WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: September 8, 2024 0:00:06.855 --> 0:00:10.055 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.055 Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay. 0:00:17.935 --> 0:00:23.375 The house is a hole even when it's dark, even 0:00:23.415 --> 0:00:28.615 when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when 0:00:28.655 --> 0:00:32.895 the dog is too old to borrow, and when you're 0:00:32.935 --> 0:00:38.295 sitting at the table trying not to start and scissor 0:00:38.535 --> 0:00:44.335 home even when we are band gone, even when you're 0:00:44.575 --> 0:01:00.295 there alone. The house is a home, even when those goes, 0:01:01.535 --> 0:01:02.255 even when. 0:01:02.135 --> 0:01:05.295 You got around from the world you love your most. 0:01:06.735 --> 0:01:12.615 Screams bulding plans, being in fund the world locals vesta 0:01:12.735 --> 0:01:22.535 when they're gone, leaving them house, even when Wilbane eating 0:01:22.655 --> 0:01:24.375 when you're elone. 0:01:32.535 --> 0:01:34.575 Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the 0:01:34.655 --> 0:01:37.975 Resident Builder on Sunday you with peterwolf Camp Resident Builder, 0:01:38.055 --> 0:01:41.335 and this is a show well really exactly for you. 0:01:41.615 --> 0:01:42.295 If you are. 0:01:42.335 --> 0:01:48.295 Renovating, altering, maintaining, building planning, thinking, musing around any sort 0:01:48.295 --> 0:01:50.615 of building project that you would like to discuss, well, 0:01:50.775 --> 0:01:52.895 this is the show for you. Oh, eight hundred and 0:01:52.935 --> 0:01:55.175 eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you'd 0:01:55.255 --> 0:01:57.215 like to text, You're more than welcome to do that 0:01:57.295 --> 0:02:00.295 as well. That's nine two nine two is ZBZB from 0:02:00.335 --> 0:02:02.855 the mobile phone and if you'd like to email me 0:02:03.095 --> 0:02:06.935 by all means Pete at newstalksb dot co dot in seed. 0:02:07.655 --> 0:02:10.735 Trust that you've had a really good week. If you've 0:02:10.775 --> 0:02:13.935 been involved in a project of any size or scale, 0:02:14.335 --> 0:02:16.455 then I hope that it's been successful for you. I 0:02:16.495 --> 0:02:19.335 hope that it's been there's been some progress, some real 0:02:19.415 --> 0:02:22.695 progress on a project that you might be undertaking. And 0:02:23.095 --> 0:02:25.495 maybe if it's not so much progress and you want 0:02:25.495 --> 0:02:27.415 to talk about that, then the lines are open, the 0:02:27.535 --> 0:02:31.335 number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Kind 0:02:31.375 --> 0:02:33.095 of been a busy old week for me. I've actually 0:02:33.135 --> 0:02:35.015 spent a bit of time and bumped into a whole 0:02:35.095 --> 0:02:37.695 bunch of people that listen to the show at the 0:02:38.055 --> 0:02:40.335 Home Show, which is currently on at the Auckland show 0:02:40.375 --> 0:02:43.655 Grounds at the moments. I've been hanging out with a 0:02:43.735 --> 0:02:45.615 couple of companies that I do some work with, so 0:02:45.855 --> 0:02:51.935 Ryobi and Bailey Tanks and the good people at Retrofit DG, 0:02:52.255 --> 0:02:54.815 so Metro Performance Glass, and sort of spent a bit 0:02:54.855 --> 0:02:57.815 of time and went on Thursday just to kind of 0:02:57.975 --> 0:03:00.895 just go and catch up with because over the years, 0:03:00.895 --> 0:03:02.375 I guess you get to know a bunch of people, 0:03:03.295 --> 0:03:05.575 So an opportunity to catch up with actually someone that 0:03:05.655 --> 0:03:08.375 we interviewed on show a little while ago, the head 0:03:08.415 --> 0:03:11.655 of the Master Plumbers Association for New Zealand's a bit 0:03:11.655 --> 0:03:13.655 of a catch up with them, caught up with the 0:03:14.215 --> 0:03:18.135 actually the newly installed head of Master Plumbers in Auckland, 0:03:18.335 --> 0:03:20.175 who's actually a plumber that I knew from sort of 0:03:20.255 --> 0:03:23.615 ten twelve years