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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: I am Paula Bennett, and welcome to my New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Herald podcast.

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Speaker 1: Asked me anything.

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Speaker 2: Now, One thing I've learned in life is it's never

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Speaker 2: too late to learn something new. So on this podcast

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Speaker 2: I talk to people from all walks of life to

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Speaker 2: hear about how they got to where they are and

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Speaker 2: get some advice and guidance.

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Speaker 1: On some of life's biggest questions.

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Speaker 2: Today, my guest is a couple I have wanted to

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Speaker 2: get on the podcast for a long time as friends

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Speaker 2: of mine and people I deeply admire. Sir Graham Dingle

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Speaker 2: is known as the father of outdoor adventure in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and avid adventurer, mountaineer, humanitarian and founder of the

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Speaker 2: Graham Dingle Foundation. His wife, Joanne Wilkinson or Lady Dingle,

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Speaker 2: as a youth worker and co founded the foundation with

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Speaker 2: him and lawyer and both do incredible work with our

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Speaker 2: young people. I call them g and Joe. So we'll

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Speaker 2: just go with that.

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Speaker 1: See how we go. But that did sound quite you know.

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Speaker 1: Now Graham has written his twelfth book.

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Speaker 2: He can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the

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Speaker 2: Promise on One Tree Hill. So Sir Graham and Joanne,

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Speaker 2: I'll be a little formal to start with. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: coming on in love to be here. Yeah, got okay,

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Speaker 2: send some quick far questions. If you could go to

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Speaker 2: the pub for a drink with anyone interesting, who would

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Speaker 2: it be?

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Speaker 3: Jesus and Mohammed so we can.

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Speaker 1: Believer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating. Yeah, what a life drink of choice. You

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Speaker 2: mentioned wine a bit in the book.

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Speaker 4: I've got to say I think we drink quite a

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Speaker 4: lot of wine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, We're going to talk all about the amazing work

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Speaker 2: you two do with the Foundations soon, but I want

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Speaker 2: to chat more about the two of you and how

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Speaker 2: you got to where you are. Graham, we're jumping ahead

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Speaker 2: a bit, but you talk in the book about losing

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Speaker 2: your voice, and so the people listening to the podcast

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Speaker 2: will notice that you're a bit croaky.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they probably think dying throat cancer.

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Speaker 4: And it's a condition called spasmodic dysphonia, and it's caused

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Speaker 4: by just having too much fun for it.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, how do you get it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you just have fun?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just and did it kind of just

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Speaker 5: No, it just suddenly ran out one day.

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Speaker 4: And I stopped doing public speaking, and then I accept

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Speaker 4: a talking job.

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Speaker 5: And someone in the audience said, I can fix that

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Speaker 5: with botox. But it didn't work.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, for some people, it might for most people.

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Speaker 5: It works for me.

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Speaker 2: The muscles you say in the book, don't you accept

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Speaker 2: the muscles around the larynx. Yeah, are seizing it and

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Speaker 2: causing it. So does it give you any pain?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, it's just emotional banging.

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Speaker 5: What was that? Was it?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: In the book you say you call the book a

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Speaker 2: love story, which I think is really quite lovely. So

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Speaker 2: let's talk a bit about your both. So how did

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Speaker 2: the two of you meet? Because I'm not instort of

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Speaker 2: I was all waiting for the joe and then I

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Speaker 2: even went did I read that or properly to go back?

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Speaker 2: Because it was kind of like it was quite fast.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get the good I didn't get the good oil.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was actually very slow.

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Speaker 5: Wild.

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Speaker 3: So we had known each other as in a group

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Speaker 3: of friends since nineteen eighty four. Oh wow, okay, And

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Speaker 3: it wasn't until end of nineteen nineteen ninety one that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh oh Graham, Oh j there you go. But

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Speaker 2: you're both adventurers, right, So and if you had that

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Speaker 2: I mean I would never have gone with Graham to

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: When he asked me to go to the Arctic, I

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Speaker 3: self limiting, really, so I'd better do it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, say yes, and then work it out later.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, So the romance is starting to bloom between

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Speaker 1: So did you have any good smooth moves.

