bending, like what I'm doing right now

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01:16:29,613 --> 01:16:32,853
Speaker 11: with some guys that i'm teaching, you'll find that if

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01:16:32,853 --> 01:16:35,653
Speaker 11: those leaves fall on the ground, underneath those leaves, you

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01:16:35,693 --> 01:16:38,373
Speaker 11: will find all the food that birds need and it

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01:16:38,453 --> 01:16:42,133
Speaker 11: is lovely and it is colorful. And then finally that

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01:16:42,213 --> 01:16:46,733
Speaker 11: eucalyptus you've seen that picture there, Yes, beautiful, yeah, yeah,

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01:16:46,813 --> 01:16:49,453
Speaker 11: not only that it has in the summertime. It's got

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01:16:49,493 --> 01:16:56,213
Speaker 11: these amazing gum emperor moth caterpillars four inches long, violent

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01:16:56,373 --> 01:17:01,053
Speaker 11: green with red and orange dots and blue spatters and

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01:17:01,173 --> 01:17:06,853
Speaker 11: prickly things on their back. Just amazing. But now Albert

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01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:10,893
Speaker 11: Dewey kaka everything in the neighborhood comes and gets the

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01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:14,653
Speaker 11: eucalyptus flowers. Now you wake up for that, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 2: I certainly would thank you so much. Rude, some lovely

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01:17:18,293 --> 01:17:21,933
Speaker 2: ideas there. Nice to talk to you. We're going to

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Speaker 2: finish the hour with a little bit of Lord. This

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Speaker 2: is the song that she did with Charlie Xox Girls.

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Speaker 2: So confusing and of course this one single of the

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Speaker 2: Year this week at Alterra Music Awards. Lord released new

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Speaker 2: Music Man of the Year this week as well, and

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Speaker 2: she did also say that yeah, of course I'll be

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Speaker 2: back to do a New Zealand tour. Good News Good,

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Speaker 2: keep her all right.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Francesca rudgn infanjac Day keeping the conversation

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Speaker 1: going through the weekends with Beepewer Quality Settlements for a

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Speaker 1: Sedul Energy News Talks at be.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning. Good to have you with us. It is

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Speaker 2: seven past eleven here on News Talks I'm Francisco bud

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Speaker 2: Can filling in for Jack Tame. Hey a quick congratulations

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Speaker 2: to a Canterbury school. Left Field School came up with

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Speaker 2: this excellent fundraising idea. You know how some parents raise

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Speaker 2: an eyebrow that we go on about the importance of

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Speaker 2: teaching good nutritional habits to our kids and then we

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Speaker 2: let them sell chocolate to raise money for the school. Well,

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Speaker 2: left Field, along with HOCKEYITECA based Westland Milk Products, have

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Speaker 2: got a partnership going and the school is selling butter.

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Speaker 2: They are selling west Gold butter products salted and unsulted

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Speaker 2: four bucks for a two hundred and fifty grand block.

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Speaker 2: You can buy a box of forty packs if you like.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna cost you one hundred and sixty bucks. But

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty good price. It's a competitive price out there.

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Speaker 2: The butter is expensive at the moment now. The school principal,

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Speaker 2: Rob Kevinagho, said the response to the fundraiser from the

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Speaker 2: school community has been pretty overwhelming. To be fair, he said,

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Speaker 2: I must admit I'm kind of surprised. I think I

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Speaker 2: wasn't quite aware of what a popular commodity butter is

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Speaker 2: in this d and age. Someone doesn't do the household chopping.

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Speaker 2: But look, two birds with one stone there providing the

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Speaker 2: public with a commodity, it wants it a decent price,

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Speaker 2: not flogging the chocolate and raising money to help families

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Speaker 2: with the base six when it comes to getting kids

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Speaker 2: to school.

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Speaker 3: So nice work, Francesca.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Department of Conservation is currently asking for public feedback

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Speaker 2: on its Predator Free twenty fifty strategy. One of the

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Speaker 2: big questions they ask is whether feral cats should be

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Speaker 2: added to the target species list along with you know,

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Speaker 2: eurratzy stotesy possums and things. And this is something that

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Speaker 2: Predator Free New Zealand Trust is really passionate about and

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Speaker 2: joining me now is their chief executive, Jesse Morgan. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Jesse morning.

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Speaker 10: Francesca.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Yeah, how many feral cats are there out there?

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Speaker 10: Well, we actually don't know, which is part of the problem,

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Speaker 10: but estimates are between two and a half million and

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Speaker 10: fourteen million, so there's a lot. There's a huge number

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Speaker 10: of cats in our native bush and our forests that

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Speaker 10: we don't even really see or know about.

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Speaker 2: Potentially fourteen million.

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Speaker 10: Crazy, isn't it? Like so many?

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Speaker 13: We also.

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Speaker 10: This number of owned cats in the world, so per

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Speaker 10: household in the world, so we have about to one

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Speaker 10: point two million owned cats as well to add to that.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, the feral cat numbers are rageous, really, and

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Speaker 10: we don't we don't really have a good handle on

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Speaker 10: the number of cats that are there, but we know

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Speaker 10: people that are spending time working in the bush. They

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Speaker 10: all tell us they just see them everywhere or on

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Speaker 10: their game cameras and stuff.

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Speaker 2: So once upon a time we used to say there

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Speaker 2: were more sheep in New Zealand than there were New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be saying they're all feral cats in New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: We're heading that way definitely.

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Speaker 2: So why are they not on the Predator Free twenty

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Speaker 2: fifty target species list already?

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Speaker 10: Well, when the goal was initially announced in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 10: I think that New Zealand as a country wasn't really

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Speaker 10: ready for it. We hadn't really had the conversation and

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Speaker 10: we weren't aware of the demage that feral cats were

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Speaker 10: doing to our native species. But that perception has changed

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Speaker 10: in the last kind of ten years. It's hugely shifted

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Speaker 10: and people really understand that feral cats are having a

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Speaker 10: massive impact on our native species, and so there's a

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Speaker 10: willingness now in awareness and a public wants this.

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Speaker 2: What I didn't realize is that these cats not keeping

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Speaker 2: the rats and mice and check as you might expect

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Speaker 2: them to.

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Speaker 3: No, they just can't of them.

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Speaker 10: And the rats can bring quickly that we can't keep

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Speaker 10: up with them. It's the same as rabbits. You know,

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Speaker 10: the feral cats aren't keeping on top of rat numbers either. Actually,

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Speaker 10: what happens is a number of rats and mice and

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Speaker 10: rabbits increase the feral cat numbers because there's more food

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Speaker 10: out there. So yeah, so they can't you know that

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Speaker 10: myth I guess that we grew up with that will

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Speaker 10: have a barm cat and that will keep our mice

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Speaker 10: and rats at bait, isn't isn't true. We've got really

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Speaker 10: good traps and other tools to do that.

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Speaker 2: Now, what kind of damage are they doing?

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Speaker 10: They well, they're an apex predator in New Zealand and

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Speaker 10: so nothing else predates on them. So unless humans control them,

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Speaker 10: nothing else controls their number. But we know that they

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Speaker 10: are found from the you know, from all the way

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Speaker 10: up to our alpine zones, and they hunt for fun.

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Speaker 10: They don't just hunt for hunger and so they they're

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Speaker 10: huge impact our native species duck ya. So of the

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Speaker 10: of the the Nelson Lakes, fifty percent were done by

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Speaker 10: feral cats, the other fifty percent by stouts. Last year,

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Speaker 10: one cat destroyed a whole colony of endangered urn nests

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Speaker 10: on a braided river down on Canterbury. And they eat lizards,

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Speaker 10: they eat bats. There's this famous story of them of

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Speaker 10: one cat clearing out a whole roost of bats outside Oakerney.

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Speaker 10: I think it was about one hundred and ten bats

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Speaker 10: within a week and the cat just kept going back

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Speaker 10: and eating the rats, the bats, sorry, every night until

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Speaker 10: they were gone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So clearly it's going to make a difference if

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Speaker 2: we add them to the list and humanely remove.

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Speaker 10: Them, yes, will. And by not adding them now, we

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Speaker 10: won't be able to add them to twenty thirty. And

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Speaker 10: so what that means is we're behind the eight ball

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Speaker 10: on the predative free mission, but we're then limiting kind

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Speaker 10: of funding, research, control work in the policy developed development

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Speaker 10: that's needed for us to eradicate feral cats across New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Jesse doc is currently consulting on a strategy.