ago, Ben Maine, who's taken on that role. 0:03:23.735 --> 0:03:26.375 So interesting just to connect with people in a lot 0:03:26.455 --> 0:03:29.015 of discussion, of course, about what the state of the 0:03:29.095 --> 0:03:33.615 industry is, how busy people are or how quiet people are. 0:03:34.655 --> 0:03:38.455 We're getting people's take on some of the political side 0:03:38.615 --> 0:03:40.975 of construction at the moment. And I may have made 0:03:41.015 --> 0:03:43.615 this comment before, but I think it's still relevant. Is 0:03:43.655 --> 0:03:47.815 that I genuinely can't think of a time in the 0:03:47.935 --> 0:03:50.535 last ten years, certainly since I've been doing the show, 0:03:50.575 --> 0:03:53.335 but possibly even a little bit longer we're building and 0:03:53.455 --> 0:03:56.695 building issues have been as political as they are right now, 0:03:56.815 --> 0:04:03.695 in terms of governments proposing changes to building legislation, looking 0:04:03.735 --> 0:04:07.215 at the way that we fund infrastructure, these sorts of things. 0:04:07.295 --> 0:04:10.935 It's a fairly hot topic in terms of politics and 0:04:11.335 --> 0:04:16.015 the construction sector. Right now. But it's and in terms 0:04:16.055 --> 0:04:19.255 of sort of taking the pulse or the sense of 0:04:19.335 --> 0:04:22.415 the community, the building community out and about in the 0:04:22.535 --> 0:04:28.135 last couple of days, there's a there's not a rush 0:04:28.255 --> 0:04:33.015 to say, don't worry, it'll get better soon. I think 0:04:33.095 --> 0:04:35.415 there's still a real sense of caution, and I think 0:04:35.455 --> 0:04:37.535 some of the optimism that might have been there back 0:04:37.615 --> 0:04:40.655 in January that kind of by now we would have 0:04:40.735 --> 0:04:43.415 seen some green shoots, we would have seen some improvement. 0:04:44.655 --> 0:04:49.415 That horizon keeps being pushed out. You talk to almost 0:04:49.615 --> 0:04:53.615 any and I've probably had on a fifteen twenty discussions 0:04:54.735 --> 0:05:02.055 with people involved in either construction or in plumbing, electrical, sales, marketing, 0:05:02.135 --> 0:05:05.575 anything related to the construction sector, anyone who's running their 0:05:05.615 --> 0:05:09.695 own business moment, and there is still a sense that 0:05:10.135 --> 0:05:13.455 we've got a ways to go, that maybe maybe sort 0:05:13.455 --> 0:05:15.735 of you know, initially it was like first quarter of 0:05:15.855 --> 0:05:19.575 twenty twenty five, that whole survive to twenty five. Well, 0:05:19.615 --> 0:05:21.495 I think it feels like you might have to survive 0:05:21.655 --> 0:05:24.655 just a little bit further into twenty five. And there 0:05:24.775 --> 0:05:27.535 is and I say this with the greatest respect, a 0:05:27.655 --> 0:05:30.815 number of conversations. So I have these conversations with younger 0:05:31.615 --> 0:05:35.335 business owners and contractors who are going, this is really tough, 0:05:35.415 --> 0:05:37.655 you know, and it is. And then I have the 0:05:37.815 --> 0:05:41.695 same conversation with older ones, maybe some of my own generation, 0:05:41.855 --> 0:05:45.095 and similar gray hair, and there's a sense of well, 0:05:45.175 --> 0:05:47.055 we've been through it before. We had it in two 0:05:47.095 --> 0:05:49.015 thousand and seven, we had it in the mid nineties. 0:05:49.095 --> 0:05:51.575 I started building in nine eighty seven during the stock 0:05:51.655 --> 0:05:55.655 market crash. You know, there's lessons to be learnt out 0:05:55.695 --> 0:05:58.495 of this too, around how you manage your business and 0:05:58.655 --> 0:06:01.015 how you make sure that you're always ready for that 0:06:01.135 --> 0:06:05.095 rainy day, because sure as beans, it's coming. Oh, eight 0:06:05.215 --> 0:06:07.575 hundred eighty ten eighty, let's rip into it. Anything to 0:06:07.655 --> 0:06:13.615 do with building, construction, regulation, rules, requirements, product selection. Actually, 0:06:13.615 --> 