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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from news talk ZEDB SO.

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Speaker 2: As mentioned a short time ago, Mitchell Sanna out for

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Speaker 2: seventy six New Zealand all out for three hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty seven batting first against England in Hamilton, having been

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Speaker 2: sent into bat three four seven. I'm not sure whether

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Speaker 2: you'd be happy with that or having been one forty

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Speaker 2: one for one, would you feel it's an opportunity lost.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in one of our leading sports writers, multi

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Speaker 2: award winner, editor of the superb subscriber newsletter The Bounce,

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Speaker 2: co host of the BYC podcast, Dylan Cleaver. Dylan, maybe

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Speaker 2: I'll just ask you that sent in, would you be

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Speaker 2: happy with three four seven or at one forty one

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Speaker 2: for one? Would you feel as though it is an

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Speaker 2: opportunity lost?

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Speaker 3: Yes, really curious one. You'd have to as a Black

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Speaker 3: Cats fan, you'd have to feel reasonably satisfied about being

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Speaker 3: sent in and ending up with three four seven, particularly

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Speaker 3: how the rest of the series has gone. But then

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Speaker 3: you look one o five without loss and you're thinking

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Speaker 3: cheaper that there's a four point fifty on here if

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Speaker 3: they get their heads down. So that middle section of

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Speaker 3: the innings was extremely disappointing, and in particular the modes

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Speaker 3: of dismissal were extremely disappointing. So on Ballance, I think

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Speaker 3: three four seven is slightly disappointing. But I go back

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Speaker 3: to that old old cricket cliche, which is you can

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Speaker 3: never tell the true nature of a wicket until both

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Speaker 2: All right, we're going to find that out in the

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Speaker 2: next few hours or so. You mentioned the middle order, Ravendra, Mitchell, Blundell, Phillips.

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Speaker 2: I think all got out to poor shot yesterday. What

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Speaker 2: did you make of their respective downfalls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I haven't done a better word for it

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Speaker 3: than you just mentioned, which is poor. I think there

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Speaker 3: And I guess the thing that was really disappointing about

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Speaker 3: particularly at one end. I think when you bowl from

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Speaker 3: So he stacked that off side field. He essentially put

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Speaker 3: a great wall of China off side field bowlers bled

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Speaker 3: a lot of whip balls, offering the black Cats the

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Speaker 3: just kept taking him up on the offer. I thought

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Speaker 3: Ratchenravender has had a I mean, he's an immense talent.

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Speaker 3: Here's the future. I don't want to take away from

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Speaker 3: that at all, but I think he's had a very

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Speaker 3: at decrease. He's been going out to poor shots. Daryl

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Speaker 3: Mitchell doesn't look quite the same player he did, even

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Speaker 3: sort of a twelve months ago blunded forms being the

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Speaker 3: World Documentaris, although he had that kind of cathartic sentry

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Speaker 3: Glen Phillip's chipping to deep point was perhaps the worst

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Speaker 3: the tail. But this was definitely an opportunity lost.

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Speaker 2: You said in your newsletter yesterday that these things are

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Speaker 2: always easier to say with the benefit of hindsight. But

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Speaker 2: you don't need to rewrite history to comes to the

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Speaker 2: conclusion that finding a place for Will Young from the

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Speaker 2: you went through the possibilities for how you could shoe

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Speaker 2: What did you make of Will Gang's batting yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Very pleasant, very well young. It's and I mean that

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Speaker 3: selling cricket, the high performance. I really do think he's

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Speaker 3: for a while. And that's another great way to play cricket.

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Speaker 3: When you look at the faith pulling other people, I

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Speaker 3: these extended cameos, he hasn't actually grasped that opportunity as

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Speaker 3: a genuinely good ballding nick to slip. And that happens

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Speaker 3: don't think it means it's ideal spot. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I certainly think there is, but as an opening bedder,

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Speaker 2: And this is as you say, we can't change the past,

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Speaker 2: That takes us through the Indian Series obviously, and the

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Speaker 2: you know, when Test cricket rolls around again, it'll all

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Speaker 2: To what middle of next year, I feel like Will

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Speaker 2: Young won't be in that team.

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Speaker 3: he's centrally contracted. He wants to play for New Zealand

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Speaker 3: It's not based on anything other than I kind of

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Speaker 3: This is at the end of a World Test Championship cycle.

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Speaker 3: They need to think ahead to the next World Tests

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Speaker 3: Championship cycle. The Conway Latham Partnership feels broken. It feels

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Speaker 3: irreparably broken. Again. I say this kind of untend to

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Speaker 2: It just occurred to me when I was at the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they will have definitely have plans for

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Speaker 3: him playing a big role in the third innings of

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Speaker 3: I thought Ben Stokes bowled some peerlas. I mean his figures.

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Speaker 2: How will you remember Tim Saudi as a Test cricketer.

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Speaker 3: I personally remember him as absolutely great, and maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: less as an absolute individual great, certainly as one half

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Speaker 3: thought the Saudi right arm or way swing from one

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Speaker 3: That's how I'll remember him. I remember him interestingly enough.

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Speaker 3: bardder The Black Cats taught to England in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and eight. I'm pretty sure I've got the date right there,

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Speaker 3: So that's a really awkward part of the analysis that

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Speaker 3: think at the moment we're looking too much at that

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Speaker 3: he'd laid for twelve years before before as I say,

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Speaker 3: this really awkward, painfully extracted goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very well said. And you're right about the dates too.

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Speaker 2: You've got the bang. On the middle of two thousand

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Speaker 2: New England. He played a Test at Lord's or we'll

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Speaker 2: back to this current one to finish Dyland England five

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Speaker 2: What what would be a good result at stumps today

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a good result for New Zealand would

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Speaker 3: be they've actually had some joy at getting wickets at

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Speaker 2: Best, mate. Cheers, Dylan Clever. There, Yeah, the Bounce, it's

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