Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.
Speaker 2: The house is a hole even when it's dark, even
Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when
Speaker 2: the dog is too old to borrow, and when you're
Speaker 2: sitting at the table trying not to start and scissor
Speaker 2: home even when we are band gone, even when you're
Speaker 2: there alone. The house is a home, even when those goes,
Speaker 2: even when.
Speaker 3: You got around from the world you love your most.
Speaker 2: Screams bulding plans, being in fund the world locals vesta
Speaker 2: when they're gone, leaving them house, even when Wilbane eating
Speaker 2: when you're elone.
Speaker 4: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the
Speaker 4: Resident Builder on Sunday you with peterwolf Camp Resident Builder,
Speaker 4: and this is a show well really exactly for you.
Speaker 5: If you are.
Speaker 4: Renovating, altering, maintaining, building planning, thinking, musing around any sort
Speaker 4: of building project that you would like to discuss, well,
Speaker 4: this is the show for you. Oh, eight hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you'd
Speaker 4: like to text, You're more than welcome to do that
Speaker 4: as well. That's nine two nine two is ZBZB from
Speaker 4: the mobile phone and if you'd like to email me
Speaker 4: by all means Pete at newstalksb dot co dot in seed.
Speaker 4: Trust that you've had a really good week. If you've
Speaker 4: been involved in a project of any size or scale,
Speaker 4: then I hope that it's been successful for you. I
Speaker 4: hope that it's been there's been some progress, some real
Speaker 4: progress on a project that you might be undertaking. And
Speaker 4: maybe if it's not so much progress and you want
Speaker 4: to talk about that, then the lines are open, the
Speaker 4: number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Kind
Speaker 4: of been a busy old week for me. I've actually
Speaker 4: spent a bit of time and bumped into a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of people that listen to the show at the
Speaker 4: Home Show, which is currently on at the Auckland show
Speaker 4: Grounds at the moments. I've been hanging out with a
Speaker 4: couple of companies that I do some work with, so
Speaker 4: Ryobi and Bailey Tanks and the good people at Retrofit DG,
Speaker 4: so Metro Performance Glass, and sort of spent a bit
Speaker 4: of time and went on Thursday just to kind of
Speaker 4: just go and catch up with because over the years,
Speaker 4: I guess you get to know a bunch of people,
Speaker 4: So an opportunity to catch up with actually someone that
Speaker 4: we interviewed on show a little while ago, the head
Speaker 4: of the Master Plumbers Association for New Zealand's a bit
Speaker 4: of a catch up with them, caught up with the
Speaker 4: actually the newly installed head of Master Plumbers in Auckland,
Speaker 4: who's actually a plumber that I knew from sort of
Speaker 4: ten twelve years ago, Ben Maine, who's taken on that role.
Speaker 4: So interesting just to connect with people in a lot
Speaker 4: of discussion, of course, about what the state of the
Speaker 4: industry is, how busy people are or how quiet people are.
Speaker 4: We're getting people's take on some of the political side
Speaker 4: of construction at the moment. And I may have made
Speaker 4: this comment before, but I think it's still relevant. Is
Speaker 4: that I genuinely can't think of a time in the
Speaker 4: last ten years, certainly since I've been doing the show,
Speaker 4: but possibly even a little bit longer we're building and
Speaker 4: building issues have been as political as they are right now,
Speaker 4: in terms of governments proposing changes to building legislation, looking
Speaker 4: at the way that we fund infrastructure, these sorts of things.
Speaker 4: It's a fairly hot topic in terms of politics and
Speaker 4: the construction sector. Right now. But it's and in terms
Speaker 4: of sort of taking the pulse or the sense of
Speaker 4: the community, the building community out and about in the
Speaker 4: last couple of days, there's a there's not a rush
Speaker 4: to say, don't worry, it'll get better soon. I think
Speaker 4: there's still a real sense of caution, and I think
Speaker 4: some of the optimism that might have been there back
Speaker 4: in January that kind of by now we would have
Speaker 4: seen some green shoots, we would have seen some improvement.
Speaker 4: That horizon keeps being pushed out. You talk to almost
Speaker 4: any and I've probably had on a fifteen twenty discussions
Speaker 4: with people involved in either construction or in plumbing, electrical, sales, marketing,
Speaker 4: anything related to the construction sector, anyone who's running their
Speaker 4: own business moment, and there is still a sense that
Speaker 4: we've got a ways to go, that maybe maybe sort
Speaker 4: of you know, initially it was like first quarter of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, that whole survive to twenty five. Well,
Speaker 4: I think it feels like you might have to survive
Speaker 4: just a little bit further into twenty five. And there
Speaker 4: is and I say this with the greatest respect, a
Speaker 4: number of conversations. So I have these conversations with younger
Speaker 4: business owners and contractors who are going, this is really tough,
Speaker 4: you know, and it is. And then I have the
Speaker 4: same conversation with older ones, maybe some of my own generation,
Speaker 4: and similar gray hair, and there's a sense of well,
Speaker 4: we've been through it before. We had it in two
Speaker 4: thousand and seven, we had it in the mid nineties.
Speaker 4: I started building in nine eighty seven during the stock
Speaker 4: market crash. You know, there's lessons to be learnt out
Speaker 4: of this too, around how you manage your business and
Speaker 4: how you make sure that you're always ready for that
Speaker 4: rainy day, because sure as beans, it's coming. Oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty, let's rip into it. Anything to
Speaker 4: do with building, construction, regulation, rules, requirements, product selection. Actually,
Speaker 4: I spent a couple of minutes yesterday. I saw this
Speaker 4: new tool, a tool that I don't have, which is
Speaker 4: a little bit unusual, online the other day and now
Speaker 4: I won't tell you what it is yet, but I've
Speaker 4: been fossicking around and then it struck me. I was
Speaker 4: looking at it's quite a simple sort of thing. I thought, actually,
Speaker 4: maybe I can just make one. I found one in
Speaker 4: the States, and I found one in Australia. Of course,
Speaker 4: you find it on TMU and that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I could make that, which I might
Speaker 4: do this week, made some other things. We'll talk about
Speaker 4: that too. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, let's
Speaker 4: get into it. Good morning, Welcome to the show. In
Speaker 4: the next hour, Jay, our painting expert from Razine Paints,
Speaker 4: will be with us as well, So seven twenty five,
Speaker 4: Jail join us. If you've got any specific painting questions,
Speaker 4: text them through to me now, we'll line them up
Speaker 4: and we'll we'll have a go with Jay at seven
Speaker 4: twenty five this morning, and of course, as always we're
Speaker 4: into the garden with red claim pass. Come eight thirty
Speaker 4: this morning. Welcome, Welcome, welcome, looking forward to chatting with
Speaker 4: you this morning. It is time for your calls. Oh,
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number Aaron, Good morning, Good.
Speaker 5: Morning, Pete. How are you a friend?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not too bad. What about yourself?
Speaker 5: Oh made a little bit a little bit grumpy on
Speaker 5: the apes. The staff has played well, you know, so
Speaker 5: we've got to give it to them.
Speaker 4: I don't often give it to them, but I happened
Speaker 4: to be up at halftime and check the Herald website
Speaker 4: and saw AB's a leading I was like, Okay, well
Speaker 4: I better go back to bed now. But now, well
Speaker 4: maybe I should have stayed up. Yeah, anyway, what can
Speaker 4: we do? What are we talking about?
Speaker 5: Very very quickly, you may remember I had a conversation
Speaker 5: with him a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4: We got a batch your family.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the obviously cyclelled. Gabriel came through and jib
Speaker 5: and and all that sort of stuff. We're ripping out
Speaker 5: and we're putting back and like for life can I
Speaker 5: sort of said to you, then, what do we need
Speaker 5: to do contenting or is it anything we need to do.
Speaker 5: When we had a bit of a chat, we pretty
Speaker 5: much assumed you and I that that we're pretty sweet.
Speaker 5: Remember my little barrister brother that's getting.
Speaker 4: A bit, Yeah, he's on the whole thing, on the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Anyway, when I hung up, no, No, I heard
Speaker 5: your next caller talking about waterproofing, waterproofing the shower somewhere
Speaker 5: where it was, and you made the point anything yet,
Speaker 5: I'll have to get a consent on that. And then
Speaker 5: I was just like, hang on, we're doing do we
Speaker 5: have to get a consent for the waterproofing of the
Speaker 5: shower that's being replaced to the shower that's been ripped out.
Speaker 4: If what Now, let's just be very very clear. The
Speaker 4: shower that's there currently is a tile shower over a substrate,
Speaker 4: so over five a cement board or something like that,
Speaker 4: and it's it's all been formed, it's been waterproofed, and
Speaker 4: then it's been tiled over the top. Right, what's there, No.
Speaker 5: It's just it's been ripped out. Now, what's sitting there
Speaker 5: is basically, you know, a space for your tray to
Speaker 5: go in and do what it needs to do, and
Speaker 5: but some pieces and yeah it's not even a tiled area.
Speaker 4: No, but what was there? What was the originally what
Speaker 4: was the original shower?
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking it was out and sleep out. You
Speaker 5: just face it was a brand new step into a job,
Speaker 5: you know sort of PBC bottom okay, glass, you know
Speaker 5: all that sort of.
Speaker 4: So this is where it gets interesting. So that type
Speaker 4: of shower, which effects will call a pre formed shower. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's a shower unit. It's got a tray, it's
Speaker 4: got a liner, it's got some doors which are part
Speaker 4: of the kits sett and it's got some instructions. Right,
Speaker 4: So that's considered low risk. Right, they typically are fairly robust,
Speaker 4: they don't tend to leak if you install them correctly,
Speaker 4: and so they can be installed without triggering the requirement
Speaker 4: for a building consent. But if you were to go, actually,
Speaker 4: i want it to be a bit flash, So I'm
Speaker 4: going to create some fall on the floor and I'm
Speaker 4: going to do a waterproof membrane. I'm going to tile
Speaker 4: over that. Then that triggers the requirement for a building
Speaker 4: consent because there is a there is more complexity in that,
Speaker 4: and there is more potential for failure, and typically the
Speaker 4: failures are not as obvious until you have, you know,
Speaker 4: significant damage in the wall. So for those reasons, that
Speaker 4: triggers the requirement for building consent. So if you know
Speaker 4: and put another pre made shower in, just go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah any fine, Yeah, I think we're heating down the
Speaker 5: child route and making a nice wet area and all
Speaker 5: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: You know that will require a consent. Yeap, tick one
Speaker 4: to the brother in law. Yeah great, all the best,
Speaker 4: take care all the Then eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 4: is the number to call. I'm just going to have
Speaker 4: a quick look at this text before we go to
Speaker 4: the break. There was a report on z B the
Speaker 4: other day that looked at earnings across the trades till
Speaker 4: the age of forty five. Builders actually earned the least overall,
Speaker 4: with digger drivers earning the most. Interesting times from Tony, Tony,
Speaker 4: we could have a lot of discussion around the relative
Speaker 4: rates of pay for the responsibility. I'm going to add
Speaker 4: that in there for trade various trades. And look, if
Speaker 4: you ever get a bunch of you know, smoko on
Speaker 4: a site with a sparky and a plumber and a
Speaker 4: drain layer and a chippy, this will come up and
Speaker 4: in a nutshell. The argument has always been that carpenters
Speaker 4: or the lead contractor is underpaid given the responsibility that
Speaker 4: they have for the site. So I was looking at
Speaker 4: some pricing for a job the other day. Sort of
Speaker 4: leading hand on a project would be paid between sixty
Speaker 4: five and seventy five dollars an hour. Carpentry now plumbers
Speaker 4: rates with respect probably anywhere between ninety and one hundred
Speaker 4: and ten dollars per hour. Sparky probably about the same,
Speaker 4: and I suppose they. I guess what's interesting is Sparky's
Speaker 4: obviously are a registered trade in the sense that they
Speaker 4: can issue a certificate of compliance to COC at the
Speaker 4: end of it. Plumbers obviously are registered as well, but
Speaker 4: plumbers still need to have their work inspected by counsel,
Speaker 4: although that might change. That was a bit of an
Speaker 4: insight after having a discussion with a couple of people
Speaker 4: at the home show this week, and then drain layers,
Speaker 4: for example, are self certified, or gas fitters rather are
Speaker 4: self certifying. So but the argument has always been look
Speaker 4: typically the carpentry people on site or the head carpenter
Speaker 4: on a job, is the one who often ends up
Speaker 4: kind of project managing and having response ability for the
Speaker 4: other trades, ensuring not necessarily ensuring their compliance, but ensuring
Speaker 4: that their works up to standard, monitoring their work, programming
Speaker 4: their work, et cetera, et cetera, and their rate is
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty thirty dollars less. Anyway, someone might have picked
Speaker 4: on a scab that is obviously not quite healed. In
Speaker 4: my life, it is eighteen nineteen minutes after six. If
Speaker 4: you've got a question of a building nature, oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Take
Speaker 4: a break. We've got some spear lines, so jump in now.