0:06:16.935 I spent a couple of minutes yesterday. I saw this 0:06:17.535 --> 0:06:19.655 new tool, a tool that I don't have, which is 0:06:19.695 --> 0:06:23.575 a little bit unusual, online the other day and now 0:06:23.895 --> 0:06:25.735 I won't tell you what it is yet, but I've 0:06:25.775 --> 0:06:28.575 been fossicking around and then it struck me. I was 0:06:28.615 --> 0:06:31.135 looking at it's quite a simple sort of thing. I thought, actually, 0:06:31.215 --> 0:06:34.055 maybe I can just make one. I found one in 0:06:34.095 --> 0:06:35.935 the States, and I found one in Australia. Of course, 0:06:35.975 --> 0:06:37.575 you find it on TMU and that sort of thing, 0:06:37.855 --> 0:06:41.895 and I'm like, I could make that, which I might 0:06:41.935 --> 0:06:44.295 do this week, made some other things. We'll talk about 0:06:44.295 --> 0:06:46.375 that too. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, let's 0:06:46.375 --> 0:06:48.655 get into it. Good morning, Welcome to the show. In 0:06:48.775 --> 0:06:52.615 the next hour, Jay, our painting expert from Razine Paints, 0:06:52.975 --> 0:06:55.255 will be with us as well, So seven twenty five, 0:06:55.375 --> 0:06:59.215 Jail join us. If you've got any specific painting questions, 0:06:59.615 --> 0:07:01.575 text them through to me now, we'll line them up 0:07:01.855 --> 0:07:04.815 and we'll we'll have a go with Jay at seven 0:07:04.975 --> 0:07:07.495 twenty five this morning, and of course, as always we're 0:07:07.495 --> 0:07:09.895 into the garden with red claim pass. Come eight thirty 0:07:09.975 --> 0:07:13.375 this morning. Welcome, Welcome, welcome, looking forward to chatting with 0:07:13.455 --> 0:07:15.255 you this morning. It is time for your calls. Oh, 0:07:15.295 --> 0:07:19.655 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number Aaron, Good morning, Good. 0:07:19.575 --> 0:07:20.815 Morning, Pete. How are you a friend? 0:07:20.895 --> 0:07:23.015 Well, I'm not too bad. What about yourself? 0:07:24.335 --> 0:07:26.175 Oh made a little bit a little bit grumpy on 0:07:26.215 --> 0:07:32.375 the apes. The staff has played well, you know, so 0:07:32.655 --> 0:07:33.615 we've got to give it to them. 0:07:33.895 --> 0:07:35.775 I don't often give it to them, but I happened 0:07:35.815 --> 0:07:38.815 to be up at halftime and check the Herald website 0:07:38.855 --> 0:07:41.735 and saw AB's a leading I was like, Okay, well 0:07:41.735 --> 0:07:43.655 I better go back to bed now. But now, well 0:07:44.295 --> 0:07:46.815 maybe I should have stayed up. Yeah, anyway, what can 0:07:46.855 --> 0:07:48.175 we do? What are we talking about? 0:07:49.055 --> 0:07:51.775 Very very quickly, you may remember I had a conversation 0:07:51.815 --> 0:07:52.735 with him a few weeks ago. 0:07:52.815 --> 0:07:54.575 We got a batch your family. 0:07:55.375 --> 0:08:00.535 Yeah, and the obviously cyclelled. Gabriel came through and jib 0:08:00.815 --> 0:08:03.895 and and all that sort of stuff. We're ripping out 0:08:04.775 --> 0:08:06.575 and we're putting back and like for life can I 0:08:06.615 --> 0:08:08.215 sort of said to you, then, what do we need 0:08:08.295 --> 0:08:10.495 to do contenting or is it anything we need to do. 0:08:10.575 --> 0:08:12.415 When we had a bit of a chat, we pretty 0:08:12.455 --> 0:08:15.655 much assumed you and I that that we're pretty sweet. 0:08:15.655 --> 0:08:17.895 Remember my little barrister brother that's getting. 0:08:17.615 --> 0:08:19.775 A bit, Yeah, he's on the whole thing, on the 0:08:19.815 --> 0:08:20.175 whole thing. 