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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, is with us. Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon. You also think Richard Chambers looks like I.

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Speaker 2: Do, But Richard James has got gray hair, not blonde,

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Speaker 2: but flesh Gordon has.

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Speaker 3: You can sort of see him zapping.

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Speaker 2: Out there, can't you, and getting.

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Speaker 3: Rid of the criminals.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, like you mentioned here that he

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Speaker 2: was the favorite for frontline police, he's an old fashioned

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Speaker 2: type cop. Yeah, started his job in Evandale in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety six, so he hasn't been around all that long.

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Speaker 3: But nevertheless he's risen through the ranks.

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Speaker 2: As you said, he's worked an into pol And. Co

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six is thirty years Barry, Well, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem that long ago, not to you.

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Speaker 1: But I mean that's like a that's a decent chunk

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Speaker 1: of time.

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Speaker 3: To be in parliament for sixteen years. Carry on.

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Speaker 2: Any it's a critical role for the Coalition government because

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Speaker 2: you know they are really taking a hard line on crime,

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Speaker 2: so it's important they had a cop like this and

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Speaker 2: the top and Mark Mitchell, the Police ministery made it

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Speaker 2: quite clear that Andrew Costa wasn't the man for him

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Speaker 2: setting about a letter just after he became the minister,

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Speaker 2: saying what his expectations were. They obviously couldn't be met.

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Speaker 2: So Chambers was asked that hoary old question, does he

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Speaker 2: think the police need to be armed? Here's what he said.

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Speaker 4: I am a leader who would like to think. I think,

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Speaker 4: like many New Zealanders, that we don't find ourselves in

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Speaker 4: a situation as a country where poles are routinely armed.

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Speaker 4: I don't think any of us want or need that. However,

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Speaker 4: you know, policing globally is getting more volatile, it's getting

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Speaker 4: more unpredictable, and I am not going to shut down

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Speaker 4: listening to the reflections of my frontline staff in terms

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Speaker 4: of what they might think they need. It's obviously a

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Speaker 4: significant debate for our country. But I am open to

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Speaker 4: to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: See that's interesting because he's left the door open eyed.

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Speaker 3: Quite so.

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Speaker 2: I find that quite interesting. I'll tell you what, though,

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Speaker 2: Chambers will have to hit the ground running with the

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Speaker 2: crackdown on Gang's beginning at midnight tonight. Just to remind

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Speaker 2: listeners what it involves here is the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 5: Gang insignia will be banned in all public places, courts

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Speaker 5: will be able to issue non consorting.

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Speaker 3: Orders, and police will be able to.

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Speaker 5: Stop criminal gang members from associating and communicating. Greater weight

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Speaker 5: will also be given to gang membership at sentencing, enabling

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Speaker 5: courts to impose more severe punishments. Gangs aren't community groups.

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Speaker 5: They're not rotary. They thrive on destroying the lives of

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Speaker 5: other New Zealanders, whether that's by peddling drugs or through

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Speaker 5: brutal acts of violence that leave communities in fair We

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Speaker 5: promise to restore law and order and tomorrow police will

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Speaker 5: have more powers to do exactly that.

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Speaker 2: And the Commissioner says those powers they'll be using them

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Speaker 2: from midnight tonight.

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Speaker 1: Do you see Tzpatsi Maari has had no don't let

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Speaker 1: me finish as before we laugh, has later complained about

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Speaker 1: the speaker.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the poor little gendems. They had to reply to

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Speaker 3: the speaker today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether they have because the co leaders,

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Speaker 2: the young woman.

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Speaker 1: Who it's one tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow, I.

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Speaker 2: Had to reply, Oh tomorrow, it is, yes. But the

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Speaker 2: leaders say that they made a complaint over actions taken

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Speaker 2: by Jerry Browne. They said there was an estimate of

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Speaker 2: forty two thousand. That's the latest who knows what the

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Speaker 2: number was that culminated at Parliament deb and now Packer

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Speaker 2: says brownly over used his powers, going further than for

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Speaker 2: any other protest.

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Speaker 3: Give me break, think what did he do?

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Speaker 1: What did he do?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: Think back to Trippa Mallard and Sprinklers.

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Speaker 2: Co Covid and the something never mind that brings up

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Speaker 2: a did Jerry do?

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Speaker 3: Brings up an interesting point.

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Speaker 2: Well, he didn't allow the Multi party staff to give

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Speaker 2: the final water the protesters water. Yeah, well he should

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Speaker 2: have turned the sprinkles system on. Take a leaf out

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Speaker 2: of Mallard's book.

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Speaker 1: Us, it's not like it's a oasis a water desert

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Speaker 1: in Wellington. Go down the road and buy some.

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Speaker 3: Water, old boys across the road at the back bench

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Speaker 3: and one else.

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Speaker 2: He also prevented their access to the WiFi, so.

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Speaker 3: He blocked that usually data. But they couldn't.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't do their may when they had no internet access.

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Speaker 2: They tell them, so they've laid the complaint. I think

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Speaker 2: it'll be the speaker though, that will be complaining about

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Speaker 2: them before very long as you say.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, I mean, you cannot say that that is the

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Speaker 1: most egregious use of a speaker's power when we've only

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Speaker 1: just lived through trip. How great? Okat Barry, thanks very much.

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