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Speaker 2: Francis journalists and presenter and mum. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: What are you going to say?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I had an introduction which was groomed for some
Speaker 2: previously older panelists. I deleted it. I can't older panelists
Speaker 2: last weekend. Oh they were older. And I was going
Speaker 2: to say, it's a battle of the silver Foxes. Then
Speaker 2: I suddenly realized, no, it's not. Back the truck up
Speaker 2: and shovel back to the other guy anyway, and that
Speaker 2: familiar voice you will hear in the background. He's sporting
Speaker 2: a war wound. But I feel the need that I
Speaker 2: have to go, and I'm gonna have to peel it
Speaker 2: back just to see if it's legit or he just
Speaker 2: likes to put a bandage on every heading in to
Speaker 2: prove that he's on the tools. The resident build a
Speaker 2: Pete wolf Camp. Hi Pete, how are you good?
Speaker 5: Thanks for yourself?
Speaker 2: I'm good. Thank you? Have you been? Have you been
Speaker 2: on the tools?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 5: And they back and that's the end of that.
Speaker 3: Still got all his fingers.
Speaker 5: Everybody, Yeah, thank goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, have you ever had a moment where you
Speaker 2: must have I guess in a career as long as well,
Speaker 2: let's not ever play the length because you're still a
Speaker 2: youngish guy. Ah'ish, that's kind of anyway, Beep. Have you
Speaker 2: ever had a moment where you thought, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: just as well? I blinked then, because that was what was.
Speaker 5: It actually using a skill saw on a weekend project.
Speaker 3: That I'm a bit squeamish just right?
Speaker 2: Does that mean that you might get a bit nauseous?
Speaker 3: It just means I'm yeah, I'm going to feel Really, it.
Speaker 5: Was occasionally don't talk about as well about are you
Speaker 5: okay with blood? And I went, yeah, I'm okay with blood? Yeah, no, Look,
Speaker 5: it was just just that classic moment. And we've all
Speaker 5: been there where a moment's in attention, working casually on
Speaker 5: a Saturday afternoon using power tools at home and just
Speaker 5: about to off.
Speaker 2: Actually, the reason I mentioned that, sorry, Anna, that was
Speaker 2: enough for Anna? Just about Rody, have we got known details?
Speaker 2: But actually the reason I did ask you the reason
Speaker 2: because I raised it. I thought, you know what, if
Speaker 2: there's half a dozen trades who are listening to that, going,
Speaker 2: goodness me, you know what, there's a couple of things
Speaker 2: I'm getting a bit slack on. We might have saved
Speaker 2: someone a tow, so that's why I carried on with that. Anyway,
Speaker 2: good to see Yes, good to see you to.
Speaker 3: Someone from ACC will be wiping their brow in this
Speaker 3: very moment.
Speaker 2: I've done them a service. They will send them a bill.
Speaker 5: Now we use power tools.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first thing, Adriana will it was a shock resignation.
Speaker 2: It does feel that we haven't been really told the reasons.
Speaker 2: He hasn't really commented too much. They put up the
Speaker 2: chair Neil Quigley who spoke to the media, and he
Speaker 2: didn't really make us any wiser. I don't want to
Speaker 2: say anything cruel, so I'll leave it to you guys.
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure he goes down as one of
Speaker 2: the greats as a Reserve Bank governor.
Speaker 3: And Anna, look, I will be honest. I missed a
Speaker 3: lot of his term, obviously being out of the country
Speaker 3: throughout the COVID period, where a lot of the criticism
Speaker 3: has come from how he handled it. If you look
Speaker 3: now where we're at, there is no argument he has
Speaker 3: met the mandate and got inflation back down and under control,
Speaker 3: and we have economic stability. I appreciate there's a lot
Speaker 3: of criticism from a time when I wasn't watching as
Speaker 3: closely as other people. What I do think is what
Speaker 3: was going on when he quit, because you know, everyone
Speaker 3: looked pretty surprised. But are we owed to answer?
Speaker 2: I think if you have been a civil servant at
Speaker 2: the Governor of the Reserve Bank, making about eight hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year, and your tenure has seen people
Speaker 2: as a result of your overreaction to extend all these
Speaker 2: monetary policies, so you ended up having to well, sure
Speaker 2: he's got inflation under control, but how many people have
Speaker 2: lost their jobs and how many people are screwed because
Speaker 2: they overinvested with cheap money and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: It just sounds like you want an apology, though.
Speaker 2: No I want to. I just want to know where
Speaker 2: it's gone. I think it's I think just I think
Speaker 2: you owe an explanation that would as simple as that.
Speaker 2: Forget the apologies. I mean, you know.
Speaker 3: You're not going to get them, and I think that's
Speaker 3: very clear from the way that this has played out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5: I mean to your comment, and in terms of you know,
Speaker 5: he's got the inflation down and all of those sorts
Speaker 5: of things are all coming right, But that's like being
Speaker 5: praised for putting out the fire that you started, you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm a little bit perplexed on it in the
Speaker 5: sense that does he you know, as a as an individual,
Speaker 5: do you have a right to privacy? And if you
Speaker 5: decide that your employment no longer suits you and you go,
Speaker 5: is that anyone's business other than your own? Except for
Speaker 5: the fact, as you say, is that you know he's
Speaker 5: he's on a healthy salary. It's a really important role.
Speaker 5: It's an important role, not just you know, for our
Speaker 5: position globally as well. You know, people look and go, well,
Speaker 5: hang on, if you reserve being top boss just takes off.
Speaker 5: What does that say about.
