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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Clan Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Todd

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Speaker 2: McLay on the brew haha about the Indian FTA, the

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Speaker 2: company planning to mine Golden Reefdon and Mercury's chief executive

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Speaker 2: Stu Hamilton on that Alingy import facility and whether it's

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Speaker 2: a good idea.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper cy l, I hate to say it, but it.

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Speaker 2: Is starting to sound like Winston Peters was right about

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Speaker 2: that India Free Trade Agreement and the government is not

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Speaker 2: being straight up with us about what's in that document.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the Free Trade Agreement does actually stop

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Speaker 2: us from being able to cap the number of Indian

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Speaker 2: students who come here. Now, that is not the end

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Speaker 2: of the world, given that there actually isn't a cap

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Speaker 2: students of any nationality, frankly, and the government always retains

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Speaker 2: the ability to be able to cap all students by

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Speaker 2: tweaking the visa settings. What this trade agreement prevents them

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Speaker 2: from doing. By the sounds of things is just targeting

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Speaker 2: the Indian students and putting a cap on them specifically.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is that the Indian students are a

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Speaker 2: particularly difficult issue, given that there have historically been issues

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Speaker 2: with dodgy Indian student schemes, sending students over here who

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Speaker 2: get here without the required number, a required level of money,

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Speaker 2: or whatever the problem is, and they end up being

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Speaker 2: our problem. Now, depending on where you sit on this issue,

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Speaker 2: that might really upset you. You might hate that, or

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Speaker 2: you might just see that as the give and take

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Speaker 2: of free trade negotiations. It's a price that we have

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Speaker 2: to the massive Indian market that we now do. The

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Speaker 2: trouble is, instead of having that debate, we are now

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Speaker 2: threatening to have a debate about whether the government is

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Speaker 2: increasingly clear that they are hiding something from voters, because

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Speaker 2: it's clearly in the FDA, judging by the way the

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Speaker 2: he's asked about this. Now, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: but in an age of online conspiracy theories which are

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Speaker 2: declining trust and institutions. I'm not sure that this is

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Speaker 2: a smart strategy from the government in an election year.

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Speaker 2: Sure I will concede either way, the government would have

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Speaker 2: a bit of a gnarly debate on its hands. But

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Speaker 2: surely it's better to have a debate about whether we

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Speaker 2: should trade uncapped student access for US access in the

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two is the text number. You're welcome to awaigh

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Speaker 2: in on that, and also Todd McLay is going to

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Speaker 2: be with us on that after five o'clock now. Christ

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Speaker 2: Church City Councilors are apparently furious that staff have spent

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Speaker 2: more than six million dollars on developing an app that

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Speaker 2: Christ Church City Councilor Sam McDonald is back with us

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Speaker 2: on this. Hi, Sam OHI here, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you know why did they not build an app

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Speaker 2: when they were supposed to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we were pretty clear at the beginning that

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Speaker 4: we want something that works for everyone, and we want

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Speaker 4: So they've been working away for a couple of years

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Speaker 4: some of the security issues, but they think they're at

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Speaker 4: a point now where they can add it on. So look,

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Speaker 4: in a perfect world, it would have been an app

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Speaker 4: to start with. It hasn't gone live yet. The IT

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Speaker 4: came to us saying no, no, it'll be a weird version, which,

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Speaker 4: as you know, a lot of people don't use. We

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Speaker 2: Did they explain to you why they were explicitly told

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Speaker 2: Did they explain that to you?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what it's like talking to IT people,

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Speaker 4: the libraries, you can seeing your rubbish fins being picked up,

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Speaker 4: run off different systems because we have so many different

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Speaker 4: obviously users across the group. But you know, they tell

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Speaker 4: so I guess, you know, in many respects it's not ideal.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it was good they've come

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Speaker 2: The case Sam, if I'm being generous to them, and

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Speaker 2: I'm really not going to mood to be generous to

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Speaker 2: counsel stuff that. But isn't this a case of them

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Speaker 2: being IT experts and perhaps for them the idea of

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Speaker 2: like a bit of an app or whatever like that

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Speaker 2: is not a massive obstacle for them. And perhaps they

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Speaker 2: don't understand what an obstacle it is for those of

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Speaker 4: I completely agree. You know, it's all very well for

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Speaker 4: to you know, log onto websites somehow save it to

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Speaker 4: your phone, you know, like you know, I can use

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Speaker 4: my phone, but I'm not going to go and do it.

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Speaker 4: And the point is, if you're trying to get people

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Speaker 4: to engage with the council, make it as easier as possible.

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Speaker 4: Then let's make it simple. We spent all this money,

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Speaker 4: we just need to do the last but to make

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Speaker 4: the uptake huge. And so we will get there because

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Speaker 4: you know, when we met with them last week, we

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Speaker 4: were very clear that this thing does not go live

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Speaker 4: the value I guess in having councils is because we

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Speaker 4: they're not interested in going through twenty steps to set

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Speaker 2: Now, how is it so expensive because this six point

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Speaker 2: almost twelve million for this project. How can you justify

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely it's.

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Speaker 2: A project Sam, that is being done in house or

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Speaker 2: have you got external consultants doing this?

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Speaker 4: So it's a combination. So we've obviously got an IT

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously there's a budget said that. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's not a race for them to spend the budget.

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Speaker 4: We just want it to be right. So we've said

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Speaker 2: No, that's cool, But Sam, I need to get into

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Speaker 2: this with you. Have you guys, have you guys done

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Speaker 2: any due diligence on what an app should cost?

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Speaker 4: So we found out about this last week. We've asked

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you found out about it last week?

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Speaker 2: Did it not come to you first?

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Speaker 4: The six point one million dollars?

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Speaker 2: No, that twelve million dollar budget that you guys.

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Speaker 2: Okay in one of them, but have you guys done

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Speaker 4: Well, this is this is one of those things. We've

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Speaker 4: group and said, this doesn't feel right. We want someone

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Speaker 2: At the moment. Look, I don't want to be like

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Speaker 2: But we asked chat gpt today because we figured this

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Speaker 2: would be the fastest way to find it. We asked

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Speaker 2: and chat gpt reckons no more than a million.

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Speaker 4: Well that's great. We should be using whoever they're using.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I'm not a ninety expert, but from

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Speaker 4: I think the number is extraordinary. I think it's far

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Speaker 4: last thing I want to do is waste the money

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Speaker 4: that's been spend and get a service that doesn't get

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Speaker 4: taken up by billbacks. Well, I agree with you. It's

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Speaker 3: It's wild.

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Speaker 2: It's a website. It's not that bloody hard like I

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Speaker 2: could get somebody graduate to build you a website. Probably

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Speaker 2: costs a couple of hundred's slightly exploitative, but you know

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't cost you six million. Sam, I feel confident

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Speaker 2: that you're in charge of the situation, So go well

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Speaker 2: and best of luck with that. It's christ Church City

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Speaker 2: councilor Sam McDonald. Honestly, is this just this is just

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 10: All the reality is?

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Speaker 11: Well, you believe me because that's the advice that we've.

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Speaker 12: Got a truth.

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Speaker 3: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather do to cl and drive with one New

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Speaker 2: Listen. I don't know if you've seen it, but the

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Speaker 2: Another protest planned tonight. Murray Olds will be with us

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Speaker 2: in slightly more than ten minutes. Time to talk us through.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty five past four now Willie Jackson struck again.

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Speaker 2: Happy happy happy days when Willie Jackson pipes up been

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Speaker 13: Later is here to change the thirty.

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Speaker 14: That's the whoever in terms of trying to get rid

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Speaker 2: That's going to be a drama for Chippy for a week,

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Speaker 2: while Heather six point two million dollars for a website

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Speaker 2: AI can build literally anything. Someone is absolutely gouging the

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Speaker 2: then you can book this and you can do that

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Speaker 2: but six point to come on, someone's having a laugh,

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Speaker 1: The day's newspeakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 2: Mister, the Retail Advisory Group is no more. This is

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Speaker 2: I think was going to wind up in September. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why he doesn't just wind it up

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Speaker 2: today and save us all the money, because Sonny's still

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Speaker 2: Will ask him about that. Barry Sober standing by to

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on Newstalgs. He'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: The leader of the Labor Party in Scotland has called

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Speaker 2: Sir Kia's director of communications has now also quit along

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Speaker 13: Tonight's demonstration of strength, of course, with friendly criticism. Demonstration

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Speaker 2: Gilaine Maxwell has refused to testify to the US Congress.

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Speaker 15: This is obviously it's very disappointing. We had many questions

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Speaker 2: And finally, a sociology student at McMaster University in Canada

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Speaker 16: He said, you know, I have a great time in Milan.

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Speaker 2: Get it to me whenever you you know, have a second.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Murray OL's Ossie corresponds with US now hemas Hello Heather,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon. All right, so talk me through what's happened

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Speaker 2: at this protest then.

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Speaker 5: Well, god a bit ugly.

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Speaker 17: There's a bunch of different sort of moving parts to

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Speaker 17: what happened at Von Dai Beach, Anthony Alberanizi and invited

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Speaker 17: the President of Israel, Isaac Hertzog to Sydney for an

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Speaker 17: a shattering event. Well that didn't go down Well, the

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Speaker 17: invitation did not go down well, but you know, they

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Speaker 17: pushed ahead onto the stage march is an outfit called

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Speaker 17: the Palestine Action Group. Now Ever, since October seventh, the

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Speaker 17: who are saying, when you get off the bloody streetsf

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Speaker 17: we want to protest going to Hyde Parks. Ay anyway,

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Speaker 17: they wanted to have a big rally against the Hertzog

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Speaker 5: They challenged that.

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Speaker 17: The Supreme Court Supreme Court said forget it, you're allowed

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Speaker 17: praying and they were moved on by police, physically moved on.

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Speaker 5: So it became a real bloody battled.

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Speaker 17: In fact, twenty seven arrests tend for allegedly assaulting police.

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Speaker 17: Attorney Abbott, the former Prime minister, ever helpful. He said

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Speaker 17: police who punched protests and should receive a commendation and

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Speaker 17: obviously the future demonstration should be armed with tear gas

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Speaker 17: and rubber bullets the safeguard against the pro terrorist protests

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Speaker 17: we've seen too much. Anthony Albanezi devastated Chris Men's in

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Speaker 17: New South Wales Premier of defending police.

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Speaker 5: Because just down the road, only a few blocks away.

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Speaker 17: There was the Israeli President and a very big reception

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Speaker 17: for the Jewish community, lots of.

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Speaker 5: Political leaders there, governors as well. Only a few blocks away.

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Speaker 17: Here the police said we cannot let them roam the

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Speaker 17: streets of Sydney.

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Speaker 5: That's why they got tough.

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Speaker 2: If you had to make a call as to whether

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Speaker 2: the police were too heavy handed, could you or is

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Speaker 2: it too early?

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Speaker 17: Well, you see, I wasn't there I don't know, and

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Speaker 17: it depends who you talk to. I mean that there

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Speaker 17: were some people there at the protest who were pro

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Speaker 17: Palestinian who said the police were obliged to do what

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Speaker 17: they did. I heard a few of those on Torkpak

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Speaker 17: radio this morning. Many people were calling a Torpack radio

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Speaker 17: those and they were saying police didn't react underpenning. All

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Speaker 17: of this were I suppose the two main considerations. Police

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Speaker 17: did not want to have one big group of protesters

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Speaker 17: marching off like Brown's cars through Sydney with placards and whatnot.

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Speaker 17: They didn't want them to leave the town Hall precinct.

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Speaker 17: And they certainly the second part of it, I guess

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Speaker 17: they certainly did not want protesters heading down to the

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Speaker 17: International Convention Center on Darling Harbor, as I said, only

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Speaker 17: a few blocks away, because goodness knows what could have happened.

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Speaker 17: There very tight security for this visit. There were snipers

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Speaker 17: on rooftops, all sorts of stuff going on. And you know,

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Speaker 17: to be fair, the protesters were offered a safe space

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Speaker 17: in Hyde Park and then you can march your faces off,

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Speaker 17: go down to Central Railway station. But would you believe

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Speaker 17: Josh Lee's the head of the head of the that

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Speaker 17: Action group said well, look, we don't want that because

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Speaker 17: there's not high profile enough.

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Speaker 5: Of course we wouldn't get enough publicity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I mean Lisa's being honest. Now, what's

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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's plan.

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Speaker 17: Well, we understand this to be a spill, a leadership

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Speaker 17: spill of the Liberal Party Thursday or Friday this week.

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Speaker 5: We've got Senate estimates.

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Speaker 17: It's just not enough time for anyone to get stuck

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Speaker 17: in and have this leadership contested.

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Speaker 5: It's just got to be had. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: you look at some of the figures.