0:08:20.735 --> 0:08:27.135 Yeah. Anyway, when I hung up, no, No, I heard 0:08:27.175 --> 0:08:32.535 your next caller talking about waterproofing, waterproofing the shower somewhere 0:08:32.615 --> 0:08:34.815 where it was, and you made the point anything yet, 0:08:34.815 --> 0:08:37.135 I'll have to get a consent on that. And then 0:08:37.175 --> 0:08:39.335 I was just like, hang on, we're doing do we 0:08:39.455 --> 0:08:41.855 have to get a consent for the waterproofing of the 0:08:41.935 --> 0:08:44.975 shower that's being replaced to the shower that's been ripped out. 0:08:46.575 --> 0:08:49.895 If what Now, let's just be very very clear. The 0:08:50.015 --> 0:08:55.495 shower that's there currently is a tile shower over a substrate, 0:08:55.575 --> 0:08:57.695 so over five a cement board or something like that, 0:08:58.255 --> 0:09:01.055 and it's it's all been formed, it's been waterproofed, and 0:09:01.135 --> 0:09:07.735 then it's been tiled over the top. Right, what's there, No. 0:09:07.855 --> 0:09:10.535 It's just it's been ripped out. Now, what's sitting there 0:09:10.775 --> 0:09:14.295 is basically, you know, a space for your tray to 0:09:14.335 --> 0:09:15.775 go in and do what it needs to do, and 0:09:15.855 --> 0:09:18.375 but some pieces and yeah it's not even a tiled area. 0:09:18.975 --> 0:09:21.695 No, but what was there? What was the originally what 0:09:21.895 --> 0:09:22.855 was the original shower? 0:09:24.415 --> 0:09:26.095 I'm just thinking it was out and sleep out. You 0:09:26.215 --> 0:09:28.895 just face it was a brand new step into a job, 0:09:29.535 --> 0:09:33.335 you know sort of PBC bottom okay, glass, you know 0:09:33.455 --> 0:09:33.935 all that sort of. 0:09:34.695 --> 0:09:37.415 So this is where it gets interesting. So that type 0:09:37.415 --> 0:09:40.255 of shower, which effects will call a pre formed shower. Right, 0:09:40.335 --> 0:09:42.735 So it's a shower unit. It's got a tray, it's 0:09:42.775 --> 0:09:45.335 got a liner, it's got some doors which are part 0:09:45.375 --> 0:09:48.695 of the kits sett and it's got some instructions. Right, 0:09:49.215 --> 0:09:54.255 So that's considered low risk. Right, they typically are fairly robust, 0:09:54.375 --> 0:09:57.175 they don't tend to leak if you install them correctly, 0:09:58.175 --> 0:10:02.215 and so they can be installed without triggering the requirement 0:10:02.295 --> 0:10:05.735 for a building consent. But if you were to go, actually, 0:10:05.855 --> 0:10:08.055 i want it to be a bit flash, So I'm 0:10:08.135 --> 0:10:11.135 going to create some fall on the floor and I'm 0:10:11.135 --> 0:10:13.455 going to do a waterproof membrane. I'm going to tile 0:10:13.575 --> 0:10:16.815 over that. Then that triggers the requirement for a building 0:10:16.895 --> 0:10:20.695 consent because there is a there is more complexity in that, 0:10:20.895 --> 0:10:23.895 and there is more potential for failure, and typically the 0:10:24.015 --> 0:10:27.935 failures are not as obvious until you have, you know, 0:10:28.055 --> 0:10:31.135 significant damage in the wall. So for those reasons, that 0:10:31.255 --> 0:10:34.135 triggers the requirement for building consent. So if you know 0:10:34.335 --> 0:10:37.175 and put another pre made shower in, just go ahead. 0:10:37.575 --> 0:10:40.135 Yeah any fine, Yeah, I think we're heating down the 0:10:40.495 --> 0:10:42.855 child route and making a nice wet area and all 0:10:42.855 --> 0:10:43.455 that sort of stuff. 0:10:43.455 --> 0:10:50.175 You know that will require a consent. Yeap, tick one 0:10:50.255 --> 0:10:55.575 to the brother in law. Yeah great, all the best, 0:10:56.015 --> 0:11:01.575 take care all the Then eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:11:01.735 --> 0:11:03.695 is the number to call. I'm just going to have 0:11:03.695 --> 0:11:05.095 a quick look at this text before we go to 0:11:05.175 --> 0:11:08.055 the break. There was a report on z B the 0:11:08.175 --> 0:11:11.055 other day that looked at earnings across the trades till 0:11:11.095 --> 0:11:15.655 the age of forty five. Builders actually earned the least overall, 0:11:15.775 --> 0:11:20.895 with digger drivers earning the most. Interesting times from Tony, Tony, 0:11:20.975 --> 0:11:25.175 we could have a lot of discussion around the relative 0:11:25.935 --> 0:11:31.895 rates of pay for the responsibility. I'm going to add 0:11:32.015 --> 0:11:35.855 that in there for trade various trades. And look, if 