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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talks by helping you get those DIY projects

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Speaker 1: done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp Call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth talksib.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the.

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Speaker 3: Yard, and even when the dog is too old to borrow,

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Speaker 3: and when you're sitting at the table trying not to

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Speaker 3: start ouse.

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Speaker 4: Scissor hole, even when we are band even when you're therellone.

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Speaker 3: House sizzle hole, even when those ghost when you got

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Speaker 3: around from the ones you love your most.

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Speaker 1: Scream does broken paints appeel in.

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Speaker 3: Front the word.

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Speaker 2: Locals vesper when they're gone and leaving neighbor house even

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Speaker 2: when wilbra ben, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 5: Well, a very very good morning and welcome along to

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Speaker 5: the Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Paid wolf Camp,

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Speaker 5: the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to kind

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Speaker 5: of chew the fat to gas away about something that

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Speaker 5: we're both interested in, which is building and building is maintenance.

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Speaker 5: Building is additions. Building is new buildings, obviously buildings materials.

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Speaker 5: Building is contractors. Building is rules, and building is tools

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Speaker 5: as well, And can I say I think I've calmed

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Speaker 5: down a little bit from earlier this week where I

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Speaker 5: saw an advertisement for a new tool that well, a

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Speaker 5: variation on an old tool, an ancient tool, possibly one

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Speaker 5: of the oldest tools most of us would have in

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Speaker 5: our toolbox, with a trumpeted announcement from the people that

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Speaker 5: developed this particular adaptation, extension, innovation of this ancient and

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Speaker 5: revered tool, which I was apoplectic with rage. Anyway, I'll

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Speaker 5: tell you a bit about that later on right now,

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Speaker 5: before I ran an rave on my own little hobby horse.

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Speaker 5: It's your opportunity to talk all things building and construction.

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Speaker 5: If you've got a question that's about the materials, about

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Speaker 5: the contractors, about the process, which bit do I have

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Speaker 5: to do before I do the next bit, or you know, pricing,

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Speaker 5: and there's just so much to talk about. There always is,

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Speaker 5: so I'm not going to constrain it. Good news is

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Speaker 5: I do have an update on an intriguing conversation we

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Speaker 5: had with a gentleman last week around condensation. This was

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Speaker 5: the theory that when you go into a bathroom, you

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Speaker 5: don't turn the fan on straight away. You turn on

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Speaker 5: the heater. I guess if you've got one, and then

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Speaker 5: you have your shower, and then once you finished with

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Speaker 5: the extraction. And there was part of that that kind

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Speaker 5: of went, yeah, I kind of get it, but I'm

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Speaker 5: not sure. Anyway, I said that I talked to an expert,

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Speaker 5: and I did so. I had a long conversation with

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Speaker 5: a hell of a lot about this particular topic. So

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Speaker 5: there is an update on that. I'll bring that to

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Speaker 5: you as well a little bit later on on the show. Today,

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Speaker 5: we obviously have a red climb passed from eight point

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Speaker 5: actually for Habitat for Humanity, is going to join me

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Speaker 5: in the studio. We spoke with Gosh I think it

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Speaker 5: time we had to catch up with him a little

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Speaker 5: bit about the work that habitat's doing a little bit

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Speaker 5: of congratulation. One of their developments or one of their

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Speaker 5: know a little bit more about that, and also some

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Speaker 5: of the innovation that they're starting to adopt in their

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Speaker 5: for all of us. So that's the show at the stage.

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Speaker 5: But the most important part of the show is you.

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Speaker 5: So if you have a question of a building nature,

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Speaker 5: you can call eight hundred and eighty T and eighty.

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Speaker 5: You can text nine to nine two if you'd wish,

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Speaker 5: that's zib z be from your mobile phone, and if

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Speaker 5: you'd like to send me an email, it's Pete at

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Speaker 5: newstalksib dot co dot inz so Pete p E t

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Speaker 5: to chatting with you this morning. Let's start with in

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Speaker 5: good morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Pete morning. I don't know if you can

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Speaker 6: solve this problem. I've quit on the ease on my porch.

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Speaker 6: I've got a light like a bunker light. I've had

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Speaker 6: it there for years. Yes, a year or so ago

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Speaker 6: well yesterday I didn't. I thought it was a bulb gone,

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Speaker 6: but it was full of water. Now, Oh, I can't

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Speaker 6: water may be getting in because it gets so tight

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Speaker 6: And unless it's on the roof and this is in

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Speaker 6: on the roof where two roofs join, and it's on

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Speaker 6: the porch in it uh, it's there was a bunker light.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's fully sealed. It's been there about. This

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Speaker 6: house is very old. It's about uh you know, built

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Speaker 6: know why it's And where's the water going if that's

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Speaker 6: fitting up in the porch, it's where the front door is.

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Speaker 6: It's filling up there. But how does it? How do

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Speaker 6: I fix it? Less on the roof the roof.

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Speaker 5: Just give given its location. When it rains and it's

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Speaker 5: know if it if it if it rains, does the

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Speaker 5: if it was halfway down the house on the weatherboards,

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Speaker 5: you'd go, Okay, when it rains, it's going to get wet.

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Speaker 5: But is it tucked up underneath sort of theft or

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Speaker 6: It's tucked on the underneath the porch on.

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Speaker 5: The ceiling part of that, yes, okay, yeah, Well then

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Speaker 5: I think the logical conclusion is that there is a

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Speaker 5: means it's the water is tracking along through whatever the

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Speaker 6: It I would imagine you know, the seeding will be at.

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Speaker 5: What I would Well, obviously it's electrical electricity and water

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Speaker 5: not a great accommodation. So i'd probably look at at

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Speaker 5: on and cause some sort of potential for electrocution. You

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Speaker 5: any evidence of water getting into that area. So if

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Speaker 5: mold growth or some of the supporting timber above it

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Speaker 5: which case then it's plumber roofer to come and sort

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Speaker 5: out that roof leak. Certainly, I probably wouldn't. I certainly

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Speaker 5: wouldn't encourage you to turn the light on anymore if

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Speaker 6: Like you say, I've taken it completely off. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I take it down. I've broken the glass now cover I.

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Speaker 5: I suspect it's a roof leak. Take it down, see

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Speaker 5: whether or not. What would be interesting is if you

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Speaker 5: take it. Have you taken it down and removed it

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Speaker 6: No, there's no, I've only just the it's a glass

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Speaker 6: cover over it and I've taken that, as I say,

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Speaker 6: I've broken and it's it's there now. It's just got

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Speaker 6: the even took of the bowl about and it's right.

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Speaker 6: It's just it shows the fitting.

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Speaker 5: That's all.

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Speaker 6: There's okay at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know I was going to say, you know

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Speaker 5: that even the fitting should have like a water proof

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Speaker 5: seal around it as well, but then that's designed really

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Speaker 5: to stop Yeah, you shouldn't rely on that to stop

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Speaker 5: the water getting in because the water shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 5: Water shouldn't be floating around on the safe. I think

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Speaker 5: it's going to be a roof leak and then it's

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Speaker 5: plumber or roof has come and identify that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I gathered that. I just just thought I could

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Speaker 6: get thinking about it. It's too now and the eaves

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Speaker 6: you can't get it.

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Speaker 5: It's a challenge. Yeah, and oh no, how old is

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Speaker 6: Oh sixty years but I've just had it repainted and

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Speaker 6: new guttering and some sheets replaced on the roof as well.

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Speaker 6: But as I mean, it's the it's right. That porch

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Speaker 6: so the water be coming down heavy there and we've

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Speaker 6: got the chimney not nearby, and I just wondered any

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Speaker 6: excess water because it's weird. Where's the water going in?

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Speaker 6: Is it going towards the chimney and getting out there?

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Speaker 6: That worries as well. If water is getting in, where's

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, And I guess the other concern Ian is

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Speaker 5: if you've had work done recently, like to replace a

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Speaker 5: couple of sheets and that sort of thing, have they

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Speaker 5: actually caused a leak rather than you know, fixed the leak.

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Speaker 5: So you've always got to be a little bit cautious

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Speaker 5: around if you've had work done and then you've got

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Speaker 5: an unintended consequence. But I think a good quality roof

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Speaker 5: for to come and sort that out is the way forward.

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Speaker 5: All the very best, take care to you, all the best,

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, take care your news talks. You'd

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Speaker 5: be if you've got a question of a building nature

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Speaker 5: or in this case sort of like a maintenance. I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to pretend that I'm going to do your

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Speaker 5: electricals for you. That is best left to the professionals.

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Speaker 5: But something like this where there's obviously water and then

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Speaker 5: there's that unintended consequence too, So someone. Oh gosh, we

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Speaker 5: had in another story this week of a contractor who

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Speaker 5: has been in the habit of sort of, you know,

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Speaker 5: taking deposits, doing shoddy work, never coming back in some

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Speaker 5: cases taking deposits and never doing any work at all,

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Speaker 5: in some cases turning up starting the job. And then

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Speaker 5: you know, it's a fairly well known modus operandi. Let's

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Speaker 5: say where someone goes right, I'm going to start the job.

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Speaker 5: I get a hefty deposit, which I think I'm always

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Speaker 5: a little bit cautious about a hefty deposit, followed by

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Speaker 5: sort of an immediate progress payment. Right, I've been here

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Speaker 5: for a couple of days. Now you need to pay

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Speaker 5: me another thirty percent of the value of the job,

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Speaker 5: and then often never to be seen again. So there

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Speaker 5: was a couple of those stories in the paper. And

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Speaker 5: if in this instance a rufer has turned up, maybe

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Speaker 5: they've they've moved a couple of sheets and they might

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Speaker 5: have actually caused a leak rather than actually solved. One

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Speaker 5: oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 5: to call. We'll we'll take your calls. Remember today on

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Speaker 5: They'd be lines are open for you right now, spare

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Speaker 8: Good morning. So I got a horrible voice, but I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, making the pence. Good of you to

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Speaker 5: My mind is wandering, to be fair, because I was

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Speaker 5: ipa or something like that. Right, A quick one on

429
00:24:56,215 --> 00:24:58,175
Speaker 5: the hinges as well. Tap the hinge on the side

430
00:24:58,495 --> 00:25:01,055
Speaker 5: and on the other side, so like tap the hinge

431
00:25:01,255 --> 00:25:03,615
Speaker 5: near the knuckle, let's say, or if you can near

432
00:25:03,655 --> 00:25:06,815
Speaker 5: the the flange part of it, this will break the

433
00:25:06,855 --> 00:25:09,575
Speaker 5: screws hold on the hinge and then you take the

434
00:25:09,615 --> 00:25:15,415
Speaker 5: screw out ches from Pete. Makes sense, Thank you for that, Pete.

435
00:25:15,455 --> 00:25:15,895
Speaker 9: That's great.

436
00:25:15,935 --> 00:25:21,095
Speaker 5: Margaret's good morning to you. Yep, go for it.

437
00:25:21,295 --> 00:25:26,895
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, good morning. A couple of weeks ago,

438
00:25:27,015 --> 00:25:31,255
Speaker 10: we were listening and heard a guy talking about a

439
00:25:31,255 --> 00:25:36,815
Speaker 10: product that was he used to protect his tools. Yes,

440
00:25:37,975 --> 00:25:41,455
Speaker 10: and he also used it on his aluminum windows.

441
00:25:41,815 --> 00:25:42,055
Speaker 5: Yes.

442
00:25:43,495 --> 00:25:48,895
Speaker 10: And we've got a place at Peter and of course

443
00:25:48,975 --> 00:25:51,975
Speaker 10: the aliminum windows out there get a lot of beating

444
00:25:52,095 --> 00:25:53,695
Speaker 10: from the Sultan.

445
00:25:53,975 --> 00:25:54,695
Speaker 11: See.

446
00:25:55,735 --> 00:26:01,055
Speaker 10: And we're interested in this product, but we couldn't remember.

447
00:26:00,775 --> 00:26:04,415
Speaker 5: The numb the name of it, okay, so the I'm

448
00:26:04,455 --> 00:26:10,815
Speaker 5: pretty sure that it was penetrol, so pn trol, penny

449
00:26:10,895 --> 00:26:16,215
Speaker 5: trol penetrol. Yep, you can get it at most large

450
00:26:16,255 --> 00:26:19,375
Speaker 5: hardware stores. Certainly I did. I went and bought some

451
00:26:19,775 --> 00:26:24,575
Speaker 5: after that conversation. So you can imagine after doing a

452
00:26:24,575 --> 00:26:26,095
Speaker 5: show like this for a couple of hours on a

453
00:26:26,135 --> 00:26:28,375
Speaker 5: Sunday morning, I end up with like a little shopping list.

454
00:26:28,975 --> 00:26:31,735
Speaker 5: So it is not uncommon to find me at a

455
00:26:32,255 --> 00:26:35,415
Speaker 5: one of the larger hardware stores that's open on a

456
00:26:35,495 --> 00:26:39,295
Speaker 5: Sunday at around nine point fifteen after finishing here on

457
00:26:39,375 --> 00:26:41,335
Speaker 5: the show, I'm off doing a little bit of shopping.

458
00:26:41,335 --> 00:26:44,255
Speaker 5: On the way home. Anyway, I found some penetrol. I

459
00:26:44,495 --> 00:26:47,375
Speaker 5: used it on an old vice that I had done

460
00:26:47,415 --> 00:26:49,415
Speaker 5: some work on to get it working and cleaned it

461
00:26:49,535 --> 00:26:51,495
Speaker 5: up and so on, and I just wanted a protective

462
00:26:51,575 --> 00:26:55,295
Speaker 5: coating over the beer metal, and it looked to date

463
00:26:55,495 --> 00:26:58,295
Speaker 5: seems to have worked really well. I haven't used it

464
00:26:58,535 --> 00:27:02,775
Speaker 5: on aluminium jewnery would. I understand that you can use

465
00:27:02,815 --> 00:27:05,175
Speaker 5: it on that, but because I haven't done it, I'd

466
00:27:05,215 --> 00:27:07,335
Speaker 5: advise a little bit of care. So if you were

467
00:27:07,415 --> 00:27:10,295
Speaker 5: going to use it to apply a protective coating or

468
00:27:10,335 --> 00:27:12,855
Speaker 5: something like that, i'd do it in a have a

469
00:27:12,935 --> 00:27:16,975
Speaker 5: test somewhere in an area that maybe is not noticeable,

470
00:27:17,055 --> 00:27:18,655
Speaker 5: or around the back of the house or something like that,

471
00:27:19,495 --> 00:27:21,415
Speaker 5: but I've heard a number of people say that it

472
00:27:21,535 --> 00:27:23,735
Speaker 5: is quite effective for that, but I haven't had a

473
00:27:23,815 --> 00:27:27,975
Speaker 5: chance to do that myself. And bearing in mind there

474
00:27:28,015 --> 00:27:31,495
Speaker 5: are also sort of aftermarket coatings that you can have applied,

475
00:27:31,575 --> 00:27:33,895
Speaker 5: but that's not quite the same as a DIY.

476
00:27:33,575 --> 00:27:37,495
Speaker 10: Solution, that's right, and be more expensive, of course.

477
00:27:37,375 --> 00:27:40,415
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, of course, So it's an option, but

478
00:27:40,495 --> 00:27:44,335
Speaker 5: I you know, have a test before you just spray

479
00:27:44,375 --> 00:27:46,495
Speaker 5: it all over the place. You can get it as

480
00:27:46,535 --> 00:27:49,535
Speaker 5: a brush on or a spray application. I understand.

481
00:27:51,215 --> 00:27:52,135
Speaker 10: Oh that's wonderful.

482
00:27:52,935 --> 00:27:56,495
Speaker 5: Little All the very best you nice to chat, take care.

483
00:27:58,455 --> 00:28:01,135
Speaker 5: Quick text from Calvin as well, Pete. I've got a

484
00:28:01,175 --> 00:28:04,095
Speaker 5: dechromatic tile roof. It is still the original from the

485
00:28:04,175 --> 00:28:06,815
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy six house. It has been re painted five

486
00:28:06,895 --> 00:28:08,735
Speaker 5: years ago, but the rust is starting to show a

487
00:28:08,775 --> 00:28:11,135
Speaker 5: lot again. How much longer do you think I have

488
00:28:11,295 --> 00:28:13,215
Speaker 5: left until I need to replace it? There are no

489
00:28:13,375 --> 00:28:16,455
Speaker 5: obvious leaks at the moment. She is from Calvin. I mean,

490
00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:18,975
Speaker 5: look it's done well. It's it's coming up to fifty years,

491
00:28:19,055 --> 00:28:23,375
Speaker 5: isn't it for your roof? So you know, building code

492
00:28:23,455 --> 00:28:27,215
Speaker 5: requirement is that you have a minimum durability of fifteen years.

493
00:28:28,535 --> 00:28:31,735
Speaker 5: A manufacturer might be confident in saying it's going to

494
00:28:31,855 --> 00:28:34,095
Speaker 5: take about you know, it'll last for twenty five years.

495
00:28:34,375 --> 00:28:36,415
Speaker 5: So the fact that you're at fifty says that it

496
00:28:36,575 --> 00:28:42,135
Speaker 5: has done. It has performed over and above expectation. I mean,

497
00:28:42,175 --> 00:28:45,095
Speaker 5: if it's not leaking and it happens to be rusty,

498
00:28:45,335 --> 00:28:47,575
Speaker 5: it's not the end of the world. But I think

499
00:28:47,655 --> 00:28:50,135
Speaker 5: that certainly in the next five years you would probably

500
00:28:50,255 --> 00:28:53,135
Speaker 5: say I need to replace the roof, but it's done.

501
00:28:53,215 --> 00:28:55,775
Speaker 5: You well, Oh eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty is

502
00:28:55,855 --> 00:28:57,415
Speaker 5: that number to call? Take a short break. We'll have

503
00:28:57,455 --> 00:28:59,055
Speaker 5: a chat with Mary after the break.

504
00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:02,055
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fens, or wondering

505
00:29:02,135 --> 00:29:04,175
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

506
00:29:04,295 --> 00:29:07,975
Speaker 1: wolf Caper call on, oh, eight hundred eighty, the resident

507
00:29:08,055 --> 00:29:09,215
Speaker 1: builder on youth dogs.