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Speaker 17: The Liberals down the fifteen percent in the latest News poll,

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Speaker 17: the Nationals three one Nation twenty seven, Susan Lee the

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Speaker 17: least popular leader of any major party for nearly thirty years.

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Speaker 17: Not that Angus Taylor's anybody oil painting. I mean, don't

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Speaker 17: get me wrong. You know, he is a Rhodes scholar,

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Speaker 17: a bit like Tony Abbott, but completely underwhelming when he

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Speaker 17: was shadow treasurer for Peter Dutton. Underwhelming is some other

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Speaker 17: shadow ministry. I can't even tell him what the hell

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Speaker 17: he had. His colleague says, bone idol, lazy, and he

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Speaker 17: who wants the job Heather, Really, who wants this job?

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Speaker 17: For goodness sake?

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Speaker 5: Look at it.

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Speaker 17: I mean it's like just get up in the morning,

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Speaker 17: hit yourself in the face and go to work.

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Speaker 5: Just dreadful.

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Speaker 17: But we think Thursday or Friday and mate is going

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Speaker 17: to be the leadership challenge.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, you asked the pertinent question, Maz, thanks so

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Speaker 2: much to look after yourself. Murriol's Australia correspondent seventeen away

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Speaker 2: from five. Remember how we were talking last week about

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Speaker 2: tong Rera Chateau and the fact that you're going to

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Speaker 2: struggle to get an investor who's going to pump multimillion

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Speaker 2: dollars into seismic strengthening and all kinds of renovations and stuff.

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Speaker 2: If the ewe's only going to give them permission to

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Speaker 2: run the business for five or ten years or whatever

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Speaker 2: it is. This will give you some perspective on what

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Speaker 2: perspective on what investors are actually looking for. According to

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Speaker 2: the mayor, there is an investor who's a New Zealander

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Speaker 2: who has experience in high end hotels, get five star

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Speaker 2: hotels and heritage buildings and has history around this type

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Speaker 2: of activity, is willing to put down about one hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars of private money to refurb and repair the chateau.

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Speaker 2: Wants a lease of one hundred and twenty years. One

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty years. Here we offering concessions of five

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Speaker 2: to ten years. Mate, ain't gonna cut it. Sixteen away

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Speaker 2: from five for politics with centrics credit, check your customers

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Speaker 2: and get payments Certaday. A reminder, Todd McClay is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us on the Indian FDA after five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Right now at fourteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondence with us Aller Barry Afternoon, Heather, So, the

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Speaker 2: tax is a problem.

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Speaker 18: Is it a tax or a levy? Look, you know,

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Speaker 18: for time memorial in politics, politicians have always denied that

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Speaker 18: levees are in fact taxes, and if you look at

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Speaker 18: the definition of the levy, it is a tax. So

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Speaker 18: we had this discussion a bit yesterday when we talked

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Speaker 18: about the L and G set up they're going to

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Speaker 18: do in Taranaki. But the last Prime minister you will

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Speaker 18: remember who tried the song was just in Dune. She

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Speaker 18: wanted the clean car a mission lev You remember the

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Speaker 18: ute tax as it was called by the National Party

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Speaker 18: at the time she hated that. Now Chris Luxen is

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Speaker 18: hating the idea that this could possibly be seen as

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Speaker 18: the levy but a tax.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 18: It was an issue that Labour and the Greens took

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Speaker 18: great glee in the House today accusing the Government of

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Speaker 18: introducing a new tax. They must have expected it, surely,

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Speaker 18: but the Prime Minister was having none of it. Here

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Speaker 18: is Labour's Chris Hipkins taking him to task.

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Speaker 6: Does he agree with Nikola Willis if it looks like

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Speaker 6: a tax, if it quacks.

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Speaker 3: Like a tax, it's a tax.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's a charge that electricity companies will pay so

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Speaker 16: that consumers pay lower power bills.

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Speaker 12: It's that simple.

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Speaker 6: How does introducing a new guest tax that every New

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Speaker 6: Zealand household will pay every time they flick on a light.

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Speaker 3: Switch help them with the cost of living?

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Speaker 9: What a load of rubbish?

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Speaker 16: And the member clearly is not understanding what this proposal

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Speaker 16: is actually about. LNG facility will lead to lower tax bills,

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Speaker 16: a lot lower power bills. The Speaker does he agree then,

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Speaker 16: with the Cambridge English Dictionary when it says that the

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Speaker 16: definition of a levy is quote an amount of money,

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Speaker 16: such as a tax. It's somewhat semantic, and I just

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Speaker 16: say to the member that what we're doing is lowering

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Speaker 16: power bills.

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Speaker 18: Yes, it's the old pot calling the kettle player, right.

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Speaker 18: But then speaking of that, the Greens Chloe Swarbrick, she

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Speaker 18: was also in the frame later on the debate until

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Speaker 18: Winston Peters put her in her place.

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Speaker 17: Why does the Prime Minister conceive of the fact that

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Speaker 17: he could hook up a wind fund for the Green

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Speaker 17: carcus room and maybe that's a solution.

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Speaker 18: Put your pot here out of that.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, right now, what do you make

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Speaker 2: of Willie Jackson in his business?

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Speaker 18: Well, of course Willie Jackson was probably speaking from a

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Speaker 18: bit more knowledge than and not Chris Hipkins gave him

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Speaker 18: credit for that. You know, he will have been talking

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Speaker 18: to his old mate John Tammy Herry and they would

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Speaker 18: have been talking about in the future later this year

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Speaker 18: that the Labor Party will go with the Maldi Party

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Speaker 18: if it needs to. And that's the key that if

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Speaker 18: Labor can't collar the vote, then they'll need two parties.

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Speaker 18: One will be the Greens and they made that quite

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Speaker 18: clear at WHITANGI that the Greens are right on board,

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Speaker 18: regardless of silly policies that they'll be advocating, hopefully not

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Speaker 18: bottom lines and coalition negotiations. But Willie Jackson, of course,

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Speaker 18: he's right in the middle of it. Even though Chris

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Speaker 18: Hopkins is writing him off as maybe not speaking with

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Speaker 18: the authority of the Labor Party. Well, he's doing exactly that.

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Speaker 2: But did you see another one of the Labor Party

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Speaker 2: MP's repeated the same line. Yes they did. So do

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Speaker 2: you think what it is anim mine who cares don't

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Speaker 2: even know the person in the list?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: But do you think the veil has slipped here? We've

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Speaker 2: got an insight into what is most likely going to

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Speaker 2: be the case.

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Speaker 19: Well, of course, and we always knew that.

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Speaker 18: I mean, if Labor does need the numbers, you know

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Speaker 18: Chris Hopkins will no doubt try and give Vold Winston

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Speaker 18: a bit of a nudge and a wink. But that's

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Speaker 18: not going to happen because Peter's has made quite clear.

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Speaker 18: But certainly the Maldi Party if they make up the

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Speaker 18: numbers for the majority that's needed to get into government,

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Speaker 18: you can bet your bottom dollar I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: Do you see the Retail Advisory Crime Crime Advisory Group

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Speaker 2: has been disbanded?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 18: So well, I don't know really what poor old Sunny

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Speaker 18: Kirschel is going to do at the end of all this.

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Speaker 2: I know time here has so much time.

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Speaker 18: These work day and night, night and day, day and

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Speaker 18: night public holidays. The one point eight million dollars though

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Speaker 18: we're given in July twenty four has been spent, just overspent,

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Speaker 18: and Sonny's made quite a handsome living out of it.

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Speaker 18: But Paul Goldsmith, now I know you're going to be

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Speaker 18: talking to him, said if the resignations hadn't occurred, then

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Speaker 18: it was likely they would have retained the group until

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Speaker 18: the end of September when it was scheduled to break

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Speaker 18: up then. But look, Paul Goldsmith, I think has seen

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Speaker 18: the writing on the wall. It's seen that Sonny Kershel

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Speaker 18: is not the easiest of men to deal with, and

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Speaker 18: that was certainly made clear when some of the resignations came.

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Speaker 18: And look, he'll be out of a job in a

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Speaker 18: couple a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. Barry So for

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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent. Coming up eight away from five here

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Speaker 2: the water tragic irony that the lady from Shit's Creek

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Speaker 2: died of rectal cancer thank you. Jeff Todd McLay is

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Speaker 2: going to be with us on the Indian FTA just

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Speaker 2: after five o'clock. Tell you what I am fascinated by

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Speaker 2: is this was list of the mining over in Reefton. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you know the history of Reefton, you obviously know

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Speaker 2: Reefton was once upon a time like so prosper just

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Speaker 2: unbelievably prosperous, had the first electric lights, electric street lights

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Speaker 2: in the country, and all the mining stuff was just

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Speaker 2: it was brilliant. Obviously has fallen on harder times subsequently.

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Speaker 2: But now they find I found a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: gold and they want to go in. So this particular company,

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Speaker 2: I think it's called the RUA is wanting to get

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Speaker 2: in there and mine the gold and wants to it's

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Speaker 2: Vancouver base, but it wants to duel list on the

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Speaker 2: nz X and blah blah blah. It's a good news story.

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Speaker 2: What is even particularly even more interesting there is that

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Speaker 2: they're not going to just be mining for gold, but

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Speaker 2: they're also mining for antimony, which obviously, if you know

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Speaker 2: about your minerals, these too often you find them in

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Speaker 2: the same place. So if you find in gold, you're

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Speaker 2: finding antimony and what is antiminy. It's one of the

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Speaker 2: critical minerals that Trump is after nowadays in order to

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Speaker 2: build all the stuff that we need, the AI and

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Speaker 2: the batteries and all that kind of stuff. Anyway, we're

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Speaker 2: going to have a chat to them about it in

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Speaker 2: twenty minute time twenty minutes or so, because you know,

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Speaker 2: if you love you climate and if you want to

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Speaker 2: look after it, you might need a bit of these

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Speaker 2: critical minerals and maybe New Zealand can help out by

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Speaker 2: getting it out of the ground. Speaking of which, kind

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Speaker 2: of if you're worried about the old Chinese cars spying

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Speaker 2: on you, you might be interested in what's happening in

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Speaker 2: Australia at the moment. The Privacy Commissioner over there has

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Speaker 2: launched investigations into two car makers over allegations that these

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Speaker 2: car makers are collecting personal information like voice and location

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Speaker 2: we'll have all the access to the Internet and whatnot

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Speaker 2: because they've got the GPS in them, and so once

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Speaker 2: they've got that information, well if it's on your car

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Speaker 2: and your car is connected to the internet, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: able to go on the internet. So anyway, Privacy Commissioner

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Speaker 2: actually had complaints about four different cars, didn't have enough

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Speaker 2: information for the other two, so dropped the look into

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Speaker 2: the other two. But two of them they're going to

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Speaker 2: have a look at. Not naming them just yet, but

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Speaker 2: you probably can well you might not be able to

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Speaker 2: figure out exactly which, but I think we all know

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Speaker 2: we're talking about Chinese cars here, aren't we anyway? But

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Speaker 2: we'll keep you a brief across that as that comes

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Speaker 2: out in days to come. Tom McLay, as I said,

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Speaker 2: with us next, and then Paul Goldsmith on what is

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Speaker 2: going on here with the Retail Crime Advisory Group busting

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Speaker 2: up news us next.

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Speaker 18: They be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The Trade Minister is under renewed pressure over what

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Speaker 2: exactly is in New Zealand's free trade agreement with India.

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Speaker 2: The suggestion is that the agreement stops New Zealand from

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Speaker 2: capping the number of Indian students who come here, which

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Speaker 2: you will recall is exactly what Whinston Petere has claimed

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Speaker 2: some time ago. Trade Minister Todd mclay's with us now High.

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Speaker 8: Todd, Hey, Heather, how are you well?

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Speaker 5: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Is there a clause in the free trade agreement that

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Speaker 2: prevents us imposing a cap?

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Speaker 20: No, So what it does is it says that in

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Speaker 20: both directions of the New Zealand students and these students

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Speaker 20: can come studying their countries, but as a dependent upon

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Speaker 20: the immigration settings that those countries put in place.

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Speaker 8: So in effect, can we come out and say, you.

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Speaker 20: Know, we want Australian students, are not UK students, or

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Speaker 20: we don't want Indian students, but we do want them

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Speaker 20: from some other country. The answered, as far as trade

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Speaker 20: agreement is concerned is no. But what the New Zealand

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Speaker 20: government current and future has always done or is able

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Speaker 20: to do, is look at the immigration settings that will

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Speaker 20: have an effect upon the number of students that come

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Speaker 20: from around the world. So in this case, of course,

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Speaker 20: it also has an effect upon those that would come

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Speaker 20: from India.

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Speaker 2: Okay, when we finally see the agreement, which we will

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Speaker 2: at some stage, will there be a clause in there

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Speaker 2: that says something like New Zealand will not impose any

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Speaker 2: numerical limits on Indian students.

