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Speaker 1: Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Coming up on the show, Keisha Castle Hughes, the actress,

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Speaker 3: on why she joined the fight for people with Marty

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Speaker 3: heritage to have easier access to citizenship, Tikitana the singer

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Speaker 3: on why he's taking his music off Spotify, and Al Gillespie,

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Speaker 3: the law professor, on why the second Gang patch has

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Speaker 2: Mob member Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So Shannon Helbert from the Maori Party doesn't like the

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Speaker 3: fact that Rahweri White said he answered all his media

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Speaker 3: questions about Taku to Ferris and threl. Now, if you

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Speaker 3: haven't caught up on this, this is what happened yesterday

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Speaker 3: when the Maori Party came face to face with the

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Speaker 3: press gallery. It was the first time since Tarku to

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Speaker 3: Feris has doubled down and then tripled down for his

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Speaker 3: anti immigrant comments and then ignored his leader's orders to

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Speaker 3: delete the video. And then the leaders started, by the

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Speaker 3: looks of things, ignoring media requests for interviews. So yesterday,

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Speaker 3: when the media finally had a chance to ask Rawori

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Speaker 3: said it's terell mari Week. And Shannon Helbert from the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party didn't like it because he thinks that Rahwori

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Speaker 3: is creating a quote exclusive bunch of Maori, which is

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Speaker 3: presumably mari who can speak mari and that, by the

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Speaker 3: looks of things, excludes him. Well, tough bickies. If Shannon

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to feel left out, he should go and

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Speaker 3: learn Marii like everyone else who's spending their Wednesday nights

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Speaker 3: in Maori language classes. Look, just for the record, So

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Speaker 3: before you think I'm now on Rahwori side, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that Rahwui is doing this because he's

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Speaker 3: it for some noble reason of celebrating Marii Language Week.

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Speaker 3: That's not what he's doing. But set aside his childishness,

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Speaker 3: he is entitled to speak Marii exclusively if he wants to.

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Speaker 3: It is a national language, the man is fluent in it.

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Speaker 3: If this was a multi lingual European nation instead of

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Speaker 3: predominantly monolingual New Zealand, this would not be a problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean to be fair, I would he probably wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be able to do what he's doing because the press

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Speaker 3: to understand what he's saying. But Shannon's complaint is a

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Speaker 3: uniquely New Zealand complaint, isn't it, which is, don't speak

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Speaker 3: It is really weird for me to hear this from

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Speaker 3: a labor party MP, by the way, and I would

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Speaker 3: encourage Shannon to take up some Mardi language classes with

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Speaker 3: his free time, which there is a lot of. When

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about his free time, there is a lot

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Speaker 3: maybe if there is a silver lining in that Alouady

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Speaker 3: being this juvenile, it is a gentle reminders to the

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Speaker 3: rest of us that if we also don't want to

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Speaker 2: Classes ever do for CL.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two standard techs fees applying now Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: he's arrived in the UK for his second state visit.

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Speaker 3: He's getting the full royal treatment. King Charles is hosting

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Speaker 3: to be a ceremonial welcome and a lavish state banquet

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Speaker 3: and just everything now. Robert Lacey is a royal historian

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Speaker 3: Hi Robert, Hello, Heather. So are they giving him the

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Speaker 3: full royal treatment?

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Speaker 4: Are they absolutely? I mean has already happened. I mean

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Speaker 4: actually to be invited visibly with a letter which he

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Speaker 4: the first time any head of state has ever been invited. Twice,

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Speaker 4: see whether this meeting might not yield something of substance

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Speaker 3: So what do you think? It sounds to me very

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Speaker 3: much like the bank is going to be the highlighte.

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Speaker 4: It'll be one of the highlights. I mean, it's held

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Speaker 4: nearly a thousand years old, Windsor Castle fifty yards long.

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Speaker 4: What's that getting on for the length of the football field.

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Speaker 4: And apparently there are also plans for a carriage drive,

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Speaker 4: not down the mall in London, because there aren't many

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Speaker 4: people who come out to cheer Donald Trump. Most of

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Speaker 4: them would boo him, I'm afraid to say. But it

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Speaker 4: will be in the ground well, in the alternative surroundings

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Speaker 3: Have you heard that he is going to visit the

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Speaker 3: late Queen's grave?

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Speaker 4: This will be one of the most moving moments, I think,

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Speaker 4: and of genuine significance. Donald Trump's mother was Scottish he's

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Speaker 4: using that frankically as part of our modern soft power.

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Speaker 4: And the plan is we are told that he will

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Speaker 4: go into the chapel Windsor Castle and pay tribute to

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Speaker 4: the grave of not just the Queen but Prince Philip,

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Speaker 4: of course predeceased her but lay there waiting for her

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Speaker 4: under the and sentimentality and power will come together at

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Speaker 4: that moment and history as well our longest being monarch ever,

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Speaker 4: the creator of the Commonwealth and of course happy to

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Speaker 3: Robert, How did Britain's feel about about it being laid

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Speaker 2: Well, I think.

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Speaker 4: People realize that we Kirstam was doing a job. I

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Speaker 4: mean the real substance of the meeting will happen at

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Speaker 4: the end. After Windsor he will go off to the

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Speaker 4: President Trump and will maybe it's just President Trump and

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Speaker 4: Kirstam will go off and do the solid business of

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Speaker 4: the trip at Checkers, which is the country home of

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister, and there they will actually sit down

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Speaker 4: and talk about things like Ukraine, maybe Palestine, Gaza, who knows.

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Speaker 4: Certainly things are tariffs that matter to us. So Britain's

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Speaker 4: realize this is the sort of thing that has to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely hate Robert, Thank you very much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: That's Robert Lacey, royal historian and consultant to the Netflix

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Speaker 3: show The Crown. What Starma is after apparently is now

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Speaker 3: just a reasonable deal on the steel tariffs. So he

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Speaker 3: And that is now looking like a good deal because

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Speaker 3: projected a video montage of images of Donald Trump and

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Speaker 3: It included the president's mugshot. It included portraits of Epstein,

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Speaker 3: dancing together. The group behind it is a group called

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Speaker 3: led by Dons, and they are getting to be a

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Speaker 3: Heather, I was really starting to like you in your program.

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Speaker 3: But are you seriously saying that we should all learn

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Speaker 3: Marty so we can understand that radical nutcase? Jeez?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Why not?

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Speaker 3: John? I mean, did you not look?

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Speaker 7: Look?

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm going to be able to protect

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Speaker 3: the answer this question. I looked at them. Did you

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Speaker 3: not look at it last night and see that happening

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Speaker 3: and think, jeez, it's only a matter of time and

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Speaker 3: maybe one hundred years before everybody can speak Marty. Was

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Speaker 3: that not your reaction? That was my I thought, if

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Speaker 3: you're seeing this now, you wouldn't seen this on the

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Speaker 3: forty years from now, one hundred years from now, everybody

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Speaker 3: will be able to eighteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with me, Hello, Darce.

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Speaker 8: Protadly, the worst thing to happen to the nation.

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Speaker 3: Is it to be able to speak more than one language.

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Speaker 3: Feels to me we should have been pretty stoked about that.

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Speaker 3: Now NPC is going to be full of all blacks

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Speaker 3: this weekend, yet.

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Speaker 8: Not full enough of my humble opinion, Send them all

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Speaker 8: back to the NPC.

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Speaker 9: Go and learn how to run past catch, to fuse

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Speaker 9: a high ball and follow a master plan. Go on

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Speaker 9: kill an idea that might be a bit extreme for

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Speaker 9: some people. But one of the guys that's coming back

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Speaker 9: is a very very rare gem in rugby and all blacks,

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Speaker 9: it's called a halfback. We haven't got many of those.

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Speaker 3: We do have.

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Speaker 9: They just kind of break down or they got a

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Speaker 9: hot hand hote them.

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Speaker 8: Last week. I feel so sorry for him. How long

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Speaker 8: did he last? Ten minutes? Oh? My lord?

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Speaker 9: So cameroy Guard's back can planning for counties Manico. Absolutely

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Speaker 9: he is, and all things going well and go. I'll

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Speaker 9: be talking to him tonight up after seven o'clock about

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Speaker 9: the time spent waiting, what he's done, how happy he

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Speaker 9: is with how he's surviving his injury, because it must

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Speaker 9: be really stressful for players when they go back onto

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Speaker 9: the park again after coming.

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Speaker 8: Through an injury. Going and I still trusting of this?

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Speaker 8: Is this still? Is this still?

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Speaker 9: I'd actually like to talk to him about stock cars

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Speaker 9: and saloon cars because he likes over racing and dirt.

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Speaker 9: But I don't think that listeners will be too pleased.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, with a rugby player who loves his

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Speaker 8: stock cars. But I'm talking with there's a number of players.

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Speaker 3: But if he's back at the NBC this weekend, that

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Speaker 3: means that he will be selected for the game against

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Speaker 3: the Wallabies the following.

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Speaker 9: One would think so, providing he comes through it. Okay,

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Speaker 9: So that's that's great. What about what about Hamish car?

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, he's more than good, He's great. He is

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Speaker 9: one of the greatest. I set up last night until

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Speaker 9: one thirty in the morning watching the coverage of their

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Speaker 9: I eventually passed out and it was quarter past have

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Speaker 9: were still five or six guys jumping. I was like,

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Speaker 9: this is ridiculous, this is too late. And I thought

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Speaker 9: i'd have that my cup at eight A clar what happened?

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Speaker 9: And I saw it before.

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Speaker 3: and five o'clock, Keisha Castle Hughes I will explain.

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Speaker 3: Let me get you up to speed with way. Keisha

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 10: Tell them about you.

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Speaker 15: Well, he appeared by video and there's a lot of

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Speaker 15: from this particular case. So therefore no terrorism charge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do yourinckon. Trump's going to cut some deals with Stama.

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Speaker 15: Well, he wanted to cut deals, right, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 15: look the whole reason, as you know, the Brits decided

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Speaker 15: to have him back. Trump back for a second unprecedented

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Speaker 15: Steed Visit was in their hopes that by buttering him

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Speaker 15: up they would get a better deal when it comes

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Speaker 15: to trade and tariffs, and Trump is planning to have

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Speaker 15: some signing of agreements along the lines of high tech

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Speaker 15: and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 15: Trump likes to be treated like a monarch, so it's

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Speaker 15: kind of a meeting of monarchs, if you will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one way of looking at it. Charles, Thanks

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Speaker 3: very much, Charles Beeldtman, you is correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Either Dup c Ellen Hither.

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Speaker 3: I'm still trying to get our money from Bloody Drake

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Speaker 3: canceling lord. That was months ago. Okay, two to five days.

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Speaker 3: We'll see about that with old snoop. So here are

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Speaker 3: the text messages, and what you'll find remarkable about it

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Speaker 3: if you react the same way that I did, is

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Speaker 3: just how as Charles said, how matter of fact he

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Speaker 3: is about the thing that he's just done, which is

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Speaker 3: allegedly kill a man. So he missed which his roommate

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Speaker 3: is his transgender lover. Right, He messages his roommate says,

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Speaker 3: drop what you're looking. Look under my keyboard. Roommate looks

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Speaker 3: under the keyboard, finds a note It says I had

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do it. After reading the note, the roommate then

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Speaker 3: texts back, says, are you joking as in what exclamation exclamation, exclamation,

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Speaker 3: explanation You're joking, right, exclamation exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. He takes back,

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Speaker 3: I am still okay, my love, but I am stuck

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Speaker 3: in Auham for a little while longer yet shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: long until I can come home. But I got to

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Speaker 3: grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped

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Speaker 3: to keep this secret till I died of old age.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to involve you. Roommate says you weren't the

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Speaker 3: one who did it right. Plenty of exclamation question marks thereafter.

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Speaker 3: Robinson says back, I am, I'm sorry. Roommate says I

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Speaker 3: thought they caught the person. Robinson says no, they grabbed

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Speaker 3: some crazy old dudes then interrogated someone in similar clothing.

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Speaker 3: I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop

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Speaker 3: points shortly after, but most of that side of town

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Speaker 3: got locked down. It's quiet all my enough to get out,

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Speaker 3: but there's one vehicle lingering. Presumably it's a police vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Roommates says why. Robinson says, why did I do it?

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Speaker 3: Roommates says yeah. Robinson says I had enough of his hatred.

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Speaker 3: Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to

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Speaker 3: grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.

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Speaker 3: Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully, they have

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Speaker 3: moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it

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Speaker 3: Isn't that just so weird? Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certady very so for senior political correspondence with US Hallo, Barry,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Heather So. Has Nichola Will has been asked

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Speaker 3: about the GDP?