Speaker 2: You're run in process? If he goes to a restaurant,
Speaker 2: leave him alone, let him, let him let's not publicize
Speaker 2: which your brand of you know, of serving on Blonkie
Speaker 2: likes or whatever, all that privacy fine, But he's left
Speaker 2: his public job, I think, And he doesn't have to, obviously,
Speaker 2: but I think that he does.
Speaker 3: But if his explanation is I don't agree with the
Speaker 3: direction of the government, then that is clear anyway from
Speaker 3: the way that he has acted and in that case,
Speaker 3: good on him for resigning. He doesn't want to follow
Speaker 3: that mandate any further.
Speaker 2: Would you give an explanation if you were were you leaving,
Speaker 2: If you were leaving, you to say, listen, you know,
Speaker 2: these are the reasons I'm going bullet point, bullet point,
Speaker 2: bullet point goodbye.
Speaker 3: I would I'm going to be very careful with how
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, And.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that it's it's very easy to
Speaker 3: see sometimes that there are difficult situations where you have
Speaker 3: to be careful about how much you publicly state about
Speaker 3: what goes on behind closed doors. At the end of
Speaker 3: the day, the Reserve Bank has a whole lot of
Speaker 3: stuff happening that you know, I'm not going to understand.
Speaker 3: But also that private discussions between the Finance Minister and
Speaker 3: Treasury and there are obviously disagreements there about how the
Speaker 3: bank is funded and what that money is being used for.
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis didn't exactly. She didn't send him on his
Speaker 2: way on a sort of sleigh ride with flowers and snowflakes.
Speaker 2: Did She was like, I wish him well.
Speaker 5: But remember the protest from National when he was reappointed
Speaker 5: to the role just prior to the election as well,
Speaker 5: so they're not at all unhappy that he's gone.
Speaker 2: I suspect I wonder who they're going to get for
Speaker 2: the next run. It'll be someone probably I haven't heard of,
Speaker 2: so I can't really speculate any further comment.
Speaker 3: Guys, I did a quick google of the top contenders,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't tell you that I knew of any
Speaker 3: of them. To mind, I couldn't picture what they looked like.
Speaker 2: I think he was.
Speaker 5: I suppose an out of the box was appointed to
Speaker 5: the role, given he had so much of a public
Speaker 5: profile when he's running super Fund. Yeah, so maybe he'll
Speaker 5: go back to super fund of some description around the world,
Speaker 5: hedge fund somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think all said he sort of presided of
Speaker 2: an era where they did have a couple of two
Speaker 2: or three board members who are appointed to the board
Speaker 2: of the Reserve Bank who didn't seem to really be
Speaker 2: particularly qualified on the business that the Reserve Bank participates in.
Speaker 2: It's worth reading Michael Riddell's blog about that a while
Speaker 2: ago on his blog Croaking Cassandra. Don't know where where
Speaker 2: does that come from? Croaking Cassandra. Anyway, if you're curious
Speaker 2: and you're listening, Go and check it out. Now this
Speaker 2: one Winston Peters has introduced, you have new appointments. By
Speaker 2: the way, this is not slated for conversation for day today,
Speaker 2: But every time I think of Winston, I'm just dying
Speaker 2: to know if he's going to do that. He's very
Speaker 2: bullish about that very deal, isn't he that he's going
Speaker 2: to save the taxpayer billions? Very bullish.
Speaker 3: I'm so confused about it. Has it's cost us five hundred,
Speaker 3: then it's going to cost another three hundred or do
Speaker 3: we make three hundred back and now we're going to
Speaker 3: spend So.
Speaker 2: Where I think I think the win will be if
Speaker 2: he does a deal which doesn't entail him to spend
Speaker 2: other couple of billion dollars and infrastructures. But he's introduced
Speaker 2: an anti DEI bill which does sound a little fairly
Speaker 2: echo wish of what's being laid down by Donald Trump
Speaker 2: at the moment, and with his henchman. Can I call
Speaker 2: him a Elon Musk anyway? But yeah, it's he's proposed
Speaker 2: legislation to get to rid diversity equity inclusion regulation from
Speaker 2: the public service. Hmm, what do you make of it? Pete?
Speaker 5: What does that look like anyway, Like now, that is such.
Speaker 3: A great question. I went lost Secretary of Defense as
Speaker 3: a white guy in New Zealand. The head of the
Speaker 3: spy agency, the GCSB, is a white guy. The head
Speaker 3: of the Ministry of Justice is a white guy. The
Speaker 3: CEO of the Ministry of Corrections, it's a white guy.
Speaker 2: I think it's that guy. I think it's about policies
Speaker 2: are there. I didn't even know we had it.
Speaker 3: It's about how we employ these people and whether we
Speaker 3: should be looking at diversity and equity and inclusion in them.
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank and he's gone, but he's being replaced by
Speaker 3: another white guy public Service commissioner that considers de I
Speaker 3: he's also a white guy.
Speaker 2: I think, who are we talking about?
Speaker 3: You complaining about it?
Speaker 5: It's obviously not top of the tree, right, It's it's
Speaker 5: those departments. Do they actively go out and seek someone
Speaker 5: who fits that criteria that they are not mainstream? They're
Speaker 5: not like me, male, pale and stale.
Speaker 3: Right, But where is the problem, because I mean, if
Speaker 3: it's I wonder, Yeah, I think this is just noise.
Speaker 2: It's just actually, isn't it a Private member's bill? I
Speaker 2: think it's been pulled out and will let's see the
Speaker 2: light of day. I don't know. It's possibly more interesting
Speaker 2: than Labor Labour's Sha shadow Cabinet research, although isn't it.