Speaker 4: And remember if you've got any specific painting questions, please
Speaker 4: text them through nine two ninety two. J Our painting
Speaker 4: expert from Razine will join us at seven twenty five
Speaker 4: this morning. I have to say too, it was nice
Speaker 4: catching up with the people from Life Force Solar who
Speaker 4: sponsor this program. They're at the Home Show as well,
Speaker 4: and just an opportunity to catch up and chat and
Speaker 4: talk about solar and where it's heading and what's attractive
Speaker 4: about it at the moment and the technology that's coming.
Speaker 4: So that was good fun as well. Lots of people
Speaker 4: to talk to at the Home Show. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I went to do work there on Friday and then
Speaker 4: but I ended up stopping by on Thursday, kind of
Speaker 4: mooching around and just catching up with a bunch of
Speaker 4: people Nano Clear for example, who have been on the
Speaker 4: show once or twice over the years, the people from
Speaker 4: a Sea of Fires, and we've talked to them over
Speaker 4: the years as well, So a bit of a catch
Speaker 4: up there and looking at new fireplaces that they're developing.
Speaker 4: And they're also involved in that Fire for Life project.
Speaker 4: Look that up. Actually, Fire for Life is a fantastic
Speaker 4: initiative out of the Sea factory in Dunedin providing essentially
Speaker 4: safe and practical cooking solutions for people that are displaced
Speaker 4: and we're thinking refugee camps and that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: It's worth having a look at. So yeah, great opportunity
Speaker 4: to mooch around and catch up with people. I also
Speaker 4: did my album VP Renewal this week talking about trades
Speaker 4: and what trades have to do. So I'm a licensed
Speaker 4: building practitioner and have been since twoenty twelve, I think
Speaker 4: is when I first got licensed. And then the requirement
Speaker 4: is that every year have to renew your license. In
Speaker 4: every two years you have to fulfill some obligations in
Speaker 4: terms of learning professional development effectively. And I'll run you
Speaker 4: through what that is because it's probably a bit of
Speaker 4: an insight as to how do people get to be
Speaker 4: an LBP and then how do they stay in LBP.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that in the moment. Clayton, good morning
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 6: Yes, good morning Peter Bone. Justus ringing because I was
Speaker 6: quite amazed. I have a house which was built in
Speaker 6: two thousand and three, Yes, and it does have double
Speaker 6: glazed windows.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 6: However, when I I've got the windows that are obviously
Speaker 6: failing now when I looked up on Google, I saw
Speaker 6: that double glazed windows only have a lifespan of something
Speaker 6: around fifteen to twenty years, and then like they fail
Speaker 6: at that stage, And that is what's happened with a
Speaker 6: couple of windows which are on the north side of
Speaker 6: my house. But when I say they've failed, you can see,
Speaker 6: no matter how much I clean them inside and outside,
Speaker 6: the dirt is obviously on the inside there's a big
Speaker 6: round mark that looks like it may be a sucker.
Speaker 4: On the inside. Yes, okay, when the go ahead.
Speaker 6: And when they've numbered the glass, they've obviously had a
Speaker 6: pean of some sort and they've numbered the glass, and
Speaker 6: you can still they've cleaned it off, but it's itched
Speaker 6: into the glass on the inside. I can tell it
Speaker 6: one seven five and one seven six, right. And I
Speaker 6: was actually quite amazed because I felt that double glazed
Speaker 6: windows would have been sort of a lifetime thing rather
Speaker 6: than only having a lifespan of fifteen to twenty years.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's step through a whole bunch of things here,
Speaker 4: because you raised some really interesting points. Look, I think
Speaker 4: in terms of seeing a sucker mark, and that's that's
Speaker 4: those justice that they use to move glass around, right,
Speaker 4: if there's a remnant of that on the inside of
Speaker 4: the glass, then that's an issue with quality control in
Speaker 4: the factory, right, and that's inexcusable, right. But I also
Speaker 4: understand that back then, and while it doesn't seem like
Speaker 4: a long time ago to you and I, it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's twenty one years ago, how double glazed units in
Speaker 4: general were and were manufactured is quite different to what
Speaker 4: I've seen today. So and I'll step you through that
Speaker 4: in a moment, and things like pen marks and that
Speaker 4: sort of thing that's all about quality control the other
Speaker 4: thing that has changed quite dramatically. And I've seen this
Speaker 4: even in the time that I've been involved with I
Speaker 4: do quite a bit of work with Metro Performance Glass,
Speaker 4: who make double glazing units, right, and so having been
Speaker 4: out to the factory probably seven eight years ago, the
Speaker 4: way in which they assemble the double glazed units is
Speaker 4: quite different today than even back then, and that it
Speaker 4: would have been radically different to twenty one years ago,
Speaker 4: where it would have been a much more manual process.
Speaker 4: So that spacer that goes between the two double glazed
Speaker 4: units would typically have been in a role it would
Speaker 4: have been hand fastened you know, with a bead of
Speaker 4: sealant and so on embedded on there and cut individually,
Speaker 4: there's lots of touching and movement and so on. The
Speaker 4: modern day systems, or the systems that are in the
Speaker 4: factory today, the ones i've seen, anyway, it is completely automated.
Speaker 4: So it's a hands free process. And that's an automated
Speaker 4: process where the glass comes along, it's going along on
Speaker 4: a conveyor. It's not touched by human hands in anyway.
Speaker 4: The bead is applied as a continuous motion by in
Speaker 4: a robotic sense, and then it goes into a cleansing process.
Speaker 4: The air that's in it is dumped out, replaced with
Speaker 4: the gas, and then the two pieces are fastened together
Speaker 4: and then they come out of the system. So I
Speaker 4: think the way in which units are manufactured today is
Speaker 4: far better than what they would have been in two
Speaker 4: thousand and three. And I think sometimes when you have
Speaker 4: those manual processes, you will get a failure there in
Speaker 4: double glazed units. It's not terribly common, but I have
Speaker 4: seen it myself. Right what you're describing.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 4: If I was to say a double glazed unit has failed,
Speaker 4: what I would say is I've seen condensation on the inside.
Speaker 7: So the.
Speaker 4: Inside the double glaze unit, back in the day, you
Speaker 4: just fill it with air, right the air that we breathe,
Speaker 4: and that works. Today it's filled with gas, so it's
Speaker 4: an argonne gas or other types of gases which help
Speaker 4: with the insulation, but also they help with the longevity
Speaker 4: of the double glaze unit. And also there's what they
Speaker 4: call a desiccant inside the double glaze unit, and that
Speaker 4: helps control moisture. So if there's any moisture present inside
Speaker 4: the double glaze unit, you'll see condensation develop inside the unit.
Speaker 4: And like I would say, that's the failure of a
Speaker 4: unit is when you see condensation in it. The other
Speaker 4: thing too, is that in terms of requirement with the
Speaker 4: building code, many of these sorts of things have what
Speaker 4: they call a minimum warranty period. Right, So for example,
Speaker 4: your roof is only required by law to last for
Speaker 4: fifteen years, in the same way that you're cladding is
Speaker 4: only required to last fifteen years. Systems within a house
Speaker 4: are only required to last five years as a mandatory
Speaker 4: minimum requirement. What we've got to be careful about doing
Speaker 4: is saying that somehow we regard that is as long
Speaker 4: as it's going to last, and so in the same
Speaker 4: way that you'll find double glaze units that might fail
Speaker 4: after fifteen or twenty years. It's a rarity, but it
Speaker 4: does happen. What we will find as we go forward
Speaker 4: is that we might see double glaze units that are
Speaker 4: thirty and forty years old that are still functioning. Okay,
Speaker 4: but their requirement in terms of the building code and
Speaker 4: the durability requirements in the building code is often they
Speaker 4: are expected to perform for fifteen years, like a concrete
Speaker 4: tile roof or an iron roof or something like that,
Speaker 4: or an exterior cladding structures, for example, are required to
Speaker 4: perform for fifty years. So you're timber framing, lintels, all
Speaker 4: of those sorts of things, floor slabs, they're expected to
Speaker 4: last fifty years. Other things not so much. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So if I replace these this glass paneling and the doors, yeah,
Speaker 6: I can expect it to last a bit longer today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think too. I mean, funnily enough, I
Speaker 4: was actually with Metro Performance Glass on their stand and
Speaker 4: so we've we've got this little display with these heat boxes, right,
Speaker 4: So you put a different types of double glazing in
Speaker 4: a panel and then you have a heat lamp underneath it,
Speaker 4: and you can feel the difference below them. And so
Speaker 4: you know, when we're talking to people about double glazing,
Speaker 4: you kind of go, well, look, here's some of the differences.
Speaker 4: So having been to the factory, or at least to
Speaker 4: the Metro Glass factory, seeing it and seeing the I
Speaker 4: guess the standard of the manufacture. I think it's reasonable
Speaker 4: to expect that the double glaze units will last longer
Speaker 4: simply because the way that we put them together is
Speaker 4: better than we used to better. Okay, but certainly if
Speaker 4: you are yeah, great, nice talking with you as well.
Speaker 6: You explained it all.
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure you take care all of this. Blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The number
Speaker 4: coll just quickly. So as an LBP, so I'm a
Speaker 4: licensed building practitioner and my license classes are carpentry and
Speaker 4: site one and there's slight different requirements to be licensed
Speaker 4: in each of those And initially when you apply for
Speaker 4: your LBP license, you have to prove competency in those
Speaker 4: particular areas, and then that's investigated and then you're granted
Speaker 4: your license, and thereafter, every couple of years you have
Speaker 4: to renew your license. It used to be every two years.
Speaker 4: Now you have to renew every year one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty nine bucks and every two years you have to renew,
Speaker 4: or every alternate year you renew, and you have to
Speaker 4: prove learning. So you log into your into the website
Speaker 4: and then typically this is the process, right. So when
Speaker 4: I went on, I hadn't kept up with my skills maintenance.
Speaker 4: That's my problem, and so I had twenty articles that
Speaker 4: I had to read. They often come out of the
Speaker 4: Build magazine. You have to read the article and you
Speaker 4: have to answer a multi choice question three of them
Speaker 4: or four of them on each of those articles, and
Speaker 4: then as you pass those, it updates your skills register
Speaker 4: and once you've completed that, that's good. So I went through,
Speaker 4: read the articles, answered the questions, done, put that aside.
Speaker 4: Then it asks you for two pieces of on site learning.
Speaker 4: So you have to cite an example of a project
Speaker 4: that you've been involved with and what you learned from it.
Speaker 4: So I had to go back look at a building consent.
Speaker 4: Go look, this was a new type of cladding. I
Speaker 4: hadn't been involved with it before. Here's the code or
Speaker 4: the sectors of the code that it refers to here's
Speaker 4: the evidence that I've completed, et cetera. So I did
Speaker 4: that two examples of that. That's fine. And then and
Speaker 4: I have to prove fifteen hours of learning. So you
Speaker 4: have to provide evidence that you've been engaged in either
Speaker 4: online seminars or attending seminar. So you know, if they
Speaker 4: do a trade breakfast, for example, and there's some product
Speaker 4: suppliers there and you can learn about new products, you
Speaker 4: need to record all of that, provide evidence and go along. Now,
Speaker 4: in my instance, I'm in a fortunate position where I'm
Speaker 4: often attending conferences. So been to the New Zealand Suit
Speaker 4: of Building Survey, as I've been to construct. I went
Speaker 4: to the New Zealand Green Building Council, Housing sit all
Speaker 4: of these sorts of things, so I can add that
Speaker 4: in and say, look, this is what I've been involved in,
Speaker 4: this is my learning. To their credit, I actually put
Speaker 4: it in, paid my money and I got an email
Speaker 4: about an hour later saying here's your new LBP license.