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Speaker 2: How can people contribute and have essay.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they can either have this save through the doc

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Speaker 10: website or we've created a quick submit form on our

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Speaker 10: own website that's under predative Free in z dot org

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Speaker 10: forward slash submit and so they can go in there

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Speaker 10: and write their thoughts on adding feral cats to the list.

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Speaker 2: If we take a look just in general at this

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Speaker 2: mission to be predator free in twenty fifty, how are

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Speaker 2: we doing.

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 10: We're doing pretty well. I mean if you think about

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Speaker 10: when we announce this goal, we had no idea on

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Speaker 10: how we were going to do it. It was a

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Speaker 10: hugely ambitious goal and there was no recipe for us

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Speaker 10: to follow. So we've had these we've funded these large

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Speaker 10: landscape scale projects across the country including Predator Free Wellington,

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Speaker 10: Preda Free Cut and Nucky WYHIKEI and they've made these

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Speaker 10: huge impacts and you know, huge steps forward, I guess

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Speaker 10: in our learning of how we control predators in different environments,

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Speaker 10: because if we're going to do this, we can't just

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Speaker 10: do it on public conservation land. We need to do

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Speaker 10: it on productive landscapes and urban urban areas. So we

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Speaker 10: need to know how to control predators in these different places.

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Speaker 10: So that's going pretty well.

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Speaker 2: And look, Jessie, just sorry. Going back to the feral cats,

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Speaker 2: I should have asked if we are going to remove

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Speaker 2: them humanly, what does that mean, because there can be

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Speaker 2: a little there is often some controversy in the methods

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Speaker 2: that we use to try and control pests.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so well, Actually, one of the first things we'll

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Speaker 10: need to do if we add feral cats to the

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Speaker 10: list is make sure we have a clear way of

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Speaker 10: identifying an owned cat. Feral cats are really different from

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Speaker 10: our other predators because there also cats are also an

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Speaker 10: important companion animal in New Zealand. So the first thing

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Speaker 10: we'll need to do is have mandatory kind of desexing

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Speaker 10: and microchipping so that our owned cats aren't contributing to

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Speaker 10: the problem and we can identify what as an owned

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Speaker 10: cat and they won't get caught up. At the moment,

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Speaker 10: we can't do any cat control near urban areas because

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Speaker 10: we run that risk of impacting a companion cat, which

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Speaker 10: we don't want to do. So there are a huge

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Speaker 10: number of tools out there. We know that Doc has

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Speaker 10: been working on some baits so feral cats for down

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Speaker 10: on Aucord Islands, so some toxic baits, but there's also

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Speaker 10: a lot of trapping that goes on. Community groups are

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Speaker 10: already doing this across the country, but by not having

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Speaker 10: them on the list, we're limiting the research and development

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Speaker 10: that's going into new tools, and we will need new

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Speaker 10: tools in different areas.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful, Thank you so much, Jesse. That was Jesse Morgan,

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Speaker 2: chief executive, Chief executive of Predator Free New Zealand Trust.

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Speaker 2: If you want some information, you can head there or

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Speaker 2: head to the Department of Conservation if you would like

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Speaker 2: to have your say. It is a sixteen past eleven.

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Speaker 2: Up next, Mike Yardley takes us whining and dining and

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Speaker 2: biking through Arrowtown and Gibston.

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Speaker 3: Travel with Wendy wo Tours Where the world is yours

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Speaker 3: for now.

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Speaker 2: Mike Yardley is with us to talk travel.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Francisco, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: What a life you live? No, I mean you just

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Speaker 2: I mean I would never tire of whining, dining and

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Speaker 2: biking my way around Arrowtown and Gibson got very tiring,

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Speaker 2: I bet no, because it just the trail network in

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Speaker 2: the region, it just continues to expand. It kind of

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter how often you've been, there's always somewhere new explore.

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Speaker 5: Isn't there so true. Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 20: Over the last twenty years that Queenstown Trails Trust have

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Speaker 20: developed over two hundred kilometers of tracks, which is just insane.

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Speaker 20: And just a few weeks ago adding to the arsenal

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Speaker 20: the Shotover Gorge Trail, which essentially laces up the northern

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Speaker 20: edge of the Waker Tippoo Basin with the wider trails network.

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Speaker 20: So there are some really cool features on this trail, Francesca.

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Speaker 20: But I've got the Hugo Tunnel, which is about as

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Speaker 20: long as a rugby field, and this tunnel was actually

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Speaker 20: constructed over a century ago to divert the river for

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Speaker 20: gold mining. So long story short, they've now repurposed this

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Speaker 20: old tunnel as part of the trail, so you're ripped

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Speaker 20: through this tunnel. Then you've got this brand new Kimmi

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Speaker 20: Ko Bridge strung across the Shotover Gorge. So as you're

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Speaker 20: on fought on bike heading over that bridge, you've got

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Speaker 20: jet boats thundering beneath you. So a cracking new trail

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Speaker 20: to check out down in the area.

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Speaker 2: They send to do this very quickly. Were mind or

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Speaker 2: have these things been taking you know? I have no

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Speaker 2: idea Is it just my perception that they're able to

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Speaker 2: kind of keep creating tracks things relatively swiftly.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I agree, absolutely, it must be that Southern can

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Speaker 20: do grit I think Francesca.

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Speaker 5: And they've got some other like.

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Speaker 20: Really big trails in the works. One of them that

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Speaker 20: the Covereau Gorge Trail. You know that Lake Dunstan trail

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Speaker 20: just out of Cromwell, which yes, sort of wrapped around

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01:29:33,533 --> 01:29:36,333
Speaker 20: the cliffs. Yeah, so that is going to be very

1712
01:29:36,413 --> 01:29:39,253
Speaker 20: very similar to this coverdeau Gorge trail which is currently

1713
01:29:39,253 --> 01:29:42,333
Speaker 20: been constructed that will be open later in the year,

1714
01:29:42,373 --> 01:29:45,733
Speaker 20: which will actually link up with the Lake Dunstan Trail,

1715
01:29:45,853 --> 01:29:50,333
Speaker 20: so you can sort of like cantilever above the water for.

1716
01:29:50,613 --> 01:29:52,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, two of these trails in due course.

1717
01:29:53,213 --> 01:29:55,053
Speaker 2: What's so good about the Lake Hayes Loop.

1718
01:29:56,693 --> 01:29:59,413
Speaker 20: This is a really good starter, Like for people who

1719
01:29:59,493 --> 01:30:03,813
Speaker 20: aren't really into adventure biking as such. I love the

1720
01:30:03,893 --> 01:30:07,373
Speaker 20: Lake Hayes Loop because it's only a and it is

1721
01:30:07,573 --> 01:30:10,533
Speaker 20: such a scenic medley. You've got all of those soulful

1722
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:14,053
Speaker 20: mountain and lake vistas. Then you've got all the intimate

1723
01:30:14,093 --> 01:30:19,013
Speaker 20: snatches of those swanky, ghazillion dollar trophy homes popping up

1724
01:30:19,053 --> 01:30:21,893
Speaker 20: around the lake and then history there is this really

1725
01:30:21,933 --> 01:30:25,973
Speaker 20: cool little schist cottage that featured in the Mainland Cheese

1726
01:30:26,013 --> 01:30:29,533
Speaker 20: ad just back up from the lake on the terrace,

1727
01:30:29,613 --> 01:30:35,453
Speaker 20: So just a beautiful loop trail and it also connects

1728
01:30:35,493 --> 01:30:37,493
Speaker 20: with a lot of other trails, so like you can

1729
01:30:37,533 --> 01:30:40,893
Speaker 20: tootle through the Millbrook area and then onto the glam

1730
01:30:41,093 --> 01:30:43,453
Speaker 20: New Hospo Meccha of Airburn.

1731
01:30:43,693 --> 01:30:45,733
Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard a lot about this. What did you

1732
01:30:45,813 --> 01:30:48,053
Speaker 2: make of this resort style playground?

