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<v Speaker 2>And a very good afternoon too. I'm Tim Beveridge. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the Weekend Collective for Saturday, the eighth of March

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. I think actually that means we're into autumn.

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<v Speaker 2>But I go with the geological or the geographical orderm

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, it's it's getting cooler, and thank goodness it's

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<v Speaker 2>cooled down because Auckland has been fairly fairly warm lately. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>dot nz. Coming up on today's show in just a

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<v Speaker 2>moment the panel with my as always mildly esteemed panelists,

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<v Speaker 2>and after four for the one roof radio show, we

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<v Speaker 2>have a new guest. It's Mike Atkinson. He's a property

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<v Speaker 2>management from a property management company called ASPI Property Management,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk about who's got the power.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably there is a subtle theme for a musical introduction,

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't it Tenants and landlords? Is the balance slanted

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<v Speaker 2>one way or the other. We're gonna have a chat

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<v Speaker 2>about just managing that relationship as well, and what are

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<v Speaker 2>the most common issues for landlords that they that people

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<v Speaker 2>are presented with commonly. And after five for the parents squad,

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<v Speaker 2>Google Sutherland about whether you have to treat your kids equally?

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<v Speaker 2>But what does that mean? Because kids are different, they

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<v Speaker 2>all have different needs. So we're gonna have a chat

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<v Speaker 2>about We're drill into that a bit. And before six

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<v Speaker 2>will rap sports with News Talks AB sports journalist Elijah

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<v Speaker 2>far a few who will join us. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend Collective. It is eight minutes past three.

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<v Speaker 1>Insightful, entertaining at all old points. Tim Beveridge on the

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<v Speaker 1>Weekend Collective News Talks B.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got some new stings anyway, let's get into its

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<v Speaker 2>time for our panel in no particular order. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna say something very cheeky, but I think I

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<v Speaker 2>might not because it should probably hand it back to

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<v Speaker 2>me on a plate and her name is Hannah Burns

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<v Speaker 2>Francis journalists and presenter and mum. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you going to say?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I had an introduction which was groomed for some

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<v Speaker 2>previously older panelists. I deleted it. I can't older panelists

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<v Speaker 2>last weekend. Oh they were older. And I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, it's a battle of the silver Foxes. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I suddenly realized, no, it's not. Back the truck up

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<v Speaker 2>and shovel back to the other guy anyway, and that

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<v Speaker 2>familiar voice you will hear in the background. He's sporting

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<v Speaker 2>a war wound. But I feel the need that I

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<v Speaker 2>have to go, and I'm gonna have to peel it

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<v Speaker 2>back just to see if it's legit or he just

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<v Speaker 2>likes to put a bandage on every heading in to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that he's on the tools. The resident build a

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<v Speaker 2>Pete wolf Camp. Hi Pete, how are you good?

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. Thank you? Have you been? Have you been

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<v Speaker 2>on the tools?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I have?

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<v Speaker 5>And they back and that's the end of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Still got all his fingers.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody, Yeah, thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Actually, have you ever had a moment where you

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<v Speaker 2>must have I guess in a career as long as well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's not ever play the length because you're still a

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<v Speaker 2>youngish guy. Ah'ish, that's kind of anyway, Beep. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever had a moment where you thought, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>just as well? I blinked then, because that was what was.

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<v Speaker 5>It actually using a skill saw on a weekend project.

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<v Speaker 3>That I'm a bit squeamish just right?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that mean that you might get a bit nauseous?

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<v Speaker 3>It just means I'm yeah, I'm going to feel Really, it.

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<v Speaker 5>Was occasionally don't talk about as well about are you

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<v Speaker 5>okay with blood? And I went, yeah, I'm okay with blood? Yeah, no, Look,

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<v Speaker 5>it was just just that classic moment. And we've all

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<v Speaker 5>been there where a moment's in attention, working casually on

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<v Speaker 5>a Saturday afternoon using power tools at home and just

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<v Speaker 5>about to off.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, the reason I mentioned that, sorry, Anna, that was

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<v Speaker 2>enough for Anna? Just about Rody, have we got known details?

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<v Speaker 2>But actually the reason I did ask you the reason

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<v Speaker 2>because I raised it. I thought, you know what, if

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<v Speaker 2>there's half a dozen trades who are listening to that, going,

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<v Speaker 2>goodness me, you know what, there's a couple of things

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting a bit slack on. We might have saved

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<v Speaker 2>someone a tow, so that's why I carried on with that. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>good to see Yes, good to see you to.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone from ACC will be wiping their brow in this

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<v Speaker 3>very moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done them a service. They will send them a bill.

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<v Speaker 5>Now we use power tools.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, first thing, Adriana will it was a shock resignation.

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<v Speaker 2>It does feel that we haven't been really told the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't really commented too much. They put up the

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<v Speaker 2>chair Neil Quigley who spoke to the media, and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really make us any wiser. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say anything cruel, so I'll leave it to you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not sure he goes down as one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greats as a Reserve Bank governor.

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<v Speaker 3>And Anna, look, I will be honest. I missed a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of his term, obviously being out of the country

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the COVID period, where a lot of the criticism

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<v Speaker 3>has come from how he handled it. If you look

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<v Speaker 3>now where we're at, there is no argument he has

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<v Speaker 3>met the mandate and got inflation back down and under control,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have economic stability. I appreciate there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of criticism from a time when I wasn't watching as

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<v Speaker 3>closely as other people. What I do think is what

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<v Speaker 3>was going on when he quit, because you know, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>looked pretty surprised. But are we owed to answer?

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you have been a civil servant at

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<v Speaker 2>the Governor of the Reserve Bank, making about eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a year, and your tenure has seen people

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of your overreaction to extend all these

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<v Speaker 2>monetary policies, so you ended up having to well, sure

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<v Speaker 2>he's got inflation under control, but how many people have

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<v Speaker 2>lost their jobs and how many people are screwed because

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<v Speaker 2>they overinvested with cheap money and all that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It just sounds like you want an apology, though.

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<v Speaker 2>No I want to. I just want to know where

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone. I think it's I think just I think

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<v Speaker 2>you owe an explanation that would as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget the apologies. I mean, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not going to get them, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>very clear from the way that this has played out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean to your comment, and in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's got the inflation down and all of those sorts

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<v Speaker 5>of things are all coming right, But that's like being

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<v Speaker 5>praised for putting out the fire that you started, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm a little bit perplexed on it in the

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<v Speaker 5>sense that does he you know, as a as an individual,

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<v Speaker 5>do you have a right to privacy? And if you

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<v Speaker 5>decide that your employment no longer suits you and you go,

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<v Speaker 5>is that anyone's business other than your own? Except for

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<v Speaker 5>the fact, as you say, is that you know he's

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<v Speaker 5>he's on a healthy salary. It's a really important role.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an important role, not just you know, for our

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<v Speaker 5>position globally as well. You know, people look and go, well,

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<v Speaker 5>hang on, if you reserve being top boss just takes off.

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<v Speaker 5>What does that say about.

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<v Speaker 2>You're run in process? If he goes to a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>leave him alone, let him, let him let's not publicize

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<v Speaker 2>which your brand of you know, of serving on Blonkie

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<v Speaker 2>likes or whatever, all that privacy fine, But he's left

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<v Speaker 2>his public job, I think, And he doesn't have to, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that he does.

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<v Speaker 3>But if his explanation is I don't agree with the

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<v Speaker 3>direction of the government, then that is clear anyway from

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<v Speaker 3>the way that he has acted and in that case,

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<v Speaker 3>good on him for resigning. He doesn't want to follow

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<v Speaker 3>that mandate any further.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you give an explanation if you were were you leaving,

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<v Speaker 2>If you were leaving, you to say, listen, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the reasons I'm going bullet point, bullet point,

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<v Speaker 2>bullet point goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>I would I'm going to be very careful with how

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<v Speaker 3>I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, And.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think that it's it's very easy to

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<v Speaker 3>see sometimes that there are difficult situations where you have

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<v Speaker 3>to be careful about how much you publicly state about

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<v Speaker 3>what goes on behind closed doors. At the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the day, the Reserve Bank has a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff happening that you know, I'm not going to understand.