508
00:29:11,575 --> 00:29:14,695
Speaker 5: Oh just sorry, it's not going to be merry, It's

509
00:29:14,695 --> 00:29:16,175
Speaker 5: going to be great. We'll do that first, and then

510
00:29:16,215 --> 00:29:18,335
Speaker 5: I've got an interesting text from Owen about this whole

511
00:29:19,095 --> 00:29:21,095
Speaker 5: getting rid of stubborn screws.

512
00:29:21,175 --> 00:29:21,415
Speaker 9: Great.

513
00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:25,135
Speaker 12: Good morning to you, Yes, good morning, Peter. Hey, just

514
00:29:26,175 --> 00:29:29,055
Speaker 12: yes you likewise, just following up on a caller that

515
00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:30,975
Speaker 12: you had last week. You sounded like a bit of

516
00:29:31,015 --> 00:29:34,375
Speaker 12: a professor. He was talking about steam in the bathroom

517
00:29:34,415 --> 00:29:36,335
Speaker 12: and how to eliminate it by running a heater.

518
00:29:37,215 --> 00:29:37,815
Speaker 13: Well, guess what.

519
00:29:38,935 --> 00:29:42,175
Speaker 12: So I've got a reasonable sized bathroom, a double sync

520
00:29:42,415 --> 00:29:46,575
Speaker 12: and a and a fully tiled shower with a extractor fan,

521
00:29:47,255 --> 00:29:49,775
Speaker 12: and normally I open the windows and I get quite

522
00:29:49,775 --> 00:29:52,615
Speaker 12: a bit of steaming, and the extractor fan does it's

523
00:29:52,655 --> 00:29:54,735
Speaker 12: best to get the steam out, and then I run

524
00:29:54,775 --> 00:29:58,855
Speaker 12: the heater. Well, I reversed the scenario. Closed all the windows, Yes,

525
00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:05,575
Speaker 12: ran the fan heater. Unbelievable ninety five to ninety reduction

526
00:30:05,735 --> 00:30:06,175
Speaker 12: in steam.

527
00:30:07,215 --> 00:30:11,135
Speaker 5: Fantastic. This is also so door.

528
00:30:11,015 --> 00:30:15,535
Speaker 12: Closed, yes, windows closed, Yes, tractor fan running, fan heater

529
00:30:15,735 --> 00:30:19,375
Speaker 12: on the wall running. The only steam that I now

530
00:30:19,495 --> 00:30:23,215
Speaker 12: get is just actually in the shower proper, and it's

531
00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:27,735
Speaker 12: ninety percent reduced. You said you were going to go

532
00:30:27,815 --> 00:30:29,175
Speaker 12: and talk to which I did.

533
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:30,015
Speaker 9: Which I did.

534
00:30:30,095 --> 00:30:32,175
Speaker 5: So I had a long conversation with Storm while I

535
00:30:32,335 --> 00:30:36,575
Speaker 5: was painting in the workshop the other day. Explain the

536
00:30:36,615 --> 00:30:39,495
Speaker 5: scenario exactly as you've described it, right, So the theory

537
00:30:40,215 --> 00:30:43,815
Speaker 5: from the caller, I'll find out.

538
00:30:48,015 --> 00:30:50,215
Speaker 12: His theory was, if you heat the air, the steam

539
00:30:50,335 --> 00:30:52,055
Speaker 12: can't put Jim just after.

540
00:30:51,935 --> 00:30:53,895
Speaker 5: The seven o'clock news, So Jim rings and he goes.

541
00:30:53,975 --> 00:30:55,775
Speaker 5: What you do is you don't turn the fan on

542
00:30:55,855 --> 00:30:58,335
Speaker 5: straight away, you turn the heater on, You raise the

543
00:30:58,415 --> 00:31:00,615
Speaker 5: temperature in the room. You have your shower with just

544
00:31:00,735 --> 00:31:02,775
Speaker 5: the heater on, and then when you finish the shower,

545
00:31:02,815 --> 00:31:06,135
Speaker 5: you turn the extractor on. Right, That was the theory.

546
00:31:06,735 --> 00:31:13,495
Speaker 5: So the science behind it is around essentially where condensation collects, right,

547
00:31:14,015 --> 00:31:16,375
Speaker 5: And you will have more condensation when you have a

548
00:31:16,535 --> 00:31:21,535
Speaker 5: cold surface and warm moist air. So the warm moist

549
00:31:21,575 --> 00:31:26,015
Speaker 5: air will congeal or stick to a cold surface. So

550
00:31:26,095 --> 00:31:29,575
Speaker 5: if you raise the surface temperature of the interior of

551
00:31:29,695 --> 00:31:33,735
Speaker 5: the bathroom, you will see less steam because it won't

552
00:31:33,895 --> 00:31:37,575
Speaker 5: condensate onto the wall surface. That's the science behind it.

553
00:31:38,495 --> 00:31:40,415
Speaker 5: And Storm was quite good in the sense that of

554
00:31:40,575 --> 00:31:42,735
Speaker 5: just saying, look, if it have a go and if

555
00:31:42,775 --> 00:31:43,975
Speaker 5: it works, then that's great.

556
00:31:44,255 --> 00:31:44,415
Speaker 11: Right.

557
00:31:45,775 --> 00:31:49,215
Speaker 5: That's not saying that extractors are not important, because I

558
00:31:49,295 --> 00:31:52,335
Speaker 5: would imagine in your instance, this can be your next experiment.

559
00:31:52,815 --> 00:31:56,295
Speaker 5: Let's say you went in, closed the window, closed the door,

560
00:31:57,415 --> 00:32:00,935
Speaker 5: turn the heater on, had a shower, but didn't turn

561
00:32:01,015 --> 00:32:04,415
Speaker 5: the extractor on at all. Whether you would find that

562
00:32:04,535 --> 00:32:07,895
Speaker 5: you would have condensation in the bar. So the extractor

563
00:32:07,975 --> 00:32:12,135
Speaker 5: is still doing something. But look, it's one of those things.

564
00:32:12,215 --> 00:32:15,455
Speaker 5: If it works, that's great, and there is seemingly a

565
00:32:15,495 --> 00:32:18,735
Speaker 5: bit of science behind it. But let's not get into

566
00:32:18,775 --> 00:32:21,015
Speaker 5: the situation where we think that just by heating the

567
00:32:21,175 --> 00:32:25,535
Speaker 5: room that's taking control of the moist air that collects

568
00:32:25,575 --> 00:32:27,935
Speaker 5: in the bathroom. I think you do still need extraction.

569
00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:33,095
Speaker 5: Where you put the extractor is also kind of important

570
00:32:33,255 --> 00:32:37,935
Speaker 5: in terms of encouraging the warm air, warm moist air

571
00:32:37,975 --> 00:32:41,215
Speaker 5: that you've created in the shower to get to the extractor.

572
00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:43,975
Speaker 5: So if you're where the air comes into the room

573
00:32:44,655 --> 00:32:48,175
Speaker 5: goes directly to the extractor and doesn't collect up that

574
00:32:48,335 --> 00:32:51,375
Speaker 5: moisture from the shower, that will be less effective than

575
00:32:51,775 --> 00:32:54,895
Speaker 5: if the pathway between air coming in and ear going

576
00:32:54,975 --> 00:32:58,615
Speaker 5: out intersects with the moisture from the shower, that will

577
00:32:58,655 --> 00:33:01,255
Speaker 5: be better. That was another part of the theory.

578
00:33:04,335 --> 00:33:08,615
Speaker 12: Yeah, so I tried methodologies, right, And just to be clear,

579
00:33:08,935 --> 00:33:14,415
Speaker 12: I was running the extractor van which is in the shower. Yes,

580
00:33:14,975 --> 00:33:19,375
Speaker 12: no steam. It's just unbelievable. And I've used that heater

581
00:33:19,495 --> 00:33:22,135
Speaker 12: for years, but only after I get out of the shower,

582
00:33:23,615 --> 00:33:25,535
Speaker 12: I now reverse the procedure.

583
00:33:25,975 --> 00:33:28,695
Speaker 11: It's such a miracle because that was the.

584
00:33:28,735 --> 00:33:30,735
Speaker 5: Other question I had for Gym last week, is you

585
00:33:30,815 --> 00:33:36,215
Speaker 5: know that that assumes that the air temperature outside of

586
00:33:36,295 --> 00:33:42,175
Speaker 5: the bathroom, let's say, is actually considerably cooler. So you know, if,

587
00:33:42,255 --> 00:33:46,335
Speaker 5: for example, your house doesn't get up to sixteen eighteen

588
00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:49,815
Speaker 5: degrees and it happens to be really cold, then yes,

589
00:33:49,975 --> 00:33:53,375
Speaker 5: when you turn the extractor on and you're drawing air in,

590
00:33:54,015 --> 00:33:58,055
Speaker 5: it will draw coldier in. But if it's not coldier outside,

591
00:33:58,095 --> 00:34:00,775
Speaker 5: so your house is maybe well insulated and well heated,

592
00:34:01,215 --> 00:34:04,415
Speaker 5: and it's eighteen degrees or nineteen degrees outside in the

593
00:34:04,495 --> 00:34:07,735
Speaker 5: hallway adjacent to the bathroom, then the impact will be

594
00:34:07,855 --> 00:34:11,575
Speaker 5: less because it's not actually colder that's coming in. I'm

595
00:34:11,655 --> 00:34:14,695
Speaker 5: curious when you said you close the window and close

596
00:34:14,815 --> 00:34:18,815
Speaker 5: the door, do you still have a sufficient gap under

597
00:34:18,855 --> 00:34:21,815
Speaker 5: the door to allow air to enter the room, because

598
00:34:21,815 --> 00:34:23,695
Speaker 5: if you're extracting it, it's got to be able to

599
00:34:23,775 --> 00:34:25,495
Speaker 5: come in, otherwise you're creating a vacuum.

600
00:34:26,615 --> 00:34:26,815
Speaker 6: Yeah.

601
00:34:26,855 --> 00:34:29,215
Speaker 12: So we're talking about a really modern house. It's a

602
00:34:29,335 --> 00:34:33,615
Speaker 12: GJ house of ten years old, brick, fully insulated. The

603
00:34:33,775 --> 00:34:38,815
Speaker 12: shower is on an outside wall, so normally, and it's

604
00:34:38,855 --> 00:34:43,175
Speaker 12: got three windows, so it's got a tiny little window

605
00:34:43,335 --> 00:34:46,295
Speaker 12: in the shower itself, it's got a window adjacent to that,

606
00:34:46,495 --> 00:34:49,615
Speaker 12: and then another window in the toilet, and so I've

607
00:34:49,655 --> 00:34:52,575
Speaker 12: had all of those windows shut, yes, and with the

608
00:34:52,695 --> 00:34:55,975
Speaker 12: door shut, there would only be just the smallest gap

609
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:59,455
Speaker 12: because outside the bathroom, which is tiled, it's carpet, so

610
00:34:59,575 --> 00:35:02,815
Speaker 12: the very little air can come from under the door. So, yeah,

611
00:35:03,175 --> 00:35:08,495
Speaker 12: where is the air coming from that I'm extracting, It's.

612
00:35:08,415 --> 00:35:12,095
Speaker 5: Coming from underneath the door. And if that's restricting the

613
00:35:12,175 --> 00:35:14,055
Speaker 5: amount of air. So if the amount of air that's

614
00:35:14,135 --> 00:35:17,935
Speaker 5: going out from the extractor, and that should be calculated

615
00:35:18,015 --> 00:35:20,295
Speaker 5: on the actual device itself, it'll tell you what the

616
00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:24,855
Speaker 5: flow rate is, right, if that is more than the

617
00:35:24,935 --> 00:35:27,255
Speaker 5: amount of air that can come into the room, then

618
00:35:27,335 --> 00:35:30,815
Speaker 5: the fan will be less effective. So I had to

619
00:35:30,935 --> 00:35:34,215
Speaker 5: replace the bathroom fan at my own house, right, so

620
00:35:34,295 --> 00:35:37,215
Speaker 5: in the main bathroom, and I noticed that if the

621
00:35:37,295 --> 00:35:39,135
Speaker 5: door is open and the fan is on, when I

622
00:35:39,335 --> 00:35:44,895
Speaker 5: close the door, I can hear the fan basically straining

623
00:35:44,975 --> 00:35:47,575
Speaker 5: to or it just there's a change in sound, right,

624
00:35:47,695 --> 00:35:49,935
Speaker 5: So it makes a difference whether the door is open

625
00:35:50,095 --> 00:35:53,215
Speaker 5: or closed, and there is a gap underneath the door,

626
00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:55,815
Speaker 5: but I'm very tempted to make that gap a little

627
00:35:55,855 --> 00:35:58,735
Speaker 5: bit bigger because I think that will make the fan

628
00:35:58,895 --> 00:35:59,535
Speaker 5: more effective.

629
00:36:00,735 --> 00:36:00,935
Speaker 6: Yep.

630
00:36:01,535 --> 00:36:05,335
Speaker 12: So in regards to that, it's just a goldier hibble

631
00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:11,775
Speaker 12: heated fan that's almost at ceiling height and it's absolutely transformational.

632
00:36:11,855 --> 00:36:12,935
Speaker 12: So I just sort of passed that on.

633
00:36:13,135 --> 00:36:15,855
Speaker 5: I really appreciate that this is this is citizen science,

634
00:36:15,895 --> 00:36:19,015
Speaker 5: as would say, this is you and I having to

635
00:36:19,055 --> 00:36:24,495
Speaker 5: go at thermodynamics. A brilliant, brilliant Thanks Gret, all the best,

636
00:36:24,655 --> 00:36:27,255
Speaker 5: take care. Just a note too, because this has been

637
00:36:27,335 --> 00:36:31,015
Speaker 5: a sort of long running public service announcement. There is

638
00:36:31,095 --> 00:36:35,535
Speaker 5: a brand of wall heaters called Serene so S E

639
00:36:35,895 --> 00:36:39,375
Speaker 5: R E n E Serene heaters which have been known

640
00:36:39,975 --> 00:36:44,775
Speaker 5: to cause fires. Right, there's been any number of warnings

641
00:36:44,855 --> 00:36:47,575
Speaker 5: to people to say, if you've got one, remove it,

642
00:36:49,255 --> 00:36:52,655
Speaker 5: and I noticed that they must have been very popular

643
00:36:52,735 --> 00:36:55,335
Speaker 5: for a while. So if you have or you see

644
00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:58,295
Speaker 5: a Serene wall heater, it's like a little fan heater,

645
00:36:59,215 --> 00:37:00,455
Speaker 5: don't use it. Remove it.

646
00:37:01,415 --> 00:37:01,855
Speaker 6: They are.

647
00:37:03,335 --> 00:37:05,735
Speaker 5: It's no other way of putting it. They're just dangerous, right,

648
00:37:05,895 --> 00:37:11,615
Speaker 5: So move it. Mary, Hello to you, Hi, it's.

649
00:37:11,455 --> 00:37:15,015
Speaker 14: Interesting listening to your wall heater fan situation.

650
00:37:15,495 --> 00:37:15,895
Speaker 5: Serious.

651
00:37:16,615 --> 00:37:19,695
Speaker 14: My electrician turned out out of the blue one day

652
00:37:19,735 --> 00:37:22,655
Speaker 14: and he said, come to check your war heater. Sure

653
00:37:22,655 --> 00:37:26,215
Speaker 14: it's not that brand, good good, And so he was

654
00:37:26,295 --> 00:37:30,415
Speaker 14: quite happy with that. But with your heat thing, I

655
00:37:30,535 --> 00:37:33,735
Speaker 14: always heat the bathroom first. I've got an old nineteen

656
00:37:33,775 --> 00:37:38,575
Speaker 14: sixties house with no installations in the walls. Keep the

657
00:37:38,655 --> 00:37:40,735
Speaker 14: heater and the fan on while you're in the shower,

658
00:37:41,375 --> 00:37:42,975
Speaker 14: and as soon as you have come out of the shower,

659
00:37:44,575 --> 00:37:47,935
Speaker 14: leave the fan on, open the window and come to

660
00:37:48,535 --> 00:37:54,735
Speaker 14: Any moisture evaporates very quickly. I've never never had a

661
00:37:54,815 --> 00:37:58,015
Speaker 14: problem all the years of the news in that method.

662
00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:03,095
Speaker 5: And the other thing of some conversation in the vein

663
00:38:03,215 --> 00:38:06,135
Speaker 5: of public series announcements. You know, if you're if you're

664
00:38:06,415 --> 00:38:09,575
Speaker 5: thinking about buying a house, or you're doing pre purchase inspections,

665
00:38:09,775 --> 00:38:12,455
Speaker 5: or you've moved into a rental property, make sure that

666
00:38:12,575 --> 00:38:16,175
Speaker 5: the fan is actually ducted to the outside, because so

667
00:38:16,535 --> 00:38:20,175
Speaker 5: often I've been in places where yeah, there's a ceiling

668
00:38:20,295 --> 00:38:22,775
Speaker 5: fan and an extractor fan in the bathroom. Then you

669
00:38:22,895 --> 00:38:25,375
Speaker 5: go up into the roof space and find that there

670
00:38:25,455 --> 00:38:27,055
Speaker 5: might be a little bit adducting, or there might be

671
00:38:27,135 --> 00:38:30,215
Speaker 5: no ducting at all, and it's just blasting warm air

672
00:38:30,335 --> 00:38:32,375
Speaker 5: into the roof space, which is not a great idea.

673
00:38:32,495 --> 00:38:34,655
Speaker 5: So it should be ducted to the outside.

674
00:38:34,975 --> 00:38:37,215
Speaker 14: That one thing the outside.

675
00:38:37,295 --> 00:38:40,895
Speaker 5: Mine's a ceiling, yeah, and ducks to the outside. What

676
00:38:41,095 --> 00:38:43,215
Speaker 5: I bought the other day, just talking about the old

677
00:38:43,255 --> 00:38:48,455
Speaker 5: citizen science thing. I saw them online smoke matches, right.