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Speaker 14: No, she was well, she was asked about it in parliament.

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Speaker 14: Was the indication was that the economy is not doing

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Speaker 14: what it should be.

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Speaker 3: Doing because the numbers coming out tomorrow.

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Speaker 14: The GDP number is coming out tomorrow, but it covers

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Speaker 14: April to June, so it's well out. It's way back.

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Speaker 14: You've got to say economists and anticipate a contraction in

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Speaker 14: the economy. Forecasts fall between zero point three and zero

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Speaker 14: point five percent. It should be remembered though, that that

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Speaker 14: followed a zero point eight percent at the beginning of

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Speaker 14: the year. So we started off quite positively and then

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Speaker 14: started going downhill. And this one is not going to

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Speaker 14: be good news. And you'd have to say the finance

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Speaker 14: ministers it pained to emphasize that tomorrow's number is not

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Speaker 14: going to be a good one. Nikola Will has told

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Speaker 14: Parliament this afternoon. It's important to put the figure into

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Speaker 14: some sort of perspective though.

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Speaker 6: This is a good example of backward looking data. The

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Speaker 6: second quarter started on the first of April, before the

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Speaker 6: Liberation Day tariff announcements, think the biggest hit to trade

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Speaker 6: openness since the nineteen thirties, and we are now only

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Speaker 6: a couple of weeks away from the fourth quarter. Peering

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Speaker 6: in the rear view mirror, forecasters are picking a negative

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Speaker 6: number for growth in Q two, somewhere between negative zero

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Speaker 6: points three percent to negative zero point five percent.

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Speaker 14: So not going to be good. She's certainly softening the blow,

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Speaker 14: there's no doubt about that. But she did say that

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Speaker 14: she believes now the court we're in at the moment

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Speaker 14: will be plus zero point five percent with the final

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Speaker 14: quarter of this year. So she said this publicly just

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Speaker 14: under one percent. So one can only hope the economy

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Speaker 14: is turning the corner, and we see the trade deficit

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Speaker 14: today was quite minimal compared to what it has been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she's obviously feeling sensitive about it because those

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Speaker 3: that poll that came out yesterday, yep, was that you know,

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Speaker 3: she and the current government are copying the blame.

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Speaker 14: For this they are copying.

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Speaker 3: The blame Parens vote is a concern, all right. So

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Speaker 3: Shane Jones has been elected to a position that probably

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Speaker 3: all of us assumed he had anyway.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't think we've even thought about a deputy

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Speaker 14: Leader of New Zealand first. I mean it's dominated so

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Speaker 14: much by Winston Peter.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't Ron Mark the deputy once?

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Speaker 14: Yes, he was, although they wanted to be deputy, although

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Speaker 14: I remember he wanted to be leader, that's right.

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Speaker 8: I think he was deputy.

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Speaker 14: Fletcher Tabatau, he was deputy between seventeen and twenty when

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Speaker 14: they first went into coalition with the Labor Party. So

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Speaker 14: it's an interesting one and I think what it does

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Speaker 14: is it could signal two things. One to Stuart Nash,

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Speaker 14: who's clearly wanted to enter the New Zealand First fray

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Speaker 14: and will no doubt be nominated as a candidate somewhere

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Speaker 14: along the track.

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Speaker 3: Well it's telling him Shane Stillson, that's.

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Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, that's right. The other thing it could indicate

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Speaker 14: is that Winston Peters is considering his own retirement, although

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Speaker 14: I wouldn't put any money on that at all. I

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Speaker 14: mean he might be eighty, but as an octagenarian Winston

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Speaker 14: performs still pretty well. He's a good foreign minister and

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Speaker 14: I think he quite likes the job and he will want,

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Speaker 14: i think probably to run again next year of his

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Speaker 14: healthholds up, and it looks as though it's holding up.

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Speaker 3: My question not why if he was prepared to hand

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Speaker 3: it out to others beforehand, like Fletcher and Ron, why

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Speaker 3: he made Shane work so bloody hard for it. He

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Speaker 3: because they've been deputyless this entire term.

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Speaker 14: Well, nobody noticed though that that's the thing. And look,

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Speaker 14: Shane Jones is a performer. I think he's one of

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Speaker 14: the better performers in Parliament. He hits the nail on

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Speaker 14: the head. He might get up the back of many,

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Speaker 14: but he's a very good orator and I think is

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Speaker 14: a very colorful member of New Zealand first. And they

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Speaker 14: could do worse in appointing him as the leader. After

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Speaker 14: Winston finally calls it quit.

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Speaker 3: So has National got in trouble for making the announcements

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Speaker 3: of announcers? Oh well, they are wont to do well

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Speaker 3: this This.

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Speaker 14: Gave me a fit of dejacuvous, I've got to say, though.

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Speaker 14: It was a case of the pot calling the kettle

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Speaker 14: Black when Chris Hopkins went after the government for making

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Speaker 14: announcements of an announcement, Labor made an art form of that.

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Speaker 14: You'll remember when it was in government in its own

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Speaker 14: right and we were constantly talking about it on this program.

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Speaker 14: Still Trippy seems to have a short memory because he

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Speaker 14: was pointing the finger at Chris Luxen for doing exactly

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Speaker 14: the same thing here.

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Speaker 3: He is he's more interested in announcements than actually funding

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Speaker 3: and delivering the infrastructure that New Zealand needs.

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Speaker 17: A crocodile tears.

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Speaker 8: Crocodile tears were.

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Speaker 17: Trying to gaslight the nation here.

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Speaker 1: Let's just be clear.

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Speaker 8: You crashed the joint. You didn't deliver anything.

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Speaker 18: It's incredibly disappointing after six years, three years with an

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Speaker 18: absoute jot, you did so very very little.

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Speaker 5: South d Seywall.

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Speaker 18: Is the government committed to construction projects that are actually

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Speaker 18: constructed or is there any circumstance where it would ever

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Speaker 18: content itself with announcing bike bridges and light rail that

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Speaker 18: doesn't get built for.

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Speaker 8: Years and years and years.

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Speaker 17: We have real projects, not phantom projects.

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Speaker 14: I'll tell you that baby Boomer's bike to Berken here.

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Speaker 14: We will never forget that. I mean, I think they

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Speaker 14: spent what fifty million dollars on that, and we're still

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Speaker 14: waiting on the bike bridge to Burken here.

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Speaker 3: I think we're still waiting for an idea quite as

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Speaker 3: stupid as that. Thank you, Barry, exactly appreciate it. Barry

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Speaker 3: So for Senior political correspondent eight away from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: To big aviation action plan.

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Speaker 2: James Megas, the Associate Minister of Transport. Is this a fix,

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Speaker 2: a revolution or a bit.

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Speaker 19: Of a prot It'll fix some issues, but it also

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Speaker 19: a little bit future looking about advanced aviation, how do

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Speaker 19: we get bitter use out of drones?

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Speaker 2: What's the hole up with pilots that people don't want

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Speaker 2: to be a pilot? Is it too expensive?

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Speaker 8: And what's going on again to a.

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Speaker 2: Mix of both.

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Speaker 19: It is quite expensive to be a pilot, about one

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Speaker 19: hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to

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Speaker 19: train here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Somebody, Tommy, there's a loan cap on training to be

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Speaker 2: a pilot. Is that true?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, there is some statistics that showed that it took

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Speaker 19: quite a while.

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Speaker 11: For those bones to be paid back and the industry

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Speaker 11: has called for that to be looked at and that

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Speaker 11: is part of the action plan.

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Speaker 4: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 4: Rain Drover News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 3: Listen a couple of things I need to get you

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Speaker 3: up to date on because we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: this in the next hour. Tikitane is a bunch of

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Speaker 3: group amongst a group of artists in New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: around the world actually who are leaving Spotify and because

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Speaker 3: they're not happy with Spotify the amount of money Spotify

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Speaker 3: is paying them to use their music. Apparently, every time

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Speaker 3: you stream a Tikitane song, he gets one twentieth of

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Speaker 3: a New Zealand cent, so you have to stream the

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Speaker 3: song twenty times just for him to get one cent.

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Speaker 3: His song Always on My Mind, which is as big

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Speaker 3: as tune he's made in the history of that song,

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Speaker 3: He's made seventy six dollars of Spotify. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to him about it in about twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: We have a second case by the way of a

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Speaker 3: judge ordering police to give among roal Mob member the

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Speaker 3: patch back. Chap's name is sid Terata. He was cons

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Speaker 3: he had his patch confiscated. He was riding his motorbike

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the night in Lower Hut and

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Speaker 3: the cops pulled him over. Then he was abusive towards

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Speaker 3: the cops. He refused a breath test, refused a blood test,

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Speaker 3: didn't have a motorbike license, went he had patch taken

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Speaker 3: off him. Then it went to court. The judge found

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Speaker 3: because he was riding in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't causing public disorder and because he was going

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Speaker 3: home from a tonguey he would have been tired and emotional.

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Speaker 3: So as a result, the judge accepted that that sid

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Speaker 3: had just made a mistake, and the judge has ordered

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Speaker 3: the cops to give the patch back, which I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure is kind of what we expected when we started

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Speaker 3: confiscating the patches. Anyway, el Gillespie warned about this happening.

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Speaker 3: Unless the law is changed to basically say the patches

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Speaker 3: have to be destroyed, this will continue to happen. So

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Speaker 3: he's going to talk us through all of this when

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Speaker 3: he's with us. After half bus five. Kesha Castle hughes

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Speaker 3: next with us on why anybody who fucking up as

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Speaker 3: Maori should have the ability to pass on citizenship to

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Speaker 3: their kids. Newstalks 'db space from a super latual flue,

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Speaker 3: Mister trick flood.

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Speaker 1: Ivenly Venue, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duper zell and Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: to coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, we have yet another urgent white tonguey Tribunal hearing,

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Speaker 3: this time challenging where the Maori born overseas and their

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Speaker 3: kids born overseas have an automatic right to citizenship in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, even in cases where others would not be

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Speaker 3: entitled to it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The claim was brought by John Ruddick. We've spoken to

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Speaker 3: him on this show, and it was supported by the

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Speaker 3: actress Keisha Castle Hughes, who's been there for the past

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Speaker 3: two days. Keisha, Hello, cure to Heather, So what happened

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Speaker 3: with you? Is it that your daughter didn't automatically get

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Speaker 3: citizenship because both you and she were born overseas?

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Speaker 11: Yes, that is correct. So because I was born overseas

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Speaker 11: to a Mary mother and an Australian father, I have

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Speaker 11: citizenship by descent, and as it currently stands, once you

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Speaker 11: have citizenships by descent, you can't pass that on to

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Speaker 11: your tamariki unless you're tamariki born in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: And so then you came back here, did you try

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Speaker 3: to apply citizenship? Apply for citizenship here for her?

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Speaker 11: Initially I applied for a passport when my daughter was

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Speaker 11: born in twenty twenty one, and that was the first

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Speaker 11: kind of instance that I was I realized that she

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Speaker 11: didn't have an access way to citizenship. And then from

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Speaker 11: there it's been a very long winding road with the

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Speaker 11: Department of Internal Affairs and she's now almost four and

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Speaker 11: a half and we've just three weeks ago and granted

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Speaker 11: her New Zealand citizenship.

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Speaker 3: And is that because the minister intervened?

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Speaker 11: Yes, that was because the minister intervened.

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Speaker 3: I believe Why did the minister have to intervene? Like

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Speaker 3: could you would? Was there not a pathway for you

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Speaker 3: where you would simply go through the same process as

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Speaker 3: anybody else applying for citizenship, waiting the five years and

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Speaker 3: then getting it.

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Speaker 11: The petition to the minister is a pathway. So that

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Speaker 11: was the pathway that I was on. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 11: at the minister's discretion. However, there's not there's no timeline.

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Speaker 11: There is no timeline to that, yeah, as it's kind

708
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Speaker 11: of a case by case situation. But the reason that

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Speaker 11: I had other MP's reach out to the minister directly

710
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Speaker 11: because we were on a tricky time crunch because we

711
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Speaker 11: had relocated back to New Zealand and my daughter was

712
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Speaker 11: a New Zealand on a tourist fever. So I only

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Speaker 11: had a limit of time that she'd be able to

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Speaker 11: be in the kind of well.

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Speaker 3: I see, okay. So had it been in other circumstances,

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Speaker 3: you would have been able to follow the normal part, Like,

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Speaker 3: it's not like she's cut off altogether, right, she would

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Speaker 3: have eventually been able to get citizenship.