1733
01:30:48,253 --> 01:30:54,173
Speaker 20: Been at home, I could have pulled up a chair

1734
01:30:54,293 --> 01:30:58,053
Speaker 20: and quite happily been contented there for quite some time. Yes,

1735
01:30:58,773 --> 01:31:02,373
Speaker 20: it really is like a resort. So Chris Meehan is

1736
01:31:02,373 --> 01:31:06,173
Speaker 20: the guy behind this, and it's this massive family friendly

1737
01:31:06,453 --> 01:31:09,973
Speaker 20: recinct that opened about eighteen months ago. And the amazing

1738
01:31:10,013 --> 01:31:15,053
Speaker 20: thing is he basically repurposed an historic farm estate, restored

1739
01:31:15,093 --> 01:31:18,173
Speaker 20: a lot of these old properties on the estate, like

1740
01:31:18,213 --> 01:31:22,613
Speaker 20: the woolshed which is now the show piece restaurant, the

1741
01:31:22,733 --> 01:31:26,573
Speaker 20: manure room, a discerning cellar door where you can just

1742
01:31:27,013 --> 01:31:30,293
Speaker 20: tipple away happily on exceptional Airburn wines.

1743
01:31:30,733 --> 01:31:32,413
Speaker 5: And it just continues to evolve.

1744
01:31:32,453 --> 01:31:35,093
Speaker 20: I was thinking of you, Francesca, because you might have

1745
01:31:35,093 --> 01:31:38,373
Speaker 20: seen a couple of weeks ago ago, Chris announced that

1746
01:31:38,573 --> 01:31:43,293
Speaker 20: it will soon house a major two hundred million dollar

1747
01:31:43,373 --> 01:31:48,093
Speaker 20: film studio hub, so the actors will actually stay on site.

1748
01:31:48,373 --> 01:31:52,133
Speaker 20: They'll have all the production facilities there and accommodation. So yeah,

1749
01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:53,453
Speaker 20: it's all happening at Airburn.

1750
01:31:53,653 --> 01:31:56,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, no amazing. Hey what if you're heading sort of

1751
01:31:56,813 --> 01:31:58,853
Speaker 2: towards our town, where would you recommend to eat?

1752
01:32:00,293 --> 01:32:00,573
Speaker 5: Well?

1753
01:32:00,653 --> 01:32:04,013
Speaker 20: I think if you want to enjoy like a dress circle,

1754
01:32:04,213 --> 01:32:07,533
Speaker 20: perch on the main street in buckingham Stree. In our town,

1755
01:32:07,533 --> 01:32:10,013
Speaker 20: I reckon one of the best places of all. It's

1756
01:32:10,053 --> 01:32:13,013
Speaker 20: the Postmaster's Kitchen and Bar. So it's been around a while,

1757
01:32:13,853 --> 01:32:16,933
Speaker 20: but it's such a primo spot for people watching and

1758
01:32:16,973 --> 01:32:21,373
Speaker 20: the food is fabulous. You cannot beat their knock with

1759
01:32:21,653 --> 01:32:26,813
Speaker 20: napoli sauce, semi dried tomatoes, kalamata olives, parsley and.

1760
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:28,653
Speaker 5: Ricotta absolutely dilish.

1761
01:32:28,693 --> 01:32:33,493
Speaker 20: And right across the road the original BNZ building has

1762
01:32:33,653 --> 01:32:37,133
Speaker 20: just recently been fully restored to its former glory, so

1763
01:32:37,213 --> 01:32:40,853
Speaker 20: that's now actually part of the Lakes District Museum complex,

1764
01:32:40,893 --> 01:32:43,733
Speaker 20: so definitely worth checking that out as well.

1765
01:32:43,733 --> 01:32:44,453
Speaker 5: On the main street.

1766
01:32:44,653 --> 01:32:46,933
Speaker 2: Now, look, another area down and that's very popular is

1767
01:32:46,973 --> 01:32:49,813
Speaker 2: the Gibston Valley, especially with Pinahua fans.

1768
01:32:50,893 --> 01:32:54,493
Speaker 20: Yeah, and if you have dreams of sleeping amid the

1769
01:32:54,653 --> 01:32:57,893
Speaker 20: pen and wa baynes, have I got the place for you.

1770
01:32:58,013 --> 01:32:59,053
Speaker 5: Francesca Rudkin.

1771
01:32:59,933 --> 01:33:02,813
Speaker 20: You need, yes, you need to give yourself a little treat,

1772
01:33:02,853 --> 01:33:05,933
Speaker 20: a serious splurge and book a luxury stay at a

1773
01:33:05,933 --> 01:33:09,293
Speaker 20: place called Mount Rosa Lodge. The thing about this lodge

1774
01:33:09,413 --> 01:33:13,653
Speaker 20: is it's perched on the upper slopes of the Gibston Valley.

1775
01:33:13,413 --> 01:33:15,253
Speaker 5: So it is view issimo.

1776
01:33:15,533 --> 01:33:19,893
Speaker 20: It is just celestial the views and the owners Michelle

1777
01:33:19,933 --> 01:33:22,493
Speaker 20: and Stuart, they will treat you royally. The lodge is

1778
01:33:22,493 --> 01:33:25,293
Speaker 20: set around their own private vineyard and they produce the

1779
01:33:25,333 --> 01:33:30,373
Speaker 20: most delicious pino Labella Rosa. And the godfather of Gibston

1780
01:33:30,453 --> 01:33:34,733
Speaker 20: Valley's wine industry, Alan Brady, he still oversees production of

1781
01:33:35,133 --> 01:33:37,853
Speaker 20: La Bella Rosa, so you know it's going to be good.

1782
01:33:37,933 --> 01:33:40,093
Speaker 20: Mount Rosa Lodge and absolute revelation.

1783
01:33:40,213 --> 01:33:43,013
Speaker 2: Well, I am very familiar with Mount Rosa because I

1784
01:33:43,053 --> 01:33:46,253
Speaker 2: love the rose. They make a beautiful rose as well,

1785
01:33:46,293 --> 01:33:50,173
Speaker 2: which they do as a tree like to enjoy very much. Hey,

1786
01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:52,213
Speaker 2: but it's also a dark sky destination.

1787
01:33:53,373 --> 01:33:55,413
Speaker 20: Yeah, Jack and I over chatting last week about how

1788
01:33:55,453 --> 01:33:58,293
Speaker 20: more of these dark sky reserves and sanctuaries and parks

1789
01:33:58,333 --> 01:34:01,693
Speaker 20: are popping up around New Zealand and it's attracting a

1790
01:34:01,693 --> 01:34:04,893
Speaker 20: lot of astro tourism interest. The lodge, by the way,

1791
01:34:05,093 --> 01:34:07,413
Speaker 20: is nestled in the heart of the coward O Gibston

1792
01:34:07,493 --> 01:34:10,413
Speaker 20: Dark Sky Park and the really cool thing is if

1793
01:34:10,413 --> 01:34:12,173
Speaker 20: you want to take a tour of the sky on

1794
01:34:12,213 --> 01:34:15,933
Speaker 20: a story storry night. One of the lodger's neighbors is

1795
01:34:16,053 --> 01:34:21,653
Speaker 20: Professor Bryan Boyle. Now he directed to big professional Observatories

1796
01:34:21,653 --> 01:34:23,533
Speaker 20: in Australia and he was a key member of the

1797
01:34:23,533 --> 01:34:27,613
Speaker 20: team responsible for the groundbreaking.

1798
01:34:26,893 --> 01:34:28,373
Speaker 5: Discovery of dark energy.

1799
01:34:29,373 --> 01:34:32,533
Speaker 20: So quite the guy to take a tour of the

1800
01:34:32,533 --> 01:34:35,893
Speaker 20: cosmos with above Gibston. So that's another draw card to

1801
01:34:35,933 --> 01:34:36,813
Speaker 20: Mount Rose Lodge.

1802
01:34:36,853 --> 01:34:38,533
Speaker 2: Oh, I love the way. It just has to be

1803
01:34:38,573 --> 01:34:42,693
Speaker 2: living next door brilliant the world, isn't it. I love it? Hey,

1804
01:34:42,813 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Mike. I feel like I've been mad.

1805
01:34:45,413 --> 01:34:48,533
Speaker 2: Quite an adventure this morning. For more tips on whining,

1806
01:34:48,613 --> 01:34:52,053
Speaker 2: dining and cycling in Aertown and Gibston, Mike's article is

1807
01:34:52,093 --> 01:34:56,013
Speaker 2: on the website's Newstorkszbark Coto and z Ford Slash Lifestyle,

1808
01:34:56,493 --> 01:35:00,533
Speaker 2: Ford Slash Travel. It is twenty six past eleven. Jason

1809
01:35:00,573 --> 01:35:01,173
Speaker 2: Pine is.

1810
01:35:01,173 --> 01:35:07,133
Speaker 3: Up next, getting your week and started.

