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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.

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Speaker 2: The house is a hole even when it's dark, even

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Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when

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Speaker 2: the dog is too old to borrow, and when you're

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Speaker 2: sitting at the table trying not to start and scissor

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Speaker 2: home even when we are band gone, even when you're

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Speaker 2: there alone. The house is a home, even when those goes,

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Speaker 2: even when.

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Speaker 3: You got around from the world you love your most.

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Speaker 2: Screams bulding plans, being in fund the world locals vesta

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Speaker 2: when they're gone, leaving them house, even when Wilbane eating

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Speaker 2: when you're elone.

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Speaker 4: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the

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Speaker 4: Resident Builder on Sunday you with peterwolf Camp Resident Builder,

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Speaker 4: and this is a show well really exactly for you.

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Speaker 5: If you are.

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Speaker 4: Renovating, altering, maintaining, building planning, thinking, musing around any sort

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Speaker 4: of building project that you would like to discuss, well,

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Speaker 4: this is the show for you. Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you'd

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Speaker 4: like to text, You're more than welcome to do that

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Speaker 4: as well. That's nine two nine two is ZBZB from

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Speaker 4: the mobile phone and if you'd like to email me

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Speaker 4: by all means Pete at newstalksb dot co dot in seed.

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Speaker 4: Trust that you've had a really good week. If you've

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Speaker 4: been involved in a project of any size or scale,

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Speaker 4: then I hope that it's been successful for you. I

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Speaker 4: hope that it's been there's been some progress, some real

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Speaker 4: progress on a project that you might be undertaking. And

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Speaker 4: maybe if it's not so much progress and you want

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Speaker 4: to talk about that, then the lines are open, the

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Speaker 4: number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Kind

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Speaker 4: of been a busy old week for me. I've actually

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Speaker 4: spent a bit of time and bumped into a whole

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Speaker 4: bunch of people that listen to the show at the

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Speaker 4: Home Show, which is currently on at the Auckland show

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Speaker 4: Grounds at the moments. I've been hanging out with a

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Speaker 4: couple of companies that I do some work with, so

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Speaker 4: Ryobi and Bailey Tanks and the good people at Retrofit DG,

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Speaker 4: So an opportunity to catch up with actually someone that

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Speaker 4: we interviewed on show a little while ago, the head

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Speaker 4: of the Master Plumbers Association for New Zealand's a bit

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Speaker 4: actually the newly installed head of Master Plumbers in Auckland,

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Speaker 4: who's actually a plumber that I knew from sort of

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Speaker 4: ten twelve years ago, Ben Maine, who's taken on that role.

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Speaker 4: So interesting just to connect with people in a lot

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Speaker 4: of discussion, of course, about what the state of the

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Speaker 4: industry is, how busy people are or how quiet people are.

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Speaker 4: We're getting people's take on some of the political side

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Speaker 4: last ten years, certainly since I've been doing the show,

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Speaker 4: but possibly even a little bit longer we're building and

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Speaker 4: building issues have been as political as they are right now,

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Speaker 4: in terms of governments proposing changes to building legislation, looking

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Speaker 4: It's a fairly hot topic in terms of politics and

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Speaker 4: the construction sector. Right now. But it's and in terms

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Speaker 4: That horizon keeps being pushed out. You talk to almost

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Speaker 4: any and I've probably had on a fifteen twenty discussions

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Speaker 4: we've been through it before. We had it in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and seven, we had it in the mid nineties.

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Speaker 4: I started building in nine eighty seven during the stock

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Speaker 4: market crash. You know, there's lessons to be learnt out

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Speaker 4: how you make sure that you're always ready for that

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Speaker 4: maybe I can just make one. I found one in

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I could make that, which I might

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Speaker 4: that too. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, let's

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Speaker 4: get into it. Good morning, Welcome to the show. In

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Speaker 4: the next hour, Jay, our painting expert from Razine Paints,

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Speaker 4: will be with us as well, So seven twenty five,

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Speaker 4: Jail join us. If you've got any specific painting questions,

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Speaker 4: text them through to me now, we'll line them up

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Speaker 4: twenty five this morning, and of course, as always we're

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Speaker 4: this morning. Welcome, Welcome, welcome, looking forward to chatting with

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Speaker 4: you this morning. It is time for your calls. Oh,

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number Aaron, Good morning, Good.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Pete. How are you a friend?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not too bad. What about yourself?

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Speaker 5: Oh made a little bit a little bit grumpy on

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Speaker 5: the apes. The staff has played well, you know, so

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Speaker 5: we've got to give it to them.

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Speaker 4: I don't often give it to them, but I happened

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Speaker 4: and saw AB's a leading I was like, Okay, well

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Speaker 4: maybe I should have stayed up. Yeah, anyway, what can

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Speaker 4: we do? What are we talking about?

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Speaker 5: Very very quickly, you may remember I had a conversation

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Speaker 4: We got a batch your family.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the obviously cyclelled. Gabriel came through and jib

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Speaker 5: and and all that sort of stuff. We're ripping out

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Speaker 5: sort of said to you, then, what do we need

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Speaker 5: to do contenting or is it anything we need to do.

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Speaker 5: When we had a bit of a chat, we pretty

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Speaker 5: much assumed you and I that that we're pretty sweet.

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Speaker 5: Remember my little barrister brother that's getting.

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Speaker 4: A bit, Yeah, he's on the whole thing, on the

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Anyway, when I hung up, no, No, I heard

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Speaker 5: your next caller talking about waterproofing, waterproofing the shower somewhere

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Speaker 5: where it was, and you made the point anything yet,

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Speaker 5: I'll have to get a consent on that. And then

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Speaker 5: I was just like, hang on, we're doing do we

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Speaker 5: have to get a consent for the waterproofing of the

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Speaker 5: shower that's being replaced to the shower that's been ripped out.

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Speaker 4: If what Now, let's just be very very clear. The

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Speaker 4: shower that's there currently is a tile shower over a substrate,

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Speaker 4: so over five a cement board or something like that,

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Speaker 4: and it's it's all been formed, it's been waterproofed, and

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Speaker 4: then it's been tiled over the top. Right, what's there, No.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's been ripped out. Now, what's sitting there

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Speaker 5: but some pieces and yeah it's not even a tiled area.

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Speaker 4: No, but what was there? What was the originally what

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Speaker 4: was the original shower?

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Speaker 5: I'm just thinking it was out and sleep out. You

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Speaker 5: you know sort of PBC bottom okay, glass, you know

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Speaker 4: So this is where it gets interesting. So that type

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Speaker 4: So it's a shower unit. It's got a tray, it's

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Speaker 4: got a liner, it's got some doors which are part

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Speaker 4: of the kits sett and it's got some instructions. Right,

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Speaker 4: So that's considered low risk. Right, they typically are fairly robust,

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Speaker 4: they don't tend to leak if you install them correctly,

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Speaker 4: and so they can be installed without triggering the requirement

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Speaker 4: for a building consent. But if you were to go, actually,

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Speaker 4: going to do a waterproof membrane. I'm going to tile

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Speaker 4: significant damage in the wall. So for those reasons, that

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Speaker 5: Yeah any fine, Yeah, I think we're heating down the

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Speaker 4: You know that will require a consent. Yeap, tick one

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Speaker 4: to the brother in law. Yeah great, all the best,

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Speaker 4: take care all the Then eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 4: a quick look at this text before we go to

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Speaker 4: the break. There was a report on z B the

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Speaker 4: other day that looked at earnings across the trades till

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Speaker 4: the age of forty five. Builders actually earned the least overall,

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Speaker 4: with digger drivers earning the most. Interesting times from Tony, Tony,

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Speaker 4: we could have a lot of discussion around the relative

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Speaker 4: that in there for trade various trades. And look, if

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Speaker 4: you ever get a bunch of you know, smoko on

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Speaker 4: a site with a sparky and a plumber and a

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Speaker 4: drain layer and a chippy, this will come up and

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Speaker 4: in a nutshell. The argument has always been that carpenters

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Speaker 4: or the lead contractor is underpaid given the responsibility that

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Speaker 4: they have for the site. So I was looking at

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Speaker 4: some pricing for a job the other day. Sort of

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Speaker 4: leading hand on a project would be paid between sixty

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Speaker 4: five and seventy five dollars an hour. Carpentry now plumbers

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Speaker 4: rates with respect probably anywhere between ninety and one hundred

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Speaker 4: and ten dollars per hour. Sparky probably about the same,

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Speaker 4: and I suppose they. I guess what's interesting is Sparky's

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Speaker 6: Yes, good morning Peter Bone. Justus ringing because I was

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Speaker 4: that two examples of that. That's fine. And then and

430
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Speaker 4: I have to prove fifteen hours of learning. So you

431
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Speaker 4: have to provide evidence that you've been engaged in either

432
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Speaker 4: online seminars or attending seminar. So you know, if they

433
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Speaker 4: do a trade breakfast, for example, and there's some product

434
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Speaker 4: suppliers there and you can learn about new products, you

435
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Speaker 4: need to record all of that, provide evidence and go along. Now,

436
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Speaker 4: in my instance, I'm in a fortunate position where I'm

437
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Speaker 4: often attending conferences. So been to the New Zealand Suit

438
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Speaker 4: of Building Survey, as I've been to construct. I went

439
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Speaker 4: to the New Zealand Green Building Council, Housing sit all

440
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Speaker 4: of these sorts of things, so I can add that

441
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Speaker 4: in and say, look, this is what I've been involved in,

442
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Speaker 4: this is my learning. To their credit, I actually put

443
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Speaker 4: it in, paid my money and I got an email

444
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Speaker 4: about an hour later saying here's your new LBP license.

445
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Speaker 4: They don't actually send you out of plastic license anymore.

446
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Speaker 4: It's basically a digital download, which helpfully enough has a

447
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Speaker 4: QR code on it, so that if I was to

448
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Speaker 4: go to one's house and say Hi, I'm Pete. I'm

449
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Speaker 4: the LBP coming to do some work at your place.

450
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Speaker 4: They could say can I see your license please, and

451
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Speaker 4: then you could show them the license, show them the

452
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Speaker 4: QR code and they could scan it to check whether

453
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Speaker 4: you were actually licensed. Because all of this is on

454
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Speaker 4: a public register. If you don't license, for example, or

455
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Speaker 4: you let your license lapse, that stays on the public

456
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Speaker 4: register as well. Also, if you end up having a

457
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Speaker 4: complaint against you, that is, you've been found to have

458
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Speaker 4: not complied with the regulations and you've gone to the

459
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Speaker 4: disciplinary board and a complaint has been upheld, that will

460
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Speaker 4: also stay on your license. Is either three or seven years.

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Speaker 4: I think it's three years. Stays on your license as

462
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Speaker 4: well on the public register.

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Speaker 8: So there you go.

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Speaker 4: That's a bit of an insight into being an LBP.

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Speaker 4: To be fair, I'm pleased I had sort of half

466
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Speaker 4: a day free to go through it. Anyway, I have

467
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Speaker 4: done it, So there we go. BP number one two

468
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Speaker 4: zero zero nine eight is all up today. Oh, eight

469
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Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We'll

470
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Speaker 4: take short break actually, and then we'll come to Allison.

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Speaker 4: If you'd like to join US eight hundred eighty ten

472
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Speaker 4: eighty is the number your news talks there'd be Allison

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Speaker 4: A very good morning, Oh good morning.

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Speaker 9: Thank you very much for answering my questions today. I

475
00:27:23,895 --> 00:27:26,935
Speaker 9: did actually ask you on the twenty fifth of August,

476
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Speaker 9: and I tried to get to listen to your replies

477
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Speaker 9: again on the podcast, but it didn't come through. So

478
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Speaker 9: I've just spoken to your producer, yes technician, and he

479
00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:46,335
Speaker 9: suggested I ask again, go for it. How do your

480
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Speaker 9: test to smoke damage to paint, carpets, linen, et cetera.

481
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Speaker 9: You said to me that time that visual wasn't enough.

482
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Speaker 9: Is there a test?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think it's a test. That's a

484
00:27:58,815 --> 00:28:01,655
Speaker 4: kind of DIY thing. I think what you'd need to

485
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Speaker 4: do is either through your insurer or through a building

486
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Speaker 4: consultant finds building scientists. There are, for example, there's quite

487
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Speaker 4: a lot of remediation companies around now who specialize in

488
00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:21,015
Speaker 4: flood and fire repair, and they will either have themselves

489
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Speaker 4: in house or they will have consultants that they can

490
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Speaker 4: use to do that sort of assessment. Right, So it's

491
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Speaker 4: a proper technical process, it's a scientific process. There should

492
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Speaker 4: be a testing regime and there should be an evidence

493
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Speaker 4: based finding.

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Speaker 9: I had a house fire and the smoke damage was

495
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Speaker 9: pretty bad, very bad, and it's been cleaned, but I

496
00:28:46,135 --> 00:28:49,815
Speaker 9: can still smell smoke, and so can other people.

497
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Speaker 7: It's not just me.

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Speaker 9: Do I have any rights of done under insurance guarantees?

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Speaker 8: Can you?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a really good one. Look, I think I'm

501
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Speaker 4: just trying to think which piece of legislation this might

502
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Speaker 4: come down to. I mean, in some ways it's around

503
00:29:14,335 --> 00:29:17,935
Speaker 4: consumer guarantees, isn't it. You know, you have a contract

504
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Speaker 4: with your insurer to provide insurance cover for your house,

505
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Speaker 4: and if, for example, in that insurance cover as it

506
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Speaker 4: relates to fire there, you know you'd have to go

507
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Speaker 4: through and look at the fine print of your contract

508
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Speaker 4: there and does that include complete remediation of fire damage?

509
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Speaker 4: And does it define what is fire damage? So is

510
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Speaker 4: fire damage only charring like where the fire actually incinerated

511
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Speaker 4: an object? Or does fire Can the definition of fire

512
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Speaker 4: damage be extended to smoke damage for example? Like it

513
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Speaker 4: would be clear so if the fibrigade come in and

514
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Speaker 4: they pour a bunch of water through your property and

515
00:30:03,535 --> 00:30:07,095
Speaker 4: it damages things, that's related to the fire. So I

516
00:30:07,175 --> 00:30:10,615
Speaker 4: would have thought that smoke and the effect of smoke.

517
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Speaker 4: I either lingering smell is should be part of the remediation.

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Speaker 4: And again I haven't I'm not firsthand involved in this,

519
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Speaker 4: but I am involved with a project at the moment

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Speaker 4: where we did have a fire in a building and

521
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Speaker 4: then the remediation team that came provided a professional, science

522
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Speaker 4: based assessment of the fire, not just the fire damage

523
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Speaker 4: but the smoke damage, and then provided a essentially a

524
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Speaker 4: template for the remediation of that. So, for example, we

525
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Speaker 4: are going to do this in this particular room which

526
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Speaker 4: didn't have any fire damage, but it was full of smoke.

527
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Speaker 4: And you could tell, you know, five six, seven days afterwards,

528
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Speaker 4: that this room had been full of smoke. And that's

529
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Speaker 4: probably what you're describing, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Yes, you can very much see the evidence stayed right

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Speaker 9: through the house of the rooms, and that was very

532
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Speaker 9: obvious to see.

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Speaker 4: It's for you, Allison. In the first instance, I'd probably

534
00:31:15,095 --> 00:31:17,455
Speaker 4: go back to the insurance company. They'll probably put you

535
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Speaker 4: onto the assessor and say to the assessor, look, I've

536
00:31:21,615 --> 00:31:26,215
Speaker 4: got these concerns about the outcome of the remediation and

537
00:31:26,415 --> 00:31:30,535
Speaker 4: ask them to provide you with to send someone who

538
00:31:30,575 --> 00:31:32,415
Speaker 4: will do testing inside your house.

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00:31:33,895 --> 00:31:35,495
Speaker 9: It's the insurance company to that.

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Speaker 4: Go to the insurance company and make that request. Now,

541
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Speaker 4: if the insurance company don't respond or the assessor takes

542
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Speaker 4: a well, look, if I delay this long enough, they'll

543
00:31:44,935 --> 00:31:47,575
Speaker 4: stop asking me type of reproach and let's be blunt

544
00:31:47,695 --> 00:31:52,535
Speaker 4: that happens. Then I would suggest that you have a

545
00:31:52,575 --> 00:31:56,495
Speaker 4: look around maybe for a building consultant, so possibly someone

546
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Speaker 4: who's a member of the New Zealand Institute of Building

547
00:31:59,135 --> 00:32:03,295
Speaker 4: Surveys for example. So a company that I don't have

548
00:32:03,335 --> 00:32:06,935
Speaker 4: any engagement with them, but Prendos for example in Auckland, right,

549
00:32:07,775 --> 00:32:11,895
Speaker 4: they're building surveyors. They have the ability to send in

550
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:15,655
Speaker 4: teams that will do the fire remediation and do they'll

551
00:32:15,695 --> 00:32:20,095
Speaker 4: contract in the testing. So you're looking for it, yep,

552
00:32:20,375 --> 00:32:21,175
Speaker 4: that's what I would do.

553
00:32:21,655 --> 00:32:24,015
Speaker 9: And then New Zealand what was the name of that?

554
00:32:24,295 --> 00:32:25,775
Speaker 4: So if you have a look on the website for

555
00:32:25,855 --> 00:32:28,255
Speaker 4: the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys, so just Building

556
00:32:28,335 --> 00:32:34,495
Speaker 4: Surveyors dot org dot nz there will be consultants there

557
00:32:34,535 --> 00:32:38,975
Speaker 4: who specialize in fire remediation. You could you could seek

558
00:32:39,055 --> 00:32:42,055
Speaker 4: some advice there. But certainly I know that it is

559
00:32:42,175 --> 00:32:47,775
Speaker 4: possible to have a professional come in test your property

560
00:32:48,215 --> 00:32:51,215
Speaker 4: and give you a science based outcome that says this

561
00:32:51,495 --> 00:32:53,615
Speaker 4: is the extent of the smoke damage, which then you

562
00:32:53,695 --> 00:32:56,175
Speaker 4: could hand back to the insurer and go. Actually, as

563
00:32:56,295 --> 00:33:00,695
Speaker 4: part of your remediation, I've got insurance cover. You need

564
00:33:00,775 --> 00:33:04,255
Speaker 4: to come in and there's either specialist ways of cleaning

565
00:33:04,335 --> 00:33:08,575
Speaker 4: it or in fact, you might have to strip out

566
00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:12,535
Speaker 4: another room that wasn't fire damage but is smoke damaged

567
00:33:12,695 --> 00:33:14,935
Speaker 4: and that's the only way to remove that smell. But

568
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Speaker 4: you know, I know it requires a bit of pushing

569
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Speaker 4: back against the insurer, but I think it's worth doing.