678
00:38:48,575 --> 00:38:51,375
Speaker 5: So it's a match that when you light it produces

679
00:38:51,695 --> 00:38:53,975
Speaker 5: not much heat or no heat, but lots and lots

680
00:38:54,015 --> 00:38:56,735
Speaker 5: of smoke. The theory being that you can test whether

681
00:38:56,855 --> 00:39:01,295
Speaker 5: or not fans extractors are working well. So you turn

682
00:39:01,335 --> 00:39:04,455
Speaker 5: the fan on, strike the smoke match, and then you

683
00:39:04,495 --> 00:39:09,535
Speaker 5: should be able to see the smoke exit outside. Yeah, yeah,

684
00:39:09,535 --> 00:39:13,935
Speaker 5: which is quite cool. Sparky about that the other day,

685
00:39:14,015 --> 00:39:14,935
Speaker 5: he was quite impressed.

686
00:39:15,815 --> 00:39:18,295
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, they had that for quite some time in

687
00:39:18,335 --> 00:39:18,935
Speaker 14: the UK.

688
00:39:19,215 --> 00:39:21,975
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, you've got to test these things. I did

689
00:39:22,055 --> 00:39:24,815
Speaker 5: some We did a project and it was we had

690
00:39:24,855 --> 00:39:28,175
Speaker 5: a services engineer who did the design for the extraction

691
00:39:28,375 --> 00:39:30,655
Speaker 5: and ventilation and so on, and so at the end

692
00:39:30,695 --> 00:39:32,855
Speaker 5: of the job they had to say they had to

693
00:39:32,895 --> 00:39:35,575
Speaker 5: come and do an inspection and issue a producer statement

694
00:39:35,695 --> 00:39:37,375
Speaker 5: on that. And one of the things they had to

695
00:39:37,415 --> 00:39:40,415
Speaker 5: do was test you know, if you say, I'm putting

696
00:39:40,455 --> 00:39:43,295
Speaker 5: in this size fan and it's moving this amount of

697
00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:47,335
Speaker 5: air over this distance. Once it had been installed and

698
00:39:47,415 --> 00:39:50,095
Speaker 5: deducting had been installed, they came along with a like

699
00:39:50,175 --> 00:39:53,935
Speaker 5: a little animometer something that tests wind speed and you

700
00:39:54,055 --> 00:39:55,975
Speaker 5: turn the fan on. They went to the outside and

701
00:39:56,175 --> 00:39:58,335
Speaker 5: measured it at the outlet to see whether or not

702
00:39:58,455 --> 00:40:00,855
Speaker 5: it was working as it was designed to work, which

703
00:40:00,895 --> 00:40:03,895
Speaker 5: I thought was particularly thorough and quite useful as well.

704
00:40:04,375 --> 00:40:07,135
Speaker 5: There you go, much pressure added Mary. You have a

705
00:40:07,215 --> 00:40:10,215
Speaker 5: great day. Thank you very much for your call now

706
00:40:10,335 --> 00:40:15,095
Speaker 5: before the break break I mean new Sport weather Pete.

707
00:40:15,215 --> 00:40:18,655
Speaker 5: I spent a considered a sizable chunk of my engineering

708
00:40:18,695 --> 00:40:22,775
Speaker 5: apprenticeship removing broken screws and bolts. All of the advice

709
00:40:22,855 --> 00:40:24,735
Speaker 5: you and your next call gave was spot on. I

710
00:40:24,775 --> 00:40:27,775
Speaker 5: would also add I keep a broken drill bit that

711
00:40:27,855 --> 00:40:30,375
Speaker 5: I've ground down to what's best described as a small,

712
00:40:30,535 --> 00:40:34,255
Speaker 5: ever so slightly blunt chisel on the right side of

713
00:40:34,295 --> 00:40:36,815
Speaker 5: the screw slot. I dig the tip in and tap

714
00:40:36,895 --> 00:40:41,975
Speaker 5: it with a hammer to encourage anti clockwise rotation. I

715
00:40:42,215 --> 00:40:47,775
Speaker 5: get your theory, and if you were to grind like

716
00:40:47,855 --> 00:40:49,975
Speaker 5: a bit of a flat spot on either side of

717
00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:53,735
Speaker 5: the shaft of that and that you could get a

718
00:40:54,295 --> 00:41:01,815
Speaker 5: grip onto that would work quite well. I'm picking up

719
00:41:01,855 --> 00:41:05,015
Speaker 5: what you're putting down there. Thank you, Owen. I appreciate that. Right. Yeah,

720
00:41:05,015 --> 00:41:07,015
Speaker 5: we got a new sport top of the and then

721
00:41:07,055 --> 00:41:09,335
Speaker 5: we're back with more of your calls after the seven

722
00:41:09,375 --> 00:41:10,215
Speaker 5: am News.

723
00:41:28,775 --> 00:41:32,375
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from

724
00:41:32,455 --> 00:41:36,735
Speaker 1: Peter WOLFCAF, the resident builder on News TALKSB you.

725
00:41:36,815 --> 00:41:40,055
Speaker 5: And new STALKSB. In the next hour, Conrad Lapont from

726
00:41:40,295 --> 00:41:42,455
Speaker 5: Habitat for Humanities can join me in the studio so

727
00:41:42,495 --> 00:41:43,695
Speaker 5: we can have a bit of a chat about the

728
00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:47,175
Speaker 5: work that they do, a recent award and some of

729
00:41:47,175 --> 00:41:49,895
Speaker 5: the innovation that they're building that they're bringing to the

730
00:41:49,975 --> 00:41:53,055
Speaker 5: construction space as well. So looking forward to that conversation.

731
00:41:53,455 --> 00:41:56,655
Speaker 5: Remember Cline passed from eight point thirty as well, but

732
00:41:56,815 --> 00:42:00,215
Speaker 5: right now it is your opportunity to talk all things

733
00:42:00,255 --> 00:42:02,575
Speaker 5: building in construction. So the lines are open. The number

734
00:42:02,735 --> 00:42:06,215
Speaker 5: is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Another quick text

735
00:42:06,455 --> 00:42:09,935
Speaker 5: came through as well, Hey Pete, what's your thoughts on

736
00:42:10,055 --> 00:42:13,375
Speaker 5: the last quarter for US tradees it's starting to pick

737
00:42:13,495 --> 00:42:16,575
Speaker 5: up really good again for myself and for a few others.

738
00:42:16,655 --> 00:42:19,695
Speaker 5: Trade staff says that the summer will be better than last.

739
00:42:20,255 --> 00:42:26,095
Speaker 5: Your thoughts cheers from Brad. Always super cautious around being

740
00:42:26,255 --> 00:42:31,295
Speaker 5: optimistic given that. I think what's been particularly difficult with

741
00:42:31,495 --> 00:42:35,455
Speaker 5: this recession, not quite depression in terms of the sector,

742
00:42:35,535 --> 00:42:39,415
Speaker 5: has been how long it's gone on for you know,

743
00:42:39,495 --> 00:42:42,175
Speaker 5: there was that whole survive to twenty five. Then it's

744
00:42:42,415 --> 00:42:44,815
Speaker 5: very much a case of you've had to get through

745
00:42:44,975 --> 00:42:47,895
Speaker 5: twenty five and you can kind of see the end

746
00:42:47,935 --> 00:42:51,375
Speaker 5: of that. Will things pick up? Yeah, I've heard lots

747
00:42:51,535 --> 00:42:54,255
Speaker 5: or a lot more stories. There's a big story in

748
00:42:54,255 --> 00:42:57,535
Speaker 5: the paper, one of the papers last week about maybe

749
00:42:57,615 --> 00:43:00,855
Speaker 5: not the new build. I think what's constraining new build

750
00:43:00,895 --> 00:43:02,855
Speaker 5: in terms of the development side of things is that

751
00:43:02,935 --> 00:43:07,415
Speaker 5: there's still a lot of unsold development stock, particularly in

752
00:43:07,535 --> 00:43:12,215
Speaker 5: Auckland where you know townhouses that were constructed in that boom.

753
00:43:12,335 --> 00:43:14,535
Speaker 5: So when building consents went up to fifty thousand a

754
00:43:14,655 --> 00:43:18,535
Speaker 5: year and typically we're hovering around the thirty thousand, the

755
00:43:18,615 --> 00:43:22,575
Speaker 5: stuff that got consented got built. A lot of that,

756
00:43:23,015 --> 00:43:25,615
Speaker 5: like a significant amount of that is still sitting waiting

757
00:43:25,735 --> 00:43:28,695
Speaker 5: to sell. And until that's sold I don't think we're

758
00:43:28,695 --> 00:43:32,855
Speaker 5: going to see developers back in the market, but renovations,

759
00:43:32,895 --> 00:43:36,815
Speaker 5: by all accounts has started to really pick up, and

760
00:43:37,175 --> 00:43:39,375
Speaker 5: a lot of that to do, I would imagine, with

761
00:43:39,575 --> 00:43:43,855
Speaker 5: falling interest rates, with a sense that maybe now's not

762
00:43:43,975 --> 00:43:46,935
Speaker 5: a great time to sell, so I'll tip the money

763
00:43:47,055 --> 00:43:51,575
Speaker 5: into you know, getting If I thought about, here's some

764
00:43:51,695 --> 00:43:53,895
Speaker 5: things that I don't like about my house, so I'm

765
00:43:53,935 --> 00:43:56,775
Speaker 5: going to look for that in another house, it seems

766
00:43:56,895 --> 00:44:00,295
Speaker 5: to be well, I'll create that my house. I'll do

767
00:44:00,415 --> 00:44:04,015
Speaker 5: the renovation, do the alterations that I maybe might not

768
00:44:04,135 --> 00:44:07,575
Speaker 5: have done and in simply sold and purchased in the past.

769
00:44:07,655 --> 00:44:11,015
Speaker 5: So yes, I think there is cautious grounds for optimism.

770
00:44:11,135 --> 00:44:16,015
Speaker 5: Certainly the other day talking to my electrician, you know,

771
00:44:16,215 --> 00:44:19,495
Speaker 5: booked a couple of weeks in advance, Whereas, to be blunt,

772
00:44:19,615 --> 00:44:22,535
Speaker 5: last year you could often ring a tradee in the

773
00:44:22,615 --> 00:44:24,735
Speaker 5: morning and they'd be there in the afternoon because there

774
00:44:24,855 --> 00:44:28,055
Speaker 5: was literally nothing to do that afternoon. Still a long

775
00:44:28,095 --> 00:44:33,295
Speaker 5: way to go, and thirteen thousand jobs maybe more disappeared

776
00:44:33,335 --> 00:44:37,895
Speaker 5: from the construction sector, so the sector is smaller. And

777
00:44:38,815 --> 00:44:42,055
Speaker 5: actually we had Matt from Ebos, Matt Duda from Ebos

778
00:44:42,335 --> 00:44:44,695
Speaker 5: on what's six weeks eight weeks ago on the show

779
00:44:45,575 --> 00:44:48,175
Speaker 5: talking about that. You know, there is a lot of

780
00:44:48,295 --> 00:44:51,295
Speaker 5: capacity in the industry at the moment as well, so

781
00:44:51,535 --> 00:44:54,935
Speaker 5: most businesses are smaller and they're not as booked up.

782
00:44:55,055 --> 00:45:00,775
Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe a little bit cautious optimism. But while

783
00:45:00,855 --> 00:45:02,615
Speaker 5: to go oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty the

784
00:45:02,735 --> 00:45:05,295
Speaker 5: number to call Gary good morning to you good.

785
00:45:05,135 --> 00:45:10,095
Speaker 15: Morning, it's not really in the giddo, that's for sure.

786
00:45:10,695 --> 00:45:13,095
Speaker 5: What's that good morning? I don't worry. It's gonna be

787
00:45:13,095 --> 00:45:15,135
Speaker 5: pretty miserable up here in Auckland today as well.

788
00:45:15,855 --> 00:45:19,135
Speaker 15: Yeah, it sounds very similar to Hamilton. Look, earlier this

789
00:45:19,295 --> 00:45:22,095
Speaker 15: year you were talking about cleaning the seal between the

790
00:45:22,175 --> 00:45:24,375
Speaker 15: basin and all and the show. I remember that.

791
00:45:24,695 --> 00:45:25,375
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yep.

792
00:45:26,695 --> 00:45:30,455
Speaker 15: What actually did you use to get it wide? Again?

793
00:45:32,255 --> 00:45:36,655
Speaker 5: Look, if I've got mold, I actually not an endorsement

794
00:45:36,695 --> 00:45:38,935
Speaker 5: or anything. It's just what I happen to use. Exit

795
00:45:39,015 --> 00:45:41,975
Speaker 5: mold seems to work really well to get most of

796
00:45:42,055 --> 00:45:42,775
Speaker 5: the mold out.

797
00:45:43,735 --> 00:45:43,975
Speaker 1: It is.

798
00:45:44,295 --> 00:45:47,335
Speaker 5: It's quite a powerful smell that comes along with it

799
00:45:47,415 --> 00:45:49,775
Speaker 5: that maybe most people don't like, but I found it

800
00:45:49,895 --> 00:45:53,855
Speaker 5: quite useful. What I what also, sometimes what you get

801
00:45:53,975 --> 00:45:56,335
Speaker 5: is you get mold in behind the silicon that's really

802
00:45:56,415 --> 00:46:00,455
Speaker 5: really hard to get out. So in some cases, and

803
00:46:00,615 --> 00:46:04,295
Speaker 5: actually I did it on was it Wednesday? Something like that.

804
00:46:05,575 --> 00:46:11,135
Speaker 5: There's are spray on product called silicon remover which kind

805
00:46:11,175 --> 00:46:14,455
Speaker 5: of not quite dissolves the silicon but makes it soft

806
00:46:14,575 --> 00:46:17,255
Speaker 5: enough that with a little silicon removal tool, which is

807
00:46:17,295 --> 00:46:20,175
Speaker 5: a little plastic tool with a sharp point and a

808
00:46:20,255 --> 00:46:23,775
Speaker 5: flat blade as well. It was in an inside a shower.

809
00:46:24,055 --> 00:46:27,375
Speaker 5: The silicon had failed and it was looking a bit menky,

810
00:46:27,455 --> 00:46:29,575
Speaker 5: and I sprayed a bit of silicon remover on there,

811
00:46:29,735 --> 00:46:32,815
Speaker 5: waited a little while for it to take action, and

812
00:46:32,935 --> 00:46:35,775
Speaker 5: then raked out the silicon, let it dry for a day,

813
00:46:35,895 --> 00:46:39,655
Speaker 5: and then went back and reapplied some silicon the following day.

814
00:46:40,015 --> 00:46:42,455
Speaker 5: So that's the other option. If it's really minky, just

815
00:46:42,535 --> 00:46:44,135
Speaker 5: rip it out and replace it.

816
00:46:44,975 --> 00:46:47,655
Speaker 15: Now the closure is only three years old, that it

817
00:46:47,855 --> 00:46:50,215
Speaker 15: just seemed dirty. I was wonder at you get older

818
00:46:50,295 --> 00:46:50,495
Speaker 15: on it?

819
00:46:51,135 --> 00:46:51,775
Speaker 11: What you thought?

820
00:46:52,535 --> 00:46:56,495
Speaker 5: Look, I look, I'm sure you probably can, but you know,

821
00:46:56,655 --> 00:46:58,735
Speaker 5: for what it's worth, I found the old exit mold

822
00:46:58,815 --> 00:47:00,215
Speaker 5: to be really quite useful on that.

823
00:47:01,135 --> 00:47:05,295
Speaker 15: Okay, we'll see what the result is.

824
00:47:05,455 --> 00:47:08,655
Speaker 5: You take care. So the oh, and it's like it's

825
00:47:08,735 --> 00:47:10,215
Speaker 5: just the elbow grease too in the end, isn't it.

826
00:47:11,095 --> 00:47:13,295
Speaker 5: And also the other thing is, you know, if you've

827
00:47:13,335 --> 00:47:17,975
Speaker 5: got mold, then you've got something that promotes mold growth,

828
00:47:19,335 --> 00:47:21,695
Speaker 5: so a certain amount of moisture, a certain amount of warmth,

829
00:47:22,815 --> 00:47:28,815
Speaker 5: and essentially lack of extraction or ventilation. You know, certainly

830
00:47:28,855 --> 00:47:31,815
Speaker 5: if you've got mold growth like we see sort of

831
00:47:31,895 --> 00:47:35,615
Speaker 5: that black mold that grows on interior linings, so plaster

832
00:47:35,735 --> 00:47:38,335
Speaker 5: board and that sort of thing, then you've probably either

833
00:47:38,335 --> 00:47:40,895
Speaker 5: got a leak or you've got excessive moisture inside the house.

834
00:47:40,975 --> 00:47:44,095
Speaker 5: So's it's an imbalance in the universe. It's an imbalance

835
00:47:44,135 --> 00:47:47,055
Speaker 5: in the system that's promoting that mold growth. If it look,

836
00:47:47,095 --> 00:47:49,255
Speaker 5: if it's at the back of a vanity, for example,

837
00:47:49,295 --> 00:47:52,495
Speaker 5: where you've got a silicon bead that abuts the maybe

838
00:47:52,575 --> 00:47:55,495
Speaker 5: the tiled spash back or something like that. I've tend

839
00:47:55,655 --> 00:47:57,895
Speaker 5: to find that those things have a lifespan a couple

840
00:47:57,935 --> 00:47:59,575
Speaker 5: of years, and you'll get a little bit of mold

841
00:47:59,615 --> 00:48:04,815
Speaker 5: in there, get it out, replace it and start over. Mark,

842
00:48:04,855 --> 00:48:05,495
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

843
00:48:07,535 --> 00:48:08,135
Speaker 11: And good morning.

844
00:48:09,575 --> 00:48:10,615
Speaker 5: How can I help what's up?

845
00:48:11,695 --> 00:48:14,495
Speaker 11: Look, I've got an older villa replaced some of the

846
00:48:15,175 --> 00:48:19,695
Speaker 11: baseboards with fiberlife. I'm curious to know what the rule

847
00:48:19,735 --> 00:48:25,015
Speaker 11: of summers or with the aluminium events, you know, how

848
00:48:25,615 --> 00:48:28,655
Speaker 11: we need to have to put in around the baseboards

849
00:48:28,855 --> 00:48:32,655
Speaker 11: to you know, to leet ventilation. Then the under the floor.