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Speaker 11: No, she didn't have She had no direct pathway to citizenship.

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Speaker 11: So there is because there's no pathway for citizens of

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Speaker 11: descent for their children unless their children are born in

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Speaker 11: New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Oh I see okay. Now, so what is your argument

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Speaker 3: to the Tribunally You basically argue that tongue a defena

725
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Speaker 3: would deserve special access to citizenship, not.

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Speaker 11: Necessarily special access. But there's not there's not clear verb

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Speaker 11: it within the submission as it currently stands that fucker

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Speaker 11: puppa pathways that there is an acces know, there's not

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Speaker 11: a way to quantify a fucker papa pathway, and so

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Speaker 11: it's you know, there's there's some there's some parts of

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Speaker 11: the direct petition in which you can submit documentation about

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Speaker 11: familial ties slash fucker pappa. However, there's not really anything

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Speaker 11: that's specific to being Mary or being tongue at t Fena.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So so you're argue, is you just correct me

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Speaker 3: if I'm wrong here? This is not being able to

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Speaker 3: argue familial ties for any ethnicity that is currently in

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Speaker 3: the country. Is it just for Maori that you're arguing?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: And you know, and to be clear that I was

742
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Speaker 11: giving evidence another claimants urgent case just because we had

743
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Speaker 11: a similar situation that he's going through and they asked

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Speaker 11: to give evidence, and the reason being because for me

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Speaker 11: as a mama and for my daughter who is Tanua

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Speaker 11: to Fenoa, there were genuine implications in terms of her

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Speaker 11: not being able to live in New Zealand, go to

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Speaker 11: school without paying international school fees, receive healthcare, and also

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Speaker 11: too as Tongue to Fenoa. In my opinion is that

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Speaker 11: in Altedo is the only place that as Maori we

751
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Speaker 11: can be Mary you know, you're Maori everywhere. But it's

752
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Speaker 11: the only place that she can go to, Cokopapa, that

753
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Speaker 11: she can go to Coungay, all that she can participate

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Speaker 11: in life as Hangena in that capacity, and that wasn't

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Speaker 11: looking like it was going to be a possibility.

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Speaker 3: Keisha, thanks for talking to us. Appreciate a Keisha Castle

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Speaker 3: Hugh's actress. Ever, duz La Okay China's ambassadors accusing our

758
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Speaker 3: spies of harassing a Chinese citizen at the border, he

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Speaker 3: says the sis questioned the man without cause and then

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Speaker 3: confiscated his devices, some of them he hasn't been able

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Speaker 3: to get back yet. ISAs Minister Judith Collins, though, says

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has the right to protect its own borders.

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Speaker 3: John Battersby is a security expert and teaching fellow at

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Speaker 3: Massive University and with us. Hello John, Hello, what do

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Speaker 3: you think has gone on here?

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Speaker 20: I don't think too much has gone on here. I

767
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Speaker 20: think the Minister's correct. New Zealand has the right to

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Speaker 20: protect its borders from any number of risk that sees.

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Speaker 20: It could be biosecurity, it could be organized crime, it

770
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Speaker 20: could could be anything. So we've got the right to

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Speaker 20: do that, and clearly that's what our agencies were doing

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Speaker 20: on this partecular occasion. I'm surprised a little bit that

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Speaker 20: the Embassy has made at public that somebody was stopped

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Speaker 20: and questioned. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen to everybody,

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Speaker 20: but it would happen feely, routinely in a number of countries.

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Speaker 20: Older thoughts, So I think it's a little bit more

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Speaker 20: than it needs to be need to be fair.

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Speaker 3: What do you think then, is going on here? Is

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Speaker 3: this a sign of increasing tensions between New Zealand and China?

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Speaker 3: Like stuff that they would normally let slip they are

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Speaker 3: not going to tolerate.

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Speaker 20: I think there seems to be a little bit of

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Speaker 20: surface level tension going on. At the moment, there was

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Speaker 20: the threatened environment assessment, the Chorney's to know all about that,

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Speaker 20: and then this has sort of come in. So, yes,

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Speaker 20: a little bit of surface level tension. China is our

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Speaker 20: strongest export market, it's our largest trading partner. We are friends,

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Speaker 20: we are not enemies. So I would say surface level

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Speaker 20: tension and likely to be dissipated as long as nobody

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Speaker 20: makes eating more of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, Hey, John, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 17: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: John Battersby security expert in teaching fellow at Massive.

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Speaker 2: University, Heather Dupless. The the Ugly.

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Speaker 3: Bridge situation in Wellington has gone from one extreme to

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Speaker 3: the other. So just the other day they had it

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Speaker 3: barricaded off and they were about to blow the thing

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Speaker 3: up and get rid of it and demolish it would

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Speaker 3: not be there anymore. And now after they halted that

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Speaker 3: on account of the fact that the government's bringing out

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Speaker 3: its earthquake wher it's review of the earthquake standards by

802
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Speaker 3: the end of the month and maybe it'll save the bridge.

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Speaker 3: On account of that. Now the bridge it's gone from

804
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Speaker 3: being basically demolished to being renovated. So the Council's chief

805
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Speaker 3: operating Officer, James Roberts, has emailed the counselors saying they

806
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Speaker 3: have to do some maintenance because they've been postponing it

807
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Speaker 3: for the last few years. And they're going to do

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Speaker 3: some work on the Civic Square precinct because they're going

809
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Speaker 3: to reopen it in March, and while they're doing work there,

810
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Speaker 3: they may as well do work on the bridge as well,

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Speaker 3: which is to say, I think all of this you

812
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Speaker 3: could join the dots here, can't you, which is that

813
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Speaker 3: the bridge is staying. I feel like they already know

814
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Speaker 3: that those earthquake standards are going to save that hideous bridge,

815
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Speaker 3: So it's unfortunate. I mean, I'm happy for Wellington that

816
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Speaker 3: it gets to save money because the demolition was going

817
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Speaker 3: to cost a lot, But I am sad for Wellington

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Speaker 3: that it has to live with this bridge for much longer,

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Speaker 3: which is any day is too long? Isn't it quarter past?

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Speaker 3: Prepared to be blown away? Because this is the Aussie

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Speaker 3: Charaz Bay of the year and it's available right now

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Speaker 3: at the Good Wine Co. Wine is called Batch number

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Speaker 3: six Old Vine Barossa Valley Charaz twenty twenty two. This

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Speaker 3: is only the sixth release in the last decade under

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Speaker 3: the Batch label, and as before, the true name of

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Speaker 3: the award winning brand and wine maker must be kept

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Speaker 3: under wraps. But what we can say is due to

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Speaker 3: the current global economic slow down, a parcel of very

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Speaker 3: high quality old vine single vineyard Charaz from the Barrossa

830
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Speaker 3: Valley needed a new home and it's now up for grabs.

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Speaker 3: Add an insane seventeen ninety nine per bottle. It's from

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Speaker 3: a high quality twenty twenty two vintage using old fine

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Speaker 3: fruit from a single vineyard planted in the Barossa Valley

834
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Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties, and it's produced by an award

835
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Speaker 3: winning veteran winemaker of twenty plus vintages in South Australia.

836
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Speaker 3: Now we can't reveal the wine's true value on air.

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Speaker 3: Full details are on the website, but at just seventeen

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Speaker 3: ninety nine you are getting one hell of a bottle

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Speaker 3: of red with all of the trimmings and then some.

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Speaker 3: So order now and your page just one dollar per

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Speaker 3: case delivery to your door nationwide. Conditions apply. Order right

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Speaker 3: now on eight hundred double six two double six to

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Speaker 3: two or online at the good one dot co dot

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Speaker 3: in z.

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Speaker 2: Together do for c Ellen youson man.

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Speaker 3: Right nineteen past five. Now Here we musicians are joining

847
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Speaker 3: the boycott of Spotify and quitting the platform, pulling all

848
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Speaker 3: their music off it. They say they're not getting paid

849
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Speaker 3: nearly enough for their art. Tikitane is one of the

850
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Speaker 3: musicians and with us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tikei Currea, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, I'm well, Thank you mate. Now is it Jay?

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Speaker 3: Is it true you've only got seventy six dollars since

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Speaker 3: you put always on my mind on the platform, that's

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Speaker 3: all you've ever got.

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Speaker 13: No where hear that from.

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Speaker 3: Oh my producer told me that. Is he telling me

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Speaker 3: fibbs seventy six?

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Speaker 12: No, like, it's it done twenty seven million streams. So

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Speaker 12: that works out to be one hundred and eight thousand dollars.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's not bad, it's not bad.

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Speaker 12: But then that's fourteen years. And then you've got to

863
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 12: take away twenty percent for the aggregator in the accounting,

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Speaker 12: so that takes down about eighty seven thousand. Then you've

865
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Speaker 12: got to pay tax on that thirty three percent, so

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Speaker 12: that's around fifty seven thousand. So round fifty seven thousand

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Speaker 12: dollars on my mind as maybe in the fourteen years, it's.

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Speaker 3: Been honest, it's not enough to live off, is it not?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 12: But that's not the point. The point is the platform

871
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Speaker 12: is rotten, it's corrupt, it's greedy, and they're investing in

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Speaker 12: war tech and it's just not a good place to be.

873
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 3: So why are you actually boycotting? Are you boycotting because

874
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: of all the stuff or is it because of the money.

875
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 7: Absolutely?

876
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 12: Absolutely, Look, there's about ten reasons why, and I could

877
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 12: talk to you for an hour about it if you like.

878
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 12: But to cut it down, I love music, I love

879
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 12: creating music, but I also have to take a stand

880
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 12: against corruption, against greed, against war, against murder. So that

881
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 12: the easiest thing for me to do to help support

882
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 12: that is to take my music off this platform and

883
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 12: cancel my subscription and look for platforms that are transparent,

884
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 12: are fear, and align more of my vibe.

885
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: Are you not worried though, that there will be a

886
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: whole bunch of people who will never hear of you

887
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: and enjoy your music and then spend money coming to

888
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: see you because they because you will use Spotify.

889
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 12: No, well, that's the thing. It's you think you will

890
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 12: use Spotify, but there's actually a whole culture out there

891
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 12: who are anti Spotify. My music's on about nine platforms

892
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 12: and it's doing great on all these other platforms that

893
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 12: you just never hear about it, and these other platforms.

894
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 12: These other platforms pay way better, Like title plays four

895
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 12: times more than Spotify.

896
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: Title.

897
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 12: I'm on YouTube Music, Apple Music, I'm on band Camp,

898
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 12: on SoundCloud, I'm on Deezer. It's just there's so many more.

899
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 12: Plus I'm looking at other platforms that are really cool

900
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 12: to starting up like Coder. There's also q put. There's

901
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 12: also another great one. It's it's called subvert music. So

902
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 12: these amazing platforms out there who actually care about music,

903
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 12: care about artists, and who want to have a fear

904
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 12: transparence system.

905
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: Brilliant. Okay, so you can actually make enough to live off? Yes, absolutely,

906
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: just not that Spotify.

907
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 12: No, you can. It depends what everyone's different. This is

908
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 12: a complex situation for everybody. For me, I Spotify just

909
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 12: makes up like a tiny piece of the pie, you

910
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 12: know what I mean.

911
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: So I've got.

912
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 12: Income coming from playing live, mentoring my you know, the

913
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 12: music I make for films, the publishing, doing sound for

914
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 12: shape Shifter, or so many different sections and income revenue

915
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 12: coming from these different places. Now, if you're an artist

916
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 12: that solely relies on Spotify, then it's going to be

917
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 12: really hard for them to leave. So there's going to

918
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 12: be a big backing for them. So for me, I've

919
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 12: spent years building up to this point, building all these

920
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 12: other platforms up my website, and so now's the time

921
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 12: I'm so ready to take my music off and it's

922
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 12: super liberating. It feels good.

923
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: Good stuff, man, Listen, thank you so much for talking

924
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: us through. That's Tekana Keywa musician. Right. Let's deal next

925
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: with there some discussion about the citizenship five two.

926
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Speaker 1: Today's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

927
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: with One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile

928
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: news songs the B five.