Speaker 4: They don't actually send you out of plastic license anymore.
Speaker 4: It's basically a digital download, which helpfully enough has a
Speaker 4: QR code on it, so that if I was to
Speaker 4: go to one's house and say Hi, I'm Pete. I'm
Speaker 4: the LBP coming to do some work at your place.
Speaker 4: They could say can I see your license please, and
Speaker 4: then you could show them the license, show them the
Speaker 4: QR code and they could scan it to check whether
Speaker 4: you were actually licensed. Because all of this is on
Speaker 4: a public register. If you don't license, for example, or
Speaker 4: you let your license lapse, that stays on the public
Speaker 4: register as well. Also, if you end up having a
Speaker 4: complaint against you, that is, you've been found to have
Speaker 4: not complied with the regulations and you've gone to the
Speaker 4: disciplinary board and a complaint has been upheld, that will
Speaker 4: also stay on your license. Is either three or seven years.
Speaker 4: I think it's three years. Stays on your license as
Speaker 4: well on the public register.
Speaker 8: So there you go.
Speaker 4: That's a bit of an insight into being an LBP.
Speaker 4: To be fair, I'm pleased I had sort of half
Speaker 4: a day free to go through it. Anyway, I have
Speaker 4: done it, So there we go. BP number one two
Speaker 4: zero zero nine eight is all up today. Oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We'll
Speaker 4: take short break actually, and then we'll come to Allison.
Speaker 4: If you'd like to join US eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 4: eighty is the number your news talks there'd be Allison
Speaker 4: A very good morning, Oh good morning.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much for answering my questions today. I
Speaker 9: did actually ask you on the twenty fifth of August,
Speaker 9: and I tried to get to listen to your replies
Speaker 9: again on the podcast, but it didn't come through. So
Speaker 9: I've just spoken to your producer, yes technician, and he
Speaker 9: suggested I ask again, go for it. How do your
Speaker 9: test to smoke damage to paint, carpets, linen, et cetera.
Speaker 9: You said to me that time that visual wasn't enough.
Speaker 9: Is there a test?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think it's a test. That's a
Speaker 4: kind of DIY thing. I think what you'd need to
Speaker 4: do is either through your insurer or through a building
Speaker 4: consultant finds building scientists. There are, for example, there's quite
Speaker 4: a lot of remediation companies around now who specialize in
Speaker 4: flood and fire repair, and they will either have themselves
Speaker 4: in house or they will have consultants that they can
Speaker 4: use to do that sort of assessment. Right, So it's
Speaker 4: a proper technical process, it's a scientific process. There should
Speaker 4: be a testing regime and there should be an evidence
Speaker 4: based finding.
Speaker 9: I had a house fire and the smoke damage was
Speaker 9: pretty bad, very bad, and it's been cleaned, but I
Speaker 9: can still smell smoke, and so can other people.
Speaker 7: It's not just me.
Speaker 9: Do I have any rights of done under insurance guarantees?
Speaker 8: Can you?
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a really good one. Look, I think I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to think which piece of legislation this might
Speaker 4: come down to. I mean, in some ways it's around
Speaker 4: consumer guarantees, isn't it. You know, you have a contract
Speaker 4: with your insurer to provide insurance cover for your house,
Speaker 4: and if, for example, in that insurance cover as it
Speaker 4: relates to fire there, you know you'd have to go
Speaker 4: through and look at the fine print of your contract
Speaker 4: there and does that include complete remediation of fire damage?
Speaker 4: And does it define what is fire damage? So is
Speaker 4: fire damage only charring like where the fire actually incinerated
Speaker 4: an object? Or does fire Can the definition of fire
Speaker 4: damage be extended to smoke damage for example? Like it
Speaker 4: would be clear so if the fibrigade come in and
Speaker 4: they pour a bunch of water through your property and
Speaker 4: it damages things, that's related to the fire. So I
Speaker 4: would have thought that smoke and the effect of smoke.
Speaker 4: I either lingering smell is should be part of the remediation.
Speaker 4: And again I haven't I'm not firsthand involved in this,
Speaker 4: but I am involved with a project at the moment
Speaker 4: where we did have a fire in a building and
Speaker 4: then the remediation team that came provided a professional, science
Speaker 4: based assessment of the fire, not just the fire damage
Speaker 4: but the smoke damage, and then provided a essentially a
Speaker 4: template for the remediation of that. So, for example, we
Speaker 4: are going to do this in this particular room which
Speaker 4: didn't have any fire damage, but it was full of smoke.
Speaker 4: And you could tell, you know, five six, seven days afterwards,
Speaker 4: that this room had been full of smoke. And that's
Speaker 4: probably what you're describing, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Yes, you can very much see the evidence stayed right
Speaker 9: through the house of the rooms, and that was very
Speaker 9: obvious to see.
Speaker 4: It's for you, Allison. In the first instance, I'd probably
Speaker 4: go back to the insurance company. They'll probably put you
Speaker 4: onto the assessor and say to the assessor, look, I've
Speaker 4: got these concerns about the outcome of the remediation and
Speaker 4: ask them to provide you with to send someone who
Speaker 4: will do testing inside your house.
Speaker 9: It's the insurance company to that.
Speaker 4: Go to the insurance company and make that request. Now,
Speaker 4: if the insurance company don't respond or the assessor takes
Speaker 4: a well, look, if I delay this long enough, they'll
Speaker 4: stop asking me type of reproach and let's be blunt
Speaker 4: that happens. Then I would suggest that you have a
Speaker 4: look around maybe for a building consultant, so possibly someone
Speaker 4: who's a member of the New Zealand Institute of Building
Speaker 4: Surveys for example. So a company that I don't have
Speaker 4: any engagement with them, but Prendos for example in Auckland, right,
Speaker 4: they're building surveyors. They have the ability to send in
Speaker 4: teams that will do the fire remediation and do they'll
Speaker 4: contract in the testing. So you're looking for it, yep,
Speaker 4: that's what I would do.
Speaker 9: And then New Zealand what was the name of that?
Speaker 4: So if you have a look on the website for
Speaker 4: the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys, so just Building
Speaker 4: Surveyors dot org dot nz there will be consultants there
Speaker 4: who specialize in fire remediation. You could you could seek
Speaker 4: some advice there. But certainly I know that it is
Speaker 4: possible to have a professional come in test your property
Speaker 4: and give you a science based outcome that says this
Speaker 4: is the extent of the smoke damage, which then you
Speaker 4: could hand back to the insurer and go. Actually, as
Speaker 4: part of your remediation, I've got insurance cover. You need
Speaker 4: to come in and there's either specialist ways of cleaning
Speaker 4: it or in fact, you might have to strip out
Speaker 4: another room that wasn't fire damage but is smoke damaged
Speaker 4: and that's the only way to remove that smell. But
Speaker 4: you know, I know it requires a bit of pushing
Speaker 4: back against the insurer, but I think it's worth doing.
Speaker 9: Yes, So I'm not happy with how things are. That's
Speaker 9: why I've asked for your game. And as to cover
Speaker 9: smoke damage, the ceilings.
Speaker 10: Were black and gray.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they put on a ceiler and two top poats.
Speaker 9: Is that enough to stop it?
Speaker 4: It might be depending on the extent of the smoke damage, right,
Speaker 4: So you know, if for example, they came in did
Speaker 4: a really thorough clean, there's like there's special equipment in
Speaker 4: terms of oxygenating spaces that will help remove that odor
Speaker 4: from the smoke. And then they've applied very very specific
Speaker 4: types of paint that will encapsulate that smoke damage. But
Speaker 4: then they should also it's not unreasonable for you to
Speaker 4: go please provide me with the data sheets of the
Speaker 4: paint and a statement from the contractor has explained to
Speaker 4: me what they've done, right, that's not unreasonable. So the
Speaker 4: data sheet and you know, just request a statement from
Speaker 4: the contractor explaining what they've done. And then you know,
Speaker 4: like what guarantees are involved in that work? What's the warranty?
Speaker 4: So you've put on a paint that says that it
Speaker 4: will do this, what about if it doesn't do that?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: So, yeah, some of these things push back, but it once.
Speaker 4: I think if you don't get a reasonable response from
Speaker 4: your insurer or their assessor, then you may well need
Speaker 4: to contract a professional to argue on your behalf because
Speaker 4: it does get quite technical and they will probably be
Speaker 4: able to argue at a more technical level than you
Speaker 4: will be able to do. With the greatest respect, Oh,
Speaker 4: thank you very much. Let us know how you get
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 11: I can.
Speaker 9: I'm going to be New Zealand and Stute.
Speaker 4: Building Surveys have a look through there. There will be
Speaker 4: specialists in that area. But you know, in the first instance,
Speaker 4: before you end up spending your own money. I think
Speaker 4: it's not unreasonable to go back to your insurer and go, hey, look,
Speaker 4: I'd like you to provide me with some evidence that
Speaker 4: the remediation that you've done is of a suitable standard and.
Speaker 9: Your signs off. The certificate of compliance you spoke of.
Speaker 4: That would only be if any restricted building work was done,
Speaker 4: so you know, if for example, you had to get
Speaker 4: a consent, then you'll have a certificate compliance at the
Speaker 4: end of it, code compliance. If for any electrical work.
Speaker 9: This time around, you that I was entitled to ask
Speaker 9: for a certificate of compliance.
Speaker 4: I think that's more in terms of saying, look, I
Speaker 4: want a statement a little bit in the same way
Speaker 4: that I mentioned about the paint right, if they've said
Speaker 4: this paint system is going to work, then it's not
Speaker 4: unreasonable to ask for the data sheet and the warranty
Speaker 4: on that and get some evidence from the contractor that
Speaker 4: they've done what they said they were going to do
Speaker 4: and provide you with a letter stating that, and that
Speaker 4: effectively becomes a warranty on your part.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, thank you, good luck.
Speaker 4: All right, take care, Alison, all the very best. We
Speaker 4: need to, yes, we do. We need to take short
Speaker 4: break and then we'll be talking to Gail in just
Speaker 4: a moment. Just quickly, just following on from Ellison's comments,
Speaker 4: I just typed into good old Google smoke damage assessor
Speaker 4: and it brought up a whole bunch of contractors. Now,
Speaker 4: some of them are the people that will do the work.
Speaker 4: Others are the assessors who can do the testing. So Allison,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be terribly difficult to
Speaker 4: find a contractor to do that work or an assessor
Speaker 4: to come and do that work. Gail, A very good
Speaker 4: morning to you.
Speaker 12: Yes, hello, Gail. We've just comes back from our son's
Speaker 12: house and he said, quite nice you innovations. His new
Speaker 12: aluminium windows have condensation on the outside.
Speaker 4: Is that usual outside? Yes, that's perfect.
Speaker 12: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 4: That's exactly who we want our cold part of the
Speaker 4: window to be, right, We want it to be on
Speaker 4: the outside. So all of the talk at the moment
Speaker 4: around better insulating properties and so on is to make
Speaker 4: sure that the cold stays on the outside. If we've
Speaker 4: got a house that's at twenty degrees and it's ten
Speaker 4: degrees outside, for example, or fourteen degrees like it was
Speaker 4: in Auckland overnight. We want that to be on the outside.
Speaker 4: And so in that sense, that's exactly correct.
Speaker 12: Okay, all I wanted it spoils the view, that's all.
Speaker 4: Well, can I say? And I had a delightful conversation
Speaker 4: with a family while I was on the stand yesterday
Speaker 4: or the day before, rather about for years and years
Speaker 4: and years they lived in a house where every morning
Speaker 4: when they opened the window or open the blinds to
Speaker 4: look out at the view, they had the condensation on
Speaker 4: the inside. Right, So each time they had one of
Speaker 4: those little window back things and they suck up the condensation,
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. So I think having my view
Speaker 4: spoiled by the condensation being on the outside of the
Speaker 4: glass is far more desirable than having it on the
Speaker 4: inside of the glass.
Speaker 12: Located on the inside. Price for the renovation, right, And
Speaker 12: now they've put.