1811
01:35:07,333 --> 01:35:12,573
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks by

1812
01:35:12,893 --> 01:35:15,933
Speaker 1: Music Sounds Sounds Bell.

1813
01:35:18,293 --> 01:35:25,333
Speaker 2: System. Maybe coming up at mid day to day on

1814
01:35:25,333 --> 01:35:27,693
Speaker 2: News Talks. There Jason Pine with weekend Sport.

1815
01:35:27,733 --> 01:35:30,293
Speaker 16: How are you, Jason, I'm great, Francesca. Good to know

1816
01:35:30,333 --> 01:35:35,733
Speaker 16: that the dedicated workers are working today and uh and

1817
01:35:35,813 --> 01:35:39,133
Speaker 16: the flash hosts while they you know, they're having the

1818
01:35:39,253 --> 01:35:41,933
Speaker 16: long weekend off, that the true working bees are here.

1819
01:35:42,053 --> 01:35:43,813
Speaker 2: I'm just going to stop you. I don't think it's

1820
01:35:43,893 --> 01:35:46,293
Speaker 2: quite the case this morning for me. I'm filling in

1821
01:35:46,333 --> 01:35:50,013
Speaker 2: at last not minute. So we'll just we'll just leave that, right,

1822
01:35:50,533 --> 01:35:52,733
Speaker 2: we won't. We won't throw Jack under the bus and

1823
01:35:53,213 --> 01:35:57,373
Speaker 2: that he's swamming off having a lovely long weekend. Yeah,

1824
01:35:58,133 --> 01:36:00,453
Speaker 2: move on, literal we talk from sports. You don't try

1825
01:36:00,453 --> 01:36:02,893
Speaker 2: and be entertaining. Just do what you're coming to do.

1826
01:36:03,133 --> 01:36:08,093
Speaker 2: You hear about sport, okay, okay, very tense times in

1827
01:36:08,813 --> 01:36:12,093
Speaker 2: the final round of the Super Rugby and we're not

1828
01:36:12,093 --> 01:36:14,053
Speaker 2: really going to know until the end of tonight how

1829
01:36:14,053 --> 01:36:18,773
Speaker 2: it's not gonna unfold. And you know, one of Pacificer

1830
01:36:18,813 --> 01:36:21,973
Speaker 2: have got a very important game tonight, haven't they They have.

1831
01:36:22,133 --> 01:36:25,253
Speaker 16: I think most people, unless you're a Blue supporter, I

1832
01:36:25,293 --> 01:36:27,093
Speaker 16: think most people would love to see more one of

1833
01:36:27,093 --> 01:36:29,333
Speaker 16: Pacifica make the top six. I just think it's been

1834
01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:32,573
Speaker 16: a wonderful story this season when you consider they won

1835
01:36:32,933 --> 01:36:36,493
Speaker 16: a combined seven matches over the last three seasons. They've

1836
01:36:36,493 --> 01:36:39,533
Speaker 16: won six already this season. If they were to beat

1837
01:36:39,573 --> 01:36:43,053
Speaker 16: the Hurricanes tonight, they would probably make the top six.

1838
01:36:43,093 --> 01:36:45,733
Speaker 16: There's a set of circumstances under which they could still

1839
01:36:45,773 --> 01:36:49,453
Speaker 16: miss out, but you know it's you're right. We're down

1840
01:36:49,533 --> 01:36:53,133
Speaker 16: to the last weekend round sixteen and still a lot

1841
01:36:53,173 --> 01:36:56,973
Speaker 16: to be decided. Last night the Chiefs secured top spot

1842
01:36:57,213 --> 01:36:59,493
Speaker 16: without one over the Highlanders in Duned, and the Crusaders

1843
01:36:59,573 --> 01:37:01,933
Speaker 16: needed a very late try to get up over the

1844
01:37:01,933 --> 01:37:04,613
Speaker 16: Brumbies and Canberras and they've locked up second spot. The

1845
01:37:04,653 --> 01:37:07,733
Speaker 16: Brumbies are third. So we know that next weekend the Chiefs,

1846
01:37:07,733 --> 01:37:11,413
Speaker 16: the Crusaders and the Brumbies will host a finals match each.

1847
01:37:11,773 --> 01:37:14,093
Speaker 16: We just don't know who they'll be playing. The Reds

1848
01:37:14,093 --> 01:37:17,053
Speaker 16: and the Hurricanes are definitely there to be joined by

1849
01:37:17,093 --> 01:37:19,813
Speaker 16: one of Muana Pacifica the Blues or even the Waratars,

1850
01:37:19,933 --> 01:37:21,973
Speaker 16: So you're right. I mean, rather than sort of go

1851
01:37:22,013 --> 01:37:23,373
Speaker 16: down a rabbit hole and come up with all the

1852
01:37:23,413 --> 01:37:25,973
Speaker 16: different combinations and permutations which are.

1853
01:37:25,853 --> 01:37:29,333
Speaker 2: Probably just games, but we should joy the games.

1854
01:37:29,933 --> 01:37:32,933
Speaker 16: But tonight at sky Stadium, I get the feeling that

1855
01:37:33,053 --> 01:37:36,613
Speaker 16: there'll be as much support for Mowana Pacifica as there

1856
01:37:36,693 --> 01:37:39,413
Speaker 16: is for the Hurricanes, because it's the return of the

1857
01:37:39,533 --> 01:37:43,173
Speaker 16: prodigal son, Ardie Savilla back to Wellington to take on

1858
01:37:43,173 --> 01:37:46,213
Speaker 16: the Hurricanes for the first time. His brother Julians in

1859
01:37:46,293 --> 01:37:48,053
Speaker 16: tow as well. And let's not forget the coach of

1860
01:37:48,093 --> 01:37:51,213
Speaker 16: the side is probably one of the greatest Hurricanes of

1861
01:37:51,253 --> 01:37:54,493
Speaker 16: all time in tana Umaga. There are others in the squad,

1862
01:37:54,573 --> 01:37:57,493
Speaker 16: a number of them who have played previously for the Hurricanes.

1863
01:37:57,533 --> 01:38:00,813
Speaker 16: I know there's a big, big contingent of Muana fans

1864
01:38:00,853 --> 01:38:02,973
Speaker 16: coming tonight at the airport. When the team flew in

1865
01:38:03,053 --> 01:38:06,533
Speaker 16: yesterday Francisca, there were dozens of not one hundred at

1866
01:38:06,573 --> 01:38:08,213
Speaker 16: the airport to meet them.

1867
01:38:08,213 --> 01:38:09,373
Speaker 2: I that doesn't have on when the.

1868
01:38:09,413 --> 01:38:12,813
Speaker 16: Chiefs fly in or the Islanders, but Moana they're different gravy.

1869
01:38:12,933 --> 01:38:14,773
Speaker 16: So yeah, looking forward to seeing how that plays out.

1870
01:38:14,813 --> 01:38:15,053
Speaker 11: Tonight.

1871
01:38:15,093 --> 01:38:16,773
Speaker 2: Are you be talking some supper rugby on the show

1872
01:38:16,773 --> 01:38:17,373
Speaker 2: this afternoon.

1873
01:38:17,653 --> 01:38:19,813
Speaker 16: Absolutely always keen to talk ab bit of rugby, but

1874
01:38:19,893 --> 01:38:24,733
Speaker 16: also this rather sad state of affairs which rears its

1875
01:38:24,773 --> 01:38:29,133
Speaker 16: head quite regularly, unfortunate's sideline abuse of referee officials. I'm

1876
01:38:29,173 --> 01:38:30,253
Speaker 16: not sure if you caught up with this, but hot

1877
01:38:30,293 --> 01:38:32,373
Speaker 16: off into a carpandy. The provincial Union just north of

1878
01:38:32,413 --> 01:38:34,533
Speaker 16: Wellington have said, look, if this continues, we're going to

1879
01:38:34,613 --> 01:38:36,853
Speaker 16: call club rugby off. We're going to call a round

1880
01:38:36,853 --> 01:38:39,533
Speaker 16: of club rugby off if this abuse of referees does

1881
01:38:39,573 --> 01:38:42,333
Speaker 16: not cease, and so, you know, are they going to

1882
01:38:42,373 --> 01:38:45,053
Speaker 16: follow through with that threat? Is this message actually going

1883
01:38:45,093 --> 01:38:47,053
Speaker 16: to reach the right people? How on earth do we

1884
01:38:47,133 --> 01:38:50,533
Speaker 16: stop the abuse of officials from you know, who are

1885
01:38:50,613 --> 01:38:53,333
Speaker 16: volunteers at this level, from those on the sideline who

1886
01:38:53,373 --> 01:38:55,973
Speaker 16: just wander past and start, you know, start throwing shade

1887
01:38:56,013 --> 01:38:56,493
Speaker 16: at the money.