Speaker 2: What were you going to say? Let's move on de
Speaker 2: I well, okay, so Barbara Edmunds will become the spokesperson
Speaker 2: for Savings and Investment. I mean I can barely get
Speaker 2: through introducing this without falling asleep though, because new jobs.
Speaker 3: Sorry, come on, what are they doing?
Speaker 2: What are they doing?
Speaker 4: Are they?
Speaker 3: What are they?
Speaker 5: Seriously is why has jen Tointi being sacked?
Speaker 2: I think, of course, I think that up against she's
Speaker 2: not got a great trick right now, no exactly spend
Speaker 2: questions publicly, but I got the sense that up against
Speaker 2: Erica Stanford she was getting probably she was on a
Speaker 2: hiding to nothing from a minister who does seem probably
Speaker 2: one of the more passionate and motivated ministers in her portfolio.
Speaker 2: And I think jan to Netti was just probably not
Speaker 2: cutting the mustard. They're looking to put someone else up as.
Speaker 3: A have they got the answer?
Speaker 2: Jean Willow Prime, who knows?
Speaker 3: I genuinely could not tell you the last time I
Speaker 3: saw her come out fighting, you know, and none of them.
Speaker 3: I just I believe that both sides of a parliament
Speaker 3: should have really vocal discourse. They should be engaging with
Speaker 3: each other. There should be You need a healthy opposition,
Speaker 3: no matter who it is, and I think the National
Speaker 3: Party did a great job of being a healthy opposition
Speaker 3: last time and I'm bitterly disappointed that we do not
Speaker 3: have that at the moment. It's boring and it also
Speaker 3: just I think is not representative of a democracy, particularly
Speaker 3: when we have MMP. You know, we are very fairly
Speaker 3: split as a country. I have centrist governments.
Speaker 2: I think do we hear we hear more from the
Speaker 2: Greens and the Marray Party and Chris Hipkins. It's like
Speaker 2: we have the Greens and I mean, regardless whether they
Speaker 2: say few funny things or not, we have the Maray
Speaker 2: Party and then we have Chris Hipkins. It feels like
Speaker 2: that that's the opposition benches. What do you think, Pete.
Speaker 5: Well in terms of that, and also if you look
Speaker 5: at New Zealand, first you've really got two people and
Speaker 5: the rest of them don't say a word exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2: If they were watching, they might be outraged. But in
Speaker 2: terms of who's making it who.
Speaker 3: Else is the other than Shane Jones and Winston Peters.
Speaker 5: To be fair, I was in an event it was
Speaker 5: about housing couple just prior to the election, and they
Speaker 5: had a representative from each of the main parties, including
Speaker 5: New Zealand First and I say, I'm police have on
Speaker 5: ever heard them speak again, So it was terrible. It
Speaker 5: was just appalling, to.
Speaker 2: Be fair, you know, when it comes to politics in general,
Speaker 2: I think that for most kiwi's they know a handful
Speaker 2: of names, and it's usually the government ministers because you know,
Speaker 2: you can I look back at any government. If somebody says,
Speaker 2: name four ministers in the last government, I'd probably stumble
Speaker 2: around for a bit because you know, And maybe that's
Speaker 2: just the way it works, is that the public's appetitle
Speaker 2: memory for absorbing all these different spokespeople for labor.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just maybe it's it's a lot of the
Speaker 3: prime minister's name wrong. And I think the last three
Speaker 3: we've had Christopher Luxton just center and John Keyes.
Speaker 2: Actually funny thing just.
Speaker 3: To think that the bar is pretty low.
Speaker 2: Actually, there was a funny note in Mike's show the
Speaker 2: other day. I heard Winston was chatting to him and
Speaker 2: he called him mister Hoskin consistently and at the end
Speaker 2: of it, and I noticed at the time, and I
Speaker 2: did laugh quite hard, Chris Mike says to Glean, he said,
Speaker 2: you noticed something there, hedn't. He's finally dropped the s
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 3: He couldn't remember the mic.
Speaker 2: That might have been it. Hey, look, we're going to
Speaker 2: take a moment. This is the panel on the Weekend
Speaker 2: Collective with Anna Burns, Francis and Pete wolf Camp. Phil
Speaker 2: Goff's being sacked. That's next. It's twenty one and a
Speaker 2: half minutes past three.
Speaker 6: Having to have the words to.
Speaker 2: Keep Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel.
Speaker 2: I'm Tim Beverage and Anna Burns, Francis and Pete wolf
Speaker 2: Camp are my panelists. Now moving on. I did sort
Speaker 2: of feel sorry for Phil Goff because, especially given that
Speaker 2: the remarks he made which got him sacked were literally
Speaker 2: made in the Chathamhouse. And there's an expression in journalism
Speaker 2: politics whatever Chathamhouse rules means, you don't know, this is
Speaker 2: not going to go any further than these four walls.
Speaker 2: Literally is chattermouse and and he's asked the questions suggesting.
Speaker 3: Never trust anybody under Chatham House rules.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's a video camera there as well.
Speaker 5: He's going to say about the streaming, but which he
Speaker 5: must have known was happening.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it wasn't something hiding behind someone's jacket, was it.
Speaker 2: But what did you make of it? Anna?
Speaker 3: I think Phil Goff has every right to feel he's
Speaker 3: had a bit of a rough ride. But this is
Speaker 3: just one of those things where you said it it
Speaker 3: was the wrong place at the wrong time. This was
Speaker 3: a dinner party with six people in your own home
Speaker 3: and you are having an informal chat about politicians. My guess.