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<v Speaker 3>But also that private discussions between the Finance Minister and

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<v Speaker 3>Treasury and there are obviously disagreements there about how the

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<v Speaker 3>bank is funded and what that money is being used for.

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<v Speaker 2>Nikola Willis didn't exactly. She didn't send him on his

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<v Speaker 2>way on a sort of sleigh ride with flowers and snowflakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Did She was like, I wish him well.

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<v Speaker 5>But remember the protest from National when he was reappointed

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<v Speaker 5>to the role just prior to the election as well,

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<v Speaker 5>so they're not at all unhappy that he's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect I wonder who they're going to get for

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<v Speaker 2>the next run. It'll be someone probably I haven't heard of,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't really speculate any further comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, I did a quick google of the top contenders,

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<v Speaker 3>and I couldn't tell you that I knew of any

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<v Speaker 3>of them. To mind, I couldn't picture what they looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was.

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose an out of the box was appointed to

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<v Speaker 5>the role, given he had so much of a public

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<v Speaker 5>profile when he's running super Fund. Yeah, so maybe he'll

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<v Speaker 5>go back to super fund of some description around the world,

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<v Speaker 5>hedge fund somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think all said he sort of presided of

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<v Speaker 2>an era where they did have a couple of two

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<v Speaker 2>or three board members who are appointed to the board

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<v Speaker 2>of the Reserve Bank who didn't seem to really be

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<v Speaker 2>particularly qualified on the business that the Reserve Bank participates in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth reading Michael Riddell's blog about that a while

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<v Speaker 2>ago on his blog Croaking Cassandra. Don't know where where

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<v Speaker 2>does that come from? Croaking Cassandra. Anyway, if you're curious

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<v Speaker 2>and you're listening, Go and check it out. Now this

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<v Speaker 2>one Winston Peters has introduced, you have new appointments. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, this is not slated for conversation for day today,

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<v Speaker 2>But every time I think of Winston, I'm just dying

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<v Speaker 2>to know if he's going to do that. He's very

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<v Speaker 2>bullish about that very deal, isn't he that he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to save the taxpayer billions? Very bullish.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so confused about it. Has it's cost us five hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's going to cost another three hundred or do

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<v Speaker 3>we make three hundred back and now we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>spend So.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I think I think the win will be if

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<v Speaker 2>he does a deal which doesn't entail him to spend

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<v Speaker 2>other couple of billion dollars and infrastructures. But he's introduced

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<v Speaker 2>an anti DEI bill which does sound a little fairly

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<v Speaker 2>echo wish of what's being laid down by Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, and with his henchman. Can I call

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<v Speaker 2>him a Elon Musk anyway? But yeah, it's he's proposed

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<v Speaker 2>legislation to get to rid diversity equity inclusion regulation from

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<v Speaker 2>the public service. Hmm, what do you make of it? Pete?

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<v Speaker 5>What does that look like anyway, Like now, that is such.

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<v Speaker 3>A great question. I went lost Secretary of Defense as

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<v Speaker 3>a white guy in New Zealand. The head of the

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<v Speaker 3>spy agency, the GCSB, is a white guy. The head

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<v Speaker 3>of the Ministry of Justice is a white guy. The

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<v Speaker 3>CEO of the Ministry of Corrections, it's a white guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's that guy. I think it's about policies

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<v Speaker 2>are there. I didn't even know we had it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about how we employ these people and whether we

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<v Speaker 3>should be looking at diversity and equity and inclusion in them.

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<v Speaker 3>Reserve Bank and he's gone, but he's being replaced by

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<v Speaker 3>another white guy public Service commissioner that considers de I

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<v Speaker 3>he's also a white guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, who are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>You complaining about it?

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<v Speaker 5>It's obviously not top of the tree, right, It's it's

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<v Speaker 5>those departments. Do they actively go out and seek someone

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<v Speaker 5>who fits that criteria that they are not mainstream? They're

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<v Speaker 5>not like me, male, pale and stale.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But where is the problem, because I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>it's I wonder, Yeah, I think this is just noise.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just actually, isn't it a Private member's bill? I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's been pulled out and will let's see the

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<v Speaker 2>light of day. I don't know. It's possibly more interesting

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<v Speaker 2>than Labor Labour's Sha shadow Cabinet research, although isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>What were you going to say? Let's move on de

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<v Speaker 2>I well, okay, so Barbara Edmunds will become the spokesperson

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<v Speaker 2>for Savings and Investment. I mean I can barely get

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<v Speaker 2>through introducing this without falling asleep though, because new jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, come on, what are they doing?

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<v Speaker 2>What are they doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Are they?

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<v Speaker 3>What are they?

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<v Speaker 5>Seriously is why has jen Tointi being sacked?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, of course, I think that up against she's

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<v Speaker 2>not got a great trick right now, no exactly spend

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<v Speaker 2>questions publicly, but I got the sense that up against

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<v Speaker 2>Erica Stanford she was getting probably she was on a

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<v Speaker 2>hiding to nothing from a minister who does seem probably

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<v Speaker 2>one of the more passionate and motivated ministers in her portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think jan to Netti was just probably not

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<v Speaker 2>cutting the mustard. They're looking to put someone else up as.

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<v Speaker 3>A have they got the answer?

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<v Speaker 2>Jean Willow Prime, who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>I genuinely could not tell you the last time I

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<v Speaker 3>saw her come out fighting, you know, and none of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I believe that both sides of a parliament

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<v Speaker 3>should have really vocal discourse. They should be engaging with

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<v Speaker 3>each other. There should be You need a healthy opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter who it is, and I think the National

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<v Speaker 3>Party did a great job of being a healthy opposition

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<v Speaker 3>last time and I'm bitterly disappointed that we do not

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<v Speaker 3>have that at the moment. It's boring and it also

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<v Speaker 3>just I think is not representative of a democracy, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>when we have MMP. You know, we are very fairly

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<v Speaker 3>split as a country. I have centrist governments.

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<v Speaker 2>I think do we hear we hear more from the

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<v Speaker 2>Greens and the Marray Party and Chris Hipkins. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>we have the Greens and I mean, regardless whether they

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<v Speaker 2>say few funny things or not, we have the Maray

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<v Speaker 2>Party and then we have Chris Hipkins. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>that that's the opposition benches. What do you think, Pete.

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<v Speaker 5>Well in terms of that, and also if you look

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<v Speaker 5>at New Zealand, first you've really got two people and

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<v Speaker 5>the rest of them don't say a word exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were watching, they might be outraged. But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of who's making it who.

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<v Speaker 3>Else is the other than Shane Jones and Winston Peters.

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<v Speaker 5>To be fair, I was in an event it was

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<v Speaker 5>about housing couple just prior to the election, and they

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<v Speaker 5>had a representative from each of the main parties, including

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<v Speaker 5>New Zealand First and I say, I'm police have on

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<v Speaker 5>ever heard them speak again, So it was terrible. It

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<v Speaker 5>was just appalling, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be fair, you know, when it comes to politics in general,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that for most kiwi's they know a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of names, and it's usually the government ministers because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can I look back at any government. If somebody says,

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<v Speaker 2>name four ministers in the last government, I'd probably stumble

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<v Speaker 2>around for a bit because you know, And maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>just the way it works, is that the public's appetitle

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<v Speaker 2>memory for absorbing all these different spokespeople for labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's just maybe it's it's a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>prime minister's name wrong. And I think the last three

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<v Speaker 3>we've had Christopher Luxton just center and John Keyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually funny thing just.