929
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Speaker 3: Twenty five look, I have some some but for the

930
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: fact that Keisha and John, whose claim she is supporting

931
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: at the White Tonguy Tribunal, are disappointed that their children

932
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: don't automatically qualify as citizens of New Zealand given that

933
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Speaker 3: they're Maori and therefore clearly descended from this land. But

934
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: New Zealand cannot start handing out citizenship automatically to anyone

935
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: who can prove Maori descent. Set aside the fact that

936
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: we should never give special citizenship rights to an ethnic group,

937
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: to one ethnic group and not to others, because that

938
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: is the pathway to all kinds of trouble. We simply

939
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: can't afford this financially. Already, nearly a million of us

940
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: fucker Papa marii as at the last census, right, that's

941
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: twenty percent of the population or thereabouts. That proportion is

942
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: only going to grow with each passing generation, and as

943
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: generations go on, heaps those kids will move overseas like

944
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: our kids do now, generation after generation. We already have

945
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: the second biggest diaspora in the developed world per capita,

946
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: and that number will also only grow, which means that theoretically,

947
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: and a few generations, we could have millions and millions

948
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: of people out there with Australian accents and American accents,

949
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: and Irish accents and English accents who can prove that

950
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: they fuck upup a mari and could at any point

951
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: if we change the rules, get citizenship to New Zealand.

952
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: Now that's not a problem if they live somewhere like

953
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: Australia with a generous, generous health system. But what if

954
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: they live in the States, where healthcare is expensive. They could,

955
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: like any New Zealand citizen who lives in Irelands already,

956
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: come back here for their health care, get it for free,

957
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: paid for by the New Zealand taxpayer, and then go

958
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: off home to the US. They could send their kids

959
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: back here for free university study, then go back home

960
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: to wherever and never repay the debt. Yet another burden

961
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: for the New Zealand taxpayer. Limits on descendants claiming citizenship

962
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: are not outrageous. Many countries already do this. My grandmother

963
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: was German, so my dad could claim German citizenship. But

964
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: when I you know, even though I fuck up up

965
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: to Germany, I can't claim German citizenship. The rules do

966
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: not allow it. We have these rules for a reason.

967
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: If we change them, we change them for everybody who

968
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: fuck up up is to New Zealand, not just for Mari.

969
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: But we shouldn't change them because it could be incredibly expensive,

970
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 3: a duplicy Ellen ministers have already shot down this idea.

971
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: Here's David Seymour.

972
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Speaker 18: So yeah, look, I think Keisha Karshill Hughes Frankly should

973
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 18: stick to whale riding. I mean, the problem is that

974
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 18: we are all New Zealanders. We all have the same rights.

975
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: Before the law Heather put a generational two limit. We

976
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: already have a generational two limit. That is the problem

977
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 3: here anyway. I mean, I mean you could probably guess

978
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: how the white tonguey Tribunal is going to go on this,

979
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: and it's just going to be ignored. Anyway. We'll punt

980
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: it to the huddle in just a minute. We have

981
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: got a case, by the way of another judge giving

982
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: another gang patch back to another mongrel mob member. And

983
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: we're going to deal with that with Elgaly Spinex news talks,

984
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: they'd be just.

985
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: For you person over again. The name you trust to

986
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: get the answers you need, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

987
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand coverage like no one else us talk.

988
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 15: They'd be.

989
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: Heather.

990
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: Could you ask whether Laura of the German's baby would

991
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: get automatic German citizenship? And would it? Maybe it does, Yes,

992
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: Laura's children get automatic citizenship. She applies for it if

993
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: they're borne overseas because she is a citizen. But their

994
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: children don't automatically get Oh, you know, like it doesn't

995
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: you can't. It's like same same for me. My grandmother

996
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: was German, can get I can't get it unless my

997
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: dad was German. And I don't think he was German

998
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: in the end. I think he just got a bit

999
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: lazy there and didn't apply for it. Anyway. Who's crying

1000
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: about that? Who cares? The huddle is going to be

1001
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: with us shortly. And and there's a fascinating article something

1002
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: I'm becoming obsessed with, which is the idea that you

1003
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: have to let your children just go out and play

1004
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: by themselves and not monitor them in order to help

1005
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: them to kind of grow into fully functioning adults. I'm

1006
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: going to run you through the details of that before

1007
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: six o'clock. We have a second case, by the way,

1008
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: twenty four to six, we have a second case of

1009
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: a judge ordering police to give a MNGAL mob member

1010
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: his patchback. So what's happened here is Sidterata was busted

1011
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: writing his motive in the middle of the night and

1012
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: Lowerheart near his patch on, and the judge found because

1013
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: he was riding in the middle of the night, he

1014
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: wasn't causing public disorder and he was coming home from

1015
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: a tonguey so he would have been emotional. And the

1016
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: judge accepted he'd made a mistake and so told the

1017
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 3: cops hand the patch back. Al Gillespie is a White

1018
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: Cuttle University law professor. Heyl has the judge made a

1019
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 3: fair call here or is he being too soft?

1020
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 13: It's the same call that we had a couple of

1021
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 13: weeks ago. That the law does not mandate that the

1022
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 13: patch has to be destroyed, and if there's a discretion

1023
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 13: in the law, then judges are able to utilize it

1024
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 13: as they have done. We might disagree with it, yeah,

1025
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 13: and if you want it, and if you do disagree

1026
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 13: with it, that's fine. But change the law. But just

1027
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 13: because a judge interprets it in that way, that's their call.

1028
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: Has the judge, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong,

1029
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: But it also sounds like the judges basically made the

1030
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 3: call that the cops shouldn't have necessarily taken it, often

1031
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: because he was tired and emotional and just driving around

1032
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 3: a night.

1033
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 13: That's not how I see the case. I mean, part

1034
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 13: of the penalty is still involved him having a gang

1035
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 13: patch in a public place, which is the basis of

1036
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 13: the law, and he's face penalty to that, and that's

1037
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 13: correct and it's a good thing. The bigger question is

1038
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 13: whether the gang patch should be destroyed, and the law

1039
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 13: does not mandate that it must be destroyed. There's a

1040
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 13: possibility for what the judge may do, but it is

1041
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 13: not mandated that he must do it. If Parliament wants

1042
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 13: to change it, change it.

1043
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith says it's only a couple of cases, not

1044
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 3: a big deal. But if it's a couple of cases,

1045
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: shouldn't we expect there will be more of these.

1046
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 13: I think we could see more. Yeah, I think that's

1047
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 13: quite possible. But we've got to also take a step

1048
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 13: back here and actually think about the issue at hand.

1049
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 13: And that's sort of like the actual destruction of private property,

1050
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 13: especially of insignia, which some people may find objectionable. This

1051
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 13: is a different area that we need to think carefully

1052
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 13: about because there are certain objectionable things in our society

1053
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 13: that you may want to prohibit and then if you

1054
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 13: have to destroy them all, and that could have far

1055
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 13: reaching implications.

1056
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: Expand on that, what do you mean, Well, you could.

1057
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 13: Think about saying Nazi and Sydney, and some people would

1058
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 13: say find that very objectionable, and whether that should be

1059
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 13: destroyed or prohibited. But you've still got an argument to

1060
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 13: free speech, even though we disagree with it. But if

1061
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 13: it's in private, or if it's in public, it's a

1062
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 13: different debate. But if it's in private, whether you want

1063
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 13: to actually get into someone's house and say you aren't

1064
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 13: allowed that to sign at all, it is very different

1065
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 13: from saying you can't wear it in public.

1066
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so basically he's not allowed to wear it in public,

1067
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 3: but he can get it back and wear it around

1068
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 3: the house.

1069
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 13: That it's an option for It's about the problem that

1070
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 13: gang patches cause when they're in public, for intimidation and

1071
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 13: for identity. And there's a lot of good things that

1072
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 13: are happening from this law. But it's not about saying

1073
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 13: that the gang patch itself was prohibited. It's about saying

1074
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 13: that the gang patch in public is prohibited.

1075
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: Right, Al, thank you so much for explaining. Al Gillespie,

1076
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: law professor at Wycoff University. Now Police Minister Mark Mitchell

1077
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: was asked about this.

1078
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am disappointed, without a doubt, but like I said,

1079
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: I don't comment on judicial decisions.

1080
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: He's revealed that the decisions are being appealed.

1081
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 14: We've got a process for that and the process has

1082
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 14: been followed.

1083
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 7: And that quite simply.

1084
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: Is it the police appealed and they're getting crowned or.

1085
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 14: A bloss a second?

1086
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: Twenty away from.

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Speaker 1: Six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

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Speaker 2: Find your one.

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Speaker 3: Of a kind on the Huddle with us this season

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Speaker 3: we have Liam here, political commentator, also lawyer, and Jack Tame,

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Speaker 3: host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings on z B.

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Speaker 3: Hello you two, Liam, So, as a lawyer, what do

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Speaker 3: you reckon should we destroy this personal property or leave

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Speaker 3: open the option to give it back?

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Speaker 21: Oh, we shouldn't destroy it unless the government's got the

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Speaker 21: express power to do so. Like I'm not against the

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Speaker 21: gang patch band. I'm also often very critical of the

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Speaker 21: courts for oversetting their bounds. But if the law, it's

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Speaker 21: a statute, says that the crime is wearing it in

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Speaker 21: public and it doesn't mandate that they we destroyed after

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Speaker 21: it BC's Actually it seems like the judge actually just

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Speaker 21: made a ruling in accordance with the actual law as written,

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Speaker 21: and if there's a problem with that, the law needs

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Speaker 21: to be updated and changed. The judge is not allowed

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Speaker 21: to so weird gag.

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Speaker 3: But what do you reckon, Liam? Do we update the

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Speaker 3: law to destroy something like this?

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Speaker 21: Well, look, I'm not really sure that that the squeeze

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Speaker 21: will be worth the juice to answer with you. I mean,

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Speaker 21: you know, like, so what he's got it now? He

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Speaker 21: can't the mischief as wearing it in public. He can't

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Speaker 21: wear it in public. He's not allowed to wear it

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Speaker 21: in public as you say he can. He can stitch

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Speaker 21: it on his bath roobe and wear it around the

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Speaker 21: house for or it it's actually the law isn't to

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Speaker 21: be there to be redate public behavior, not behave behind

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Speaker 21: closed dollars.

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Speaker 10: Jack, Yeah, I agree. I mean, if they wanted the

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Speaker 10: patch to be destroyed every time it was worn in public,

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Speaker 10: then they did have the option as law makers to

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Speaker 10: express that in the statue, and they were told yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 10: and and they chose not to, which means the judge

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Speaker 10: is the option of discretion, which means you can exercise

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Speaker 10: that discression and it doesn't get destroyed. I mean that

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Speaker 10: being said, this whole law is supposed to dissuade gang

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Speaker 10: members from wearing their gang insignia in public, and I

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Speaker 10: have to say, as someone who was pretty skeptical about

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Speaker 10: whether or not this would work, I think it's been

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Speaker 10: extremely effective so far. But that being said, would updating

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Speaker 10: the law to mandate the destruction of gang patches have

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Speaker 10: a meaningful difference on gang behaviors as it stands, I'm

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Speaker 10: not sure it really would. Is there anyone who would

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Speaker 10: have worn it in public now who will say, actually,

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Speaker 10: now that my patch is going to be destroyed, if

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Speaker 10: I'm called in table like, I won't simply be charged

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Speaker 10: with wearing it in public. It will also be destroyed.

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Speaker 10: That's going to be the difference in me wearing it

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Speaker 10: in public. I don't think that.

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Speaker 21: It's like when your teacher took away your frisbee. You know,

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Speaker 21: when you're playing with the frisbee in class and you

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Speaker 21: could get it at the end of the day. You know,

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Speaker 21: that's the problem, isn't frisbee is? The problem is?

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 7: Them?

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Speaker 21: Well, that is what happens.

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Speaker 3: It is what happened to you.

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Speaker 21: Well, I've got the saked away from me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Once it's a very specific example.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm the reason I'm fascinated by this. I never

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Speaker 3: threw it for frisbee in class. It wouldn't occur to

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Speaker 3: me that would be something that I would be able to.

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Speaker 10: Liam would have would have loved to have alternatively used

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Speaker 10: an anecdote for twelve years as a patch member of the.

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Speaker 21: Grave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are things you can do in class that

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Speaker 3: you could get away with, you know, like texting on

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Speaker 3: your phone maybe I don't know, sticking sticking a pen

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Speaker 3: in somebody's pocket, throwing a frisbee. You're gonna get busted, mate,

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Speaker 3: Now get a frisbee back at the end of the day. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 3: I suppose, listen, Jack, what do you think about the

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Speaker 3: Shannon Helbert. He's complained that Rahwadi White is he should

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Speaker 3: answer all questions in Mary and in English, because if

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Speaker 3: he just answers in Marty, he's creating an exclusive bunch

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Speaker 3: of Mardi.