Speaker 3: Say whatever you like about him, but we are in
Speaker 3: a period of time where we have to play our
Speaker 3: cards so carefully and he's just just don't talk about it.
Speaker 3: You just do not want the attention of someone who
Speaker 3: is so and I mean Donald Trump vindictive and vitriolic
Speaker 3: and bombastic and unstable. His leadership style is to be unpredictable,
Speaker 3: and that is that that means that the place for
Speaker 3: us to be is in the shadows. If we can
Speaker 3: get through the next four years without talking to Donald
Speaker 3: Trump trating ay phone call of any kind, we're good and.
Speaker 2: I didn't put the context of those on this because
Speaker 2: for those who haven't heard that, basically, he publicly questioned
Speaker 2: at Chatham House semi publicly US President Donald Trump understanding
Speaker 2: of history at an event, and also he was talking
Speaker 2: to some other politicians. It was an international sort of event,
Speaker 2: And what did you make of it? Pete? I think
Speaker 2: he had to go.
Speaker 5: To be fair. Prior to him making that comment, I
Speaker 5: was amazed that no one had used exactly that allegory,
Speaker 5: let's say, to describe what's going on at the moment.
Speaker 5: So if America is talking about peace and it involves
Speaker 5: Russians who are already hundreds of kilometers into someone else's country,
Speaker 5: that's not dissimilar to discussions in nineteen thirty eight. If
Speaker 5: Germany's already taken you know, Austria and then taken part
Speaker 5: of the Sedate and land, taken part of Poland, and
Speaker 5: then we're talking about peace, that's not peace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so right, the problem was he's right, he said it,
Speaker 3: he just can't and the job title that he said
Speaker 3: it in is just not the format of that. I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe if we were a particularly antagonistic government and could
Speaker 3: stand up to them, sure be my guest. We can
Speaker 3: say comments like that, but that is not the position
Speaker 3: we have.
Speaker 2: And he is Gosh. He is the government's spokesperson in London.
Speaker 2: So he's not there because he's filled goth X leader
Speaker 2: of you know x ex leader of the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: He's there because he is our he's our man in London.
Speaker 2: Actually did detect from Winston that Winston really didn't want
Speaker 2: to do he really he's got I think. But I
Speaker 2: think that Winston when he was describing about how unpleasant
Speaker 2: it was, he said, I rather not have to do
Speaker 2: it because he's worked with GoF Goss not an unpleasant person.
Speaker 3: He's a guy and he's a fairly safe pair of hands.
Speaker 3: You know, Other than this, what else.
Speaker 2: Was going to happen? You know, got to say, you just.
Speaker 3: Got to put a seal around it.
Speaker 2: If Winston's listening, I'm available to do the High Commissioners.
Speaker 2: I imagine you are too, Pete, and I like where
Speaker 2: you split the role three ways. Got to say that
Speaker 2: is apparently the sweetest job in post politics.
Speaker 3: There offices New Zealand House. I think when the Queen
Speaker 3: died pretty nice. A little bit of work on the
Speaker 3: walls right in the middle.
Speaker 2: I've had dinner at the I had dinner with was
Speaker 2: back when Paul East was the High Commissioner. And I
Speaker 2: had dinner with Prince. I've mentioned this before. I liked
Speaker 2: to because people.
Speaker 5: Have you Prince, Well, we're all interested.
Speaker 2: It was Prince Edward and his wife and since Zan
Speaker 2: Brook and Anitha McNaught, the former journalist, and it was
Speaker 2: actually my My family teased me because I like to
Speaker 2: ask what I think, just blunt, honest, simplest, maybe simplistic questions.
Speaker 2: But I just asked Edward what he was doing. I said,
Speaker 2: what are you doing with your days right now? I mean,
Speaker 2: as a member of the royal family.
Speaker 3: Are you just spending your millions?
Speaker 2: But but he was working on because he loves the
Speaker 2: film industry and he was working on it. And he
Speaker 2: told me about a film project and I said, so,
Speaker 2: for instance, what did you do yesterday or something? And
Speaker 2: he said, I had a and this was the he said, oh,
Speaker 2: we had a family barbecue. I'm thinking that's the royal family.
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, what's the vibe? Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't be what I asked him about it, But
Speaker 2: he told me how it's difficult to get near the
Speaker 2: barbecue because he said on my dad likes to dominate
Speaker 2: the barbecue, and I was thinking, that's the Duke of Edinburgh,
Speaker 2: and then he mentioned something else, that's the queen. And
Speaker 2: it was funny to be talking about someone's folks and realizing,
Speaker 2: when St.
Speaker 3: Peters is listening to this, you've definitely talked yourself out
Speaker 3: of the job.
Speaker 7: Loose chefs, I think actually, I don't think there were
Speaker 7: any particular rules about that, but talking about who manned
Speaker 7: the barbecue, I just thought it was particularly quaint.
Speaker 2: So I thought i'd share that with you. But anyway,
Speaker 2: Phil is a lovely story.
Speaker 5: What he's going to do now, Phil Edward Phil Phil's
Speaker 5: got to be seventy. Oh, I don't know, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think so, because he was he's at university with my
Speaker 5: brother or something like that.
Speaker 2: And anyway on too. Of course, the reason that phil
Speaker 2: Goffs were a sack of offense was because they were
Speaker 2: means where he questioned whether the US president had any
Speaker 2: knowledge of history. I mean, I could ask you guys,
Speaker 2: you're safe to comment on that. But of course we
Speaker 2: get onto the whole thing of the trade war that
Speaker 2: seems to be on again, on again, slightly off again.