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<v Speaker 3>To think that the bar is pretty low.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, there was a funny note in Mike's show the

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<v Speaker 2>other day. I heard Winston was chatting to him and

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<v Speaker 2>he called him mister Hoskin consistently and at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and I noticed at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did laugh quite hard, Chris Mike says to Glean, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you noticed something there, hedn't. He's finally dropped the s

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, I don't know what that was.

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<v Speaker 3>He couldn't remember the mic.

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<v Speaker 2>That might have been it. Hey, look, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a moment. This is the panel on the Weekend

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<v Speaker 2>Collective with Anna Burns, Francis and Pete wolf Camp. Phil

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<v Speaker 2>Goff's being sacked. That's next. It's twenty one and a

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<v Speaker 2>half minutes past three.

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<v Speaker 6>Having to have the words to.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tim Beverage and Anna Burns, Francis and Pete wolf

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<v Speaker 2>Camp are my panelists. Now moving on. I did sort

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<v Speaker 2>of feel sorry for Phil Goff because, especially given that

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<v Speaker 2>the remarks he made which got him sacked were literally

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<v Speaker 2>made in the Chathamhouse. And there's an expression in journalism

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<v Speaker 2>politics whatever Chathamhouse rules means, you don't know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go any further than these four walls.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally is chattermouse and and he's asked the questions suggesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Never trust anybody under Chatham House rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean there's a video camera there as well.

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<v Speaker 5>He's going to say about the streaming, but which he

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<v Speaker 5>must have known was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it wasn't something hiding behind someone's jacket, was it.

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<v Speaker 2>But what did you make of it? Anna?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Phil Goff has every right to feel he's

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<v Speaker 3>had a bit of a rough ride. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>just one of those things where you said it it

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<v Speaker 3>was the wrong place at the wrong time. This was

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<v Speaker 3>a dinner party with six people in your own home

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<v Speaker 3>and you are having an informal chat about politicians. My guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Say whatever you like about him, but we are in

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<v Speaker 3>a period of time where we have to play our

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<v Speaker 3>cards so carefully and he's just just don't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You just do not want the attention of someone who

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<v Speaker 3>is so and I mean Donald Trump vindictive and vitriolic

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<v Speaker 3>and bombastic and unstable. His leadership style is to be unpredictable,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is that that means that the place for

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<v Speaker 3>us to be is in the shadows. If we can

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<v Speaker 3>get through the next four years without talking to Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump trating ay phone call of any kind, we're good and.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't put the context of those on this because

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<v Speaker 2>for those who haven't heard that, basically, he publicly questioned

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<v Speaker 2>at Chatham House semi publicly US President Donald Trump understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of history at an event, and also he was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to some other politicians. It was an international sort of event,

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<v Speaker 2>And what did you make of it? Pete? I think

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<v Speaker 2>he had to go.

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<v Speaker 5>To be fair. Prior to him making that comment, I

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<v Speaker 5>was amazed that no one had used exactly that allegory,

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<v Speaker 5>let's say, to describe what's going on at the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>So if America is talking about peace and it involves

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<v Speaker 5>Russians who are already hundreds of kilometers into someone else's country,

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<v Speaker 5>that's not dissimilar to discussions in nineteen thirty eight. If

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<v Speaker 5>Germany's already taken you know, Austria and then taken part

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<v Speaker 5>of the Sedate and land, taken part of Poland, and

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<v Speaker 5>then we're talking about peace, that's not peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so right, the problem was he's right, he said it,

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<v Speaker 3>he just can't and the job title that he said

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<v Speaker 3>it in is just not the format of that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe if we were a particularly antagonistic government and could

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<v Speaker 3>stand up to them, sure be my guest. We can

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<v Speaker 3>say comments like that, but that is not the position

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<v Speaker 3>we have.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is Gosh. He is the government's spokesperson in London.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's not there because he's filled goth X leader

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<v Speaker 2>of you know x ex leader of the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>He's there because he is our he's our man in London.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually did detect from Winston that Winston really didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do he really he's got I think. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that Winston when he was describing about how unpleasant

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<v Speaker 2>it was, he said, I rather not have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it because he's worked with GoF Goss not an unpleasant person.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a guy and he's a fairly safe pair of hands.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Other than this, what else.

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to happen? You know, got to say, you just.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to put a seal around it.

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<v Speaker 2>If Winston's listening, I'm available to do the High Commissioners.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine you are too, Pete, and I like where

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<v Speaker 2>you split the role three ways. Got to say that

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<v Speaker 2>is apparently the sweetest job in post politics.

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<v Speaker 3>There offices New Zealand House. I think when the Queen

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<v Speaker 3>died pretty nice. A little bit of work on the

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<v Speaker 3>walls right in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had dinner at the I had dinner with was

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<v Speaker 2>back when Paul East was the High Commissioner. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had dinner with Prince. I've mentioned this before. I liked

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<v Speaker 2>to because people.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you Prince, Well, we're all interested.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Prince Edward and his wife and since Zan

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<v Speaker 2>Brook and Anitha McNaught, the former journalist, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually my My family teased me because I like to

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<v Speaker 2>ask what I think, just blunt, honest, simplest, maybe simplistic questions.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just asked Edward what he was doing. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing with your days right now? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as a member of the royal family.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you just spending your millions?

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<v Speaker 2>But but he was working on because he loves the

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<v Speaker 2>film industry and he was working on it. And he

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<v Speaker 2>told me about a film project and I said, so,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, what did you do yesterday or something? And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I had a and this was the he said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a family barbecue. I'm thinking that's the royal family.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh, what's the vibe? Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't be what I asked him about it, But

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<v Speaker 2>he told me how it's difficult to get near the

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<v Speaker 2>barbecue because he said on my dad likes to dominate

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<v Speaker 2>the barbecue, and I was thinking, that's the Duke of Edinburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he mentioned something else, that's the queen. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was funny to be talking about someone's folks and realizing,

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<v Speaker 2>when St.

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<v Speaker 3>Peters is listening to this, you've definitely talked yourself out

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<v Speaker 3>of the job.

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<v Speaker 7>Loose chefs, I think actually, I don't think there were

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<v Speaker 7>any particular rules about that, but talking about who manned

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<v Speaker 7>the barbecue, I just thought it was particularly quaint.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought i'd share that with you. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Phil is a lovely story.

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<v Speaker 5>What he's going to do now, Phil Edward Phil Phil's

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<v Speaker 5>got to be seventy. Oh, I don't know, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>think so, because he was he's at university with my

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<v Speaker 5>brother or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyway on too. Of course, the reason that phil

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<v Speaker 2>Goffs were a sack of offense was because they were

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<v Speaker 2>means where he questioned whether the US president had any

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of history. I mean, I could ask you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you're safe to comment on that. But of course we

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<v Speaker 2>get onto the whole thing of the trade war that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be on again, on again, slightly off again.

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<v Speaker 2>Canada are leaving their tariff, their retaliatory tariffs on until

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<v Speaker 2>you know, systems normal again, and it does look like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to get pretty ugly. What do you reckon, Anna?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I don't Where do we begin? Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>Well back in twenty eighteen when Trump started this the

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<v Speaker 3>first time round. I mean, this is the way he negotiates.

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<v Speaker 3>He uses tariff's as a means to get what he wants,

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't really matter if that is a trade

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<v Speaker 3>discussion or ending a war, you know, making Ukraine hand

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<v Speaker 3>over all the rights to their minerals and making money

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<v Speaker 3>from it. He will just use tariffs to get what

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<v Speaker 3>he wants. Which is also a very good case for

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<v Speaker 3>why we should stay very quiet and under the radar

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<v Speaker 3>for a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Because there for the burgers.

