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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 1: what of a Kind?

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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institutes on the huddle tonight,

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Speaker 2: Hey Tim, good afternoon, welcome back. Good to have you back.

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Speaker 2: And Craig Rennie is here as well, chief economist at

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Speaker 2: the c TOU, the Council of Trade Union's Craig good

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Speaker 2: evening to you. Thanks having me on, Great to have

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Speaker 2: you on. Can I just quickly get your reaction to

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Speaker 2: both of you to the fact that Auckland Council has

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Speaker 2: voted for eden Park two point one. I mean it

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything, like Tim doesn't mean anything because you

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Speaker 2: know they no one's putting any money in that they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's that's where you know the

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Speaker 3: money will explain just how much this is actually meaningful.

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Speaker 3: But I just want to push back against people complaining

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Speaker 3: about the seats at eden Park. You don't go to

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Speaker 3: eden Park to sit down. You get within a meter

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Speaker 3: and a half of the stage and you rock out.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to do something else, just go home.

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Speaker 2: Well, but what if you're watching cricket, Because we know

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Speaker 2: cricket can go on and on and on anyway, you.

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Speaker 4: Just started speaking another language, Ryan, Sorry.

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Speaker 2: Craig, Craig, what about you? I mean from a from

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Speaker 2: a funding point of view, it's a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: and you've got government doing phase one and then you've

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Speaker 2: got a PPT PPP doing Phase two and three.

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Speaker 5: And that's the real question is whether or not in

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Speaker 5: the PPP will be asked to put back even more

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Speaker 5: money in the future, and where any real guarantees for that,

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Speaker 5: and who fundamentally is going to pay it, because if

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Speaker 5: you're going to pay it, because the ticket prices start

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Speaker 5: to rise, because we have to pay for the venue,

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Speaker 5: it starts to become uneconomic really quickly. So, as Tim

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Speaker 5: has said, the proof will be in the pudding and

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Speaker 5: whether or not we can bring the pipeline of events

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Speaker 5: and guests and things to really pay for the program

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Speaker 5: that's actually being put up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Actually ticket price is pretty expensive or really, Chris Staple

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Speaker 3: for them five hundred bucks to stand.

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Speaker 2: Up, really to stand up, Yeah, to stand on the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sitting down on those g yeah ga,

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Speaker 2: you know, sloshing in the mosha. There's a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Tim and Craig will be back in just a moment

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Speaker 2: on the huddle, the huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's international realty, the ones with local and

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Speaker 1: global reach like you.

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Speaker 2: Again fourteen away from sexties Tooks. He'd bet Tim Wilson

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Speaker 2: and Craig Rennie on the huddle. This is what's his name? Stapleton?

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Speaker 2: Chris Stapleton, who Tim you said played at Eden Park?

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Speaker 2: Apparently he was at Spark.

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Speaker 3: I even said that explicitly. I just said ticket prices

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Speaker 3: were high.

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Speaker 4: You think I could run for Do you think I

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Speaker 4: could run for something?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, you could run for anything. Someone also says

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Speaker 2: Bollocks telled him it's two hundred and fifty five for

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Speaker 2: Chris Stapleton. I was standing. But that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: also doesn't mean that you're wrong, because there could have

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Speaker 2: been different prices, you know what I mean, depending on

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Speaker 2: when you bought them.

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Speaker 4: So just now keep telling me off Ryan it was

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Speaker 4: two fifty. It was two fifty for Luke Comb standing

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Speaker 4: up at Eden Park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was was a good gig though. Hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: I've had a couple of texts just in the last

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Speaker 2: minute saying for actually like a lot, saying you didn't

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Speaker 2: ask about the roof on the stadium. So just to

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Speaker 2: clarify the roof, So stage one is your seating for

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Speaker 2: Eden Park, Stage two is your accommodation. Stage three is

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Speaker 2: your roof. So you've got to get the PPP to

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Speaker 2: get your roof. That's the deal now, Tamitha, Paul Craig,

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Speaker 2: what's your feeling. I mean, obviously Hepkins feels like this

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Speaker 2: is just toxic, so he's running a country mile from

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Speaker 2: her putting the boot in. What's your feeling about how

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Speaker 2: it might affect the vote on the left.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to affect the Green vault

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Speaker 5: anytime soon. I mean, it's clearly bringing some really unfortunate

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Speaker 5: don't think anyone, including Tamitha, is really suggesting that we're

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Speaker 5: really going to defunding the police. This is being used

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Speaker 5: by the government essentially to help, you know, look away

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Speaker 5: about law and order. You know, they've promised five hundred

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Speaker 5: just been seized by them as just a as a

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Speaker 5: means of distracting attention from a whole bunch of statistics

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Speaker 5: that they don't really want to talk about in crime right.