1888
01:38:56,533 --> 01:38:56,653
Speaker 8: You know?

1889
01:38:57,053 --> 01:38:59,053
Speaker 2: Is it getting worse or are we just fed up

1890
01:38:59,053 --> 01:39:01,333
Speaker 2: with it? We finally fed out getting you know, fed

1891
01:39:01,413 --> 01:39:01,813
Speaker 2: up with it.

1892
01:39:02,173 --> 01:39:02,933
Speaker 16: Both of those things.

1893
01:39:02,933 --> 01:39:03,213
Speaker 11: I think.

1894
01:39:03,253 --> 01:39:05,253
Speaker 16: I think it is getting worse. And it's not just

1895
01:39:05,293 --> 01:39:07,933
Speaker 16: a rugby problem. It happened and football as well. There

1896
01:39:07,933 --> 01:39:10,213
Speaker 16: are certain sports that doesn't happen. And I have to say,

1897
01:39:10,613 --> 01:39:12,453
Speaker 16: I watch a lot of my son play basketball and

1898
01:39:12,493 --> 01:39:14,613
Speaker 16: it doesn't seem to happen. In basketball. You kind of

1899
01:39:14,653 --> 01:39:15,853
Speaker 16: sit up there and the you know, you have a

1900
01:39:15,893 --> 01:39:18,013
Speaker 16: lot of it back from the court. You sit up there,

1901
01:39:18,053 --> 01:39:20,653
Speaker 16: you watch and if you do feel like throwing the abuse,

1902
01:39:20,693 --> 01:39:23,333
Speaker 16: the game's moved on. It's so fast moving eachally it's like,

1903
01:39:23,413 --> 01:39:26,293
Speaker 16: well that that's irrelevant now anyway. So I won't say anything,

1904
01:39:26,413 --> 01:39:27,933
Speaker 16: but I think there are some sports and I think

1905
01:39:27,973 --> 01:39:30,493
Speaker 16: I think rugby, rugby, league football have got some work

1906
01:39:30,573 --> 01:39:31,853
Speaker 16: to do in this area. So I want to chat

1907
01:39:31,893 --> 01:39:35,413
Speaker 16: about that after midday. And also, Gary Stead will not

1908
01:39:35,453 --> 01:39:38,013
Speaker 16: be black Caps coach any longer. He hasn't got an

1909
01:39:38,013 --> 01:39:40,853
Speaker 16: interview for the red ball job moving forward, which was

1910
01:39:40,893 --> 01:39:43,733
Speaker 16: the only one he wanted. So by the sounds of things,

1911
01:39:43,733 --> 01:39:46,653
Speaker 16: New Zealand Cricket aren't going to split this role between formats.

1912
01:39:46,693 --> 01:39:48,453
Speaker 16: There was a school of thought that they might have

1913
01:39:48,453 --> 01:39:50,413
Speaker 16: a red ball coach and a white ball coach. Apparently

1914
01:39:50,453 --> 01:39:53,133
Speaker 16: that's not the case. So Gary Stead's going to leave,

1915
01:39:53,173 --> 01:39:55,773
Speaker 16: and he'll probably leave with a pretty firm legacy of

1916
01:39:56,093 --> 01:39:59,573
Speaker 16: success in his seven years as black Caps coach, but

1917
01:39:59,613 --> 01:40:01,493
Speaker 16: who will take over. We'll have a chat about that

1918
01:40:01,533 --> 01:40:02,213
Speaker 16: this afternoon too.

1919
01:40:02,533 --> 01:40:05,013
Speaker 2: Lots to cover. Thank you so much, Jason, Jason. We'll

1920
01:40:05,053 --> 01:40:08,453
Speaker 2: be back at midday with Weekend Sport. If you're a

1921
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Speaker 2: tennis fan, actually, if you love Rafa, Katherine Rains has

1922
01:40:11,813 --> 01:40:15,053
Speaker 2: a book for you. Next it is twenty five to twelve.

1923
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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 5: I'b.

1926
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Speaker 2: Catherine Rains is with us now to talk books. Good morning, Catherine,

1927
01:40:26,013 --> 01:40:28,453
Speaker 2: good morning, how are you. I'm really good. Thank you.

1928
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Speaker 2: I'm very keen to hear your thoughts on Martha's Vineyard,

1929
01:40:31,253 --> 01:40:34,693
Speaker 2: Beach and Book Club by Martha Hall Kelly. I'm very

1930
01:40:34,733 --> 01:40:36,973
Speaker 2: fascinated in this part of the world.

1931
01:40:38,413 --> 01:40:40,893
Speaker 21: Me too, and I think that's that Martha's Vineyard, a

1932
01:40:41,133 --> 01:40:42,773
Speaker 21: title of it is what really drew me to it.

1933
01:40:42,813 --> 01:40:45,893
Speaker 21: But it's a historical time slip novel that's set over

1934
01:40:45,933 --> 01:40:48,773
Speaker 21: two time periods, nineteen forty two and two thousand and six.

1935
01:40:49,773 --> 01:40:52,093
Speaker 21: In nineteen forty two, it's this portrayal of life on

1936
01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:53,973
Speaker 21: the home front for a women who live and struggle

1937
01:40:54,053 --> 01:40:57,013
Speaker 21: on Martha's Vineyard in the early days of World War

1938
01:40:57,013 --> 01:40:59,853
Speaker 21: two and the book clubs. It's more of a front

1939
01:40:59,853 --> 01:41:04,133
Speaker 21: for their wartime activities and love affairs. And it's mainly

1940
01:41:04,133 --> 01:41:06,093
Speaker 21: told from the point of view of three different women

1941
01:41:06,093 --> 01:41:09,093
Speaker 21: in those two different time periods. And in twenty sixteen,

1942
01:41:09,133 --> 01:41:13,333
Speaker 21: you meet Marie Sherwood who's looking for answers to her

1943
01:41:13,333 --> 01:41:16,653
Speaker 21: family's history in Martha's Vineyard, and she decides to go

1944
01:41:16,693 --> 01:41:18,813
Speaker 21: to the island because she really wants to interview this

1945
01:41:19,013 --> 01:41:22,253
Speaker 21: famous painter about her mother's late her late mother's connection

1946
01:41:22,373 --> 01:41:25,693
Speaker 21: to this island. So when she arrives on the island,

1947
01:41:25,733 --> 01:41:28,133
Speaker 21: she's under the rus of taking a painting class and

1948
01:41:28,173 --> 01:41:33,133
Speaker 21: she meets Elizabeth Devereaux, this painter, and she begins talking

1949
01:41:33,133 --> 01:41:36,093
Speaker 21: to Elizabeth and sharing the story of these two sisters,

1950
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:38,373
Speaker 21: the Smith sisters, who lived on the island during World

1951
01:41:38,373 --> 01:41:42,093
Speaker 21: War Two, and she realizes that she's very connected to

1952
01:41:42,213 --> 01:41:45,773
Speaker 21: this past. And the story then also focuses on Cadence

1953
01:41:45,853 --> 01:41:48,133
Speaker 21: and Bria Smith, who living with their grandmother on the

1954
01:41:48,173 --> 01:41:50,093
Speaker 21: island and they're really struggling to keep a roof over

1955
01:41:50,093 --> 01:41:52,733
Speaker 21: their heads. In forty two, their brother Tom is serving

1956
01:41:52,773 --> 01:41:55,773
Speaker 21: as an army ranger and has been shipped overseas and

1957
01:41:55,853 --> 01:41:58,773
Speaker 21: along with Bess Tom's fience. They are carrying on the

1958
01:41:58,813 --> 01:42:01,413
Speaker 21: family farm and their soldiers arriving on the island, and

1959
01:42:01,453 --> 01:42:05,373
Speaker 21: there's rumors of spies circulating and this mysterious stranger that

1960
01:42:05,413 --> 01:42:08,413
Speaker 21: apparently washes a shoe, and their lives take this very

1961
01:42:08,493 --> 01:42:12,013
Speaker 21: unexpected turn, and they create this wartime book club to

1962
01:42:12,013 --> 01:42:14,613
Speaker 21: give them a sense of escape and connection. But tensions

1963
01:42:14,693 --> 01:42:18,813
Speaker 21: rise and they risk standing up for what they know

1964
01:42:18,853 --> 01:42:22,253
Speaker 21: the risks that come up, sorry, the risks that come

1965
01:42:22,293 --> 01:42:24,373
Speaker 21: with standing up for what you believe in. And the

1966
01:42:24,413 --> 01:42:27,333
Speaker 21: book intertwines the past and present really well, and Wong

1967
01:42:27,453 --> 01:42:31,733
Speaker 21: buried secrets become become a parent, and you get very

1968
01:42:31,813 --> 01:42:34,453
Speaker 21: immersed in the story, and Martha Hall Kelly tells an

1969
01:42:34,613 --> 01:42:37,413
Speaker 21: excellent story that keeps you really wanting to know what

1970
01:42:37,453 --> 01:42:38,093
Speaker 21: happens next.