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Speaker 20: So what it will say is both sides will not

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Speaker 20: do that. But then what did I go?

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Speaker 2: Well, so you are saying, yes, there will be a

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Speaker 2: clause in there that does say that.

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Speaker 20: No, no, well sorry, What I'm saying is is that

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Speaker 20: the agreement of commitment is that we will not say

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Speaker 20: that there is a maximum or a minimum. But what

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Speaker 20: it does say is that both governments are able to

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Speaker 20: that any students come has to meet the requirements of

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Speaker 20: immigration and many other things.

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Speaker 8: And so as to think about.

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Speaker 2: It, hang on, you have just confirmed the very thing

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Speaker 2: that this whole debate is about, which is that the

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Speaker 2: free trade agreement says New Zealand will not impose a

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Speaker 2: maximum number on the Indian stitutents.

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Speaker 8: So what it is? So what I'm saying is it's

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Speaker 8: around discrimination. Heather, Yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Understand that, but can you just give me a yes

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Speaker 2: or no so we can just sett all this thing

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Speaker 2: once and for all. Is there a clause in there

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Speaker 2: that says that New Zealand will not impose any numerical

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Speaker 2: limits on Indian students? Yes or no?

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Speaker 20: So it says that neither party would have that as

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Speaker 20: an upper limit, I think correct. But if I just

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Speaker 20: go on what it does do, it says that for

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Speaker 20: students company the country, they have to meet the requirements

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Speaker 20: and creating, including the immigration settings of those countries and

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Speaker 20: so in as far as New Zealand is concerned, we

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Speaker 20: have never had a limit on students from any country

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Speaker 20: in the world. But we do change immigration policies around

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Speaker 20: what students need to do be able to come into

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Speaker 20: New Zealand, and we have retained the ability to do that,

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Speaker 20: which means that there are controls over the numbers of

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Speaker 20: students from India and other countries.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now is that why to do that, to say

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Speaker 2: we're not going to impose a maximum cap on Indian students,

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Speaker 2: given that historically we have had some real problems with dodgy,

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Speaker 2: dodgy guys, dodgy schemes over in India sending students over

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Speaker 2: here who then become our problem.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: So, in effect, though, it doesn't mean that somebody from

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Speaker 20: Indian needed and any other country has an automatic right

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Speaker 20: to come to New Zealand. So at the moment there

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Speaker 20: are about twelve thousand students I understand from India here.

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Speaker 2: Now I understand, we have rules, we have vis rules,

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Speaker 2: but those guys over there who are running the schemes,

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Speaker 2: they get around our vis rules.

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Speaker 19: Right.

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Speaker 2: They pretend that these guys have more cash than they have,

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Speaker 2: and then the guys arrive here and then they don't

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Speaker 2: have any cash and then they're our problem. So I

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Speaker 2: understand all of that, but do we not want the

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Speaker 2: ability to be able to say, hey, this is dodgy

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Speaker 2: as what's going on out India. We have to put

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Speaker 2: a cap.

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Speaker 8: Well well, but again though we will have that ability,

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Speaker 8: So it's not about a cap. It's around the setting.

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Speaker 8: So it says, right, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't do it because we have to, then we have

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Speaker 2: to change the settings for every nationality. We cannot target

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Speaker 2: Indian students.

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Speaker 20: Well one of the so it's not about targeting though,

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Speaker 20: it's about targeting what would be an application that doesn't

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Speaker 20: mean quite criteria. So for instance, so you know, one

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Speaker 20: of the things that is often talked about is migrant exploitation,

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Speaker 20: but that's a domestic issue. So the argument that says

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Speaker 20: we have people coming to New Zealand who are getting

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Speaker 20: visas that shouldn't have them as something that we need

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Speaker 20: to deal with with our immigration settings so it doesn't

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Speaker 20: mean that it has to do with students.

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Speaker 8: It can be anywhere in the immigration system.

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Speaker 20: What I was about to say is is about twelve

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Speaker 20: thousand students from India here at the moment. The previous

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Speaker 20: governmentor we have looked to toughen up the requirements and

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Speaker 20: the vetting and everything else, which naturally has brought the

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Speaker 20: numbers down. Now, this is the same requirement for all countries,

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Speaker 20: you know, because we don't say in one country you

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Speaker 20: have to do this, but in another country that the

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Speaker 20: conditions are different. So the point that I'm making is

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Speaker 20: the ability for the New Zealand government current and future

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Speaker 20: to look at our immigration settings to make sure that

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Speaker 20: those who are coming meet them too. Is remains under

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Speaker 20: this agreement and if there are concerns about students coming

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Speaker 20: in anywhere fraudulently, we the sales of it.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you just I mean, this has been going

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Speaker 2: on for what is it like a couple of weeks now,

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Speaker 2: where Winston's been making allegations that there is this thing

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Speaker 2: in the in the FTA. Why did you wait until

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Speaker 2: to day to.

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Speaker 8: Contin Well, I'm sorry again, I would argue that it

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Speaker 8: is not a cat. What it is about discrimination. So

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Speaker 8: what we have also.

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Speaker 2: Done about clauses in there? Why didn't you just say

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Speaker 2: hear the clauses in there instead of letting Winston get

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Speaker 2: some mileage out of us.

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Speaker 20: Well, well, I mean hither we're have being talking about

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Speaker 20: it and giving the detail and going through it at

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Speaker 20: quite some length, both in Parliament and elsewhere. The New

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Speaker 20: Zealand Government remains the ability to control the number of

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Speaker 20: students to come for everywhere, including India. And that is

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Speaker 20: the point I mean, I think what you know others

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Speaker 20: are saying is that hundreds of thousands of people or

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Speaker 20: tens of thousands of people extra are going to.

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Speaker 8: Come to New Zealand as a results of this agreement.

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Speaker 20: I just want to take it back a step, where

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Speaker 20: five million people India is one point four billion. This

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Speaker 20: is a trade agreement that actually isn't an immigration agreement

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Speaker 20: in as far as skilled migrants are concerned. One thousand,

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Speaker 20: six hundred and seventy per year can come based on

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Speaker 20: the conditions in New Zealand government sets and we have

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Speaker 20: the ability to change them and ultimately in return to

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Speaker 20: a few of these things, we get access to one

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Speaker 20: point four billion people on the same footing or better

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey listen, Thanks Todd. Always appreciate you having time

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Speaker 2: After listening to that, I sided with Winston Trevor. We're

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Speaker 2: going to come back to that. That's a fair point

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Speaker 2: to make. Seventeen past five. Now the Retail Advisory, the

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Speaker 2: Retail Crime Advisory Group is being scrapped early. It's been

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Speaker 10: Hy Paul, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you? So why have the others

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Speaker 2: quit now?

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Speaker 21: Well, no, what happened was that we set this group

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Speaker 21: They've done most of the work. As it happened, three

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Speaker 21: decided to wrap it up in the next three months.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, so there haven't been further resignations. These

881
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Speaker 2: are just the existing resignations. So in which case, when

882
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Speaker 2: the resignations were first announced, you seem to be keen

883
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Speaker 2: to carry it on. So what's changed, what's changed your mind?

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Speaker 21: Well, I said I'd take stock, and I took stock,

885
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Speaker 21: and I decided, well, I could try and sort of

886
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Speaker 21: appoint new people for the next six months, but while

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Speaker 21: it wrapped up, or the simpler thing to do was say, look,

888
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Speaker 21: you've got a couple of things that you need to finish.

889
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 21: You've got three months to do that and then we'll

890
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Speaker 21: all go off on our merry way. And the government's

891
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Speaker 21: got lots of ideas to work with and it's all

892
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Speaker 21: about trying to reduce the level of retail crime.

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Speaker 2: Now, I mean, it is somewhat ridiculous to have a

894
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Speaker 2: committee that's only got two people on it, So why

895
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Speaker 2: not just disband it now rather than carrying on for

896
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Speaker 2: another three months.

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Speaker 21: Well, because they're halfway through a couple of issues around

898
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Speaker 21: facial recognition and the security industry. They can bring in

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Speaker 21: some expert advice just to finish that off, and so

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Speaker 21: I didn't want to just cut them off midway through.

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Speaker 21: In relation to those two issues, the basic reality is

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Speaker 21: that they've been very efficient. They've got through a lot

903
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Speaker 21: of work. If you're thinking about the Crime's Amendment Bill

904
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Speaker 21: that we've got before Parliament around citizens arrest issues, around

905
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Speaker 21: infringement fines for shoplifting, tres spass orders, and there's public

906
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Speaker 21: public sort of safety issues more broadly. So they've come

907
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Speaker 21: up with some good ideas and you know, they've been

908
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Speaker 21: quite sort of controversial at times, and I wanted that because,

909
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Speaker 21: you know, we need to have some ferocious defense of

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Speaker 21: retailers working in New Zealand. And pushing back to what's been.

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Speaker 2: The most controversial though, is how much money Sunny Cocial

912
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Speaker 2: has been charging and apparently working every single hour that

913
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Speaker 2: he's awake. Do you regret that?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 21: Look, I mean, look, there's been constant a focus on

916
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Speaker 21: on Sonny and what he's been up to, and look,

917
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Speaker 21: I just all I'm interested in is results, And what

918
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Speaker 21: I wanted to see was some good art, hitting ideas

919
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 21: that will make a difference to people who are working

920
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Speaker 21: at the retail sector and pushing back against the tide

921
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 21: of time that we inherited and the good newsers were

922
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Speaker 21: making great progress on that and there's more to do.

923
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Speaker 2: Paul's good to talk to you, mate, Thanks very much,

924
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Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister. Twenty past five. So a Canadian

925
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Speaker 2: mining company is planning to make a fast track application

926
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Speaker 2: for a new gold and antimony mine near Reefton. Ruer

927
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Speaker 2: Gold is hoping to start mining by twenty twenty eight.

928
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Speaker 2: Also looking at cross listing on the INSIEX and Simon

929
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Speaker 2: DeLanda is the gold vice is the vice president there high.

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Speaker 22: Simon, Hey, Heather, how are you good?

931
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Speaker 2: Thank you? Now it sounds to me like the fair

932
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Speaker 2: amount of gold in there is it? How does it

933
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Speaker 2: rate internationally in terms of a deposit.

934
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Speaker 22: This is a significant deposit for us organization. So we've

935
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Speaker 22: been exploring the last five years and we've now got

936
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Speaker 22: sufficient gold and we're tagging around three hundred thousand ounces

937
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Speaker 22: to start to move into the fast track process. So

938
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Speaker 22: this is exciting for our investors, exciting for the local

939
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Speaker 22: community and police have their prinny to talk to you

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Speaker 22: about today.

941
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Speaker 2: You're going after the antimony as well?

942
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Speaker 22: Absolutely, Well, yeah, so that's a strategic mineral and there's

943
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Speaker 22: a lot of interest, particularly in the central government and

944
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Speaker 22: overseas Japan and the US in antimony supply and security

945
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Speaker 22: that supply.

946
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what I'm fascinated by is I

947
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Speaker 2: can't seem to get across. I can't seem to find

948
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Speaker 2: anything on how much of these critical minerals we have

949
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Speaker 2: in the ground in New Zealand. Do you have any idea?

950
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Speaker 22: Look, I couldn't speak for the whole of New Zealand,

951
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Speaker 22: but certainly we've got a significant depositive antimony and there's

952
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Speaker 22: a lot of antimony around the reefed and golf how.

953
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Speaker 11: Much West Coast?

954
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Speaker 22: So yeah, so we're talking about mining around about twelve

955
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Speaker 22: thousand tons per year over an eight year period, and

956
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Speaker 22: that's probably half a billion dollars worth of and kimmited

957
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Speaker 22: in that range.

958
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Speaker 2: How do you feel about Trumpy's Critical Minerals trading block?

959
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Speaker 22: Then, I look for us, we've we've been working on

960
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Speaker 22: this for a period of time, and you know that

961
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Speaker 22: the minerals it's a it's a free market, if you will,

962
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Speaker 22: So that they'll pick that up and likely want to

963
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Speaker 22: talk to the central government around getting access to those minerals.

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Speaker 22: We've been talking to a number of potential off take

965
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Speaker 22: partners who are interested in that intimatey, a lot of

966
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Speaker 22: interest in antimomy, probably more so than the gold to

967
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Speaker 22: be honest, but obviously golds at a high record high

968
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Speaker 22: at the moment as well.

969
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: Good stuff, mate, beast of luck with it in the

970
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Speaker 2: fast tracking that Simon DeLanda Ruer, Gold Vice President five

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Speaker 2: twenty two.

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Speaker 3: The name you.

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Speaker 1: Trusted to get the answers you need, it's Heather duplic

974
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Speaker 1: Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one

975
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: else news talk.

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00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 5: There'd be.