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Speaker 9: Yes, So I'm not happy with how things are. That's

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Speaker 9: why I've asked for your game. And as to cover

572
00:33:29,775 --> 00:33:32,375
Speaker 9: smoke damage, the ceilings.

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00:33:31,935 --> 00:33:33,215
Speaker 10: Were black and gray.

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00:33:33,655 --> 00:33:37,095
Speaker 9: Yeah, they put on a ceiler and two top poats.

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Speaker 9: Is that enough to stop it?

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Speaker 4: It might be depending on the extent of the smoke damage, right,

577
00:33:42,935 --> 00:33:45,295
Speaker 4: So you know, if for example, they came in did

578
00:33:45,335 --> 00:33:48,695
Speaker 4: a really thorough clean, there's like there's special equipment in

579
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Speaker 4: terms of oxygenating spaces that will help remove that odor

580
00:33:53,015 --> 00:33:57,175
Speaker 4: from the smoke. And then they've applied very very specific

581
00:33:58,215 --> 00:34:01,375
Speaker 4: types of paint that will encapsulate that smoke damage. But

582
00:34:01,455 --> 00:34:03,815
Speaker 4: then they should also it's not unreasonable for you to

583
00:34:03,895 --> 00:34:06,575
Speaker 4: go please provide me with the data sheets of the

584
00:34:06,735 --> 00:34:10,535
Speaker 4: paint and a statement from the contractor has explained to

585
00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:14,695
Speaker 4: me what they've done, right, that's not unreasonable. So the

586
00:34:14,815 --> 00:34:18,215
Speaker 4: data sheet and you know, just request a statement from

587
00:34:18,295 --> 00:34:22,895
Speaker 4: the contractor explaining what they've done. And then you know,

588
00:34:23,695 --> 00:34:26,375
Speaker 4: like what guarantees are involved in that work? What's the warranty?

589
00:34:26,535 --> 00:34:28,095
Speaker 4: So you've put on a paint that says that it

590
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Speaker 4: will do this, what about if it doesn't do that?

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Speaker 6: You know?

592
00:34:32,255 --> 00:34:35,775
Speaker 4: So, yeah, some of these things push back, but it once.

593
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Speaker 4: I think if you don't get a reasonable response from

594
00:34:38,495 --> 00:34:41,855
Speaker 4: your insurer or their assessor, then you may well need

595
00:34:41,935 --> 00:34:44,935
Speaker 4: to contract a professional to argue on your behalf because

596
00:34:45,175 --> 00:34:49,535
Speaker 4: it does get quite technical and they will probably be

597
00:34:49,615 --> 00:34:52,735
Speaker 4: able to argue at a more technical level than you

598
00:34:53,055 --> 00:34:56,095
Speaker 4: will be able to do. With the greatest respect, Oh,

599
00:34:56,255 --> 00:34:58,215
Speaker 4: thank you very much. Let us know how you get

600
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Speaker 4: on it.

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Speaker 11: I can.

602
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Speaker 9: I'm going to be New Zealand and Stute.

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Speaker 4: Building Surveys have a look through there. There will be

604
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Speaker 4: specialists in that area. But you know, in the first instance,

605
00:35:11,055 --> 00:35:12,975
Speaker 4: before you end up spending your own money. I think

606
00:35:13,015 --> 00:35:16,335
Speaker 4: it's not unreasonable to go back to your insurer and go, hey, look,

607
00:35:16,655 --> 00:35:19,095
Speaker 4: I'd like you to provide me with some evidence that

608
00:35:19,495 --> 00:35:23,775
Speaker 4: the remediation that you've done is of a suitable standard and.

609
00:35:24,015 --> 00:35:26,895
Speaker 9: Your signs off. The certificate of compliance you spoke of.

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Speaker 4: That would only be if any restricted building work was done,

611
00:35:31,535 --> 00:35:34,455
Speaker 4: so you know, if for example, you had to get

612
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Speaker 4: a consent, then you'll have a certificate compliance at the

613
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:41,015
Speaker 4: end of it, code compliance. If for any electrical work.

614
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Speaker 9: This time around, you that I was entitled to ask

615
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Speaker 9: for a certificate of compliance.

616
00:35:48,135 --> 00:35:50,015
Speaker 4: I think that's more in terms of saying, look, I

617
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Speaker 4: want a statement a little bit in the same way

618
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Speaker 4: that I mentioned about the paint right, if they've said

619
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Speaker 4: this paint system is going to work, then it's not

620
00:35:58,055 --> 00:36:01,175
Speaker 4: unreasonable to ask for the data sheet and the warranty

621
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Speaker 4: on that and get some evidence from the contractor that

622
00:36:04,855 --> 00:36:06,535
Speaker 4: they've done what they said they were going to do

623
00:36:07,055 --> 00:36:09,415
Speaker 4: and provide you with a letter stating that, and that

624
00:36:09,775 --> 00:36:11,775
Speaker 4: effectively becomes a warranty on your part.

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00:36:12,695 --> 00:36:15,175
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, thank you, good luck.

626
00:36:15,735 --> 00:36:19,095
Speaker 4: All right, take care, Alison, all the very best. We

627
00:36:19,255 --> 00:36:20,855
Speaker 4: need to, yes, we do. We need to take short

628
00:36:20,895 --> 00:36:22,575
Speaker 4: break and then we'll be talking to Gail in just

629
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Speaker 4: a moment. Just quickly, just following on from Ellison's comments,

630
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Speaker 4: I just typed into good old Google smoke damage assessor

631
00:36:31,735 --> 00:36:34,135
Speaker 4: and it brought up a whole bunch of contractors. Now,

632
00:36:34,215 --> 00:36:35,735
Speaker 4: some of them are the people that will do the work.

633
00:36:35,855 --> 00:36:39,615
Speaker 4: Others are the assessors who can do the testing. So Allison,

634
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be terribly difficult to

635
00:36:43,375 --> 00:36:46,615
Speaker 4: find a contractor to do that work or an assessor

636
00:36:46,655 --> 00:36:48,575
Speaker 4: to come and do that work. Gail, A very good

637
00:36:48,615 --> 00:36:49,015
Speaker 4: morning to you.

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00:36:50,135 --> 00:36:53,375
Speaker 12: Yes, hello, Gail. We've just comes back from our son's

639
00:36:53,415 --> 00:36:57,135
Speaker 12: house and he said, quite nice you innovations. His new

640
00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:00,215
Speaker 12: aluminium windows have condensation on the outside.

641
00:37:00,335 --> 00:37:05,135
Speaker 4: Is that usual outside? Yes, that's perfect.

642
00:37:06,575 --> 00:37:07,575
Speaker 12: Okay, that's good.

643
00:37:07,735 --> 00:37:10,895
Speaker 4: That's exactly who we want our cold part of the

644
00:37:10,975 --> 00:37:13,455
Speaker 4: window to be, right, We want it to be on

645
00:37:13,535 --> 00:37:18,695
Speaker 4: the outside. So all of the talk at the moment

646
00:37:18,775 --> 00:37:22,895
Speaker 4: around better insulating properties and so on is to make

647
00:37:23,015 --> 00:37:27,015
Speaker 4: sure that the cold stays on the outside. If we've

648
00:37:27,055 --> 00:37:29,375
Speaker 4: got a house that's at twenty degrees and it's ten

649
00:37:29,415 --> 00:37:32,775
Speaker 4: degrees outside, for example, or fourteen degrees like it was

650
00:37:32,975 --> 00:37:36,815
Speaker 4: in Auckland overnight. We want that to be on the outside.

651
00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:40,135
Speaker 4: And so in that sense, that's exactly correct.

652
00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:44,055
Speaker 12: Okay, all I wanted it spoils the view, that's all.

653
00:37:45,135 --> 00:37:49,095
Speaker 4: Well, can I say? And I had a delightful conversation

654
00:37:49,215 --> 00:37:52,575
Speaker 4: with a family while I was on the stand yesterday

655
00:37:52,895 --> 00:37:57,135
Speaker 4: or the day before, rather about for years and years

656
00:37:57,135 --> 00:37:59,175
Speaker 4: and years they lived in a house where every morning

657
00:37:59,215 --> 00:38:02,255
Speaker 4: when they opened the window or open the blinds to

658
00:38:02,375 --> 00:38:05,015
Speaker 4: look out at the view, they had the condensation on

659
00:38:05,095 --> 00:38:08,215
Speaker 4: the inside. Right, So each time they had one of

660
00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:11,375
Speaker 4: those little window back things and they suck up the condensation,

661
00:38:11,975 --> 00:38:14,095
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. So I think having my view

662
00:38:14,295 --> 00:38:17,095
Speaker 4: spoiled by the condensation being on the outside of the

663
00:38:17,175 --> 00:38:20,575
Speaker 4: glass is far more desirable than having it on the

664
00:38:20,695 --> 00:38:22,015
Speaker 4: inside of the glass.

665
00:38:22,815 --> 00:38:25,815
Speaker 12: Located on the inside. Price for the renovation, right, And

666
00:38:25,935 --> 00:38:26,535
Speaker 12: now they've put.

667
00:38:26,495 --> 00:38:28,695
Speaker 4: In the DG and they've got it on the outside,

668
00:38:28,895 --> 00:38:33,095
Speaker 4: then it's working. Then it's working, which is awesome, lovely,

669
00:38:33,335 --> 00:38:39,895
Speaker 4: lovely to talk. Take care by then, Aaron, greetings to you.

670
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Speaker 13: You could think, good God, we have a driveway or

671
00:38:48,215 --> 00:38:51,375
Speaker 13: a long driveway property that's got a lot of paining.

672
00:38:51,575 --> 00:38:54,735
Speaker 13: Now the retaining wall was put in A sixty six

673
00:38:55,615 --> 00:38:59,495
Speaker 13: nineteen ninety six around there and just sort of down

674
00:38:59,935 --> 00:39:02,215
Speaker 13: down the whole driveway, which is a long slope to

675
00:39:02,295 --> 00:39:05,775
Speaker 13: driveway that the post of concrete did in yep, down

676
00:39:05,815 --> 00:39:08,135
Speaker 13: the retainer. Well, now there's a lot of never starting

677
00:39:08,255 --> 00:39:11,495
Speaker 13: to be cut off flat at the top. Yeah, starting

678
00:39:11,575 --> 00:39:14,655
Speaker 13: to show age now, and some of them are starting

679
00:39:14,695 --> 00:39:16,855
Speaker 13: to rock out on the top, and I'm thinking, right,

680
00:39:16,975 --> 00:39:17,535
Speaker 13: it's not good.

681
00:39:19,055 --> 00:39:20,175
Speaker 14: No, no, I want to.

682
00:39:20,455 --> 00:39:23,415
Speaker 13: Start ceiling off the top to stop the rain getting

683
00:39:23,455 --> 00:39:23,775
Speaker 13: into them.

684
00:39:23,815 --> 00:39:24,495
Speaker 15: How can I do that?

685
00:39:24,975 --> 00:39:29,095
Speaker 4: Okay, funny. I did this job, oh jeesz, ten fifteen

686
00:39:29,135 --> 00:39:32,255
Speaker 4: years ago, working on a property, big long retaining wall,

687
00:39:32,375 --> 00:39:35,975
Speaker 4: same thing right now, there's probably all sorts of seilents

688
00:39:35,975 --> 00:39:37,495
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing that you can poke in there.

689
00:39:37,615 --> 00:39:40,855
Speaker 4: I took a really pragmatic approach. I went and got

690
00:39:40,895 --> 00:39:43,895
Speaker 4: some galvanized sheet. I cut it into some squares, I

691
00:39:43,975 --> 00:39:46,095
Speaker 4: put it on top of the post. I scribed round

692
00:39:46,135 --> 00:39:48,895
Speaker 4: it with a marker, and then I cut little slots

693
00:39:48,935 --> 00:39:51,095
Speaker 4: into it and I bent them down. So you imagine

694
00:39:51,135 --> 00:39:53,855
Speaker 4: like making a bottle cap, right, a cap, And I

695
00:39:54,015 --> 00:39:56,735
Speaker 4: made caps for each one individually, and I pinned them

696
00:39:56,775 --> 00:39:59,735
Speaker 4: on and then rain hits the top and it drains off.

697
00:40:00,255 --> 00:40:01,095
Speaker 4: Problem solved.

698
00:40:02,255 --> 00:40:04,335
Speaker 13: I've only got about one hundred and sixty to do that.

699
00:40:05,175 --> 00:40:13,455
Speaker 4: Start today. Then look, you can get the post will

700
00:40:13,495 --> 00:40:16,815
Speaker 4: already be treated, right. But you know the fact is

701
00:40:16,895 --> 00:40:18,855
Speaker 4: the water sits on the top of the post, right,

702
00:40:18,975 --> 00:40:21,615
Speaker 4: and so it's going to constantly be getting in there.

703
00:40:22,015 --> 00:40:25,335
Speaker 4: So I would take a belt embraces approach and go, Actually,

704
00:40:25,415 --> 00:40:28,255
Speaker 4: if you put a cap on it, water is not

705
00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:30,175
Speaker 4: going to get in there. Do the treatment, but put

706
00:40:30,175 --> 00:40:31,495
Speaker 4: a cap on it. That'd be the way to go.

707
00:40:31,695 --> 00:40:33,895
Speaker 4: I've got to go to news, which is just a

708
00:40:33,935 --> 00:40:36,095
Speaker 4: couple of seconds away. Here we go seven o'clock news.

709
00:40:37,215 --> 00:40:39,175
Speaker 4: You always news talks. He'd be people camp with you

710
00:40:39,295 --> 00:40:42,455
Speaker 4: this morning. Remember, at around seven twenty five this morning, Jay,

711
00:40:42,615 --> 00:40:45,695
Speaker 4: our painting expert from Razine, is going to join us.

712
00:40:45,975 --> 00:40:48,895
Speaker 4: So if you've got any specific painting questions, including this

713
00:40:49,055 --> 00:40:53,815
Speaker 4: delightful one about trying to remove a film forming stain

714
00:40:53,935 --> 00:40:56,415
Speaker 4: from a queler deck from Paul, I will put that

715
00:40:56,575 --> 00:40:59,575
Speaker 4: to Jay from Razine at around seven twenty five this morning.

716
00:41:00,735 --> 00:41:03,855
Speaker 4: Plenty of texts about the insurance as well, most of

717
00:41:03,895 --> 00:41:06,975
Speaker 4: them saying look, I think it is you know the

718
00:41:07,055 --> 00:41:12,175
Speaker 4: responsibility of the insurer in undertaking the remediation work to

719
00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:15,015
Speaker 4: ensure that it's to a certain standard. And surely that

720
00:41:15,175 --> 00:41:18,895
Speaker 4: standard would include not being able to smell smoke from

721
00:41:19,055 --> 00:41:23,335
Speaker 4: the fire when you're back in the property after the remediation.

722
00:41:23,575 --> 00:41:26,335
Speaker 4: And again, plenty of contractors online that you can use

723
00:41:26,455 --> 00:41:30,135
Speaker 4: for that. Another quick one. We've got time for your

724
00:41:30,175 --> 00:41:35,775
Speaker 4: calls right now. We're talking building all things, building, construction products, selections, regulations,

725
00:41:36,255 --> 00:41:39,015
Speaker 4: tips and tricks. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You

726
00:41:39,055 --> 00:41:43,575
Speaker 4: can call us now. Another text that came in good morning.

727
00:41:44,455 --> 00:41:48,455
Speaker 4: We are currently using a building consultant to get consent

728
00:41:48,615 --> 00:41:51,375
Speaker 4: for putting up a wall and making an extra bedroom.

729
00:41:51,655 --> 00:41:53,935
Speaker 4: And while we're doing it, we are moving the toilet

730
00:41:54,015 --> 00:41:57,255
Speaker 4: into the bathroom. We're also upgrading the bathroom and using

731
00:41:57,975 --> 00:42:00,615
Speaker 4: beyond tiles. Now I had to read that twice. So

732
00:42:00,815 --> 00:42:04,615
Speaker 4: beyond tiles is actually a system. In fact, I saw

733
00:42:04,655 --> 00:42:06,895
Speaker 4: it at the home show on Friday when I was there,

734
00:42:07,895 --> 00:42:12,615
Speaker 4: and they're using this beyond tiles system. As for the

735
00:42:12,695 --> 00:42:15,375
Speaker 4: wall and the shower, it's a click together system, doesn't

736
00:42:15,415 --> 00:42:19,535
Speaker 4: need a consent like an acrylic shower. I Acrylic showers

737
00:42:19,575 --> 00:42:22,535
Speaker 4: don't typically require a consent either, but they are the

738
00:42:22,775 --> 00:42:25,655
Speaker 4: consultant is telling us that we need to waterproof although

739
00:42:25,695 --> 00:42:27,535
Speaker 4: the shower is closed in with a door and has

740
00:42:27,615 --> 00:42:30,735
Speaker 4: a stainless steel tray with a full maker cover. Are

741
00:42:30,815 --> 00:42:35,135
Speaker 4: they correct and making us get waterproofing? Look, a lot

742
00:42:35,175 --> 00:42:38,815
Speaker 4: of these things come down to what the instructions, what

743
00:42:38,935 --> 00:42:43,215
Speaker 4: the warranty or what the installation instructions, and the specification

744
00:42:43,455 --> 00:42:47,775
Speaker 4: of the product that you're using says, And in this case,

745
00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:51,495
Speaker 4: I had a quick lock online. The benefit of this

746
00:42:51,695 --> 00:42:55,655
Speaker 4: particular system is that, No, you don't need to waterproof.

747
00:42:55,855 --> 00:42:58,935
Speaker 4: The system itself is inherently waterproof. The way that the

748
00:42:59,015 --> 00:43:04,735
Speaker 4: junctions go together make it water proof, and so the

749
00:43:04,855 --> 00:43:07,375
Speaker 4: system the benefit of the system you don't need to waterproof.