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<v Speaker 3>And also if you think that this is just a

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump thing, you know, remember when it comes to

0:22:04.721 --> 0:22:07.721
<v Speaker 3>a place like China, the Biden administration kept the tariffs

0:22:07.721 --> 0:22:09.361
<v Speaker 3>in place. They don't just go away.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess it's, you know, the backdrop of it's

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<v Speaker 2>just how you treat your friends. I mean I think

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<v Speaker 2>I look at you know, them shoving all those tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>on Canada. Actually they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not friends with other countries. They are isolationists their path.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems that the last week or two or

0:22:30.521 --> 0:22:33.721
<v Speaker 2>three or four of his leadership actually he's going out

0:22:33.761 --> 0:22:35.321
<v Speaker 2>with the sort of bang in a way, because.

0:22:36.441 --> 0:22:39.961
<v Speaker 5>As you know, he's got nothing left to lose, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think he wants the I don't think he

0:22:42.081 --> 0:22:44.281
<v Speaker 2>wants to sink his own ship though, but I mean

0:22:44.361 --> 0:22:47.681
<v Speaker 2>he's he's demonstrated a sort of strength and his rhetoric

0:22:47.921 --> 0:22:50.321
<v Speaker 2>and discussions around Donald Trump saying, look, you know, even

0:22:50.321 --> 0:22:53.001
<v Speaker 2>the equating the Wall Street Journal. You know you're a

0:22:53.081 --> 0:22:54.961
<v Speaker 2>very smart guy, Donald, but this is a very dumb

0:22:55.081 --> 0:22:59.841
<v Speaker 2>thing to do. Apparently their recent conversation wasn't particularly great.

0:22:59.921 --> 0:23:03.401
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, Canada is a massive trading part I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're their biggest customer on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But haven't they relaxed the car tariffs for like the

0:23:08.321 --> 0:23:10.041
<v Speaker 3>next month or so something like that?

0:23:10.201 --> 0:23:12.561
<v Speaker 2>Well, the car ones, because that's in self interest. But

0:23:12.601 --> 0:23:15.441
<v Speaker 2>as Trudeau is saying, I'm sorry, until it's back to normal,

0:23:15.481 --> 0:23:17.161
<v Speaker 2>we're keeping ours on And I think he's right to

0:23:17.201 --> 0:23:17.401
<v Speaker 2>do it.

0:23:17.441 --> 0:23:19.881
<v Speaker 3>But you've got to think at some point that American

0:23:19.961 --> 0:23:23.401
<v Speaker 3>businesses were a substantial number of which will be Republican

0:23:23.481 --> 0:23:27.601
<v Speaker 3>Party supporters and donors. This will hurt them. Tariffs do

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<v Speaker 3>end up being passed on, that the cost does get

0:23:30.401 --> 0:23:32.921
<v Speaker 3>passed on and there will be a squeeze at some

0:23:33.001 --> 0:23:35.321
<v Speaker 3>point where they turn around and go, this is not

0:23:35.441 --> 0:23:38.401
<v Speaker 3>working for us. So I just don't quite know what

0:23:38.401 --> 0:23:40.081
<v Speaker 3>what he's gunning for at this point.

0:23:40.841 --> 0:23:43.121
<v Speaker 2>It just sounds I mean, do.

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<v Speaker 3>We really think it's venting all over the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it's not. I mean Trudeau say it's worth

0:23:48.961 --> 0:23:51.801
<v Speaker 2>responsible for one percent of the fent knelts going over

0:23:51.841 --> 0:23:53.521
<v Speaker 2>the border to the to the States.

0:23:53.601 --> 0:23:56.161
<v Speaker 3>It's like all that, you know, mass deportations, and he

0:23:56.281 --> 0:23:59.041
<v Speaker 3>was doing like one tenth of what Biden was shipping

0:23:59.081 --> 0:24:01.201
<v Speaker 3>out of the country the week before. It's just noise.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course I love the fact that second hand

0:24:03.961 --> 0:24:07.921
<v Speaker 2>tesla's a flooding the market. I think Germany. I think

0:24:07.961 --> 0:24:10.641
<v Speaker 2>that in Germany the sort of tesla sales are down

0:24:10.721 --> 0:24:12.081
<v Speaker 2>around seventy percent or something.

0:24:12.281 --> 0:24:13.761
<v Speaker 3>We want to buy one of those because they can

0:24:13.801 --> 0:24:15.841
<v Speaker 3>lock a lot of features on them, can't they, So

0:24:15.881 --> 0:24:19.361
<v Speaker 3>that if you are the new purchaser and you haven't

0:24:19.361 --> 0:24:22.161
<v Speaker 3>paid the subscription, or you don't want that frendcheet, they

0:24:22.161 --> 0:24:25.201
<v Speaker 3>can lock your out of it to an extent.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your take on how I mean he's apparently he's

0:24:29.401 --> 0:24:33.161
<v Speaker 2>recently threatened sanctions against Russia. But that's the first negative

0:24:33.161 --> 0:24:35.041
<v Speaker 2>thing I heard him say against Russia. But he seems

0:24:35.081 --> 0:24:40.441
<v Speaker 2>to be treating Vladimir Zelensky like he's a distressed sell

0:24:40.481 --> 0:24:44.441
<v Speaker 2>of real estate and one to be absolutely sat on.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he can, because Vladimir Zelensky is a distressed piece

0:24:48.761 --> 0:24:52.321
<v Speaker 3>of real estate. He really needs help. He is definitely

0:24:52.721 --> 0:24:54.201
<v Speaker 3>going to be up against it if he doesn't have

0:24:54.321 --> 0:24:57.601
<v Speaker 3>American support. Europe does not have the resources or the

0:24:57.641 --> 0:25:01.441
<v Speaker 3>money to jump in immediately and supply what America was supplying.

0:25:01.681 --> 0:25:05.601
<v Speaker 3>And so this is Trump's way of get one over

0:25:05.641 --> 0:25:07.161
<v Speaker 3>on someone. It's an easy one.

0:25:07.681 --> 0:25:09.601
<v Speaker 2>What's the point in getting one over on him? Is

0:25:09.601 --> 0:25:10.041
<v Speaker 2>he just mean?

0:25:10.081 --> 0:25:12.961
<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump does not like being in war. He doesn't

0:25:13.121 --> 0:25:17.161
<v Speaker 3>like being a president that is contributing to conflicts. You know,

0:25:17.201 --> 0:25:19.801
<v Speaker 3>he was desperate to get out of Afghanistan. That was

0:25:19.841 --> 0:25:21.841
<v Speaker 3>a huge line in the lead up to the last

0:25:22.201 --> 0:25:24.241
<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty election. You know, I'm the only president

0:25:24.281 --> 0:25:27.161
<v Speaker 3>who has never started a war, you know, so this

0:25:27.241 --> 0:25:30.481
<v Speaker 3>is and he has that isolationist perspective. He is not

0:25:30.641 --> 0:25:32.961
<v Speaker 3>here to be a global player. He's here to dominate

0:25:33.001 --> 0:25:33.721
<v Speaker 3>everybody else.

0:25:34.121 --> 0:25:36.281
<v Speaker 5>But it's that withdrawal from the world, you know, it's

0:25:36.401 --> 0:25:38.321
<v Speaker 5>role they've held for so long. And I've been listening

0:25:38.361 --> 0:25:41.521
<v Speaker 5>to some podcasts recently from people who work like an AID,

0:25:42.121 --> 0:25:46.121
<v Speaker 5>and they're going the impact that that whole USA, that's it,

0:25:46.201 --> 0:25:49.441
<v Speaker 5>We're finished, right, We're not interested anymore. And there's clinics

0:25:49.601 --> 0:25:53.441
<v Speaker 5>and organizations and hospitals and that all around the world

0:25:53.481 --> 0:25:55.241
<v Speaker 5>where people are just going home. They're just locking the

0:25:55.241 --> 0:25:59.201
<v Speaker 5>door and going home. The impact is just devastating.