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Speaker 2: Now, Tim, then how do you explain Chris Hipkins' response?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is he trying to distract from something too?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think I think it shows the sort

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Speaker 3: of labor issue, which is how do you be a

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Speaker 3: about the Greens, particularly the non mainstream aspect. And if

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Speaker 3: you think about you go back to what was it

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Speaker 3: late last year in Pea Green and Peak kaharrang Ikata

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Speaker 3: was saying in the house that most people would feel

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Speaker 3: more comfor the ball alone with the patch gang member

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Speaker 3: then police. So I think ten of the Paul's comments

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Speaker 3: on that spectrum they're actually pretty benign. I think it

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Speaker 3: does highlight though, an issue where Okay, so Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 3: and it might present some issues when Craig apparently is

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Speaker 3: going to run for the Wellington Central seat as predicted

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Speaker 3: by Audrey Young, Could you clarify that, Craig, I.

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Speaker 5: Can clarify Audrey is entitled to her opinion in that space.

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Speaker 4: But I'm here, is this an announcement?

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Speaker 5: It is definitely not an announcement. What I would say

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Speaker 5: is that you know, of course, the of course Chris

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Speaker 5: Hoppins is going to support the police and their space,

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Speaker 5: and I think that Labor Party's ever not supported the

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Speaker 5: regular increases to police funding and regular support for the

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Speaker 5: police are in the last government. So I don't think,

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Speaker 5: you know, Chris is seeing anything other than he would

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Speaker 5: have said if he was Prime Minister or if he

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Speaker 5: was anywhere else. All Right, it's a really unfortunate statement.

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Speaker 5: It's just being dragged and used for a different purpose.

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Speaker 2: Now, Craig, we were going to get to this, but

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Speaker 2: seen as you didn't quite answer the question would you

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Speaker 2: rule out running for Wellington Central? I mean, there's this

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Speaker 2: total bogus.

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Speaker 5: I'm not ruling running out for anywhere, are ruling in

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Speaker 5: running from anywhere? There's there's what there's eighteen months to

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Speaker 5: an election. It's not long now, it's it's five hundred

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Speaker 3: And if you know it that accurately, you are differently

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Speaker 3: running are counting.

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Speaker 5: I know it that accurately because we have to spend

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Speaker 5: every day campaigning between now and then in order to

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Speaker 5: meet show people know what this governments do it.

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Speaker 2: Come on, all right, let's move on. Judith Collins, she

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Speaker 2: actually this will be up. You're really too Craig, but

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Speaker 2: term Judith Collins was on the show tonight saying the

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Speaker 2: consultant spend is coming right down, but she's saying brace

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Speaker 2: for impact because we're going to do something about the

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Speaker 2: number ofblic servants that they're not the teachers and doctors,

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Speaker 2: but bureaucracy as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look because at the moment it's been a

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Speaker 3: levels as when Jacinda Don was Prime Minister. So there's

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Speaker 3: clearly work to be done. Just to note that eight

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Speaker 3: So let's let's say that's that's pretty good going.

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Speaker 2: God, that's a lot of money, isn't it. And I

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Speaker 2: mean it's not just our government to be fair. Governments

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Speaker 2: all over the world post COVID are dealing with a

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Speaker 2: huge increase in servicing costs because of the money that

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Speaker 2: we've borrowed. But that is something to behold. A one

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Speaker 2: month and one week will get you the eight hundred

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Speaker 2: Collins saying she's going to basically do some more cutting.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not surprising because they have and being able

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Speaker 5: to make any of their accounts add up. You know,

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Speaker 5: during the election campaign we said that they couldn't afford

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Speaker 5: and lo and behold, they borrowed more money at the

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Speaker 5: promised to deliver. So they're going to keep cutting. The

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Speaker 5: going to keep cutting. The key thing for me is

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Speaker 5: you say you're going to get rid of eight hundred

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Speaker 5: million dollars of consultants. Fine, does that mean that you're

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Speaker 5: just mean you're not doing work who's doing the work

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Speaker 5: And we know there are no shortage of problems, So

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Speaker 5: the real question is where are the consultants coming from.

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Speaker 5: Are they coming from the building of units of housing,

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Speaker 5: or are they coming from somewhere else? And Judith's been

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Speaker 5: from and importantly what those savings are being used for,

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Speaker 5: to have to keep cutting in the next budget if

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Speaker 5: they want to deliver more tax cuts, as their look

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Speaker 5: they seem to want to do on May twenty second.

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Speaker 2: Craig, it's a well polished it's a well polished pitch

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Speaker 2: for the Wellington Central voters. I have to say, well done.

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Speaker 3: The question the question with the public services is a

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Speaker 3: bigger public service, a better public service, and that's the

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Speaker 3: other question that we need to engage with absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Tim, thank you very much for coming on. Tim Wilson

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Speaker 2: Maxim Institute and to you Craig as well Craig A

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Speaker 2: and E chief economists at the councilor Trade Unions and

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Speaker 2: of course soon to be laboring peak well labor candidate.

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Speaker 2: Let's not give them that yet.

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Speaker 6: Motorway northbound between Spighetty junction and tristram av Andy Harward

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