Speaker 4: In the DG and they've got it on the outside,
Speaker 4: then it's working. Then it's working, which is awesome, lovely,
Speaker 4: lovely to talk. Take care by then, Aaron, greetings to you.
Speaker 13: You could think, good God, we have a driveway or
Speaker 13: a long driveway property that's got a lot of paining.
Speaker 13: Now the retaining wall was put in A sixty six
Speaker 13: nineteen ninety six around there and just sort of down
Speaker 13: down the whole driveway, which is a long slope to
Speaker 13: driveway that the post of concrete did in yep, down
Speaker 13: the retainer. Well, now there's a lot of never starting
Speaker 13: to be cut off flat at the top. Yeah, starting
Speaker 13: to show age now, and some of them are starting
Speaker 13: to rock out on the top, and I'm thinking, right,
Speaker 13: it's not good.
Speaker 14: No, no, I want to.
Speaker 13: Start ceiling off the top to stop the rain getting
Speaker 13: into them.
Speaker 15: How can I do that?
Speaker 4: Okay, funny. I did this job, oh jeesz, ten fifteen
Speaker 4: years ago, working on a property, big long retaining wall,
Speaker 4: same thing right now, there's probably all sorts of seilents
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing that you can poke in there.
Speaker 4: I took a really pragmatic approach. I went and got
Speaker 4: some galvanized sheet. I cut it into some squares, I
Speaker 4: put it on top of the post. I scribed round
Speaker 4: it with a marker, and then I cut little slots
Speaker 4: into it and I bent them down. So you imagine
Speaker 4: like making a bottle cap, right, a cap, And I
Speaker 4: made caps for each one individually, and I pinned them
Speaker 4: on and then rain hits the top and it drains off.
Speaker 4: Problem solved.
Speaker 13: I've only got about one hundred and sixty to do that.
Speaker 4: Start today. Then look, you can get the post will
Speaker 4: already be treated, right. But you know the fact is
Speaker 4: the water sits on the top of the post, right,
Speaker 4: and so it's going to constantly be getting in there.
Speaker 4: So I would take a belt embraces approach and go, Actually,
Speaker 4: if you put a cap on it, water is not
Speaker 4: going to get in there. Do the treatment, but put
Speaker 4: a cap on it. That'd be the way to go.
Speaker 4: I've got to go to news, which is just a
Speaker 4: couple of seconds away. Here we go seven o'clock news.
Speaker 4: You always news talks. He'd be people camp with you
Speaker 4: this morning. Remember, at around seven twenty five this morning, Jay,
Speaker 4: our painting expert from Razine, is going to join us.
Speaker 4: So if you've got any specific painting questions, including this
Speaker 4: delightful one about trying to remove a film forming stain
Speaker 4: from a queler deck from Paul, I will put that
Speaker 4: to Jay from Razine at around seven twenty five this morning.
Speaker 4: Plenty of texts about the insurance as well, most of
Speaker 4: them saying look, I think it is you know the
Speaker 4: responsibility of the insurer in undertaking the remediation work to
Speaker 4: ensure that it's to a certain standard. And surely that
Speaker 4: standard would include not being able to smell smoke from
Speaker 4: the fire when you're back in the property after the remediation.
Speaker 4: And again, plenty of contractors online that you can use
Speaker 4: for that. Another quick one. We've got time for your
Speaker 4: calls right now. We're talking building all things, building, construction products, selections, regulations,
Speaker 4: tips and tricks. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You
Speaker 4: can call us now. Another text that came in good morning.
Speaker 4: We are currently using a building consultant to get consent
Speaker 4: for putting up a wall and making an extra bedroom.
Speaker 4: And while we're doing it, we are moving the toilet
Speaker 4: into the bathroom. We're also upgrading the bathroom and using
Speaker 4: beyond tiles. Now I had to read that twice. So
Speaker 4: beyond tiles is actually a system. In fact, I saw
Speaker 4: it at the home show on Friday when I was there,
Speaker 4: and they're using this beyond tiles system. As for the
Speaker 4: wall and the shower, it's a click together system, doesn't
Speaker 4: need a consent like an acrylic shower. I Acrylic showers
Speaker 4: don't typically require a consent either, but they are the
Speaker 4: consultant is telling us that we need to waterproof although
Speaker 4: the shower is closed in with a door and has
Speaker 4: a stainless steel tray with a full maker cover. Are
Speaker 4: they correct and making us get waterproofing? Look, a lot
Speaker 4: of these things come down to what the instructions, what
Speaker 4: the warranty or what the installation instructions, and the specification
Speaker 4: of the product that you're using says, And in this case,
Speaker 4: I had a quick lock online. The benefit of this
Speaker 4: particular system is that, No, you don't need to waterproof.
Speaker 4: The system itself is inherently waterproof. The way that the
Speaker 4: junctions go together make it water proof, and so the
Speaker 4: system the benefit of the system you don't need to waterproof.
Speaker 4: So if the building consultant is saying you need to
Speaker 4: waterproof that area like the shower enclosure, I would say
Speaker 4: that's because they haven't read the instructions for that particular
Speaker 4: system that you want to use. Now, you may need
Speaker 4: to waterproof the floor, for example, if you're doing tiles,
Speaker 4: but that's different to this, so I would say get
Speaker 4: them to go to the In fact, the simplest solution
Speaker 4: for the texture is get someone from the manifest the
Speaker 4: supply of the manufacturer to speak directly to the consultant
Speaker 4: to explain the fact that they don't seemingly need waterproofing
Speaker 4: for that right. I hope that helps. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Another
Speaker 4: quick text as well. Always wondered how you check for asbestos.
Speaker 4: Presumably you can't tell just by looking as an LBP.
Speaker 4: Do you ie me have some kind of kit or
Speaker 4: do people get it or do people get in? Do
Speaker 4: you get people in?
Speaker 13: Rather?
Speaker 4: That's from Chris Look. I think from experience you tend
Speaker 4: to get a sense of what types of products are
Speaker 4: likely to contain asbestos or have ACM A specials containing
Speaker 4: material within them. But the testing is laboratory based right now,
Speaker 4: And I actually met some people at a building conference
Speaker 4: a little while ago who do mobile testing. But this
Speaker 4: is more for large construction sites or large projects where
Speaker 4: they might have a need to continually test on site
Speaker 4: to ensure that the work carries on at pace. Typically,
Speaker 4: if I ever had a requirement to test a product
Speaker 4: before I was going to drill through it, cut it,
Speaker 4: remove it, etc. I would take a small sample and
Speaker 4: I would take it to an industrial chemist or a
Speaker 4: laboratory and have them test it for me looking at it,
Speaker 4: going oh, I think there is you know, fibers in there.
Speaker 4: I think it's asbestis. That's not reliable. It needs to
Speaker 4: tested in a laboratory and then get proper results back
Speaker 4: for that. Oh eight ten eighty the number to call Johnny,
Speaker 4: good morning to you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, good morning matey. The with the consultant requiring waterproofing.
Speaker 11: If someone's engaged a consultant to essentially design your bathroom
Speaker 11: for you, and they're saying that they require as part
Speaker 11: of the system waterproofing, but the tile product doesn't require waterproofing,
Speaker 11: it's still up to the consultant that you have engaged
Speaker 11: whether or not they require waterproofing. The thing is, if
Speaker 11: anything fails there, the person who engages the consultant can
Speaker 11: then take the consultant into court and then it's the
Speaker 11: consultant's fault essentially, So they're just safeguarding themselves. So the
Speaker 11: client could say, look, I don't want to put in
Speaker 11: waterproofing and I'll do it at my own risk. That's
Speaker 11: the option there, Or if you're engaging a consultant, you
Speaker 11: kind of have to do what the consultant says.
Speaker 4: But in this case, the consultant's wrong, So why would
Speaker 4: you do what the consultant's saying when they're just I mean,
Speaker 4: they're like, on this very specific issue, the manufacturer's details,
Speaker 4: the warranty, the speck and everything says this is a
Speaker 4: system that doesn't require waterproofing. So I'm not suggesting that
Speaker 4: not putting waterproofing in isn't beneficial, but it is absolutely
Speaker 4: not required. So why would you have a consultant tell
Speaker 4: you to do waterproofing when it's not required? Why would
Speaker 4: you listen to them?
Speaker 11: One hundred At the same time, the clients didn't actually
Speaker 11: need to engage a consultant to do these works on
Speaker 11: their place from what it sounds like. And I mean,
Speaker 11: I'm a I'm an LBP and a qualified carpenter and
Speaker 11: a qualified construction manager, And I see this on large
Speaker 11: jobs all the time, that the consultants go overboard with
Speaker 11: their design. But they're doing it because simply there's been
Speaker 11: so much comeback on the consultants and on the council
Speaker 11: over the years. For example, the leaky homes, the council's
Speaker 11: ending up paying for all that because they did the
Speaker 11: bare minimum now then, And another one is the seismic upgrades.
Speaker 11: The thirty percent rating for the commercial concrete buildings or
Speaker 11: block buildings. The council and the consultants are so scared
Speaker 11: that they're going well above and beyond to protect themselves.
Speaker 11: It's simply an ass covering exercise basically, to put it bluntly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just thinking about and obviously all I know
Speaker 4: is what the texter has said. So what they've said
Speaker 4: is we're currently using a building consultant to get consent.
Speaker 4: So possibly they've gone to someone for advice as to
Speaker 4: how to get a building consent, although I mean arguably
Speaker 4: typically what you would typically do is go to your designer,
Speaker 4: your LPP designer, and go, do me a set of
Speaker 4: plans that allow me to get a building consent. And
Speaker 4: if they specify, in this case, this beyond tiles system
Speaker 4: and that system doesn't require any additional waterproofing, then you
Speaker 4: put that in as you spec and you do what's
Speaker 4: on the spec.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And so
Speaker 11: the beyond tiles they guarantee their product, but the designer
Speaker 11: guarantees the whole system, like the rest of the bathroom,
Speaker 11: so their requirement is waterproofing behind it. So you're not
Speaker 11: just engaging beyond tiles. You're engaging another entity, and that
Speaker 11: other entity needs to also safeguard themselves. So part of
Speaker 11: the consultant system or the architects them, whoever it is,
Speaker 11: is that they require waterproofing. And this is what I'm saying,
Speaker 11: is that why.
Speaker 4: Are they requiring waterproofing when it's not required by the system.
Speaker 4: This is this is where this is breaking down, right,
Speaker 4: So what you're saying is that you know, in this instance,
Speaker 4: this consultant is advising a client that you can use
Speaker 4: the system, but you can't use it as it's specified.
Speaker 4: You have to use it as I specify it. Well,
Speaker 4: they're not the specifier. They're not there to make up
Speaker 4: the rules. All the consultants. Isn't there to make up
Speaker 4: the rules.
Speaker 11: The consultants using best practice. So best practice says, in
Speaker 11: your water in your in your bathroom, sorry, in your
Speaker 11: wet area, your wet area is to be waterproof.
Speaker 4: Yes you can water. But if the system that you're
Speaker 4: using is then one that inherently is waterproof, and they've
Speaker 4: got either co mark or brand's appraisal to prove that,
Speaker 4: why would you then say in this instance, no, they're
Speaker 4: not right. I'm right, we're going to waterproof it, which
Speaker 4: is probably not part of the system and possibly voids
Speaker 4: the warranty on the system because you've done something that's
Speaker 4: not part of the system. I just think there's something
Speaker 4: really broken about the logic of this particular contractor.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, to be honestly,
Speaker 11: because I get guys to I manage the guys that
Speaker 11: build this, and we deal with clients that lias with
Speaker 11: their own consultants, and we have to build to the
Speaker 11: consultant's design. And that simply comes down to that they're
Speaker 11: covering themselves.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And best practice across the board in most building in
Speaker 11: New Zealand says that you you must or you should
Speaker 11: should water proof your wet areas. Just been over to
Speaker 11: so over in other countries. I think that they're that
Speaker 11: they're they're a bit smarter about how they do things.
Speaker 11: I don't know if we always go the right way
Speaker 11: about building in New Zealand, but the systems that we've
Speaker 11: got are what we've got right and and and this
Speaker 11: is why people go to consultants. And the bathroom has
Speaker 11: always been historically risky area in terms of water leaching
Speaker 11: out from your your shower or your bath and rotting
Speaker 11: the timber out and frame them.