0:25:59.281 --> 0:26:01.081
<v Speaker 3>And I think a lot of people and you know,

0:26:01.241 --> 0:26:06.041
<v Speaker 3>maybe if you come from I won't say Albuquerque, New Mexico,

0:26:06.041 --> 0:26:08.001
<v Speaker 3>because you see the border right there. But you know,

0:26:08.041 --> 0:26:09.961
<v Speaker 3>there are parts of the Midwest where you do not

0:26:10.121 --> 0:26:13.241
<v Speaker 3>meet many migrants who've crossed the border or flown in,

0:26:13.841 --> 0:26:16.881
<v Speaker 3>and you don't realize that actually on each coast, a

0:26:16.921 --> 0:26:20.121
<v Speaker 3>lot of the doctors and surgeons who are in your

0:26:20.121 --> 0:26:23.761
<v Speaker 3>hospitals came to America from another country or that came

0:26:23.801 --> 0:26:27.361
<v Speaker 3>from Africa and came legally and trained and now work

0:26:27.361 --> 0:26:30.281
<v Speaker 3>in your hospitals, or your engineers that work at your

0:26:30.281 --> 0:26:33.761
<v Speaker 3>beloved x or at Facebook all come from, you know,

0:26:33.841 --> 0:26:36.481
<v Speaker 3>places like India. You know, there's a lot of migration

0:26:36.521 --> 0:26:38.921
<v Speaker 3>in America that people don't understand as to their benefit.

0:26:39.001 --> 0:26:41.961
<v Speaker 3>They just think of everyone crossing the dairy and gap

0:26:41.961 --> 0:26:43.361
<v Speaker 3>and cleaning a toilet in Florida.

0:26:43.441 --> 0:26:45.321
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, a week has a long time in politics, isn't

0:26:45.361 --> 0:26:48.441
<v Speaker 2>it again. I don't want to keep quoting from another show,

0:26:48.441 --> 0:26:52.041
<v Speaker 2>but Hosking had a correspondent from Kiev. There's an English

0:26:52.121 --> 0:26:55.161
<v Speaker 2>journalist called Jimmy Rushton who did make the point because

0:26:55.241 --> 0:26:57.201
<v Speaker 2>at the moment, a lot of the political rhetoric coming

0:26:57.201 --> 0:26:59.241
<v Speaker 2>from the White House is like, oh, this ward had

0:26:59.241 --> 0:27:00.921
<v Speaker 2>been over in two weeks, if I hadn't been us,

0:27:01.001 --> 0:27:03.521
<v Speaker 2>or if we hadn't been in there. But as this guy,

0:27:04.281 --> 0:27:06.961
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Rushing was his name, he said, he said, look,

0:27:07.241 --> 0:27:10.881
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Russia's troops are looking increasingly ragged as well.

0:27:10.961 --> 0:27:14.841
<v Speaker 2>They've been at war for three years.

0:27:13.081 --> 0:27:16.041
<v Speaker 3>And sorry because they're North Korean and they haven't also

0:27:16.121 --> 0:27:18.681
<v Speaker 3>been needing very much service.

0:27:18.721 --> 0:27:21.361
<v Speaker 2>But the point is it's not like they're this overwhelming

0:27:21.361 --> 0:27:24.121
<v Speaker 2>military power that's swept through the Ukraine. They have fought

0:27:24.121 --> 0:27:26.361
<v Speaker 2>for three years and they've captured, you know, a few

0:27:26.361 --> 0:27:30.001
<v Speaker 2>thousand square kilometers at the cost of however, many lives,

0:27:30.001 --> 0:27:33.241
<v Speaker 2>and the idea that it's all that Ukraine, some somehow,

0:27:33.281 --> 0:27:35.641
<v Speaker 2>some helpless little kitten, is, you know, with the most

0:27:35.761 --> 0:27:39.041
<v Speaker 2>battle hardened troops. I think in Europe, I think that

0:27:39.401 --> 0:27:41.361
<v Speaker 2>I think people are making mistake thinking that they're just

0:27:41.401 --> 0:27:44.041
<v Speaker 2>bunnies in their headlight. Of course, I mean Trump pulling

0:27:44.081 --> 0:27:46.121
<v Speaker 2>the security once.

0:27:45.961 --> 0:27:49.041
<v Speaker 5>He pulled the sharing the intelligence, the intelligence.

0:27:49.081 --> 0:27:52.521
<v Speaker 2>I just think I can't use the language I want

0:27:52.561 --> 0:27:54.481
<v Speaker 2>to use to sum them up because it's a three

0:27:54.641 --> 0:27:55.561
<v Speaker 2>thirty in the afternoon.

0:27:55.561 --> 0:27:58.281
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean the issue is it's a ship

0:27:58.321 --> 0:28:01.881
<v Speaker 3>fight between both sides. But Ukraine is relying on external

0:28:01.921 --> 0:28:04.401
<v Speaker 3>allies for help and so is Russia, and Russia is

0:28:04.441 --> 0:28:06.481
<v Speaker 3>not about to lose. It's our allies in Ukraine, is

0:28:06.561 --> 0:28:07.321
<v Speaker 3>it's biggest one?

0:28:08.001 --> 0:28:11.121
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the only positive thing that can be

0:28:11.161 --> 0:28:12.841
<v Speaker 2>said to it is that there didn't seem to be

0:28:12.841 --> 0:28:15.241
<v Speaker 2>an end in sight under Biden. Did there It looked

0:28:15.281 --> 0:28:17.601
<v Speaker 2>like it was this will give them just enough to

0:28:17.681 --> 0:28:19.881
<v Speaker 2>sort of defend themselves, and it was going to go

0:28:19.921 --> 0:28:22.601
<v Speaker 2>on forever and So if you're listening and you're a

0:28:22.641 --> 0:28:24.881
<v Speaker 2>Trump fan, the one thing he's got going for him

0:28:25.241 --> 0:28:30.241
<v Speaker 2>is that this unpredictable deconstructions approached to everything, something had

0:28:30.281 --> 0:28:33.321
<v Speaker 2>to change. And well that's what.

0:28:33.441 --> 0:28:35.641
<v Speaker 3>He voted for him, because he came in and said,

0:28:35.681 --> 0:28:37.521
<v Speaker 3>this is not you know, you don't like what the

0:28:37.521 --> 0:28:38.241
<v Speaker 3>status quo is.

0:28:38.321 --> 0:28:40.441
<v Speaker 5>He's question, then, what do we think the border looks

0:28:40.521 --> 0:28:43.281
<v Speaker 5>like in let's say six months time, because you're unlikely

0:28:43.281 --> 0:28:44.241
<v Speaker 5>to see Russia.

0:28:43.961 --> 0:28:46.801
<v Speaker 2>Withdraw No, it's going to be redrawing.

0:28:47.081 --> 0:28:50.961
<v Speaker 3>So get the land that they've already gonetmate there on

0:28:51.001 --> 0:28:53.841
<v Speaker 3>the river. There'll be some kind of contested zone. I

0:28:53.841 --> 0:28:56.921
<v Speaker 3>imagine that the UN will agree to patrol for however long.

0:28:57.281 --> 0:28:59.161
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I mean Democrats, they're going to have

0:28:59.241 --> 0:29:00.841
<v Speaker 2>to find some They're going to have to find someone

0:29:00.881 --> 0:29:02.761
<v Speaker 2>there as a leader to stand up because sitting there

0:29:02.841 --> 0:29:05.041
<v Speaker 2>during that State of the Whatever speech and holding up

0:29:05.081 --> 0:29:08.361
<v Speaker 2>a few little placards looked pretty pretty lame as far

0:29:08.401 --> 0:29:09.321
<v Speaker 2>as things go, didn't it.