750
00:43:07,495 --> 00:43:09,655
Speaker 4: So if the building consultant is saying you need to

751
00:43:09,735 --> 00:43:13,775
Speaker 4: waterproof that area like the shower enclosure, I would say

752
00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:17,735
Speaker 4: that's because they haven't read the instructions for that particular

753
00:43:17,815 --> 00:43:20,655
Speaker 4: system that you want to use. Now, you may need

754
00:43:20,735 --> 00:43:23,655
Speaker 4: to waterproof the floor, for example, if you're doing tiles,

755
00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:28,615
Speaker 4: but that's different to this, so I would say get

756
00:43:28,655 --> 00:43:32,295
Speaker 4: them to go to the In fact, the simplest solution

757
00:43:32,415 --> 00:43:37,415
Speaker 4: for the texture is get someone from the manifest the

758
00:43:37,495 --> 00:43:40,775
Speaker 4: supply of the manufacturer to speak directly to the consultant

759
00:43:40,855 --> 00:43:44,655
Speaker 4: to explain the fact that they don't seemingly need waterproofing

760
00:43:44,735 --> 00:43:47,535
Speaker 4: for that right. I hope that helps. Oh eight hundred

761
00:43:47,535 --> 00:43:49,575
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Another

762
00:43:49,655 --> 00:43:52,815
Speaker 4: quick text as well. Always wondered how you check for asbestos.

763
00:43:53,335 --> 00:43:57,375
Speaker 4: Presumably you can't tell just by looking as an LBP.

764
00:43:57,935 --> 00:44:00,815
Speaker 4: Do you ie me have some kind of kit or

765
00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:04,455
Speaker 4: do people get it or do people get in? Do

766
00:44:04,535 --> 00:44:05,135
Speaker 4: you get people in?

767
00:44:05,295 --> 00:44:05,455
Speaker 13: Rather?

768
00:44:05,655 --> 00:44:10,535
Speaker 4: That's from Chris Look. I think from experience you tend

769
00:44:10,615 --> 00:44:13,855
Speaker 4: to get a sense of what types of products are

770
00:44:14,095 --> 00:44:18,495
Speaker 4: likely to contain asbestos or have ACM A specials containing

771
00:44:18,575 --> 00:44:24,055
Speaker 4: material within them. But the testing is laboratory based right now,

772
00:44:24,335 --> 00:44:26,775
Speaker 4: And I actually met some people at a building conference

773
00:44:26,815 --> 00:44:29,895
Speaker 4: a little while ago who do mobile testing. But this

774
00:44:30,095 --> 00:44:33,295
Speaker 4: is more for large construction sites or large projects where

775
00:44:33,335 --> 00:44:36,095
Speaker 4: they might have a need to continually test on site

776
00:44:36,535 --> 00:44:40,735
Speaker 4: to ensure that the work carries on at pace. Typically,

777
00:44:41,935 --> 00:44:44,775
Speaker 4: if I ever had a requirement to test a product

778
00:44:44,815 --> 00:44:46,975
Speaker 4: before I was going to drill through it, cut it,

779
00:44:47,175 --> 00:44:50,375
Speaker 4: remove it, etc. I would take a small sample and

780
00:44:50,495 --> 00:44:53,015
Speaker 4: I would take it to an industrial chemist or a

781
00:44:53,135 --> 00:44:57,495
Speaker 4: laboratory and have them test it for me looking at it,

782
00:44:58,175 --> 00:45:03,095
Speaker 4: going oh, I think there is you know, fibers in there.

783
00:45:03,095 --> 00:45:06,175
Speaker 4: I think it's asbestis. That's not reliable. It needs to

784
00:45:06,455 --> 00:45:10,055
Speaker 4: tested in a laboratory and then get proper results back

785
00:45:10,135 --> 00:45:13,255
Speaker 4: for that. Oh eight ten eighty the number to call Johnny,

786
00:45:13,255 --> 00:45:13,775
Speaker 4: good morning to you.

787
00:45:15,295 --> 00:45:21,535
Speaker 11: Yeah, good morning matey. The with the consultant requiring waterproofing.

788
00:45:21,695 --> 00:45:27,975
Speaker 11: If someone's engaged a consultant to essentially design your bathroom

789
00:45:28,055 --> 00:45:31,375
Speaker 11: for you, and they're saying that they require as part

790
00:45:31,455 --> 00:45:37,775
Speaker 11: of the system waterproofing, but the tile product doesn't require waterproofing,

791
00:45:38,455 --> 00:45:43,015
Speaker 11: it's still up to the consultant that you have engaged

792
00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:47,615
Speaker 11: whether or not they require waterproofing. The thing is, if

793
00:45:47,695 --> 00:45:52,255
Speaker 11: anything fails there, the person who engages the consultant can

794
00:45:52,295 --> 00:45:54,735
Speaker 11: then take the consultant into court and then it's the

795
00:45:54,815 --> 00:45:59,455
Speaker 11: consultant's fault essentially, So they're just safeguarding themselves. So the

796
00:45:59,575 --> 00:46:02,375
Speaker 11: client could say, look, I don't want to put in

797
00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:07,495
Speaker 11: waterproofing and I'll do it at my own risk. That's

798
00:46:07,535 --> 00:46:11,015
Speaker 11: the option there, Or if you're engaging a consultant, you

799
00:46:11,135 --> 00:46:13,055
Speaker 11: kind of have to do what the consultant says.

800
00:46:13,855 --> 00:46:17,375
Speaker 4: But in this case, the consultant's wrong, So why would

801
00:46:17,415 --> 00:46:21,215
Speaker 4: you do what the consultant's saying when they're just I mean,

802
00:46:21,295 --> 00:46:26,295
Speaker 4: they're like, on this very specific issue, the manufacturer's details,

803
00:46:26,375 --> 00:46:28,935
Speaker 4: the warranty, the speck and everything says this is a

804
00:46:29,015 --> 00:46:33,695
Speaker 4: system that doesn't require waterproofing. So I'm not suggesting that

805
00:46:33,975 --> 00:46:37,495
Speaker 4: not putting waterproofing in isn't beneficial, but it is absolutely

806
00:46:37,615 --> 00:46:40,655
Speaker 4: not required. So why would you have a consultant tell

807
00:46:40,695 --> 00:46:43,855
Speaker 4: you to do waterproofing when it's not required? Why would

808
00:46:43,855 --> 00:46:44,535
Speaker 4: you listen to them?

809
00:46:45,455 --> 00:46:49,335
Speaker 11: One hundred At the same time, the clients didn't actually

810
00:46:49,575 --> 00:46:53,175
Speaker 11: need to engage a consultant to do these works on

811
00:46:53,975 --> 00:46:56,255
Speaker 11: their place from what it sounds like. And I mean,

812
00:46:56,295 --> 00:47:00,015
Speaker 11: I'm a I'm an LBP and a qualified carpenter and

813
00:47:00,095 --> 00:47:04,415
Speaker 11: a qualified construction manager, And I see this on large

814
00:47:04,495 --> 00:47:10,775
Speaker 11: jobs all the time, that the consultants go overboard with

815
00:47:10,935 --> 00:47:14,215
Speaker 11: their design. But they're doing it because simply there's been

816
00:47:14,335 --> 00:47:18,175
Speaker 11: so much comeback on the consultants and on the council

817
00:47:18,375 --> 00:47:22,295
Speaker 11: over the years. For example, the leaky homes, the council's

818
00:47:22,415 --> 00:47:25,015
Speaker 11: ending up paying for all that because they did the

819
00:47:25,095 --> 00:47:32,415
Speaker 11: bare minimum now then, And another one is the seismic upgrades.

820
00:47:32,495 --> 00:47:38,015
Speaker 11: The thirty percent rating for the commercial concrete buildings or

821
00:47:38,255 --> 00:47:43,615
Speaker 11: block buildings. The council and the consultants are so scared

822
00:47:43,695 --> 00:47:47,735
Speaker 11: that they're going well above and beyond to protect themselves.

823
00:47:47,895 --> 00:47:51,975
Speaker 11: It's simply an ass covering exercise basically, to put it bluntly.

824
00:47:54,935 --> 00:47:57,735
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just thinking about and obviously all I know

825
00:47:57,935 --> 00:48:00,335
Speaker 4: is what the texter has said. So what they've said

826
00:48:00,455 --> 00:48:03,815
Speaker 4: is we're currently using a building consultant to get consent.

827
00:48:04,015 --> 00:48:07,535
Speaker 4: So possibly they've gone to someone for advice as to

828
00:48:07,655 --> 00:48:10,735
Speaker 4: how to get a building consent, although I mean arguably

829
00:48:10,815 --> 00:48:14,615
Speaker 4: typically what you would typically do is go to your designer,

830
00:48:14,695 --> 00:48:17,735
Speaker 4: your LPP designer, and go, do me a set of

831
00:48:17,815 --> 00:48:20,295
Speaker 4: plans that allow me to get a building consent. And

832
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:25,215
Speaker 4: if they specify, in this case, this beyond tiles system

833
00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:29,855
Speaker 4: and that system doesn't require any additional waterproofing, then you

834
00:48:30,015 --> 00:48:32,255
Speaker 4: put that in as you spec and you do what's

835
00:48:32,295 --> 00:48:32,855
Speaker 4: on the spec.

836
00:48:35,575 --> 00:48:38,895
Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And so

837
00:48:39,335 --> 00:48:44,855
Speaker 11: the beyond tiles they guarantee their product, but the designer

838
00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:50,455
Speaker 11: guarantees the whole system, like the rest of the bathroom,

839
00:48:50,695 --> 00:48:55,055
Speaker 11: so their requirement is waterproofing behind it. So you're not

840
00:48:55,295 --> 00:48:59,775
Speaker 11: just engaging beyond tiles. You're engaging another entity, and that

841
00:48:59,935 --> 00:49:03,455
Speaker 11: other entity needs to also safeguard themselves. So part of

842
00:49:03,575 --> 00:49:08,175
Speaker 11: the consultant system or the architects them, whoever it is,

843
00:49:09,135 --> 00:49:11,495
Speaker 11: is that they require waterproofing. And this is what I'm saying,

844
00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:13,295
Speaker 11: is that why.

845
00:49:13,175 --> 00:49:16,455
Speaker 4: Are they requiring waterproofing when it's not required by the system.

846
00:49:16,615 --> 00:49:19,055
Speaker 4: This is this is where this is breaking down, right,

847
00:49:19,695 --> 00:49:23,415
Speaker 4: So what you're saying is that you know, in this instance,

848
00:49:23,535 --> 00:49:27,255
Speaker 4: this consultant is advising a client that you can use

849
00:49:27,375 --> 00:49:29,975
Speaker 4: the system, but you can't use it as it's specified.

850
00:49:30,015 --> 00:49:32,255
Speaker 4: You have to use it as I specify it. Well,

851
00:49:32,295 --> 00:49:36,575
Speaker 4: they're not the specifier. They're not there to make up

852
00:49:36,615 --> 00:49:42,615
Speaker 4: the rules. All the consultants. Isn't there to make up

853
00:49:42,655 --> 00:49:43,095
Speaker 4: the rules.

854
00:49:45,535 --> 00:49:50,695
Speaker 11: The consultants using best practice. So best practice says, in

855
00:49:50,815 --> 00:49:53,535
Speaker 11: your water in your in your bathroom, sorry, in your

856
00:49:53,575 --> 00:49:57,295
Speaker 11: wet area, your wet area is to be waterproof.

857
00:49:57,615 --> 00:50:00,735
Speaker 4: Yes you can water. But if the system that you're

858
00:50:00,855 --> 00:50:05,175
Speaker 4: using is then one that inherently is waterproof, and they've

859
00:50:05,215 --> 00:50:08,455
Speaker 4: got either co mark or brand's appraisal to prove that,

860
00:50:09,295 --> 00:50:13,215
Speaker 4: why would you then say in this instance, no, they're

861
00:50:13,255 --> 00:50:16,095
Speaker 4: not right. I'm right, we're going to waterproof it, which

862
00:50:16,175 --> 00:50:20,175
Speaker 4: is probably not part of the system and possibly voids

863
00:50:20,215 --> 00:50:22,215
Speaker 4: the warranty on the system because you've done something that's

864
00:50:22,255 --> 00:50:25,855
Speaker 4: not part of the system. I just think there's something

865
00:50:25,975 --> 00:50:29,175
Speaker 4: really broken about the logic of this particular contractor.

866
00:50:30,575 --> 00:50:35,375
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, to be honestly,

867
00:50:35,415 --> 00:50:38,935
Speaker 11: because I get guys to I manage the guys that

868
00:50:39,055 --> 00:50:45,495
Speaker 11: build this, and we deal with clients that lias with

869
00:50:45,655 --> 00:50:49,535
Speaker 11: their own consultants, and we have to build to the

870
00:50:49,655 --> 00:50:53,935
Speaker 11: consultant's design. And that simply comes down to that they're

871
00:50:53,975 --> 00:50:54,935
Speaker 11: covering themselves.

872
00:50:56,015 --> 00:50:56,215
Speaker 6: Yeah.

873
00:50:56,455 --> 00:51:01,175
Speaker 11: And best practice across the board in most building in

874
00:51:01,255 --> 00:51:05,735
Speaker 11: New Zealand says that you you must or you should

875
00:51:06,335 --> 00:51:11,295
Speaker 11: should water proof your wet areas. Just been over to

876
00:51:12,535 --> 00:51:15,935
Speaker 11: so over in other countries. I think that they're that

877
00:51:16,055 --> 00:51:19,895
Speaker 11: they're they're a bit smarter about how they do things.

878
00:51:19,975 --> 00:51:21,935
Speaker 11: I don't know if we always go the right way

879
00:51:22,015 --> 00:51:25,775
Speaker 11: about building in New Zealand, but the systems that we've

880
00:51:25,815 --> 00:51:31,935
Speaker 11: got are what we've got right and and and this

881
00:51:32,095 --> 00:51:36,575
Speaker 11: is why people go to consultants. And the bathroom has

882
00:51:36,575 --> 00:51:44,415
Speaker 11: always been historically risky area in terms of water leaching

883
00:51:44,495 --> 00:51:48,015
Speaker 11: out from your your shower or your bath and rotting

884
00:51:48,055 --> 00:51:49,295
Speaker 11: the timber out and frame them.

885
00:51:50,175 --> 00:51:53,215
Speaker 4: But again, if if you and I go and look

886
00:51:53,255 --> 00:51:56,375
Speaker 4: at a shower that's leaking right, typically we can tell

887
00:51:56,415 --> 00:51:59,895
Speaker 4: within five minutes why it's leaked right. And it's it's

888
00:52:00,695 --> 00:52:03,655
Speaker 4: not often about the system that was used. It's always

889
00:52:03,695 --> 00:52:06,895
Speaker 4: about the installation. So for example, if you know, you

890
00:52:06,975 --> 00:52:10,975
Speaker 4: go think about an old serotone shower and someone goes, oh, look,

891
00:52:11,015 --> 00:52:12,655
Speaker 4: the bottom of the sheet is all bubbling, and you

892
00:52:12,735 --> 00:52:14,375
Speaker 4: pull the sheet off and you find that they didn't

893
00:52:14,855 --> 00:52:17,375
Speaker 4: put a primer on there, right, It's really clear in

894
00:52:17,415 --> 00:52:20,215
Speaker 4: the instruction manual you prime around all of the cut edges.

895
00:52:20,295 --> 00:52:22,815
Speaker 4: If you don't do that, water gets in, the product fails.

896
00:52:23,375 --> 00:52:28,735
Speaker 4: So you know, it's like it's if we did it.

897
00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,895
Speaker 4: Most of the systems actually work if you install them correctly.

898
00:52:33,455 --> 00:52:36,455
Speaker 4: So the fact that so many people don't install them

899
00:52:36,495 --> 00:52:40,055
Speaker 4: correctly then leads a consultant like this guy or girl

900
00:52:40,135 --> 00:52:43,215
Speaker 4: with the greatest respect to then add all this extra

901
00:52:43,335 --> 00:52:45,815
Speaker 4: stuff in because they're trying to accommodate the fact that

902
00:52:45,895 --> 00:52:49,215
Speaker 4: people just don't listen to the instructions. So the problem

903
00:52:49,375 --> 00:52:52,095
Speaker 4: is that when it's not. In many cases, it's not

904
00:52:52,215 --> 00:52:57,375
Speaker 4: the system, it's the installation of the system. That's where

905
00:52:57,415 --> 00:52:58,335
Speaker 4: we've got to get problem.

906
00:52:59,255 --> 00:53:03,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, I'm not.

907
00:53:03,535 --> 00:53:06,055
Speaker 4: Saying that we didn't have systems that were terrible. And look,

908
00:53:06,375 --> 00:53:08,815
Speaker 4: you know, I think back thirty years ago, right, I

909
00:53:08,935 --> 00:53:12,935
Speaker 4: was putting aluminium joinery onto fiber cement sheet board on

910
00:53:13,015 --> 00:53:15,375
Speaker 4: the exterior of a building, and all that was required

911
00:53:15,615 --> 00:53:18,655
Speaker 4: is that I pushed the window hard back against the

912
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:21,215
Speaker 4: fiber cement sheet and I put a beat of silicrent

913
00:53:21,295 --> 00:53:23,695
Speaker 4: across the top and then they sprayed some stuff on

914
00:53:23,815 --> 00:53:26,175
Speaker 4: top of it, and that was all that was required. Right,

915
00:53:26,495 --> 00:53:28,535
Speaker 4: No head flashing, Da da da da da. Now we

916
00:53:28,655 --> 00:53:30,455
Speaker 4: know that that failed, and that was a system and

917
00:53:30,575 --> 00:53:33,735
Speaker 4: it failed. So you know, I'm not naiven saying that

918
00:53:33,895 --> 00:53:39,095
Speaker 4: some systems didn't fail. But today, generally, you know, our

919
00:53:39,135 --> 00:53:43,015
Speaker 4: systems are not bad. And I would say in ninety

920
00:53:43,135 --> 00:53:45,855
Speaker 4: nine percent of cases, if you install it as per

921
00:53:46,455 --> 00:53:47,975
Speaker 4: the system, it'll work.

922
00:53:50,055 --> 00:53:50,255
Speaker 8: Yeah.

923
00:53:50,375 --> 00:53:50,615
Speaker 11: Okay.

924
00:53:50,735 --> 00:53:51,815
Speaker 7: So so.