850
00:48:33,575 --> 00:48:36,175
Speaker 5: The cheeky answer is more than what you've got right

851
00:48:38,975 --> 00:48:42,135
Speaker 5: there is actually take me a little while to find it,

852
00:48:42,255 --> 00:48:46,415
Speaker 5: but there is actually a guide in the building Code,

853
00:48:46,535 --> 00:48:48,815
Speaker 5: it might even be in three six o four in

854
00:48:49,015 --> 00:48:54,335
Speaker 5: terms of how much ventilation is ideal. So if you

855
00:48:54,415 --> 00:48:58,215
Speaker 5: think back to you know, nineteen sixties nineteen seventies construction,

856
00:48:58,375 --> 00:49:01,255
Speaker 5: where you'd have a solid masonry wall and then those

857
00:49:01,335 --> 00:49:05,455
Speaker 5: little concrete grills, there was obviously a formula to determine that.

858
00:49:06,655 --> 00:49:09,775
Speaker 5: Then there's a practical thing, which is ideally you want

859
00:49:09,815 --> 00:49:13,135
Speaker 5: them opposed to each other. So if you've got you know,

860
00:49:13,255 --> 00:49:16,815
Speaker 5: sufficient space, you want to have some grills on both

861
00:49:16,935 --> 00:49:20,895
Speaker 5: sides or both ends of the building, or on if

862
00:49:20,935 --> 00:49:24,015
Speaker 5: it's a regular size building, on all four sides of

863
00:49:24,055 --> 00:49:27,095
Speaker 5: the building. You'd want the ability to have cross flow.

864
00:49:29,415 --> 00:49:33,055
Speaker 5: But you know, if you're thinking about because what are

865
00:49:33,095 --> 00:49:37,135
Speaker 5: those grills, maybe two fifty by two hundred something like that,

866
00:49:37,855 --> 00:49:40,215
Speaker 5: and you might put three or four down the side

867
00:49:40,215 --> 00:49:43,575
Speaker 5: of an average length building ten twelve meters, that's not

868
00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:46,255
Speaker 5: going to be that's not a lot of airflow, right,

869
00:49:48,015 --> 00:49:51,415
Speaker 5: I have to say my personal preference is always to

870
00:49:51,615 --> 00:49:55,895
Speaker 5: use slatted timber. So maybe a one fifty board with

871
00:49:56,055 --> 00:49:59,575
Speaker 5: a fifteen to twenty mili gap in between. I think

872
00:49:59,615 --> 00:50:01,855
Speaker 5: you get a lot more ventilation there. But if you've

873
00:50:01,895 --> 00:50:04,815
Speaker 5: got five u smeatsheet and it's a semi enclosed space,

874
00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:08,295
Speaker 5: there is a formula, and I would take that formula

875
00:50:08,455 --> 00:50:12,415
Speaker 5: and add more because that's a real benefit to having

876
00:50:12,575 --> 00:50:13,215
Speaker 5: that airflow.

877
00:50:14,575 --> 00:50:17,535
Speaker 11: Sort of groogs that you that you can buy. Yeah,

878
00:50:17,815 --> 00:50:20,335
Speaker 11: I think that maybe sort of two hundred by one

879
00:50:20,415 --> 00:50:24,535
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty or even bigger ones. And yeah, I

880
00:50:24,695 --> 00:50:28,535
Speaker 11: just I've put the flower lighter because I've got concrete

881
00:50:28,615 --> 00:50:34,575
Speaker 11: right against it, so right, Yes, a fiber light, but

882
00:50:35,255 --> 00:50:38,655
Speaker 11: I can cut them in and screw them on.

883
00:50:38,815 --> 00:50:41,615
Speaker 5: But I just so you know, if it was me

884
00:50:42,735 --> 00:50:45,255
Speaker 5: so forward, yeah, I think it'll be. I'm pretty sure

885
00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:47,375
Speaker 5: it's in three six so four. There's a guide to

886
00:50:48,055 --> 00:50:51,295
Speaker 5: it's either volume, so you can sort of calculate the

887
00:50:51,495 --> 00:50:53,815
Speaker 5: volume of the space underneath, and then it will tell

888
00:50:53,855 --> 00:50:56,975
Speaker 5: you roughly how many events you need. But you know, look,

889
00:50:57,535 --> 00:50:59,495
Speaker 5: if it was me, I'd be looking at that space

890
00:50:59,655 --> 00:51:02,135
Speaker 5: and I'd go, okay, so I've put up this fiber

891
00:51:02,175 --> 00:51:04,655
Speaker 5: cement sheet. I'm going to put one of those grills

892
00:51:04,695 --> 00:51:05,975
Speaker 5: every one and a half beaters.

893
00:51:07,815 --> 00:51:09,055
Speaker 16: Wow close, it's that.

894
00:51:10,575 --> 00:51:14,375
Speaker 5: Airflow underneath the house is a really good thing, right,

895
00:51:14,495 --> 00:51:17,695
Speaker 5: because what tends to happen is under You know, if

896
00:51:17,735 --> 00:51:20,615
Speaker 5: you've got a suspended timber floor, you've got moisture in

897
00:51:20,655 --> 00:51:23,015
Speaker 5: the ground. So the other thing to do, and this

898
00:51:23,215 --> 00:51:26,335
Speaker 5: is part of healthy homes compliance for rental properties, for example,

899
00:51:26,535 --> 00:51:29,255
Speaker 5: is you have a vapor barrier that's on the ground

900
00:51:29,615 --> 00:51:34,935
Speaker 5: underneath that open space. So if you added some ventilation

901
00:51:35,575 --> 00:51:39,695
Speaker 5: and you put a vapor barrier, you're improving the conditions

902
00:51:39,975 --> 00:51:45,415
Speaker 5: underneath that space or in that space. No trouble at all.

903
00:51:45,575 --> 00:51:47,495
Speaker 5: It's worth doing. And you know you sound like a

904
00:51:47,535 --> 00:51:52,855
Speaker 5: fairly help helpful and handy kind of person. So get

905
00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:58,415
Speaker 5: some ideally two fifty micron plastic, lay that out on

906
00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,215
Speaker 5: the on the surface of the ground underneath the house,

907
00:52:01,655 --> 00:52:04,175
Speaker 5: tape it around all of the piles, and that will

908
00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:07,655
Speaker 5: make a considerable difference to the quality of the air

909
00:52:07,855 --> 00:52:11,895
Speaker 5: underneath your house. Thank you very much, Thank you sir,

910
00:52:12,055 --> 00:52:14,415
Speaker 5: no trouble, lovely to talk all the very best mark

911
00:52:15,135 --> 00:52:17,215
Speaker 5: your news talks. He'd be if you've got a question

912
00:52:17,455 --> 00:52:19,215
Speaker 5: or a comment that you'd like to make about all

913
00:52:19,295 --> 00:52:22,255
Speaker 5: things building in construction, you can do that a couple

914
00:52:22,295 --> 00:52:25,295
Speaker 5: of suggestions via the text machine. Hey Pete, we've got

915
00:52:25,335 --> 00:52:28,095
Speaker 5: a product called glass Guard. Does what it says on

916
00:52:28,175 --> 00:52:29,815
Speaker 5: the tube. It gets rid of the mold. Loved it,

917
00:52:30,015 --> 00:52:34,255
Speaker 5: ordered it online. I think I've seen it advertised glass Guard. Now,

918
00:52:34,495 --> 00:52:38,495
Speaker 5: Laura points out, Pete, it's not all serene bre heaters

919
00:52:38,575 --> 00:52:42,695
Speaker 5: that are faulty, only certain models. Okay, fair enough, So

920
00:52:43,215 --> 00:52:46,135
Speaker 5: just check which model you've got of the serene heaters,

921
00:52:46,175 --> 00:52:49,455
Speaker 5: and if it's the one that requires a recall or removal,

922
00:52:49,975 --> 00:52:53,855
Speaker 5: please go ahead and do that because that's a genuine issue.

923
00:52:54,455 --> 00:52:56,735
Speaker 5: Hey Pete, I'm interested in buying my first home. However,

924
00:52:56,895 --> 00:53:02,415
Speaker 5: it has fiber cement tiles cladding that do have asbestos.

925
00:53:02,455 --> 00:53:05,535
Speaker 5: It's the nineteen sixties house thoughts, So just a quick

926
00:53:05,615 --> 00:53:07,895
Speaker 5: question on that. I presume when you say it does

927
00:53:08,015 --> 00:53:11,495
Speaker 5: have asbestos, you've got some evidence for that. I either

928
00:53:11,615 --> 00:53:15,175
Speaker 5: you or the vendor has purchased has taken that in,

929
00:53:15,375 --> 00:53:18,255
Speaker 5: got some testing, and you've got a test report that says,

930
00:53:18,335 --> 00:53:24,415
Speaker 5: yes it has asbestos. Look asbestos as cladding left undisturbed

931
00:53:24,655 --> 00:53:29,135
Speaker 5: is of a little risk to anyone. So the concern

932
00:53:29,295 --> 00:53:31,615
Speaker 5: is if you wanted, for example, if you plant into

933
00:53:31,615 --> 00:53:34,775
Speaker 5: a renovation, change a window size at a door, something

934
00:53:34,855 --> 00:53:37,535
Speaker 5: like that, and you have to cut or remove the asbestos,

935
00:53:37,575 --> 00:53:41,095
Speaker 5: then you need to do that to the required guidelines.

936
00:53:41,975 --> 00:53:44,775
Speaker 5: If you were thinking that you wanted to remove it,

937
00:53:44,935 --> 00:53:48,415
Speaker 5: then that's going to be costly. And I guess there

938
00:53:48,535 --> 00:53:50,855
Speaker 5: is also the if you go to sell it in

939
00:53:50,895 --> 00:53:53,895
Speaker 5: the future, there might be buyer reluctance from the person

940
00:53:53,975 --> 00:53:58,655
Speaker 5: that's purchasing it. So, but you know, in and of itself,

941
00:53:59,775 --> 00:54:02,735
Speaker 5: is the on the wall with a coat of paint

942
00:54:02,775 --> 00:54:04,975
Speaker 5: on it. You're not drilling it, cutting it, screwing it,

943
00:54:05,135 --> 00:54:07,735
Speaker 5: standing it, or anything else. Is it of Is it

944
00:54:07,775 --> 00:54:08,415
Speaker 5: a health hazard?

945
00:54:09,095 --> 00:54:09,135
Speaker 1: No?

946
00:54:09,695 --> 00:54:12,975
Speaker 5: Basically is the short answer. We're gonna take short break.

947
00:54:13,015 --> 00:54:14,255
Speaker 5: We'll be back in a moment.

948
00:54:14,735 --> 00:54:18,615
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The Resident

949
00:54:18,655 --> 00:54:22,935
Speaker 1: Builder with Peter Wolfcat Call eight hundred eight Youth Talks B.

950
00:54:23,735 --> 00:54:27,255
Speaker 5: Your News Talks B. Remind me before I get carried

951
00:54:27,255 --> 00:54:29,535
Speaker 5: away with other things to tell you about my my

952
00:54:29,735 --> 00:54:34,735
Speaker 5: moment of incandescent rage and upset at a new tool

953
00:54:34,775 --> 00:54:37,815
Speaker 5: that I saw promoted online. We'll get to that really soon,

954
00:54:37,855 --> 00:54:39,695
Speaker 5: but it's it's kind of busy right now. Oh eight

955
00:54:39,815 --> 00:54:41,175
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty the number.

956
00:54:41,255 --> 00:54:45,775
Speaker 8: Hello, Graham, are just listening.

957
00:54:45,575 --> 00:54:48,055
Speaker 17: To those comments that you're making about the mold of

958
00:54:48,095 --> 00:54:52,055
Speaker 17: the silicon. I remember a number of years ago now

959
00:54:52,175 --> 00:54:55,375
Speaker 17: being quite severely told off by Tyler right, who was

960
00:54:55,455 --> 00:54:57,935
Speaker 17: watching me on the side. I was putting some silicon

961
00:54:57,975 --> 00:55:01,495
Speaker 17: around a Handbason, yep, and as you do, you lock your.

962
00:55:01,455 --> 00:55:07,935
Speaker 5: Finger, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, explain that. Why was

963
00:55:07,975 --> 00:55:08,695
Speaker 5: he so upset?

964
00:55:10,455 --> 00:55:12,695
Speaker 17: He said, well, that's the best way of putting moisture

965
00:55:12,695 --> 00:55:14,975
Speaker 17: behind the silicon to create mold and base.

966
00:55:15,575 --> 00:55:15,775
Speaker 8: Yep.

967
00:55:18,175 --> 00:55:18,335
Speaker 6: Yeah.

968
00:55:18,375 --> 00:55:22,735
Speaker 17: From then, I always use the plastic tool, yes square

969
00:55:22,895 --> 00:55:26,695
Speaker 17: that it comes with silicon that's designed for smoothing it out,

970
00:55:26,895 --> 00:55:29,975
Speaker 17: not your finger in a piece of spect So for I.

971
00:55:30,415 --> 00:55:33,175
Speaker 5: Had heard the same thing and thought about it and thought, actually,

972
00:55:33,215 --> 00:55:35,135
Speaker 5: that makes a lot of sense, because to be fair,

973
00:55:35,335 --> 00:55:36,855
Speaker 5: that was my go to as well.

974
00:55:37,095 --> 00:55:37,215
Speaker 6: Right.

975
00:55:39,255 --> 00:55:41,895
Speaker 5: So, and then what I noticed some of the guys

976
00:55:41,975 --> 00:55:45,695
Speaker 5: that I work with they were using old ice block sticks,

977
00:55:46,935 --> 00:55:49,415
Speaker 5: and so I got into the habit of saying to

978
00:55:49,455 --> 00:55:51,455
Speaker 5: everyone at home, just put them in a bag and

979
00:55:51,495 --> 00:55:53,455
Speaker 5: I'll keep them. And I've got a whole heap of

980
00:55:53,535 --> 00:55:57,015
Speaker 5: them in the box that I keep on my silicon.

981
00:55:57,095 --> 00:56:00,895
Speaker 5: And but the other day, while ago, I picked up

982
00:56:00,935 --> 00:56:07,815
Speaker 5: a little set of like four little rubber silicon squares

983
00:56:08,295 --> 00:56:12,215
Speaker 5: with different radiuses and so on that are flexible and

984
00:56:12,335 --> 00:56:14,695
Speaker 5: that you can use for the application of silicon. So

985
00:56:14,735 --> 00:56:18,615
Speaker 5: there's there's silicon application tools or whatever they called. They

986
00:56:18,695 --> 00:56:21,295
Speaker 5: come a little pack of four little plastic squares and

987
00:56:21,375 --> 00:56:24,575
Speaker 5: they're not plastic, they're flexible. And when I did this

988
00:56:24,695 --> 00:56:27,015
Speaker 5: job the other day, I looked at which radius I

989
00:56:27,135 --> 00:56:29,935
Speaker 5: wanted in there, and I use the appropriate size one.

990
00:56:30,775 --> 00:56:33,735
Speaker 5: Put the silicon in. I've got some dilute, just some

991
00:56:33,895 --> 00:56:37,335
Speaker 5: water with a little little bit of liquid cleaner in it,

992
00:56:38,415 --> 00:56:41,935
Speaker 5: apply the silicon, squird it with that, strike it off.

993
00:56:42,175 --> 00:56:47,535
Speaker 5: Job done, beautiful, No fingers involved. Makes a big differ,

994
00:56:47,895 --> 00:56:49,255
Speaker 5: Sure does. Yeah. Yeah.

995
00:56:49,415 --> 00:56:53,135
Speaker 17: And the other thing I've noticed too, started using it.

996
00:56:53,215 --> 00:56:58,215
Speaker 17: But now is the nozzles for your silicon gun. Yes,

997
00:56:58,535 --> 00:57:03,695
Speaker 17: by them halfway along they twist. Oh yeah, they come

998
00:57:03,735 --> 00:57:06,375
Speaker 17: in a ninety degree angle. You can twist halfway. The

999
00:57:06,455 --> 00:57:11,775
Speaker 17: nozzle might be watched long or yes, about forty miles down.

1000
00:57:12,295 --> 00:57:14,615
Speaker 17: You can push it at whatever angle you want. You

1001
00:57:14,655 --> 00:57:15,975
Speaker 17: can come right around the ninety degree.

1002
00:57:16,175 --> 00:57:16,695
Speaker 5: Oh, that's.

1003
00:57:18,335 --> 00:57:21,815
Speaker 17: You can get into the corners. And the time space

1004
00:57:21,935 --> 00:57:24,895
Speaker 17: is a lot easier than having the whole six guns

1005
00:57:25,135 --> 00:57:25,495
Speaker 17: to get out.

1006
00:57:26,975 --> 00:57:30,455
Speaker 5: And also when you are applying silicon, do you push

1007
00:57:30,695 --> 00:57:31,175
Speaker 5: or drag?

1008
00:57:33,775 --> 00:57:34,535
Speaker 17: I like to drag.

1009
00:57:35,375 --> 00:57:39,815
Speaker 5: Oh really, apparently the go is doing it the other way,

1010
00:57:40,055 --> 00:57:43,175
Speaker 5: so that you you apply the ceilant and you're pushing

1011
00:57:43,255 --> 00:57:46,455
Speaker 5: it into the into the corner or the or the gap,

1012
00:57:46,975 --> 00:57:50,215
Speaker 5: and then rather than allowing it, it sort of drives

1013
00:57:50,295 --> 00:57:53,335
Speaker 5: it into the gap. And also that if you get

1014
00:57:53,335 --> 00:57:56,055
Speaker 5: the nozzle size right, you kind of semi strike it

1015
00:57:56,135 --> 00:57:59,535
Speaker 5: off at the same time. Good enough to do that

1016
00:57:59,655 --> 00:58:05,975
Speaker 5: many good to talk to you all the best.

1017
00:58:06,295 --> 00:58:06,735
Speaker 9: I'll tell you what.