0:11:35.935 --> 0:11:39.055 you ever get a bunch of you know, smoko on 0:11:39.135 --> 0:11:41.215 a site with a sparky and a plumber and a 0:11:41.295 --> 0:11:45.855 drain layer and a chippy, this will come up and 0:11:47.015 --> 0:11:51.695 in a nutshell. The argument has always been that carpenters 0:11:52.735 --> 0:11:57.495 or the lead contractor is underpaid given the responsibility that 0:11:57.575 --> 0:12:00.695 they have for the site. So I was looking at 0:12:00.735 --> 0:12:03.495 some pricing for a job the other day. Sort of 0:12:03.615 --> 0:12:07.055 leading hand on a project would be paid between sixty 0:12:07.095 --> 0:12:12.215 five and seventy five dollars an hour. Carpentry now plumbers 0:12:12.295 --> 0:12:17.575 rates with respect probably anywhere between ninety and one hundred 0:12:17.615 --> 0:12:22.615 and ten dollars per hour. Sparky probably about the same, 0:12:24.175 --> 0:12:27.855 and I suppose they. I guess what's interesting is Sparky's 0:12:27.855 --> 0:12:31.175 obviously are a registered trade in the sense that they 0:12:31.255 --> 0:12:34.735 can issue a certificate of compliance to COC at the 0:12:34.815 --> 0:12:39.095 end of it. Plumbers obviously are registered as well, but 0:12:39.175 --> 0:12:41.975 plumbers still need to have their work inspected by counsel, 0:12:42.055 --> 0:12:43.975 although that might change. That was a bit of an 0:12:44.015 --> 0:12:46.695 insight after having a discussion with a couple of people 0:12:46.775 --> 0:12:49.855 at the home show this week, and then drain layers, 0:12:49.895 --> 0:12:52.815 for example, are self certified, or gas fitters rather are 0:12:52.855 --> 0:12:56.895 self certifying. So but the argument has always been look 0:12:57.695 --> 0:13:01.695 typically the carpentry people on site or the head carpenter 0:13:01.775 --> 0:13:03.975 on a job, is the one who often ends up 0:13:04.015 --> 0:13:07.455 kind of project managing and having response ability for the 0:13:07.615 --> 0:13:13.095 other trades, ensuring not necessarily ensuring their compliance, but ensuring 0:13:13.135 --> 0:13:16.575 that their works up to standard, monitoring their work, programming 0:13:16.615 --> 0:13:19.695 their work, et cetera, et cetera, and their rate is 0:13:19.935 --> 0:13:24.535 fifteen twenty thirty dollars less. Anyway, someone might have picked 0:13:24.575 --> 0:13:27.615 on a scab that is obviously not quite healed. In 0:13:27.695 --> 0:13:31.375 my life, it is eighteen nineteen minutes after six. If 0:13:31.415 --> 0:13:33.495 you've got a question of a building nature, oh, eight 0:13:33.655 --> 0:13:36.375 hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Take 0:13:36.375 --> 0:13:38.375 a break. We've got some spear lines, so jump in now. 0:13:38.735 --> 0:13:42.335 And remember if you've got any specific painting questions, please 0:13:42.375 --> 0:13:44.935 text them through nine two ninety two. J Our painting 0:13:45.015 --> 0:13:48.015 expert from Razine will join us at seven twenty five 0:13:48.135 --> 0:13:51.575 this morning. I have to say too, it was nice 0:13:51.695 --> 0:13:54.575 catching up with the people from Life Force Solar who 0:13:54.615 --> 0:13:58.695 sponsor this program. They're at the Home Show as well, 0:13:58.895 --> 0:14:01.655 and just an opportunity to catch up and chat and 0:14:01.855 --> 0:14:06.015 talk about solar and where it's heading and what's attractive 0:14:06.015 --> 0:14:08.415 about it at the moment and the technology that's coming. 0:14:08.535 --> 0:14:10.335 So that was good fun as well. Lots of people 0:14:10.375 --> 0:14:12.095 to talk to at the Home Show. Like I said, 0:14:12.375 --> 0:14:16.135 I went to do work there on Friday and then 0:14:16.535 --> 0:14:19.295 but I ended up stopping by on Thursday, kind of 0:14:19.375 --> 0:14:21.775 mooching around and just catching up with a bunch of 0:14:21.815 --> 0:14:24.455 people Nano Clear for example, who have been on the 0:14:24.495 --> 0:14:28.135 show once or twice over the years, the people from 0:14:28.215 --> 0:14:31.415 a Sea of Fires, and we've talked to them over 0:14:31.455 --> 0:14:33.255 the years as well, So a bit of a catch 0:14:33.335 --> 0:14:36.415 up there and looking at new fireplaces that they're developing. 