Speaker 4: But again, if if you and I go and look
Speaker 4: at a shower that's leaking right, typically we can tell
Speaker 4: within five minutes why it's leaked right. And it's it's
Speaker 4: not often about the system that was used. It's always
Speaker 4: about the installation. So for example, if you know, you
Speaker 4: go think about an old serotone shower and someone goes, oh, look,
Speaker 4: the bottom of the sheet is all bubbling, and you
Speaker 4: pull the sheet off and you find that they didn't
Speaker 4: put a primer on there, right, It's really clear in
Speaker 4: the instruction manual you prime around all of the cut edges.
Speaker 4: If you don't do that, water gets in, the product fails.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's like it's if we did it.
Speaker 4: Most of the systems actually work if you install them correctly.
Speaker 4: So the fact that so many people don't install them
Speaker 4: correctly then leads a consultant like this guy or girl
Speaker 4: with the greatest respect to then add all this extra
Speaker 4: stuff in because they're trying to accommodate the fact that
Speaker 4: people just don't listen to the instructions. So the problem
Speaker 4: is that when it's not. In many cases, it's not
Speaker 4: the system, it's the installation of the system. That's where
Speaker 4: we've got to get problem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Saying that we didn't have systems that were terrible. And look,
Speaker 4: you know, I think back thirty years ago, right, I
Speaker 4: was putting aluminium joinery onto fiber cement sheet board on
Speaker 4: the exterior of a building, and all that was required
Speaker 4: is that I pushed the window hard back against the
Speaker 4: fiber cement sheet and I put a beat of silicrent
Speaker 4: across the top and then they sprayed some stuff on
Speaker 4: top of it, and that was all that was required. Right,
Speaker 4: No head flashing, Da da da da da. Now we
Speaker 4: know that that failed, and that was a system and
Speaker 4: it failed. So you know, I'm not naiven saying that
Speaker 4: some systems didn't fail. But today, generally, you know, our
Speaker 4: systems are not bad. And I would say in ninety
Speaker 4: nine percent of cases, if you install it as per
Speaker 4: the system, it'll work.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 7: So so.
Speaker 11: With my study, and I studied for construction for going
Speaker 11: on with them in eleven years or something like that,
Speaker 11: we have a really bad problem in New Zealand. And
Speaker 11: that's that the client. So example, right as Fletcher's. Okay,
Speaker 11: Fletcher's go and quote for a couple of jobs there right,
Speaker 11: their QS is under quote. I don't know the absolute
Speaker 11: reason of why they priced these jobs so so low,
Speaker 11: to the tune of a couple of hundred million. They
Speaker 11: priced it low. Who ends up bearing the responsibility for that?
Speaker 11: Does the client end up bearing the responsibility for that? No,
Speaker 11: it's Fletcher's that ends up bearing the responsibility. And what's
Speaker 11: happened to Fletcher's now? That used to be I mean,
Speaker 11: that's New Zealand's largest construction company. They've been going for
Speaker 11: over one hundred years. Great company. I did a lot
Speaker 11: of work for them. They put me through my apprenticeship
Speaker 11: and in my studies it was said that, look, the
Speaker 11: client's going to start taking on more risk for these
Speaker 11: projects that the construction company is undertaking. That was years
Speaker 11: ago that I studied, like two thousands. It hasn't happened,
Speaker 11: you know.
Speaker 4: I think there are examples where you know that we're changing, Like, look,
Speaker 4: this becomes a really big topic and we could probably
Speaker 4: talk about it for a far too long, but look,
Speaker 4: I think I hear what you're saying now in terms
Speaker 4: of you know, there is a model, particularly with larger
Speaker 4: construction projects, where there's kind of the initial the client
Speaker 4: seeks a designer, who then employs a series of contractors
Speaker 4: who then appoint a project manager who appoint a constructor, right,
Speaker 4: and and so there's layers and layers of discussion and
Speaker 4: engagement there, right. And then by the time the drawings
Speaker 4: get to the constructor, the constructor looks at the drawings
Speaker 4: and goes, well, hang on, you said it was to
Speaker 4: be five hundred million dollars budget, but I've looked at
Speaker 4: it and it's seven hundred right, So then it either
Speaker 4: doesn't go ahead or you know, they suddenly they're over budget.
Speaker 4: Whereas I think what we're starting to see today is
Speaker 4: kind of an engagement where the client, the constructor, the
Speaker 4: designers work collaboratively at the beginning to know engineer in
Speaker 4: some efficiency, to protect in terms of their contracts, to
Speaker 4: do it in with a bit of a shared risks
Speaker 4: involved as well, you know. Like for example, one of
Speaker 4: the best examples of this from a government point of
Speaker 4: view recently has been the rebuilding of the slip damage
Speaker 4: road on the way to the Corimandal. So I think
Speaker 4: it's State Highway twenty five, right, So hill comes down,
Speaker 4: knocks out the road. They looked at it and they went, Okay,
Speaker 4: what we've got to do is we're going to build
Speaker 4: a bridge. That's going to be the fastest way. Everyone
Speaker 4: just went, Yep, we're going to build a bridge, and
Speaker 4: we've got to start now, and we're going to get
Speaker 4: it done. And we think it'll be fifty six million
Speaker 4: dollars or something like that, and we want to start.
Speaker 4: So you get the contractors in, you procure the materials
Speaker 4: straight away, and that was done under budget and ahead
Speaker 4: of time. So because in the end, we all know
Speaker 4: it's going to cost something, right, so by stretching out
Speaker 4: the procurement process and getting lots of tenders and all
Speaker 4: the rest of it, it's not going to get the
Speaker 4: damn thing built any quicker. And it the longer it
Speaker 4: takes to build anything, is that the the you know,
Speaker 4: the price is going to go up, right, So I
Speaker 4: think we are starting to see some changes to that model. Hey,
Speaker 4: I've got to move on because I've got Jay waiting
Speaker 4: on the line. We're going to talk painting. I appreciate
Speaker 4: your comments, Johnny, I really do quick text on this
Speaker 4: as well. Pete, You're wrong consultant's decision is final. That's
Speaker 4: what they're paid for. Admit it. We all want to
Speaker 4: sleep at night. See, I just get a different consultant.
Speaker 4: I don't want a consultant that tells me to do
Speaker 4: something other than what on the specification in this instance, right,
Speaker 4: I know you pay for a consultant, and consultants are
Speaker 4: good and worthwhile, and professional advice is good and worthwhile.
Speaker 4: I have no doubt about that. But in this instance, here,
Speaker 4: I find it illogical to go, here's a system, here's
Speaker 4: a manufacturer's you know, a specification, an installation guide, and
Speaker 4: a warranty based on that design. And I haven't checked,
Speaker 4: but let's hope that it's got either code mark or
Speaker 4: brand's appraisal. And if it's got code mark, it's except
Speaker 4: it has to be accepted by a territorial authority. So
Speaker 4: as a consultant, you then I don't think should go, well, actually,
Speaker 4: I'm going to use that product, but I want you
Speaker 4: to do this with it. I don't see that as
Speaker 4: being the consultant's role. The consultant's role should be this
Speaker 4: is a product that I think is durable, reliable, and
Speaker 4: so on. I recommend that you use it and you
Speaker 4: install it as per the instructions. We can talk about
Speaker 4: that in the moment. I'm going to take a breath,
Speaker 4: calm down for a bit, and then we're going to
Speaker 4: talk painting with Jay. Oh wait nine two ninety two.
Speaker 4: Text us any of your painting questions. Jay from Razine
Speaker 4: is going to join us in just a moment, right
Speaker 4: he Oh on the line this morning, bright and early, Jay,
Speaker 4: are very good morning, Good morning mate.
Speaker 5: How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty good, Thanks, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have to say the Razine stand at the Old
Speaker 4: Home Show is looking pretty flash.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 15: I was on the Eco decorated stand on Friday. It
Speaker 15: was looking really good.
Speaker 4: I must have missed you because I was just on
Speaker 4: the corner. Actually, can I ask, just chekily in the
Speaker 4: test pots, are they still doing the little pebbles or the.
Speaker 15: Eminem's gay eminems? Not in the plastic pots anymore? In
Speaker 15: a little carbo recyclable, brilliant and people don't confuse it
Speaker 15: as paint.
Speaker 4: Yes, anyway, because it's funny. You know, you've been working
Speaker 4: on the stand. I've been working on the stand at
Speaker 4: these sorts of shows for years, and and there are
Speaker 4: those people that come and they grab their bag and
Speaker 4: then they're just hoovering a around looking for pens, lollies, pads.
Speaker 4: You know, they're not going to talk to you for
Speaker 4: more than two minutes.
Speaker 15: Friends, kids that do that. It's like Halloween. You get
Speaker 15: plenty of information from everybody as well.
Speaker 4: So it's good, it's great fun. You know, I really
Speaker 4: enjoy it. I have to say, In fact, I might
Speaker 4: head back there again today for an hour or so. Right,
Speaker 4: let's get into it. We've got a couple of doozies
Speaker 4: for you. Let's start with well, not really an easy one,
Speaker 4: but here's a good one. Pete Razine. Question, our bathroom
Speaker 4: is tiles halfway up and then wallpaper to the ceiling
Speaker 4: that needs replacing. Would we be better to paint instead?
Speaker 4: As far as durability goes, the bathroom's well ventilated, So
Speaker 4: let's say that. I mean, wallpaper can be okay in
Speaker 4: bathrooms if you get the right one. But I'm just
Speaker 4: thinking about if you're taking wallpaper off and painting, what
Speaker 4: are the general steps?
Speaker 15: Okay, so get like say, wallpapers some more papers are
Speaker 15: fine in bathrooms. But to answer the question, so you
Speaker 15: strip the paper, some papers can come off really easily,
Speaker 15: some not so much. So best bet is to soak it,
Speaker 15: soak it and soak it some more. And once you've
Speaker 15: got the paper off, you have an idea of what
Speaker 15: the plaster board is going to look like behind, so
Speaker 15: whether you can just sure seal it and paint it
Speaker 15: or whether you need to put shore seal and then
Speaker 15: a high build wallboard sealawn just to build the plaster
Speaker 15: board back up to give it a nice surface from painting.
Speaker 4: And then if you're going to paint in a bathroom
Speaker 4: over let's say plaster board, even if it's old or
Speaker 4: you I'd go shore seal, so Pigman deep.
Speaker 15: Sealer, so it's share seal. You've got the water born
Speaker 15: or the solvent born options.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 15: And then over the top space cooat lochinge, kitchen and
Speaker 15: bathroom you've got space coat flat kitchen and bathroom or
Speaker 15: luster pril if you want semigloss all three. You can
Speaker 15: have the kitchen and bathroom version with the added mold defense.
Speaker 4: Yes, which, to be fair, is never a bad thing
Speaker 4: in a bathroom.
Speaker 15: No, it sounds like they mentioned it's called good ventilation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is great. That's really important. Now this is
Speaker 4: a challenging one and a little bit of a prickly one.
Speaker 4: A renovated Ponsome villa that we have to repaint the
Speaker 4: front of the house every year. Now they have used
Speaker 4: razine alabasta. Outdoor house paint turns yellow after twelve months
Speaker 4: due to the road pollution. The rest of the house
Speaker 4: is perfect and it's lasted five years. What could they
Speaker 4: do in terms of preventing the sort of the repaint
Speaker 4: because of the road pollution.
Speaker 15: That's I'd say it's hard. Just maybe try and clean
Speaker 15: it more. Yeah, I know where I am, I've got
Speaker 15: a bit of bush behind me, We just get pollen.
Speaker 15: Just build up the surfaces of the windows and the
Speaker 15: weather boards and just forever out cleaning it to remove that. Also,
Speaker 15: if you're in that sort of situation with road pollution
Speaker 15: or just general dirt and grind, build up, sea salts
Speaker 15: the other one. Between painting, sometimes you might have to
Speaker 15: clean down before putting a.
Speaker 4: Second coat on, right, Okay, all right, so clean down
Speaker 4: as well and maybe more regular washing.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I would, especially if you're in that sort of
Speaker 15: environment where you're in a very busy area.