1018
00:58:06,815 --> 00:58:08,295
Speaker 5: The other little trick that I saw one of my

1019
00:58:08,375 --> 00:58:12,935
Speaker 5: plumbers use is having an old phone book. So inevitably

1020
00:58:12,935 --> 00:58:14,655
Speaker 5: and when you put silicon in, you've always got the

1021
00:58:14,735 --> 00:58:16,935
Speaker 5: excess right and then so you strike it off with

1022
00:58:17,015 --> 00:58:19,495
Speaker 5: your popsicle stick or with your flash hairy little tool

1023
00:58:19,535 --> 00:58:21,575
Speaker 5: like I bought the other day. But either way, then

1024
00:58:21,615 --> 00:58:23,135
Speaker 5: you've got a watch of silicon. What do you do

1025
00:58:23,255 --> 00:58:25,895
Speaker 5: with that? If you like me, you just seem to

1026
00:58:26,015 --> 00:58:27,695
Speaker 5: wipe it on your shirt. But that's not a very

1027
00:58:27,735 --> 00:58:29,935
Speaker 5: professional thing to do. So these guys would have like

1028
00:58:30,015 --> 00:58:32,495
Speaker 5: an old phone book, they'd tear a page out and

1029
00:58:32,535 --> 00:58:35,855
Speaker 5: they'd use that to clean up their tool, their application.

1030
00:58:35,975 --> 00:58:38,375
Speaker 5: Then they just have all of that silicon on a

1031
00:58:38,455 --> 00:58:40,295
Speaker 5: bit of paper, wrap that up, throw that in the

1032
00:58:40,335 --> 00:58:45,935
Speaker 5: rubbish pin. I thought that's quite clever. I thought that

1033
00:58:46,055 --> 00:58:48,615
Speaker 5: was quite clever. Lots of clever people are out there

1034
00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:51,935
Speaker 5: doing clever stuff. Graham, You're obviously clever man. How can

1035
00:58:51,975 --> 00:58:52,295
Speaker 5: I help?

1036
00:58:53,935 --> 00:58:56,535
Speaker 6: A couple of weeks ago, you talked about a product

1037
00:58:56,695 --> 00:58:58,575
Speaker 6: for non slip tiles.

1038
00:58:59,855 --> 00:59:01,775
Speaker 18: I just want to name of the name of the

1039
00:59:01,895 --> 00:59:02,815
Speaker 18: company police.

1040
00:59:03,815 --> 00:59:06,095
Speaker 5: I don't know if I was talking about a product

1041
00:59:06,175 --> 00:59:09,775
Speaker 5: for non slip tiles as such. Certainly there is a

1042
00:59:09,895 --> 00:59:15,135
Speaker 5: thing called a slip resistance coefficient, right, which is actually

1043
00:59:15,335 --> 00:59:19,495
Speaker 5: should be on the data sheet for tiles. So some

1044
00:59:19,775 --> 00:59:23,175
Speaker 5: tiles are very smooth and shouldn't be used in wet areas,

1045
00:59:23,255 --> 00:59:26,895
Speaker 5: or shouldn't be used on the floor. Other tiles have

1046
00:59:27,135 --> 00:59:31,895
Speaker 5: this slip resistance coefficient element to them, and therefore you

1047
00:59:31,975 --> 00:59:34,175
Speaker 5: can use them so you don't have to add anything

1048
00:59:34,335 --> 00:59:37,655
Speaker 5: to them. I think I've got a recollection too that

1049
00:59:37,775 --> 00:59:40,015
Speaker 5: maybe someone was talking about a product that you could

1050
00:59:40,015 --> 00:59:43,655
Speaker 5: apply over the top that helped to seal the tile

1051
00:59:43,855 --> 00:59:47,935
Speaker 5: and also had some slip resistance. I haven't used that.

1052
00:59:48,055 --> 00:59:50,375
Speaker 5: I tend to just choose the right tile for the

1053
00:59:50,495 --> 00:59:53,255
Speaker 5: right application and make sure that it's not going to

1054
00:59:53,295 --> 01:00:01,295
Speaker 5: be slippery. That's kind of where all the best, no

1055
01:00:01,415 --> 01:00:05,495
Speaker 5: trouble at all, You take care, thank you. Surely you

1056
01:00:05,575 --> 01:00:08,535
Speaker 5: know how old I blocks for sticking rob Oh yeah,

1057
01:00:08,615 --> 01:00:15,495
Speaker 5: actually I'm with you on that one. Sorry, this is great, Oh,

1058
01:00:15,855 --> 01:00:19,215
Speaker 5: this is fantastic. So we were talking about the application.

1059
01:00:19,495 --> 01:00:21,175
Speaker 5: You know, you apply to lock and then you've got

1060
01:00:21,255 --> 01:00:23,055
Speaker 5: to strike it off, right, And what you shouldn't do

1061
01:00:23,335 --> 01:00:26,455
Speaker 5: is use your finger, which I've done for years. You

1062
01:00:26,575 --> 01:00:28,095
Speaker 5: kind of wet your finger and strike it off, and

1063
01:00:28,775 --> 01:00:31,495
Speaker 5: I mean, it's incredibly adaptable and all the rest of it,

1064
01:00:31,575 --> 01:00:34,495
Speaker 5: but it's not ideal. So then I got onto the

1065
01:00:34,655 --> 01:00:37,615
Speaker 5: ice block sticks that were you know, had dried out

1066
01:00:37,615 --> 01:00:41,975
Speaker 5: properly and all the rest of it. And so Olon's

1067
01:00:42,015 --> 01:00:44,175
Speaker 5: come through and said, oh, they're also ideal. For mixing

1068
01:00:44,255 --> 01:00:47,495
Speaker 5: up like erroldite or any two pot of POxy that's

1069
01:00:47,535 --> 01:00:52,855
Speaker 5: actually very clever. Yeah that's great, or I like that

1070
01:00:52,895 --> 01:00:54,415
Speaker 5: because I do quite a bit of that sort of stuff.

1071
01:00:55,015 --> 01:00:57,175
Speaker 5: And then this is the best part of the text.

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01:00:58,055 --> 01:01:01,175
Speaker 5: Sales reps, business cards are the ideal palette to mix

1073
01:01:01,295 --> 01:01:10,615
Speaker 5: things up on. Ah, the other day, I must have

1074
01:01:10,695 --> 01:01:12,095
Speaker 5: had too much. So on my hand, I can't even

1075
01:01:12,135 --> 01:01:15,135
Speaker 5: believe I'm saying this. I made up for myself because

1076
01:01:15,175 --> 01:01:17,535
Speaker 5: typically in the workshop, if i'm mixing up you know,

1077
01:01:18,175 --> 01:01:22,215
Speaker 5: a POxy fill or a POxy resin or a two

1078
01:01:22,295 --> 01:01:24,575
Speaker 5: pot of POxy glue or something like that. I've just

1079
01:01:24,615 --> 01:01:26,335
Speaker 5: got a little off cut of timber and I mix

1080
01:01:26,375 --> 01:01:28,775
Speaker 5: it up on there because inevitably, once you've finished with it,

1081
01:01:29,135 --> 01:01:33,095
Speaker 5: there's a little bit left over and yeah, you know,

1082
01:01:33,335 --> 01:01:36,335
Speaker 5: that's it for that bit of timber. So what I

1083
01:01:36,495 --> 01:01:39,335
Speaker 5: made the other day is I got a little piece

1084
01:01:39,335 --> 01:01:42,335
Speaker 5: of plywood and I'm instead of having to hold the

1085
01:01:42,535 --> 01:01:45,495
Speaker 5: end and getting the epoxy on your fingers, which is

1086
01:01:45,575 --> 01:01:48,055
Speaker 5: inevitable on a small piece of timber, I made what

1087
01:01:48,175 --> 01:01:51,575
Speaker 5: looks like a little paddle, so it's got a handle

1088
01:01:51,695 --> 01:01:53,575
Speaker 5: that I can hold, and then I can mix up

1089
01:01:53,615 --> 01:01:56,695
Speaker 5: my epoxy at the end of that. And I've used

1090
01:01:56,735 --> 01:02:00,215
Speaker 5: it untold times since I made it a little while ago.

1091
01:02:01,495 --> 01:02:05,135
Speaker 5: It's actually been quite a useful little tool. So it's

1092
01:02:05,215 --> 01:02:07,175
Speaker 5: just like a little paddle with the square end on it,

1093
01:02:08,055 --> 01:02:10,095
Speaker 5: and I kind of rounded the handle part offs. That's

1094
01:02:10,095 --> 01:02:11,855
Speaker 5: a bit more comfortable to you. So I can mix

1095
01:02:11,935 --> 01:02:13,975
Speaker 5: up the epoxy or the filler on the end of that,

1096
01:02:14,735 --> 01:02:16,935
Speaker 5: hold it away from where the product is so I

1097
01:02:16,975 --> 01:02:19,295
Speaker 5: don't get it on my fingers, and then I'm off

1098
01:02:19,335 --> 01:02:23,855
Speaker 5: to them a bit some pieces. I can't believe I've

1099
01:02:23,895 --> 01:02:26,735
Speaker 5: said that on air, but anyway, it was very, very useful.

1100
01:02:26,895 --> 01:02:29,335
Speaker 5: I think someone else wants to know the name of

1101
01:02:29,375 --> 01:02:36,375
Speaker 5: the silicon removal softness spray please. It's by Sudal, I

1102
01:02:36,455 --> 01:02:42,535
Speaker 5: think Sudal, sou Dl Sudl or Gorilla Grip so and

1103
01:02:42,655 --> 01:02:45,415
Speaker 5: it's a little spray. There's a couple of other ones around.

1104
01:02:46,015 --> 01:02:48,975
Speaker 5: I've used. This one works really well. There you go,

1105
01:02:51,415 --> 01:02:55,295
Speaker 5: whah after removing the silicon, wipe the space with kerosene

1106
01:02:55,295 --> 01:02:58,375
Speaker 5: and let it dry. The mold won't grow back from

1107
01:02:58,455 --> 01:03:03,255
Speaker 5: Sue haven't tried that. Interested about that. We'll talk about

1108
01:03:03,335 --> 01:03:08,295
Speaker 5: mixing concrete to the break, No, we'll talk to Noel first.

1109
01:03:08,815 --> 01:03:11,575
Speaker 5: Great things, Oh morning, Pete.

1110
01:03:11,655 --> 01:03:14,535
Speaker 6: Morning to listen to your every morning.

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01:03:14,575 --> 01:03:16,855
Speaker 19: I listened to it even morning and awesome. But this

1112
01:03:16,975 --> 01:03:23,935
Speaker 19: morning when asked you, uh about two weeks ago. Yeah,

1113
01:03:24,015 --> 01:03:25,615
Speaker 19: I'm just smell up in the there's a bit of

1114
01:03:25,655 --> 01:03:31,735
Speaker 19: a smell and uh, the wife's raised some poison outside. Yeah,

1115
01:03:31,735 --> 01:03:33,735
Speaker 19: I think it's up a little bugger. But he's going

1116
01:03:34,295 --> 01:03:38,295
Speaker 19: up on the roof. And now I've got to get

1117
01:03:38,375 --> 01:03:44,255
Speaker 19: up the woman now, you know, she said instance coming.

1118
01:03:44,375 --> 01:03:49,695
Speaker 19: She's spraying like now I'm signing the smell it's getting warmer,

1119
01:03:50,655 --> 01:03:52,255
Speaker 19: like my okay, I got to get up there. Now

1120
01:03:52,655 --> 01:03:54,695
Speaker 19: I can't. I can't. I can't walk around with that.

1121
01:03:56,175 --> 01:04:00,455
Speaker 19: Now that's above the front door. I've got I've got.

1122
01:04:02,415 --> 01:04:06,175
Speaker 5: Oh, I see, you've got, yes, the.

1123
01:04:06,375 --> 01:04:09,495
Speaker 19: Panel or panels. Now there's the only way into the

1124
01:04:09,575 --> 01:04:13,255
Speaker 19: top of the lounge. You can't get into the manhole,

1125
01:04:13,375 --> 01:04:16,175
Speaker 19: you know, you can't get into those. There's the only

1126
01:04:16,255 --> 01:04:18,335
Speaker 19: way in the rock around. She wants to jump into

1127
01:04:18,415 --> 01:04:20,295
Speaker 19: the eaves to the outside. I'm like, no, I can't

1128
01:04:20,295 --> 01:04:23,895
Speaker 19: get you. The too high and above the doors, like

1129
01:04:23,975 --> 01:04:27,135
Speaker 19: I was straight above the like right about the ceiling

1130
01:04:27,295 --> 01:04:29,855
Speaker 19: like right, take this panel look there, bos but although

1131
01:04:29,855 --> 01:04:34,495
Speaker 19: and ask the Christeners Bete, what what can I replace

1132
01:04:34,615 --> 01:04:38,135
Speaker 19: those panels with? Can I replace them with wooden peny?

1133
01:04:38,575 --> 01:04:38,695
Speaker 14: Uh?

1134
01:04:39,255 --> 01:04:43,695
Speaker 5: You can? So the most important question is have you

1135
01:04:43,855 --> 01:04:46,815
Speaker 5: already removed those asbistus panels? Okay?

1136
01:04:46,895 --> 01:04:47,215
Speaker 16: All right?

1137
01:04:48,495 --> 01:04:51,575
Speaker 5: Are you going to do that yourself? Are you going

1138
01:04:51,655 --> 01:04:52,615
Speaker 5: to get someone in to do it?

1139
01:04:54,095 --> 01:04:56,095
Speaker 19: Is only clouting nase holding them?

1140
01:04:56,495 --> 01:04:56,695
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1141
01:04:56,935 --> 01:05:02,855
Speaker 5: But which is fine And I'm almost his to say this,

1142
01:05:03,015 --> 01:05:05,855
Speaker 5: but legally you are actually out to remove teen square

1143
01:05:05,895 --> 01:05:08,335
Speaker 5: meters you south, but you have to do it in

1144
01:05:08,455 --> 01:05:10,015
Speaker 5: accordance with the guidelines.

1145
01:05:10,095 --> 01:05:13,895
Speaker 19: Right, So you know, did anyone goideline is take it off?

1146
01:05:14,175 --> 01:05:14,215
Speaker 13: No?

1147
01:05:14,455 --> 01:05:18,335
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, seriously, it's you know,

1148
01:05:18,775 --> 01:05:21,735
Speaker 5: there is a genuine risk to your health and the

1149
01:05:21,815 --> 01:05:23,615
Speaker 5: health of other people if you.

1150
01:05:25,175 --> 01:05:26,335
Speaker 19: I'm playing with some poison.

1151
01:05:26,815 --> 01:05:30,055
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so then yeah, I know, But how are

1152
01:05:30,095 --> 01:05:31,095
Speaker 5: you going to be careful?

1153
01:05:31,295 --> 01:05:31,415
Speaker 17: Right?

1154
01:05:31,815 --> 01:05:34,295
Speaker 5: So what's what's your methodology?

1155
01:05:35,215 --> 01:05:38,055
Speaker 19: Well, clouds are getting as close as I can to

1156
01:05:38,095 --> 01:05:40,455
Speaker 19: get that dead head. They can pull the cloud out.

1157
01:05:41,015 --> 01:05:44,415
Speaker 19: I can't. Well, I left you like going with like

1158
01:05:44,495 --> 01:05:47,535
Speaker 19: a like maybe I was thinking of going with a

1159
01:05:47,575 --> 01:05:51,255
Speaker 19: wholesalt go around that cloud will a wholesal.

1160
01:05:50,935 --> 01:05:53,175
Speaker 5: Just a bit bigger than yeah, and then what happens

1161
01:05:53,255 --> 01:05:59,495
Speaker 5: to the dusty you create the noel? I think you

1162
01:05:59,575 --> 01:06:02,895
Speaker 5: know there is a serious risk to health, right, So

1163
01:06:03,335 --> 01:06:08,095
Speaker 5: I would suggest that you don't do this work yourself.

1164
01:06:08,615 --> 01:06:10,735
Speaker 5: I would suggest that you get someone in to do it,

1165
01:06:11,775 --> 01:06:14,655
Speaker 5: or if you're insistent on doing it, that you go

1166
01:06:14,975 --> 01:06:19,215
Speaker 5: and educate yourself about how to do it properly. Right,

1167
01:06:20,375 --> 01:06:24,135
Speaker 5: And I'm almost reluctant to even give that advice, So

1168
01:06:24,815 --> 01:06:27,695
Speaker 5: you know, I think it's one of those situations where

1169
01:06:27,775 --> 01:06:32,415
Speaker 5: you can inadvertently risk your own health or risk the

1170
01:06:32,495 --> 01:06:35,295
Speaker 5: health of people that are around if you don't do

1171
01:06:35,535 --> 01:06:39,735
Speaker 5: that properly. And there are some pretty straightforward guidelines, so

1172
01:06:39,855 --> 01:06:42,095
Speaker 5: things like using a whole salt, for example, to create

1173
01:06:42,175 --> 01:06:45,775
Speaker 5: an opening probably not part of the guidelines. So time

1174
01:06:45,855 --> 01:06:47,375
Speaker 5: to sort of do a bit of reading on that,

1175
01:06:48,055 --> 01:06:50,175
Speaker 5: get some advice, and do it properly. And then the

1176
01:06:50,255 --> 01:06:52,095
Speaker 5: other thing is where you're going to dispose of it,

1177
01:06:52,135 --> 01:06:55,215
Speaker 5: because you can't just load it onto the trailer and

1178
01:06:55,295 --> 01:06:59,215
Speaker 5: take it down to your local you know, landfill or

1179
01:06:59,255 --> 01:07:00,975
Speaker 5: something like that. It's got to go to a proper

1180
01:07:01,095 --> 01:07:04,575
Speaker 5: disposal site as well. Otherwise it becomes somebody else's problem

1181
01:07:04,775 --> 01:07:08,135
Speaker 5: years later. Right, oh, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty,

1182
01:07:08,135 --> 01:07:08,735
Speaker 5: the number to four.

1183
01:07:08,815 --> 01:07:12,535
Speaker 1: We'll be back after the break Comma twice God was

1184
01:07:12,855 --> 01:07:16,415
Speaker 1: but maybe called Pete first, Peti walfcaf the resident builder.