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Speaker 2: Heather as a lifelong national voter. Todd's waffle answer has

978
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Speaker 2: cost them my vote the s year. Hello New Zealand. First,

979
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Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of texts like that Greek and

980
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Speaker 2: we will get to it before the end of the

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Speaker 2: five twenty five. Now I reckon in the scale of

982
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Speaker 2: the mistakes to be made in an election year, this

983
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: electricity tax announced by the government yesterday to pay for

984
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Speaker 2: the Aling terminal to be built might be right up there.

985
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Speaker 2: The Taxpayers Union basically started going hard on it within

986
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Speaker 2: I reckon an hour of the announcement yesterday, and it

987
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Speaker 2: is not let up today and how hard it's going.

988
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: And the Taxpayer's Union makes some very good points. Chris

989
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: Luxon promised us no new taxes, or at least that

990
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Speaker 2: he would lower our taxes. Instead, he's lumping us with

991
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Speaker 2: a new tax. National says, it's not a levee. It's

992
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Speaker 2: a levee, it's not a tax. But you'll you'll remember

993
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Speaker 2: what happened when Labor brought in the levees and then

994
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Speaker 2: tried to pretend they weren't taxes. The National Party called

995
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Speaker 2: bs on that. Do you remember what Nikola will have

996
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Speaker 2: said about the Key we Save a levy that Labour

997
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Speaker 2: wanted to bring in back in twenty twenty two. She said,

998
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Speaker 2: if it looks like a tax and it quacks like

999
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Speaker 2: a tax, it's a tax. Or guess what Chris Hipkins

1000
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: said about the electricity levy today. If it looks like

1001
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: a tax and it quacks like a tax, it is

1002
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Speaker 2: a tax. Now, that would be funny. Quoting Nicola back

1003
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: on herself would be funny and ironic if it wasn't

1004
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Speaker 2: that we're actually talking about paying more taxes and we're

1005
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: talking about the second government in a row trying to

1006
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Speaker 2: pretend we're stupid and can't tell the difference between a

1007
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Speaker 2: tax and a levee, which is that there is no difference. Now,

1008
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Speaker 2: why I think this is particularly problematic for National is

1009
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: that we are still in the cost of living crisis.

1010
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: Our power bills are high enough without another tax. But moreover,

1011
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: I think we expected better, given that five minutes ago

1012
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: National was on our side calling out Labour's bs. It

1013
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: is very disappointing seeing them try to play the same

1014
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: trick on us, and that's without even discussing the optics

1015
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: of us being forced to pay for a storage terminal

1016
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Speaker 2: for publicly floated electricity companies to use.

1017
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Speaker 5: Now.

1018
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Speaker 2: I don't know how the government gets out of this,

1019
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: but unless they want the taxpayers Union hammering them for

1020
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: the next nine months and losing one of their major

1021
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: points of difference with Labor, they might want to get

1022
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: out of this.

1023
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Speaker 3: Heather do for sels.

1024
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: I see signs already that they want to get out

1025
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: of this, so they appear to be doing a little backtracking,

1026
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: at least on the language now. Yesterday at the press conference,

1027
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Speaker 2: Simon Watts was very happy to explain to us how

1028
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: households would be paying this level.

1029
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 11: We already have levees in place, such as the way

1030
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Speaker 11: in which we fund the electricity authority. So Levey's on

1031
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 11: industry is not a new concept. But we'll work through

1032
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 11: the mechanism in order to do that.

1033
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: Now, within two hours on this show, Nikola Willis was

1034
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Speaker 2: just not even going to talk about it. So electricity

1035
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: users will not pay this.

1036
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Speaker 11: We think this for lower costs to households.

1037
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Speaker 2: And then this morning in an interview, Simon Watts was

1038
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: suddenly saying we're not going to pay the levy, and the.

1039
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 8: Levy will not be passed on to households.

1040
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 11: Households will see a net savings.

1041
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: Let's just see what happens. But if this doesn't feel

1042
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: like what is it? If it feels like if it

1043
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: walks like a U turn and it sounds like a

1044
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: U turn, is it a U turn in the making? Anyway?

1045
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: Guess what the Taxpayers Union is actually on the huddle

1046
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: this evening, so we might have a chat about it.

1047
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: Uses next.

1048
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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

1049
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duper Clan

1050
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: drive with one new Zealand. The power of satellite mobile

1051
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: can use talks that be only.

1052
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea who Nationals Messaging PR team are,

1053
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: but they need to be fired.

1054
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1055
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Speaker 2: Anyway, So on the actual I mean, what can I

1056
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Speaker 2: say about that. We're going to talk to Jordan Williams

1057
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Speaker 2: about that shortly. He's on the huddle with us and

1058
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Speaker 2: Alie Jones as well. On the actual substance of the

1059
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Speaker 2: thing that we are debating though, which is the allergy

1060
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Speaker 2: gas terminal the allergy terminal rather you will I don't

1061
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: know if you're aware of this, but the big power

1062
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: companies actually consider doing this themselves. That was that was

1063
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Speaker 2: that report that I was talking about yesterday, The Clarish

1064
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: report was then having a look at it and they

1065
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: backed away from it. They were like, NA, not going

1066
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Speaker 2: to do it. So we're going to talk to one

1067
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: of them. Stew Hamilton from Mercury will bear us after

1068
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: six o'clock and talk us through all of the thinking.

1069
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: They're twenty four away from sex now. The government has

1070
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: announced the next set of events that's gonna that will

1071
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: benefit from its Events boost fund. We've got stuff like

1072
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: Fashion Week in Auckland, a new Fashion Week in christ Church,

1073
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: World of Wearable Art and Wellington. The Ames Games and

1074
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: Totunger Wellington on a Plat and Beavana are on the

1075
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Speaker 2: list as well. Penny Debuced is the GM of the

1076
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: trust that runs both of these events, and she's with

1077
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Speaker 2: us now. High Penny you what I great to be

1078
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: with you, lovely to have you. Now do you need

1079
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: this money for these events? Because these events are already

1080
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: really successful, aren't they.

1081
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Speaker 10: They are very well establised events. And then Beavana. It

1082
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Speaker 10: will be our twenty sixth year of Beavanna this year.

1083
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 10: Visa well and High Plates started way back in two

1084
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Speaker 10: thousand and nine in the response to the global financial crisis.

1085
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Speaker 10: But I think the thing here is that we're a

1086
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Speaker 10: small not for profit trust. We don't exist in an

1087
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Speaker 10: international kind of capacity. So this investment from the e

1088
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Speaker 10: Event's Boost Fund is a huge opportunity for us to

1089
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Speaker 10: market these events internationally and bring international visitors into New Zealand.

1090
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Speaker 2: You already do.

1091
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Speaker 10: What's really exciting, We do have a small number of

1092
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Speaker 10: people who come for Beavana. We know about three hundred

1093
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Speaker 10: people travel each year to come to the festival, and

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Speaker 10: that's without us really having any resource to put into

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Speaker 10: marketing that we know that in Australia there's a really

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Speaker 10: growing market for craftier tourism, so we're excited to be

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Speaker 10: able to cust weer really kind of get our teeth

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Speaker 10: into that and bring them over here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so will you spend that two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars? Will that be predominantly spent on marketing?

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Speaker 11: Will it?

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Speaker 10: So a mix of talent attraction and marketing. So for

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Speaker 10: Visa Wellington a plate, we're bringing in international chefs and

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Speaker 10: that's an opportunity for our local hospitality community to learn

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Speaker 10: from these sheds and also for us to get New

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Speaker 10: Zealand products into their hands as well as creating reasons

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Speaker 10: for people to travel to come and see them. So

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Speaker 10: a mix of talent attraction and international promotion.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this is because I see in

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Speaker 2: the article where this has been you know, it's been

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Speaker 2: written up for one of the papers. Since Wellington is

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Speaker 2: the culinary capital of New Zealand, and I don't want

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Speaker 2: to be that person who moved out of Wellington and

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Speaker 2: moved to Auckland and then was like ninetey no, but

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Speaker 2: are you sure?

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Speaker 10: Well, look, we're the capital city and we've got great

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Speaker 10: culinary experiences, so I'm just putting those two things together.

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Speaker 10: But we have some we have some world class culinary

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Speaker 10: activity here, I mean Wellington and yeah, look it's no

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Speaker 10: it's been a tough couple of years for hospitality across

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Speaker 10: New Zealand, and Wellington has had a couple of years.

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Speaker 10: But there are some fantastic dining places here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're allowed to pick favorites, best

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Speaker 2: place to have done.

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Speaker 10: I love all of my children equally.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm worry about it, but let me let me

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Speaker 2: rephrase it. Let me rephrase it, Penny. So I'm coming

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Speaker 2: down in March and my bestie and I are going

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Speaker 2: to go out for dinner. We should we go?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 10: Oh, look, so many great places. One of my favorites

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Speaker 10: is Grave, which is a local in Calbourn. It's kind

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Speaker 10: of over where I live. Parlor and Island Bay is

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Speaker 10: a fantastic new place owned by the people who own

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Speaker 10: Ombra and Keisha, which also great. Probably gonna take my

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Speaker 10: husband to Rita those birthday next month. But I also

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Speaker 10: love you know jan in fast Foods at three in

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Speaker 10: the morning.

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Speaker 2: I like the other one kitchen. Yeah, yeah, m Casey Kitchen,

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Speaker 2: good old nasty food, Hate me too, Penny, thanks so much,

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Speaker 2: made appreciate it, Penny. The Borst Wellington Culinary Events Trust GM.

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Speaker 2: Actually Rita which is the one in ro O Valley

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Speaker 2: was a crime that I never went to it, So

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Speaker 2: maybe that's the one we need to go to. Twenty

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Speaker 2: away from six the Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name you can trust

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Speaker 1: locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: On the Huddle with me this evening, we've got Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams Taxpayers Union, Alie Jones read pr Hello you too,

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Speaker 2: Hello you too, h Heather writer, Jordan tax This electricity tax,

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Speaker 2: I think might be about the biggest problem that they

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Speaker 2: have at the moment, the biggest own goal this year.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 19: That's our conclusion and it is when your whole stick

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00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 19: can you think the National Party and you look at

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Speaker 19: the social media and there clearly their message for the

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Speaker 19: election campaign is Christopher Hickins the other side and a

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Speaker 19: tax you just like they did last time. It's going

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Speaker 19: to be tax, tax, taxes, capital gains tax is just

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Speaker 19: the beginning. It's going to be the Greens they want

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Speaker 19: to you know, whatever. Yesterday the government handed the rebuttal

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Speaker 19: over the stick for Chris Hipkins to whack back, saying,

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Speaker 19: but they're going to text you tristy bill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and yep.

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Speaker 19: The Minister of Energy is saying, yeah, there's going to

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Speaker 19: be savings, although in the post keps so they couldn't

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Speaker 19: even guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, the very what.

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Speaker 19: There's two bills in our polling in terms of the

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Speaker 19: cost of living crisis that people are citing as real concerns,

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Speaker 19: and his rates and his electricity. The idea that ten

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Speaker 19: months out from election that they would announce they're going

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Speaker 19: to put a levy or a tax on that is

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Speaker 19: so politically stupid. I do not know what's going on.

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Speaker 19: I just heard your editorial where you blame the tax

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Speaker 19: Payer Union for this. It was Christopher Hipkins within thirty

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Speaker 19: minutes of this announcement calling it a gas tax. That

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Speaker 19: is the stick that the National Party have allowed had

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Speaker 19: given him and they don't need to look reasonable minds

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Speaker 19: And actually I think that this project is necessary. Support it.

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Speaker 19: But in Australia and Victoria they're building two of these things.

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Speaker 19: No tax payer funder who pay for it. It's totally

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Speaker 19: private sect there's not even underwriting. And but what the

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Speaker 19: GUV could do, as you know that, it could either

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Speaker 19: come up with a deal around around underwriting the risk

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Speaker 19: or a take a take or pay deal or the

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Speaker 19: obvious thing is the government sitting on thirteen point eight

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Speaker 19: billion dollars of energy assets. Let's just pick up the

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Speaker 19: idea that Nikola Willis and Christopher lux And talk about

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Speaker 19: of asset recycling. You sell a billion dollars of it,

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Speaker 19: You ring fence that to fix the energy issues that

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Speaker 19: were created by Christopher Hipkins and just Cindera Durn's government.

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Speaker 19: As I say, you ring fence it and make it

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Speaker 19: explicit and you use that money.

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Speaker 2: Yep, fair enough, I heard you Ali going, m Do

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Speaker 2: you agree with that?

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Speaker 5: I do?

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Speaker 23: It pains me to say, actually, no, that's not fair.

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Speaker 23: I agree. I agree with everything that Jordan has said.

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Speaker 23: What really annoys me about this though, is that it's

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Speaker 23: turned into this ridiculous squabbling with politicians being like kids

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Speaker 23: in a sandpit. Is it a levy?