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Speaker 2: Going, Graham or was it I mean, in the end,

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Speaker 2: Joanne had to propose to you, didn't she.

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Speaker 5: It's true, harbort Bridge nearly lost one of these bits

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Speaker 1: Because you weren't expecting it, were you?

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Speaker 2: And then you both kind of snuck away and had

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Speaker 1: And is that just because it was for you both?

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Speaker 3: Or I think our lives were quite complicated and busy,

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Speaker 3: and I we'd been together nine years by then, and

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Speaker 3: when Graham not only agreed but supported bringing my father

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Speaker 3: Lee when he was very unwell, I thought, how can

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and during the seventeenth was coming up.

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Speaker 3: I think it was during the seventh I must have proposed,

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Speaker 3: and I knew he wouldn't forget the date if we

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Speaker 3: got married on June the seventeenth, because that's the day

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Speaker 3: we completed the circumnavigation of the Arctic. Oh wow, okay,

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Speaker 3: so you know there's no issue with you know, anniversaries,

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Speaker 3: you know, not having to prompt them. So we designed

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Speaker 3: it all to happen in ten days and snuck off quietly.

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Speaker 2: You won't be like me and Allen who were literally

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Speaker 2: driving along a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: And we looked at it and are we And he said,

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Speaker 1: I mean what I went. I think we tacked over

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Speaker 1: ten years.

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Speaker 2: A week ago in some week high fived each other.

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Speaker 1: We must catch up for donners, so we both we

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Speaker 1: both forgets horable.

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Speaker 2: So for you, Joe, as what's probably been your an

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Speaker 2: experience that you've found most challenging with the adventures that

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Speaker 2: you've gone on with Graham, you know, because you talk

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Speaker 2: about the intact and butched a tent and so you

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Speaker 2: know it's quite a different life.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not for everyone.

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Speaker 3: Well, that first one to the Arctic, when I thought

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Speaker 1: Not being afraid of the unknown. What's the point.

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Speaker 3: So let's just deal with things as they arise, so

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Speaker 3: problem solving as you need to, and being more resilient

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Speaker 3: than I expected I would be, And managing to cope

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Speaker 3: more or less with Graham's expedition leader mode when he

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Speaker 3: would ask my opinion, stroke advice and then completely ignore it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not explain why.

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Speaker 2: I think once you survive those you're surviving a lifetime together,

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Speaker 2: aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we're thirty five years now, is that right? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I think it's proven the test of time

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Speaker 5: Here a little noise and gun Graham.

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Speaker 3: And wolverines, bears, moose real those with babies, yes, very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Wow, oh yeah, they would be protecting their young and yeah,

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Speaker 2: all of that, Oh well, that's big adventures so did

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Speaker 2: you grow up and did you grow up in an

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Speaker 1: To talk about those years now, I.

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Speaker 5: Was regarded as a total odd ball.

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Speaker 1: Were you and your family?

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Speaker 2: And so how did you get because you started, you know,

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Speaker 2: did you just find that is your happy space when

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Speaker 4: I think the main thing is that as a child

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Speaker 4: I realized I was scared of everything, scared of just

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Speaker 4: unnatural things. And one day, I think about eleven, my

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Speaker 4: teacher said to me, Graham, you could be a great artist.

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Speaker 4: And up till then and I had been saying what

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Speaker 2: In my own it's kind of ironic when you're climbing

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Speaker 5: Just confronted it.

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Speaker 4: I just started going and climbing and saying it's scary,

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Speaker 2: And you met some fascinating people, I mean right throughout

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Speaker 1: But in those early years.

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Speaker 2: because it's not it's not like you kind of go

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Speaker 4: But for me it was I found the attitudes and

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Speaker 5: Started using it.

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Speaker 2: And you talk a lot about goal setting or you know,

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Speaker 2: motivates you to think about particularly about then this is

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Speaker 4: and pursue it until we've achieved it. But in my case,

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Speaker 4: that some extraordinary mountain ronical Cyclone Sinclair had run across

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Speaker 4: the Terros and seven hours and fourteen minutes.