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Speaker 10: Well, I I have kind of evolved in my thinking

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Speaker 10: a little bit over over the years and that I

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Speaker 10: think TEDL Mahry is a Tonga. I think it's really

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Speaker 10: really valuable. I think it's a treasure in New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: That being said, I don't think you bring anyone along

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Speaker 10: if you make them feel excluded, and if you use

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Speaker 10: language in a way that excludes people, I using it

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Speaker 10: without translating it, I think that explicitly excludes people. And

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Speaker 10: I think a lot of to Party Marori's actions at

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Speaker 10: the moment can be best described as appealing to their

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Speaker 10: core base, and they're extremely effective at doing that. But

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Speaker 10: my big critique when it comes to the Party is

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Speaker 10: I think if they're defined themselves in a position to

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Speaker 10: govern to affect the change that they actually want to make,

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Speaker 10: then at some point I think that strategy is going

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Speaker 10: to have to change.

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Speaker 16: And I don't think those Jacks in a way hasn't

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Speaker 16: in a way, hasn't Shannon actually hit on the very

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Speaker 16: thing that the Maori Party is trying to do, which

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Speaker 16: is that they are really You'd have to say, judging

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Speaker 16: by their actions, that there is an elite group of

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Speaker 16: mary as far as they're concerned in that, and I

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Speaker 16: don't think they want to bring people with them.

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Speaker 3: They are doing enough and then thing, well.

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Speaker 10: Look, look, I mean, I just don't think there's one

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Speaker 10: view in tow Mardi necessarily, and I certainly think that

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Speaker 10: the way that to Party Malory have designed all of

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Speaker 10: their messaging and all of their reach out on social

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Speaker 10: media has been extremely effective and connecting with people who

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Speaker 10: feel really energized by this kind of collective view of mardydom.

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Speaker 10: And yeah, I can see how for some people that

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Speaker 10: would feel exclusionary, but to my core point, like the

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Speaker 10: problem is if they isolate themselves from labor much further,

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Speaker 10: I just cannot see how the Party Mardi is going

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Speaker 10: to be able to turn all of this energy and

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Speaker 10: momentum that they've built over the last few years very

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Speaker 10: impressively into actually affecting the change that they say is

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Speaker 10: so important.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even sure that they want to all right,

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Speaker 3: we'll take a break. Lim, I want to hear what

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Speaker 3: you've got to say. After the break, quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 1: Leader and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 3: Right back with the huddle, Lim here and Jack tame Lim,

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Speaker 3: what do you reckon?

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Speaker 21: Look, there are two ways to look at this, and

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Speaker 21: the first is that English is the vernacular language of

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Speaker 21: New Zealand, right, and there's the language of the people.

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Speaker 21: It's a lingua franca. So if you are in government

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Speaker 21: to refuse to to answer in English, he's actually putting

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Speaker 21: the bird to the whole of the country. But the

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Speaker 21: second aspect of it is is that he's not in government.

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Speaker 21: He isn't actually in government. He's only an MP. He's

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Speaker 21: got constituents. But it does mean that you know, there

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Speaker 21: is there's a bit more scope than there's a bit

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Speaker 21: more room to make points because he's only accountable to

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Speaker 21: his own constituents. And I actually think the politics of

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Speaker 21: it from just not necessarily from a coalition perspective, but

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Speaker 21: just from a TPM perspective, the politics of it are

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Speaker 21: smart because he's going to get in the headlines more.

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Speaker 21: He's going to he's going to wrestle feathers more. He's

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Speaker 21: going to increase the profile of his party more by

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Speaker 21: pulling stunts like this as opposed to actually answering the questions.

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Speaker 21: If he just answered the questions, we wouldn't be talking

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Speaker 21: about it, probably wouldn't have made the news. But but

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Speaker 21: but by doing this, he has made himself a story

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Speaker 21: that's that's probably smart politics, probably not great for the

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Speaker 21: party in terms of endearing itself to the whole of

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Speaker 21: the country, but that's not his aim and and he's

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Speaker 21: not he's not a government MPs minister, so he's got

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Speaker 21: a bit more rope.

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Speaker 10: This is like just a fundamental point and it's one

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Speaker 10: that you can apply to so much to Parki Marti's

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Speaker 10: actions over the last couple of years. I mean, regardless

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Speaker 10: of what you think of the party, what you think

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Speaker 10: of their policy, they have been extremely effective in opposition

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Speaker 10: and capturing headlines and you know, actions, acts, stunts even

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Speaker 10: that absolutely endeared them to their own constituents and supporters.

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Speaker 10: It doesn't necessarily build a huge consensus across the entire elexit,

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Speaker 10: but I think about what it comes to building, building

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Speaker 10: support and maintaining support with their with their own supporters

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Speaker 10: have been incredibly effect What we've.

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Speaker 21: Seen over the last sort of six years of politics

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Speaker 21: and the zeld is that if you're a small party,

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Speaker 21: your voters will reward your bad behavior. You know that

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Speaker 21: whenever the Greens have a scandal, they only go up

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Speaker 21: in the polls. You know, whenever in the zero first

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Speaker 21: or actor bad coalition partners, they go up in the polls.

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Speaker 21: So I think small parties in New Zealand have cracked

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Speaker 21: the code to survival, which is the means of perpeture

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Speaker 21: a bad boys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point. Now on an adjacent subject, Jack, what

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Speaker 3: do you make of the argument that anybody who has

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Speaker 3: Maori descent should be able to automatically claim citizenship.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's going to be unrealistic. That's not

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Speaker 10: to say that I think there should be a blanket

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Speaker 10: exclusionary rule, like I think Keisha Castle Hughes example, is

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Speaker 10: a good example of someone who I think has enduring

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Speaker 10: ties Like that might be a good a good art

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Speaker 10: stick or measure by which to test people's relationship. But

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Speaker 10: also there are consequences like if you if you or

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Speaker 10: your you know, or your parents or grandparents decide to

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Speaker 10: leave New Zealand and you're born elsewhere, and then other

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Speaker 10: generations born elsewhere alfinately. There are consequences to those decisions,

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Speaker 10: and I think, you know, I can't see you're being

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Speaker 10: widespread political support for this, except to say that maybe

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Speaker 10: a kind of enduring ties link could be applied to

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Speaker 10: all people of New Zealand heritage overseas.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Liam, isn't it simply that if we do

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Speaker 3: this for anyone who's of Mary descent, you do it

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Speaker 3: for everybody of New Zealand descent, and then it just

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Speaker 3: gets ridiculous.

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Speaker 21: Well, it's not fully unprecedented when it comes to ethnic groups.

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Speaker 21: And you know, and in Israel as an example, we

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Speaker 21: have the right of return, and I know that in

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Speaker 21: Hungary they sort of extend quite a lot of rights

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Speaker 21: to you know, ethnic Hungarians and sort of neighboring countries,

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Speaker 21: including the right to move back to Hungary. But at

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Speaker 21: the end of the day, that's you know, citizenship is

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Speaker 21: not a racial construct in New Zealand. You know, we

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Speaker 21: don't award citizenship by race, And there's just no way

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Speaker 21: that you can move off that paradigm, off that sort

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Speaker 21: of idea that we're not an ethno state, that We're

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Speaker 21: a civic country first and foremost, and accommodate this.

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Speaker 2: You just can't.

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Speaker 21: So while I can understand, I mean, who wouldn't want

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Speaker 21: to be a New Zealand citizen, especially if you've got

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Speaker 21: an ethnic identity that's tied back to the place, but

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Speaker 21: the same you know, I can't get Irish ship. At

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Speaker 21: some point you're just going to say the connection is

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Speaker 21: too remote.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Point. Hey guys, it's been lovely to chat.

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Speaker 10: Do you?

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Enjoy evening, Jack Tamilliam, here a huddle.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about the kids roaming free. Next eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on My Hard Radio powered by News Talk z'b.

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Speaker 3: Ah geeza. There are you deliberately trying to get Ferris

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Speaker 3: to do another Instagram post for who should be here?

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Speaker 3: He's probably listening to all of this, isn't he? Because

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Speaker 3: I feel like Takuta is a listener, and yeah, he'd

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Speaker 3: be well into this discussion about Keisha Castle Hughes and

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Speaker 3: he's just thinking about what he's going to post tonight

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Speaker 3: at midnight, so stand by for that. It's five away

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Speaker 3: from six. By the way, there's a christ Church developer

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Speaker 3: who reckons that the little townhouses Auckland builds a hideous

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Speaker 3: and he's going to come up to Auckland and build

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Speaker 3: better ones. So we're gonna have a chat him after six. Now,

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Speaker 3: there is an article, as I say, in the Herald

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Speaker 3: called the Case. It's the Headliners the case for letting

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Speaker 3: children out of our sight to grow in confidence, and

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Speaker 3: that the articles claim is basically that researchers have discovered

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Speaker 3: that we are starting to basically cramp the style of

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Speaker 3: our kids wigh too much. It's called the home range,

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Speaker 3: which is basically how far from home children can travel,

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Speaker 3: play and explore on their own. And researchers in Britain

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Speaker 3: interviewed three generations of the same family about a decade ago.

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Speaker 3: What they found is that back in the nineteen fifties,

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Speaker 3: the grandparents could travel up to three k's from home

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Speaker 3: without adult supervision. That was what they were allowed to do.

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Speaker 3: A few decades later, the parents were only allowed to

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Speaker 3: travel about five hundred meters away from home half a

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Speaker 3: k and that was mostly to parks and playgrounds and

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Speaker 3: friends homes. The most recent generation, a boy ten and

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Speaker 3: a girl six, could not go anywhere without permission, not

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Speaker 3: even to a friend's house next door. And what they're finding.

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Speaker 3: What the researchers are arguing is that if you don't

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Speaker 3: give the kids permission to go out and do things

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Speaker 3: without you having to know about it or watching what

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Speaker 3: they're doing, you basically are creating a situation where the

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Speaker 3: kids will end up with childhood anxiety depression, have a

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Speaker 3: harder time developing into confident adults, more likely to grow

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Speaker 3: up disconnected from the natural world, more likely to suffer

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Speaker 3: mental and physical health harms from spending less time and nature.

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Speaker 3: Now the reason parents don't do it, and you think

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Speaker 3: about your circumstances, right, there will be an element of

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Speaker 3: stranger danger, but most likely, and this is the consideration

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Speaker 3: for me, traffic. Right. Cars are bigger nowadays, they travel faster,

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Speaker 3: They're more likely to hurt the kids. So that's the

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Speaker 3: reason why you don't really want them to go out wandering.

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Speaker 3: But yet you really have to. Basically, the article says,

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Speaker 3: protect them from some danger, but you can't protect them

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Speaker 3: from all danger. Contrast Our Way to the Finns, the

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Speaker 3: finished kids at seven walk or cycle alone. At eight,

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Speaker 3: The majority cross main roads and travel to school by

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Speaker 3: themselves and at ten they ride local buses. Check it out.

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Speaker 3: It's a really interesting article. News talks'b Live nine.

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Speaker 1: Eleven dis way, what's fun, what's down one with a

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Speaker 1: major cause and how will it affect the economy? The

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Speaker 1: big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy,

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mas for insurance investments and Kilie Safer.

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Speaker 2: You're in good hands.

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Speaker 3: News Talks env Evening coming up in the next hour.

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Speaker 3: Genative Schraney may have the solution to that insurance and

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Speaker 3: liability problem with the builders and the trades. If you've

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Speaker 3: been following that, she's with us. After half passed Milford

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Speaker 3: Assent Management on what to expect from the Infertile Investor

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Speaker 3: Update day tomorrow, and then Gavin Gray on Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: arriving to meet King Charles in the UK. It's eight

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Speaker 3: past six. Now have you ever wondered why all these

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Speaker 3: new townhouses that are popping up everywhere just so ugly?

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Speaker 3: You're not alone if you're wondering that. One christ Church developer,

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Speaker 3: Reckons Auckland's developments are quote awful and he's bringing his

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Speaker 3: colonial style new builds to the North. Managing director of

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Speaker 3: Brooksfield's homes. Vincent Holloway is with us. Hey, Vincent, hi here,

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Speaker 3: how are you very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 10: Now?

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Speaker 3: Your houses are beautiful. Why aren't developers doing this already?

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: It's probably something to do with the lack of imagination,

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Speaker 5: i'd say, but really, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, because all we have to do is look around,

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Speaker 3: you know, Point Chef, Grayln, Pons and b. You don't

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Speaker 3: have to imagine that this stuff has been built before,

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Speaker 3: so why not just replicate it?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly what we do in a sense. And

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Speaker 5: when we've started designing and selling homes in Auckland and

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Speaker 5: where we've gone up there, we see that a lot

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Speaker 5: of people want to be living in those areas like

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Speaker 5: Point Chief Grayland, Pons and Bee with the cute timberweatherboard villa.