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Speaker 2: Is it a tax?

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Speaker 23: For God's sake? The important thing here is kiwi's are

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Speaker 23: struggling and have been since National came in, despite the

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Speaker 23: promises around and it's not just rates And what was

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Speaker 23: the other thing you said, Jordan, there were two things electricity, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 23: but I think groceries and insurance are the other two

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Speaker 23: big ones that we hear about. And we've heard this

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Speaker 23: government say time and time again we're going to deal

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Speaker 23: with it, We're going to sort with it, sort it,

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Speaker 23: and these things have not been sorted and here they

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Speaker 23: are making electricity bills more expensive.

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Speaker 19: But it's the conversation my uber driver said to me

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Speaker 19: this morning on that the question around is it attacked

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Speaker 19: or at levy? Literally said, do they think I'm stupid?

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Speaker 2: Well, what do we fear though?

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Speaker 23: Jordan, No, Jordan, I believe it is a levy And

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Speaker 23: I don't even want to get into that argument because

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Speaker 23: I think it's totally irrelevant. I mean, a levy is

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Speaker 23: something that has ring fenced like acc levees for the

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Speaker 23: acc scheme in the na.

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Speaker 19: Lees or.

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Speaker 23: Hang on your had to go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: But what I'm saying is that we are not discussing

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Speaker 23: what's important here, which is the effect on New Zealanders

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Speaker 23: when this government has said they were going to bring

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Speaker 23: the cost of living down that is becoming. It's not

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Speaker 23: being talked about because of an allegy for definitions.

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Speaker 2: It's important because attacks is difficult for you when you

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Speaker 2: are in a cost of living crisis. But apparently a

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Speaker 2: levy is not so of course, which is why see

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Speaker 2: what it is an important It is important to say

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Speaker 2: that there is no difference between the two in order

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Speaker 2: to call out their bs.

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Speaker 23: Well why are we even giving an airtime? The bottom

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Speaker 23: line is whether it's a levy or attacks, it is

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Speaker 23: effect in New Zealand.

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Speaker 19: I think it doesn't matter, but the fact the fact

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Speaker 19: that the government is even having that argument is so

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Speaker 19: damaging to what what what Nationals stand for and their

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Speaker 19: proposition to the electro.

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Speaker 23: I mean, I agree, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the exasperation sound.

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Speaker 19: It's not that I'm annoyed that calling it a levy,

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Speaker 19: It's that it's the stupidity for the for the Prime

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Speaker 19: Minister to allow himself from a situation arguing with journalists

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Speaker 19: it's not a tax, it's a levy.

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Speaker 2: Under because authority.

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Speaker 19: And it's exactly what just cindera Dern did and what

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Speaker 19: the National Party absolutely harpooned them for.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, I told them making the same mistakes. I

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Speaker 2: totally go okay, we'll take a break we'll come back

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Speaker 2: to you. Guys shortly called it to the Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly global brand.

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Speaker 2: Write you back of the Huddle, Ali Jones and Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams Now, Ali, I can't believe we're going from the

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Speaker 2: government being slightly dishonest about a levy and attacks to

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Speaker 2: the government apparently being slightly dishonest about what was in

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Speaker 2: the India Free Trade Agreement. We now have it confirmed

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Speaker 2: that we're not able to put a cap on the

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Speaker 2: Indian students. You've got a problem with that.

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Speaker 23: Why the hell did this take so long to sort out?

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 23: You know, I kept this has been talked about for

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Speaker 23: the last two weeks. Okay. I wonder if this would

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Speaker 23: have happened if it wasn't an election year. But you know,

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Speaker 23: Todd McLay laid it out when he talked to you earlier,

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Speaker 23: and I saw him on with Ryan Bridge this morning

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Speaker 23: again very clear. So why on earth wasn't this made

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Speaker 23: clear a week a week and a half ago. It's

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Speaker 23: all around definition. It's all about not being racist if

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Speaker 23: you like, in outlining particularly Indian students in the FTA.

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Speaker 23: We know now that the settings the country's immigration settings

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Speaker 23: applied generally. It doesn't have to be specific in the FTA,

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Speaker 23: what will Winston say tomorrow? Now you know this is

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Speaker 23: will we have another bite it at all of tomorrow

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Speaker 23: as well? I just don't understand here the why this

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Speaker 23: has been as long as it has been, as far

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Speaker 23: as the story goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a Jordan. It's a silly strategic

1282
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Speaker 2: move to be shady about it because Winston Winston got

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Speaker 2: the running on it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it plays in two into Peter's hands, isn't it.

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Speaker 19: And it's very untidy and messy and he's able to

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Speaker 19: sort of be act quite quickly. And the NATS, particularly

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Speaker 19: because it relates to diplomatic matters, everything takes forever. I mean,

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Speaker 19: I thought it was interesting though. In our most recent poll,

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Speaker 19: we ask you know, what is the most important came

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Speaker 19: with the exact word and what's the most important voting issue?

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Speaker 19: And I actually had a really angry email from Adona

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Speaker 19: say why don't you ask about immigration? And of course

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Speaker 19: it's actually an open ended question. It's not even in

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Speaker 19: our top ten. It was four or five months ago,

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Speaker 19: it's not now. And I suspect what Winston Peters is

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Speaker 19: wanting to do. I suspect he is, is yeah, push

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Speaker 19: it up there, yeah, push it up now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Allie, I see in your part of the world

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Speaker 2: that your counsel has spent six million dollars on a website,

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Speaker 2: which definitely begs the question, how are they spending that

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Speaker 2: much money on a website? What's going on?

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Speaker 23: Oh god, I'm horrified. I heard counselor Sam McDonald on

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Speaker 23: with you just after four and like Sam, I'm not

1304
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Speaker 23: an IT expert. I have been speaking to one this afternoon.

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Speaker 23: I've got a friend who works in Sydney and builds

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Speaker 23: apps and websites and I won't go over it because

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Speaker 23: it's tedious and my eyes glazed over. But the two

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Speaker 23: main takeaways from me year is that I think this

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Speaker 23: is more involved, in detailed than an app versus a website.

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Speaker 23: You know, you've got a native app, you've got a

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Speaker 23: website you can put on your phone. I think it's

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Speaker 23: quite involved and not as black and white as it seems. Secondly,

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Speaker 23: where is the user research in the business case? You know,

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Speaker 23: where will it? Will it deliver value? Who was asked

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Speaker 23: about it? I suspect, having sat around that council table

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Speaker 23: a few years ago. What has happened here is that

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Speaker 23: counselors have gone, we want an app. We want a

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Speaker 23: one stop shop for residents, visitors, businesses, everything. An app would

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Speaker 23: be really cool. Go away and make us an app.

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Speaker 23: I think that's what's happened.

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Speaker 2: How does an app Jordan cost the same as about

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Speaker 2: five or six houses like nice houses as well?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I know a little bit about the stuff. I

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Speaker 19: own a digital marketing company that makes websites every day.

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Speaker 19: I saw that amount of money and it makes me

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Speaker 19: want to cry. I'm doing let's just say.

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Speaker 2: We extremely expensive.

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Speaker 19: I thought Sam McDonald was extremely.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 19: I would not have been as calm if I was

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Speaker 19: in his You have you restrain, that's it. Well, he

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 19: came across a lot more restrained than I would have.

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Speaker 19: When you sit around a governance table, you ask your

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Speaker 19: officials to do something you spend six million on in

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Speaker 19: their company. So we didn't actually do what you asked

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Speaker 19: us to the technicality, especially now with AI being able

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Speaker 19: to hook into a different APIs is not that complex.

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Speaker 19: And the difference if you're doing that for a web

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Speaker 19: application doing it for a website, the difference between that

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Speaker 19: and an app is almost immaterial.

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Speaker 23: But where's the report mechanism though.

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Speaker 19: The accountability You asked your staff to do X, You're

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Speaker 19: explicit on it, they don't do it. And it is

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Speaker 19: almost as if the officials consider they are in charge.

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01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 19: You public official, you elected officials. You were here to

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Speaker 19: serve us, not the other way around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right now, I agree with all your things,

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Speaker 2: well everything you guys have basically just said Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: Taxpas Union, Allie Jones read parra huddle this evening. Thank

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Speaker 2: you both. Eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 11: Hither.

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Speaker 2: I work in the space and I've built websites before,

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Speaker 2: and you could build one for two thousand dollars, you

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: can build an effective one for twenty thousand dollars, and

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01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: you can build an amazing one for fifty thousand. You

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01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: know what you need to do, is, Steve, you need

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Speaker 2: to just give give them christ Church City Council a

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Speaker 2: call and just offer your services because ow which sounds

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Speaker 2: to me like you might be onto something there. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Simon Watts has got in touch with us and he'd

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Speaker 2: like to come on the show again to talk about

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Speaker 2: LNG so, you know, because the stuff is important and

1365
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about it, so we said absolutely, so

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have a chat obviously, first off to the

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Speaker 2: Mercury Boss, but then after that word of chat to

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Speaker 2: Simon and just clarify whatever it is that he wants

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Speaker 2: to clarify. I'll tell you what the problem. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: deal with the two problems of the government today. The

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Speaker 2: first one obviously being the FTA and the stuff there

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Speaker 2: that was it shouldn't have I think Allie Jones basically

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: said it all before. It shouldn't have taken this long

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Speaker 2: to clarify that. Yes, that ability that is in the

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: free trade agreement. Winston was right weeks ago. We can't

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: cap the number of students. It's not a problem for

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01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 2: the following reasons, blah blah blah whatever. But it wouldn't

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01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: have given him the ability to paint this government as

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Speaker 2: being slightly dishonest, which is what he's managed to do.

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Speaker 2: And they are heaps of people who are but conspiracy

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01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: theorists bent and they're gonna love that stuff. So that's

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Speaker 2: the first problem. The second problem is what's just happened

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Speaker 2: with the tax. What is going on is that, as

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Speaker 2: Jordan pointed out before, it's the point and I've made

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Speaker 2: the point earlier my editorial. It's the point of difference.

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Speaker 2: Being able to be honest, being able to run the

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Speaker 2: economy and keep the tax as low is the point

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Speaker 2: of difference that the National Party has with the Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: That's now gone. But actually, when you think about a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff, the differences between the Labor Party

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01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: and the National Government at the moment are evaporating, which

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Speaker 2: is why I constantly get this text Heather Luxon is

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Speaker 2: just a bald descinder. I cannot to tell you the

1394
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: number of times people text me Luxon is bulled Jacinda.

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Speaker 2: I mean, apart quite apart from the fact that that's

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Speaker 2: quite an image to have in your head. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that any of us, who you know, have lived

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Speaker 2: under the Labor government of Jacinda wants to be compared

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Speaker 2: to Jacinda. Do we anyway? Listen on something? Very quickly?

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Speaker 2: Something else is happening. I don't know if you know this,

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Speaker 2: but for the second Olympics in a row, the medals

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Speaker 2: are breaking. So far four of them have broken. And

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: what happens is the guys get excited, well I've won, Well,

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01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: got it around their neck and the little clip that

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: attaches the medal to the little string that was a

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Speaker 2: bit that snaps off. And one theory is that Italian

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Speaker 2: law requires medals to have a built in breakaway mechanism

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Speaker 2: so people can't choke on things like that. So it

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Speaker 2: could be the Italians that are the problem health and

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Speaker 2: safety anyway, Ellen g next.

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Speaker 1: Quere Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Header Duplessy

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mas Insurance and Investments, Your Future in good Hands,

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Speaker 1: News talks there be even.

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Speaker 2: In coming up in the next hour. It turns out

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01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: we might have more corruption in the country than we think.

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Transparency International after half past

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01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: six National Lamb Days coming up. Jomy mckayl on that

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01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: and Kirs Starmer has surprisingly survived as Prime Minister, will

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Speaker 2: head to end of Brady for that at seven past six.

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Speaker 2: Now the government is facing some heat over its plans

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Speaker 2: for an allergy import terminal at a cost of more

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Speaker 2: than a billion dollars. Now, what you may not realize

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Speaker 2: is the major power retailers considered building this terminal themselves.

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Speaker 2: Last year and decided not to, and among them was

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Speaker 2: Mercury Energy Chief executive Steu Hamilton is with us now,

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Speaker 2: ste good evening, Why do you guys decide not to

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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 24: For us, it's really making sure that we've got multiple

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Speaker 24: solutions in place to support the resilience of the greadful

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Speaker 24: New Zealanders. And so at the time, we were investigating

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Speaker 24: a number of those options. One of those is to

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Speaker 24: keep building power plants as fast as we can, which

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Speaker 24: we're doing the otherwise with the Hartby firming options. So

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Speaker 24: for us, we felt we'd explored a number of those

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Speaker 24: options and had some of them in train already.

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Speaker 2: So you guys went with the Huntly firming the coal

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Speaker 2: instead of the gas import.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, we think there's a number of options which you needed.