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Speaker 5: And I wrote down my little.

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Speaker 4: Book beat cyclone Sinclair's record, and I did. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I agree with Chuse.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big goal setter and and a planner and

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing. But I also, you know, I

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Speaker 2: also challenge people. And you call them the gunners, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, like the next year comes along and they're

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Speaker 2: to go and do you know six months in America

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Speaker 1: But that so it's.

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Speaker 2: A reason not to But but yeah, you've got that

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Speaker 2: that combined now and you Joe kayaking, is it has

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Speaker 2: it always been your thing?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So going to talk about the first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd love that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was so shy. Was I was pathetic?

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Speaker 5: I would blush when I talked to a female.

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Speaker 2: But you found, but you found your thing and your

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Speaker 1: Do you like writing?

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Speaker 2: Okay, when we come back, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: I think the incredible work that you do for young people.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back in.

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Speaker 2: We are with Sir Graham Dingle and Joanne Wilkinson or

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we went to.

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Speaker 4: We said, well, you can built the wall around your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, and it really is trying to make

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Speaker 2: and young people. But you made the pledge, and hence

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Speaker 2: why the book is called the Promise on One Tree Hill.

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Speaker 1: Were you aware of that at the tie?

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Speaker 2: But you also sat in the book Graham, that it

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt that there were too many charities out

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Speaker 4: And so we'd measured the self efficacy of every kid

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Speaker 2: So there'll be people that don't know about the Graham

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Speaker 1: Let's explain it to people.

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Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty four, we have about twenty seven

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Speaker 1: Like the way we approach things. So it's.

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Speaker 3: It's in schools, in the primary schools, it's all of school,

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Speaker 2: It's those and so is it almost a curriculum that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just someone telling them they're good at something. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And the r K program remains, which is more targeted

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So why do we need you, you know, like,

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Speaker 5: But I don't.

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Speaker 4: Believe that it's just counseling that sorts the issues out.

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Speaker 4: It's a long term intervention that shows the kids that

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Speaker 4: business and is just going for it.

452
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Speaker 1: He is he was a Project A graduate, I really

453
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: and so Project CA.

454
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: So you still do the wilderness component of it, and

455
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: you say in the book that there's kind of that

456
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: evidence that it needs like twenty days. So you do

457
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: this sort of three weeks where you're taking them out

458
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: of their comfort zone and then but then you can't

459
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: just bring them back and put them back in the

460
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: same environment for change. It is that long term mentoring

461
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: that you were saying, joan.

462
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: Nurture them into the community that they have to live in,

463
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 4: show them the value of school, and then gradually into

464
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: life purpose.

465
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: So why are so many of our kids broken?

466
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: I think that we have this condition called a.

467
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's effectively adverse childhood.

468
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 4: Yes, that's experience experience, so I can see violence. It

469
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: tizes them to the point where they become by themselves.

470
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: And I don't think we've acknowledged that we have that

471
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: level of.

472
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: It's not just violence, though, is it It's it's physical violence.

473
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: I think it's it's multifested. I think there's poverty is

474
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: a huge issue, and you can't just say there's one factor.

475
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: And right back to babies.

476
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: I used to say to people, and you know, if

477
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: you're if you're a wee baby, that's not getting picked up,

478
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: it's not getting nurtured, it's not getting food when you

479
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: really need it. That's got chaos, you know, around them,

480
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: and that's when that little brain is wiring up. Then

481
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: the connections just can't be made as strong. And then

482
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: as that continues, you can see these children just genuinely

483
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: struggling to even understand the chaos that's in their lives

484
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: to then find their own path through its. Yeah, but.

485
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: I find find it astonishing that we don't wrap up

486
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: around people who can make a difference. Well, we met

487
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: with David Telly the other morning to say how can

488
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: we support each other. There's a who's crucial to South Auckland.

489
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: He shouldn't be losing funding. It's just not right.

490
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: And is that part of the biggest challenges that you've got.

491
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean we talk all the time.