925
00:53:53,695 --> 00:53:57,735
Speaker 11: With my study, and I studied for construction for going

926
00:53:57,815 --> 00:53:59,815
Speaker 11: on with them in eleven years or something like that,

927
00:54:01,055 --> 00:54:04,495
Speaker 11: we have a really bad problem in New Zealand. And

928
00:54:04,735 --> 00:54:12,855
Speaker 11: that's that the client. So example, right as Fletcher's. Okay,

929
00:54:13,775 --> 00:54:18,495
Speaker 11: Fletcher's go and quote for a couple of jobs there right,

930
00:54:18,775 --> 00:54:22,775
Speaker 11: their QS is under quote. I don't know the absolute

931
00:54:22,855 --> 00:54:27,215
Speaker 11: reason of why they priced these jobs so so low,

932
00:54:28,735 --> 00:54:32,455
Speaker 11: to the tune of a couple of hundred million. They

933
00:54:32,615 --> 00:54:36,415
Speaker 11: priced it low. Who ends up bearing the responsibility for that?

934
00:54:36,615 --> 00:54:39,895
Speaker 11: Does the client end up bearing the responsibility for that? No,

935
00:54:41,255 --> 00:54:44,055
Speaker 11: it's Fletcher's that ends up bearing the responsibility. And what's

936
00:54:44,095 --> 00:54:46,135
Speaker 11: happened to Fletcher's now? That used to be I mean,

937
00:54:46,215 --> 00:54:49,775
Speaker 11: that's New Zealand's largest construction company. They've been going for

938
00:54:49,975 --> 00:54:52,895
Speaker 11: over one hundred years. Great company. I did a lot

939
00:54:52,935 --> 00:54:57,255
Speaker 11: of work for them. They put me through my apprenticeship

940
00:54:58,095 --> 00:55:03,575
Speaker 11: and in my studies it was said that, look, the

941
00:55:03,655 --> 00:55:07,535
Speaker 11: client's going to start taking on more risk for these

942
00:55:08,335 --> 00:55:13,175
Speaker 11: projects that the construction company is undertaking. That was years

943
00:55:13,215 --> 00:55:16,495
Speaker 11: ago that I studied, like two thousands. It hasn't happened,

944
00:55:18,375 --> 00:55:18,535
Speaker 11: you know.

945
00:55:19,295 --> 00:55:27,895
Speaker 4: I think there are examples where you know that we're changing, Like, look,

946
00:55:27,935 --> 00:55:29,895
Speaker 4: this becomes a really big topic and we could probably

947
00:55:29,895 --> 00:55:32,495
Speaker 4: talk about it for a far too long, but look,

948
00:55:33,095 --> 00:55:35,575
Speaker 4: I think I hear what you're saying now in terms

949
00:55:35,615 --> 00:55:38,415
Speaker 4: of you know, there is a model, particularly with larger

950
00:55:38,495 --> 00:55:43,855
Speaker 4: construction projects, where there's kind of the initial the client

951
00:55:44,215 --> 00:55:48,495
Speaker 4: seeks a designer, who then employs a series of contractors

952
00:55:48,895 --> 00:55:52,415
Speaker 4: who then appoint a project manager who appoint a constructor, right,

953
00:55:52,975 --> 00:55:58,215
Speaker 4: and and so there's layers and layers of discussion and

954
00:55:58,855 --> 00:56:01,895
Speaker 4: engagement there, right. And then by the time the drawings

955
00:56:01,935 --> 00:56:04,415
Speaker 4: get to the constructor, the constructor looks at the drawings

956
00:56:04,455 --> 00:56:06,375
Speaker 4: and goes, well, hang on, you said it was to

957
00:56:06,455 --> 00:56:08,655
Speaker 4: be five hundred million dollars budget, but I've looked at

958
00:56:08,655 --> 00:56:11,135
Speaker 4: it and it's seven hundred right, So then it either

959
00:56:11,855 --> 00:56:16,495
Speaker 4: doesn't go ahead or you know, they suddenly they're over budget.

960
00:56:16,575 --> 00:56:19,895
Speaker 4: Whereas I think what we're starting to see today is

961
00:56:20,455 --> 00:56:24,855
Speaker 4: kind of an engagement where the client, the constructor, the

962
00:56:25,055 --> 00:56:30,855
Speaker 4: designers work collaboratively at the beginning to know engineer in

963
00:56:30,975 --> 00:56:34,975
Speaker 4: some efficiency, to protect in terms of their contracts, to

964
00:56:35,095 --> 00:56:38,735
Speaker 4: do it in with a bit of a shared risks

965
00:56:39,375 --> 00:56:42,055
Speaker 4: involved as well, you know. Like for example, one of

966
00:56:42,055 --> 00:56:44,215
Speaker 4: the best examples of this from a government point of

967
00:56:44,295 --> 00:56:48,535
Speaker 4: view recently has been the rebuilding of the slip damage

968
00:56:48,615 --> 00:56:50,175
Speaker 4: road on the way to the Corimandal. So I think

969
00:56:50,175 --> 00:56:53,015
Speaker 4: it's State Highway twenty five, right, So hill comes down,

970
00:56:53,135 --> 00:56:55,855
Speaker 4: knocks out the road. They looked at it and they went, Okay,

971
00:56:55,935 --> 00:57:00,455
Speaker 4: what we've got to do is we're going to build

972
00:57:00,455 --> 00:57:02,455
Speaker 4: a bridge. That's going to be the fastest way. Everyone

973
00:57:02,615 --> 00:57:04,255
Speaker 4: just went, Yep, we're going to build a bridge, and

974
00:57:04,335 --> 00:57:07,335
Speaker 4: we've got to start now, and we're going to get

975
00:57:07,335 --> 00:57:09,295
Speaker 4: it done. And we think it'll be fifty six million

976
00:57:09,295 --> 00:57:11,055
Speaker 4: dollars or something like that, and we want to start.

977
00:57:11,255 --> 00:57:15,095
Speaker 4: So you get the contractors in, you procure the materials

978
00:57:15,135 --> 00:57:19,775
Speaker 4: straight away, and that was done under budget and ahead

979
00:57:19,815 --> 00:57:22,375
Speaker 4: of time. So because in the end, we all know

980
00:57:22,455 --> 00:57:25,695
Speaker 4: it's going to cost something, right, so by stretching out

981
00:57:25,735 --> 00:57:28,895
Speaker 4: the procurement process and getting lots of tenders and all

982
00:57:28,895 --> 00:57:30,295
Speaker 4: the rest of it, it's not going to get the

983
00:57:30,375 --> 00:57:33,015
Speaker 4: damn thing built any quicker. And it the longer it

984
00:57:33,055 --> 00:57:37,655
Speaker 4: takes to build anything, is that the the you know,

985
00:57:37,695 --> 00:57:39,495
Speaker 4: the price is going to go up, right, So I

986
00:57:39,575 --> 00:57:43,095
Speaker 4: think we are starting to see some changes to that model. Hey,

987
00:57:43,375 --> 00:57:45,615
Speaker 4: I've got to move on because I've got Jay waiting

988
00:57:45,695 --> 00:57:47,535
Speaker 4: on the line. We're going to talk painting. I appreciate

989
00:57:47,575 --> 00:57:52,775
Speaker 4: your comments, Johnny, I really do quick text on this

990
00:57:52,855 --> 00:57:56,335
Speaker 4: as well. Pete, You're wrong consultant's decision is final. That's

991
00:57:56,375 --> 00:57:58,575
Speaker 4: what they're paid for. Admit it. We all want to

992
00:57:58,655 --> 00:58:03,015
Speaker 4: sleep at night. See, I just get a different consultant.

993
00:58:03,175 --> 00:58:05,095
Speaker 4: I don't want a consultant that tells me to do

994
00:58:05,255 --> 00:58:09,055
Speaker 4: something other than what on the specification in this instance, right,

995
00:58:09,135 --> 00:58:11,375
Speaker 4: I know you pay for a consultant, and consultants are

996
00:58:11,455 --> 00:58:14,775
Speaker 4: good and worthwhile, and professional advice is good and worthwhile.

997
00:58:15,895 --> 00:58:18,335
Speaker 4: I have no doubt about that. But in this instance, here,

998
00:58:18,535 --> 00:58:22,135
Speaker 4: I find it illogical to go, here's a system, here's

999
00:58:22,135 --> 00:58:26,535
Speaker 4: a manufacturer's you know, a specification, an installation guide, and

1000
00:58:26,615 --> 00:58:29,935
Speaker 4: a warranty based on that design. And I haven't checked,

1001
00:58:29,975 --> 00:58:32,255
Speaker 4: but let's hope that it's got either code mark or

1002
00:58:32,335 --> 00:58:35,935
Speaker 4: brand's appraisal. And if it's got code mark, it's except

1003
00:58:36,055 --> 00:58:38,775
Speaker 4: it has to be accepted by a territorial authority. So

1004
00:58:38,895 --> 00:58:42,335
Speaker 4: as a consultant, you then I don't think should go, well, actually,

1005
00:58:42,895 --> 00:58:44,495
Speaker 4: I'm going to use that product, but I want you

1006
00:58:44,575 --> 00:58:46,855
Speaker 4: to do this with it. I don't see that as

1007
00:58:46,935 --> 00:58:49,695
Speaker 4: being the consultant's role. The consultant's role should be this

1008
00:58:49,855 --> 00:58:52,735
Speaker 4: is a product that I think is durable, reliable, and

1009
00:58:52,815 --> 00:58:54,655
Speaker 4: so on. I recommend that you use it and you

1010
00:58:54,775 --> 00:58:58,255
Speaker 4: install it as per the instructions. We can talk about

1011
00:58:58,295 --> 00:59:00,135
Speaker 4: that in the moment. I'm going to take a breath,

1012
00:59:00,175 --> 00:59:01,615
Speaker 4: calm down for a bit, and then we're going to

1013
00:59:01,655 --> 00:59:05,255
Speaker 4: talk painting with Jay. Oh wait nine two ninety two.

1014
00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:08,295
Speaker 4: Text us any of your painting questions. Jay from Razine

1015
00:59:08,695 --> 00:59:11,415
Speaker 4: is going to join us in just a moment, right

1016
00:59:11,455 --> 00:59:14,695
Speaker 4: he Oh on the line this morning, bright and early, Jay,

1017
00:59:14,935 --> 00:59:17,975
Speaker 4: are very good morning, Good morning mate.

1018
00:59:17,975 --> 00:59:18,255
Speaker 5: How are you.

1019
00:59:18,455 --> 00:59:20,135
Speaker 4: I'm pretty good, Thanks, I'm pretty good.

1020
00:59:21,815 --> 00:59:22,015
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1021
00:59:22,015 --> 00:59:23,615
Speaker 4: I have to say the Razine stand at the Old

1022
00:59:23,615 --> 00:59:24,895
Speaker 4: Home Show is looking pretty flash.

1023
00:59:26,135 --> 00:59:26,335
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1024
00:59:26,335 --> 00:59:28,535
Speaker 15: I was on the Eco decorated stand on Friday. It

1025
00:59:28,655 --> 00:59:29,415
Speaker 15: was looking really good.

1026
00:59:30,015 --> 00:59:31,855
Speaker 4: I must have missed you because I was just on

1027
00:59:31,935 --> 00:59:37,735
Speaker 4: the corner. Actually, can I ask, just chekily in the

1028
00:59:37,815 --> 00:59:40,815
Speaker 4: test pots, are they still doing the little pebbles or the.

1029
00:59:40,935 --> 00:59:47,455
Speaker 15: Eminem's gay eminems? Not in the plastic pots anymore? In

1030
00:59:47,495 --> 00:59:52,255
Speaker 15: a little carbo recyclable, brilliant and people don't confuse it

1031
00:59:52,335 --> 00:59:52,735
Speaker 15: as paint.

1032
00:59:53,375 --> 00:59:59,215
Speaker 4: Yes, anyway, because it's funny. You know, you've been working

1033
00:59:59,255 --> 01:00:00,735
Speaker 4: on the stand. I've been working on the stand at

1034
01:00:00,775 --> 01:00:03,135
Speaker 4: these sorts of shows for years, and and there are

1035
01:00:03,175 --> 01:00:05,055
Speaker 4: those people that come and they grab their bag and

1036
01:00:05,095 --> 01:00:08,655
Speaker 4: then they're just hoovering a around looking for pens, lollies, pads.

1037
01:00:09,215 --> 01:00:10,815
Speaker 4: You know, they're not going to talk to you for

1038
01:00:10,895 --> 01:00:11,735
Speaker 4: more than two minutes.

1039
01:00:12,735 --> 01:00:17,175
Speaker 15: Friends, kids that do that. It's like Halloween. You get

1040
01:00:17,175 --> 01:00:18,895
Speaker 15: plenty of information from everybody as well.

1041
01:00:18,935 --> 01:00:21,295
Speaker 4: So it's good, it's great fun. You know, I really

1042
01:00:21,415 --> 01:00:23,815
Speaker 4: enjoy it. I have to say, In fact, I might

1043
01:00:23,975 --> 01:00:26,695
Speaker 4: head back there again today for an hour or so. Right,

1044
01:00:27,015 --> 01:00:29,215
Speaker 4: let's get into it. We've got a couple of doozies

1045
01:00:29,335 --> 01:00:32,815
Speaker 4: for you. Let's start with well, not really an easy one,

1046
01:00:32,895 --> 01:00:36,495
Speaker 4: but here's a good one. Pete Razine. Question, our bathroom

1047
01:00:36,615 --> 01:00:39,415
Speaker 4: is tiles halfway up and then wallpaper to the ceiling

1048
01:00:39,695 --> 01:00:43,295
Speaker 4: that needs replacing. Would we be better to paint instead?

1049
01:00:43,455 --> 01:00:47,495
Speaker 4: As far as durability goes, the bathroom's well ventilated, So

1050
01:00:47,815 --> 01:00:50,455
Speaker 4: let's say that. I mean, wallpaper can be okay in

1051
01:00:50,535 --> 01:00:52,455
Speaker 4: bathrooms if you get the right one. But I'm just

1052
01:00:52,535 --> 01:00:57,415
Speaker 4: thinking about if you're taking wallpaper off and painting, what

1053
01:00:57,535 --> 01:00:58,655
Speaker 4: are the general steps?

1054
01:00:59,575 --> 01:01:03,135
Speaker 15: Okay, so get like say, wallpapers some more papers are

1055
01:01:03,135 --> 01:01:06,815
Speaker 15: fine in bathrooms. But to answer the question, so you

1056
01:01:06,895 --> 01:01:10,095
Speaker 15: strip the paper, some papers can come off really easily,

1057
01:01:10,335 --> 01:01:14,255
Speaker 15: some not so much. So best bet is to soak it,

1058
01:01:14,495 --> 01:01:17,935
Speaker 15: soak it and soak it some more. And once you've

1059
01:01:17,935 --> 01:01:20,215
Speaker 15: got the paper off, you have an idea of what

1060
01:01:20,575 --> 01:01:23,655
Speaker 15: the plaster board is going to look like behind, so

1061
01:01:23,815 --> 01:01:26,695
Speaker 15: whether you can just sure seal it and paint it

1062
01:01:26,895 --> 01:01:29,735
Speaker 15: or whether you need to put shore seal and then

1063
01:01:29,815 --> 01:01:34,415
Speaker 15: a high build wallboard sealawn just to build the plaster

1064
01:01:34,455 --> 01:01:36,575
Speaker 15: board back up to give it a nice surface from painting.

1065
01:01:37,935 --> 01:01:40,975
Speaker 4: And then if you're going to paint in a bathroom

1066
01:01:41,455 --> 01:01:44,495
Speaker 4: over let's say plaster board, even if it's old or

1067
01:01:44,615 --> 01:01:47,215
Speaker 4: you I'd go shore seal, so Pigman deep.

1068
01:01:47,095 --> 01:01:49,615
Speaker 15: Sealer, so it's share seal. You've got the water born

1069
01:01:49,855 --> 01:01:51,615
Speaker 15: or the solvent born options.

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01:01:51,735 --> 01:01:51,935
Speaker 7: Yep.

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01:01:52,295 --> 01:01:55,655
Speaker 15: And then over the top space cooat lochinge, kitchen and

1072
01:01:55,775 --> 01:01:59,255
Speaker 15: bathroom you've got space coat flat kitchen and bathroom or

1073
01:01:59,495 --> 01:02:02,815
Speaker 15: luster pril if you want semigloss all three. You can

1074
01:02:02,935 --> 01:02:06,055
Speaker 15: have the kitchen and bathroom version with the added mold defense.

1075
01:02:06,495 --> 01:02:09,415
Speaker 4: Yes, which, to be fair, is never a bad thing

1076
01:02:09,455 --> 01:02:10,055
Speaker 4: in a bathroom.

1077
01:02:10,735 --> 01:02:13,455
Speaker 15: No, it sounds like they mentioned it's called good ventilation.

1078
01:02:13,655 --> 01:02:18,055
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is great. That's really important. Now this is

1079
01:02:18,135 --> 01:02:20,655
Speaker 4: a challenging one and a little bit of a prickly one.

1080
01:02:21,255 --> 01:02:24,655
Speaker 4: A renovated Ponsome villa that we have to repaint the

1081
01:02:24,895 --> 01:02:27,375
Speaker 4: front of the house every year. Now they have used

1082
01:02:27,495 --> 01:02:31,215
Speaker 4: razine alabasta. Outdoor house paint turns yellow after twelve months

1083
01:02:31,335 --> 01:02:33,615
Speaker 4: due to the road pollution. The rest of the house

1084
01:02:33,735 --> 01:02:37,015
Speaker 4: is perfect and it's lasted five years. What could they

1085
01:02:37,295 --> 01:02:40,295
Speaker 4: do in terms of preventing the sort of the repaint

1086
01:02:40,415 --> 01:02:41,855
Speaker 4: because of the road pollution.

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01:02:42,095 --> 01:02:48,895
Speaker 15: That's I'd say it's hard. Just maybe try and clean

1088
01:02:48,975 --> 01:02:52,135
Speaker 15: it more. Yeah, I know where I am, I've got

1089
01:02:52,175 --> 01:02:54,775
Speaker 15: a bit of bush behind me, We just get pollen.