0:29:09.601 --> 0:29:13.201
<v Speaker 3>I saw someone say, you know, like talking about everything

0:29:13.241 --> 0:29:15.281
<v Speaker 3>that had happened in the last week, you know, Ukraine

0:29:15.321 --> 0:29:17.441
<v Speaker 3>and all these other things, and then someone said, what

0:29:17.441 --> 0:29:19.401
<v Speaker 3>are the Democrats doing? And Hakeem Jeffreys has gone on

0:29:19.481 --> 0:29:20.041
<v Speaker 3>a book tour.

0:29:22.321 --> 0:29:24.961
<v Speaker 2>My favorite politician of the week was actually the French senator.

0:29:25.081 --> 0:29:28.641
<v Speaker 2>His name is Claude Murray, who who basically this eight

0:29:28.681 --> 0:29:31.281
<v Speaker 2>minute address in French, but it's translated and it's a

0:29:31.281 --> 0:29:33.561
<v Speaker 2>summary of what's going on, and it's a it's a

0:29:33.561 --> 0:29:36.921
<v Speaker 2>pretty good takedown of tru Trump as well. And he's

0:29:36.921 --> 0:29:41.761
<v Speaker 2>the one who described the elon Musk is a ketamine

0:29:41.841 --> 0:29:45.161
<v Speaker 2>fueled not knutbag. I'm not sure what it was, but

0:29:45.241 --> 0:29:45.721
<v Speaker 2>it was close.

0:29:46.041 --> 0:29:48.681
<v Speaker 5>Have you seen can call them for a job sort

0:29:48.681 --> 0:29:52.121
<v Speaker 5>of phantom billstickers around London who are putting up posters,

0:29:52.841 --> 0:29:54.881
<v Speaker 5>you know, bus stops and that sort of thing, things

0:29:54.961 --> 0:29:58.601
<v Speaker 5>like with a picture of Musk on it. I think

0:29:58.641 --> 0:30:03.561
<v Speaker 5>were they calling the cars swastikas?

0:30:03.721 --> 0:30:04.681
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:30:04.721 --> 0:30:06.881
<v Speaker 5>And zero to nineteen thirty nine and three seconds.

0:30:09.201 --> 0:30:10.241
<v Speaker 2>That is quite funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Nazi salute. He just has autism oking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, it's twenty to four. That'll trigger a few people.

0:30:17.881 --> 0:30:19.841
<v Speaker 2>You can cooll your jets. People, don't worry. You know,

0:30:19.881 --> 0:30:21.681
<v Speaker 2>the sun will still sit rise in the east and

0:30:21.721 --> 0:30:23.641
<v Speaker 2>sit in the west. We'll be back with our panel

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty to four.

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<v Speaker 4>Mary bunny Begs. I've been breaking my bad just keeping

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<v Speaker 4>we chums, y'all, me in y'all, no goals when Summer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Saving norm mi Y's welcome back to the panel on

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend Collectiveumpton Beverage to Pete wolf Campanana Burns Francis

0:30:53.761 --> 0:30:56.041
<v Speaker 2>my panelists. Now there have been some I think that

0:30:56.121 --> 0:30:57.801
<v Speaker 2>we can see this is positive news. There's been a

0:30:57.801 --> 0:31:00.401
<v Speaker 2>bunch of health nonsince this week of the government's announced

0:31:00.401 --> 0:31:03.281
<v Speaker 2>it's going to help bring one hundred overseas trained doctors

0:31:03.281 --> 0:31:07.441
<v Speaker 2>into primary care. I think basically trying to make it

0:31:07.481 --> 0:31:10.401
<v Speaker 2>easier for them to get qualified as well. So that

0:31:10.481 --> 0:31:11.961
<v Speaker 2>was a good bit of news, wasn't it.

0:31:11.961 --> 0:31:14.361
<v Speaker 3>And I don't you think yes, because I'm currently on

0:31:14.401 --> 0:31:16.161
<v Speaker 3>a three week wait to see.

0:31:15.921 --> 0:31:18.161
<v Speaker 2>My GP painful.

0:31:18.281 --> 0:31:20.761
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I know it's so annoying.

0:31:21.081 --> 0:31:24.401
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think they're also enabling working out enabling

0:31:24.641 --> 0:31:27.241
<v Speaker 2>nurse practitioners to have a bigger role and you have

0:31:27.321 --> 0:31:29.641
<v Speaker 2>more of them and the important role they plan in.

0:31:29.601 --> 0:31:33.201
<v Speaker 5>Practice practitioner thing has been fantastic and we've got some

0:31:33.241 --> 0:31:36.081
<v Speaker 5>involvement with sort of more senior family members and so

0:31:36.161 --> 0:31:38.561
<v Speaker 5>that their care is often done by a nurse practitioner.

0:31:39.041 --> 0:31:41.041
<v Speaker 5>I think the person that sorted me out last week

0:31:41.161 --> 0:31:44.561
<v Speaker 5>also nurse practitioner. Ye, fantastic, great initiative.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wonder sometimes with these announcements, I think that

0:31:48.001 --> 0:31:49.801
<v Speaker 3>is that enough money or is that have we thought

0:31:49.801 --> 0:31:52.001
<v Speaker 3>about all the finer details yet? How do you make

0:31:52.001 --> 0:31:54.521
<v Speaker 3>sure the GP clinic is going to well?

0:31:54.521 --> 0:31:56.601
<v Speaker 2>I think that they had I think in this people

0:31:56.681 --> 0:31:59.321
<v Speaker 2>have qualified overseas, they had to do their second year

0:31:59.361 --> 0:32:01.121
<v Speaker 2>in a hospital or something. There's a change to how

0:32:01.161 --> 0:32:03.121
<v Speaker 2>they can get that experience right, so now they can

0:32:03.161 --> 0:32:06.361
<v Speaker 2>go into GP practices. And actually, by the way, useful

0:32:06.361 --> 0:32:08.361
<v Speaker 2>hack if you are waiting to see your GP.

0:32:09.121 --> 0:32:12.241
<v Speaker 3>Oh what is it? Well, don't get sick.

0:32:12.321 --> 0:32:15.401
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a hack. Actually, always if you

0:32:15.561 --> 0:32:17.521
<v Speaker 2>really need to see someone, just say look if can

0:32:17.561 --> 0:32:19.601
<v Speaker 2>I come and see the nurse and the nurse takes

0:32:19.601 --> 0:32:22.481
<v Speaker 2>a look and then goes, oh, I better get the

0:32:22.521 --> 0:32:23.841
<v Speaker 2>doctor to have a quick look at that.

0:32:23.921 --> 0:32:25.521
<v Speaker 3>You're not supposed to give away hacks like that.

0:32:26.161 --> 0:32:30.081
<v Speaker 2>I haven't told you which practice on Monday, but but

0:32:29.641 --> 0:32:32.241
<v Speaker 2>that's what. They Also want you to see the nurse

0:32:32.241 --> 0:32:33.761
<v Speaker 2>if you can, because I mean, there's no point of

0:32:34.161 --> 0:32:36.921
<v Speaker 2>you've got a an infected pimple or something. You go

0:32:36.961 --> 0:32:38.081
<v Speaker 2>and are going to see the doctor, Just go and

0:32:38.121 --> 0:32:40.281
<v Speaker 2>see the nurse. You'll probably get the doctors go yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a quick script for that. Or you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how many times people go to see the GP

0:32:45.721 --> 0:32:50.361
<v Speaker 2>when maybe they just needed some experienced advice and insight

0:32:50.401 --> 0:32:52.081
<v Speaker 2>into something that maybe wasn't that great.

