1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Catherine Field. Greetings to you. Greetings to you too, mister Rutter. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: I quite like the cut of his jib. Is he 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: well regarded in his new role as NATO Secretary. 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: A lot of suspicion about him, really, Mike. You know, 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: let's not forget how he not so long ago called 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump daddy in various myths. So bit 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: is suspicion. I think a lot of that suspicion came 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: to the forefront just a couple of hours ago. He's 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: been having a meeting at the European Parliament with parliamentarians. 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: They specifically want to know what was the agreement he 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: made with Donald Trump last week at Davos that really 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: caused Trumps, as we think we saw, to pull back 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: from all those threats he made against Greenland. Well, he 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody what he said. He kept that very 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: much close to his chest. But what he did say, 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: and I think this probably stunned European parliamentarian's lot, was 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: he said, and I'm quoting here, if anyone here thinks 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: the European Union or Europe can defend itself without the US, 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: keep on dreaming. So he's made it pretty clear that 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: it might be nice to think that you can have 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: US without NATO, but he said, we can't do it. 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: And if you're complaining about five percent costs for defense, 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: he said, if the US moves out of NATO, you're 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: going to be looking at ten percent and you're also 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: going to lose the guarantee of the US nuclear umbrella. 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: But US is not moving out of Atlanta. I think 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: we learned that off for Greenland. Now that Greenland isn't 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: where it was this time last week, is the war 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: back or not? 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: Well, everyone's now back talking about Ukraine. Ukraine was what 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: was meant to be on the agenda last week at Davos. 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: So everyone's now picking up the pieces there. There's bits 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: and pieces going on, but no final indication that there's 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: going to be Putin's going to say, okay, that said 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to go home. The main thing is that 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: we've had over the last couple of days. You've had 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: two days of those trilateral talks in Abu Dhabi, very important, US, Ukraine, Russia. 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: They didn't really go in, but the fact they lasted 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: two days is being seen as constructive. Even though the 40 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: Crimin has said that there are still those famous territorial 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: issues to be decided on, but they've managed to get 42 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: since then, the Europeans and the Americans have managed to 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: get the security guarantees there that would be put in 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: place when the war comes to an end. So that 45 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: was quite important because it includes a lot of the 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: high tech mechanisms that the US are going to bring 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: to monitor a ceasefire, and of course that multinational force 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 2: that France and the UK would put in. So you're 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: a lot going on. And also the other key point 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: is those trilateral talks will recommence in the first of February. 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: Yes, do we read much into that? Are we bullish 52 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: about them? 53 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: We? Well, we're not really because at the end of 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: the day, they're talking about two different things. You know, 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: Russia is still saying we've got to talk about territory 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: and Ukraine is saying you've got to leave. 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the company that makes Macron's 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: glasses by the way, something real? 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: Yes, they have had an absolute flood of orders ever 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: since the President of the Republic glasses to cover up 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: that really ghastly eye condition. 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: Have you seen his eye condition? Is it ghastly? I 63 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: had one last year. 64 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: A week before he went to Davos, and that week 65 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: before he went to talk to the troops his annual 66 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: New Year message to the troops in the south of France, 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: and you could see that he'd had your birth blood 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: vessel and he apologized to them. I know it looks 69 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: awful and it feels really bad. 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: Well, see I had one last year and I turned 71 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: up to I didn't wear glasses doing this job, Catherine, 72 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: I just turned up. I carried on. 73 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: Well, he did the job. And listen everyone's talking. It's 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: been great for the company, French company. And apparently go 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: figure this he paid for them himself. He didn't put 76 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: on expenses. 77 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: No good on him. This under fifteen, the social media 78 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: band which Australia has led the world on. I think 79 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: UK is looking at something similar. Is this for real? 80 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: This is going to pass? And is it effective? Do 81 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: we know you? 82 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: Well, it looks as I will pass the debating it 83 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: in Parliament as we speak. It's on a fast track procedure, 84 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: so they could well have the vote within the next hour. 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: What we don't know is specifically is which sites it 86 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: will will be affected. It will then be up to 87 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: the media regulator to say we're assuming it's going to 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: have Snapchat TikTok those sorts of ones, and then there's 89 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: going to be another level, which are ones that need 90 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: parental consent, so they're the less harmful ones. Again, big 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: question is how do you verify age? 92 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: Very good? What do you do? 93 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: You put up a picture and then they leave it 94 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: to the algorithm to decide if you're aged fifteen or over. 95 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: Hey have you got a good seat at hok t 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: a week this week? Yeah? 97 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: Well I'm nowhere near the Beckhams, David Beckham and the Spice. 98 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: They arrived a couple of hours. No, and it's two 99 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: week this week. One of the things they're doing for 100 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: people like me who didn't make it into the ultra 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: select circle, they've got cinemas across Paris where you can 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: go and it will be live screen streamed on the 103 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: big screen, so it's always like being there. 104 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: All right, do you have a good time? Appreciate it. 105 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week, Catherine Field. The only other 106 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: thing I can tell you out of France this morning 107 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: is Thomas Cavill, who is French. He is a yachtsman 108 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: with six men on his boat, which is thirty two 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: meters long, in a thing called shedebo aultum three anyways, 110 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: one of the jewels. Vern The more important thing about 111 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: that is he set a new world record for sailing 112 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: around the world. He's done it in forty days. 113 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 114 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 115 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.