1090
01:02:55,375 --> 01:02:58,255
Speaker 15: Just build up the surfaces of the windows and the

1091
01:02:58,455 --> 01:03:04,215
Speaker 15: weather boards and just forever out cleaning it to remove that. Also,

1092
01:03:05,135 --> 01:03:08,015
Speaker 15: if you're in that sort of situation with road pollution

1093
01:03:08,415 --> 01:03:12,375
Speaker 15: or just general dirt and grind, build up, sea salts

1094
01:03:12,415 --> 01:03:16,015
Speaker 15: the other one. Between painting, sometimes you might have to

1095
01:03:16,055 --> 01:03:17,295
Speaker 15: clean down before putting a.

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01:03:17,295 --> 01:03:21,295
Speaker 4: Second coat on, right, Okay, all right, so clean down

1097
01:03:21,335 --> 01:03:23,815
Speaker 4: as well and maybe more regular washing.

1098
01:03:24,615 --> 01:03:27,495
Speaker 15: Yeah, I would, especially if you're in that sort of

1099
01:03:27,775 --> 01:03:30,775
Speaker 15: environment where you're in a very busy area.

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01:03:30,775 --> 01:03:35,015
Speaker 4: Yes, with a lot of road road grind, Yeah, absolutely, Hey,

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01:03:35,135 --> 01:03:37,815
Speaker 4: just going back to the wallpaper for a second, Is

1102
01:03:37,895 --> 01:03:42,015
Speaker 4: there a product available to help remove vinyl wallpaper? Or

1103
01:03:42,055 --> 01:03:45,135
Speaker 4: if there isn't, what's the best way to remove vinyl wallpaper?

1104
01:03:47,015 --> 01:03:51,575
Speaker 15: Again, as far there is wallpaper strippers, there's steamers. Like

1105
01:03:51,655 --> 01:03:54,495
Speaker 15: I say, some papers, some of the newer papers actually

1106
01:03:55,295 --> 01:03:58,215
Speaker 15: strip off really well. Some of the older stuff it

1107
01:03:58,255 --> 01:04:02,415
Speaker 15: can come off in like postage stamp size, and it's

1108
01:04:02,575 --> 01:04:05,895
Speaker 15: just very Some can be really easy and some are

1109
01:04:05,935 --> 01:04:10,095
Speaker 15: just paying for in a very tedious right. Like I say,

1110
01:04:10,175 --> 01:04:12,335
Speaker 15: I had like soak it, so get and soak it

1111
01:04:12,455 --> 01:04:14,575
Speaker 15: some more. Yeah, it does really help.

1112
01:04:15,855 --> 01:04:15,975
Speaker 7: Uh.

1113
01:04:16,495 --> 01:04:20,095
Speaker 4: Hey, Pete asked Jay about rust coming through on brand

1114
01:04:20,215 --> 01:04:23,615
Speaker 4: new nails being put into weather boards just months after.

1115
01:04:24,135 --> 01:04:27,055
Speaker 4: What's the process for preventing further rust?

1116
01:04:27,975 --> 01:04:28,135
Speaker 5: Now?

1117
01:04:28,455 --> 01:04:30,815
Speaker 4: Can I just jump in for a second and go

1118
01:04:31,495 --> 01:04:36,335
Speaker 4: I'd be really concerned that in fact, the weather boards

1119
01:04:36,375 --> 01:04:40,095
Speaker 4: haven't been fastened with nails that are either not galvanized

1120
01:04:40,415 --> 01:04:44,135
Speaker 4: or not stainless steel, in which case they've probably got

1121
01:04:44,175 --> 01:04:47,215
Speaker 4: a bigger problem. But in general, like even I've got it,

1122
01:04:47,335 --> 01:04:51,335
Speaker 4: I repainted six seven years ago. It's an old house

1123
01:04:51,775 --> 01:04:54,055
Speaker 4: in a couple of locations. I'm just starting to get

1124
01:04:54,055 --> 01:04:55,615
Speaker 4: a little bit of rust coming through on the head

1125
01:04:55,655 --> 01:04:57,655
Speaker 4: of the nail. So in that sense, what would I do?

1126
01:04:59,695 --> 01:05:01,655
Speaker 15: I agree with what you said sort of with Yeah,

1127
01:05:01,775 --> 01:05:06,775
Speaker 15: it's chances are it's the fixings that quick Always make

1128
01:05:06,815 --> 01:05:08,935
Speaker 15: sure you're using the right fixings for the right area.

1129
01:05:09,455 --> 01:05:09,655
Speaker 4: Yep.

1130
01:05:10,135 --> 01:05:14,215
Speaker 15: But GP metal primer a spot prime the areas obviously

1131
01:05:14,255 --> 01:05:18,735
Speaker 15: when you're repainting. If there's rusty nails or fixing or

1132
01:05:18,895 --> 01:05:22,935
Speaker 15: rusty nails, remove them if you can, or punch them

1133
01:05:22,975 --> 01:05:25,375
Speaker 15: if you can't, and then spot prime those areas just

1134
01:05:25,455 --> 01:05:29,415
Speaker 15: to stop that from sort of coming through so quickly. Yes,

1135
01:05:30,375 --> 01:05:33,895
Speaker 15: in your situation, now, yeah, it's you can clean it.

1136
01:05:34,055 --> 01:05:36,455
Speaker 15: Sometimes you can sort of clean the surface and it

1137
01:05:36,535 --> 01:05:39,375
Speaker 15: can remove a fair bit of it, or it's spot

1138
01:05:39,415 --> 01:05:41,175
Speaker 15: prime in the areas, like I say, with GP Metal

1139
01:05:41,215 --> 01:05:43,375
Speaker 15: Primer and then repaint over the top.

1140
01:05:43,895 --> 01:05:49,895
Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant. Now morning, any suggestions for removing a film

1141
01:05:50,255 --> 01:05:53,615
Speaker 4: forming stain from a queler dick from Paul?

1142
01:05:54,695 --> 01:05:57,135
Speaker 15: Why would you put that stain on the deck in

1143
01:05:57,175 --> 01:06:01,255
Speaker 15: the first place. So, filming stains when they start fell

1144
01:06:01,295 --> 01:06:04,335
Speaker 15: and break down, it's similar to paint. It starts flalying

1145
01:06:04,375 --> 01:06:07,695
Speaker 15: off and coming off in the sort of sharp edges

1146
01:06:07,775 --> 01:06:12,695
Speaker 15: and areas, and you'd you'd be looking pretty much the

1147
01:06:12,775 --> 01:06:15,455
Speaker 15: same as you would be if it was painted. So

1148
01:06:15,775 --> 01:06:20,775
Speaker 15: you could use a stripper, you could stand it, scrape it,

1149
01:06:23,015 --> 01:06:25,255
Speaker 15: and then use a penetrating stain once you've put it

1150
01:06:25,255 --> 01:06:25,615
Speaker 15: all off.

1151
01:06:27,495 --> 01:06:33,855
Speaker 4: Yikes, right, so listen from that one, don't or film

1152
01:06:33,935 --> 01:06:37,375
Speaker 4: forming stains are good for certain areas, but for somewhere

1153
01:06:37,455 --> 01:06:41,855
Speaker 4: that's likely to require maintenance, it makes the maintenance more difficult.

1154
01:06:42,575 --> 01:06:42,775
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1155
01:06:43,255 --> 01:06:45,455
Speaker 15: It's also there's not so many film forming stains on

1156
01:06:45,535 --> 01:06:47,415
Speaker 15: the market now. I think most of them are generally

1157
01:06:47,535 --> 01:06:52,135
Speaker 15: penetrating stains. Yes, like the raisine woodsmen. I mean if

1158
01:06:52,175 --> 01:06:55,135
Speaker 15: you once you've removed everything off the coiler deck, then

1159
01:06:55,215 --> 01:06:57,775
Speaker 15: we've got a coiler stain that ends up looking really good.

1160
01:06:57,775 --> 01:07:02,415
Speaker 4: One could I use the coiler stain on vitings.

1161
01:07:04,495 --> 01:07:07,775
Speaker 15: I've used it on pine so and it ends up

1162
01:07:07,775 --> 01:07:08,455
Speaker 15: looking really good.

1163
01:07:08,655 --> 01:07:08,855
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1164
01:07:09,135 --> 01:07:11,255
Speaker 15: Vtex obviously is really hard, so you've got to let

1165
01:07:11,295 --> 01:07:14,495
Speaker 15: it weather for a few months before you you do

1166
01:07:14,655 --> 01:07:18,895
Speaker 15: stain it, right, whether clean it down with timber and

1167
01:07:19,135 --> 01:07:21,975
Speaker 15: deck quash, and then once that strive, Yes, you should

1168
01:07:22,015 --> 01:07:24,975
Speaker 15: be fine. It's the same as everything else. If I'd say,

1169
01:07:25,055 --> 01:07:27,335
Speaker 15: try to test area somewhere and just well, but it

1170
01:07:27,375 --> 01:07:30,415
Speaker 15: shouldn't shouldn't have an issue, So asking for.

1171
01:07:30,455 --> 01:07:33,175
Speaker 4: A friend this particular deck that might have been withered

1172
01:07:33,255 --> 01:07:37,215
Speaker 4: for four years now, you know, standing to get a

1173
01:07:37,255 --> 01:07:38,135
Speaker 4: little bit of mold growth.

1174
01:07:38,255 --> 01:07:38,415
Speaker 5: You know.

1175
01:07:38,495 --> 01:07:40,815
Speaker 4: It's one of those classic ones where the client goes, oh, look,

1176
01:07:40,855 --> 01:07:42,295
Speaker 4: I want it to weather off and I like it

1177
01:07:42,335 --> 01:07:44,135
Speaker 4: when it goes a bit gray. But now they're looking

1178
01:07:44,175 --> 01:07:46,295
Speaker 4: at it going, oh, I've got mold growth on my

1179
01:07:46,935 --> 01:07:49,975
Speaker 4: untreated timber decking. Now it's not going to impact necessarily

1180
01:07:50,015 --> 01:07:52,495
Speaker 4: on the timber, but over time I think it'll cause

1181
01:07:53,095 --> 01:07:56,495
Speaker 4: more issues. So prepping that sort of area and putting

1182
01:07:56,775 --> 01:07:59,535
Speaker 4: a penetrating oil stain on it, what's my process?

1183
01:08:00,935 --> 01:08:03,535
Speaker 15: That was the main question I got asked on Friday

1184
01:08:03,695 --> 01:08:07,935
Speaker 15: on Nico Deco the standards. Every question was around mold

1185
01:08:08,015 --> 01:08:12,455
Speaker 15: growth and stains. So also we've got the razine, moss

1186
01:08:12,495 --> 01:08:16,535
Speaker 15: and mold killers for treating moss, mold, algae and all

1187
01:08:16,615 --> 01:08:18,935
Speaker 15: that sort of growth that you get, especially this time

1188
01:08:18,935 --> 01:08:22,135
Speaker 15: of year. I'm just looking at my areas at the moment,

1189
01:08:22,815 --> 01:08:26,215
Speaker 15: just finding jobs to do today. So once that's all treated,

1190
01:08:28,375 --> 01:08:33,335
Speaker 15: you've then got a choice of the razine Woodsman decking stain,

1191
01:08:33,695 --> 01:08:36,655
Speaker 15: or you've got the furniture and decking oil. You've got

1192
01:08:36,695 --> 01:08:41,175
Speaker 15: the cooler timber stain, you've got the woodsman would all

1193
01:08:41,455 --> 01:08:43,615
Speaker 15: Solvent born, all of those you can use on decks

1194
01:08:43,615 --> 01:08:47,975
Speaker 15: if you're going to stain it. Okay, the best brush

1195
01:08:48,135 --> 01:08:51,695
Speaker 15: for staining, honestly is the power deck Master on an

1196
01:08:51,735 --> 01:08:56,215
Speaker 15: extension poll. It's so quick and easy to apply. Yeah,

1197
01:08:56,375 --> 01:08:58,975
Speaker 15: just try and avoid doing it in direct sun so

1198
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:03,415
Speaker 15: the stain can and doesn't dry on your surface.

1199
01:09:03,815 --> 01:09:07,255
Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant, All right, fantastic, good you'll love this one

1200
01:09:07,295 --> 01:09:09,575
Speaker 4: for our lass text. It's not even a question. I

1201
01:09:09,695 --> 01:09:12,495
Speaker 4: have done so many touch ups with free paint samples,

1202
01:09:12,575 --> 01:09:17,935
Speaker 4: props pots. She ain't funny, says Chris. It's fantastic right, Hey,

1203
01:09:17,975 --> 01:09:20,055
Speaker 4: thanks very much for your time. You're not back at

1204
01:09:20,055 --> 01:09:20,975
Speaker 4: the stand today.

1205
01:09:22,095 --> 01:09:25,335
Speaker 15: Day off today, day off today yet around the house

1206
01:09:25,495 --> 01:09:26,535
Speaker 15: all right, Rip.

1207
01:09:26,535 --> 01:09:29,095
Speaker 4: And to have a good day. Thank you Jay for

1208
01:09:29,215 --> 01:09:31,295
Speaker 4: more advice, of course, just check out the team, go

1209
01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:34,055
Speaker 4: and talk to them, super experienced, super knowledgeable at your

1210
01:09:34,095 --> 01:09:36,775
Speaker 4: Razine color shops. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1211
01:09:36,815 --> 01:09:39,695
Speaker 4: We're back into your calls on all things building and construction.

1212
01:09:40,055 --> 01:09:43,255
Speaker 4: Back after the break quick texts that came in just

1213
01:09:43,335 --> 01:09:45,255
Speaker 4: after Jay went. But I'll see if I can answer

1214
01:09:45,255 --> 01:09:48,135
Speaker 4: this one, Maria. What paint should we use on bricks

1215
01:09:48,855 --> 01:09:51,735
Speaker 4: if there are any type of brick, Really, I would

1216
01:09:51,855 --> 01:09:54,455
Speaker 4: use a shure seal, so a pigmented sealer for the

1217
01:09:54,575 --> 01:09:58,015
Speaker 4: first coat. That's your primer that'll key in, and then

1218
01:09:58,535 --> 01:10:01,735
Speaker 4: whatever crylics you want to use Lumberside or Sonics, et

1219
01:10:01,775 --> 01:10:05,095
Speaker 4: cetera over the top of that. But that first coat

1220
01:10:05,335 --> 01:10:08,415
Speaker 4: is seen. You have to get that right, and that's

1221
01:10:08,415 --> 01:10:11,375
Speaker 4: got to be a pigmented seiler. Cody, A very good

1222
01:10:11,415 --> 01:10:11,895
Speaker 4: morning to you.

1223
01:10:12,935 --> 01:10:14,495
Speaker 3: Very good mon to you as well.

1224
01:10:14,655 --> 01:10:14,935
Speaker 6: Peter.

1225
01:10:15,095 --> 01:10:18,375
Speaker 3: Can I ask you about a problem with the gutter?

1226
01:10:18,695 --> 01:10:18,935
Speaker 9: Sure?

1227
01:10:20,495 --> 01:10:23,335
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a true story house and we have

1228
01:10:23,575 --> 01:10:27,615
Speaker 3: a persistent problem with the gutter getting blocked. In fact,

1229
01:10:27,735 --> 01:10:31,455
Speaker 3: we had to use two coming companies two weeks apart

1230
01:10:31,615 --> 01:10:35,015
Speaker 3: to create it. We don't know whether the first company

1231
01:10:35,135 --> 01:10:39,695
Speaker 3: did a proper job. We saw in a neighbor's house

1232
01:10:40,175 --> 01:10:43,975
Speaker 3: a type of gutter guard which is a flat seat

1233
01:10:44,215 --> 01:10:48,095
Speaker 3: with holes in it. At one end it goes under

1234
01:10:48,175 --> 01:10:52,335
Speaker 3: the tile and the other end covers the gutter. Yes,

1235
01:10:54,495 --> 01:10:56,135
Speaker 3: is it a good system to use?

1236
01:10:57,695 --> 01:10:57,895
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1237
01:10:58,415 --> 01:11:02,935
Speaker 4: It is so you've got a concrete tile roof, and yeah, okay,

1238
01:11:03,095 --> 01:11:07,015
Speaker 4: so what you need in that sense that system goes

1239
01:11:07,175 --> 01:11:10,215
Speaker 4: over the first tile and then tucks underneath the row

1240
01:11:10,415 --> 01:11:14,335
Speaker 4: of the tiles above. So and obviously the blockages are

1241
01:11:14,495 --> 01:11:21,095
Speaker 4: being caused by debris from trees, from overhanging trees. Yeah okay, Hey, look,

1242
01:11:21,175 --> 01:11:24,095
Speaker 4: it's also not wrong to suggest that you maybe trim

1243
01:11:24,255 --> 01:11:26,935
Speaker 4: some of those trees back, right, which you're entitled to do.

1244
01:11:28,055 --> 01:11:31,415
Speaker 3: Can you the neighbors to house trees? So we have

1245
01:11:32,095 --> 01:11:34,855
Speaker 3: mid sack hitting the head on a brick quid to

1246
01:11:34,935 --> 01:11:36,175
Speaker 3: get them to come to the party.

1247
01:11:36,495 --> 01:11:40,495
Speaker 4: But are the branches that impact your roof hanging over

1248
01:11:40,615 --> 01:11:41,255
Speaker 4: your boundary?

1249
01:11:42,255 --> 01:11:45,015
Speaker 3: No, it is by the leaves getting brawn by the ride.

1250
01:11:45,335 --> 01:11:48,415
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, because anything that hangs over the boundary,

1251
01:11:48,655 --> 01:11:51,735
Speaker 4: you as the homeowner, as the property owner, are entitled

1252
01:11:51,815 --> 01:11:53,135
Speaker 4: to remove, right.

1253
01:11:53,735 --> 01:11:53,815
Speaker 14: So.

1254
01:11:55,415 --> 01:11:58,775
Speaker 4: Just pointing that out. But yeah, systems like that, So

1255
01:11:59,015 --> 01:12:01,575
Speaker 4: that's like a screen. So what happens is the debris

1256
01:12:01,695 --> 01:12:04,335
Speaker 4: lands on the roof, the leaf debris lands on the

1257
01:12:04,415 --> 01:12:07,775
Speaker 4: roof gets pushed down by the rain or gravity, and

1258
01:12:07,895 --> 01:12:10,455
Speaker 4: then rather than sitting in the spouting, it goes over.

1259
01:12:10,575 --> 01:12:13,655
Speaker 4: But as the rain comes down, it percolates through those

1260
01:12:13,775 --> 01:12:17,855
Speaker 4: holes and drops into your spouting. So yes, all of

1261
01:12:17,935 --> 01:12:22,135
Speaker 4: those systems like that will solve your problem, because this

1262
01:12:22,295 --> 01:12:23,095
Speaker 4: is one of the challenges.