492
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: You know, running a charity, running a not for profit

493
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: organization and trying to get the level of funding that

494
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: you need is just constant, isn't it.

495
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: Certainly as in an economic environment like this, it's you know,

496
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: many many charities are struggling and we're not different.

497
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: No, and you're seeing the effects of that. Well, you're

498
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: worried about the effects of that, Like you've had a

499
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: reduction in funding. And it doesn't just come from government,

500
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: does it.

501
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I mean we're a very small proportion from government. Yeah,

502
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: you like it to be a bit more.

503
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

504
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: The key to it is having a list of rules

505
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: that you don't break so you have the best possible

506
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: possible governance. Every step you take, you say, is the

507
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: sustainable behavior. You make sure you surround yourself with the

508
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: best possible people to deliver the outcomes. You prove your outcomes,

509
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 4: don't pretend that this works.

510
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 5: So it's very important to have this list of rules

511
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: that you don't go around.

512
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: But how frustrating is it when you have got proven

513
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: outcomes and over a long period of time. Now it's

514
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: not like it's been a couple of years, over a

515
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: long period of time, and it's perhaps not getting recognized

516
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: at the level of funding that you deserve so that

517
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: you can keep supporting these children and young people.

518
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 4: Yes, totally frustrating. We had the most effective youth offender

519
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: program in the country by far eighty seven percent successful.

520
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: And this is extraordinary.

521
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: I mean I've been fortunate enough to have seen that

522
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: program multiple times and new Stephen and and that who

523
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: ran it, and in that context, just for those that

524
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: are listening, these are kids that are on the edge

525
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: of going to Yeah, the next day is present. These

526
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: are just making the point that this is not this

527
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: is not the kid that stole a lolly from the dairy,

528
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: you know, these are these are hard young offenders.

529
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

530
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: So at a time when we're saying let's get heart

531
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: on chrome, is there any logic in that you say

532
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: that program will stop?

533
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, right when you need it the most.

534
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 5: Let's spring in boot camps and frustrating.

535
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just to see it.

536
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: So when you you know, like as you said of

537
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: mentioned the book camps and we're talking a lot about

538
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: youth offending and actually in recent times as well, we've

539
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: seen youth on the on the roof of one of

540
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: our youth justice facilities, you know, and we're all pretty

541
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: quick to judge at times. What would what would your

542
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: advice be to people out there that are either a

543
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: worried about someone or judging someone or reading all this

544
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: stuff and just thinking, well, every young person's going to

545
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: hell in a hand basket, and I should build a

546
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: big fence around my house and not engage.

547
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: Don't think about punishment, Think about how you can help

548
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: that young person.

549
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: You don't know what their background situation has been, and

550
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: it's getting to the root cause that's going to solve

551
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: the issue for each young person as opposed to punishment.

552
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've really got to check out with this.

553
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: True or not.

554
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: But I was reading about this village in the UK,

555
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: you know, in this tiny village, and they were worried

556
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: about the youth were out of control and them were

557
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: starting to you know, bloody rat bags, and they're starting

558
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: to cause problems, and there's graffiti, and they're rude and

559
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: they're losing respect. And so they called the town meeting

560
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: and what they decided they would do is lean in

561
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: and look these kids in the eye and engage with

562
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: them and smile and invite them into their homes for

563
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: meals and do all these sorts of things. So kind

564
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: of this whole little village all decided they do it.

565
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 2: And of course, a few weeks later, the kids are

566
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: just like, what the heck is going on? So instead

567
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: of leaning out, they leaned in. You know, I like

568
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: so instead of going on pointing the finger and doing

569
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: all of that and punishing, they decided instead that.

570
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: They would solve us with love effectively.

571
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like actually it's not them and us,

572
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: it's all of us.

573
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I always love that. So what's next?

574
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: What's next?

575
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: As faras the programs, So you've got Chief, except you

576
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: are Chief accepted for quite some time.

577
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: You go six years, yeah yeah, and.

578
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: Then you've got some wonderful people in the organization, extrawdinary.