1971
01:42:38,173 --> 01:42:40,893
Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of the Guernsey Literary

1972
01:42:41,173 --> 01:42:44,973
Speaker 2: and Potato Peel part Society were once again you sort

1973
01:42:44,973 --> 01:42:48,773
Speaker 2: of had this group hiding behind a society and stead

1974
01:42:48,773 --> 01:42:51,253
Speaker 2: of doing wartime things. And I've got the right book,

1975
01:42:51,293 --> 01:42:51,613
Speaker 2: can I?

1976
01:42:52,293 --> 01:42:54,413
Speaker 21: Yes you have, Yes you have, And yeah, no, they

1977
01:42:54,413 --> 01:42:57,573
Speaker 21: do feel very alike. Actually, you're very very spot on

1978
01:42:57,653 --> 01:42:57,853
Speaker 21: with that.

1979
01:42:58,453 --> 01:43:01,213
Speaker 2: Now, tell me about the Warrior Raphael and Nadal and

1980
01:43:01,293 --> 01:43:03,773
Speaker 2: His Kingdom of Clay by Christopher Cleary.

1981
01:43:04,493 --> 01:43:07,573
Speaker 21: So Christopher Clary had already had alreadyritten a book about

1982
01:43:07,653 --> 01:43:10,133
Speaker 21: Roger Federer, and on this one he obviously talks about

1983
01:43:10,173 --> 01:43:13,893
Speaker 21: Raphael Nadal. And Nadal is now of course retired from tennis,

1984
01:43:13,933 --> 01:43:18,253
Speaker 21: and he remains living in Manyoca in Ireland, off the

1985
01:43:18,413 --> 01:43:20,813
Speaker 21: coast of Spain, which has about fifty thousand people on it,

1986
01:43:20,853 --> 01:43:22,893
Speaker 21: and it's where he grew up and it's also where

1987
01:43:22,933 --> 01:43:26,493
Speaker 21: his State of the Tennis Academy is now. And it

1988
01:43:26,653 --> 01:43:30,813
Speaker 21: takes you back to Nadal's childhood and in Spain where

1989
01:43:30,813 --> 01:43:33,333
Speaker 21: most of the courts are clay, and you know, six

1990
01:43:33,453 --> 01:43:36,853
Speaker 21: year old Nadal's playing with adults, and you know he

1991
01:43:36,933 --> 01:43:40,173
Speaker 21: has this top spin forehands that you know were next

1992
01:43:40,293 --> 01:43:43,173
Speaker 21: level speed, and that's really what sets him apart in

1993
01:43:43,293 --> 01:43:46,213
Speaker 21: his career. And you know that talks about when he

1994
01:43:46,253 --> 01:43:48,293
Speaker 21: first played at the French Open in two thousand and

1995
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:51,933
Speaker 21: five and the record there for men's titles seemed completely

1996
01:43:52,013 --> 01:43:55,053
Speaker 21: out of reach. Bon Borg had six back in the

1997
01:43:55,093 --> 01:43:59,293
Speaker 21: early nineties. And it talks a lot about Nadal's winning

1998
01:43:59,333 --> 01:44:01,853
Speaker 21: attributes and how he always manages to stay in the

1999
01:44:01,893 --> 01:44:04,213
Speaker 21: moment better than his rivals. And you know, a lot

2000
01:44:04,213 --> 01:44:06,653
Speaker 21: of this is before the distractions of social media and

2001
01:44:06,693 --> 01:44:09,893
Speaker 21: cameras and streaming videos and you know, but staying in

2002
01:44:09,893 --> 01:44:12,613
Speaker 21: the moment's always been one of those really hard things

2003
01:44:12,653 --> 01:44:16,013
Speaker 21: as a tennis player. And he has some interesting routines

2004
01:44:16,053 --> 01:44:18,053
Speaker 21: when he was out on court, you know, the wild

2005
01:44:18,133 --> 01:44:20,773
Speaker 21: ticks and the pools and the wipes before you see

2006
01:44:20,813 --> 01:44:23,893
Speaker 21: and perform between every point, and it's his way, I guess,

2007
01:44:23,893 --> 01:44:26,853
Speaker 21: of staying in the zone. And one of the points

2008
01:44:26,853 --> 01:44:28,493
Speaker 21: that kind of stuck with me is he never once

2009
01:44:28,613 --> 01:44:31,973
Speaker 21: threw a broke his record at his tennis racket in

2010
01:44:32,333 --> 01:44:34,373
Speaker 21: the entire time. And I guess if you don't play tennis,

2011
01:44:34,373 --> 01:44:36,733
Speaker 21: you don't realize the frustration that can sometimes come along.

2012
01:44:36,853 --> 01:44:41,813
Speaker 2: But really wants very impressive considering the level he was playing. Cain,

2013
01:44:41,853 --> 01:44:44,653
Speaker 2: do you need to love tennis to enjoy this book?

2014
01:44:45,413 --> 01:44:48,013
Speaker 21: I don't think you need to be a lover of tennis.

2015
01:44:48,053 --> 01:44:50,093
Speaker 21: I think I mean, obviously you need to be interested

2016
01:44:50,133 --> 01:44:52,813
Speaker 21: in sports. But you know, it talks about his competitive

2017
01:44:52,893 --> 01:44:56,053
Speaker 21: business and how you know, playing every point for him

2018
01:44:56,213 --> 01:44:59,573
Speaker 21: was like match point, and you know that real doggedness

2019
01:44:59,573 --> 01:45:02,853
Speaker 21: and determination and you know, his uncle that was his coach,

2020
01:45:02,893 --> 01:45:05,413
Speaker 21: and you know that volume and intensity with what he

2021
01:45:05,453 --> 01:45:08,213
Speaker 21: plays for in that ability to outlast his opponents and

2022
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:12,733
Speaker 21: a record fourteen wins on will Champ. You know fourteen

2023
01:45:12,773 --> 01:45:16,213
Speaker 21: clay caught tournaments. I mean that is that is amazing

2024
01:45:16,333 --> 01:45:18,853
Speaker 21: in any sport, that he managed to reach that pinnacle

2025
01:45:18,973 --> 01:45:19,893
Speaker 21: that many times.

2026
01:45:20,293 --> 01:45:22,453
Speaker 2: Catherine rains, thank you so much for your time this morning.

2027
01:45:22,493 --> 01:45:24,973
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. The two books that Catherine spoke about

2028
01:45:24,973 --> 01:45:28,653
Speaker 2: Martha's Vineyard, Beach and Book Club by Martha Hall Kelly,

2029
01:45:28,813 --> 01:45:31,533
Speaker 2: and also The Warrior Rafael Nadal and His Kingdom of

2030
01:45:31,533 --> 01:45:34,933
Speaker 2: Clay by Christopher Cleary. Right this week, Miley Cyrus released

2031
01:45:34,973 --> 01:45:38,973
Speaker 2: her ninth album, Not Bad for thirty two. It's called

2032
01:45:39,133 --> 01:45:42,013
Speaker 2: Something Beautiful. It's been described as a returned form, but

2033
01:45:42,053 --> 01:45:43,973
Speaker 2: I want to know what Estelle Clifford thinks of it.

2034
01:45:44,173 --> 01:45:48,413
Speaker 2: So Miley and Estelle are next. It's seventeen to twelve.

2035
01:45:49,013 --> 01:45:52,013
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to Know.