1263
01:12:23,175 --> 01:12:25,495
Speaker 3: Isn't hanging on to our property?

1264
01:12:25,855 --> 01:12:26,055
Speaker 4: Yep?

1265
01:12:26,935 --> 01:12:30,415
Speaker 3: We are to get the permission the all of the

1266
01:12:30,655 --> 01:12:33,175
Speaker 3: tree to No, No, you.

1267
01:12:33,215 --> 01:12:37,575
Speaker 4: Don't so anything that's only over your boundary, right. You

1268
01:12:37,655 --> 01:12:40,415
Speaker 4: have to be very clear. You can't trim back onto

1269
01:12:40,495 --> 01:12:44,095
Speaker 4: their property. But anything take a line straight up from

1270
01:12:44,175 --> 01:12:48,695
Speaker 4: your boundary. Anything that's overhanging you can remove. Interestingly enough,

1271
01:12:49,135 --> 01:12:52,095
Speaker 4: you also have to put the branches back on the

1272
01:12:52,175 --> 01:12:57,735
Speaker 4: neighbor's property because I think otherwise it could be considered

1273
01:12:57,815 --> 01:13:00,895
Speaker 4: theft that you're stealing their branches. Right, so you put

1274
01:13:00,935 --> 01:13:04,815
Speaker 4: it back, and you don't as best I understand it,

1275
01:13:04,895 --> 01:13:09,055
Speaker 4: you don't have to ask permission of that, right. Okay,

1276
01:13:10,775 --> 01:13:14,175
Speaker 4: my pleasure. You have a great day, Take care all.

1277
01:13:14,215 --> 01:13:14,575
Speaker 6: Right, bye.

1278
01:13:14,615 --> 01:13:17,015
Speaker 4: By then your news talks, there'd be Pete wolf camp

1279
01:13:17,095 --> 01:13:19,215
Speaker 4: with you this morning, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1280
01:13:19,295 --> 01:13:21,815
Speaker 4: talking all things building, construction and every now and then

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Speaker 4: a little bit of neighborly advice. I'm on pretty solid ground.

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Speaker 4: So if there are branches that are hanging over from

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01:13:27,455 --> 01:13:31,615
Speaker 4: the neighbor. You're entitled as the homeowner property owner to

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01:13:31,775 --> 01:13:34,215
Speaker 4: remove those branches. But I understand that it is quite

1285
01:13:34,255 --> 01:13:37,375
Speaker 4: clear in the legislation you are to return those to

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01:13:38,215 --> 01:13:41,695
Speaker 4: the person from whence they came. They are, after all,

1287
01:13:42,255 --> 01:13:45,455
Speaker 4: your neighbors branches, so give them back to be fair.

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01:13:45,895 --> 01:13:47,415
Speaker 4: It happened to me a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 4: I was a little bit surprised.

1290
01:13:48,815 --> 01:13:49,015
Speaker 9: I was.

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01:13:49,175 --> 01:13:51,655
Speaker 4: I just kind of felt, gosh, that's a bit cheeky.

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01:13:51,855 --> 01:13:54,055
Speaker 4: You know, you've you've trimmed some branches and then you're

1293
01:13:54,055 --> 01:13:56,655
Speaker 4: throwing them back on my side. But apparently that's the rules.

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01:13:57,055 --> 01:13:59,295
Speaker 4: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1295
01:13:59,415 --> 01:14:02,335
Speaker 4: take short break back in a moment. Calls or lines

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01:14:02,375 --> 01:14:03,895
Speaker 4: are free right now, so give us a call. Oh,

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01:14:03,935 --> 01:14:06,575
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Happy to talk a little

1298
01:14:06,575 --> 01:14:09,295
Speaker 4: bit more about the old consultant thing that was a

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01:14:09,335 --> 01:14:12,375
Speaker 4: big topic about half an hour ago, as well anything

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01:14:12,455 --> 01:14:16,895
Speaker 4: to do with building construction, product selection regulation. We'll talk

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01:14:16,895 --> 01:14:19,375
Speaker 4: about all things building here on the show. Eight hundred

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01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:24,495
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty number, your news talks. He'd be ten

1303
01:14:24,575 --> 01:14:26,935
Speaker 4: minutes away from eight o'clock. Remember, in the next hour

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01:14:27,015 --> 01:14:29,375
Speaker 4: rud climb passed were into the garden with RUDD eight

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01:14:29,535 --> 01:14:32,255
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. During

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01:14:32,295 --> 01:14:34,135
Speaker 4: the break, I was having a look. I've been captivated

1307
01:14:34,215 --> 01:14:36,815
Speaker 4: by this story during the week about the Wellington City

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01:14:36,935 --> 01:14:42,335
Speaker 4: Council spending five hundred and sixty two, nine hundred and

1309
01:14:42,495 --> 01:14:47,335
Speaker 4: forty two dollars on the cycle rack. Well, it wasn't

1310
01:14:47,455 --> 01:14:49,815
Speaker 4: just the cycle rack or the shelter for the bikes.

1311
01:14:50,575 --> 01:14:53,895
Speaker 4: That included some civil works as well in terms of

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01:14:55,135 --> 01:15:01,375
Speaker 4: roadway realignment and the installation of a cycle path. And

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01:15:01,575 --> 01:15:05,375
Speaker 4: then it's got the Contracting Limited who charged three hundred thousand,

1314
01:15:05,495 --> 01:15:09,575
Speaker 4: Ara Shell who the design and supply so eighty five

1315
01:15:09,695 --> 01:15:18,455
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, the civil design and construction monitoring thirty six

1316
01:15:18,535 --> 01:15:22,775
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, their internal labor thirty four thousand dollars, Wellington

1317
01:15:23,095 --> 01:15:27,375
Speaker 4: Electricity twenty seven thousand dollars. The bi cracks themselves were

1318
01:15:27,455 --> 01:15:30,135
Speaker 4: twenty six thousand. So I wonder whether the shelter is

1319
01:15:30,215 --> 01:15:32,015
Speaker 4: one part of it, and then the bike rack is

1320
01:15:32,015 --> 01:15:35,615
Speaker 4: another part of it. Then there's the CCTV cameras nineteen

1321
01:15:35,695 --> 01:15:39,415
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Then there's the lighting assessment and supply six

1322
01:15:39,495 --> 01:15:42,855
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. There's a rubbishment two four hundred dollars for

1323
01:15:42,895 --> 01:15:47,455
Speaker 4: a rubbishment, and then a building consent exemption fee that

1324
01:15:47,535 --> 01:15:49,775
Speaker 4: they had to pay themselves nine hundred and twenty one.

1325
01:15:50,095 --> 01:15:53,455
Speaker 4: That's the cheapest bit of the whole project, not having

1326
01:15:53,495 --> 01:15:59,335
Speaker 4: to get a building consent for it. I'll tell you

1327
01:15:59,455 --> 01:16:03,015
Speaker 4: what on the old CCTV camera thing, I got some

1328
01:16:03,135 --> 01:16:12,735
Speaker 4: cameras and stalls, it's twelve hundred bucks. Yeah, exactly right, Kim,

1329
01:16:12,815 --> 01:16:13,575
Speaker 4: Good morning.

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01:16:14,455 --> 01:16:16,575
Speaker 7: You, Good morning hey. I was just picking up on

1331
01:16:16,695 --> 01:16:22,135
Speaker 7: your conversation around trees and then when the limb is

1332
01:16:22,295 --> 01:16:26,215
Speaker 7: over your boundary, there is technically the adjoining owners.

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01:16:27,615 --> 01:16:28,135
Speaker 5: He owns it.

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01:16:28,335 --> 01:16:31,255
Speaker 7: But we're in a situation where we're quite a large

1335
01:16:31,335 --> 01:16:35,615
Speaker 7: tree and branch fell and damaged his each on his house.

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01:16:35,735 --> 01:16:37,655
Speaker 7: So does it techniqually your.

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01:16:37,575 --> 01:16:42,215
Speaker 4: True Yes, your tree and it fell and damaged your

1338
01:16:42,255 --> 01:16:43,015
Speaker 4: neighbour's property.

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01:16:43,135 --> 01:16:46,295
Speaker 7: Yep, just a branch, not the tree. It's the branch

1340
01:16:47,695 --> 01:16:50,775
Speaker 7: in a storm. So I'm just wondering, you know, and

1341
01:16:50,935 --> 01:16:53,575
Speaker 7: I'm just curious, and you may not have the answer,

1342
01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:57,175
Speaker 7: but if that the limb of the tree that was

1343
01:16:57,215 --> 01:17:01,415
Speaker 7: on his side hit his outr each, does that mean

1344
01:17:01,535 --> 01:17:04,215
Speaker 7: that the responsibility to appear those ease would sit on

1345
01:17:04,655 --> 01:17:05,455
Speaker 7: the adjoining owner.

1346
01:17:08,055 --> 01:17:10,735
Speaker 4: But it's your tree that fell and caused the damage,

1347
01:17:10,775 --> 01:17:13,415
Speaker 4: So I would have thought the owner would likely knock

1348
01:17:13,455 --> 01:17:17,295
Speaker 4: on your door and go, hey, Sunshine, you've got to

1349
01:17:17,655 --> 01:17:19,455
Speaker 4: at least chip in for some of the costs.

1350
01:17:20,935 --> 01:17:23,535
Speaker 7: Well, there's things that you did say that technically they own.

1351
01:17:24,135 --> 01:17:27,455
Speaker 7: It's over the boundary that they technically own that particular.

1352
01:17:27,655 --> 01:17:30,615
Speaker 4: No, no, no, sorry, I think that what I was

1353
01:17:30,695 --> 01:17:34,655
Speaker 4: trying to say is that the apparently what you're supposed

1354
01:17:34,655 --> 01:17:38,055
Speaker 4: to do is return the branches that you've cut off

1355
01:17:38,855 --> 01:17:42,495
Speaker 4: back to the owner, right, so basically throw them back

1356
01:17:42,535 --> 01:17:46,575
Speaker 4: over the fence into the neighbour's yard. And in that sense,

1357
01:17:46,735 --> 01:17:50,015
Speaker 4: that's because it's their tree and you've removed a section

1358
01:17:50,175 --> 01:17:53,335
Speaker 4: of their tree and you take it back. That wouldn't

1359
01:17:53,415 --> 01:17:56,415
Speaker 4: extend to the fact that because your branch hangs over

1360
01:17:56,895 --> 01:18:00,335
Speaker 4: that suddenly your neighbor owns that branch. They don't you

1361
01:18:00,535 --> 01:18:03,215
Speaker 4: still own it, and something that you owned has caused

1362
01:18:03,295 --> 01:18:05,735
Speaker 4: damage to a neighbor. I think of it if it

1363
01:18:05,815 --> 01:18:07,895
Speaker 4: happened to me, And I know we've got a large

1364
01:18:07,935 --> 01:18:10,935
Speaker 4: Bodkawa tree on the front of our property now that

1365
01:18:11,255 --> 01:18:14,375
Speaker 4: actually overhangs my neighbor. But they're quite happy with the tree.

1366
01:18:14,455 --> 01:18:17,615
Speaker 4: It adds, you know, the birds are in it and

1367
01:18:17,655 --> 01:18:19,215
Speaker 4: all the rest of it. Right, we both like it,

1368
01:18:19,295 --> 01:18:23,135
Speaker 4: and so I've recently had the canopy reduced. But still

1369
01:18:23,175 --> 01:18:26,095
Speaker 4: there's one limb that does extend over to my neighbor's property.

1370
01:18:26,895 --> 01:18:29,575
Speaker 4: I'm cognizant of it, and I know that they accept it.

1371
01:18:30,135 --> 01:18:32,335
Speaker 4: But if it fell and damaged I don't know, a

1372
01:18:32,415 --> 01:18:35,055
Speaker 4: garden ornament or something like that, I would feel that

1373
01:18:35,175 --> 01:18:37,215
Speaker 4: I had some responsibility to replace it.

1374
01:18:39,415 --> 01:18:43,255
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, Well it's interesting because you know the theory

1375
01:18:43,375 --> 01:18:45,815
Speaker 7: of if it's landa on his side and he owns it,

1376
01:18:45,895 --> 01:18:47,655
Speaker 7: then I can't I can't take it back.

1377
01:18:47,735 --> 01:18:50,415
Speaker 5: It's it's well no, no.

1378
01:18:50,455 --> 01:18:53,575
Speaker 4: No, it's it's because it's your tree, right, it's attached

1379
01:18:53,615 --> 01:18:56,855
Speaker 4: to your tree, and it left your tree and damaged

1380
01:18:56,935 --> 01:19:01,055
Speaker 4: his spouting or facia. I would say that the responsibility

1381
01:19:01,215 --> 01:19:02,055
Speaker 4: is yours.

1382
01:19:04,215 --> 01:19:08,895
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say, yeah, I don't doubt that. I

1383
01:19:08,975 --> 01:19:11,855
Speaker 7: was just curious picking up on your comment.

1384
01:19:12,135 --> 01:19:15,175
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm just it's very much just

1385
01:19:15,295 --> 01:19:18,655
Speaker 4: into like I was a bit surprised when another instance

1386
01:19:18,935 --> 01:19:22,535
Speaker 4: branches ended up back on my property right, and I'm like, oh,

1387
01:19:22,615 --> 01:19:26,375
Speaker 4: I wonder what that's about. And then I have understood

1388
01:19:26,495 --> 01:19:29,735
Speaker 4: from years of experience that that is the requirement is

1389
01:19:29,775 --> 01:19:31,815
Speaker 4: that you hand them back. But I would say that

1390
01:19:31,895 --> 01:19:34,055
Speaker 4: if it's your tree that's fallen and cause damage to

1391
01:19:34,135 --> 01:19:37,055
Speaker 4: your neighbor or broken off, you would be responsible because

1392
01:19:37,095 --> 01:19:39,375
Speaker 4: you own it in the same way. Just quickly before

1393
01:19:39,415 --> 01:19:42,415
Speaker 4: we go the break, There's often been that discussion about

1394
01:19:42,455 --> 01:19:45,855
Speaker 4: what happens when my neighbors trees grow up and impede

1395
01:19:45,975 --> 01:19:48,615
Speaker 4: my view. For example, so you move into a house

1396
01:19:48,655 --> 01:19:50,575
Speaker 4: and ten years later the trees blocked your view of

1397
01:19:50,695 --> 01:19:55,535
Speaker 4: the water. Through the property law or the Property Act,

1398
01:19:55,735 --> 01:19:59,415
Speaker 4: you can seek redress through that to have your neighbor

1399
01:19:59,535 --> 01:20:03,055
Speaker 4: reduce the size of the tree so that you can

1400
01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:06,775
Speaker 4: enjoy the view which was inherent in you purchasing that property.

1401
01:20:06,815 --> 01:20:08,695
Speaker 4: But that's a whole separate thing. It is on my

1402
01:20:08,855 --> 01:20:11,455
Speaker 4: list of experts to get into the studio or to

1403
01:20:11,495 --> 01:20:14,375
Speaker 4: get on the line is to go, let's do fencing

1404
01:20:14,455 --> 01:20:17,495
Speaker 4: Act and Property Act as it relates to trees, to

1405
01:20:17,575 --> 01:20:19,255
Speaker 4: get some advice. So I'll put that on my list.

1406
01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,375
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for you call Kim. Speaking of

1407
01:20:22,455 --> 01:20:25,255
Speaker 4: things that were on my list. I mentioned some time

1408
01:20:25,295 --> 01:20:28,815
Speaker 4: ago that I had reached out to the new or

1409
01:20:28,855 --> 01:20:32,855
Speaker 4: not so new now Minister for Housing and Construction, that

1410
01:20:33,015 --> 01:20:37,335
Speaker 4: is the honorable Chris Pink, and through his office, we've

1411
01:20:37,695 --> 01:20:41,655
Speaker 4: arranged to do an interview this coming week, which I

1412
01:20:41,735 --> 01:20:44,495
Speaker 4: don't think i'll have time to put on next Sunday,

1413
01:20:44,535 --> 01:20:47,575
Speaker 4: but the following Sunday will broadcast that interview. So really

1414
01:20:47,775 --> 01:20:50,095
Speaker 4: looking forward to meeting him. I've met at a couple

1415
01:20:50,135 --> 01:20:53,295
Speaker 4: of conferences and in fact, yeah, so we'll do that

1416
01:20:53,455 --> 01:20:56,015
Speaker 4: with Chris Pink soon. Righty, oh, good morning, Welcome back

1417
01:20:56,055 --> 01:20:57,735
Speaker 4: to the program. My name's Pete wolf Camp at the

1418
01:20:57,735 --> 01:21:00,895
Speaker 4: Resident Builder and I'm here till nine o'clock. We're talking

1419
01:21:01,015 --> 01:21:04,615
Speaker 4: building until eight thirty this morning, which is I don't know,

1420
01:21:04,655 --> 01:21:08,015
Speaker 4: a bear twenty two minutes away thereabouts, and then we

1421
01:21:08,135 --> 01:21:11,335
Speaker 4: are into the garden with red kline past. We could

1422
01:21:11,455 --> 01:21:14,655
Speaker 4: be talking trees with Rudd, because that is his specialty

1423
01:21:14,735 --> 01:21:17,775
Speaker 4: as it happens, but this is more around the legal stuff.

1424
01:21:17,815 --> 01:21:22,495
Speaker 4: I seem to have started a firestorm, to be fair,

1425
01:21:22,695 --> 01:21:24,975
Speaker 4: in terms of the text messages, which is really intriguing.

1426
01:21:27,095 --> 01:21:29,815
Speaker 4: Just my comment about you know, trimming a neighbor's tree

1427
01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:34,415
Speaker 4: so my understanding is that if it overhangs your property,

1428
01:21:34,575 --> 01:21:37,055
Speaker 4: you as the property owner, have the right to remove

1429
01:21:37,215 --> 01:21:42,135
Speaker 4: those branches. You then return those branches to neighbor because

1430
01:21:42,215 --> 01:21:45,175
Speaker 4: they are their branches. That's the thinking behind that. I

1431
01:21:45,255 --> 01:21:48,215
Speaker 4: kind of get that. And then we got onto talking

1432
01:21:48,255 --> 01:21:51,215
Speaker 4: with Kim before the break about well, what happens if

1433
01:21:51,295 --> 01:21:53,295
Speaker 4: one of a branch from a tree that's on my

1434
01:21:53,495 --> 01:21:58,175
Speaker 4: property falls and damages my neighbor's property and someone has

1435
01:21:58,255 --> 01:22:01,415
Speaker 4: text through and said, hey, look now where is it.