1185
01:07:16,575 --> 01:07:19,095
Speaker 5: News talks they'd be you, and news talks they'd be

1186
01:07:19,135 --> 01:07:22,215
Speaker 5: we're let me see seven thirty eight here at Newstalks,

1187
01:07:22,255 --> 01:07:25,335
Speaker 5: they'd be Remember in the next hour, actually a guest

1188
01:07:25,495 --> 01:07:28,535
Speaker 5: coming into the studio, Conrad Lpont from Habitat for Humanity.

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about actually a recent project of

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01:07:31,335 --> 01:07:34,335
Speaker 5: There's that won an award which is tremendous, a little

1191
01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:38,775
Speaker 5: bit about dense intensification, because that's a bit of a

1192
01:07:38,815 --> 01:07:40,615
Speaker 5: hot topic at the moment. In fact, we could have

1193
01:07:40,615 --> 01:07:42,775
Speaker 5: talked about that on the show today. There was an

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01:07:42,815 --> 01:07:46,055
Speaker 5: interesting public meeting from the good people over in Kingsland

1195
01:07:46,095 --> 01:07:50,015
Speaker 5: Way and Auckland It, I suppose upset at the prospect

1196
01:07:50,095 --> 01:07:52,335
Speaker 5: that maybe someone's going to build a fifteen story apartment

1197
01:07:52,375 --> 01:07:55,255
Speaker 5: block right next to their old house. So there is

1198
01:07:55,495 --> 01:07:58,255
Speaker 5: there is, you know, some obvious concern around that happening.

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01:07:59,535 --> 01:08:02,375
Speaker 5: And now just also just before we talked to Mel,

1200
01:08:02,895 --> 01:08:05,775
Speaker 5: someone stepped through and said, did Noel, realize you're meaning

1201
01:08:05,815 --> 01:08:07,895
Speaker 5: a danger from the asbestos or was he thinking you

1202
01:08:07,975 --> 01:08:12,055
Speaker 5: meant danger from the poisoned animal. I'm going to take

1203
01:08:12,055 --> 01:08:12,575
Speaker 5: you at your word.

1204
01:08:12,695 --> 01:08:12,775
Speaker 10: Now.

1205
01:08:12,815 --> 01:08:16,175
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that he hopefully now understands the risks

1206
01:08:16,295 --> 01:08:22,815
Speaker 5: involved in asbestos removal or working with asbestos or ACM materials.

1207
01:08:23,095 --> 01:08:27,375
Speaker 5: So there are some very clear guidelines and ideally i'd

1208
01:08:27,415 --> 01:08:31,335
Speaker 5: say you get it done by a professional. But legally

1209
01:08:31,495 --> 01:08:34,375
Speaker 5: you are actually as a homeowner, allowed to do a

1210
01:08:34,535 --> 01:08:37,775
Speaker 5: limited amount of work, but that doesn't exempt you from

1211
01:08:37,895 --> 01:08:42,615
Speaker 5: your responsibility to do it in accordance with best practice guidelines.

1212
01:08:43,535 --> 01:08:46,495
Speaker 5: And if you don't know what those guidelines are, then

1213
01:08:46,575 --> 01:08:49,735
Speaker 5: you simply shouldn't do the work, in my opinion, Radio

1214
01:08:49,815 --> 01:08:53,735
Speaker 5: seventy forty on the Dot, Mal, good morning, from morning,

1215
01:08:53,815 --> 01:08:55,895
Speaker 5: How are you very well? How can I help?

1216
01:08:57,215 --> 01:08:57,495
Speaker 16: Okay?

1217
01:08:57,615 --> 01:09:01,495
Speaker 13: So last night went round to check a friend who

1218
01:09:01,575 --> 01:09:05,535
Speaker 13: was after a friend's cat. Couldn't find cat who her mowing.

1219
01:09:06,615 --> 01:09:09,895
Speaker 13: This is like a large garage with a drawlling on

1220
01:09:09,975 --> 01:09:13,655
Speaker 13: the side of a brand new beld figured out the

1221
01:09:13,695 --> 01:09:17,815
Speaker 13: cat was in between the steel steel beam and the

1222
01:09:17,935 --> 01:09:23,655
Speaker 13: jib and the wood framing. Couldn't get her out any

1223
01:09:23,815 --> 01:09:27,695
Speaker 13: other way. So I had to remove the panels off

1224
01:09:27,735 --> 01:09:31,255
Speaker 13: the side of the house outside of the house. Yep,

1225
01:09:32,135 --> 01:09:33,255
Speaker 13: it's quite. There was that bad.

1226
01:09:33,935 --> 01:09:35,175
Speaker 7: She was completely stuck.

1227
01:09:35,335 --> 01:09:39,535
Speaker 13: And then I had to hit the jib with a

1228
01:09:39,655 --> 01:09:42,055
Speaker 13: hammer to be able to make a hole which.

1229
01:09:41,895 --> 01:09:43,055
Speaker 7: I then climbed through.

1230
01:09:43,175 --> 01:09:45,095
Speaker 13: The hole big enough for me that went to the

1231
01:09:45,175 --> 01:09:47,895
Speaker 13: wardrobe to get into the house because we couldn't get

1232
01:09:47,895 --> 01:09:50,255
Speaker 13: into the house because there was no key. And then

1233
01:09:50,295 --> 01:09:52,215
Speaker 13: I had to make a small hole in another bit

1234
01:09:52,255 --> 01:09:57,215
Speaker 13: of jib to get the cat out, to get the

1235
01:09:57,295 --> 01:10:04,415
Speaker 13: cat out, siling off the cat out. Wow, yeah, yeah,

1236
01:10:04,535 --> 01:10:07,775
Speaker 13: it was quite you know, it was quite the ordeal.

1237
01:10:10,335 --> 01:10:12,615
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, going my Saturday night.

1238
01:10:13,175 --> 01:10:16,535
Speaker 13: So now I've managed to put the panels on the

1239
01:10:16,575 --> 01:10:18,375
Speaker 13: back of the house because obviously it rained, it was

1240
01:10:18,455 --> 01:10:21,055
Speaker 13: going to rain, so put those sheet panels back, screwed

1241
01:10:21,095 --> 01:10:24,175
Speaker 13: them back in. But now I've got this big hole

1242
01:10:24,655 --> 01:10:26,895
Speaker 13: where the jib was where I climbed through.

1243
01:10:27,895 --> 01:10:31,855
Speaker 7: Yeah, so what before she sits home and doesn't know

1244
01:10:31,935 --> 01:10:32,455
Speaker 7: that I've done it?

1245
01:10:33,615 --> 01:10:34,175
Speaker 13: What do I do?

1246
01:10:35,255 --> 01:10:37,095
Speaker 7: Don't this call a builder? Or is there can I

1247
01:10:37,695 --> 01:10:42,015
Speaker 7: cut it and go to Bunnings and or play somewhere?

1248
01:10:43,895 --> 01:10:44,695
Speaker 12: It was quite funny.

1249
01:10:44,815 --> 01:10:48,135
Speaker 5: Well yeah, well yes, it would have been funny last night.

1250
01:10:48,415 --> 01:10:52,215
Speaker 5: It's probably not going to end well, can I can

1251
01:10:52,255 --> 01:10:54,975
Speaker 5: I just ask you? You talk about sort of removing

1252
01:10:55,055 --> 01:10:57,855
Speaker 5: a panel from the outside and then screwing it back in.

1253
01:10:58,495 --> 01:11:00,735
Speaker 5: What type of planting allows you to do that?

1254
01:11:02,335 --> 01:11:05,655
Speaker 7: Like, you know, like this roofing, like steel roofing.

1255
01:11:05,855 --> 01:11:07,975
Speaker 5: Oh is it corriger Diane on the exterior?

1256
01:11:08,135 --> 01:11:10,975
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I'm not much

1257
01:11:10,975 --> 01:11:13,095
Speaker 7: of a builder, so yeah, so I just got a

1258
01:11:13,775 --> 01:11:14,655
Speaker 7: drill with a.

1259
01:11:16,735 --> 01:11:20,735
Speaker 5: Wow. But then I presume that behind that was a cavity,

1260
01:11:20,815 --> 01:11:23,575
Speaker 5: and then behind that was some building paper. So did

1261
01:11:23,615 --> 01:11:25,615
Speaker 5: you have to cut through the building paper as well?

1262
01:11:25,935 --> 01:11:26,135
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1263
01:11:26,575 --> 01:11:29,415
Speaker 13: Yeah, so yeah, like there was a building paper, then

1264
01:11:29,495 --> 01:11:31,775
Speaker 13: the cladding, so I cut that. Then I made a

1265
01:11:31,815 --> 01:11:33,775
Speaker 13: hole big enough for me to like with a hammer

1266
01:11:33,855 --> 01:11:37,175
Speaker 13: to like fit through, so I wouldn't been able to

1267
01:11:37,215 --> 01:11:39,055
Speaker 13: get through there, which ended up in the wardrobe, which

1268
01:11:39,095 --> 01:11:41,815
Speaker 13: was great. So I got into the wardrobe. Yeah, and

1269
01:11:41,935 --> 01:11:44,415
Speaker 13: then there was obviously the panel that was up against

1270
01:11:44,495 --> 01:11:47,775
Speaker 13: the wood framing that she was stuck in. So she

1271
01:11:48,015 --> 01:11:50,775
Speaker 13: had found a hole and then fallen down probably like

1272
01:11:50,935 --> 01:11:51,495
Speaker 13: three meters.

1273
01:11:52,895 --> 01:11:54,335
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, far out.

1274
01:11:54,695 --> 01:12:00,415
Speaker 5: Okay, so how do I fix it? Okay, look to

1275
01:12:00,535 --> 01:12:05,135
Speaker 5: be fair. I would because it's it's involves exterior cladding. Right,

1276
01:12:06,415 --> 01:12:10,815
Speaker 5: then we're talking weather tightness, the fact that the well,

1277
01:12:10,855 --> 01:12:15,055
Speaker 5: there's the insulation as well, there's you know, cutting through

1278
01:12:15,215 --> 01:12:18,695
Speaker 5: the building wrap. You know, you want to make sure

1279
01:12:18,735 --> 01:12:21,495
Speaker 5: that that's put back properly, that the clouding is put

1280
01:12:21,575 --> 01:12:24,295
Speaker 5: back properly. Then if you're going to do the plasterboard

1281
01:12:24,335 --> 01:12:27,215
Speaker 5: on the inside, it sounds like you've had to cut

1282
01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:30,255
Speaker 5: a halfway decent size hole in there. Yes, you can

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Speaker 5: go cut it to the studs, put it in, but

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Speaker 5: then you've got to do the stopping. Then you've going

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Speaker 5: to do the standing, Then you've got to do the primer.

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Speaker 5: Then you've got to do the top coat.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 5: I wonder whether given that you were acting for the

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Speaker 5: homeowner or for someone there to rescue their cat, you

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Speaker 5: kind of just put your hand up and say, look,

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Speaker 5: this is what's happened. And then I would go to

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Speaker 5: the insurer and say, look, in this instance, I've had

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Speaker 5: to do all this work and get an insurance claim

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Speaker 5: for it, and then the insurer can get a professional

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Speaker 5: to repair all of this rather than have a go yourself.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there was no way that the that would have

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Speaker 13: been able to get out any other way. Yeah, so

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Speaker 13: she'd fallen down that you know, those steel beams, and

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Speaker 13: it was like she was locked in there. Okay, insurance,

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Speaker 13: that's what.

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Speaker 5: I because I'm also thinking about protecting you know, that

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Speaker 5: build for the next twenty years, right.

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Speaker 8: So true.

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Speaker 5: You know, if if inadvertently you've left a pathway for

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01:13:27,615 --> 01:13:30,055
Speaker 5: water to get in or something like that, then that's

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01:13:30,095 --> 01:13:32,415
Speaker 5: going to have some serious knock on effects. So rather

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Speaker 5: than try and come up with a quick solution, now,

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Speaker 5: a good solution would be to get the insurers involved

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01:13:39,695 --> 01:13:43,455
Speaker 5: and have them do the remediation. Now, maybe you feel

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Speaker 5: that you want to control the homeowner is going to

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Speaker 5: pay for it, So that's what I would do. Wel

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Speaker 5: have made the rescue possibly one of one of the

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Speaker 5: most amazing stories I've ever heard on the show.

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Speaker 13: I have to say, oh, well, you know how it goes.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely okay, I'd be sure that guest CML. Wow. Now

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Speaker 5: I come to work on a Sunday morning and I'm

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Speaker 5: driving in and I'm thinking, what sorts of things might

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Speaker 5: we talk about on the show today, What sorts of

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01:14:17,935 --> 01:14:22,975
Speaker 5: scenarios might we encounter rescuing a cat from a cavity?

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Speaker 5: Inside a building by removing some cladding and smacking a

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Speaker 5: hole in the jib board and getting the cat out

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Speaker 5: is probably not something that I would have thought we

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Speaker 5: would ever talk about on the show, but I'm pleased

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Speaker 5: we have. I'm going to take a break. We'll be

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Speaker 5: back with Jeff soon.

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Speaker 1: Doing other house sorting the garden asked Pete for a hand.

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Speaker 1: It's a resident builder with Peter Wolfcap Call OH eight

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Speaker 1: News Talk ZVY.

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Speaker 5: Joining us today is Hayden Simpson from Simpson Residential, based

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Speaker 5: on the glorious West coast of the South Island, a

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Speaker 5: really strong focus on new builds, renovations, portable. Hayden brings

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Speaker 5: a wealth of hands on experience to the table. Today

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Speaker 5: we're gonna have a bit of a chat about working

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Speaker 5: with Jayframe and why it's become a go to choice

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Speaker 5: for his construction Talkit morning to you, Hayden, Pete.

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Speaker 6: How are you?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Pretty good? Actually, hey, now you've worked with a range

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Speaker 5: of framing materials over the years, so what stood out

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01:15:15,335 --> 01:15:17,815
Speaker 5: to you when you first started using Jframe.

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Speaker 13: We were really.

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Speaker 18: Surprised how straight it was straight out of the pack.

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Speaker 18: So yeah, it was amazing compared to standard and the

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01:15:28,295 --> 01:15:32,735
Speaker 18: price was pretty appealing. You know, it wasn't really pricey

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Speaker 18: for what we were getting because.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes people think, oh, it's going to be way more

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Speaker 5: pricier than standardstick framing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: No, we're really surprised. It was pretty competitive.

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Speaker 5: And in terms of you know, a time on site

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01:15:43,895 --> 01:15:46,215
Speaker 5: when you're using the jframe for the framing and it's

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01:15:46,295 --> 01:15:49,695
Speaker 5: helped streamline the build or maybe even solve the tricky challenge.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: You know, we built our frames sometimes not always pre

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01:15:56,535 --> 01:15:59,655
Speaker 18: nailed sure, and we saved a huge amount of time

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01:15:59,815 --> 01:16:02,815
Speaker 18: just by pulling out the lengths out of the pack

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01:16:02,975 --> 01:16:04,935
Speaker 18: and you didn't have to eyeball on to see what

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01:16:05,535 --> 01:16:08,335
Speaker 18: was straight for top plates and get all your bows

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01:16:08,455 --> 01:16:11,095
Speaker 18: up or anything. You just pretty much grabbed your stick

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Speaker 18: septimber and nailed them straight in.

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Speaker 5: You just start from the top of the pack and

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Speaker 5: work your way to the bottom and then grab every peace. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I know exactly what you mean. Hey, from builders perspective,

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Speaker 5: how has jfrown It's influenced, let's say, influence the way

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Speaker 5: that your team works, Like any noticeable gains and speed,

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Speaker 5: cost consistency.

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Speaker 18: Yes, especially when it comes to straightening frames. You know,

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Speaker 18: you stood them and you get your braces on. Don't

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Speaker 18: get me wrong, you still got to put your temporary

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Speaker 18: braces on. We went battling top plates that were looking

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Speaker 18: like bananas and that sort of thing, so that really

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Speaker 18: sped things up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Hey, and for you guys down on the west coast,

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Speaker 5: you've got some exciting projects underway. What's the current build

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Speaker 5: going and how is jframe playing a role in that?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, we've got quite a big job going. It's just

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01:16:57,695 --> 01:17:02,175
Speaker 18: under five hundred square meters and our frames have been

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Speaker 18: in the weather a little bit longer.

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Speaker 16: Yes, just because of the size of the build.

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Speaker 18: And that we noticed jaframe handles the weather a lot better,

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Speaker 18: doesn't walk and twist.

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Speaker 19: And that sort of thing.

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Speaker 16: We also have some quite high studs and that.

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Speaker 18: Job, and it seems to be a real advantage when

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Speaker 18: you're doing higher studs with jframe less straightening absolutely.

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Speaker 9: Hey.

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Speaker 5: And you're also going to look at using a bit

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Speaker 5: of trieboard. Where are you going to use that?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, there's an attic area for the grandkids really to

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Speaker 18: play and that sort of thing. So it was needed

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Speaker 18: something that was going to handle the not Yes, and

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Speaker 18: in the environment of the attic it was a dark

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Speaker 18: roof between trusses. It was concerned class board finished if

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Speaker 18: something could crack down the line. So we're going to

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Speaker 18: we show triboard to the clients and they were king.

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Speaker 18: So yeah, we're going to give that a nudge. And

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Speaker 18: I'm pretty excited to see how that's going to turn out.

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Speaker 5: I've used it in that setting myself and I'm sure

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Speaker 5: you won't be disappointed. Hey, thanks very much for your time.

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Speaker 5: If you're interested in checking out Hayden's work, have a

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01:18:04,775 --> 01:18:08,375
Speaker 5: look at the website, which is Simpson Residential dot com.

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01:18:09,735 --> 01:18:11,535
Speaker 5: And if you want to find out more about j

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01:18:11,735 --> 01:18:13,975
Speaker 5: n L, so about the J frame or the triboard

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Speaker 5: or the triboard t g n V, check out j

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Speaker 5: n L dot co dot m Z all the gination

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01:18:21,335 --> 01:18:24,055
Speaker 5: z B. Right, let's get back into it. We've got

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Speaker 5: a couple of minutes before we go to the break.

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01:18:26,055 --> 01:18:29,015
Speaker 5: After the break, of course, Conrad Lupond from habitat here,

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01:18:29,175 --> 01:18:32,415
Speaker 5: So Jeff, very quick question from you, sir.