Speaker 2: Canada are leaving their tariff, their retaliatory tariffs on until
Speaker 2: you know, systems normal again, and it does look like
Speaker 2: it's going to get pretty ugly. What do you reckon, Anna?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't Where do we begin? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: Well back in twenty eighteen when Trump started this the
Speaker 3: first time round. I mean, this is the way he negotiates.
Speaker 3: He uses tariff's as a means to get what he wants,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't really matter if that is a trade
Speaker 3: discussion or ending a war, you know, making Ukraine hand
Speaker 3: over all the rights to their minerals and making money
Speaker 3: from it. He will just use tariffs to get what
Speaker 3: he wants. Which is also a very good case for
Speaker 3: why we should stay very quiet and under the radar
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 5: Because there for the burgers.
Speaker 3: And also if you think that this is just a
Speaker 3: Donald Trump thing, you know, remember when it comes to
Speaker 3: a place like China, the Biden administration kept the tariffs
Speaker 3: in place. They don't just go away.
Speaker 2: So I guess it's, you know, the backdrop of it's
Speaker 2: just how you treat your friends. I mean I think
Speaker 2: I look at you know, them shoving all those tariffs
Speaker 2: on Canada. Actually they're not.
Speaker 3: They're not friends with other countries. They are isolationists their path.
Speaker 2: Now, I think I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau,
Speaker 2: but it seems that the last week or two or
Speaker 2: three or four of his leadership actually he's going out
Speaker 2: with the sort of bang in a way, because.
Speaker 5: As you know, he's got nothing left to lose, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he wants the I don't think he
Speaker 2: wants to sink his own ship though, but I mean
Speaker 2: he's he's demonstrated a sort of strength and his rhetoric
Speaker 2: and discussions around Donald Trump saying, look, you know, even
Speaker 2: the equating the Wall Street Journal. You know you're a
Speaker 2: very smart guy, Donald, but this is a very dumb
Speaker 2: thing to do. Apparently their recent conversation wasn't particularly great.
Speaker 2: But I mean, Canada is a massive trading part I
Speaker 2: think they're their biggest customer on that.
Speaker 3: But haven't they relaxed the car tariffs for like the
Speaker 3: next month or so something like that?
Speaker 2: Well, the car ones, because that's in self interest. But
Speaker 2: as Trudeau is saying, I'm sorry, until it's back to normal,
Speaker 2: we're keeping ours on And I think he's right to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: But you've got to think at some point that American
Speaker 3: businesses were a substantial number of which will be Republican
Speaker 3: Party supporters and donors. This will hurt them. Tariffs do
Speaker 3: end up being passed on, that the cost does get
Speaker 3: passed on and there will be a squeeze at some
Speaker 3: point where they turn around and go, this is not
Speaker 3: working for us. So I just don't quite know what
Speaker 3: what he's gunning for at this point.
Speaker 2: It just sounds I mean, do.
Speaker 3: We really think it's venting all over the border.
Speaker 2: Of course it's not. I mean Trudeau say it's worth
Speaker 2: responsible for one percent of the fent knelts going over
Speaker 2: the border to the to the States.
Speaker 3: It's like all that, you know, mass deportations, and he
Speaker 3: was doing like one tenth of what Biden was shipping
Speaker 3: out of the country the week before. It's just noise.
Speaker 2: And of course I love the fact that second hand
Speaker 2: tesla's a flooding the market. I think Germany. I think
Speaker 2: that in Germany the sort of tesla sales are down
Speaker 2: around seventy percent or something.
Speaker 3: We want to buy one of those because they can
Speaker 3: lock a lot of features on them, can't they, So
Speaker 3: that if you are the new purchaser and you haven't
Speaker 3: paid the subscription, or you don't want that frendcheet, they
Speaker 3: can lock your out of it to an extent.
Speaker 2: What's your take on how I mean he's apparently he's
Speaker 2: recently threatened sanctions against Russia. But that's the first negative
Speaker 2: thing I heard him say against Russia. But he seems
Speaker 2: to be treating Vladimir Zelensky like he's a distressed sell
Speaker 2: of real estate and one to be absolutely sat on.
Speaker 3: Because he can, because Vladimir Zelensky is a distressed piece
Speaker 3: of real estate. He really needs help. He is definitely
Speaker 3: going to be up against it if he doesn't have
Speaker 3: American support. Europe does not have the resources or the
Speaker 3: money to jump in immediately and supply what America was supplying.
Speaker 3: And so this is Trump's way of get one over
Speaker 3: on someone. It's an easy one.
Speaker 2: What's the point in getting one over on him? Is
Speaker 2: he just mean?
Speaker 3: Donald Trump does not like being in war. He doesn't
Speaker 3: like being a president that is contributing to conflicts. You know,
Speaker 3: he was desperate to get out of Afghanistan. That was
Speaker 3: a huge line in the lead up to the last
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election. You know, I'm the only president
Speaker 3: who has never started a war, you know, so this
Speaker 3: is and he has that isolationist perspective. He is not
Speaker 3: here to be a global player. He's here to dominate
Speaker 3: everybody else.