579
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: And we're surrounded by incredible people outside of the organization

580
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 4: who just want to support us. And without then we

581
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: simply couldn't have kept going. But this year we have

582
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: expanded into the Kuiper Oh great, the support of an American.

583
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: Family working directly with EWE, which is novel for us

584
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: and very exciting.

585
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic and what And that's putting the mount in

586
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: the wilderness.

587
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: That's project not Project K yet.

588
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 3: We're waiting on funding, okay from a government fund actually

589
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: and potentially private funding. But we do have the Caine

590
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: Foundation funding for the Key we Can program in the

591
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: primary schools and the whole of secondary career Navigator Star.

592
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: So we've got kids all the way through. So it's

593
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: about eleven hundred kids started this year.

594
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Got it's a lot.

595
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: Well, it's almost every kid in three communities.

596
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: And so you're literally kite predicted to Dunedin and the cargo. Yeah.

597
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: And so to those of us out there you sort

598
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: of say in the book that you think it's everybody's responsibility.

599
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?

600
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: It's very easy to look at homeless people in your

601
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: community and say, there, they are not my responsibility, they

602
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: are our responsibility. And as I end at the back,

603
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: Eye mentioned some groups that we have seen in our

604
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: community that don't have anywhere to go. And I mean

605
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: just the other day we were coming back from walking

606
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 4: our dogs in the park and we sought this big

607
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: family living in a small van, and we thought about

608
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: it for a little while and we you know, people

609
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: don't have much cash now, but about twenty bucks and

610
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 4: went back and said, get yourself some fish and chips,

611
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: and the joy in that family, all the kids jumping

612
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: up and down and go whoaships.

613
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: The small things can be as significant as the big one.

615
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: Say, and even with drawing judgment.

616
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: I often say to people as well, you know, before

617
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: you before you stand there and judge the young woman

618
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: or the baby on it happened the other one and

619
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: bare feet in the shop.

620
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: That's, you know, trying to cope with all of this

621
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: before you judge that, just you. I've got no idea what's.

622
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: Happening in her life, absolutely no idea of the hell

623
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: that she's probably going through. And she probably can't afford

624
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: to give those kids a lot, no, Yeah, so why

625
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: not instead offered to actually hold one of the children.

626
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: And actually pay for her milk? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah,

627
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 1: because she's probably not feeling that good about life.

628
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, the example, I mean, those kids might remember that,

629
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: just for a long time, and that could make her

630
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: great difference.

631
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're giving up, hope you can remember that

632
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: there are people out there that genuinely see you and care.

633
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

634
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I wish you all the best, as I

635
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: always do, and I thank you for what you're doing

636
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: and for the dedication that you've both given. And I

637
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: mean that, you know, like it could have been easy

638
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: to have just sort of come back and kept going

639
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: on your own adventures and lived a pretty ordinary life,

640
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: and instead you've come back and used the skills that

641
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: you've got to live an extraordinary one for other people.

642
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, you're one of the people who is

643
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 4: really shun support.

644
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 5: Thank you.

645
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I like to try and do practical things. Yeah to.

646
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: In this segment, though, I'd like to know from both

647
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: of you, really, what do you think is some of

648
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: the best advice you've had? Because you've been given a bat,

649
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: haven't you. Well, you don't always take it though you're

650
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: a stubborn stubborn.

651
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: Or you know him, you've met him. I'm cryme for.

652
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: I think this was the hardest question, not better being asked.

653
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: But I go back to when I was twenty, I

654
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 4: fell off an ice flunt and hurt myself quite badly,

655
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: and I limped up to my mother and said, is

656
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: my dream to become a great mountaineer?

657
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 5: The dream of a mad person?

658
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: And she looked at me the quite alarmed look on

659
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: her face. Said, when I was pregnant with you, I

660
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: had this desired climb hills, and when you were born

661
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: it completely left me. And I've always been concerned that

662
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: it would be a mountaineer. But I accept it and

663
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: I think you should go for it.

664
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's saying, it's in your DNA, it's ingrained in

665
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: whom you.