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01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 24: Huntley firming options with coal is one of those. Using

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Speaker 24: demand response from other users like the topoint elementsveld Or

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Speaker 24: is a key part of the solution. And then for us,

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Speaker 24: we thought that we could put our best use of

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Speaker 24: our capital in place to build things like wind farms

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Speaker 24: and g thermal power stations.

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Speaker 2: And let me get this right, But the project that

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Speaker 2: you had looked at would have cost about two hundred

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Speaker 2: to five hundred million dollars right, and you turned that

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Speaker 2: down at that cost. The government is looking at something

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Speaker 2: costing more than double that.

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Speaker 24: Yes, So definitely no doubt that it's look as a

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Speaker 24: tough period for New Zealand right in terms of cost

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Speaker 24: and that shows up for households in for businesses equally.

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Speaker 24: So we need to make sure that what we're investing

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Speaker 24: our money in is best for not only our owners

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Speaker 24: but also consumers and our customers.

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't the country just go with the coal at

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Speaker 2: Huntley instead of this?

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Speaker 24: I think that what's being talked about so Huntley is

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Speaker 24: a formal solution, but it doesn't solve the whole problem.

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Speaker 24: So when we get to dry years, because that's really

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Speaker 24: what we're looking at is the dry years it exists with,

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Speaker 24: we're missing some energy in New Zealand and Huntley provides

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Speaker 24: about half of that and at the moment gas provides

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Speaker 24: a portion of it as well. But the sort of

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Speaker 24: looking out into the long term as gas in New

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Speaker 24: Zealand just dive away, there is a need for other

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Speaker 24: forms of solutionsy.

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Speaker 2: Can't we get Huntly to do all of it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 24: It potentially so coal provides Summer Huntly power, but gas

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Speaker 24: is necessary for another part of Huntley's generation. So gas

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Speaker 24: is still needed to keep Summer Huntly going.

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Speaker 2: But why don't we let coal do all of it

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Speaker 2: instead of building a billion dollar terminal and bringing in

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Speaker 2: gas to do some of it.

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Speaker 24: It's a great question. So there is actually a number

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Speaker 24: of solutions which I need and coal is part of

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Speaker 24: that solution. But ultimately we sort of when we sat

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Speaker 24: down and looked at it, we worked out, actually, the

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Speaker 24: best thing we can do as a company from Mercury

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Speaker 24: As is to build gfm or and build wind farms,

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Speaker 24: and that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Still, isn't it the truth that New Zealand is running

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Speaker 2: out of gas and it will only be sped up

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: when Method X finally closes and the drilling maintenance stops

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Speaker 2: and stuff. Look, we are going to run out of

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Speaker 2: gas faster than a lot of people realize, and actually

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Speaker 2: what we need to do is get everybody off gas.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, we are definitely running out of gas and it's

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Speaker 24: happening at at a rate that was faster than what

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Speaker 24: we expected, and so we need to do a few things.

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Speaker 24: One is we need to encourage consumers and households to

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Speaker 24: get off gas, but not all forms of businesses, for example,

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 24: can get off gas, so we need to come up

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Speaker 24: with other forms of energy for them. So, yes, you're right,

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Speaker 24: we definitely needn't need to encourage that transition away from gas.

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Speaker 24: But equally we need to be building power stations as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. But so if we accept that we're running

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Speaker 2: out of gas and we need to get off gas,

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Speaker 2: then this is just a really expensive way of basically

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Speaker 2: subsidizing industries that are still on gas. Is that not right?

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Speaker 3: It is a cost.

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Speaker 24: You're right. Actually to put this project in place will

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Speaker 24: require and is Zealand to invest in this. What is

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Speaker 24: an effect in insurance. Really it's put in place with

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Speaker 24: the expectation that it's there for a dry year. That

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Speaker 24: reduces the risk and I guess in the long term

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Speaker 24: should be looking at reducing price. But it is a

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Speaker 24: cost to invest in that plant upfront.

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Speaker 2: Steward, is this going to bring down if this all

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Speaker 2: goes to plan, will it bring down our power prices?

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Speaker 24: I think in the short term at the moment, currently,

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Speaker 24: most of the price increases that households are seen are

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01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 24: actually due to investment in power lines and transmission. So

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01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 24: actually not much of it is due to wholesale power prices.

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01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 24: So in the short term that's where the cost is

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Speaker 24: coming from. In the medium term, as I mentioned, there's

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Speaker 24: some investment needed in this power plant or in this

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Speaker 24: energy import facility. But in the long term, it should

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Speaker 24: cap the prices that ne zele to see in dry periods.

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Speaker 24: And I guess what that means is that prices should

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 24: go up less than they will.

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: If they're not coming down. They're just not going to

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 2: go up as fast the levy. You're going to pass

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01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: it on to us? We are you guys going to

1527
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: suck it up.

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 24: It's a bit early for us to really work out

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01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 24: what the details look like ultimately when they work.

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 2: Out enough for LA to know how it works.

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Speaker 24: As it saying, it's a cost for new Zeon right,

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 24: So somehow we need to be working out how we're

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 24: going to invest in this facility and how that shows

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 24: up through the Consumerschgue.

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Speaker 2: It's always lovely to have your time. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: It's Steve Hamilton, Mercury Energy Chief Executive, twelve past six.

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01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 3: Heather perceive.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the main pressure that's been piled on the government

1539
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: is over the levee that it's imposing on households after

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: campaigning on removing taxes. The Energy Minister, Simon Watts has

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: asked to come on the show to respond to these

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01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: attacks and is with us, Hi, Simon, Good evening, Heather,

1543
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 2: what are people getting wrong?

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 11: So the levee point is a levee to build the

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 11: infrastructure that will go on the electricity sector. We'll also

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 11: see a downward pressure on energy prices and if you

1547
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 11: net those two things off, we'll see a benefit to

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 11: households and we will see downward pressure in terms of

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 11: household bills. I listened to that interview before, Heather, and

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 11: the reality is we've already got proof of the pudding

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 11: in twenty four that energy prices spiked because we didn't

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 11: have enough gas and huntly does not cover enough of

1553
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 11: that gap with coal alone. We need gas and we

1554
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 11: need those molecules and that's the problem we're facing. An

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 11: importation will allow us to get that gas.

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01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Seems to me that politically, at least, your biggest problem

1557
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: is going to be running a campaign where you have

1558
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: a crack at labor for wanting to tax us when

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: you yourself are taxing us. So what about Jordan Williams

1560
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: and the Taxpayer Union's idea, which is to sell off

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: some of the I guess some of the publicly floated

1562
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: the share you have in the publicly floated assets and

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: ring fence that and use that money to build the

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01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,919
Speaker 2: facility instead of taxing us to build the facility.

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01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 11: Well here that we both know that labor are just

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01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 11: trying to create a distraction. You know, this is a

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 11: net savings for.

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,879
Speaker 8: Helphold the conversation and assets sales.

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Speaker 2: Simon, you can you can turn this into a labour's

1571
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 2: having a crack at you think I am a punter

1572
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: who's going to vote in November and I'm telling you

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01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: now you're taxing me and that's going to be a problem.

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Speaker 11: We're not taxing you. There is a net benefit to

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01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 11: household power book and businesses as a role of it.

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01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 11: There's a benefit and there's a levy cost. But let's

1577
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 11: talk about the ASSI sales, which is a question. PMS

1578
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 11: made our position pretty clear on asset sales. It's not

1579
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 11: something that's on the table this term, and you know

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01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 11: we will won't campaign on So that's where we are

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 11: on asse.

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 2: Cells, right, is this something that Is this a concession

1583
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 2: to Shane Jones? Is this something Shane wanted in one

1584
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: of the meetings and has now got.

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 11: This is a solution to the underlying problem that we

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 11: faced in twenty four, which is we do not have

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01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 11: sufficient gas to make electricity to keep the lights on,

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Speaker 11: and we need to be able to import that gas.

1590
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Speaker 11: And if we've got certainty of that supply, then we've

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 11: got certainty of being able to keep the lights on.

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 11: And that certainty is important not only for households and businesses,

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 11: but also for gas users that are trying to make

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 11: you back. I mean, the last person said, hey, the

1595
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 11: way we deal with this one way is to tell

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 11: industry to shut down production. Well, that's insane.

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01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 11: We want to be building and making as much as

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01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 11: we can in this country. I don't want to turn

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Speaker 11: down the dials of invery industry every time I have

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 11: a dry year. That doesn't cut it. We need a

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 11: much more strategic solution and an importation of guests. Does

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 11: the author Simon?

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time, and I really appreciate you taking

1605
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: the time to come on the show again. Look after

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01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: yourself and we'll talk soon, Simon, what's the Energy Minister

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: quarter past?

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by newstalkszbby Approaching the numbers and

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01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: getting the results. It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 1: Hour with maths, insurance and investments.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands used talk zedby.

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't know did Simon want say anything we didn't

1614
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 2: hear yesterday? I don't think so. Eighteen past six Jamie McKay,

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01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: Host of the Countries with Us.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Jamie, can I hea that I'll have to be

1617
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 6: quick today? I'm in and over and I'm just about

1618
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 6: to be dropped off in Wellington for National or the

1619
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 6: National Lambday barbecue tomorrow, so I don't want to cost

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 6: in zed need too much of a tip for the one.

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: That absolutely fine. When you when you're in the uber

1622
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 2: and have to get out, you just get out and

1623
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: do all the things you need to do, your bag

1624
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: and shutting the door while we're on the phone, because

1625
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: we'll look.

1626
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 6: At all my notes that I've spent our slop and

1627
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 6: that gripping for the slot.

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01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: Hey, so listen. The twenty fourteen World Sharing Champion is

1629
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: going to have another crack in Masterton, which is twelve

1630
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 2: years between drinks is like that feels like a long time.

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 6: Well, he's been a few Sharing Champs in between times,

1632
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 6: but he's just had a bit of bad luck. Look,

1633
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 6: Roland Smith is the second best New Zealand sharer of

1634
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 6: all time, behind Sir David Fagan, who's won so many

1635
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 6: no one will ever catch them. But yeah, Roland won

1636
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 6: the twenty fourteen World Sharing Champs. He's a hawks Bay farmer.

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01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 6: He doesn't even share these days here that he literally

1638
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 6: has a big contracting business. He's got a big farming

1639
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 6: operation and he likes driving diggers, so only he does

1640
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 6: just enough sharing and no more.

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 8: He qualified last weekend. He'll join Tyler Henderson. They're going

1642
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 8: to make a.

1643
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 6: Very very very strong New Zealand side for the World

1644
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 6: Sharing Champs, which goes in conjunction with the Golden Shares

1645
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 6: and Mastered and March four to seven, and over the

1646
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 6: weekend they had the Rangatiki Sharing North Island Champs. Roland

1647
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 6: qualified and Marika Braddock also qualified in the wool handling.

1648
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 6: She will join Joel Henare, who's won more titles at

1649
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 6: all sorts of levels than I can remember. So this

1650
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 6: is a very very strong New Zealand side that will

1651
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 6: obviously they'll compete as individuals and the Golden Chars, but

1652
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 6: when it comes to the World Champs, they'll compete as

1653
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 6: a team and they'll also compete as individuals. And I'd

1654
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,879
Speaker 6: put the house on either Roland Smith or Tower Henderson

1655
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 6: to take out the World Sharing title.

1656
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: Now where are you in terms of your Uber ride? Now?

1657
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 6: I'm stopped outside the Ridges on Featherston Street. I'm sure

1658
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 6: you know it well either.

1659
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: I love now we all know where to go for

1660
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: a drink tonight, Jamie, you go, You'll let you go,

1661
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 2: You get out of you Uber. Thank you so much

1662
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you in a couple of days time.

1663
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay, Host of the Country, can you get a

1664
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: clear answer from someone if Huntley can scrap their gas

1665
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 2: and make it up like their gas output and then

1666
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 2: make it up through either coal because there is through coal,

1667
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: because there is enough coal there for donkeys years. Derek,

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01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure that this is something that has occurred to

1669
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: all of us actually, but the problem will be obviously

1670
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: that there will be a cost associated with turning the

1671
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 2: gas burning stuff off and replacing it with coal burning stuff, right,

1672
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: and all the infrastructure that's required for that. There will

1673
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: be a cost there, I'd has it. I guess it

1674
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: wouldn't be as expensive as building an LNG terminal, so

1675
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: I'd say it's probably cheaper. But then there is a

1676
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: big political problem here, which is if the government goes okay,

1677
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: I then mind tell Huntley to stop burning gas and

1678
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: just go full noise on the coal. Can you imagine

1679
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 2: business class to London, Chloe, and how that's going to

1680
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 2: flipper out? You'd be like, wow, climate emergency, even though

1681
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 2: of course those of us who follow politics long enough

1682
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 2: know that we're dealing with this situation because of what

1683
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: you people did last time around. So this will be

1684
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 2: shaped this back to the Greens. But yeah, if they

1685
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: start burning the coal, it hunt me full noise more

1686
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: than they're doing at the moment. I think that Simon

1687
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: Simon may become the worst climate change minister in history,

1688
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 2: probably according to Chloe six twenty two.