Speaker 4: Yes, with a lot of road road grind, Yeah, absolutely, Hey,
Speaker 4: just going back to the wallpaper for a second, Is
Speaker 4: there a product available to help remove vinyl wallpaper? Or
Speaker 4: if there isn't, what's the best way to remove vinyl wallpaper?
Speaker 15: Again, as far there is wallpaper strippers, there's steamers. Like
Speaker 15: I say, some papers, some of the newer papers actually
Speaker 15: strip off really well. Some of the older stuff it
Speaker 15: can come off in like postage stamp size, and it's
Speaker 15: just very Some can be really easy and some are
Speaker 15: just paying for in a very tedious right. Like I say,
Speaker 15: I had like soak it, so get and soak it
Speaker 15: some more. Yeah, it does really help.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Hey, Pete asked Jay about rust coming through on brand
Speaker 4: new nails being put into weather boards just months after.
Speaker 4: What's the process for preventing further rust?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: Can I just jump in for a second and go
Speaker 4: I'd be really concerned that in fact, the weather boards
Speaker 4: haven't been fastened with nails that are either not galvanized
Speaker 4: or not stainless steel, in which case they've probably got
Speaker 4: a bigger problem. But in general, like even I've got it,
Speaker 4: I repainted six seven years ago. It's an old house
Speaker 4: in a couple of locations. I'm just starting to get
Speaker 4: a little bit of rust coming through on the head
Speaker 4: of the nail. So in that sense, what would I do?
Speaker 15: I agree with what you said sort of with Yeah,
Speaker 15: it's chances are it's the fixings that quick Always make
Speaker 15: sure you're using the right fixings for the right area.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 15: But GP metal primer a spot prime the areas obviously
Speaker 15: when you're repainting. If there's rusty nails or fixing or
Speaker 15: rusty nails, remove them if you can, or punch them
Speaker 15: if you can't, and then spot prime those areas just
Speaker 15: to stop that from sort of coming through so quickly. Yes,
Speaker 15: in your situation, now, yeah, it's you can clean it.
Speaker 15: Sometimes you can sort of clean the surface and it
Speaker 15: can remove a fair bit of it, or it's spot
Speaker 15: prime in the areas, like I say, with GP Metal
Speaker 15: Primer and then repaint over the top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant. Now morning, any suggestions for removing a film
Speaker 4: forming stain from a queler dick from Paul?
Speaker 15: Why would you put that stain on the deck in
Speaker 15: the first place. So, filming stains when they start fell
Speaker 15: and break down, it's similar to paint. It starts flalying
Speaker 15: off and coming off in the sort of sharp edges
Speaker 15: and areas, and you'd you'd be looking pretty much the
Speaker 15: same as you would be if it was painted. So
Speaker 15: you could use a stripper, you could stand it, scrape it,
Speaker 15: and then use a penetrating stain once you've put it
Speaker 15: all off.
Speaker 4: Yikes, right, so listen from that one, don't or film
Speaker 4: forming stains are good for certain areas, but for somewhere
Speaker 4: that's likely to require maintenance, it makes the maintenance more difficult.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 15: It's also there's not so many film forming stains on
Speaker 15: the market now. I think most of them are generally
Speaker 15: penetrating stains. Yes, like the raisine woodsmen. I mean if
Speaker 15: you once you've removed everything off the coiler deck, then
Speaker 15: we've got a coiler stain that ends up looking really good.
Speaker 4: One could I use the coiler stain on vitings.
Speaker 15: I've used it on pine so and it ends up
Speaker 15: looking really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Vtex obviously is really hard, so you've got to let
Speaker 15: it weather for a few months before you you do
Speaker 15: stain it, right, whether clean it down with timber and
Speaker 15: deck quash, and then once that strive, Yes, you should
Speaker 15: be fine. It's the same as everything else. If I'd say,
Speaker 15: try to test area somewhere and just well, but it
Speaker 15: shouldn't shouldn't have an issue, So asking for.
Speaker 4: A friend this particular deck that might have been withered
Speaker 4: for four years now, you know, standing to get a
Speaker 4: little bit of mold growth.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's one of those classic ones where the client goes, oh, look,
Speaker 4: I want it to weather off and I like it
Speaker 4: when it goes a bit gray. But now they're looking
Speaker 4: at it going, oh, I've got mold growth on my
Speaker 4: untreated timber decking. Now it's not going to impact necessarily
Speaker 4: on the timber, but over time I think it'll cause
Speaker 4: more issues. So prepping that sort of area and putting
Speaker 4: a penetrating oil stain on it, what's my process?
Speaker 15: That was the main question I got asked on Friday
Speaker 15: on Nico Deco the standards. Every question was around mold
Speaker 15: growth and stains. So also we've got the razine, moss
Speaker 15: and mold killers for treating moss, mold, algae and all
Speaker 15: that sort of growth that you get, especially this time
Speaker 15: of year. I'm just looking at my areas at the moment,
Speaker 15: just finding jobs to do today. So once that's all treated,
Speaker 15: you've then got a choice of the razine Woodsman decking stain,
Speaker 15: or you've got the furniture and decking oil. You've got
Speaker 15: the cooler timber stain, you've got the woodsman would all
Speaker 15: Solvent born, all of those you can use on decks
Speaker 15: if you're going to stain it. Okay, the best brush
Speaker 15: for staining, honestly is the power deck Master on an
Speaker 15: extension poll. It's so quick and easy to apply. Yeah,
Speaker 15: just try and avoid doing it in direct sun so
Speaker 15: the stain can and doesn't dry on your surface.
Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant, All right, fantastic, good you'll love this one
Speaker 4: for our lass text. It's not even a question. I
Speaker 4: have done so many touch ups with free paint samples,
Speaker 4: props pots. She ain't funny, says Chris. It's fantastic right, Hey,
Speaker 4: thanks very much for your time. You're not back at
Speaker 4: the stand today.
Speaker 15: Day off today, day off today yet around the house
Speaker 15: all right, Rip.
Speaker 4: And to have a good day. Thank you Jay for
Speaker 4: more advice, of course, just check out the team, go
Speaker 4: and talk to them, super experienced, super knowledgeable at your
Speaker 4: Razine color shops. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 4: We're back into your calls on all things building and construction.
Speaker 4: Back after the break quick texts that came in just
Speaker 4: after Jay went. But I'll see if I can answer
Speaker 4: this one, Maria. What paint should we use on bricks
Speaker 4: if there are any type of brick, Really, I would
Speaker 4: use a shure seal, so a pigmented sealer for the
Speaker 4: first coat. That's your primer that'll key in, and then
Speaker 4: whatever crylics you want to use Lumberside or Sonics, et
Speaker 4: cetera over the top of that. But that first coat
Speaker 4: is seen. You have to get that right, and that's
Speaker 4: got to be a pigmented seiler. Cody, A very good
Speaker 4: morning to you.
Speaker 3: Very good mon to you as well.
Speaker 6: Peter.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you about a problem with the gutter?
Speaker 9: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a true story house and we have
Speaker 3: a persistent problem with the gutter getting blocked. In fact,
Speaker 3: we had to use two coming companies two weeks apart
Speaker 3: to create it. We don't know whether the first company
Speaker 3: did a proper job. We saw in a neighbor's house
Speaker 3: a type of gutter guard which is a flat seat
Speaker 3: with holes in it. At one end it goes under
Speaker 3: the tile and the other end covers the gutter. Yes,
Speaker 3: is it a good system to use?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It is so you've got a concrete tile roof, and yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so what you need in that sense that system goes
Speaker 4: over the first tile and then tucks underneath the row
Speaker 4: of the tiles above. So and obviously the blockages are
Speaker 4: being caused by debris from trees, from overhanging trees. Yeah okay, Hey, look,
Speaker 4: it's also not wrong to suggest that you maybe trim
Speaker 4: some of those trees back, right, which you're entitled to do.
Speaker 3: Can you the neighbors to house trees? So we have
Speaker 3: mid sack hitting the head on a brick quid to
Speaker 3: get them to come to the party.
Speaker 4: But are the branches that impact your roof hanging over
Speaker 4: your boundary?
Speaker 3: No, it is by the leaves getting brawn by the ride.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, because anything that hangs over the boundary,
Speaker 4: you as the homeowner, as the property owner, are entitled
Speaker 4: to remove, right.
Speaker 14: So.
Speaker 4: Just pointing that out. But yeah, systems like that, So
Speaker 4: that's like a screen. So what happens is the debris
Speaker 4: lands on the roof, the leaf debris lands on the
Speaker 4: roof gets pushed down by the rain or gravity, and
Speaker 4: then rather than sitting in the spouting, it goes over.
Speaker 4: But as the rain comes down, it percolates through those
Speaker 4: holes and drops into your spouting. So yes, all of
Speaker 4: those systems like that will solve your problem, because this
Speaker 4: is one of the challenges.
Speaker 3: Isn't hanging on to our property?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 3: We are to get the permission the all of the
Speaker 3: tree to No, No, you.
Speaker 4: Don't so anything that's only over your boundary, right. You
Speaker 4: have to be very clear. You can't trim back onto
Speaker 4: their property. But anything take a line straight up from
Speaker 4: your boundary. Anything that's overhanging you can remove. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: you also have to put the branches back on the
Speaker 4: neighbor's property because I think otherwise it could be considered
Speaker 4: theft that you're stealing their branches. Right, so you put
Speaker 4: it back, and you don't as best I understand it,
Speaker 4: you don't have to ask permission of that, right. Okay,
Speaker 4: my pleasure. You have a great day, Take care all.
Speaker 6: Right, bye.
Speaker 4: By then your news talks, there'd be Pete wolf camp
Speaker 4: with you this morning, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 4: talking all things building, construction and every now and then
Speaker 4: a little bit of neighborly advice. I'm on pretty solid ground.
Speaker 4: So if there are branches that are hanging over from
Speaker 4: the neighbor. You're entitled as the homeowner property owner to
Speaker 4: remove those branches. But I understand that it is quite
Speaker 4: clear in the legislation you are to return those to
Speaker 4: the person from whence they came. They are, after all,
Speaker 4: your neighbors branches, so give them back to be fair.
Speaker 4: It happened to me a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 4: I was a little bit surprised.
Speaker 9: I was.
Speaker 4: I just kind of felt, gosh, that's a bit cheeky.
Speaker 4: You know, you've you've trimmed some branches and then you're
Speaker 4: throwing them back on my side. But apparently that's the rules.
Speaker 4: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 4: take short break back in a moment. Calls or lines
Speaker 4: are free right now, so give us a call. Oh,
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Happy to talk a little
Speaker 4: bit more about the old consultant thing that was a
Speaker 4: big topic about half an hour ago, as well anything
Speaker 4: to do with building construction, product selection regulation. We'll talk
Speaker 4: about all things building here on the show. Eight hundred
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty number, your news talks. He'd be ten
Speaker 4: minutes away from eight o'clock. Remember, in the next hour
Speaker 4: rud climb passed were into the garden with RUDD eight
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. During
Speaker 4: the break, I was having a look. I've been captivated
Speaker 4: by this story during the week about the Wellington City
Speaker 4: Council spending five hundred and sixty two, nine hundred and
Speaker 4: forty two dollars on the cycle rack. Well, it wasn't
Speaker 4: just the cycle rack or the shelter for the bikes.
Speaker 4: That included some civil works as well in terms of
Speaker 4: roadway realignment and the installation of a cycle path. And
Speaker 4: then it's got the Contracting Limited who charged three hundred thousand,
Speaker 4: Ara Shell who the design and supply so eighty five
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, the civil design and construction monitoring thirty six
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, their internal labor thirty four thousand dollars, Wellington
Speaker 4: Electricity twenty seven thousand dollars. The bi cracks themselves were
Speaker 4: twenty six thousand. So I wonder whether the shelter is
Speaker 4: one part of it, and then the bike rack is
Speaker 4: another part of it. Then there's the CCTV cameras nineteen
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Then there's the lighting assessment and supply six
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. There's a rubbishment two four hundred dollars for
Speaker 4: a rubbishment, and then a building consent exemption fee that
Speaker 4: they had to pay themselves nine hundred and twenty one.