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<v Speaker 3>And then sometimes I feel like, because they're always running late,

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<v Speaker 3>that they then feel like they have to give you your

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes. You think, no, I've been here for forty five.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm final, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's a bit of good news. The other one, Look,

0:33:05.121 --> 0:33:08.601
<v Speaker 2>these issues are tricky. I think the bow cancer free

0:33:08.681 --> 0:33:13.041
<v Speaker 2>screening age load to fifty eight. They've pulled the funding

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<v Speaker 2>from the MARII program. I think it's always so difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to work out how you get the right screening for

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<v Speaker 2>the right people because they're you know, statistically mari are

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<v Speaker 2>more likely to get belle cancer earlier, and yet to me,

0:33:29.401 --> 0:33:31.321
<v Speaker 2>it still doesn't address the need that there will still

0:33:31.361 --> 0:33:33.801
<v Speaker 2>be others in that demographic will get it earlier as well.

0:33:34.201 --> 0:33:36.801
<v Speaker 2>How do you target the right people?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think it was a mistake to pull funding

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<v Speaker 3>from a program. To make a promise to Laura, you

0:33:42.721 --> 0:33:45.281
<v Speaker 3>should laureate to fifty eight for everyone, and you need

0:33:45.321 --> 0:33:48.121
<v Speaker 3>to keep that program. Yeah, that's probably because if we

0:33:48.241 --> 0:33:50.721
<v Speaker 3>said that the program was let's say it's not for

0:33:50.761 --> 0:33:52.921
<v Speaker 3>mary people, it's for people who have a family history,

0:33:53.521 --> 0:33:55.161
<v Speaker 3>and so let's say you have to have an immediate

0:33:55.161 --> 0:33:57.601
<v Speaker 3>family member, and we suddenly go, no more of that.

0:33:57.761 --> 0:33:59.961
<v Speaker 3>If you have an immediate family member, that does not count.

0:34:00.001 --> 0:34:02.121
<v Speaker 3>You now have to wait till fifty eight. That's madness.

0:34:02.361 --> 0:34:03.641
<v Speaker 3>We know that you all wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 5>That's really out there because I'm slightly perplexed by that story,

0:34:06.481 --> 0:34:09.841
<v Speaker 5>given that I get the Bell screening tests delivered to

0:34:09.881 --> 0:34:13.241
<v Speaker 5>the house every now and then, and I've only just

0:34:13.281 --> 0:34:14.001
<v Speaker 5>turned fifty eight.

0:34:17.321 --> 0:34:20.041
<v Speaker 2>I mean they have they seen you on the media

0:34:20.081 --> 0:34:29.601
<v Speaker 2>and thought, no, there's no ways fifteen He's that was

0:34:30.601 --> 0:34:31.081
<v Speaker 2>just jacks.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, by the way, if you do get the kit,

0:34:33.041 --> 0:34:35.681
<v Speaker 5>bloody do it and yeah, make sure you're okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I mean, I've got I know a

0:34:37.761 --> 0:34:40.281
<v Speaker 2>young person who's got it through generations of her family,

0:34:40.281 --> 0:34:42.961
<v Speaker 2>and it's not funded because they're not addressing the fact

0:34:42.961 --> 0:34:44.961
<v Speaker 2>that there is actually a need for her to be

0:34:45.041 --> 0:34:48.961
<v Speaker 2>screened because she doesn't tack the whatever box we can

0:34:49.001 --> 0:34:51.441
<v Speaker 2>go into. And I think that's the biggest challenges. It's

0:34:51.481 --> 0:34:54.401
<v Speaker 2>to try and identify people who are at the highest

0:34:54.401 --> 0:34:57.681
<v Speaker 2>gust regardless of I mean, age is a crude summary,

0:34:57.761 --> 0:35:00.281
<v Speaker 2>so as race. I mean, so I don't know.

0:35:00.161 --> 0:35:01.841
<v Speaker 3>What the answer they all are, but they are all

0:35:01.881 --> 0:35:04.241
<v Speaker 3>crude to an extent that they all have some some

0:35:04.401 --> 0:35:07.321
<v Speaker 3>measurable outcome. And we know that that is an important

0:35:07.361 --> 0:35:09.681
<v Speaker 3>one as well. That and this is this shouldn't be

0:35:10.401 --> 0:35:12.321
<v Speaker 3>you know, a one or the other. There should be both.

0:35:12.441 --> 0:35:15.121
<v Speaker 3>You should be able to get it earlier if you

0:35:15.121 --> 0:35:18.361
<v Speaker 3>are Maria or Maria Pacifica. And fifty eight is great too.

0:35:18.441 --> 0:35:19.681
<v Speaker 3>Let's keep lowering it for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I know that I understand Shane Retti

0:35:22.281 --> 0:35:24.601
<v Speaker 2>as the former Minister of Health was working on the stuff.

0:35:24.641 --> 0:35:27.561
<v Speaker 2>But you've got it. Did play nicely into Simeon Brown's

0:35:27.561 --> 0:35:30.401
<v Speaker 2>hands that pretty much golden Balls is in the building

0:35:30.521 --> 0:35:33.081
<v Speaker 2>and then bing bing bing announcement, announcement, announcement. It does

0:35:33.121 --> 0:35:35.401
<v Speaker 2>give the impression like wow.

0:35:36.161 --> 0:35:38.361
<v Speaker 3>Fire, but that's playing politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. Indeed, we'll be back in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the panel on the Weekend Collective. It's eleven

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to four.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're feeling down, make you happy?

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<v Speaker 5>W s around make you happy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and welcome back to the Weekend Colective. I'm Tim Beverages.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the panel. Anabins Francis and Pete wolf Camp

0:36:08.401 --> 0:36:10.361
<v Speaker 2>are my panelists today. Now I do love the story.

0:36:10.401 --> 0:36:12.641
<v Speaker 2>We got to you gotta meet some heavy stuff on

0:36:12.681 --> 0:36:14.281
<v Speaker 2>the panel to day, haven't we We've been. We've been,

0:36:14.521 --> 0:36:17.121
<v Speaker 2>We've been, you know, facing some fast deliveries. If I

0:36:17.161 --> 0:36:20.601
<v Speaker 2>could use a crooking analogy, but the police in Brazil

0:36:21.601 --> 0:36:26.081
<v Speaker 2>have They've disguised themselves for a local carnival and by

0:36:26.121 --> 0:36:29.761
<v Speaker 2>dressing themselves, I'm not sure if it's not an inconspicuous disguise.

0:36:29.801 --> 0:36:32.521
<v Speaker 2>They've disguised themselves as as power Rangers.

0:36:32.641 --> 0:36:34.561
<v Speaker 3>I think it is during during carnival time.

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<v Speaker 5>Though, isn't it explain this to me? They're not dressing

0:36:37.481 --> 0:36:40.721
<v Speaker 5>up to partake. They're dressing in disguise and then sort

0:36:40.721 --> 0:36:41.641
<v Speaker 5>of acting undercover.

0:36:42.041 --> 0:36:46.121
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so you're not like there's the cops runs.

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<v Speaker 2>But isn't that a brilliant idea to get dressed up?

0:36:48.761 --> 0:36:50.041
<v Speaker 2>And I mean it was either that.

0:36:50.121 --> 0:36:51.401
<v Speaker 3>Jim's honestly looked terrible.

0:36:51.441 --> 0:36:54.001
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's either that I reckon. If they were

0:36:54.001 --> 0:36:56.201
<v Speaker 2>really serious about blending and you'd stick on that, you'd

0:36:56.241 --> 0:36:59.041
<v Speaker 2>have the big blue sort of eye shadow and makeup

0:36:59.081 --> 0:37:01.761
<v Speaker 2>and feathers and feathers and g strings and whatever.

0:37:02.161 --> 0:37:04.961
<v Speaker 3>It looks like someone had two dollars shop and grabbed

0:37:05.201 --> 0:37:07.601
<v Speaker 3>of costumes and said here where these they'll never catch us.