0:14:36.535 --> 0:14:39.935 And they're also involved in that Fire for Life project. 0:14:40.455 --> 0:14:44.935 Look that up. Actually, Fire for Life is a fantastic 0:14:45.015 --> 0:14:49.975 initiative out of the Sea factory in Dunedin providing essentially 0:14:50.215 --> 0:14:57.415 safe and practical cooking solutions for people that are displaced 0:14:57.455 --> 0:14:59.455 and we're thinking refugee camps and that sort of thing. 0:15:01.015 --> 0:15:03.495 It's worth having a look at. So yeah, great opportunity 0:15:03.535 --> 0:15:05.455 to mooch around and catch up with people. I also 0:15:05.575 --> 0:15:09.375 did my album VP Renewal this week talking about trades 0:15:09.415 --> 0:15:12.415 and what trades have to do. So I'm a licensed 0:15:12.415 --> 0:15:17.335 building practitioner and have been since twoenty twelve, I think 0:15:17.815 --> 0:15:20.735 is when I first got licensed. And then the requirement 0:15:20.895 --> 0:15:23.095 is that every year have to renew your license. In 0:15:23.215 --> 0:15:27.535 every two years you have to fulfill some obligations in 0:15:27.695 --> 0:15:32.535 terms of learning professional development effectively. And I'll run you 0:15:32.615 --> 0:15:34.455 through what that is because it's probably a bit of 0:15:34.455 --> 0:15:37.455 an insight as to how do people get to be 0:15:37.495 --> 0:15:40.095 an LBP and then how do they stay in LBP. 0:15:40.615 --> 0:15:42.735 We'll talk about that in the moment. Clayton, good morning 0:15:42.815 --> 0:15:42.975 to you. 0:15:44.015 --> 0:15:48.575 Yes, good morning Peter Bone. Justus ringing because I was 0:15:48.655 --> 0:15:51.415 quite amazed. I have a house which was built in 0:15:51.535 --> 0:15:54.935 two thousand and three, Yes, and it does have double 0:15:55.055 --> 0:15:56.215 glazed windows. 0:15:56.415 --> 0:15:56.575 Yes. 0:15:57.175 --> 0:16:01.295 However, when I I've got the windows that are obviously 0:16:01.495 --> 0:16:06.175 failing now when I looked up on Google, I saw 0:16:06.415 --> 0:16:11.655 that double glazed windows only have a lifespan of something 0:16:11.815 --> 0:16:18.815 around fifteen to twenty years, and then like they fail 0:16:19.135 --> 0:16:22.375 at that stage, And that is what's happened with a 0:16:22.455 --> 0:16:26.255 couple of windows which are on the north side of 0:16:26.375 --> 0:16:31.015 my house. But when I say they've failed, you can see, 0:16:31.615 --> 0:16:34.415 no matter how much I clean them inside and outside, 0:16:34.455 --> 0:16:37.375 the dirt is obviously on the inside there's a big 0:16:37.575 --> 0:16:42.895 round mark that looks like it may be a sucker. 0:16:44.215 --> 0:16:50.055 On the inside. Yes, okay, when the go ahead. 0:16:49.935 --> 0:16:54.815 And when they've numbered the glass, they've obviously had a 0:16:56.015 --> 0:16:59.375 pean of some sort and they've numbered the glass, and 0:16:59.495 --> 0:17:02.615 you can still they've cleaned it off, but it's itched 0:17:02.695 --> 0:17:05.895 into the glass on the inside. I can tell it 0:17:06.775 --> 0:17:12.895 one seven five and one seven six, right. And I 0:17:13.135 --> 0:17:17.255 was actually quite amazed because I felt that double glazed 0:17:18.255 --> 0:17:21.535 windows would have been sort of a lifetime thing rather 0:17:21.695 --> 0:17:25.175 than only having a lifespan of fifteen to twenty years. 