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Speaker 5: It's obviously out of reach for a lot of people

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Speaker 5: in terms of price, but people are wanting that in

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Speaker 5: a home. So you know, we aim to do that

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Speaker 5: in a smaller scale and a cheaper area.

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Speaker 3: Basically, the way that you build your townhouses in the

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Speaker 3: old colonial style, is it perhaps more expensive than what

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Speaker 3: the other developers are doing in the styles that they are.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have thought. So you know, the whole reason

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Speaker 5: that a classical or a colonial home looks the way

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Speaker 5: it is for two reasons. The first they cared about

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Speaker 5: the appearance and spend a wee bit more time and

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Speaker 5: energy on that. But the other the reason is because

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Speaker 5: they lacked a lot of the time, in places like

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Speaker 5: New Zealand and Australia, really skilled tradesmen and money. So

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Speaker 5: when you actually look at an old Ponsonby villa, it's

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Speaker 5: extremely simple in the way that it's usually you know,

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Speaker 5: a box with possibly a projecting bay window. So they're

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Speaker 5: a very simple house in the way of construction because

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Speaker 5: they're just effectively a box. But they're very pretty because

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Speaker 5: where they were able to, you know, they spend a

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Speaker 5: little bit of money and time on detail.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to be limited in where you can

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Speaker 3: re you know, build these houses to maximize your income

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Speaker 3: because they are single story and in a lot of

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Speaker 3: places in Auckland now we're going.

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Speaker 5: Up, well a lot of our homes, we do do

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Speaker 5: a lot of single story homes, and we do single

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Speaker 5: story homes with rooms in the attic as well, so

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Speaker 5: that you know they'll look like a single story home

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Speaker 5: but actually be two. Yeah, but we also do and

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Speaker 5: the ones an orphan that we're doing as well. Points

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Speaker 5: you have a two story so there are slightly different

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Speaker 5: typology than an exactly, you know, exactly a bay villa.

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Speaker 5: They're a bit smaller, so one hundred to about one

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Speaker 5: hundred and thirty square meters, and they're also in a

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Speaker 5: smaller section as well, so we're not too limited. And

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Speaker 5: I mean the classical classical architecture as well comes in

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Speaker 5: many shapes and forms. I mean, you know, you go

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Speaker 5: to Rome or London or Paris and you'll see you

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Speaker 5: five six story classical townhouses that are absolutely beautiful as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: This is the trick to perhaps getting people on board

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Speaker 3: a little bit more densification is that you're able to

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Speaker 3: densify while building in the style of the suburb.

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Speaker 5: Definitely. I think if you look around, a lot of

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Speaker 5: the nimbees have a problem with the ugliness if you

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Speaker 5: really get into it, not the densification. It's actually really

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Speaker 5: great to live in a suburb with a diverse mix

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Speaker 5: of people and more people that does good things for

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Speaker 5: people that already live there. I think the issue is,

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Speaker 5: and the issue I have with my neighbors as well,

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Speaker 5: is the that the people rely building new homes now

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Speaker 5: are building horrifically ugly things and no one wants to

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Speaker 5: live next door to one. And I understand completely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, TODs, hey, listen, Vincent, thank you very much. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time. That's Vincent Holloway of Brooksfield Homes.

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Speaker 3: If you look, do me a favor, Do me a favor.

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Speaker 3: Go and look at Brooksfield Homes and the colonial style

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Speaker 3: townhouses they're doing, and you'll know what I mean when

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Speaker 3: you see them. They're sort of like three little, three

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Speaker 3: little villas stuck together. Now, we're not long ago. Actually,

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Speaker 3: before babies, I was living in a place very similar

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Speaker 3: to that. We owned a place in ponds of bee

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Speaker 3: like that had to sell it obviously because it was

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Speaker 3: like child killer situation, the steepness of the stairs and

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Speaker 3: you know, there's no yard for the kids to run

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Speaker 3: around and stuff like that. That would have been built

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Speaker 3: from if my memory serves me correctly, around the turn

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Speaker 3: of the century, so maybe like nineteen I want to say,

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Speaker 3: nineteen hundred, maybe nineteen teen at a push, right, and

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Speaker 3: it basically looks exactly like what Vincent is building. And

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Speaker 3: have a look at it and then tell me if

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Speaker 3: you have a problem with that popping up next door,

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Speaker 3: because I would have no problem at all. The beautiful

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Speaker 3: little townhouses much more pretty, as he says, than anything

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Speaker 3: else he's seeing going up at the moment twelve past six, ever,

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Speaker 3: do for see Allen Heather. I recently reluctantly let my

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Speaker 3: eight year old bike three k's to school earlier this year,

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Speaker 3: crossing busy roads. I was spurred on by reading the

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Speaker 3: Anxious generation good from you, me too. It's been the

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Speaker 3: best thing for him. His confidence has increased exponentially, and

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Speaker 3: I wish I'd done it earlier. Anthea, thank you, thanks

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Speaker 3: for sending it through. You're giving me confidence. It's five

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Speaker 3: years before my one hits that age four and a half,

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Speaker 3: but I can build myself up till he's eight.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: There is a piece in the Post newspaper with the

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Speaker 3: headline power play National walks tightrope as energy crisis hits

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Speaker 3: homes and industry. I read this for you so that

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Speaker 3: I could tell you the most interesting thing in it.

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Speaker 3: This bit. Sparse snow this winter will likely leave hydro

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Speaker 3: drag Lake's low next year, meaning generators may have to

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Speaker 3: rely more on coal and gas to meet winter demand

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Speaker 3: pushing up wholesale electricity prices. With twenty twenty six an

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Speaker 3: election year that has the political class on a high alert.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm drawing this to your attention because the other day,

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Speaker 3: when I was having drinks at the Rugby, not only

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01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 3: did Grant from the National Party interrupt my evening to

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Speaker 3: bang on about net zero at me, which I actually

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Speaker 3: quite enjoyed. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, right,

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Speaker 3: That's just the kind of Saturday fund that I enjoy.

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Speaker 3: So I had a chat with Grant about the net zero,

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Speaker 3: But somebody else who will remain unnamed, came to me

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Speaker 3: and said, have you seen how much snow there is?

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Speaker 3: And said, there's not a lot of snow this year,

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Speaker 3: and you know what that means, And that means low

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Speaker 3: hydro lakes next winter. And you know what next winter is.

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Speaker 3: It's just before the election, and you know people are

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Speaker 3: worried about that. I thought, Aha, we're going to have

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Speaker 3: to mention that on the show when we get an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And now I've had an opportunity. So if you think

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Speaker 3: power prices this year are a problem, wait till you

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Speaker 3: see what they are next year, just before an election

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Speaker 3: This is why Shane Jones is clever because he's already

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Speaker 3: starting the chat. He's already winding it up on the

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Speaker 3: energy because he knows next year we're going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about electricity and it's going to get him re

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Speaker 3: elected in a big way. Fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupasicy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, empowered by Newstalks EBB.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro.

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Speaker 1: Micro or just plain economics, it's all on the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplesicy Allen and mass for Insurance, Convestments

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Speaker 1: and Kilie Safer.

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Speaker 2: You're in good hands Newstalks eb.

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Speaker 3: I've got so much to tell you. If you're interested

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Speaker 3: in the use of Tea Kunger in law boy, have

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Speaker 3: I got an interesting update for you on that. And

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Speaker 3: if you're interested in what you should be wearing, which

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Speaker 3: of course you should be interested. Don't give up on

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Speaker 3: your life just yet. I have got New York Fashion

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Speaker 3: Week's style guide from the people attending, and you know

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Speaker 3: how they are very cool. So I'm going to try

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Speaker 3: and get that through to you before seven o'clock. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it is coming up eighteen past six. Jeremy Hutton of

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Speaker 3: Milford Asset Management is with me Hi Jeremy.

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Speaker 17: Good evening, Heather Right, So we have got.

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Speaker 3: Infratil hosting an investorday in Sydney tomorrow. What's the market

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Speaker 3: looking for?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, in Frattill they are a leading listing on the

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Speaker 17: nz X and they're over in Sydney to present their

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Speaker 17: investment case to both Australian and Kiwi investors. And it

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Speaker 17: is fair to say that expectations are reasonably high, but

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Speaker 17: that is on the back of a very impressive track

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Speaker 17: record in fort Till. They have delivered a seventeen percent

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Speaker 17: compound return for investors over the past thirty years, so

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Speaker 17: some pretty amazing returns there. But for reference, they are

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Speaker 17: effectively a portfolio of companies and they traditionally invest in

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Speaker 17: infrastructure assets and some pretty well known companies like One

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Speaker 17: New Zealand, well Inton Airport and Trust Power. But more

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Speaker 17: recently they've absolutely nailed to global mega trends that we've seen,

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Speaker 17: and that's data centers and renewable energy and that was

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Speaker 17: before they became super hot assets. But that's part of

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Speaker 17: the reason why they're in Sydney. Of of course, they're

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Speaker 17: there to spread the Infratil story out to the rest

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Speaker 17: of the world, but they really want to show off

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Speaker 17: the potential and the assets that their key investment, Camber

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Speaker 17: Data Centers has there.

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Speaker 3: Now, do you think that the global data center hype

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Speaker 3: is coming down under two with that investment that you

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Speaker 3: just mentioned.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, in sure, yes, Cambra Data Centers they're building a

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Speaker 17: lot of data center capacity in New Zealand and Australia.

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Speaker 17: They currently have three seventy two megawatts operating. They're under

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Speaker 17: construction currently got that again being built and then out

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Speaker 17: into the twenty thirties, they have a huge pipeline they

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Speaker 17: expect to build about four to five times what they've

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Speaker 17: currently got. So huge demand coming and as we know,

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Speaker 17: it's on the back of the hyperscalers or the big

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Speaker 17: tech companies. They're pushing to get more and more computing

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Speaker 17: power to develop their AI models. So pretty much around

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Speaker 17: the world they're going around and mopping up every bit

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Speaker 17: of data center capacity that people can deliver.

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Speaker 2: So that does possess position.

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Speaker 17: Canberra Data Center is an infantil really well in this region,

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Speaker 17: so hopefully try and capture quite a bit of this growth.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Listen, I want to talk to you about long

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Speaker 3: Road Energy. Do you think that renewable energy in the

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Speaker 3: US is still growing under Trump?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, that's another one of their key investments, long Road

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Speaker 17: Energy based in the US, and there has been a

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Speaker 17: bit of uncertainty of course under Trump two point zero

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Speaker 17: and has one big beautiful bill. Remember, under Biden's Inflation

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Speaker 17: and Reduction Act, there are very large tax incentives to

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Speaker 17: developers of renewable energy in the US, and there were

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Speaker 17: some fears that some of those tax credits would be removed.

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Speaker 17: Ultimately they're still in there for now. They have been retained,

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Speaker 17: but there's still is uncertainty. But what they have to

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Speaker 17: demonstrate is that the projects can be built by a

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Speaker 17: certain dates. So that's part of Infertill's challenge tomorrow. They're

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Speaker 17: going to try and communicate that the long road business

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Speaker 17: model still works with or without these tax credits, and

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Speaker 17: then that they can deliver their large pipeline of projects

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Speaker 17: before a certain date when they could potentially drop out.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much, Sherman. It's good to talk

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Speaker 3: to Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. Hither to your point

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Speaker 3: about allowing our kids to explore and learn outside the home.

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Speaker 3: Our twelve year old had her first sleepovers with her grandparents.

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Speaker 3: From the age of two, started flying as an unaccompany

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Speaker 3: as an unaccompanied child to visit my sister between Wellington

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Speaker 3: and Nelson once a year. From the age of five,

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Speaker 3: we let her walk down to the local dairy, which

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Speaker 3: was a block away. From the age of seven, her

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Speaker 3: trampoline did not have any protective nets. Once she turned

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Speaker 3: seven and she was trampling competent. Our friends could not

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Speaker 3: believe how lax we are, and although they didn't outright

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Speaker 3: criticize us, their tones said it all, which is often

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Speaker 3: why people helicopter their kids. So I want to be

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Speaker 3: seen to be parenting properly. We now have a confident,

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Speaker 3: articulate young lady, and many of our friends are concerned

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Speaker 3: about the anxiety displayed and amongst their children. It was

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Speaker 3: certainly not always easy to watch her walk away, but

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Speaker 3: I do believe that in encouraging her, we've built strength

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Speaker 3: and hopefully a sense of adventure will continue to grow.

