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Speaker 1: We've got more clarity around the reform of the RAMA,

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Speaker 1: the Resource Management Act. We'll have a second tranch of

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Speaker 1: measures in the Parliament by the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Apparently seventy direction instruments grouped into four packages. Minister Responsible

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Speaker 1: as Chris Bishop, very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: This is not a criticism of you, but I follow

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Speaker 1: this game fairly closely and even I'm starting to get

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Speaker 1: confused with all of the announcements. So where does FastTrack

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Speaker 1: fit into these packages?

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Speaker 2: So fast trackers on its own timeline. We'll introduce it

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Speaker 2: in March this year. It will be passed by the

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Speaker 2: end of the year. That's about big projects. That's the

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Speaker 2: easiest way to think about that. It's about nationally significant

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Speaker 2: regional projects. It's about a way of making sure that

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Speaker 2: we can get on and consent those get a pipeline

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Speaker 2: of projects in place that people can get on with

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Speaker 2: start rebuilding the economy. The announcements I made yesterday are

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Speaker 2: about the actual underlying architecture of the RAMA. Quick ones

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Speaker 2: where we can make some changes around renewable energy, around housing,

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Speaker 2: around the rain which we respond to has the way

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Speaker 2: in which we deal with infrastructure more long lived infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: some of the more technical details of that, and then

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Speaker 2: later on we'll be moving into Phase three, which is

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Speaker 2: about replacing the RMA altogether.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say the fast tracks underway, when

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Speaker 1: I look at Package number one, Infrastructure and Energy Package,

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Speaker 1: which says smooth the way for new energy and infrastructure projects,

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Speaker 1: that's separate to fast Truck.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, because there's a whole lot of other

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Speaker 2: things right that are going on that won't be part

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Speaker 2: of fast Track, but we still want to make it

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Speaker 2: easier to get on and do things. So there'll be

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of smaller energy projects. There's a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of infrastructure projects like this, buildings, local roads for example.

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Speaker 2: We want that to be easier. We want designations, which

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Speaker 2: is projecting out where you're going to build a right

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Speaker 2: into the future. We want that to be simpler as well.

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of technical, really detailed, but

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Speaker 2: really important things that we've got to get right in

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Speaker 2: the system as well. Fast track is about making it

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Speaker 2: easier for those big projects to get them consented, do

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Speaker 2: it as a one stop shop, but we also want

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Speaker 2: everybody else who uses the RMA system to be able

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Speaker 2: to take advantage of a simpler system, so we've got

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Speaker 2: to fix it for them as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so farming in primary sector package, you can put

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Speaker 1: a greenhouse in a paddock. Can you not do that

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Speaker 1: at the moment?

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Speaker 2: You can't do it on highly productive land. The last

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Speaker 2: government passed this thing called the National Policy Statm on

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Speaker 2: a highly Productive Land, which says that this you've got

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Speaker 2: land quality class one, two or three. It's very restrictive

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Speaker 2: about what you can do with that land, including, for example,

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Speaker 2: and you can't put a piggery on it, or you

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Speaker 2: can't put a greenhouse on it, or you can't put

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Speaker 2: some forms of infrastructure on it. So the last government

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Speaker 2: consulted on changing that. Well, we picked that up. We're

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Speaker 2: going to do that, but we're also going to make

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Speaker 2: wider changes to the highly productive land regime because it's

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Speaker 2: very restrictive about what you can do with your own property.

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Speaker 1: Well exactly, so if I grow capsicums on in a

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Speaker 1: paddock versus putting a greenhouse there and growing more capsicums

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Speaker 1: because I've got a better environment, who cares?

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Speaker 2: Well? You've identified nicely the public policy problem about the

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Speaker 2: whole of the highly productive land system, which is Yep,

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Speaker 2: we've got to protect potatoes and pokakawi and the very

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Speaker 2: high quality soils, and we might want to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we don't have you know, really inappropriate development on

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Speaker 2: those soils. But also, you know, ultimately we're quite a

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Speaker 2: country where private property rights are very important and we

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Speaker 2: should let people, you know, get on with doing things

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Speaker 2: on their own land.

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Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, get on with it. Chris Bishop,

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