0:17:26.295 --> 0:17:28.775 Okay, let's step through a whole bunch of things here, 0:17:28.855 --> 0:17:32.415 because you raised some really interesting points. Look, I think 0:17:32.455 --> 0:17:35.855 in terms of seeing a sucker mark, and that's that's 0:17:35.935 --> 0:17:39.015 those justice that they use to move glass around, right, 0:17:40.255 --> 0:17:42.415 if there's a remnant of that on the inside of 0:17:42.455 --> 0:17:45.815 the glass, then that's an issue with quality control in 0:17:45.855 --> 0:17:50.215 the factory, right, and that's inexcusable, right. But I also 0:17:50.415 --> 0:17:54.295 understand that back then, and while it doesn't seem like 0:17:54.375 --> 0:17:56.415 a long time ago to you and I, it's you know, 0:17:56.575 --> 0:18:00.215 it's twenty one years ago, how double glazed units in 0:18:00.375 --> 0:18:04.175 general were and were manufactured is quite different to what 0:18:04.495 --> 0:18:07.775 I've seen today. So and I'll step you through that 0:18:07.855 --> 0:18:10.255 in a moment, and things like pen marks and that 0:18:10.375 --> 0:18:13.215 sort of thing that's all about quality control the other 0:18:13.295 --> 0:18:17.935 thing that has changed quite dramatically. And I've seen this 0:18:18.055 --> 0:18:20.855 even in the time that I've been involved with I 0:18:20.975 --> 0:18:23.175 do quite a bit of work with Metro Performance Glass, 0:18:23.215 --> 0:18:27.415 who make double glazing units, right, and so having been 0:18:27.455 --> 0:18:31.055 out to the factory probably seven eight years ago, the 0:18:32.415 --> 0:18:35.855 way in which they assemble the double glazed units is 0:18:35.975 --> 0:18:38.735 quite different today than even back then, and that it 0:18:38.775 --> 0:18:41.415 would have been radically different to twenty one years ago, 0:18:41.935 --> 0:18:44.295 where it would have been a much more manual process. 0:18:44.415 --> 0:18:47.455 So that spacer that goes between the two double glazed 0:18:47.535 --> 0:18:51.335 units would typically have been in a role it would 0:18:51.375 --> 0:18:55.815 have been hand fastened you know, with a bead of 0:18:55.895 --> 0:18:58.975 sealant and so on embedded on there and cut individually, 0:18:59.415 --> 0:19:02.295 there's lots of touching and movement and so on. The 0:19:02.695 --> 0:19:04.935 modern day systems, or the systems that are in the 0:19:05.015 --> 0:19:09.095 factory today, the ones i've seen, anyway, it is completely automated. 0:19:09.175 --> 0:19:11.855 So it's a hands free process. And that's an automated 0:19:11.935 --> 0:19:16.735 process where the glass comes along, it's going along on 0:19:16.815 --> 0:19:20.615 a conveyor. It's not touched by human hands in anyway. 0:19:21.215 --> 0:19:24.335 The bead is applied as a continuous motion by in 0:19:24.455 --> 0:19:28.535 a robotic sense, and then it goes into a cleansing process. 0:19:28.695 --> 0:19:30.975 The air that's in it is dumped out, replaced with 0:19:31.095 --> 0:19:34.055 the gas, and then the two pieces are fastened together 0:19:34.095 --> 0:19:37.015 and then they come out of the system. So I 0:19:37.135 --> 0:19:41.015 think the way in which units are manufactured today is 0:19:41.135 --> 0:19:43.695 far better than what they would have been in two 0:19:43.735 --> 0:19:46.655 thousand and three. And I think sometimes when you have 0:19:46.775 --> 0:19:50.495 those manual processes, you will get a failure there in 0:19:50.615 --> 0:19:53.695 double glazed units. It's not terribly common, but I have 0:19:53.815 --> 0:19:57.015 seen it myself. Right what you're describing. 0:19:57.095 --> 0:19:57.255 Though. 0:19:57.855 --> 0:20:00.615 If I was to say a double glazed unit has failed, 0:20:01.055 --> 0:20:04.815 what I would say is I've seen condensation on the inside. 0:20:04.935 --> 0:20:05.215 So the. 0:20:07.535 --> 0:20:10.055 Inside the double glaze unit, back in the day, you 0:20:10.415 --> 0:20:12.535 just fill it with air, right the air that we breathe, 0:20:12.775 --> 0:20:16.895 and that works. Today it's filled with gas, so it's 0:20:16.935 --> 0:20:21.735 an argonne gas or other types of gases which help 0:20:21.815 --> 0:20:25.295 with the insulation, but also they help with the longevity 0:20:25.575 --> 0:20:28.815 of the double glaze unit. And also there's what they 0:20:28.895 --> 0:20:31.895 call a desiccant inside the double glaze unit, and that 0:20:32.095 --> 0:20:36.575 helps control