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01:18:35,095 --> 01:18:38,975
Speaker 16: Quick president. We own a rental with skillion ceiling over

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01:18:39,055 --> 01:18:41,815
Speaker 16: the living area and our roof is ethic. We need

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01:18:41,935 --> 01:18:45,415
Speaker 16: to re root. Two questions. What is the best material

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01:18:45,615 --> 01:18:48,695
Speaker 16: for the roots strong enough to get to not get

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01:18:48,775 --> 01:18:55,175
Speaker 16: desit when maturely sweeps walk over. And should we reinsulate

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01:18:55,775 --> 01:18:59,455
Speaker 16: above the skillion? Yes, so I imagined it was quite

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01:18:59,575 --> 01:19:04,935
Speaker 16: old back to whatever yep, just above the skillion we

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01:19:04,975 --> 01:19:05,695
Speaker 16: need to worry about.

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01:19:05,975 --> 01:19:09,295
Speaker 5: Yeah, fantastic, Look, fantastic opportunity because you know that it's

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01:19:09,335 --> 01:19:13,255
Speaker 5: a hard space to get back into, and so reroofing

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01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:16,775
Speaker 5: is the perfect opportunity to do something in that for

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Speaker 5: the insulation in there. Look, if you know standard CORRIGERDN,

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Speaker 5: and I tend to for my own preference. There's no

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01:19:24,815 --> 01:19:27,655
Speaker 5: real reason to do it, but it's a preference as

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01:19:27,695 --> 01:19:32,255
Speaker 5: I always go FORER point five five gauge. If you're

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Speaker 5: going for a standard corrugate profile, there is one profile

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01:19:37,055 --> 01:19:39,975
Speaker 5: called true oak, which is a little bit more like

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01:19:40,135 --> 01:19:44,095
Speaker 5: the old original corrugate. So it's a higher profile with

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01:19:44,335 --> 01:19:48,495
Speaker 5: so a higher ridge, lower trough sort of thing. Because yeah,

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01:19:48,495 --> 01:19:51,455
Speaker 5: it's called true oak. So look, it is CORRIGI dying,

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01:19:51,575 --> 01:19:55,215
Speaker 5: but it's more like the old CORRUGAI DRON and I

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01:19:55,415 --> 01:19:58,135
Speaker 5: found it to be stiffer because of the way that

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01:19:58,215 --> 01:20:02,535
Speaker 5: the cor the corrugations are profiled, right, they're taller, which

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01:20:02,615 --> 01:20:05,375
Speaker 5: makes some stiffer. So if you go point five to

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Speaker 5: five if you went corrugate and you went true oak,

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01:20:08,535 --> 01:20:12,415
Speaker 5: and chances are with the dechromastic, when you take that

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01:20:12,535 --> 01:20:15,895
Speaker 5: dechromastic off, you'll have to remove all of the old batterns.

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Speaker 5: So you know, typically maximum span between the peerlins is

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01:20:20,295 --> 01:20:23,135
Speaker 5: nine hundred. You might find that actually you end up

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01:20:23,295 --> 01:20:26,135
Speaker 5: putting one extra row of pearlins in so they're at

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01:20:26,415 --> 01:20:29,495
Speaker 5: you know, seven sixty for example, so that if somebody

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01:20:29,575 --> 01:20:32,015
Speaker 5: has to walk on the roof, they can step easily

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01:20:32,215 --> 01:20:35,095
Speaker 5: from pearlin row to perlin row. So an extra row

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01:20:35,135 --> 01:20:38,415
Speaker 5: of perlins. I've even seen it done where guys will

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01:20:38,455 --> 01:20:41,935
Speaker 5: do they'll do their perlins at four fifty centers but

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01:20:42,135 --> 01:20:44,855
Speaker 5: only fix off at nine hundred centers, which is all

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01:20:44,895 --> 01:20:46,855
Speaker 5: you need for the iron. But what it does do

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01:20:47,015 --> 01:20:50,015
Speaker 5: is give you more strength. But you know, you look

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01:20:50,055 --> 01:20:53,935
Speaker 5: to be fair new perlins, true oak profile point five

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01:20:53,975 --> 01:20:55,455
Speaker 5: to five gauge, you'll be fine.

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Speaker 8: Cool.

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Speaker 16: Okay, that's great, thank very much.

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Speaker 5: Excellent and installation one hundred percent. You can do that

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01:21:03,015 --> 01:21:05,535
Speaker 5: if you wanted to get super funky, have a look

1455
01:21:05,575 --> 01:21:09,055
Speaker 5: at where you or vapor controllers, so where you're building

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01:21:09,135 --> 01:21:12,735
Speaker 5: paper goes and the option of maybe adding some ventilation

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01:21:12,975 --> 01:21:17,855
Speaker 5: into there if you really want to knock yourself out,

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01:21:17,895 --> 01:21:19,455
Speaker 5: go and have a read of some of the brand's

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01:21:19,535 --> 01:21:24,615
Speaker 5: guidelines for insulating skillion roofs around moisture control. And that's

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Speaker 5: really really important. Thank you, Jeff, all the very best

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Speaker 5: you and good luck with that, Pete. Somebody should say

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Speaker 5: that jaframe is an LVL prole as an lemonade of

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01:21:37,175 --> 01:21:41,695
Speaker 5: near lumber, hence it's straightness and strength. Henry, You're absolutely right.

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01:21:42,975 --> 01:21:45,215
Speaker 5: I've sort of got used to talking about jframe thinking

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01:21:45,255 --> 01:21:46,935
Speaker 5: that most people know what it is. But you're right.

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01:21:47,335 --> 01:21:51,935
Speaker 5: Jframe is an LVL which adds tremendous strength, straightness, and

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Speaker 5: to the timber and that is inherently white. It performed

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01:21:57,295 --> 01:22:00,215
Speaker 5: so well in terms of framing, certainly. I've loved it.

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Speaker 5: Oh and someone's answered the question about the ventilation twenty

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Speaker 5: five hundred millimeters squared per one square meter of floor area,

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Speaker 5: opening is no more than one point eight meters apart

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Speaker 5: and no more than seven to fifty from each corner.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Someone's gone to three six oh

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Speaker 5: four and found that information. Right, we are back after

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01:22:20,975 --> 01:22:24,855
Speaker 5: news sport and whether Conrad Lapont from Habitat for Humanity

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01:22:24,975 --> 01:22:27,615
Speaker 5: is going to join me here in the studio back.

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Speaker 1: After the news, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence,

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01:22:36,615 --> 01:22:38,695
Speaker 1: or wondering how to fix that hole in the wall,

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01:22:38,775 --> 01:22:42,495
Speaker 1: do you have feeder wolf Cap call on eighty the

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01:22:42,655 --> 01:22:46,455
Speaker 1: resident builder on NEWSTALKSB write.

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Speaker 5: Own News Talk CB. Welcome back to the program. My

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01:22:48,535 --> 01:22:51,455
Speaker 5: name's Pete wolf Camp. This is News Talk CB. Obviously

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01:22:51,535 --> 01:22:53,855
Speaker 5: it is six minutes after eight. We've got red Climb

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01:22:53,895 --> 01:22:57,175
Speaker 5: passed at eight o'clock. Conrad's here with me. We're already

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01:22:57,255 --> 01:23:00,735
Speaker 5: chatting away, so we're going to get into that. I

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01:23:00,855 --> 01:23:02,655
Speaker 5: just need to do a bit of quick housekeeping, so

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01:23:03,255 --> 01:23:05,895
Speaker 5: made of mine text me and went, hey, that conversation

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01:23:06,015 --> 01:23:09,495
Speaker 5: before the news about replacing dechromastic with let's say long

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01:23:09,575 --> 01:23:11,335
Speaker 5: run having to add perlins and that sort of thing

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01:23:11,655 --> 01:23:14,215
Speaker 5: will probably also trigger a requirement for a building consent.

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01:23:14,335 --> 01:23:18,015
Speaker 5: So thank you very much for letting me know about that. Also,

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Speaker 5: I've mentioned these serene heaters a number of times. It

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Speaker 5: takes a couple of seconds to do a quick Google

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Speaker 5: search to see which ones are the ones that have

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01:23:27,975 --> 01:23:31,375
Speaker 5: been issued with a notice basically to remove them. So

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Speaker 5: the work Safe website's got information about that. It was

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Speaker 5: one model, but it's been extended to several of these models.

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Speaker 5: So if you think you've got it there, make sure

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Speaker 5: you get the right information, find out about it. And

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Speaker 5: I was going to have my great, big indignant rant

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Speaker 5: about this new tool, and I've forgotten all about it.

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Speaker 5: So hold your horses, folks. I'll do that next Sunday

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01:23:54,295 --> 01:23:56,175
Speaker 5: on the program. I promise you I will still be

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Speaker 5: as upset as I was this week about that particular one.

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Speaker 5: That is all by the bye, because it is my

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Speaker 5: great pleasure now to welcome to the studio Conrad Laponk

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Speaker 5: from have a very good morning, and thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 9: Not at all, thanks good to be here.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: You and I have talked a couple of times over

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Speaker 5: the years about the work that you do, and I

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01:24:15,375 --> 01:24:17,335
Speaker 5: think that I'm reasonably familiar with it, and I think

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01:24:17,375 --> 01:24:20,455
Speaker 5: that most people are, but inevitably people aren't. So what

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01:24:20,775 --> 01:24:23,335
Speaker 5: is it that Habitat for Humanity does well?

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Speaker 20: We Ultimately we're a housing charity or a community housing provider,

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01:24:29,015 --> 01:24:31,535
Speaker 20: and we do a range of work around affordable housing.

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01:24:31,655 --> 01:24:35,055
Speaker 20: We build and develop and own and manage a lot

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01:24:35,095 --> 01:24:37,535
Speaker 20: of new housing, and that's all the way from public

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01:24:37,615 --> 01:24:41,055
Speaker 20: housing through to progressive home ownership, So this is ownership

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01:24:41,135 --> 01:24:44,215
Speaker 20: opportunities for people who just need that bit of hand

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01:24:44,295 --> 01:24:48,815
Speaker 20: up into home ownership. And we also do a home

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01:24:48,895 --> 01:24:53,855
Speaker 20: repair scheme across the country for existing properties, largely focused

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01:24:53,895 --> 01:24:56,975
Speaker 20: i think, really on people living in place, so people

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01:24:58,135 --> 01:25:00,815
Speaker 20: have a stroke and might need an accessibility access into

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01:25:00,855 --> 01:25:02,775
Speaker 20: their own home. See a lot of that sort of

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01:25:02,895 --> 01:25:07,335
Speaker 20: work through zero interest finance and just helping people just

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Speaker 20: stay in their homes. And obviously we do a huge

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Speaker 20: amount of international work across the world in over seventy countries,

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Speaker 20: but our work very much here in New Zealand is

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Speaker 20: focused on our domestic housing needs.

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Speaker 5: And of course you also run the curtain bank, you know,

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01:25:24,175 --> 01:25:28,695
Speaker 5: which is a really straightforward solution to you know, we'd

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Speaker 5: love to be doing flesh stuff with windows and all

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Speaker 5: the rest of it, but ultimately you do what you

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01:25:33,855 --> 01:25:36,415
Speaker 5: can to solve the problem and explain.

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Speaker 20: Some people would say it's a small thing, but it

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01:25:39,375 --> 01:25:42,055
Speaker 20: was there too. We were set up really to fit

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Speaker 20: a gap because under the Healthy Homes Guarantee Act.

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01:25:44,215 --> 01:25:46,975
Speaker 9: We've been banging on about this for years.

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01:25:47,055 --> 01:25:52,535
Speaker 20: To be honest, there's there's no you don't have to

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01:25:52,615 --> 01:25:56,735
Speaker 20: as a landlord fit window coverings and even coverings. So

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01:25:57,815 --> 01:25:59,895
Speaker 20: we set up the curtain bank just to enable people

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01:25:59,935 --> 01:26:02,735
Speaker 20: and this is most people living in rental homes, yes,

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01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,775
Speaker 20: who can come to us. They can either purchase the

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01:26:05,855 --> 01:26:09,255
Speaker 20: curtains very low cost or through a lot of programs

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01:26:09,295 --> 01:26:13,095
Speaker 20: and referrals we do. We fit curtains for free for people, right.

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Speaker 9: And it's theirs.

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Speaker 20: So I think last year we did eleven and a

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01:26:17,935 --> 01:26:19,975
Speaker 20: half thousand curtains here in Auckland.

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Speaker 9: Wow up in.

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Speaker 20: So yeah, there's a lot, that's a lot of windows

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01:26:24,815 --> 01:26:28,055
Speaker 20: and yeah it's important just to keep people warm.

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01:26:28,295 --> 01:26:30,655
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. And then as I'm driving around, I'm

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01:26:30,695 --> 01:26:35,535
Speaker 5: realizing the extent of the scope and scale in reach

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01:26:35,655 --> 01:26:38,015
Speaker 5: of habitat as the restore stores as well.

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01:26:38,295 --> 01:26:40,455
Speaker 20: Yeah yeah, we've got a chain of second hand shops

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Speaker 20: across the country.

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Speaker 13: Yep.

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Speaker 20: And actually after here, I'm just going to open a

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01:26:44,135 --> 01:26:47,935
Speaker 20: new one in coumu oh brilliant. Yeah, so going out

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01:26:48,055 --> 01:26:50,935
Speaker 20: out there as we've been really welcomed by the community there. Yes,

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Speaker 20: you know again it's it's not just your Rodbridge charity shop.

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01:26:54,375 --> 01:26:56,455
Speaker 20: We've got all sorts of things like building materials and

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01:26:56,535 --> 01:26:59,415
Speaker 20: things like that available for people to pick up very cheaply.

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Speaker 20: So it's just you know, using that circular economy stuff.

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Speaker 9: YEP.

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Speaker 5: To be fair, I've been out to Eastomachy number of

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01:27:05,935 --> 01:27:09,095
Speaker 5: times to either drop stuff off. But while I've been there,

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01:27:09,135 --> 01:27:11,135
Speaker 5: it's like, gosh, I could pick up a box of

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01:27:11,215 --> 01:27:14,455
Speaker 5: tiles for not much money at all. So that's a

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Speaker 5: tremendously lot of tiles. And you get a lot of

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Speaker 5: support from the community in terms of donations into the

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Speaker 5: restore stores.

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Speaker 20: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, we are, we do, and

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01:27:24,335 --> 01:27:27,615
Speaker 20: it's wonderful. I mean there's a lot of other charities

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01:27:27,695 --> 01:27:30,775
Speaker 20: as well that I know people support, and their causes

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01:27:30,775 --> 01:27:34,055
Speaker 20: are equally as important. Sure, we're very fortunate that we

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01:27:34,215 --> 01:27:36,575
Speaker 20: have a lot of people who are giving to us

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01:27:36,615 --> 01:27:41,535
Speaker 20: and letting us sort of their preloved goods just to

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01:27:41,735 --> 01:27:43,655
Speaker 20: enable us to do more so we can fit more

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Speaker 20: curtains and build more homes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So there's a couple of different models that you've mentioned

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01:27:48,335 --> 01:27:53,415
Speaker 5: around helping provide housing for people who need assistance. Some

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01:27:53,615 --> 01:27:56,495
Speaker 5: of that is progressive home ownership, and another part of

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01:27:56,535 --> 01:27:59,015
Speaker 5: it is actually providing housing that you then continue to

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Speaker 5: look after. So the Warren Place that recently got an award,

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Speaker 5: tell us about the award and where it is why

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01:28:07,015 --> 01:28:09,815
Speaker 5: why did they award you guys not surprised.

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Speaker 9: But we were at the time. Yeah, perfinitely honest. Yeah.

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Speaker 20: So this is the New Zealand Property councils who every

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Speaker 20: year have their housing and property awards, and our developmentier

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Speaker 20: we called it Warren Place after our one of the

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Speaker 20: first ever members of staff for Habitat who's been with

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01:28:27,575 --> 01:28:29,935
Speaker 20: nearly twenty five years now, a gentleman called Warren Jack.

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Speaker 20: And this was in fun today. It was twenty three

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01:28:33,495 --> 01:28:38,095
Speaker 20: two story homes yep. And this was for public housing.

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Speaker 20: So Habitat we developed them. We will own them and

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Speaker 20: we will manage them and people on the public Housing

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Speaker 20: Register will be able to utilize them. So I think

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Speaker 20: I think one of the one of the reasons we

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01:28:49,335 --> 01:28:51,655
Speaker 20: won the award is when we when we looked at

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01:28:52,295 --> 01:28:56,815
Speaker 20: the space that we were going to occupy, right, we could,

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01:28:57,135 --> 01:29:00,975
Speaker 20: under under planning regulations have put three story homes there, right,

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Speaker 20: But when we actually looked at the suburb, the suburb

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01:29:05,535 --> 01:29:08,255
Speaker 20: there is a lot of single story housing, but they're

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01:29:08,295 --> 01:29:13,735
Speaker 20: mostly timber clads, apex roof and we really wanted to

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Speaker 20: fit in.

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01:29:15,215 --> 01:29:16,095
Speaker 9: We didn't want this.

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01:29:16,255 --> 01:29:19,815
Speaker 20: To look first and foremost like public housing, but also

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01:29:19,895 --> 01:29:23,055
Speaker 20: we really wanted it to have that sense settling, in

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01:29:23,135 --> 01:29:26,495
Speaker 20: that sense of space, so we went for terraced housing

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01:29:26,775 --> 01:29:30,855
Speaker 20: fifteen of which of the twenty three have roadside frontage

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01:29:31,455 --> 01:29:34,935
Speaker 20: apex roofs. We had timber cladding on them as well,

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01:29:35,055 --> 01:29:37,335
Speaker 20: so they really fit in and I think that was

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01:29:37,455 --> 01:29:42,015
Speaker 20: quite commended by the judging panel. We also have a

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01:29:42,295 --> 01:29:44,695
Speaker 20: shared community hub, so one of the units will also

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01:29:44,735 --> 01:29:48,655
Speaker 20: be used for children's play and parties and things, and

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01:29:48,735 --> 01:29:51,535
Speaker 20: that's next to the children's garden. We have an office

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01:29:51,575 --> 01:29:55,575
Speaker 20: there as well that habitat runs. And we also have

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01:29:56,255 --> 01:30:00,215
Speaker 20: full solar panels across, so every unit has the ability

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01:30:00,255 --> 01:30:05,255
Speaker 20: to utilize solar in there as well, so that's very helpful. Yes,

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01:30:05,455 --> 01:30:08,255
Speaker 20: and parking for all as well as well as bike rags.