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Speaker 3: Well done, you, Lucy, sounds like sounds to me like

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Speaker 3: you've nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather duplic Ellen and Mass for Insurance investments and

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Speaker 1: Huiye Safer and you're in good hands.

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Speaker 2: News talks, that'd be gen Tip.

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Speaker 3: Traney's going to be with us after the news, talk

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Speaker 3: us through what she understands we're going to do about

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Speaker 3: the trades, because you know, the liabilities moved from the

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Speaker 3: councils to no one, So who takes the liability of

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Speaker 3: the trades do something wrong? She might have the answer.

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Speaker 3: It's six twenty five Showba's news. Yeah, we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about some fash on. It's New York Fashion Week

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Speaker 3: at the moment, all the stars are out, Cardi B

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Speaker 3: is rocking Fergwin Paltrow's dressed and brutalist inspired outfits. It's

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Speaker 3: all on the unlikely star that's on everyone's lips, though,

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Speaker 3: is Vivian Wilson. Now, if you don't know who Vivian

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Speaker 3: Wilson is, Vivian Wilson is the daughter of Elon Musk. Now,

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Speaker 3: she's the one that's just stranged from him because she's

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Speaker 3: come out as transgender. And she's made her fashion Week debut,

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Speaker 3: walking in four different shows so far, and she's also

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Speaker 3: on the cover of New York magazine. Now, Sam has

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Speaker 3: printed out the outfits for me so that I can

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Speaker 3: tell you what I'm seeing. Okay, Outfit number one fun

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Speaker 3: summ address Yay. Outfit number two, Beauty Queen full length gown.

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Speaker 3: Outfit number three are sort of a sheer slight it's

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Speaker 3: see through flapper inspired outfit two piece beautiful. She looks stunning.

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Speaker 3: Absolute favorite is the outfit where she's covered in bugs.

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Speaker 3: When I say bugs, I think that they might be cockroaches.

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Speaker 3: They're obviously not real. It's a sort of like, I

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Speaker 3: don't really know what's going on here. It's just like

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Speaker 3: a bit of foof cover, froofy stuff covering her bits

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Speaker 3: at the bottom of bikini on the top, and they're

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Speaker 3: just bugs everywhere. You know what it is fashion. It's

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Speaker 3: New York Fashion Week. They do weird things. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: what you really need to know, this is the thing

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Speaker 3: I'm always interested in a fashion week is who's turning

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Speaker 3: up wearing what? Because if they're wearing it in New

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Speaker 3: York at fashion Week, you're going to be wearing it

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Speaker 3: next winter, right, So the trends are and this is

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Speaker 3: the people attending the leather bomber. The leather bomber very

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Speaker 3: on point at the moment you want to get in

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Speaker 3: a rich dark brown like an ox blood or a

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Speaker 3: lived in chocolate brown or something like that. Then you

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Speaker 3: want to wear it with a pleated trouser. The swede

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Speaker 3: blazer as like as in like this nineteen seventies kind

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Speaker 3: of cararimely colored suede blazer that looks like it's borrowed

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Speaker 3: from the boys. That's also very fashionable. You want to

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Speaker 3: wear it just with a classic button up light colored

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Speaker 3: shirt underneath, maybe a little bit of a funky denim

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Speaker 3: pants or something like that. The barn jacket is in

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Speaker 3: this is like something like the late Queen would have

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Speaker 3: worn while going out to tend the horses. That kind

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Speaker 3: of like English barn jacket. Starfing double denim is in people. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you want to wear it like an oversized denim jacket,

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Speaker 3: buttoned up and folded over at the waist, and then

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Speaker 3: wear a straight leg geen underneath the oversized black blazer.

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Speaker 3: You can never go past it. And funnel necks are back.

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Speaker 3: And by funnel neck, I mean you know when you've

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Speaker 3: got a jacket and you zip it all button it

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Speaker 3: up so that it kind of does like a turtleneck vibe.

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Speaker 3: But the jacket version that is back and you wear

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Speaker 3: yours with slim fit genes. Yes, guess what, skinny pants

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Speaker 3: are back. They were only out the other day and

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Speaker 3: they're back again. News is next.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mas for

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Speaker 1: Insurance Investments and Huie Safer and you're in good hands.

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Speaker 2: News talk sa'd be.

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Speaker 3: So can you come.

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Kevin Gray is with us out of the UK and

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Speaker 3: ten minutes on all of the pomp and the ceremony

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Speaker 3: and everything that's going to be taking place to try

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Speaker 3: to suck up to Donald Trump because this is the

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Speaker 3: stuff he loves. We'll catch up on that very shortly.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to run you through the tea Kunger and

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Speaker 3: the law. Also, by the way, if you don't know

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Speaker 3: what you're going to do when you get home, I've

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Speaker 3: got your evening plans for you. You are going to

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Speaker 3: get yourself an Apple TV subscription if you don't already

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Speaker 3: have it, and you're gonna watch season four of the

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Speaker 3: Morning Show because this is the one with Jennifer Aniston.

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Speaker 3: This thing dropped two and a half hours ago. That's

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Speaker 3: my evening plan. And you're not going to regret it

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Speaker 3: because even because you're like, oh, should I get the

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Speaker 3: subscription for just you know, one season? Yes, you absolutely well,

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Speaker 3: because ah, I am I about to lie to you?

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Speaker 3: Think I'm about to lie to you. I think I

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Speaker 3: was going to tell you Slow Horses the next season's

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Speaker 3: coming out and that's also on Apple TV. But I

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Speaker 3: don't know that it is. I don't know. Let I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have to do some googling. This is terrible. This

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Speaker 3: is terrible radio. Terrible radio to be doing this to you.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's Apple TV, maybe it isn't on Slow Horses,

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Speaker 3: but the Morning show is stand by and I'll find

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Speaker 3: out what it is in a minute. Twenty four away

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Speaker 3: from seven, building industry associations are gonna have to talk

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Speaker 3: about them because they may be the ones carrying the

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Speaker 3: liability for their registered builders.

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Speaker 5: Soon.

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Speaker 3: The government is pushing on with those plans that we've

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Speaker 3: been discussing to change who is liable for defective building work,

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Speaker 3: and it's become clear that insurance for builders might not

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Speaker 3: be widely available. So maybe master builders and certified builders

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Speaker 3: may end up being the ones carrying the can instead.

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Speaker 3: Jane Tibshraany as the Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us.

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Speaker 3: Hey do you know, hi, Heather, So is this an

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Speaker 3: idea or is this what's going to happen.

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Speaker 22: Well, so, here's the thing. Currently, if you have a

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Speaker 22: problem with your house, all the parties involved in causing

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Speaker 22: that problem are jointly liable, so you can take the

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Speaker 22: council to court for giving consent for the building and

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Speaker 22: the builder, and if the builder can't afford to pay

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Speaker 22: you out, the buckstops of the council. That's the current situation,

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Speaker 22: which means you kind of always get your way because

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Speaker 22: the council has deep pockets. Under what the government's proposed,

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Speaker 22: the liability is split between everyone who's actually caused the problem.

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Speaker 22: So that could mean that your builder is liable for

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01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 22: the problem and the council only plays a small part

1722
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 22: or doesn't have to pay a part at all. But

1723
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 22: the thing that I'm really worried about if you now

1724
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 22: are pursuing your builder and so is your because they

1725
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 22: have the same problem, and so is the other person

1726
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 22: down the road because they all have the same problem

1727
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 22: with the same i don't know, problematic piece of equipment

1728
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 22: or something in the house, then that builders pockets aren't

1729
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 22: necessarily deep enough. So then what happens is if that

1730
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 22: builder doesn't have proper insurance, you might have some sort

1731
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 22: of building guarantee for your house for the problem. But

1732
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 22: the people who pay out those guarantees, they're not registered,

1733
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 22: licensed insurers. So how do we know that those master

1734
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 22: builder guarantees, certified builder guarantees, How do we know that

1735
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 22: they have enough money in the pot to pay out me,

1736
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 22: my neighbor, everyone else with the same problem, like was

1737
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 22: the case during the leaky home issue in the nineties.

1738
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 22: So this is the issue. This is the question I have,

1739
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 22: And the government can't answer that question because you know,

1740
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 22: they're changing the regime. But the master builders and the

1741
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 22: certified builders, they aren't regulated. So the question I have

1742
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 22: is should they be regulated? Should they be required to

1743
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 22: meet solvency standards like normal insurance companies have to meet?

1744
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: Would they not? Why aren't they required to simply take

1745
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 3: out insurance in the way that we would have expected

1746
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: a builder to have to.

1747
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 22: Yeah, look, that's a good question. So I think currently

1748
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,799
Speaker 22: the government has decided it wants to change this regime,

1749
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 22: but it's trying to figure out whether to make some

1750
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 22: of these things mandatory. So trying to figure out whether

1751
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 22: it says to you, as the homeowner, if you want

1752
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 22: to get your house built, you have to make sure

1753
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 22: you have some sort of a warranty. The question then,

1754
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 22: which I'm exploring, is well, if that warranty is mandatory,

1755
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 22: should the provider of that guarantee a warranty? Should it

1756
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 22: be required to have you meet certain solvency standards?

1757
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 3: Yes, you know.

1758
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 22: And so talking to Master Builders certified builders, there are

1759
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 22: mixed views. So the CEO of Master Builders, he's quite

1760
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 22: open to being regulated, you know, he an Katshama. He says, well,

1761
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 22: they already work with actuaries to make sure they have

1762
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 22: enough money in the pot. Basically. Certified builders, on the

1763
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 22: other hand, Malcolm Fleming, the CEO, took to him and

1764
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 22: he said, you know that the main thing is to

1765
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,799
Speaker 22: make sure that the building standards are high enough, because

1766
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 22: that's the real issue. Make sure the building standards a

1767
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 22: high enough so there's not a problem to begin with.

1768
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: Oh, well, that's just dreaming, isn't it. There's always going

1769
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 3: to be a cowboy.

1770
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 22: Well, I mean I think so. And he also said

1771
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 22: that actually if there was to be a widespread problem,

1772
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 22: because that's when the solvency issue really becomes a problem.

1773
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 22: If there was to be a widespread problem, it would

1774
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 22: probably be with the building material. And if it is

1775
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 22: with the building material, then I guess you can sue

1776
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 22: the manufacturer of the material, so you're not necessarily tapping

1777
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 22: into the pot of money run by certified builders. But

1778
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 22: I think I mean stepping out here, I'm sort of

1779
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 22: going right into the weeds here, but stepping back. I

1780
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 22: think if the government is changing the liability regime for housing,

1781
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 22: which is where all of our money is tied up,

1782
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 22: then we need to make sure the stuff is rock solid,

1783
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 22: so that if we have a problem, we need to

1784
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 22: make sure whoever we're chasing actually has money to pay.

1785
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1786
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 3: I mean it is alarming to me, I think probably,

1787
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: and by the sounds of things to you as well.

1788
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 3: It is alarming to me that we're taking that away

1789
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 3: without actually replacing it with something of equal certainty. Jane,

1790
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 3: thank you. I appreciate you talking us through it and

1791
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,799
Speaker 3: doing all the work on it. Jenetab Charani, the Herald's

1792
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 3: Wellington business owner, to keep an eye on this. This

1793
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 3: is Chris Pink, isn't it, Laura. It's Chris Pink doing this. Yeah,

1794
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: keep an eye on it. Eighteen away from seven together,

1795
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 3: do to see Allen, I wasn't doing terrible radio in

1796
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 3: the end. Well I was because I wasn't sure about

1797
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: what I was telling you, But it was on Apple TV.

1798
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: Slow Horses is on a TV. So this is the

1799
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 3: time where if you're do in the rotate on the

1800
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 3: streaming streaming devices, you're going to be wanting to think

1801
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 3: about going back to your Apple Plus at the moment,

1802
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 3: because you're going to get the morning show today and

1803
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: then you know, for ten weeks here after all, twelve

1804
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 3: weeks or whatever is and then Slow Horses as well.

1805
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 3: Double where me of goodness coming at you? Now? If

1806
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 3: you are interested in the law and how teacunger is

1807
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 3: increasingly being argued in court, I've got an interesting example

1808
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 3: for you of it popping up again. This isn't the

1809
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 3: Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal has been hearing

1810
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 3: a suppression case that I am particularly interested in.

1811
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 5: It.

1812
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 3: It's the suppression of the man who has killed twice

1813
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 3: now and in both cases he's been found insane. So

1814
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 3: he killed once, then was found insane, then went about

1815
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 3: his life and more than two decades later, he's killed

1816
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 3: again and been found insane again. Now, his lawyer has

1817
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 3: argued in the Court of Appeal that his name should

1818
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: remain suppressed because of Tea Kanger. The lawyer brought in

1819
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 3: a teacunger expert who submitted that a suppression order should

1820
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 3: stay until the man is released because naming him would

1821
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 3: be too hard on his family because of tea hunger.