2036
01:45:52,413 --> 01:45:56,173
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jack Day and

2037
01:45:56,373 --> 01:46:00,053
Speaker 1: Be Pure Quality Supplements for Essential Energy, News talks at.

2038
01:46:00,013 --> 01:46:09,493
Speaker 17: Bean the Future, Getside, Show Me, Are You Love Me

2039
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:14,973
Speaker 17: tomorrows and comment for sure, let's pretend let's not the

2040
01:46:15,213 --> 01:46:16,053
Speaker 17: end of the World.

2041
01:46:21,053 --> 01:46:24,133
Speaker 2: This is End of the World by Miley Cyrus off

2042
01:46:24,133 --> 01:46:27,813
Speaker 2: her ninth album, Something Beautiful. And to talk us through

2043
01:46:27,853 --> 01:46:30,293
Speaker 2: the album, I'm joined by A Style Clifford Good Morning.

2044
01:46:30,053 --> 01:46:33,973
Speaker 22: A Steale Morning, Yes, soaking up the Miley vibe this weekend.

2045
01:46:34,493 --> 01:46:37,893
Speaker 22: That is the radio friendly song that's on this album,

2046
01:46:38,053 --> 01:46:41,053
Speaker 22: End of the World. She had wanted to make an

2047
01:46:41,093 --> 01:46:44,093
Speaker 22: album that was entirely about how sometimes the terrible things

2048
01:46:44,093 --> 01:46:46,373
Speaker 22: that happen in life and the world still have a

2049
01:46:46,413 --> 01:46:49,293
Speaker 22: beauty to them. So that's where that song is kind

2050
01:46:49,293 --> 01:46:52,013
Speaker 22: of like sitting us and it's got that pop disco

2051
01:46:52,213 --> 01:46:55,053
Speaker 22: thing that I mean, everyone's kind of embraced that over

2052
01:46:55,093 --> 01:46:57,653
Speaker 22: the last couple of years. So no surprises really that

2053
01:46:57,693 --> 01:47:00,213
Speaker 22: Miley has also given us one of those kind of

2054
01:47:00,253 --> 01:47:03,453
Speaker 22: bangers and midway on the album where it just all

2055
01:47:03,493 --> 01:47:06,213
Speaker 22: turns into I think she just wants us to dance.

2056
01:47:06,533 --> 01:47:08,613
Speaker 22: Just get up and dance the best we can. Something

2057
01:47:08,613 --> 01:47:10,733
Speaker 22: that I think you'll love about this album and Francesca

2058
01:47:10,853 --> 01:47:13,773
Speaker 22: is that there's also a pop opera film to come.

2059
01:47:13,653 --> 01:47:14,653
Speaker 10: Out in mid June.

2060
01:47:16,053 --> 01:47:18,653
Speaker 22: What she says is inspired and I know you're gonna.

2061
01:47:18,413 --> 01:47:21,533
Speaker 2: Lie, I'm having Jennifer Lopez. I'm having Jennifer Lopez moments.

2062
01:47:21,813 --> 01:47:25,453
Speaker 22: Yes, So I'm hoping it's not as self indulgent as that,

2063
01:47:25,493 --> 01:47:28,253
Speaker 22: but I can't help thinking it might be. She has

2064
01:47:28,293 --> 01:47:32,893
Speaker 22: been inspired by Pink Floyd's The War, and you know,

2065
01:47:32,973 --> 01:47:35,533
Speaker 22: I mean, will it have the same legacy? I dare

2066
01:47:35,573 --> 01:47:38,973
Speaker 22: say it won't. It's meant to be just it's gonna

2067
01:47:39,013 --> 01:47:40,733
Speaker 22: have more fashioned flair.

2068
01:47:41,013 --> 01:47:42,013
Speaker 19: And to me, the.

2069
01:47:42,013 --> 01:47:44,093
Speaker 22: Clips that she's she had to tease it kind of

2070
01:47:44,093 --> 01:47:46,173
Speaker 22: does look like a whole lot of music videos put together.

2071
01:47:46,533 --> 01:47:49,733
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm I've been I've read things, and I've

2072
01:47:49,733 --> 01:47:52,853
Speaker 2: heard it's a concept album. It's experimental, it's like adelic,

2073
01:47:52,853 --> 01:47:55,613
Speaker 2: but I'm just hearing good old Miley pop here.

2074
01:47:56,253 --> 01:47:57,893
Speaker 22: Well that's the thing. When you listen to that song,

2075
01:47:57,893 --> 01:47:59,933
Speaker 22: you're like, but it's pop disco and there's sin and

2076
01:48:00,013 --> 01:48:02,493
Speaker 22: there's like a sort of an aba kind of harmony,

2077
01:48:02,533 --> 01:48:05,333
Speaker 22: and you know when they go slightly minor key and

2078
01:48:05,373 --> 01:48:07,253
Speaker 22: it makes your skin go a little tingly and you're like, oh,

2079
01:48:07,293 --> 01:48:09,013
Speaker 22: that's kind of fun. I can sing the harmony to that.

2080
01:48:09,573 --> 01:48:12,653
Speaker 22: There's definitely lots of that and and that's the thing

2081
01:48:12,733 --> 01:48:16,093
Speaker 22: she's spoken up this album to be like it definitely

2082
01:48:16,173 --> 01:48:18,413
Speaker 22: is genre bending and that she doesn't just sit there.

2083
01:48:18,613 --> 01:48:21,333
Speaker 22: So there's definitely some other stuff, Like there is some psychedella,

2084
01:48:21,373 --> 01:48:24,293
Speaker 22: there's some there's some house. Sometimes you're gonna hear this

2085
01:48:24,373 --> 01:48:28,053
Speaker 22: full on saxophone intro and then you've got strings and orchestra,

2086
01:48:28,453 --> 01:48:30,533
Speaker 22: but then you're back to the synth kind of vibe.

2087
01:48:30,653 --> 01:48:34,333
Speaker 22: And then there's another song where she actually almost tries

2088
01:48:34,333 --> 01:48:36,533
Speaker 22: out some Lana del Ray sort of styles where her

2089
01:48:36,613 --> 01:48:39,973
Speaker 22: vocals don't overpower the song. So that's kind of different

2090
01:48:40,253 --> 01:48:42,133
Speaker 22: from Miley because I think we're used to her doing

2091
01:48:42,173 --> 01:48:45,973
Speaker 22: those very big vocal builds. But I wouldn't say that

2092
01:48:46,053 --> 01:48:50,213
Speaker 22: it's off the chain psychedelic. She wanted it to be

2093
01:48:50,453 --> 01:48:54,053
Speaker 22: that she's taken you somewhere and you can vibrate at

2094
01:48:54,053 --> 01:48:55,333
Speaker 22: a higher level.

2095
01:48:56,173 --> 01:48:57,373
Speaker 2: Did you vibrate the stelle?

2096
01:48:58,333 --> 01:49:00,053
Speaker 22: I don't know that I did, And it did take

2097
01:49:00,093 --> 01:49:01,853
Speaker 22: me a few listens to be like, what is going

2098
01:49:01,893 --> 01:49:07,613
Speaker 22: on here? I like, well, maybe after a few listens,

2099
01:49:07,613 --> 01:49:09,093
Speaker 22: I think, like some are saying, it's like a really

2100
01:49:09,093 --> 01:49:12,813
Speaker 22: concise album, and I'm like, what, where's the Like, there's

2101
01:49:12,853 --> 01:49:15,053
Speaker 22: not there's not continuity, you know.

2102
01:49:15,333 --> 01:49:15,613
Speaker 10: Do you know?

2103
01:49:15,693 --> 01:49:19,093
Speaker 22: Also she's put interludes in, like there's little, full on

2104
01:49:19,613 --> 01:49:21,853
Speaker 22: loud music interludes. And to me, that's a bit where

2105
01:49:21,853 --> 01:49:24,413
Speaker 22: you get costume changes done when you're doing a live show.