Speaker 4: That's the cheapest bit of the whole project, not having
Speaker 4: to get a building consent for it. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: what on the old CCTV camera thing, I got some
Speaker 4: cameras and stalls, it's twelve hundred bucks. Yeah, exactly right, Kim,
Speaker 4: Good morning.
Speaker 7: You, Good morning hey. I was just picking up on
Speaker 7: your conversation around trees and then when the limb is
Speaker 7: over your boundary, there is technically the adjoining owners.
Speaker 5: He owns it.
Speaker 7: But we're in a situation where we're quite a large
Speaker 7: tree and branch fell and damaged his each on his house.
Speaker 7: So does it techniqually your.
Speaker 4: True Yes, your tree and it fell and damaged your
Speaker 4: neighbour's property.
Speaker 7: Yep, just a branch, not the tree. It's the branch
Speaker 7: in a storm. So I'm just wondering, you know, and
Speaker 7: I'm just curious, and you may not have the answer,
Speaker 7: but if that the limb of the tree that was
Speaker 7: on his side hit his outr each, does that mean
Speaker 7: that the responsibility to appear those ease would sit on
Speaker 7: the adjoining owner.
Speaker 4: But it's your tree that fell and caused the damage,
Speaker 4: So I would have thought the owner would likely knock
Speaker 4: on your door and go, hey, Sunshine, you've got to
Speaker 4: at least chip in for some of the costs.
Speaker 7: Well, there's things that you did say that technically they own.
Speaker 7: It's over the boundary that they technically own that particular.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, sorry, I think that what I was
Speaker 4: trying to say is that the apparently what you're supposed
Speaker 4: to do is return the branches that you've cut off
Speaker 4: back to the owner, right, so basically throw them back
Speaker 4: over the fence into the neighbour's yard. And in that sense,
Speaker 4: that's because it's their tree and you've removed a section
Speaker 4: of their tree and you take it back. That wouldn't
Speaker 4: extend to the fact that because your branch hangs over
Speaker 4: that suddenly your neighbor owns that branch. They don't you
Speaker 4: still own it, and something that you owned has caused
Speaker 4: damage to a neighbor. I think of it if it
Speaker 4: happened to me, And I know we've got a large
Speaker 4: Bodkawa tree on the front of our property now that
Speaker 4: actually overhangs my neighbor. But they're quite happy with the tree.
Speaker 4: It adds, you know, the birds are in it and
Speaker 4: all the rest of it. Right, we both like it,
Speaker 4: and so I've recently had the canopy reduced. But still
Speaker 4: there's one limb that does extend over to my neighbor's property.
Speaker 4: I'm cognizant of it, and I know that they accept it.
Speaker 4: But if it fell and damaged I don't know, a
Speaker 4: garden ornament or something like that, I would feel that
Speaker 4: I had some responsibility to replace it.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, Well it's interesting because you know the theory
Speaker 7: of if it's landa on his side and he owns it,
Speaker 7: then I can't I can't take it back.
Speaker 5: It's it's well no, no.
Speaker 4: No, it's it's because it's your tree, right, it's attached
Speaker 4: to your tree, and it left your tree and damaged
Speaker 4: his spouting or facia. I would say that the responsibility
Speaker 4: is yours.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say, yeah, I don't doubt that. I
Speaker 7: was just curious picking up on your comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm just it's very much just
Speaker 4: into like I was a bit surprised when another instance
Speaker 4: branches ended up back on my property right, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I wonder what that's about. And then I have understood
Speaker 4: from years of experience that that is the requirement is
Speaker 4: that you hand them back. But I would say that
Speaker 4: if it's your tree that's fallen and cause damage to
Speaker 4: your neighbor or broken off, you would be responsible because
Speaker 4: you own it in the same way. Just quickly before
Speaker 4: we go the break, There's often been that discussion about
Speaker 4: what happens when my neighbors trees grow up and impede
Speaker 4: my view. For example, so you move into a house
Speaker 4: and ten years later the trees blocked your view of
Speaker 4: the water. Through the property law or the Property Act,
Speaker 4: you can seek redress through that to have your neighbor
Speaker 4: reduce the size of the tree so that you can
Speaker 4: enjoy the view which was inherent in you purchasing that property.
Speaker 4: But that's a whole separate thing. It is on my
Speaker 4: list of experts to get into the studio or to
Speaker 4: get on the line is to go, let's do fencing
Speaker 4: Act and Property Act as it relates to trees, to
Speaker 4: get some advice. So I'll put that on my list.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for you call Kim. Speaking of
Speaker 4: things that were on my list. I mentioned some time
Speaker 4: ago that I had reached out to the new or
Speaker 4: not so new now Minister for Housing and Construction, that
Speaker 4: is the honorable Chris Pink, and through his office, we've
Speaker 4: arranged to do an interview this coming week, which I
Speaker 4: don't think i'll have time to put on next Sunday,
Speaker 4: but the following Sunday will broadcast that interview. So really
Speaker 4: looking forward to meeting him. I've met at a couple
Speaker 4: of conferences and in fact, yeah, so we'll do that
Speaker 4: with Chris Pink soon. Righty, oh, good morning, Welcome back
Speaker 4: to the program. My name's Pete wolf Camp at the
Speaker 4: Resident Builder and I'm here till nine o'clock. We're talking
Speaker 4: building until eight thirty this morning, which is I don't know,
Speaker 4: a bear twenty two minutes away thereabouts, and then we
Speaker 4: are into the garden with red kline past. We could
Speaker 4: be talking trees with Rudd, because that is his specialty
Speaker 4: as it happens, but this is more around the legal stuff.
Speaker 4: I seem to have started a firestorm, to be fair,
Speaker 4: in terms of the text messages, which is really intriguing.
Speaker 4: Just my comment about you know, trimming a neighbor's tree
Speaker 4: so my understanding is that if it overhangs your property,
Speaker 4: you as the property owner, have the right to remove
Speaker 4: those branches. You then return those branches to neighbor because
Speaker 4: they are their branches. That's the thinking behind that. I
Speaker 4: kind of get that. And then we got onto talking
Speaker 4: with Kim before the break about well, what happens if
Speaker 4: one of a branch from a tree that's on my
Speaker 4: property falls and damages my neighbor's property and someone has
Speaker 4: text through and said, hey, look now where is it.
Speaker 4: I've lost the text. Here we go. As far as
Speaker 4: insurance is concerned, I believe we'll have to check this out.
Speaker 4: If a branch of my tree damages my neighbor's property,
Speaker 4: it is not my responsibility, as it was an act
Speaker 4: of God. Interesting. That's going to be really interesting in
Speaker 4: terms of there was a case about, I don't know
Speaker 4: sometime in the last six months, let's say, where a
Speaker 4: large eucalyptus tree which is on a council reserve blew
Speaker 4: over and crashed through the car port and damage to
Speaker 4: car of the adjoining property. Interestingly enough, the owners of
Speaker 4: that property had said to counsel, I think for the
Speaker 4: last almost two years, there's a problem with the tree,
Speaker 4: you should come and remove it. They had been out, No,
Speaker 4: there's not a problem with the tree. Then they'd come
Speaker 4: back and apparently council mysteriously had just decided to remove
Speaker 4: it in the week before the tree fell over and
Speaker 4: did all of that damage. Now, would ensurers consider that
Speaker 4: an act of God and not go to council and go, actually,
Speaker 4: we're going to seek a contribution from you the damage
Speaker 4: to the tree or not. That would be an interesting one. Yes, Pete,
Speaker 4: says another Texter. Let's talk neighbors in their trees. I've
Speaker 4: got a landlord next a landlord next door destroying my
Speaker 4: life with his tree roots breaking up the boundary fence
Speaker 4: and the block wall. Very stressful. I can imagine that
Speaker 4: is the case. I have to say I'd take a
Speaker 4: fairly mercenary approach to that, and just any branch or
Speaker 4: root that extended onto my property, I'd be quite happy
Speaker 4: to take that out to be fair. Um, where's another one. Ah,
Speaker 4: here we go.
Speaker 10: Ah.
Speaker 4: If a limb from the tree overhangs, then am I
Speaker 4: legally allowed to enter my neighbor's property to remove it
Speaker 4: without any consultation to eliminate the possibility that it will
Speaker 4: fall and cause further damage. I don't think so as
Speaker 4: it's clear cut. I don't think it's as clear cut
Speaker 4: as you say. I don't think you're allowed to enter
Speaker 4: your neighbor's property to remove the branch. You can only
Speaker 4: remove what hangs over the boundary, and you need to
Speaker 4: do that from your own property, because I mean, if
Speaker 4: you enter without permission, isn't that just trespass. So I
Speaker 4: think it's what you can reach from your property and
Speaker 4: only what hangs over the boundary, So you can't lean
Speaker 4: in and trim more than you're entitled to. It's strictly
Speaker 4: on the boundary. An arborist has text as well and said, hey, look,
Speaker 4: just heads up. He said, good advice on the tree,
Speaker 4: always touch on the key. Well, this is a separate one.
Speaker 4: Always touch a key message, talk to your neighbors. Not
Speaker 4: always easy, I know, but it's important from the start.
Speaker 4: Thank you Jonathan for that. And yes, the arborist said, hey, look,
Speaker 4: there's also a requirement where if you do remove some branches,
Speaker 4: and they're the ones that you're legally entitled to do
Speaker 4: because they're on your property, then you also need to
Speaker 4: do it in such a way that it doesn't cause
Speaker 4: damage to the tree, so if you then end up
Speaker 4: killing the tree by removing all of those branches, you
Speaker 4: might be held liable for that. I am on the
Speaker 4: hunt for a lawyer who could speak to us from
Speaker 4: a professional point of view, and I've done a little
Speaker 4: bit of digging around. But to be fair, if you
Speaker 4: know someone, feel free to take the number. A suggestion
Speaker 4: for someone who would be good to talk to on
Speaker 4: this oh eight is that number to call tom A
Speaker 4: very good morning, Good morning, sir.
Speaker 8: I just picked up when you mentioned this tree. Yes,
Speaker 8: about thirty five years ago I planted a eucalyptus green
Speaker 8: gun and a while back it fellow joined right away,
Speaker 8: a fellow that took two lines out yep and banged
Speaker 8: part of the neighbor's house. The state insurance would pay
Speaker 8: for half the fence.
Speaker 7: And not the.
Speaker 8: The damage to the roof on next door, which still
Speaker 8: hasn't been fixed in two years. They said it was
Speaker 8: next to God, so it's exactly like you said. But
Speaker 8: that's the insurance companies. But how the hell can they
Speaker 8: prove that God did it, because I don't think he's
Speaker 8: working now because look at Putin and Russia and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is an intriguing sort of hangover in our
Speaker 4: language that if that's still in insurance documents today, you know,
Speaker 4: given that we are increasingly a secular society, that we
Speaker 4: still include in that, don't they call it all the
Speaker 4: nature resulted or something like that. I'm intrigued by your
Speaker 4: situation though, where you know, if a tree that's on
Speaker 4: your property falls damages your neighbor, Okay, we can call
Speaker 4: that an act of God if that's what's written in
Speaker 4: the insurance policy.
Speaker 8: Anything to blame anybody else?
Speaker 4: Oh, that's fantastic. I mean those eucalypse are notorious for
Speaker 4: just sort of shedding branches and high winds and that
Speaker 4: sort of thing. Let's stick to planting natives, I think
Speaker 4: is the answer there. Hey, nice of you to call
Speaker 4: Tom all the very best to you, eight hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty the number to call Chris, Good morning
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, Pete. Kind of playing Givil's advocate about
Speaker 10: right order another angle to this whole tree over the boundary. Yes,
Speaker 10: so my tree over the boundary breaks off, damages neighbors property. Yes,
Speaker 10: I couldn't make it the argument that it was actually
Speaker 10: his fault, right he can? He can maintain it, he can.
Speaker 8: Come it back.
Speaker 10: Yes, make sure I can't. I'm not an as to
Speaker 10: his property without asking.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, that's argument very much my tree.
Speaker 10: But it's on his property. If it's like to the
Speaker 10: damage his house, it is responsibility. And can I have
Speaker 10: the back pleasing you?
Speaker 6: Bum?