moisture. So if there's any moisture present inside 0:20:36.615 --> 0:20:40.415 the double glaze unit, you'll see condensation develop inside the unit. 0:20:40.815 --> 0:20:43.495 And like I would say, that's the failure of a 0:20:43.615 --> 0:20:46.655 unit is when you see condensation in it. The other 0:20:46.735 --> 0:20:48.855 thing too, is that in terms of requirement with the 0:20:48.935 --> 0:20:51.815 building code, many of these sorts of things have what 0:20:51.895 --> 0:20:55.895 they call a minimum warranty period. Right, So for example, 0:20:56.175 --> 0:21:00.935 your roof is only required by law to last for 0:21:01.135 --> 0:21:03.415 fifteen years, in the same way that you're cladding is 0:21:03.535 --> 0:21:07.655 only required to last fifteen years. Systems within a house 0:21:07.695 --> 0:21:11.215 are only required to last five years as a mandatory 0:21:11.455 --> 0:21:14.895 minimum requirement. What we've got to be careful about doing 0:21:14.975 --> 0:21:17.935 is saying that somehow we regard that is as long 0:21:18.015 --> 0:21:20.535 as it's going to last, and so in the same 0:21:20.615 --> 0:21:23.815 way that you'll find double glaze units that might fail 0:21:23.935 --> 0:21:26.775 after fifteen or twenty years. It's a rarity, but it 0:21:26.815 --> 0:21:29.975 does happen. What we will find as we go forward 0:21:30.055 --> 0:21:32.095 is that we might see double glaze units that are 0:21:32.415 --> 0:21:36.015 thirty and forty years old that are still functioning. Okay, 0:21:37.015 --> 0:21:41.255 but their requirement in terms of the building code and 0:21:41.375 --> 0:21:44.695 the durability requirements in the building code is often they 0:21:44.775 --> 0:21:49.375 are expected to perform for fifteen years, like a concrete 0:21:49.375 --> 0:21:51.055 tile roof or an iron roof or something like that, 0:21:51.215 --> 0:21:54.375 or an exterior cladding structures, for example, are required to 0:21:54.615 --> 0:21:58.455 perform for fifty years. So you're timber framing, lintels, all 0:21:58.495 --> 0:22:01.095 of those sorts of things, floor slabs, they're expected to 0:22:01.175 --> 0:22:03.975 last fifty years. Other things not so much. Yeah. 0:22:04.775 --> 0:22:10.895 So if I replace these this glass paneling and the doors, yeah, 0:22:11.015 --> 0:22:13.295 I can expect it to last a bit longer today. 0:22:13.575 --> 0:22:16.495 Yeah, and I think too. I mean, funnily enough, I 0:22:16.615 --> 0:22:21.935 was actually with Metro Performance Glass on their stand and 0:22:22.055 --> 0:22:25.175 so we've we've got this little display with these heat boxes, right, 0:22:25.295 --> 0:22:28.335 So you put a different types of double glazing in 0:22:28.415 --> 0:22:30.615 a panel and then you have a heat lamp underneath it, 0:22:30.735 --> 0:22:33.255 and you can feel the difference below them. And so 0:22:33.935 --> 0:22:35.975 you know, when we're talking to people about double glazing, 0:22:36.015 --> 0:22:38.495 you kind of go, well, look, here's some of the differences. 0:22:38.575 --> 0:22:41.775 So having been to the factory, or at least to 0:22:41.855 --> 0:22:45.695 the Metro Glass factory, seeing it and seeing the I 0:22:45.775 --> 0:22:50.175 guess the standard of the manufacture. I think it's reasonable 0:22:50.255 --> 0:22:53.095 to expect that the double glaze units will last longer 0:22:53.775 --> 0:22:55.735 simply because the way that we put them together is 0:22:55.855 --> 0:22:59.495 better than we used to better. Okay, but certainly if 0:22:59.535 --> 0:23:02.495 you are yeah, great, nice talking with you as well. 0:23:04.295 --> 0:23:05.255 You explained it all. 0:23:05.415 --> 0:23:08.415 It's a pleasure you take care all of this. Blah 0:23:08.415 --> 0:23:11.415 blah blah. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The number 0:23:11.495 --> 0:23:15.415 coll just quickly. So as an LBP, so I'm a 0:23:15.495 --> 0:23:19.535 licensed building practitioner and my license classes are carpentry and 0:23:19.735 --> 0:23:26.255