Speaker 5: But it's that withdrawal from the world, you know, it's
Speaker 5: role they've held for so long. And I've been listening
Speaker 5: to some podcasts recently from people who work like an AID,
Speaker 5: and they're going the impact that that whole USA, that's it,
Speaker 5: We're finished, right, We're not interested anymore. And there's clinics
Speaker 5: and organizations and hospitals and that all around the world
Speaker 5: where people are just going home. They're just locking the
Speaker 5: door and going home. The impact is just devastating.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people and you know,
Speaker 3: maybe if you come from I won't say Albuquerque, New Mexico,
Speaker 3: because you see the border right there. But you know,
Speaker 3: there are parts of the Midwest where you do not
Speaker 3: meet many migrants who've crossed the border or flown in,
Speaker 3: and you don't realize that actually on each coast, a
Speaker 3: lot of the doctors and surgeons who are in your
Speaker 3: hospitals came to America from another country or that came
Speaker 3: from Africa and came legally and trained and now work
Speaker 3: in your hospitals, or your engineers that work at your
Speaker 3: beloved x or at Facebook all come from, you know,
Speaker 3: places like India. You know, there's a lot of migration
Speaker 3: in America that people don't understand as to their benefit.
Speaker 3: They just think of everyone crossing the dairy and gap
Speaker 3: and cleaning a toilet in Florida.
Speaker 2: Gosh, a week has a long time in politics, isn't
Speaker 2: it again. I don't want to keep quoting from another show,
Speaker 2: but Hosking had a correspondent from Kiev. There's an English
Speaker 2: journalist called Jimmy Rushton who did make the point because
Speaker 2: at the moment, a lot of the political rhetoric coming
Speaker 2: from the White House is like, oh, this ward had
Speaker 2: been over in two weeks, if I hadn't been us,
Speaker 2: or if we hadn't been in there. But as this guy,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Rushing was his name, he said, he said, look,
Speaker 2: you know, the Russia's troops are looking increasingly ragged as well.
Speaker 2: They've been at war for three years.
Speaker 3: And sorry because they're North Korean and they haven't also
Speaker 3: been needing very much service.
Speaker 2: But the point is it's not like they're this overwhelming
Speaker 2: military power that's swept through the Ukraine. They have fought
Speaker 2: for three years and they've captured, you know, a few
Speaker 2: thousand square kilometers at the cost of however, many lives,
Speaker 2: and the idea that it's all that Ukraine, some somehow,
Speaker 2: some helpless little kitten, is, you know, with the most
Speaker 2: battle hardened troops. I think in Europe, I think that
Speaker 2: I think people are making mistake thinking that they're just
Speaker 2: bunnies in their headlight. Of course, I mean Trump pulling
Speaker 2: the security once.
Speaker 5: He pulled the sharing the intelligence, the intelligence.
Speaker 2: I just think I can't use the language I want
Speaker 2: to use to sum them up because it's a three
Speaker 2: thirty in the afternoon.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean the issue is it's a ship
Speaker 3: fight between both sides. But Ukraine is relying on external
Speaker 3: allies for help and so is Russia, and Russia is
Speaker 3: not about to lose. It's our allies in Ukraine, is
Speaker 3: it's biggest one?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the only positive thing that can be
Speaker 2: said to it is that there didn't seem to be
Speaker 2: an end in sight under Biden. Did there It looked
Speaker 2: like it was this will give them just enough to
Speaker 2: sort of defend themselves, and it was going to go
Speaker 2: on forever and So if you're listening and you're a
Speaker 2: Trump fan, the one thing he's got going for him
Speaker 2: is that this unpredictable deconstructions approached to everything, something had
Speaker 2: to change. And well that's what.
Speaker 3: He voted for him, because he came in and said,
Speaker 3: this is not you know, you don't like what the
Speaker 3: status quo is.
Speaker 5: He's question, then, what do we think the border looks
Speaker 5: like in let's say six months time, because you're unlikely
Speaker 5: to see Russia.
Speaker 2: Withdraw No, it's going to be redrawing.
Speaker 3: So get the land that they've already gonetmate there on
Speaker 3: the river. There'll be some kind of contested zone. I
Speaker 3: imagine that the UN will agree to patrol for however long.
Speaker 2: By the way, I mean Democrats, they're going to have
Speaker 2: to find some They're going to have to find someone
Speaker 2: there as a leader to stand up because sitting there
Speaker 2: during that State of the Whatever speech and holding up
Speaker 2: a few little placards looked pretty pretty lame as far
Speaker 2: as things go, didn't it.
Speaker 3: I saw someone say, you know, like talking about everything
Speaker 3: that had happened in the last week, you know, Ukraine
Speaker 3: and all these other things, and then someone said, what
Speaker 3: are the Democrats doing? And Hakeem Jeffreys has gone on
Speaker 3: a book tour.
Speaker 2: My favorite politician of the week was actually the French senator.
Speaker 2: His name is Claude Murray, who who basically this eight
Speaker 2: minute address in French, but it's translated and it's a
Speaker 2: summary of what's going on, and it's a it's a
Speaker 2: pretty good takedown of tru Trump as well. And he's
Speaker 2: the one who described the elon Musk is a ketamine
Speaker 2: fueled not knutbag. I'm not sure what it was, but
Speaker 2: it was close.
Speaker 5: Have you seen can call them for a job sort
Speaker 5: of phantom billstickers around London who are putting up posters,
Speaker 5: you know, bus stops and that sort of thing, things
Speaker 5: like with a picture of Musk on it. I think
Speaker 5: were they calling the cars swastikas?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And zero to nineteen thirty nine and three seconds.
Speaker 2: That is quite funny.
Speaker 3: Not Nazi salute. He just has autism oking.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, it's twenty to four. That'll trigger a few people.
Speaker 2: You can cooll your jets. People, don't worry. You know,
Speaker 2: the sun will still sit rise in the east and
Speaker 2: sit in the west. We'll be back with our panel
Speaker 2: at twenty to four.