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I could, you know, I can kind of
Speaker 10: see both sides. I think the best thing here has
Speaker 10: talked to you. Make sure you both know what's going.
Speaker 10: Don't worry about insurance company.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the good users. Thanks very much
Speaker 4: for that, Chris. We've got Graham who has some fifty
Speaker 4: years insurance experience, and you want to comment about this
Speaker 4: Act of God legalities. Good morning, Graham, Good morning.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 16: I've said just over fifty years, and I can honestly say,
Speaker 16: and none of the policies have ever found the words
Speaker 16: Act of God.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I mean, look at it was there in
Speaker 4: a text. So what would they generally be regarded as
Speaker 4: just nature related or natural.
Speaker 16: We're quite lucky in museum and our policies are much
Speaker 16: easier to understand than some of the overseas ones. Sure
Speaker 16: there may be in some of the overseas policies in
Speaker 16: active God, but I've never found it in all the
Speaker 16: policies I've dealt with them fifty years.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll take your word for it, because it sounds like.
Speaker 16: The policy covers things blowing, over falling, over wind damage.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Would you offer up an opinion then, about the situation
Speaker 4: where you know, we've talked about the situation where you know,
Speaker 4: let's say I've got a tree on my property and
Speaker 4: it's overhanging my neighbors and we don't seem to have
Speaker 4: a problem with that. Wind blows, it falls over, and
Speaker 4: it crashes through the corner of the verandah, let's say.
Speaker 16: Most policies, yea, most policies would cover ather, removal of
Speaker 16: the tree from the damaged area, and the repair of
Speaker 16: the damaged property. The insurance company may choose to bring
Speaker 16: an action against the owner of the tree, but the
Speaker 16: owners of proof would be such a they probably wouldn't
Speaker 16: bother right.
Speaker 4: So typically, would let's say I'm the owner of the
Speaker 4: tree and it's caused damage. Would my insurance policy pay
Speaker 4: out for my neighbour's damage or would the insurance policy
Speaker 4: held by my neighbor cover that damage? And I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be held responsible at all?
Speaker 16: Okay, So there's two aspects. The damage to the property
Speaker 16: is covered by the property owner whose property is damaged,
Speaker 16: and this is the big If the tree owner has
Speaker 16: been negligent, and that's the keyword, has to have been negligent,
Speaker 16: their policy would cover the illegal liability for damage to
Speaker 16: other people's property. But proving that negligence is very, very difficult.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that if they've been negligent, I you know,
Speaker 4: I look out at my tree. I can see that
Speaker 4: all of the leaves have fallen off, the branches rotten,
Speaker 4: and I don't do anything about it. Wind comes blows
Speaker 4: it over, it damages my neighbor's property. Now I could
Speaker 4: be seen as being negligent in that instance. You're saying
Speaker 4: that only if I'm negligent would the insurance policy cover that.
Speaker 4: If I'm not negligent, it wouldn't cover it. Am I
Speaker 4: getting that right?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 15: No.
Speaker 16: In fact, if you weren't by law, if you weren't negligent,
Speaker 16: there is no legal liability on you. So it's a
Speaker 16: bit like running into the back of someone's car. You
Speaker 16: were legally liable because you're a negligent. The same thing
Speaker 16: happens with house insurance. You have to have done something wrong.
Speaker 4: Or no one yes, going to prove that.
Speaker 16: Fascinating And that's where the insurance companies in trying to
Speaker 16: bring an action against the neighbor. How do you prove that? Hmm,
Speaker 16: this is where it becomes difficult.
Speaker 4: Right, how fascinating?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 16: And finally ye, good stuff.
Speaker 4: Actually for people that are unsure what that is translated,
Speaker 4: that means fight the good fight, which is the motto
Speaker 4: of De Lacel College, which I presume you're an old
Speaker 4: boy of.
Speaker 9: And so.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, and I was hoping, but I don't think
Speaker 4: I'm going to make it. There is a mass at
Speaker 4: ten o'clock in the chapel at de Larcell today to
Speaker 4: mark the beginning of a new Old Boys Association, and
Speaker 4: I thought I could get there, but I can't. But
Speaker 4: I'm I've signed up for the New Old Boys Association
Speaker 4: and Graham, maybe you'd like to do the same.
Speaker 16: Yeah, Wellington, So I'm not coming to the mess No fair.
Speaker 4: Enough to a hey, lovely to talk to you. Take
Speaker 4: care by then, yes, you can imagine what was like
Speaker 4: going to a Catholic secondary school with a bottom certain
Speaker 4: cinema as the as the fight the good fight. We
Speaker 4: have to say times took that quite literally. It is
Speaker 4: eighteen let's call it nineteen minutes after eight we'll take
Speaker 4: a short break. We'll try and squeeze in a couple
Speaker 4: more calls before we jump into the garden with a
Speaker 4: rod climb pasta at eight point thirty this morning, I
Speaker 4: will put in a quick plug for my old school then.
Speaker 4: So I went to De Lasal College which is in
Speaker 4: Magari in South Auckland, and in fact I left there
Speaker 4: in jeep as nineteen eighty four was my last year
Speaker 4: at school. So any old boys that might be listening,
Speaker 4: go to social media and have a bit of a
Speaker 4: search and if you're inclined, there's sort of a rejuvenated
Speaker 4: Old Boys Association which is being structured at the moment.
Speaker 4: So like I say, there was a there's going to
Speaker 4: be mess in the chapel which I can remember being built.
Speaker 4: I was there at the time, and then morning tea
Speaker 4: and a get together in a bit of an organization.
Speaker 4: But you can sign up online like I did this
Speaker 4: week to be part of the Old Boys Association for
Speaker 4: Dela Salts and Margli. Let's a couple of last minute calls.
Speaker 4: Hannah a very good morning.
Speaker 17: Oh, good morning. How are you going?
Speaker 4: Very well? Thank you and you good.
Speaker 9: Thanks.
Speaker 17: I could give a question about our garage. So we
Speaker 17: put our house last year. We live on a hill
Speaker 17: and we've got a garage that technically the house in
Speaker 17: front of us our neighbor. They're in between our house
Speaker 17: and our garage. Our garage is a separate title, which
Speaker 17: is kind of Yeah, it looks like our garage.
Speaker 5: Is on their property.
Speaker 17: It is unusual that our house was bold and I
Speaker 17: guess that they configure it. So the house in front
Speaker 17: has just been bought, so it was empty when we
Speaker 17: bought our house. And the garage that we've got there
Speaker 17: lawn is kind of like it's ended up over the years,
Speaker 17: pushing into our garage and it's like they're using our
Speaker 17: garage as a retaining wall. Yes, but it's not a
Speaker 17: retaining wall. It's just a garage and it's pushing in
Speaker 17: all the walls of the garage with it, and so
Speaker 17: we just want to know if it's like our I
Speaker 17: guess whose responsibility it is to.
Speaker 9: Move that dirt?
Speaker 4: Okay. I would imagine that it goes down to where
Speaker 4: the boundary is, so and I would have thought that
Speaker 4: unless the garage had a retaining wall designed in it
Speaker 4: because it's on the boundary, so in terms of fire
Speaker 4: rating and those sorts of things, you know, I would go,
Speaker 4: if you know where the boundary pigs are now, and
Speaker 4: my assumption would be that the boundary would be at
Speaker 4: least a meter away from the edge of the gag
Speaker 4: is true.
Speaker 17: We've seen on the plans that there's actually meant to
Speaker 17: be a meter around it because there's an old door,
Speaker 17: so there used to be able to walk into the
Speaker 17: garage from the side. Okay, but obviously over time someone
Speaker 17: surely said, oh, this is okay for you to your.
Speaker 4: Dirty Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 17: I mean, you know, because it's one hundred and twenty
Speaker 17: years old, obviously there's a lot of history that we
Speaker 17: don't know about.
Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, I think it comes down to the boundary.
Speaker 4: And then once you've established the boundaries, either by finding
Speaker 4: the existing legal boundary markers that will either be a
Speaker 4: boundary peg or a marker in the ground, then you
Speaker 4: could establish a stringline and say this is where the
Speaker 4: boundary is. And what you might find is that you
Speaker 4: then just say to the neighbor, I'm going to remove
Speaker 4: the soil and return it, or maybe you don't even
Speaker 4: want to have the argument. Just remove the soil, right,
Speaker 4: and then you look, it sounds like it's probably a
Speaker 4: wise idea to then talk to the neighbor about getting
Speaker 4: a fence built and possibly the.
Speaker 17: Bottom when we came to us and they did say
Speaker 17: where you want to build a fence around it? And
Speaker 17: they didn't even say would you consider selling us?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's why we kind of just wanted to know,
Speaker 17: you know, whose responsibility things are. If we did want
Speaker 17: to build a retaining war would that be our responsibility
Speaker 17: because it's protecting our garage or their responsibility because it's
Speaker 17: retaining the ad dirt.
Speaker 4: Well, chances are you could argue that when the garage
Speaker 4: was built, the dirt wasn't as high as it was,
Speaker 4: because then you couldn't have built the garage, right, So
Speaker 4: the arrival of the dirt is after the arrival of
Speaker 4: the garage, and it was probably put there by the neighbor,
Speaker 4: but it wouldn't have been put there by this neighbor.
Speaker 4: So again it becomes a discussion thing, doesn't it where
Speaker 4: you go? Actually, I tell you what, let's both contribute
Speaker 4: to the cost of the fence, and you probably have
Speaker 4: to do so through the Fencing Act anyway. Then there's
Speaker 4: going to be some work involved in retaining which you know,
Speaker 4: again would be reasonable to share that cost between both
Speaker 4: and maybe you cover the cost of removal of that
Speaker 4: soil because that's purely for your benefit. It's going to
Speaker 4: be a discussion. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, have a
Speaker 4: great day all of this. You take care all the best,
Speaker 4: by Bayh. We're going to try and squeeze in one
Speaker 4: really quick call from you, Gwin super quick. Sorry mate, yep.
Speaker 14: I was reading an article the other day that was
Speaker 14: talking about rich fitted insulation and obviously if that insulations
Speaker 14: either in celling or under.
Speaker 6: Floor, you don't need a building permit, correct.
Speaker 14: But if it's in walls you do. And then the
Speaker 14: issue where if you're putting in sort of like foams
Speaker 14: or blowing in things into the wall cavity, that insulation
Speaker 14: may end up either completely filling up what was previously
Speaker 14: an air.
Speaker 15: Cavity, which would obviously help keep it dry.
Speaker 14: And then the issue that may cause absorption or retention
Speaker 14: of moisture in that cavity space and actually perhaps cause
Speaker 14: more of a problem than what you're actually trying to
Speaker 14: resolve in that you've got water moisture being whipped from
Speaker 14: the outside clanning through to inside walls and you could
Speaker 14: end up with moisture and so wolves mold all that.
Speaker 5: Then, Yes, I just.
Speaker 14: Thought it was a very interesting article.
Speaker 4: And this wasn't the article and stuff this week. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I tell you what. I had a look at that,
Speaker 4: and I actually sent it on to some people for
Speaker 4: review because some of the claims there are mischievous at
Speaker 4: best and misleading. So I think you've got to really
Speaker 4: drill down into the information about that, and particularly some
Speaker 4: of the comments and claims made in that particular article.
Speaker 4: I saw it this week as well, and I'll tell
Speaker 4: you what the because it mentioned SIPs panels, right, So
Speaker 4: if I don't know if you're in LinkedIn, go to LinkedIn,
Speaker 4: go to either Nick Hubbard's page or Formance's page, and
Speaker 4: they've produced a response to that. If you want to
Speaker 4: look at it. Maybe we'll pick it up next week
Speaker 4: on the show. Let's do that, Gwen, thanks very much
Speaker 4: for your call. We are going to jump into the garden,
Speaker 4: where it is always peaceful and pleasant. Nothing bad happens
Speaker 4: in a garden room.
Speaker 7: Ever.
Speaker 4: Never nobody eats each other. It takes each other.
Speaker 14: That's right to entry.
Speaker 4: But I love the best comment was talk to your neighbors.
Speaker 2: It's so important to.
Speaker 4: Make that so easy. Well, right now, I think we
Speaker 4: need to take a break and then we'll talk to you.
Speaker 4: All right, let's do it now.
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