1822
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, don't ask me. I do not know

1823
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: how that is tea hunger, but apparently it is. The

1824
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Court of Appeal looked at that and went not didn't

1825
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: buy it at all, said, the public actually has a

1826
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 3: right to open justice, which basically trumps everything else in

1827
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 3: this case. And the public also has a right to

1828
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 3: know about the man's distressing history of violence, so that

1829
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: we are aware of the risks he made pose if

1830
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 3: he's ever released into the community again, which I think

1831
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 3: is fair enough, right, so that if his name is Bob,

1832
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 3: and then you see Bob coming down the street, you go, oh, geez,

1833
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 3: that's Bob. That's Bob who killed a person was found

1834
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 3: and saying killed another person was found in saying I

1835
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 3: might across the road. I think you have a right

1836
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 3: to know that anyway. As a result, name suppression was

1837
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: obviously declined, but it does stay in place because he's

1838
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 3: going to take his argument to the Supreme Court. By

1839
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 3: the looks of things, and the Supreme Court of all

1840
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 3: of the look of all of the courts, of all

1841
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 3: of the judges, the Supreme Court judges have been accused

1842
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 3: of being the most activist and the most interested in Teacunger,

1843
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 3: because if my memory serves me correctly, the Supreme Court

1844
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 3: is actually the court that introduced the concept of te

1845
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: kunger into law with the Peter Alice case in the

1846
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: first place. So they love a tea kanger argument. Tea

1847
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 3: kunger is turning into a very versatile argument by the way.

1848
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: It's been used now to try to keep a killer's

1849
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 3: name from the public because a tea Kunger. It's been

1850
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 3: used to give a gang patch back to a Mongrool

1851
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 3: mob member because of tea Kunger. And it's been used

1852
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 3: to argue that that Peter Alice has a defamation case

1853
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 3: essentially posthumously because of tea Kunger. So yeah, I mean,

1854
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 3: next time you're in court, try on a little bit

1855
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 3: of tea Kanger. Why not? You never know what's going

1856
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 3: to happen. I can still can't explain it to you though,

1857
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 3: sixteen away from seven, encouraging.

1858
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: The numbers and getting the results.

1859
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: It's Heather due for c Allen with the Business Hour

1860
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and Mas for Insurance Investments and QUI safer, You're in

1861
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 1: good hands.

1862
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 2: News Talks d B.

1863
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 3: This is debark a little bit of Hawaiian shirt. I

1864
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 3: need to talk you through right now. It's thirteen away

1865
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 3: from seven and Gavin Gray, are UK correspondent, is with me. Hello, Gavin,

1866
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 3: either had it?

1867
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 10: Oh?

1868
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 3: How excited are you guys about Donald and all of

1869
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 3: the fuss.

1870
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 23: Well, there will be a lot of fuss, a lot

1871
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 23: of pageantry, and of course they're really laying out the

1872
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 23: red carpet, both metaphorically and in reality as well. So

1873
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 23: Donald Trump to arrive at Windsor Castle and to meet

1874
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 23: King Charles the Third today.

1875
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 7: Now, the Queen Camilla.

1876
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 23: Did not attend the funeral of a relative yesterday, and

1877
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 23: that's because she's said to be still suffering a little

1878
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 23: bit of sinusitis. But nevertheless, a very big day, an

1879
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 23: unprecedented second state visit. They are doing all this pomp

1880
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 23: and sorry because they know Donald Trump loves this. They

1881
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 23: are desperate to try and have some good trade deals.

1882
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 23: We've already seen a number of very very large, multi

1883
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 23: billion ones announced by large American companies here in the UK.

1884
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 23: So that's what the Prime Minister wants, and I dare

1885
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 23: say that's what the country wants and needs. But already

1886
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 23: we're seeing slight alterations to the itinerary in that they

1887
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 23: are said, we're going to change the root of the process.

1888
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 23: We're going to change the root of this and that

1889
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 23: for security reasons. However, some are also saying, we note

1890
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 23: that that will also mean he's seen in public much

1891
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 23: much less and seen much further away by the public.

1892
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 23: And last night, Heather, it's the morning here of course

1893
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,799
Speaker 23: our time. Last night a huge image of Donald Trump,

1894
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 23: pictured next to Jeffrey Epstein, was beamed onto the walls

1895
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 23: of Windsor Castle by protesters.

1896
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,879
Speaker 3: Now, what is going on with this deal, this attempt

1897
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 3: by Stammer to eliminate the tariffs on the UK steal exports.

1898
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 3: Has he just given up on this.

1899
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 23: At the moment, Yes, it'd be wrong to say they've

1900
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 23: given up completely. But so as part of the pomp

1901
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 23: and pageantry, obviously the Prime Minister is going to be

1902
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 23: pressuring Donald Trump into hammering down the rest of the

1903
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 23: trade deal. Now, the UK and US signed a trade

1904
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 23: deal in June over numerous things, and the Prime Minister said,

1905
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 23: what an amazing win it was. Indeed that deal did

1906
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 23: rege use tariffs on car and aerospace imports, but it

1907
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 23: left British steel and steel exports into America with tariffs

1908
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 23: of twenty five percent. Now other countries face steel tariffs

1909
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 23: of fifty percent. So senior government sources said, well, it's.

1910
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,520
Speaker 7: Already very good, very competitive.

1911
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 23: But they had said it was coming down to zero

1912
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 23: and our Prime Minister, Secure Starma made.

1913
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 7: A big deal of that when it was announced.

1914
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 23: Well it hasn't come down to zero, and it looks

1915
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 23: like that that actual move is now basically on hold indefinitely.

1916
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 23: And so the hope that this might be actually notified

1917
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 23: and advertised here at this visit is now not going

1918
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 23: to happen. And the steel industry really on the ropes

1919
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:47,759
Speaker 23: here anyway, with the government now actually renational well getting

1920
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 23: close to renationalizing major parts of it.

1921
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 3: Interesting, Ok, you know what's happened to this one in

1922
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 3: one out? What if a migrant deal has this fallen?

1923
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:56,879
Speaker 3: The paddel really.

1924
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 23: Yeah, well it's one in and frank one staying at

1925
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 23: the moment, and that is because the very first were

1926
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 23: due to be sent back around about now, actually in

1927
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 23: the next hour or so under this one in, one

1928
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 23: out returns pilot scheme that was heralded again between the

1929
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 23: UK and France back in July. Now, one of the

1930
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 23: very first people on this trip, in fact potentially the first,

1931
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,440
Speaker 23: was an Eritrean man who arrived in the UK illegally

1932
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 23: by a small boat. Well, right as the deadline approached,

1933
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 23: he launched a legal challenge and the twenty five year

1934
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Speaker 23: old last night was mentioned at the High Court in London,

1935
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Speaker 23: with his lawyers arguing that he needed more time to

1936
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Speaker 23: present evidence set he might actually have been the victim.

1937
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Speaker 7: Of modern day slavery.

1938
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Speaker 23: Now, the problem was that he was already claiming that

1939
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Speaker 23: he wouldn't be safe in France. Well, I think the

1940
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 23: Home Office, our ministers here and the judge that would

1941
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Speaker 23: have been dismissed because why isn't France safe to him?

1942
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Speaker 7: You know, it's a safe country.

1943
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Speaker 23: However, he then argued in court as well or his

1944
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,959
Speaker 23: lawyers did, that he was a victim of modern day slavery,

1945
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Speaker 23: and even the Home Office has admitted in one department

1946
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 23: that he wouldn't be able to fight that properly and

1947
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Speaker 23: get evidence if he worked back in France. So guess what, Yep,

1948
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Speaker 23: it's being kicked into the semi long grass for expecting

1949
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Speaker 23: another decision in a fortnight. But what this does, of course, Heather,

1950
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 23: is that anyone now on that list of one on

1951
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Speaker 23: one out can suddenly say, oh, hang on a minute,

1952
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Speaker 23: I also might actually be a victim of modern day slavery,

1953
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Speaker 23: and that mean it's automatically extended. Further, there are people

1954
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Speaker 23: in this country, frankly aghast at all of this, and

1955
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Speaker 23: indeed the leader of the opposition said we told you so,

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Speaker 23: and he's calling for much tougher laws.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been incredibly frustrating, Gevin, Thanks so much, Gevin Gray, UK,

1958
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Speaker 3: corresponding here, the yes, tea Kanga is a moving feast.

1959
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Speaker 3: There is no definitive interpretation. How interesting right away from

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Speaker 3: seven it's.

1961
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Speaker 1: The hitherto per Se allan Drive full show podcast on

1962
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1963
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Speaker 3: An email from Robin saying, here, the last month I

1964
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 3: heard that in eighty percent of new builds, tradees are

1965
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 3: required to come back and fix their bolt shops, which

1966
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 3: are scary. Do you know what, Robin, I wonder if

1967
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 3: it talked about this on the show, Actually, do you

1968
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,799
Speaker 3: remember that. I think we had quite a fun interview

1969
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Speaker 3: with somebody about that where our minds were also being blown, Heather,

1970
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 3: the building industry needs a bigger reset. I have a

1971
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 3: seventy five square meter deck that has sagged. The builder liquidated,

1972
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 3: the company started a new company, Certified Builders. Insurance scheme

1973
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 3: went under, so we lost thousands of dollars. Guess who's

1974
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 3: paying to fix it?

1975
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Speaker 18: Me?

1976
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Speaker 3: No accountability. Well, there's your problem. There is a problem.

1977
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Speaker 3: There's the problem in the nutshell anyway. Listen, I've got

1978
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 3: a question for UK. Is an Hawaiian shirt ever ever

1979
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 3: a substitute for a normal shirt? The answer is no.

1980
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 3: In the UK, the chap who's the mayor of Henley

1981
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 3: wore a floral shirt to a prize giving event with

1982
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Speaker 3: the Royal Marines and the Army and the Air Cadets

1983
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 3: this month, and so there's photographs and it's not even

1984
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 3: just the Hawaiian shirt that was. He was wearing a

1985
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 3: short sleeved Hawaiian shirt, but then shorts and sneakers, so

1986
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 3: the whole with his merrial chains, whole thing is off.

1987
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Speaker 3: And then he's standing with all these beautiful people in uniform. Anyway,

1988
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Speaker 3: he's being ripped for it online, being accused of being disrespectful,

1989
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 3: told he's too casual. He's not sorry, he says there

1990
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 3: are way more important issues. Petty small town opinions and

1991
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: snippy social media trolling is power for the course when

1992
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 3: you are in the public eye, which just made me

1993
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 3: want to lean over and slap the one, didn't it you? Anyway,

1994
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Speaker 3: Hawaiian shirts are never okay for serious business. Right. You

1995
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 3: can chuck a jacket over it, chuck a pair of

1996
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 3: long pants on it improves the look somewhat, but a

1997
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 3: floral Hawaiian shirt is never a substitute for a real shirt.

1998
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Speaker 3: And I'm glad that we've settled that today. On the

1999
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Speaker 3: seventeenth of September, Libby.

2000
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Speaker 24: Got a bit of Elphin John for us tonight to

2001
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 24: take us out because he has revealed in a documentary

2002
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 24: that he made jewelry out of his knee caps.

2003
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Speaker 17: Weird.

2004
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Speaker 3: Can you please explain he had.

2005
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Speaker 24: A knee replacement, a double nee replacement last year. Yes,

2006
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 24: and then he took the knee caps and he turned

2007
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:58,560
Speaker 24: them into jewelry.

2008
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Speaker 3: Which jewels. I think he's made a necklace the sweat,

2009
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 3: and I'm.

2010
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Speaker 24: Guessing he's dipped them in gold, because the documentary is

2011
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Speaker 24: called Touched by Gold.

2012
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Speaker 3: I hope. So, I mean, this is really loving yourself,

2013
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 3: a like most of us will be, like, get rid

2014
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 3: of the kneecaps. I never want to hear. I've got

2015
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 3: new ones, but this is like special, It's a part

2016
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 3: of me. I shall make a drawl out of it.

2017
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Speaker 3: What a weird thing to do anyway, But then he

2018
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Speaker 3: has always been a bit strange and fun, isn't he.

2019
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Speaker 3: Thank you for that fact, Libby, See you tomorrow. News

2020
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Speaker 3: Talks EDB.

2021
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Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to

2022
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,720
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2023
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