Speaker 4: Mary bunny Begs. I've been breaking my bad just keeping
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Speaker 2: Saving norm mi Y's welcome back to the panel on
Speaker 2: the weekend Collectiveumpton Beverage to Pete wolf Campanana Burns Francis
Speaker 2: my panelists. Now there have been some I think that
Speaker 2: we can see this is positive news. There's been a
Speaker 2: bunch of health nonsince this week of the government's announced
Speaker 2: it's going to help bring one hundred overseas trained doctors
Speaker 2: into primary care. I think basically trying to make it
Speaker 2: easier for them to get qualified as well. So that
Speaker 2: was a good bit of news, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: And I don't you think yes, because I'm currently on
Speaker 3: a three week wait to see.
Speaker 2: My GP painful.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I know it's so annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think they're also enabling working out enabling
Speaker 2: nurse practitioners to have a bigger role and you have
Speaker 2: more of them and the important role they plan in.
Speaker 5: Practice practitioner thing has been fantastic and we've got some
Speaker 5: involvement with sort of more senior family members and so
Speaker 5: that their care is often done by a nurse practitioner.
Speaker 5: I think the person that sorted me out last week
Speaker 5: also nurse practitioner. Ye, fantastic, great initiative.
Speaker 3: I just wonder sometimes with these announcements, I think that
Speaker 3: is that enough money or is that have we thought
Speaker 3: about all the finer details yet? How do you make
Speaker 3: sure the GP clinic is going to well?
Speaker 2: I think that they had I think in this people
Speaker 2: have qualified overseas, they had to do their second year
Speaker 2: in a hospital or something. There's a change to how
Speaker 2: they can get that experience right, so now they can
Speaker 2: go into GP practices. And actually, by the way, useful
Speaker 2: hack if you are waiting to see your GP.
Speaker 3: Oh what is it? Well, don't get sick.
Speaker 2: I think this is a hack. Actually, always if you
Speaker 2: really need to see someone, just say look if can
Speaker 2: I come and see the nurse and the nurse takes
Speaker 2: a look and then goes, oh, I better get the
Speaker 2: doctor to have a quick look at that.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to give away hacks like that.
Speaker 2: I haven't told you which practice on Monday, but but
Speaker 2: that's what. They Also want you to see the nurse
Speaker 2: if you can, because I mean, there's no point of
Speaker 2: you've got a an infected pimple or something. You go
Speaker 2: and are going to see the doctor, Just go and
Speaker 2: see the nurse. You'll probably get the doctors go yeah,
Speaker 2: here's a quick script for that. Or you know, I
Speaker 2: wonder how many times people go to see the GP
Speaker 2: when maybe they just needed some experienced advice and insight
Speaker 2: into something that maybe wasn't that great.
Speaker 3: And then sometimes I feel like, because they're always running late,
Speaker 3: that they then feel like they have to give you your
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. You think, no, I've been here for forty five.
Speaker 3: I'm final, let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's a bit of good news. The other one, Look,
Speaker 2: these issues are tricky. I think the bow cancer free
Speaker 2: screening age load to fifty eight. They've pulled the funding
Speaker 2: from the MARII program. I think it's always so difficult
Speaker 2: to work out how you get the right screening for
Speaker 2: the right people because they're you know, statistically mari are
Speaker 2: more likely to get belle cancer earlier, and yet to me,
Speaker 2: it still doesn't address the need that there will still
Speaker 2: be others in that demographic will get it earlier as well.
Speaker 2: How do you target the right people?
Speaker 3: Because I think it was a mistake to pull funding
Speaker 3: from a program. To make a promise to Laura, you
Speaker 3: should laureate to fifty eight for everyone, and you need
Speaker 3: to keep that program. Yeah, that's probably because if we
Speaker 3: said that the program was let's say it's not for
Speaker 3: mary people, it's for people who have a family history,
Speaker 3: and so let's say you have to have an immediate
Speaker 3: family member, and we suddenly go, no more of that.
Speaker 3: If you have an immediate family member, that does not count.
Speaker 3: You now have to wait till fifty eight. That's madness.
Speaker 3: We know that you all wanted to do.
Speaker 5: That's really out there because I'm slightly perplexed by that story,
Speaker 5: given that I get the Bell screening tests delivered to
Speaker 5: the house every now and then, and I've only just
Speaker 5: turned fifty eight.
Speaker 2: I mean they have they seen you on the media
Speaker 2: and thought, no, there's no ways fifteen He's that was
Speaker 2: just jacks.
Speaker 5: Of course, by the way, if you do get the kit,
Speaker 5: bloody do it and yeah, make sure you're okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I've got I know a
Speaker 2: young person who's got it through generations of her family,
Speaker 2: and it's not funded because they're not addressing the fact
Speaker 2: that there is actually a need for her to be
Speaker 2: screened because she doesn't tack the whatever box we can
Speaker 2: go into. And I think that's the biggest challenges. It's
Speaker 2: to try and identify people who are at the highest
Speaker 2: gust regardless of I mean, age is a crude summary,
Speaker 2: so as race. I mean, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: What the answer they all are, but they are all
Speaker 3: crude to an extent that they all have some some
Speaker 3: measurable outcome. And we know that that is an important
Speaker 3: one as well. That and this is this shouldn't be
Speaker 3: you know, a one or the other. There should be both.
Speaker 3: You should be able to get it earlier if you
Speaker 3: are Maria or Maria Pacifica. And fifty eight is great too.
Speaker 3: Let's keep lowering it for everyone.
Speaker 2: By the way, I know that I understand Shane Retti
Speaker 2: as the former Minister of Health was working on the stuff.
Speaker 2: But you've got it. Did play nicely into Simeon Brown's
Speaker 2: hands that pretty much golden Balls is in the building
Speaker 2: and then bing bing bing announcement, announcement, announcement. It does
Speaker 2: give the impression like wow.