1689
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

1690
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: on the business hour with hand the DUPLECLA and MAS insurance.

1691
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,520
Speaker 3: And investments, your futures in good hands used talks.

1692
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 2: Vy Hey, do you remember the two Melbourne girls who

1693
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: died after drinking that methanol laced alcohol in Laos and

1694
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: the ten and then the ten people that were connected

1695
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 2: to the hostel that served them went to court last month.

1696
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: Do you remember that those people who served the drinks

1697
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: and killed the girls have just been fined one hundred

1698
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: and eighty five dollars. I mean, you'll probably understand why

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01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: the parents are pretty upset about that.

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 5: Now.

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: The situation with Keir Starmer in the UK is fascinating

1702
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: because here we were all like, n it's not gonna last.

1703
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 11: He's not.

1704
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 2: He's got to go, He's got to go, He's gotta go.

1705
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 2: And the Scottish leader of the of the Labour Party

1706
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: was like, he's definitely going to go. So he called

1707
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 2: a press conference. I think he called it, let's say,

1708
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: round about one o'clock in the afternoon, called the press conference.

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: Press conference was for two thirty in between in the

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: intervening one and a half hours. People obviously got wind

1711
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: of what the press conference was about. By two twenty eight,

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01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: he was already the first of the cabinet ministers had

1713
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 2: declared their allegiance with Starma. I think it was Lammy.

1714
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: And after that they all started falling in behind Starma,

1715
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: and by the time the guy had had his press conference,

1716
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: it was basically all over. Everybody was lining up, even

1717
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: even Rainer, who was going to roll him, lining up

1718
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: behind Kiir Starmer, and this guy ended up being the

1719
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: only one standing out there saying Starmer has to quit.

1720
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: We'll talk to the most remarkable. I mean, God only

1721
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: knows how Starmer managed to save himself, but he has.

1722
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 2: So we'll talk to Andon Brady about that in twenty

1723
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: minutes time. Right now, it's six twenty six.

1724
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

1725
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 2: Right so, we know about the halftime show, we know

1726
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 2: about the drama between two performances. But we've gotten some

1727
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 2: more insight into Bad Bunny's show since we last spoke.

1728
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 2: It turns out the NFL wouldn't allow more than twenty

1729
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: five krts of equipment into the stadium, so we just

1730
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: had to be made. They needed to bring in a

1731
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 2: whole lot of grass to make up those fields, so

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: to save on setup time and card space, they hired

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01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty people with strict heights and fitness

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01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: requirements at two thousand dollars us a pop to dress

1735
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: as grass for me. My favorite part was watching the

1736
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: grass come running out.

1737
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 14: From the back.

1738
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: Next. I thought it was the case, but I couldn't

1739
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 2: be sure. The nuptials were one hundred percent real. The

1740
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 2: couple had fifteen extra invitations to their wedding and they decided,

1741
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: you know what, we'll send one to Bad Bunny. But

1742
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: we really like him. And they hadn't expected more than

1743
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: a signed photo, but Bad Bunny's office reached out and

1744
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 2: invited them to get married during the Super Bowl halftime act.

1745
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 13: Lot of Claro marit but as it start yet and

1746
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 13: probably the most meticulous detail.

1747
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 2: All of the small businesses, the vendors, and the workers

1748
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: are real shops and real people. He had reel boxes,

1749
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: he had a real nail technician, a real barber, and

1750
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: all the storefronts were exact copies of real stores.

1751
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 19: That's a real taco.

1752
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,480
Speaker 4: Bad Bunny decided to feature in his performance.

1753
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: This is located in Los Angeles.

1754
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 2: Say what you want about the performance, Say what do

1755
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 2: you want about the guy's politics. Maybe you don't like

1756
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 2: the look of him. Whatever, the attention to detail is unmatched.

1757
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 2: How good is that?

1758
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 15: Hither?

1759
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 2: I bet Jamie will be going straight for the twenty

1760
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: eight day aged sirloin on the bone at the Ridges, Like,

1761
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 2: do you know what I've actually eaten at the Ridges?

1762
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 2: That wasn't a half bad experience. They do a good

1763
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 2: feed there for a hotel, because you know, you don't

1764
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 2: expect much, do you when you eat at a hotel?

1765
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: Think and do you know what else is good in Wellington?

1766
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: If you're going to go eat at a hotel? Is

1767
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 2: that one on Cuba Street? What's it called?

1768
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 5: No?

1769
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: Me, that's not half bad either. I'm obviously spending way

1770
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 2: too much time eating at hotels. That's what I do

1771
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: with my life. Toyota Hotel, have a meal, you know.

1772
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: News is next, and then Transparency International on the unreported

1773
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: corruption in this.

1774
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 25: Country, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business

1775
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 25: hour hand, the dupical and mass insurance and investments.

1776
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands, used talks.

1777
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 1: I'd be.

1778
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: So I'll give the.

1779
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 2: Correct you Meghan Woods is the worst energy minister in history,

1780
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: and James Sure is the worst climate minister climate change

1781
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: minister in history, and that coal had displaced natural gases

1782
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: the transition fill, Jacinda's nuclear free moment banning offshore exploration

1783
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 2: was the catalyst. Therefore the worst Prome minister in history.

1784
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 2: As a one horse race, well, I couldn't possibly disagree

1785
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 2: with that. Inder Brady out of the UK with us

1786
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: in ten minutes time, twenty four away from seven Now.

1787
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 2: The Anti Corruption Task Force has released its report following

1788
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: a six month pilot program to get a better idea

1789
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 2: of corruption in New Zealand. Six agencies across the public

1790
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: sector took part and through the pilot they identified four

1791
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: hundred and forty six left rounded upstates four hundred and

1792
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: fifty cases of alleged internal fraud or corruption. Transparency International

1793
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: New Zealand executive director Julie Hagge is with us on us. Hi,

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01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 2: Julie Kyoder, this is four hundred and fifty odd cases

1795
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: that had not been reported, right, these new cases you discovered.

1796
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 5: Yes, the.

1797
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 26: Serious Fraud Office did the work. Yes, they found I

1798
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 26: think some of them had been reported internally, probably a

1799
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 26: few of them had been reported to the Order to General,

1800
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 26: but they hadn't really had a good look at what

1801
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 26: was happening internally in terms of serious misconduct and fraud

1802
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 26: and corruption. They were just counting small widgets and not

1803
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 26: really having a good hard look and this hasn't ever

1804
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 26: happened in New Zealand before, so this is a this

1805
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 26: is a significant report, okay.

1806
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 2: And so the six agencies that took part. Is it

1807
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: corruption that we're finding within these agencies or is it

1808
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 2: in their interactions with punters out there?

1809
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 26: Well, largely the focus on this was on internal corruption,

1810
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 26: so it was an internal staff issues. So they indicated

1811
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 26: at the end when they had did a review, all

1812
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 26: the agencies had taken part, did a review of the

1813
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 26: actual pilot and said, well, it'd be good now to

1814
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 26: look outwards to our outward facing. That is where they're

1815
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 26: in interactions with a private sector and there's a lot

1816
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 26: of private sector providers running government services now, so that's

1817
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 26: another hugely important area to go into. Of course.

1818
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 2: So what kind of like do we know any of

1819
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 2: the examples of the SFO found.

1820
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 26: No, it would be nice to know that the report's fairly,

1821
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 26: fairly tight on that kind of thing. And I would

1822
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 26: have really liked to have a kind of list, a

1823
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 26: list of what types of misconduct, what types of fraud

1824
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 26: were being and what types of corruption were being had

1825
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 26: been discovered when they did this general check. And I

1826
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 26: think that's something where they when they start to report

1827
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 26: on the major hopefully they are now going to roll

1828
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 26: this out across all the agencies and then they are

1829
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 26: going to actually be able to report on the types

1830
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 26: of fraud and coruption that they are seeing. Yeah, I

1831
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 26: think this type this time being a pilot, I can

1832
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 26: understand them being a bit careful, although I think we

1833
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 26: really could have had a little bit more detail on

1834
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 26: the types.

1835
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 2: Because it sounds like it sounds like it's not just

1836
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 2: all of it was not just our claiming an extra

1837
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: day of per dims. I mean some of it, they

1838
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 2: say is potentially falling within the SFO's remitten quite serious.

1839
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 2: So I mean this, am I wrong to then to

1840
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: make the leap of logic and go, well, if these

1841
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 2: guys go in and they find four hundred and fifty

1842
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: cases we didn't know about, some of which are serious

1843
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: enough for them to actually be looking at, we have

1844
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: a bigger corruption problem in this country than we think.

1845
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 26: Yes, I think it's exactly right. And the fact that

1846
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 26: they didn't necessarily some of the agencies and actually recognize

1847
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 26: that it was corruption, they weren't sure whether it was corruption.

1848
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 26: They went sure that was reportable. So that's a failure

1849
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 26: of a system failure, isn't it of actually not checking,

1850
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 26: not looking, not understanding where the problem lies across the

1851
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 26: whole system?

1852
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 3: Actually?

1853
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 2: Or is it actually that we are so we're so

1854
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: used to some of what we call corruption, like what

1855
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 2: is corruption, that we're actually chill about it.

1856
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 26: I mean, I think there's still a really high expectation

1857
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 26: amongst amongst most New Zealanders that people are not going

1858
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 26: to try to get a special deal or a point

1859
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 26: of person, you know, nepotism or because these are the

1860
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 26: types of corruption you have.

1861
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 2: But then we set it check out in politics all

1862
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: the time. So maybe we go, well, if it's okay

1863
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 2: for old May and that party to hire his son

1864
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 2: in our office, it's okay for blah blah to do

1865
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: it too.

1866
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 26: Well, we're really promoting that, we're begab because he pointed

1867
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 26: this year is to get a lot more transparency into

1868
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 26: the political space. And I think that where you've got

1869
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 26: leadership from the top skimming our actual integrity systems, I

1870
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 26: think that's that's something which really needs you know, we

1871
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 26: need a lobbying register, We need more and more transparency,

1872
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 26: live transparency about who.

1873
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: Brings me to them. Well, Julie, why don't you if

1874
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 2: you see this playing out, and we've had a pretty

1875
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 2: clear example of this recently where where we've had you know,

1876
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 2: family members being being hired on the taxpayer dime, why

1877
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 2: don't you guys call it out and make a point

1878
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,759
Speaker 2: of it, because because the problem is that normal punters

1879
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: look at that and feel completely disheartened by it and

1880
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 2: then think, well, you know, if they can do it,

1881
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: we can do it too. Yeah.

1882
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 26: Well, we don't tend to talk about individual instances where

1883
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 26: they've not gone through the whole court system. That's just

1884
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 26: one of our things we do. We wait to see

1885
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 26: we've had to see it move right through the system,

1886
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 26: and then well then we'll talk about it. But we

1887
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 26: also look at systems rather than individual cases. However, having

1888
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 26: said that, for the last three years, we've done a

1889
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 26: corruption scan that has looked at every single case we

1890
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 26: could see in the coming through the news, coming through

1891
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 26: the websites of the investigative agencies, right across from ComCom

1892
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 26: to registration boards, licensing boards, all of that sort of thing,

1893
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 26: to try to get a sense of what is happening,

1894
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 26: because we could see that something was going awry and

1895
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 26: then we looked also at the corruption cases and we're

1896
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 26: reporting on those today. We will report on them as

1897
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 26: part of the Corruption Perceptions INTEX finding which comes out

1898
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 26: in twenty minutes or so. But that's an important so

1899
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 26: we are we have been doing that and I think

1900
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 26: and then we did our research report saying that there's

1901
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 26: not enough happening in terms of being up to monitor.

1902
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 26: So that's what our contribution is as we do have

1903
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 26: a look at systems and we say this part of

1904
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 26: the system is falling down, pick it up. And we

1905
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 26: made that recommendation twenty twenty four and this is why

1906
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 26: this is happening now. So this is the reason why

1907
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 26: that we've got we've had a strong push in saying well,

1908
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 26: well we're the ones that are going to have to

1909
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 26: do the corruption monitoring nationally. No, it should be happening

1910
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 26: at a national level. July, that's our contribution.

1911
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: Been really interesting to talk to you. Thanks for giving

1912
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: us the time. It's July Haggie, Transparency International New Zealand

1913
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: Executive director, eighteen away from.

1914
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 3: Seven Heather Duplicy Ellen, we.