666
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: Are extraordinary advice, and through that I learned about myself.

667
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: I like it. What about you, Joe?

668
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: I think the thing that springs to mind for me

669
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: is as someone in my twenties, same sort of age. Interestingly,

670
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: I found myself kind of of trying to be something

671
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: I thought people would want, you know. But I found

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Speaker 3: myself telling little porkies to be that person and caught

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Speaker 3: myself doing it, and I thought, actually, I don't really

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Speaker 3: like that, and I so the advice I gave myself

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Speaker 3: was be who you say you are, don't be who

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Speaker 3: you think other people want you to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's wrong, right, That's powerful in its own

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Speaker 2: right because and we can see it more now with

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Speaker 2: social media and things that people are trying so hard

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Speaker 2: to please everybody else.

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Speaker 1: And show the pictures of what a perfect.

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Speaker 2: Life you're living, and yet in some respects they're probably

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Speaker 2: more isolated and more a lonely exactly. Yeah, Okay, well

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Speaker 2: I'm only asking, and this is called ask me anything.

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Speaker 1: So you both, Oh gosh, I'm reluctant to do this.

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Speaker 1: You get to ask me something, got anything in mind?

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Speaker 4: Graham?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Do you feel full fulled?

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Speaker 4: You've had an extraordinary life so far, and it's only

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Speaker 4: not even halfway through. Do you feel happy and fulfilled?

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I kind of don't do the happy, do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I just sort of think, eh,

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Speaker 2: you know, some days yes, and some moments not.

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Speaker 1: You know, So I've sort of I don't. I've tried not.

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Speaker 2: I think in my earlier years it was like, am

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Speaker 2: I happy and I've got to be happy? Now it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: I can be grumpy and just sit and read Graham's

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Speaker 2: book for the day and not talk to anyone if

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Speaker 2: I want to, and that's perfect and I'm perfectly happy

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Speaker 2: doing that. So I'm haay being unhappy at times, so

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Speaker 2: in that way, but I think fulfilled is a different thing,

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Speaker 2: and so I kind of want to say no, but

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Speaker 2: only because I feel like there's still something else in

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Speaker 2: and I think that so am my content and my

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I'm in a great relationship,

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Speaker 2: I'm an interesting work and things, but I still have

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Speaker 2: a burning desire to give back and a burning desire

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Speaker 2: to do something, And so you know, I'm not sorry.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I would say I'm fulfilled. I think

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Speaker 2: I can be filled up more.

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Speaker 1: Long way at last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well for everyone, right, you know, particularly you

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Speaker 2: know I I don't think we value our older people

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Speaker 2: enough quite frankly. We sort of think that you get

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Speaker 2: to an age and you're done, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: I've learned quite a lot in these fifty five years,

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Speaker 2: and I've probably got still a bit to do. When

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Speaker 2: you've both learned a lot in your years, we've still

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Speaker 2: got a lot to offer and a lot to give. Yeap, good, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Graham and Joan, thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find out more about the Graham Dingle Foundation?

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Speaker 1: So just Dingle Foundation in ze yep.

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Speaker 2: Just go and have a look at all the programs,

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Speaker 2: look at how they can get involved. If you've got

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Speaker 2: someone you're worried about, look at how you might be

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Speaker 2: able to connect in there as well. Graham's book, The

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Speaker 2: Promise on One Tree Hill is in stores.

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Speaker 1: Now. What I can say to everyone is well, it's

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Speaker 1: a real book.

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Speaker 2: So it's heavy, and it's got a hard cover, and

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Speaker 2: the page is a beautiful to turn because I just,

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Speaker 2: you know, we get into that habit of them all

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Speaker 2: being a little bit on a kindle or light and

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Speaker 2: this is one that you really genuinely want to buy.

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Speaker 2: So that's it for another episode of Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 2: If you've enjoyed this episode, please follow Ask Me Anything

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Speaker 2: you check out some of our past fabulous guests while

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Speaker 2: you're there. I'll be back next Sunday with another interesting person.

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Speaker 1: I'm Paul being Ask Me Anything. Goodbye,