Speaker 3: Fire, but that's playing politics.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. Indeed, we'll be back in just a moment.
Speaker 2: This is the panel on the Weekend Collective. It's eleven
Speaker 2: minutes to four.
Speaker 4: If you're feeling down, make you happy?
Speaker 5: W s around make you happy?
Speaker 2: Yes, and welcome back to the Weekend Colective. I'm Tim Beverages.
Speaker 2: This is the panel. Anabins Francis and Pete wolf Camp
Speaker 2: are my panelists today. Now I do love the story.
Speaker 2: We got to you gotta meet some heavy stuff on
Speaker 2: the panel to day, haven't we We've been. We've been,
Speaker 2: We've been, you know, facing some fast deliveries. If I
Speaker 2: could use a crooking analogy, but the police in Brazil
Speaker 2: have They've disguised themselves for a local carnival and by
Speaker 2: dressing themselves, I'm not sure if it's not an inconspicuous disguise.
Speaker 2: They've disguised themselves as as power Rangers.
Speaker 3: I think it is during during carnival time.
Speaker 5: Though, isn't it explain this to me? They're not dressing
Speaker 5: up to partake. They're dressing in disguise and then sort
Speaker 5: of acting undercover.
Speaker 3: Yes, so you're not like there's the cops runs.
Speaker 2: But isn't that a brilliant idea to get dressed up?
Speaker 2: And I mean it was either that.
Speaker 3: Jim's honestly looked terrible.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's either that I reckon. If they were
Speaker 2: really serious about blending and you'd stick on that, you'd
Speaker 2: have the big blue sort of eye shadow and makeup
Speaker 2: and feathers and feathers and g strings and whatever.
Speaker 3: It looks like someone had two dollars shop and grabbed
Speaker 3: of costumes and said here where these they'll never catch us.
Speaker 2: What would you wear if you were going on Mardi
Speaker 2: Gras Pete, if you wanted to blend in.
Speaker 8: If I wanted to blend to, if you want to
Speaker 8: fit and it's spectacular.
Speaker 5: Look, you'd have to go for the y m c A.
Speaker 5: The construction worker from the.
Speaker 2: Absolutely that's the easiest one to do to you get
Speaker 2: the av I did it from a girl my daughter's camp,
Speaker 2: the aator online. Please tell me this photos on my
Speaker 2: phone here I got. I got a real on the news.
Speaker 3: He's got his phone in hand and he is scrolling
Speaker 3: to try and desperate to show us.
Speaker 2: I am definitely I am going to show.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry it's not radio, but I'm bottom left there
Speaker 2: all we.
Speaker 5: Can't see you from the waist down. That's what we want.
Speaker 3: The whole point of.
Speaker 2: The village shirt and sex pack. What do you expect? Well,
Speaker 2: believe what would yours?
Speaker 3: I would like to have the physique to be one
Speaker 3: of the dancers, you know with those amazing seat We've
Speaker 3: had you said them on Breakfast a couple of times
Speaker 3: a year. The sequence and the head the head piece
Speaker 3: weighs a ton.
Speaker 2: That is actually you know what if you have if
Speaker 2: you've got a swim suit, you add some Ostrich feathers,
Speaker 2: a bit of mascara, you're away Ostrich feathers. Because I've
Speaker 2: worked with I've done shows where we've had sort of
Speaker 2: Las Vegas title dancers and things, and it's just instantly,
Speaker 2: as soon as you have that sort of showgirl Ostrich
Speaker 2: feather walks in the room, it's it's it's party times.
Speaker 3: You can just imagine Tim walking in and goes need
Speaker 3: something more.
Speaker 2: They didn't trust me in the in the thing and
Speaker 2: the feathers. I was in a dinner suit luckily. But hey,
Speaker 2: by the way, just on the fun thing. We were
Speaker 2: talking about this in the break I loved Mark Mitchell
Speaker 2: doing the manu. The other day, I think it was
Speaker 2: about a week ago, I interviewed him. I asked him
Speaker 2: why he didn't wear why he didn't go just because.
Speaker 3: How long did it take to decide to do it?
Speaker 5: I don't miss just rocked up and went, oh look
Speaker 5: I'm into this, this would be great fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't jump. There was actually a special technique
Speaker 2: for doing Amino, and he did. And he did sort
Speaker 2: of more of the traditional.
Speaker 5: Bomb the essex at the cannon ball, didn't he or
Speaker 5: something like that, rather than trying to do a staple
Speaker 5: type thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's let's make him in terms of well
Speaker 2: it was actually technically speaking, it was actually last week,
Speaker 2: so I can't during the week for the story of
Speaker 2: the week, but anyway.
Speaker 3: But he can hold the record because no one's done
Speaker 3: anything better since exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Hey, love to see you guys, got exciting plans for
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 3: Anna, well look hones second, barely remember what day it is?
Speaker 3: So email your producers going, so are you sure that's
Speaker 3: the time we turn up?
Speaker 2: Actually and well yeah, well at least you made it
Speaker 2: so well, thank you for coming in. And Pete, next
Speaker 2: time I see you, I think, just wear some aviators.
Speaker 2: You've got a construction hat, you've got a mistake. You
Speaker 2: just need the aviators and we.
Speaker 3: And Tim will bring the Ostrich figures in the chaps.
Speaker 3: It's still three o'clock, four o'clock in the.
Speaker 2: Afternot be anyway. I'm going to appear at the back
Speaker 2: of the the panel for now. We're going to turn
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