0:37:08.121 --> 0:37:09.681
<v Speaker 2>What would you wear if you were going on Mardi

0:37:09.721 --> 0:37:12.241
<v Speaker 2>Gras Pete, if you wanted to blend in.

0:37:13.241 --> 0:37:20.761
<v Speaker 8>If I wanted to blend to, if you want to

0:37:21.041 --> 0:37:24.161
<v Speaker 8>fit and it's spectacular.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, you'd have to go for the y m c A.

0:37:27.161 --> 0:37:30.121
<v Speaker 5>The construction worker from the.

0:37:31.601 --> 0:37:34.881
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely that's the easiest one to do to you get

0:37:34.881 --> 0:37:36.961
<v Speaker 2>the av I did it from a girl my daughter's camp,

0:37:37.561 --> 0:37:40.721
<v Speaker 2>the aator online. Please tell me this photos on my

0:37:40.761 --> 0:37:43.001
<v Speaker 2>phone here I got. I got a real on the news.

0:37:44.041 --> 0:37:46.361
<v Speaker 3>He's got his phone in hand and he is scrolling

0:37:46.401 --> 0:37:48.481
<v Speaker 3>to try and desperate to show us.

0:37:49.001 --> 0:37:51.241
<v Speaker 2>I am definitely I am going to show.

0:37:55.721 --> 0:37:56.201
<v Speaker 3>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry it's not radio, but I'm bottom left there

0:37:59.601 --> 0:38:01.241
<v Speaker 2>all we.

0:38:01.161 --> 0:38:03.041
<v Speaker 5>Can't see you from the waist down. That's what we want.

0:38:03.321 --> 0:38:03.921
<v Speaker 3>The whole point of.

0:38:03.921 --> 0:38:08.601
<v Speaker 2>The village shirt and sex pack. What do you expect? Well,

0:38:08.681 --> 0:38:10.681
<v Speaker 2>believe what would yours?

0:38:11.001 --> 0:38:13.921
<v Speaker 3>I would like to have the physique to be one

0:38:13.961 --> 0:38:17.921
<v Speaker 3>of the dancers, you know with those amazing seat We've

0:38:17.921 --> 0:38:19.561
<v Speaker 3>had you said them on Breakfast a couple of times

0:38:19.561 --> 0:38:23.321
<v Speaker 3>a year. The sequence and the head the head piece

0:38:23.641 --> 0:38:24.721
<v Speaker 3>weighs a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>That is actually you know what if you have if

0:38:29.001 --> 0:38:31.601
<v Speaker 2>you've got a swim suit, you add some Ostrich feathers,

0:38:32.001 --> 0:38:36.801
<v Speaker 2>a bit of mascara, you're away Ostrich feathers. Because I've

0:38:36.841 --> 0:38:38.481
<v Speaker 2>worked with I've done shows where we've had sort of

0:38:38.521 --> 0:38:41.881
<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas title dancers and things, and it's just instantly,

0:38:41.921 --> 0:38:44.521
<v Speaker 2>as soon as you have that sort of showgirl Ostrich

0:38:44.601 --> 0:38:46.761
<v Speaker 2>feather walks in the room, it's it's it's party times.

0:38:46.761 --> 0:38:48.601
<v Speaker 3>You can just imagine Tim walking in and goes need

0:38:48.681 --> 0:38:49.201
<v Speaker 3>something more.

0:38:51.921 --> 0:38:54.161
<v Speaker 2>They didn't trust me in the in the thing and

0:38:54.201 --> 0:38:56.281
<v Speaker 2>the feathers. I was in a dinner suit luckily. But hey,

0:38:56.281 --> 0:38:58.321
<v Speaker 2>by the way, just on the fun thing. We were

0:38:58.321 --> 0:39:00.921
<v Speaker 2>talking about this in the break I loved Mark Mitchell

0:39:01.041 --> 0:39:02.961
<v Speaker 2>doing the manu. The other day, I think it was

0:39:02.961 --> 0:39:06.481
<v Speaker 2>about a week ago, I interviewed him. I asked him

0:39:06.481 --> 0:39:09.641
<v Speaker 2>why he didn't wear why he didn't go just because.

0:39:10.081 --> 0:39:12.001
<v Speaker 3>How long did it take to decide to do it?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't miss just rocked up and went, oh look

0:39:15.361 --> 0:39:16.881
<v Speaker 5>I'm into this, this would be great fun.

0:39:17.321 --> 0:39:20.441
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't jump. There was actually a special technique

0:39:20.441 --> 0:39:23.441
<v Speaker 2>for doing Amino, and he did. And he did sort

0:39:23.441 --> 0:39:24.841
<v Speaker 2>of more of the traditional.

0:39:24.361 --> 0:39:26.601
<v Speaker 5>Bomb the essex at the cannon ball, didn't he or

0:39:26.641 --> 0:39:28.641
<v Speaker 5>something like that, rather than trying to do a staple

0:39:28.681 --> 0:39:29.161
<v Speaker 5>type thing.

0:39:29.521 --> 0:39:32.321
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's let's make him in terms of well

0:39:32.321 --> 0:39:34.481
<v Speaker 2>it was actually technically speaking, it was actually last week,

0:39:34.521 --> 0:39:37.001
<v Speaker 2>so I can't during the week for the story of

0:39:37.041 --> 0:39:38.201
<v Speaker 2>the week, but anyway.

0:39:38.401 --> 0:39:40.561
<v Speaker 3>But he can hold the record because no one's done

0:39:40.601 --> 0:39:42.921
<v Speaker 3>anything better since exactly exactly.

0:39:43.601 --> 0:39:45.561
<v Speaker 2>Hey, love to see you guys, got exciting plans for

0:39:45.601 --> 0:39:45.881
<v Speaker 2>this week.

0:39:45.921 --> 0:39:50.081
<v Speaker 3>Anna, well look hones second, barely remember what day it is?

0:39:50.161 --> 0:39:54.441
<v Speaker 3>So email your producers going, so are you sure that's

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<v Speaker 3>the time we turn up?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually and well yeah, well at least you made it

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<v Speaker 2>so well, thank you for coming in. And Pete, next

0:40:00.721 --> 0:40:02.841
<v Speaker 2>time I see you, I think, just wear some aviators.

0:40:02.921 --> 0:40:05.521
<v Speaker 2>You've got a construction hat, you've got a mistake. You

0:40:05.601 --> 0:40:07.081
<v Speaker 2>just need the aviators and we.

0:40:07.321 --> 0:40:10.441
<v Speaker 3>And Tim will bring the Ostrich figures in the chaps.

0:40:12.721 --> 0:40:14.241
<v Speaker 3>It's still three o'clock, four o'clock in the.

0:40:14.201 --> 0:40:17.561
<v Speaker 2>Afternot be anyway. I'm going to appear at the back

0:40:17.601 --> 0:40:20.321
<v Speaker 2>of the the panel for now. We're going to turn

0:40:20.321 --> 0:40:22.361
<v Speaker 2>off their MIC's as soon as we can, right and

0:40:22.481 --> 0:40:24.161
<v Speaker 2>we'll be back with the one Roufradio Show. We've got

0:40:24.161 --> 0:40:26.681
<v Speaker 2>a new guest on the show, Mike Atkinson. He is

0:40:26.681 --> 0:40:28.801
<v Speaker 2>from a SPA property management and we're going to talk

0:40:28.841 --> 0:40:31.961
<v Speaker 2>about the power balance between landlords and tenants and also

0:40:32.281 --> 0:40:35.121
<v Speaker 2>what are the biggest issues that face new landlords when

0:40:35.121 --> 0:40:37.201
<v Speaker 2>you try and manage your own property. We'll be taking

0:40:37.201 --> 0:40:38.881
<v Speaker 2>your calls. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty

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<v Speaker 2>back back in a moment.

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