1436
01:22:01,695 --> 01:22:04,295
Speaker 4: I've lost the text. Here we go. As far as

1437
01:22:04,415 --> 01:22:07,255
Speaker 4: insurance is concerned, I believe we'll have to check this out.

1438
01:22:07,375 --> 01:22:10,615
Speaker 4: If a branch of my tree damages my neighbor's property,

1439
01:22:10,975 --> 01:22:14,135
Speaker 4: it is not my responsibility, as it was an act

1440
01:22:14,175 --> 01:22:22,615
Speaker 4: of God. Interesting. That's going to be really interesting in

1441
01:22:22,775 --> 01:22:25,975
Speaker 4: terms of there was a case about, I don't know

1442
01:22:26,135 --> 01:22:29,055
Speaker 4: sometime in the last six months, let's say, where a

1443
01:22:29,215 --> 01:22:34,055
Speaker 4: large eucalyptus tree which is on a council reserve blew

1444
01:22:34,135 --> 01:22:37,455
Speaker 4: over and crashed through the car port and damage to

1445
01:22:37,575 --> 01:22:40,895
Speaker 4: car of the adjoining property. Interestingly enough, the owners of

1446
01:22:41,015 --> 01:22:43,895
Speaker 4: that property had said to counsel, I think for the

1447
01:22:44,015 --> 01:22:46,855
Speaker 4: last almost two years, there's a problem with the tree,

1448
01:22:46,975 --> 01:22:49,575
Speaker 4: you should come and remove it. They had been out, No,

1449
01:22:49,695 --> 01:22:51,455
Speaker 4: there's not a problem with the tree. Then they'd come

1450
01:22:51,535 --> 01:22:55,135
Speaker 4: back and apparently council mysteriously had just decided to remove

1451
01:22:55,175 --> 01:22:58,095
Speaker 4: it in the week before the tree fell over and

1452
01:22:58,135 --> 01:23:01,695
Speaker 4: did all of that damage. Now, would ensurers consider that

1453
01:23:01,735 --> 01:23:04,295
Speaker 4: an act of God and not go to council and go, actually,

1454
01:23:04,335 --> 01:23:06,855
Speaker 4: we're going to seek a contribution from you the damage

1455
01:23:06,895 --> 01:23:10,975
Speaker 4: to the tree or not. That would be an interesting one. Yes, Pete,

1456
01:23:11,295 --> 01:23:13,895
Speaker 4: says another Texter. Let's talk neighbors in their trees. I've

1457
01:23:13,895 --> 01:23:17,055
Speaker 4: got a landlord next a landlord next door destroying my

1458
01:23:17,255 --> 01:23:19,535
Speaker 4: life with his tree roots breaking up the boundary fence

1459
01:23:19,575 --> 01:23:24,975
Speaker 4: and the block wall. Very stressful. I can imagine that

1460
01:23:25,215 --> 01:23:28,375
Speaker 4: is the case. I have to say I'd take a

1461
01:23:28,415 --> 01:23:32,855
Speaker 4: fairly mercenary approach to that, and just any branch or

1462
01:23:32,975 --> 01:23:36,015
Speaker 4: root that extended onto my property, I'd be quite happy

1463
01:23:36,095 --> 01:23:40,375
Speaker 4: to take that out to be fair. Um, where's another one. Ah,

1464
01:23:40,455 --> 01:23:40,815
Speaker 4: here we go.

1465
01:23:42,575 --> 01:23:42,735
Speaker 10: Ah.

1466
01:23:43,055 --> 01:23:45,615
Speaker 4: If a limb from the tree overhangs, then am I

1467
01:23:45,815 --> 01:23:48,455
Speaker 4: legally allowed to enter my neighbor's property to remove it

1468
01:23:48,575 --> 01:23:52,095
Speaker 4: without any consultation to eliminate the possibility that it will

1469
01:23:52,175 --> 01:23:54,855
Speaker 4: fall and cause further damage. I don't think so as

1470
01:23:54,895 --> 01:23:57,655
Speaker 4: it's clear cut. I don't think it's as clear cut

1471
01:23:57,695 --> 01:23:59,535
Speaker 4: as you say. I don't think you're allowed to enter

1472
01:23:59,575 --> 01:24:02,895
Speaker 4: your neighbor's property to remove the branch. You can only

1473
01:24:02,975 --> 01:24:05,575
Speaker 4: remove what hangs over the boundary, and you need to

1474
01:24:05,655 --> 01:24:09,735
Speaker 4: do that from your own property, because I mean, if

1475
01:24:09,775 --> 01:24:14,975
Speaker 4: you enter without permission, isn't that just trespass. So I

1476
01:24:15,055 --> 01:24:17,015
Speaker 4: think it's what you can reach from your property and

1477
01:24:17,215 --> 01:24:20,415
Speaker 4: only what hangs over the boundary, So you can't lean

1478
01:24:20,535 --> 01:24:24,535
Speaker 4: in and trim more than you're entitled to. It's strictly

1479
01:24:24,615 --> 01:24:29,015
Speaker 4: on the boundary. An arborist has text as well and said, hey, look,

1480
01:24:29,135 --> 01:24:31,815
Speaker 4: just heads up. He said, good advice on the tree,

1481
01:24:32,855 --> 01:24:34,935
Speaker 4: always touch on the key. Well, this is a separate one.

1482
01:24:35,215 --> 01:24:38,375
Speaker 4: Always touch a key message, talk to your neighbors. Not

1483
01:24:38,455 --> 01:24:40,975
Speaker 4: always easy, I know, but it's important from the start.

1484
01:24:41,015 --> 01:24:44,815
Speaker 4: Thank you Jonathan for that. And yes, the arborist said, hey, look,

1485
01:24:46,015 --> 01:24:50,495
Speaker 4: there's also a requirement where if you do remove some branches,

1486
01:24:50,615 --> 01:24:52,615
Speaker 4: and they're the ones that you're legally entitled to do

1487
01:24:52,735 --> 01:24:57,415
Speaker 4: because they're on your property, then you also need to

1488
01:24:57,455 --> 01:24:59,095
Speaker 4: do it in such a way that it doesn't cause

1489
01:24:59,215 --> 01:25:02,815
Speaker 4: damage to the tree, so if you then end up

1490
01:25:02,895 --> 01:25:05,095
Speaker 4: killing the tree by removing all of those branches, you

1491
01:25:05,215 --> 01:25:08,375
Speaker 4: might be held liable for that. I am on the

1492
01:25:08,455 --> 01:25:10,655
Speaker 4: hunt for a lawyer who could speak to us from

1493
01:25:10,695 --> 01:25:13,775
Speaker 4: a professional point of view, and I've done a little

1494
01:25:13,775 --> 01:25:16,255
Speaker 4: bit of digging around. But to be fair, if you

1495
01:25:16,335 --> 01:25:18,655
Speaker 4: know someone, feel free to take the number. A suggestion

1496
01:25:18,815 --> 01:25:20,455
Speaker 4: for someone who would be good to talk to on

1497
01:25:20,535 --> 01:25:24,295
Speaker 4: this oh eight is that number to call tom A

1498
01:25:24,535 --> 01:25:27,455
Speaker 4: very good morning, Good morning, sir.

1499
01:25:29,335 --> 01:25:33,095
Speaker 8: I just picked up when you mentioned this tree. Yes,

1500
01:25:33,335 --> 01:25:37,735
Speaker 8: about thirty five years ago I planted a eucalyptus green

1501
01:25:37,815 --> 01:25:42,775
Speaker 8: gun and a while back it fellow joined right away,

1502
01:25:42,855 --> 01:25:46,295
Speaker 8: a fellow that took two lines out yep and banged

1503
01:25:46,375 --> 01:25:50,095
Speaker 8: part of the neighbor's house. The state insurance would pay

1504
01:25:50,215 --> 01:25:51,615
Speaker 8: for half the fence.

1505
01:25:53,535 --> 01:25:55,095
Speaker 7: And not the.

1506
01:25:57,215 --> 01:25:59,615
Speaker 8: The damage to the roof on next door, which still

1507
01:25:59,615 --> 01:26:03,095
Speaker 8: hasn't been fixed in two years. They said it was

1508
01:26:03,215 --> 01:26:07,455
Speaker 8: next to God, so it's exactly like you said. But

1509
01:26:07,575 --> 01:26:12,055
Speaker 8: that's the insurance companies. But how the hell can they

1510
01:26:12,175 --> 01:26:18,655
Speaker 8: prove that God did it, because I don't think he's

1511
01:26:18,735 --> 01:26:21,895
Speaker 8: working now because look at Putin and Russia and.

1512
01:26:22,135 --> 01:26:26,695
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is an intriguing sort of hangover in our

1513
01:26:26,815 --> 01:26:32,775
Speaker 4: language that if that's still in insurance documents today, you know,

1514
01:26:33,215 --> 01:26:36,415
Speaker 4: given that we are increasingly a secular society, that we

1515
01:26:36,575 --> 01:26:39,855
Speaker 4: still include in that, don't they call it all the

1516
01:26:39,935 --> 01:26:43,655
Speaker 4: nature resulted or something like that. I'm intrigued by your

1517
01:26:43,775 --> 01:26:46,535
Speaker 4: situation though, where you know, if a tree that's on

1518
01:26:46,655 --> 01:26:51,055
Speaker 4: your property falls damages your neighbor, Okay, we can call

1519
01:26:51,135 --> 01:26:52,975
Speaker 4: that an act of God if that's what's written in

1520
01:26:53,015 --> 01:26:53,895
Speaker 4: the insurance policy.

1521
01:26:54,335 --> 01:26:55,855
Speaker 8: Anything to blame anybody else?

1522
01:26:59,735 --> 01:27:04,575
Speaker 4: Oh, that's fantastic. I mean those eucalypse are notorious for

1523
01:27:04,735 --> 01:27:07,775
Speaker 4: just sort of shedding branches and high winds and that

1524
01:27:07,895 --> 01:27:10,815
Speaker 4: sort of thing. Let's stick to planting natives, I think

1525
01:27:10,975 --> 01:27:13,735
Speaker 4: is the answer there. Hey, nice of you to call

1526
01:27:13,895 --> 01:27:16,095
Speaker 4: Tom all the very best to you, eight hundred and

1527
01:27:16,335 --> 01:27:19,135
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty the number to call Chris, Good morning

1528
01:27:19,215 --> 01:27:19,335
Speaker 4: to you.

1529
01:27:20,935 --> 01:27:24,575
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, Pete. Kind of playing Givil's advocate about

1530
01:27:24,695 --> 01:27:28,615
Speaker 10: right order another angle to this whole tree over the boundary. Yes,

1531
01:27:30,015 --> 01:27:35,335
Speaker 10: so my tree over the boundary breaks off, damages neighbors property. Yes,

1532
01:27:35,735 --> 01:27:38,375
Speaker 10: I couldn't make it the argument that it was actually

1533
01:27:38,455 --> 01:27:47,415
Speaker 10: his fault, right he can? He can maintain it, he can.

1534
01:27:47,335 --> 01:27:47,735
Speaker 8: Come it back.

1535
01:27:47,935 --> 01:27:51,255
Speaker 10: Yes, make sure I can't. I'm not an as to

1536
01:27:51,335 --> 01:27:52,975
Speaker 10: his property without asking.

1537
01:27:53,495 --> 01:28:00,415
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, that's argument very much my tree.

1538
01:28:00,575 --> 01:28:03,095
Speaker 10: But it's on his property. If it's like to the

1539
01:28:03,175 --> 01:28:06,095
Speaker 10: damage his house, it is responsibility. And can I have

1540
01:28:06,175 --> 01:28:06,975
Speaker 10: the back pleasing you?

1541
01:28:07,055 --> 01:28:07,255
Speaker 6: Bum?

1542
01:28:10,695 --> 01:28:13,655
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I could, you know, I can kind of

1543
01:28:13,695 --> 01:28:16,815
Speaker 10: see both sides. I think the best thing here has

1544
01:28:17,335 --> 01:28:22,135
Speaker 10: talked to you. Make sure you both know what's going.

1545
01:28:23,015 --> 01:28:24,575
Speaker 10: Don't worry about insurance company.

1546
01:28:26,175 --> 01:28:28,215
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the good users. Thanks very much

1547
01:28:28,255 --> 01:28:30,935
Speaker 4: for that, Chris. We've got Graham who has some fifty

1548
01:28:31,055 --> 01:28:33,695
Speaker 4: years insurance experience, and you want to comment about this

1549
01:28:33,895 --> 01:28:38,535
Speaker 4: Act of God legalities. Good morning, Graham, Good morning.

1550
01:28:40,135 --> 01:28:40,375
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1551
01:28:40,495 --> 01:28:44,615
Speaker 16: I've said just over fifty years, and I can honestly say,

1552
01:28:44,695 --> 01:28:47,175
Speaker 16: and none of the policies have ever found the words

1553
01:28:47,375 --> 01:28:48,215
Speaker 16: Act of God.

1554
01:28:48,375 --> 01:28:53,255
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I mean, look at it was there in

1555
01:28:53,335 --> 01:28:55,935
Speaker 4: a text. So what would they generally be regarded as

1556
01:28:56,055 --> 01:28:58,255
Speaker 4: just nature related or natural.

1557
01:28:59,615 --> 01:29:03,015
Speaker 16: We're quite lucky in museum and our policies are much

1558
01:29:03,335 --> 01:29:06,175
Speaker 16: easier to understand than some of the overseas ones. Sure

1559
01:29:06,455 --> 01:29:08,695
Speaker 16: there may be in some of the overseas policies in

1560
01:29:08,775 --> 01:29:11,095
Speaker 16: active God, but I've never found it in all the

1561
01:29:11,135 --> 01:29:12,855
Speaker 16: policies I've dealt with them fifty years.

1562
01:29:13,655 --> 01:29:15,575
Speaker 4: Well, I'll take your word for it, because it sounds like.

1563
01:29:16,215 --> 01:29:20,815
Speaker 16: The policy covers things blowing, over falling, over wind damage.

1564
01:29:22,695 --> 01:29:22,895
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1565
01:29:23,735 --> 01:29:26,135
Speaker 4: Would you offer up an opinion then, about the situation

1566
01:29:26,295 --> 01:29:29,775
Speaker 4: where you know, we've talked about the situation where you know,

1567
01:29:29,895 --> 01:29:31,975
Speaker 4: let's say I've got a tree on my property and

1568
01:29:32,095 --> 01:29:35,695
Speaker 4: it's overhanging my neighbors and we don't seem to have

1569
01:29:35,815 --> 01:29:38,615
Speaker 4: a problem with that. Wind blows, it falls over, and

1570
01:29:38,775 --> 01:29:41,615
Speaker 4: it crashes through the corner of the verandah, let's say.

1571
01:29:43,415 --> 01:29:47,775
Speaker 16: Most policies, yea, most policies would cover ather, removal of

1572
01:29:47,855 --> 01:29:52,655
Speaker 16: the tree from the damaged area, and the repair of

1573
01:29:52,935 --> 01:29:59,375
Speaker 16: the damaged property. The insurance company may choose to bring

1574
01:29:59,695 --> 01:30:03,255
Speaker 16: an action against the owner of the tree, but the

1575
01:30:04,135 --> 01:30:07,095
Speaker 16: owners of proof would be such a they probably wouldn't

1576
01:30:07,135 --> 01:30:08,015
Speaker 16: bother right.

1577
01:30:08,615 --> 01:30:12,055
Speaker 4: So typically, would let's say I'm the owner of the

1578
01:30:12,135 --> 01:30:15,775
Speaker 4: tree and it's caused damage. Would my insurance policy pay

1579
01:30:15,855 --> 01:30:19,255
Speaker 4: out for my neighbour's damage or would the insurance policy

1580
01:30:19,415 --> 01:30:22,295
Speaker 4: held by my neighbor cover that damage? And I wouldn't

1581
01:30:22,295 --> 01:30:23,495
Speaker 4: be held responsible at all?

1582
01:30:24,775 --> 01:30:28,175
Speaker 16: Okay, So there's two aspects. The damage to the property

1583
01:30:28,815 --> 01:30:32,055
Speaker 16: is covered by the property owner whose property is damaged,

1584
01:30:34,015 --> 01:30:39,215
Speaker 16: and this is the big If the tree owner has

1585
01:30:39,335 --> 01:30:43,615
Speaker 16: been negligent, and that's the keyword, has to have been negligent,

1586
01:30:45,655 --> 01:30:48,855
Speaker 16: their policy would cover the illegal liability for damage to

1587
01:30:48,935 --> 01:30:54,855
Speaker 16: other people's property. But proving that negligence is very, very difficult.

1588
01:30:56,855 --> 01:31:00,575
Speaker 4: So you're saying that if they've been negligent, I you know,

1589
01:31:00,655 --> 01:31:02,295
Speaker 4: I look out at my tree. I can see that

1590
01:31:02,415 --> 01:31:05,175
Speaker 4: all of the leaves have fallen off, the branches rotten,

1591
01:31:05,615 --> 01:31:08,295
Speaker 4: and I don't do anything about it. Wind comes blows

1592
01:31:08,535 --> 01:31:11,335
Speaker 4: it over, it damages my neighbor's property. Now I could

1593
01:31:11,375 --> 01:31:15,055
Speaker 4: be seen as being negligent in that instance. You're saying

1594
01:31:15,095 --> 01:31:19,415
Speaker 4: that only if I'm negligent would the insurance policy cover that.

1595
01:31:19,695 --> 01:31:22,415
Speaker 4: If I'm not negligent, it wouldn't cover it. Am I

1596
01:31:22,495 --> 01:31:23,055
Speaker 4: getting that right?

1597
01:31:23,575 --> 01:31:23,615
Speaker 7: No?

1598
01:31:23,975 --> 01:31:24,015
Speaker 15: No.