2106
01:49:24,453 --> 01:49:27,733
Speaker 22: It almost plays out like song for song, how a

2107
01:49:27,813 --> 01:49:30,773
Speaker 22: live show would flow. So maybe that's what it is, like,

2108
01:49:30,813 --> 01:49:33,613
Speaker 22: maybe that is interesting the whole concept of it that

2109
01:49:33,653 --> 01:49:35,973
Speaker 22: this is because I'm like, one of those interludes, we

2110
01:49:35,973 --> 01:49:38,133
Speaker 22: don't almost need them, but that's where you would go

2111
01:49:38,213 --> 01:49:40,173
Speaker 22: get your costume change. So that's that's for me. Where

2112
01:49:40,173 --> 01:49:43,573
Speaker 22: that kind of was a little thing she did in

2113
01:49:43,653 --> 01:49:46,973
Speaker 22: Harpers Bizarre was that the songs, whether about distruction or

2114
01:49:47,013 --> 01:49:49,693
Speaker 22: heartbreak or death, they're presented in a way that's beautiful

2115
01:49:49,973 --> 01:49:52,653
Speaker 22: because the nastiest times of our life do point to

2116
01:49:52,733 --> 01:49:56,853
Speaker 22: a beauty and I think maybe hearing that helps you

2117
01:49:57,173 --> 01:50:00,573
Speaker 22: get through the songs. There's heats of catchy stuff like

2118
01:50:00,653 --> 01:50:03,693
Speaker 22: she's still real clever right, Like she's a very good

2119
01:50:03,773 --> 01:50:08,133
Speaker 22: song and there's something about her it just draws me in.

2120
01:50:08,173 --> 01:50:10,373
Speaker 22: And when I physically watch her, I find it quite

2121
01:50:10,413 --> 01:50:15,013
Speaker 22: mesmerizing just how she presents herself in the confidence that

2122
01:50:15,053 --> 01:50:17,013
Speaker 22: she's coming out with in this album. I mean, that's

2123
01:50:17,013 --> 01:50:19,773
Speaker 22: to be admired, and I think that's awesome, and there's

2124
01:50:19,813 --> 01:50:22,653
Speaker 22: some real strutting stuff going on in here, and you

2125
01:50:22,933 --> 01:50:25,293
Speaker 22: just have to go through it a couple of times

2126
01:50:25,333 --> 01:50:27,613
Speaker 22: to go, you know, you're.

2127
01:50:27,333 --> 01:50:30,333
Speaker 2: Not a bad thing, Estelle, that's not a bad thing

2128
01:50:30,373 --> 01:50:32,733
Speaker 2: that we have to work a little bit to kind

2129
01:50:32,733 --> 01:50:34,853
Speaker 2: of find the gems and find the moments in an

2130
01:50:34,853 --> 01:50:36,813
Speaker 2: album when it's all presented to you, you know that

2131
01:50:36,893 --> 01:50:38,893
Speaker 2: three or four listens later, there's half that you're not

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Speaker 2: going to want to listen to again.

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Speaker 22: And maybe that is the magic and cleverness of what

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Speaker 22: this album is, where you'll go, oh, I thought I

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Speaker 22: didn't really like that. But but for me, like there's

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Speaker 22: some at the start where I'm like, oh, yeah, it's okay,

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Speaker 22: but I've gone back a couple more times and gone, oh,

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Speaker 22: you know what, this is kind of growing on me now.

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Speaker 22: And I think sometimes it's a lyric that will suddenly

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Speaker 22: stand out, or sometimes you're like, oh, that's a clever

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01:50:58,693 --> 01:51:02,893
Speaker 22: little music but in the background, or a clever use

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Speaker 22: of some of the drums and synths to drive you through.

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Speaker 22: But I would definitely say it still more leads. You

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Speaker 22: know this whole pop opera kind of thing, which still

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Speaker 22: has that very discoie vibe to me. That's where I

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01:51:14,973 --> 01:51:18,053
Speaker 22: kind of think that it is. There's a doet that

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Speaker 22: she does with Brittany Howard, who now I can't think

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Speaker 22: except for Filmer the Unicorn, but she's from Alabama shakes

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Speaker 22: there we go.

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Speaker 5: I got it.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you do because I had no idea where

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Speaker 2: we're going. There.

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Speaker 22: She does this real cool voice stuff through one of

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Speaker 22: the songs, and it's really good. There's also a song

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01:51:38,493 --> 01:51:40,373
Speaker 22: every Girl You've Ever Loved And You're going to play

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Speaker 22: some of that out of here. It features Naomi Campbell,

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Speaker 22: and so I was a little bit scared that Miomi

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Speaker 22: Campbell was doing some singing, but actually she's doing this

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01:51:48,253 --> 01:51:54,453
Speaker 22: really hypnotic rhythm type almost poetic vocal stuff just speaking.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say rap for a minute, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I got yeah.

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Speaker 22: I mean I had all sorts of things going on

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Speaker 22: in my head before I got to that song. But

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Speaker 22: it's her beautiful English accent sort of basically commanding us

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Speaker 22: to strike some poss I.

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Speaker 2: Think, release think. I think she has sung before she has.

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Speaker 22: No, you don't you don't need to go there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I won't yeah, yeah, just.

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Speaker 22: Enjoy this for what it is and then the music

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Speaker 22: video that will go with it, where it is exactly this.

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Speaker 22: It's like a showdown of Naomi Campbell and Miley Cyrus

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Speaker 22: on a catwalk and.

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Speaker 2: Leather bring on yep, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 22: And you know, if you want to try some catwalk

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Speaker 22: stuff and get a bit fired up to do some

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01:52:33,653 --> 01:52:36,173
Speaker 22: strutting this week, their energy is going to be in

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Speaker 22: that song.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, never know when you need a strutch. I

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Speaker 2: love it, a Stelle, thank you so much. I hang

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Speaker 2: on rating would.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, okay, good luck with the Arthouse film when it

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01:52:47,213 --> 01:52:52,253
Speaker 22: comes out June. Stylistic Fashion. Sure, let's go there. I

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Speaker 22: think definitely listen to this for interest's sake. And it's

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Speaker 22: a seven out of.

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Speaker 2: Ten lovely, thank you so much, Estelle. I think that

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01:52:59,053 --> 01:53:01,973
Speaker 2: sounds like a fair rating for what Estelle was talking

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01:53:01,973 --> 01:53:04,013
Speaker 2: about there. Look, I'm a bit like Estelle. I don't

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01:53:04,053 --> 01:53:06,333
Speaker 2: mind Miley Cyrus. I think she's got a really great voice,

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01:53:06,453 --> 01:53:10,013
Speaker 2: interesting voice, she can write a banger, and I'm always

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Speaker 2: interested to hear what she has to say, so I'll

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Speaker 2: give it. I'll give it a Well, we're going to

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Speaker 2: play some more music for you from Miley Cyrus after

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Speaker 2: the break. It is eight to twelve.

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Speaker 2: The film that I was thinking about with Jennifer Lopez

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Speaker 2: was This is Me Now a love story? Did you

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Speaker 2: see that? I think was released last year. Anyway, don't

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Speaker 2: put that on your list for King's Birthday weekend because

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Speaker 2: both Tara and Carl today on the show have given

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Speaker 2: you some great recommendations of things to watch throughout the weekend.

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Speaker 2: If you need to pop back and have a listen

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Speaker 2: to anything we've discussed today, just got a news talks

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Speaker 2: find Saturday mornings there and all of our interviews and

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Speaker 2: information and things is there for you. Thank you so

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01:54:00,853 --> 01:54:04,613
Speaker 2: much to Libby for producing the show today. Jason Pine

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Speaker 2: is up next, a lot to talk about and sport.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be back tomorrow. I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: talking to Mel Parsons on the show. Sort of the

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Speaker 2: end of New Zealand Music Month today, but we're just

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Speaker 2: going to take it one more day. We've loved having

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Speaker 2: live music on the show. She is in for a

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Speaker 2: chat and a song, and we're also going to talk

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Speaker 2: to Claire Turnbull, who's a nutritionalist. Many of you know her.

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Speaker 2: She just has such great, practical, realistic information. She has

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Speaker 2: written a book and she's talking about talked about her

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01:54:33,253 --> 01:54:37,413
Speaker 2: own very complicated, difficult relationship with food that she's had

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Speaker 2: since she was young through to her thirties, and she's

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Speaker 2: really opened up. It's a really interesting story. So she's

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Speaker 2: going to be with us to talk about that and

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Speaker 2: also how we can just sort of, you know, stop

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01:54:48,093 --> 01:54:50,933
Speaker 2: all the nonsense, eat well, and be truly well. So

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Speaker 2: she's going to be with us on the Sunday session tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: so look forward to joining us from nine. As we mentioned,

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Speaker 2: we're going to finish with a little bit more Miley Cyrus.

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Speaker 2: This is every girl you've ever loved. To get your

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Speaker 2: straton and joy, have a great afternoon. I'll see tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: High High High High sighs.

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