1915
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 2: Heard of the same red shirting, so red shooting apparent, well, redshooting,

1916
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 2: I think it actually comes from sports somewhere in sports

1917
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: where you basically you've got a budding player and then

1918
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 2: you hold him back a wee bit and kind of

1919
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: develop us. I'm saying him, it could be them, could

1920
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: could be her, whatever, and you develop the skills and

1921
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: then you release them a year later or whatever, and

1922
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: then are really awesome. Red shooting though, in the context

1923
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 2: that I'm using it is deliberately delaying the start of

1924
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: formal schooling for your child by a year, typically to

1925
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 2: avoid them being the youngest in the class, or to

1926
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 2: deliberately let them play a little bit more and have

1927
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: a childhood before they have to sit still in the

1928
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 2: classroom and try to concentrate. Now, why I'm raising redshirting

1929
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: is because it's floating around in social media at the moment,

1930
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: and it's starting to get a little bit of attention

1931
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 2: in the news. The idea appears to be taking off

1932
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 2: a wee bit, Like I don't want to overhype it,

1933
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: but it's taking off a wee bit in the US

1934
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: and Australia. And what they reckon is that the people

1935
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 2: who are into it is that by delaying the schools,

1936
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 2: your child start in school by a year or so,

1937
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: especially for the boys, helps them excel academically and socially,

1938
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: because of course, when you think about it globally, starting

1939
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 2: your schooling at five is really bloody early. My mum

1940
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: was saying to me the other day, and I mean, remember,

1941
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about a completely different generation, like multiple generations

1942
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 2: removed from kids at the moment. But she started school

1943
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: at seven. I started school at six. So starting school

1944
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 2: at five does feel a wee bit early. And countries

1945
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,480
Speaker 2: like Finland they started at seven. Is well, there is, apparently,

1946
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 2: according to the New Zealand Initiative, absolutely no evidence one

1947
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 2: way or the other that starting school early makes your

1948
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Speaker 2: kids smarter or helps them academically, or you know, starting

1949
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Speaker 2: it later helps them. There's no proof, like in the show,

1950
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 2: if you start your boy a year later or whatever,

1951
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 2: there'll be a little spike in the literacy and the numeracy,

1952
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 2: but then it washes out and by the time they're

1953
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Speaker 2: in the teenage years and in high school it really

1954
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 2: doesn't matter anymore. You can't see it. They're basically running

1955
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Speaker 2: with the other kids at the same level. And there's

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Speaker 2: no real data here about how it's like whether people

1957
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: are getting into it. But in Queensland, it's apparently growing.

1958
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: In the space of about ten years from twenty fourteen

1959
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four the red shooting went from four

1960
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Speaker 2: point nine percent to twelve percent, which is more than

1961
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 2: double Which is interesting, isn't It's got an idea in

1962
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 2: my head now. But then you think, well, what are

1963
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Speaker 2: you going to do with them at home for a year?

1964
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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll maybe nah, someone's being paid to do it

1965
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Speaker 2: as you send them in. According to it, We're going

1966
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Speaker 2: to the UK next ever.

1967
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Speaker 1: To do with money matters to you? The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas Insurance and investments, with

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Speaker 1: your futures in good hands us talk, zi'd be hither.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's used to start school at the age of six,

1971
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 2: but it was changed during World War two to five

1972
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 2: to allow more mothers to join the workforce and it

1973
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Speaker 2: was never changed back Barbara's fascinating piece of information, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from seven and into Bradio UK correspondence with

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Speaker 2: us now high.

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Speaker 12: Enda, Heather, great to speak to you again.

1977
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Speaker 2: Right, how did Kyostarma survive?

1978
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Speaker 12: Basically there's no other option and I think the Labor

1979
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 12: Party know that at the moment so he limps on.

1980
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Speaker 12: He came out fighting. He's fighting for his political life.

1981
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Speaker 12: So he gathered the Parliamentary Party together last night, all

1982
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Speaker 12: the MPs, and he said the words I've heard he

1983
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,839
Speaker 12: said were as long as I've got breath in my body,

1984
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Speaker 12: I will fight. I've never walked away for a fight

1985
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 12: and I've never lost a fight. So fighting talk from

1986
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 12: Keir Starmer. But I think the issue for anyone trying

1987
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 12: to replace him is there didn't seemed to be one

1988
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Speaker 12: standout candidate who was strong enough to oust the Prime

1989
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Speaker 12: Minister yesterday, so Britain is left with a bit of

1990
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Speaker 12: a lame duck prime minister. He also lost his head

1991
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Speaker 12: of Comms yesterday who resigned.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so where does it go from here? Is this

1993
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Speaker 2: is the end of it? He carries on, he limped

1994
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Speaker 2: through to the election, or is this something else to

1995
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 2: can so?

1996
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Speaker 12: Would you believe its? The calendar and fate are beautiful.

1997
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 12: Sometimes There's a by election coming up in Gorton, outside

1998
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 12: Manchester on February twenty sixth, and he decided Starmer a

1999
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 12: couple of weeks ago not to allow Andy Burnham, the

2000
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 12: Mayor of Manchester, who is labor through and through to

2001
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Speaker 12: run in that by election because the suspicion was that

2002
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 12: Andy Burnham wanted to get back into Parliament, take over

2003
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 12: Labor and become Prime minister. So Starmer shot that down

2004
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 12: a few weeks ago. Labor are trailing in the polls

2005
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Speaker 12: and I think there will be questions asked if Starmer's

2006
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 12: leadership if Labour now lose that by election, because Burnham

2007
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 12: would have walked it. The narrative seems to be that

2008
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 12: Reform UK Nigel Forage will campaign the hell out of

2009
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 12: that by election, and if Reformer to win that by election,

2010
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Speaker 12: then I think people inside Labor are going to look

2011
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 12: and think, well, hang on, we're going to be toasts

2012
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Speaker 12: soon if we don't get rid of Starmer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he survives, It's basically just he just survives

2014
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Speaker 2: until the next bit of bad news and it circles

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Speaker 2: round again, doesn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yes, until such time as there's a clear kind of

2017
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Speaker 12: alternative option within Labor, And of course the opposition you know,

2018
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Speaker 12: Forage and the Conservatives, they're all making hay out of

2019
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Speaker 12: this big time.

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Speaker 2: Which of the two scenarios is worse for him? Is

2021
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: it worse for him that Burnham wins and then is

2022
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Speaker 2: in there as a clear threat to his leadership or

2023
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,799
Speaker 2: is it worse for him that Burnham loses.

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Speaker 12: I think, look, Burnham's not going to stand in that

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Speaker 12: by election now because he can't right with Labor backing.

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Speaker 12: But I think I think Starmer should have allowed Burnham

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Speaker 12: to stand. And if I had been advising the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 12: I would have said to him, look, come out and

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Speaker 12: say he is Labor through and through. We need the

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Speaker 12: best people in the party and the best people to

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Speaker 12: run this country. And then start talking about the fourteen

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Speaker 12: years of a mess that you inherited as opposed to

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Speaker 12: everyone just looking everywhere and going my god, look at

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01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 12: the potholes everywhere. Can't get a doctor's appointment, hospitals are wrecked.

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Speaker 12: So he needs to reclaim the narrative. But losing his

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Speaker 12: head of Colms yesterday was not good.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: The fact that Charles say is that he is going

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Speaker 2: to support the police. Is this a warning to Andrew?

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Speaker 12: I think this is a major sign that Prince Andrew

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Speaker 12: may well end up getting arrested or spoken to police

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Speaker 12: very shortly. We've never heard language like this from the Palace.

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Speaker 12: This would never have happened when the Queen was alive. Andrew,

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Speaker 12: I think is on a very sticky wicket now, and

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01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,759
Speaker 12: it's nothing to do whatever has allegedly happened with girls,

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01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 12: young girls and young women. This is more to do

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Speaker 12: with the financials of what he has allegedly done and

2049
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 12: the friendship with Epstein. So the very latest thing Andrew

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01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 12: is now being looked at by police. He was Trade

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Speaker 12: Envoy for a few years, flying first class all over

2052
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 12: the world, and Andrew being Andrew, there's a mess in

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01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 12: every country he went to. So what's come out in

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01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 12: the latest batch of the emails, the Epstein files is

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01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 12: that he was forwarding on all this sensitive Within four

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01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 12: minutes of him receiving one email from basically someone working

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01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 12: for the UK government and the Palace, he'd been all

2058
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 12: over Southeast Asia and they forwarded on country reports for investment,

2059
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,799
Speaker 12: the UK assessment of places like Vietnam and other countries

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01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 12: in Southeast Asia, and within four minutes of Andrew receiving

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01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 12: the email, Epstein has it in his inbox. This is

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01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 12: sensitive government information, yea. So he's being looked at for that.

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01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 12: And then of course in the background you have a

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01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 12: second woman coming forward saying she was traffick to windsor

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01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 12: for sex with Andrew windsor Yep.

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Speaker 2: This is getting very very awkward, if it wasn't already

2067
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: very bloody awkward for the royal family in it as

2068
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 2: always so it just goes from beta Wuriz. Really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time, mate in the Brady UK Correspondent. Right now,

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Speaker 2: I eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Top Seel and Drive Full Show podcast

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01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by news dog ZB Heather.

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Speaker 2: It's very frustrating listening tonight. Tonight Economics one oh one

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01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: says that if there is a risk factor included into

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01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 2: our current pricing, this is obviously the price of electricity

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01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 2: or the gas. If there is a risk factor included

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01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: into our current pricing and of certainty of gas, apply

2078
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 2: reduces that risk cost but offset mainly maybe by the

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01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 2: cost to build a gas importation port. It means that

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01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 2: maybe prices won't rise, but businesses reliant on gas gas

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01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,560
Speaker 2: will survive, which is a fair point to make, because

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01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: it would be a fair point to make if any

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01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 2: of the gas in the import facility would be going

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01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 2: directly to direct gas customers, right to people who who

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01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 2: cannot convert to electricity and just use gas. But that

2086
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 2: is not what we understand is happening here. This is

2087
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 2: just for the electricity system. It's not for the guy

2088
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 2: running whatever smelter that needs gas flowing in and can't

2089
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,839
Speaker 2: use electricity because the oven cost too much to convert.

2090
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 2: It's not for that guy. It's just for electricity. And

2091
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 2: by the way, if we're running out of gas in

2092
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 2: this country, then we shouldn't be subsidizing businesses who are

2093
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 2: on gas because they are just going to have to

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01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 2: switch to electricity like everybody and get on with it. Anyway, Listen,

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01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: if you've seen this, do you remember the people who

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01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: found the two hundred thousand dollars excuse me, the two

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01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in their attic when they bought the

2098
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 2: house in christ Huge. I didn't realize that they're in

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01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 2: court at the moment trying to get ahold of the money,

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01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 2: and the cops don't want them to have the money

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01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 2: because proceeds of crime. But I reckon, finger in the air.

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Speaker 2: I reckon the judge is going to give them the

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01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 2: money or some of the money, because, as the judges

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01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 2: pointed out, if they didn't give the money to the Coppers.

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01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 2: The Coppers wouldn't have the money, so maybe they deserve

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01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of something something. So watch that ants.

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Speaker 14: Hotline blowing by Drake to play us out tonight. I'm

2108
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 14: going to tell you a bit about the Drake curse, Heather, Okay.

2109
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 14: So back in twenty sixteen, Drake put sixty thousand US

2110
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Speaker 14: dollars on the Warriors to beat the Cavaliers in the

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Speaker 14: NBA Finals. The Cavaliers won. In twenty twenty two, he

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01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 14: put two million dollars on a Israel at US to

2113
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 14: beat Alex Pereira in the UFC Alex Perera One. Last

2114
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 14: year he managed to lose a million dollars betting on

2115
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 14: the Toronto Maple Leafs, And in last year's Super Bowl

2116
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 14: he lost at least a million dollars betting on the

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Speaker 14: Kansas City Chiefs after they then they went on to

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Speaker 14: lose to the Philadelphia Eagles. Now I'm bringing this up

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Speaker 14: today because yesterday we saw the Seattle Seahawks beat the

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Speaker 14: New England Patriots. So if you had to guess which

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01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 14: team Drake had bet a million dollars on here though,

2122
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 14: which one do you think it was?

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Speaker 2: The Seahawks?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 14: It was the Patriots again. It is the Drake curse.

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Speaker 14: So he's like Jason Pine. He has, if anything, at

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01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 14: worse record than Jason Pine. So there you go, ra eighteen.

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Speaker 14: Bet responsibly or if your drake possibly, don't bet at all.

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Speaker 2: He's like Jason Pine with money. That's the problem. All right,

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Speaker 2: thank you, answer right, you have a lovely evening. We'll

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Speaker 2: see tomorrow. News Talks been.

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Speaker 1: Taking on me one day ever since I left the city.

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Speaker 3: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to

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Speaker 3: News Talks.

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