1599
01:31:24,335 --> 01:31:27,655
Speaker 16: In fact, if you weren't by law, if you weren't negligent,

1600
01:31:27,775 --> 01:31:32,655
Speaker 16: there is no legal liability on you. So it's a

1601
01:31:32,695 --> 01:31:36,015
Speaker 16: bit like running into the back of someone's car. You

1602
01:31:36,095 --> 01:31:38,615
Speaker 16: were legally liable because you're a negligent. The same thing

1603
01:31:38,735 --> 01:31:42,095
Speaker 16: happens with house insurance. You have to have done something wrong.

1604
01:31:42,495 --> 01:31:46,095
Speaker 4: Or no one yes, going to prove that.

1605
01:31:47,775 --> 01:31:51,135
Speaker 16: Fascinating And that's where the insurance companies in trying to

1606
01:31:51,175 --> 01:31:57,455
Speaker 16: bring an action against the neighbor. How do you prove that? Hmm,

1607
01:31:59,015 --> 01:32:00,695
Speaker 16: this is where it becomes difficult.

1608
01:32:02,015 --> 01:32:03,855
Speaker 4: Right, how fascinating?

1609
01:32:04,895 --> 01:32:05,135
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1610
01:32:05,735 --> 01:32:12,295
Speaker 16: And finally ye, good stuff.

1611
01:32:12,375 --> 01:32:16,655
Speaker 4: Actually for people that are unsure what that is translated,

1612
01:32:16,735 --> 01:32:19,135
Speaker 4: that means fight the good fight, which is the motto

1613
01:32:19,335 --> 01:32:21,815
Speaker 4: of De Lacel College, which I presume you're an old

1614
01:32:21,895 --> 01:32:22,215
Speaker 4: boy of.

1615
01:32:23,695 --> 01:32:24,375
Speaker 9: And so.

1616
01:32:26,735 --> 01:32:30,215
Speaker 4: Right, yes, and I was hoping, but I don't think

1617
01:32:30,215 --> 01:32:32,575
Speaker 4: I'm going to make it. There is a mass at

1618
01:32:32,615 --> 01:32:35,415
Speaker 4: ten o'clock in the chapel at de Larcell today to

1619
01:32:35,535 --> 01:32:38,695
Speaker 4: mark the beginning of a new Old Boys Association, and

1620
01:32:38,855 --> 01:32:41,135
Speaker 4: I thought I could get there, but I can't. But

1621
01:32:41,215 --> 01:32:44,175
Speaker 4: I'm I've signed up for the New Old Boys Association

1622
01:32:44,335 --> 01:32:46,175
Speaker 4: and Graham, maybe you'd like to do the same.

1623
01:32:47,295 --> 01:32:50,615
Speaker 16: Yeah, Wellington, So I'm not coming to the mess No fair.

1624
01:32:50,575 --> 01:32:53,415
Speaker 4: Enough to a hey, lovely to talk to you. Take

1625
01:32:53,455 --> 01:32:56,255
Speaker 4: care by then, yes, you can imagine what was like

1626
01:32:56,335 --> 01:32:59,855
Speaker 4: going to a Catholic secondary school with a bottom certain

1627
01:32:59,935 --> 01:33:04,055
Speaker 4: cinema as the as the fight the good fight. We

1628
01:33:05,255 --> 01:33:09,535
Speaker 4: have to say times took that quite literally. It is

1629
01:33:10,855 --> 01:33:13,895
Speaker 4: eighteen let's call it nineteen minutes after eight we'll take

1630
01:33:13,935 --> 01:33:15,775
Speaker 4: a short break. We'll try and squeeze in a couple

1631
01:33:15,855 --> 01:33:17,495
Speaker 4: more calls before we jump into the garden with a

1632
01:33:17,535 --> 01:33:21,375
Speaker 4: rod climb pasta at eight point thirty this morning, I

1633
01:33:21,495 --> 01:33:23,695
Speaker 4: will put in a quick plug for my old school then.

1634
01:33:23,815 --> 01:33:26,295
Speaker 4: So I went to De Lasal College which is in

1635
01:33:26,535 --> 01:33:30,455
Speaker 4: Magari in South Auckland, and in fact I left there

1636
01:33:30,655 --> 01:33:33,735
Speaker 4: in jeep as nineteen eighty four was my last year

1637
01:33:33,775 --> 01:33:37,215
Speaker 4: at school. So any old boys that might be listening,

1638
01:33:37,735 --> 01:33:39,975
Speaker 4: go to social media and have a bit of a

1639
01:33:40,055 --> 01:33:44,215
Speaker 4: search and if you're inclined, there's sort of a rejuvenated

1640
01:33:44,335 --> 01:33:47,815
Speaker 4: Old Boys Association which is being structured at the moment.

1641
01:33:47,975 --> 01:33:50,055
Speaker 4: So like I say, there was a there's going to

1642
01:33:50,095 --> 01:33:52,935
Speaker 4: be mess in the chapel which I can remember being built.

1643
01:33:53,055 --> 01:33:56,655
Speaker 4: I was there at the time, and then morning tea

1644
01:33:56,735 --> 01:33:58,495
Speaker 4: and a get together in a bit of an organization.

1645
01:33:58,615 --> 01:34:01,135
Speaker 4: But you can sign up online like I did this

1646
01:34:01,335 --> 01:34:04,495
Speaker 4: week to be part of the Old Boys Association for

1647
01:34:04,575 --> 01:34:09,135
Speaker 4: Dela Salts and Margli. Let's a couple of last minute calls.

1648
01:34:09,295 --> 01:34:10,575
Speaker 4: Hannah a very good morning.

1649
01:34:11,775 --> 01:34:13,215
Speaker 17: Oh, good morning. How are you going?

1650
01:34:13,375 --> 01:34:15,655
Speaker 4: Very well? Thank you and you good.

1651
01:34:15,735 --> 01:34:16,055
Speaker 9: Thanks.

1652
01:34:16,735 --> 01:34:21,215
Speaker 17: I could give a question about our garage. So we

1653
01:34:21,535 --> 01:34:24,135
Speaker 17: put our house last year. We live on a hill

1654
01:34:24,775 --> 01:34:28,335
Speaker 17: and we've got a garage that technically the house in

1655
01:34:28,415 --> 01:34:31,655
Speaker 17: front of us our neighbor. They're in between our house

1656
01:34:31,735 --> 01:34:34,655
Speaker 17: and our garage. Our garage is a separate title, which

1657
01:34:34,775 --> 01:34:37,855
Speaker 17: is kind of Yeah, it looks like our garage.

1658
01:34:37,575 --> 01:34:38,295
Speaker 5: Is on their property.

1659
01:34:38,415 --> 01:34:41,295
Speaker 17: It is unusual that our house was bold and I

1660
01:34:41,335 --> 01:34:45,535
Speaker 17: guess that they configure it. So the house in front

1661
01:34:45,615 --> 01:34:47,695
Speaker 17: has just been bought, so it was empty when we

1662
01:34:48,015 --> 01:34:52,055
Speaker 17: bought our house. And the garage that we've got there

1663
01:34:52,695 --> 01:34:56,135
Speaker 17: lawn is kind of like it's ended up over the years,

1664
01:34:56,535 --> 01:34:58,855
Speaker 17: pushing into our garage and it's like they're using our

1665
01:34:58,895 --> 01:35:01,735
Speaker 17: garage as a retaining wall. Yes, but it's not a

1666
01:35:01,815 --> 01:35:03,935
Speaker 17: retaining wall. It's just a garage and it's pushing in

1667
01:35:04,215 --> 01:35:07,575
Speaker 17: all the walls of the garage with it, and so

1668
01:35:07,895 --> 01:35:11,455
Speaker 17: we just want to know if it's like our I

1669
01:35:11,535 --> 01:35:13,335
Speaker 17: guess whose responsibility it is to.

1670
01:35:13,415 --> 01:35:14,175
Speaker 9: Move that dirt?

1671
01:35:15,415 --> 01:35:18,535
Speaker 4: Okay. I would imagine that it goes down to where

1672
01:35:18,615 --> 01:35:22,455
Speaker 4: the boundary is, so and I would have thought that

1673
01:35:22,615 --> 01:35:27,295
Speaker 4: unless the garage had a retaining wall designed in it

1674
01:35:27,815 --> 01:35:31,055
Speaker 4: because it's on the boundary, so in terms of fire

1675
01:35:31,135 --> 01:35:35,135
Speaker 4: rating and those sorts of things, you know, I would go,

1676
01:35:35,575 --> 01:35:38,415
Speaker 4: if you know where the boundary pigs are now, and

1677
01:35:38,815 --> 01:35:41,615
Speaker 4: my assumption would be that the boundary would be at

1678
01:35:41,735 --> 01:35:44,375
Speaker 4: least a meter away from the edge of the gag

1679
01:35:44,535 --> 01:35:44,975
Speaker 4: is true.

1680
01:35:45,015 --> 01:35:47,095
Speaker 17: We've seen on the plans that there's actually meant to

1681
01:35:47,175 --> 01:35:49,215
Speaker 17: be a meter around it because there's an old door,

1682
01:35:49,295 --> 01:35:50,695
Speaker 17: so there used to be able to walk into the

1683
01:35:50,735 --> 01:35:54,695
Speaker 17: garage from the side. Okay, but obviously over time someone

1684
01:35:55,295 --> 01:35:58,055
Speaker 17: surely said, oh, this is okay for you to your.

1685
01:35:57,935 --> 01:35:58,975
Speaker 4: Dirty Yeah, that's right.

1686
01:35:59,015 --> 01:36:01,095
Speaker 17: I mean, you know, because it's one hundred and twenty

1687
01:36:01,135 --> 01:36:02,935
Speaker 17: years old, obviously there's a lot of history that we

1688
01:36:03,015 --> 01:36:03,615
Speaker 17: don't know about.

1689
01:36:04,215 --> 01:36:09,295
Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, I think it comes down to the boundary.

1690
01:36:09,415 --> 01:36:12,415
Speaker 4: And then once you've established the boundaries, either by finding

1691
01:36:12,495 --> 01:36:15,335
Speaker 4: the existing legal boundary markers that will either be a

1692
01:36:15,415 --> 01:36:18,135
Speaker 4: boundary peg or a marker in the ground, then you

1693
01:36:18,255 --> 01:36:21,535
Speaker 4: could establish a stringline and say this is where the

1694
01:36:21,575 --> 01:36:25,255
Speaker 4: boundary is. And what you might find is that you

1695
01:36:25,455 --> 01:36:27,855
Speaker 4: then just say to the neighbor, I'm going to remove

1696
01:36:27,935 --> 01:36:32,375
Speaker 4: the soil and return it, or maybe you don't even

1697
01:36:32,415 --> 01:36:34,815
Speaker 4: want to have the argument. Just remove the soil, right,

1698
01:36:35,375 --> 01:36:38,095
Speaker 4: and then you look, it sounds like it's probably a

1699
01:36:38,135 --> 01:36:41,015
Speaker 4: wise idea to then talk to the neighbor about getting

1700
01:36:41,015 --> 01:36:42,975
Speaker 4: a fence built and possibly the.

1701
01:36:42,975 --> 01:36:45,175
Speaker 17: Bottom when we came to us and they did say

1702
01:36:45,255 --> 01:36:47,255
Speaker 17: where you want to build a fence around it? And

1703
01:36:47,335 --> 01:36:49,575
Speaker 17: they didn't even say would you consider selling us?

1704
01:36:50,735 --> 01:36:50,935
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1705
01:36:51,175 --> 01:36:53,415
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's why we kind of just wanted to know,

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01:36:54,255 --> 01:36:57,375
Speaker 17: you know, whose responsibility things are. If we did want

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01:36:57,415 --> 01:37:00,215
Speaker 17: to build a retaining war would that be our responsibility

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01:37:00,255 --> 01:37:03,375
Speaker 17: because it's protecting our garage or their responsibility because it's

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01:37:03,415 --> 01:37:04,295
Speaker 17: retaining the ad dirt.

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01:37:06,935 --> 01:37:09,855
Speaker 4: Well, chances are you could argue that when the garage

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01:37:09,975 --> 01:37:11,855
Speaker 4: was built, the dirt wasn't as high as it was,

1712
01:37:11,975 --> 01:37:14,215
Speaker 4: because then you couldn't have built the garage, right, So

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01:37:14,375 --> 01:37:17,895
Speaker 4: the arrival of the dirt is after the arrival of

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01:37:17,935 --> 01:37:20,375
Speaker 4: the garage, and it was probably put there by the neighbor,

1715
01:37:20,415 --> 01:37:22,175
Speaker 4: but it wouldn't have been put there by this neighbor.

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01:37:22,495 --> 01:37:25,295
Speaker 4: So again it becomes a discussion thing, doesn't it where

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01:37:25,335 --> 01:37:28,055
Speaker 4: you go? Actually, I tell you what, let's both contribute

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01:37:28,095 --> 01:37:29,535
Speaker 4: to the cost of the fence, and you probably have

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01:37:29,655 --> 01:37:32,375
Speaker 4: to do so through the Fencing Act anyway. Then there's

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01:37:32,415 --> 01:37:35,655
Speaker 4: going to be some work involved in retaining which you know,

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01:37:35,775 --> 01:37:38,855
Speaker 4: again would be reasonable to share that cost between both

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01:37:39,215 --> 01:37:41,375
Speaker 4: and maybe you cover the cost of removal of that

1723
01:37:41,575 --> 01:37:45,975
Speaker 4: soil because that's purely for your benefit. It's going to

1724
01:37:46,015 --> 01:37:49,855
Speaker 4: be a discussion. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, have a

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01:37:49,935 --> 01:37:53,775
Speaker 4: great day all of this. You take care all the best,

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01:37:53,815 --> 01:37:56,295
Speaker 4: by Bayh. We're going to try and squeeze in one

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01:37:56,415 --> 01:38:03,055
Speaker 4: really quick call from you, Gwin super quick. Sorry mate, yep.

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01:38:03,175 --> 01:38:05,495
Speaker 14: I was reading an article the other day that was

1729
01:38:05,535 --> 01:38:11,615
Speaker 14: talking about rich fitted insulation and obviously if that insulations

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01:38:11,655 --> 01:38:13,015
Speaker 14: either in celling or under.

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01:38:12,855 --> 01:38:15,455
Speaker 6: Floor, you don't need a building permit, correct.

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01:38:16,295 --> 01:38:20,015
Speaker 14: But if it's in walls you do. And then the

1733
01:38:20,375 --> 01:38:24,015
Speaker 14: issue where if you're putting in sort of like foams

1734
01:38:24,575 --> 01:38:31,415
Speaker 14: or blowing in things into the wall cavity, that insulation

1735
01:38:31,615 --> 01:38:35,855
Speaker 14: may end up either completely filling up what was previously

1736
01:38:36,015 --> 01:38:36,455
Speaker 14: an air.

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01:38:36,375 --> 01:38:39,095
Speaker 15: Cavity, which would obviously help keep it dry.

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01:38:40,175 --> 01:38:46,415
Speaker 14: And then the issue that may cause absorption or retention

1739
01:38:46,655 --> 01:38:51,335
Speaker 14: of moisture in that cavity space and actually perhaps cause

1740
01:38:51,415 --> 01:38:53,495
Speaker 14: more of a problem than what you're actually trying to

1741
01:38:54,215 --> 01:38:58,815
Speaker 14: resolve in that you've got water moisture being whipped from

1742
01:38:58,935 --> 01:39:04,095
Speaker 14: the outside clanning through to inside walls and you could

1743
01:39:04,175 --> 01:39:08,095
Speaker 14: end up with moisture and so wolves mold all that.

1744
01:39:08,495 --> 01:39:10,255
Speaker 5: Then, Yes, I just.

1745
01:39:10,255 --> 01:39:12,535
Speaker 14: Thought it was a very interesting article.

1746
01:39:12,695 --> 01:39:16,695
Speaker 4: And this wasn't the article and stuff this week. Yeah, yeah,

1747
01:39:17,135 --> 01:39:18,655
Speaker 4: I tell you what. I had a look at that,

1748
01:39:18,935 --> 01:39:21,095
Speaker 4: and I actually sent it on to some people for

1749
01:39:21,335 --> 01:39:25,815
Speaker 4: review because some of the claims there are mischievous at

1750
01:39:25,935 --> 01:39:31,295
Speaker 4: best and misleading. So I think you've got to really

1751
01:39:31,375 --> 01:39:34,535
Speaker 4: drill down into the information about that, and particularly some

1752
01:39:34,655 --> 01:39:37,735
Speaker 4: of the comments and claims made in that particular article.

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01:39:37,775 --> 01:39:40,375
Speaker 4: I saw it this week as well, and I'll tell

1754
01:39:40,415 --> 01:39:43,775
Speaker 4: you what the because it mentioned SIPs panels, right, So

1755
01:39:44,335 --> 01:39:46,895
Speaker 4: if I don't know if you're in LinkedIn, go to LinkedIn,

1756
01:39:47,095 --> 01:39:50,695
Speaker 4: go to either Nick Hubbard's page or Formance's page, and

1757
01:39:50,855 --> 01:39:54,655
Speaker 4: they've produced a response to that. If you want to

1758
01:39:54,655 --> 01:39:56,295
Speaker 4: look at it. Maybe we'll pick it up next week

1759
01:39:56,335 --> 01:39:59,175
Speaker 4: on the show. Let's do that, Gwen, thanks very much

1760
01:39:59,215 --> 01:40:01,615
Speaker 4: for your call. We are going to jump into the garden,

1761
01:40:02,695 --> 01:40:08,535
Speaker 4: where it is always peaceful and pleasant. Nothing bad happens

1762
01:40:08,575 --> 01:40:09,375
Speaker 4: in a garden room.

1763
01:40:10,215 --> 01:40:10,415
Speaker 7: Ever.

1764
01:40:11,495 --> 01:40:14,015
Speaker 4: Never nobody eats each other. It takes each other.

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01:40:14,615 --> 01:40:16,215
Speaker 14: That's right to entry.

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01:40:16,735 --> 01:40:20,535
Speaker 4: But I love the best comment was talk to your neighbors.

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01:40:21,855 --> 01:40:22,775
Speaker 2: It's so important to.

1768
01:40:22,815 --> 01:40:26,855
Speaker 4: Make that so easy. Well, right now, I think we

1769
01:40:26,935 --> 01:40:28,375
Speaker 4: need to take a break and then we'll talk to you.

1770
01:40:28,895 --> 01:40:30,655
Speaker 4: All right, let's do it now.

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01:40:34,335 --> 01:40:37,055
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