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01:30:08,575 --> 01:30:12,095
Speaker 5: Wow, okay, So I mean if you're thinking about, you

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01:30:12,175 --> 01:30:16,015
Speaker 5: know what intensification looks like, and you know, I think

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01:30:16,055 --> 01:30:18,975
Speaker 5: these reasonable grounds to criticize some of it when it's

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01:30:19,055 --> 01:30:23,455
Speaker 5: done poorly. To be fear this sounds like it's done well.

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01:30:24,735 --> 01:30:26,895
Speaker 9: Yeah, well we hope, so we think so.

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01:30:28,135 --> 01:30:30,335
Speaker 20: Yeah, And look, it does take a little bit of

1630
01:30:30,375 --> 01:30:34,215
Speaker 20: sacrifice along the way in terms of yield and you

1631
01:30:34,295 --> 01:30:36,975
Speaker 20: know what margin you're going to create in the development.

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01:30:37,615 --> 01:30:40,695
Speaker 20: But we certainly felt that probably losing three or four

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01:30:40,735 --> 01:30:48,015
Speaker 20: percent on the margin was really a that was quite

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01:30:48,055 --> 01:30:50,495
Speaker 20: easy to do considering the benefits we were going to get,

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01:30:50,695 --> 01:30:54,615
Speaker 20: just for improved design, improve liverability, just that sense of

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01:30:54,695 --> 01:30:57,455
Speaker 20: space and just creating those communal areas where you're not

1637
01:30:57,655 --> 01:31:00,415
Speaker 20: just constricted to your home and your small garden.

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01:31:00,455 --> 01:31:01,775
Speaker 9: I mean, everyone's got a garden.

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01:31:01,975 --> 01:31:05,375
Speaker 5: Pretty small, yeah, but it's just that those areas.

1640
01:31:04,975 --> 01:31:07,175
Speaker 20: Where people can just sit and meet and the kids

1641
01:31:07,215 --> 01:31:10,695
Speaker 20: can play, and you just start to evolve that sense

1642
01:31:10,735 --> 01:31:14,055
Speaker 20: of community. If you don't have those spaces within a development,

1643
01:31:14,575 --> 01:31:16,175
Speaker 20: it can be more difficult, for sure.

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01:31:16,495 --> 01:31:22,735
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there is, there is, I suppose, because you

1645
01:31:22,935 --> 01:31:26,655
Speaker 5: are in this for the long haul, right, you know,

1646
01:31:27,135 --> 01:31:30,335
Speaker 5: it's it's easy and justified. I think to criticize some

1647
01:31:30,535 --> 01:31:34,055
Speaker 5: developers because they're maximizing, they're just purely looking at return

1648
01:31:34,415 --> 01:31:36,415
Speaker 5: right now. I'm going to build it as quickly as

1649
01:31:36,455 --> 01:31:37,775
Speaker 5: I can. I'm going to knock them up, I'm going

1650
01:31:37,855 --> 01:31:39,935
Speaker 5: to sell them, and I'm out, and I kind of

1651
01:31:40,015 --> 01:31:42,695
Speaker 5: don't care what happens in that space indeed afterwards. But

1652
01:31:42,815 --> 01:31:45,375
Speaker 5: this is obviously your approach.

1653
01:31:45,775 --> 01:31:46,255
Speaker 9: No, it's not.

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01:31:46,375 --> 01:31:48,895
Speaker 20: And look, that's understandable if you're if you're if you're

1655
01:31:48,935 --> 01:31:51,335
Speaker 20: selling straight to market and every developer's got to make

1656
01:31:51,375 --> 01:31:54,935
Speaker 20: their margin, and that's it's completely understandable. But for for us,

1657
01:31:54,975 --> 01:31:56,255
Speaker 20: and I see I think you see it in the

1658
01:31:56,295 --> 01:31:59,495
Speaker 20: build to rent market now as well, where people are

1659
01:31:59,615 --> 01:32:01,935
Speaker 20: willing to hold long term. I mean for us, we're

1660
01:32:02,015 --> 01:32:05,855
Speaker 20: under a twenty five year obligation through government services to

1661
01:32:05,935 --> 01:32:09,975
Speaker 20: hart the houses as affordable housing. So yeah, you've got

1662
01:32:10,015 --> 01:32:13,055
Speaker 20: to look at well the manageability of those homes, the

1663
01:32:13,135 --> 01:32:16,895
Speaker 20: longevity of them, and that because you are managing people

1664
01:32:16,975 --> 01:32:19,935
Speaker 20: in those homes that people feel comfortable and a sense

1665
01:32:19,975 --> 01:32:22,535
Speaker 20: of pride. Yeah, sure they live, and it's not it's

1666
01:32:23,775 --> 01:32:28,255
Speaker 20: people manage themselves neighbor to neighbor. Yeah, but I mean

1667
01:32:28,295 --> 01:32:30,335
Speaker 20: what's happening now with the bill to rent. You're seeing

1668
01:32:30,615 --> 01:32:33,135
Speaker 20: you know, some companies who are doing that, you know,

1669
01:32:33,255 --> 01:32:36,815
Speaker 20: people like Simplicity, people like Ockham who are now getting

1670
01:32:36,815 --> 01:32:40,575
Speaker 20: in a little bit more I believe into you know,

1671
01:32:40,855 --> 01:32:43,975
Speaker 20: and those developments. Yeah, I think most of them are

1672
01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:47,535
Speaker 20: absolutely fantastic and there is there a step above.

1673
01:32:47,655 --> 01:32:50,015
Speaker 5: And again I noticed the other day on LinkedIn that

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01:32:50,095 --> 01:32:52,735
Speaker 5: you've celebrated sixteen years with hebitets. So you've been in

1675
01:32:52,815 --> 01:32:54,855
Speaker 5: the space for a long time. Hebitat's been in New

1676
01:32:54,895 --> 01:32:58,295
Speaker 5: Zealand for what how long? For over thirty years now

1677
01:32:58,415 --> 01:33:01,975
Speaker 5: thirty years. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind of a

1678
01:33:02,055 --> 01:33:03,855
Speaker 5: tangent to what we were talking about, but it is

1679
01:33:04,055 --> 01:33:07,015
Speaker 5: remarkable for us to be talking about to rent. We're

1680
01:33:07,535 --> 01:33:10,455
Speaker 5: arguably five years ago almost no one was talking about

1681
01:33:10,495 --> 01:33:13,335
Speaker 5: it and there was very little of it around. And

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01:33:13,615 --> 01:33:16,335
Speaker 5: I think that's going to be transformational for our housing market.

1683
01:33:16,375 --> 01:33:18,335
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be transformational in terms of

1684
01:33:18,895 --> 01:33:23,815
Speaker 5: long term secure tenure for tenants. I think it's fantastic.

1685
01:33:24,215 --> 01:33:25,095
Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely.

1686
01:33:25,535 --> 01:33:29,375
Speaker 20: And when you have responsible developers landlords who are willing

1687
01:33:29,455 --> 01:33:32,095
Speaker 20: to hold as well, they are going to build really

1688
01:33:32,095 --> 01:33:33,535
Speaker 20: good quality buildings.

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01:33:33,455 --> 01:33:36,495
Speaker 5: Because they're looking after them at ten, fifteen, twenty years time.

1690
01:33:36,615 --> 01:33:38,575
Speaker 9: And maybe even and then and longer.

1691
01:33:38,815 --> 01:33:41,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is a simplicity model, and it

1692
01:33:41,255 --> 01:33:43,895
Speaker 5: definitely feels a big hole in the market.

1693
01:33:43,975 --> 01:33:46,655
Speaker 20: We need more rental properties, We need more pustins across

1694
01:33:46,695 --> 01:33:51,535
Speaker 20: the housing continuum, whether it's public housing, whether it's affordable rental,

1695
01:33:51,575 --> 01:33:55,055
Speaker 20: whether it's market rental, progressive home ownership, market sale.

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01:33:55,615 --> 01:33:56,335
Speaker 9: We do need more.

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01:33:56,375 --> 01:33:58,775
Speaker 20: I mean, I appreciate that someone would say there's a

1698
01:33:58,855 --> 01:34:01,215
Speaker 20: bit of a you know, we don't need more homes

1699
01:34:01,255 --> 01:34:04,455
Speaker 20: because there's lots there but that aren't being sold.

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01:34:04,695 --> 01:34:04,855
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:34:05,055 --> 01:34:05,295
Speaker 5: Sure.

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01:34:05,415 --> 01:34:07,055
Speaker 20: The other side of the cour is, no, we need

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01:34:07,135 --> 01:34:09,295
Speaker 20: to We do need to keep building more because those

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01:34:09,375 --> 01:34:12,135
Speaker 20: houses are still people all find them difficult to afford.

1705
01:34:13,495 --> 01:34:16,695
Speaker 20: So we have We've had a supply issue in this

1706
01:34:16,815 --> 01:34:19,535
Speaker 20: city in Eakland for decades.

1707
01:34:19,255 --> 01:34:21,335
Speaker 5: A long time, and the fact that we've had a

1708
01:34:21,455 --> 01:34:23,815
Speaker 5: slump in the sector, it just means that that's going

1709
01:34:23,895 --> 01:34:27,095
Speaker 5: to be exacerbated. And since we kick off again and

1710
01:34:27,215 --> 01:34:29,375
Speaker 5: since population growth comes up, we're going to have the

1711
01:34:29,415 --> 01:34:32,615
Speaker 5: same challenges. When we were chatting a little while ago,

1712
01:34:32,775 --> 01:34:36,175
Speaker 5: you mentioned progressive home ownership and there was a recent

1713
01:34:36,255 --> 01:34:40,575
Speaker 5: example where there were some properties available that Habitat had built.

1714
01:34:41,855 --> 01:34:46,535
Speaker 5: The demand is enormous, isn't it just unpack how progressive

1715
01:34:46,535 --> 01:34:48,775
Speaker 5: home ownership works within habitat for us.

1716
01:34:48,775 --> 01:34:51,815
Speaker 20: So within habitat, so there's there's a few different schemes

1717
01:34:51,935 --> 01:34:54,815
Speaker 20: that happen across the country. When it shed equity, which

1718
01:34:54,855 --> 01:34:58,815
Speaker 20: actually was also a government product recently as well, that's

1719
01:34:58,855 --> 01:35:02,535
Speaker 20: now stopped where essentially you would without with a small deposit,

1720
01:35:02,655 --> 01:35:05,295
Speaker 20: a family could own seventy five percent or therefore of

1721
01:35:05,375 --> 01:35:08,655
Speaker 20: the home, a government with own twenty five percent or

1722
01:35:08,655 --> 01:35:10,935
Speaker 20: a different community housing provider would, and.

1723
01:35:11,735 --> 01:35:12,375
Speaker 9: Yeah, you would.

1724
01:35:12,575 --> 01:35:15,615
Speaker 20: You would slowly be able to gain pieces of that

1725
01:35:15,735 --> 01:35:19,015
Speaker 20: additional equity until the home was yours over time, and

1726
01:35:19,135 --> 01:35:21,815
Speaker 20: so that that's an affordable way. Particularly addressing the issue

1727
01:35:21,895 --> 01:35:23,775
Speaker 20: of needing a big deposit.

1728
01:35:24,495 --> 01:35:24,975
Speaker 9: In terms of.

1729
01:35:25,015 --> 01:35:29,135
Speaker 20: Habitats program, we have what's called a rent to own.

1730
01:35:30,495 --> 01:35:33,575
Speaker 20: So when the family is selected and they move in,

1731
01:35:34,055 --> 01:35:36,815
Speaker 20: the value of that home at day one, let's say

1732
01:35:36,895 --> 01:35:39,735
Speaker 20: that's six hundred thousand dollars, that's what.

1733
01:35:39,815 --> 01:35:40,655
Speaker 9: They owe habitat.

1734
01:35:41,095 --> 01:35:44,375
Speaker 20: It goes up in at fifty percent of the regular

1735
01:35:44,495 --> 01:35:47,655
Speaker 20: interest rate over time that debt. So again that's affordable.

1736
01:35:47,695 --> 01:35:50,655
Speaker 20: They need no deposit to come in right, and as

1737
01:35:50,695 --> 01:35:52,855
Speaker 20: they pay their rent, if there's any surplus, like a

1738
01:35:52,935 --> 01:35:55,895
Speaker 20: landlord might take, well these days maybe three or four

1739
01:35:55,975 --> 01:36:00,655
Speaker 20: percent if you're lucky, but that gets squirreled away.

1740
01:36:01,335 --> 01:36:03,575
Speaker 9: We don't take that. That gets put aside.

1741
01:36:03,855 --> 01:36:08,095
Speaker 20: They're saving their kiwisaver throughout and at a point in

1742
01:36:08,215 --> 01:36:11,055
Speaker 20: time they will then be able to afford that house

1743
01:36:11,215 --> 01:36:13,895
Speaker 20: because they're still paying down the debt from day one,

1744
01:36:14,575 --> 01:36:17,015
Speaker 20: but also what their habitat is only going up by

1745
01:36:17,095 --> 01:36:17,775
Speaker 20: small increments.

1746
01:36:17,975 --> 01:36:19,295
Speaker 9: It's not a market price.

1747
01:36:19,375 --> 01:36:22,095
Speaker 20: So in ten years that home, let's hope it's probably

1748
01:36:22,175 --> 01:36:28,135
Speaker 20: worth eight to nine hundred thousand for them and their

1749
01:36:28,215 --> 01:36:32,055
Speaker 20: mortgage payments to settle would be less than their rent.

1750
01:36:32,455 --> 01:36:35,095
Speaker 20: So it's just an affordable way of getting your own home.

1751
01:36:35,855 --> 01:36:39,055
Speaker 5: In terms of numbers over the last fifteen twenty years,

1752
01:36:39,135 --> 01:36:41,135
Speaker 5: how many families would have been able to get into

1753
01:36:41,215 --> 01:36:43,655
Speaker 5: houses through a scheme like that with habitat.

1754
01:36:44,335 --> 01:36:47,215
Speaker 20: With habitats, we're looking at around seven hundred and fifty,

1755
01:36:47,295 --> 01:36:49,735
Speaker 20: so not a huge amount to be honest, but not

1756
01:36:50,335 --> 01:36:53,655
Speaker 20: as New Zealand Housing Foundation that they have a similar

1757
01:36:53,775 --> 01:36:56,255
Speaker 20: number to us. And then there's Queenstown Lates community to

1758
01:36:56,335 --> 01:36:58,655
Speaker 20: us who just work in Queenstown. Yes, but there are

1759
01:36:58,775 --> 01:37:01,535
Speaker 20: not many of these organizations that do this, and that's

1760
01:37:01,535 --> 01:37:03,255
Speaker 20: simply because it requires.

1761
01:37:02,895 --> 01:37:03,695
Speaker 9: A lot of subsidy.

1762
01:37:03,895 --> 01:37:05,015
Speaker 5: It's quite hard.

1763
01:37:06,855 --> 01:37:07,095
Speaker 11: To do.

1764
01:37:07,655 --> 01:37:11,975
Speaker 20: And yeah, because as a charity relying on donations and

1765
01:37:12,055 --> 01:37:15,495
Speaker 20: the occasional biit of government money here and there, which

1766
01:37:15,495 --> 01:37:18,615
Speaker 20: it's hard to make affordability stack in home ownership.

1767
01:37:18,775 --> 01:37:22,135
Speaker 9: But we think it's absolutely important.

1768
01:37:22,455 --> 01:37:25,015
Speaker 20: The people that we're housing and other organizations are these

1769
01:37:25,055 --> 01:37:28,175
Speaker 20: are These are families who are working, families who have

1770
01:37:28,335 --> 01:37:32,295
Speaker 20: never probably for generations, ever owned their own heights across

1771
01:37:32,335 --> 01:37:36,455
Speaker 20: the board. And so it's transformational in terms of financial

1772
01:37:36,535 --> 01:37:39,775
Speaker 20: security instead of tenure stability and then being able to

1773
01:37:39,895 --> 01:37:43,255
Speaker 20: leverage over the years, you know, when that home is yours,

1774
01:37:43,335 --> 01:37:46,175
Speaker 20: to help your family into another home, which some of

1775
01:37:46,295 --> 01:37:49,015
Speaker 20: us take for granted. It's hard enough, you know, everyone's

1776
01:37:49,095 --> 01:37:51,415
Speaker 20: a lot of people are still relying on mom and dad.

1777
01:37:51,815 --> 01:37:53,095
Speaker 20: But when you don't have a mum and dad that

1778
01:37:53,175 --> 01:37:54,815
Speaker 20: have an asset, well, good luck.

1779
01:37:54,975 --> 01:37:55,895
Speaker 5: How do you get onto that?

1780
01:37:57,415 --> 01:38:02,455
Speaker 20: So it's a generation generational and yeah, it's really it's

1781
01:38:02,495 --> 01:38:03,175
Speaker 20: really important.

1782
01:38:03,295 --> 01:38:05,975
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, absolutely, we can take short break with

1783
01:38:06,095 --> 01:38:09,375
Speaker 5: me in the studio, Conrad Lapont from Habitat for Humanity.

1784
01:38:09,455 --> 01:38:10,615
Speaker 5: We'll be back after the break.

1785
01:38:13,455 --> 01:38:17,055
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from

1786
01:38:17,135 --> 01:38:20,855
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on News TOMSB.

1787
01:38:20,895 --> 01:38:23,015
Speaker 5: With me in the studio for another five minutes, as

1788
01:38:23,335 --> 01:38:27,655
Speaker 5: Conrad to Pont from Habitat for Humanity. Look for those

1789
01:38:27,695 --> 01:38:30,095
Speaker 5: of us who are interested in, let's say, the social

1790
01:38:30,175 --> 01:38:33,215
Speaker 5: housing space, we've seen what's happened in terms of the

1791
01:38:33,295 --> 01:38:37,615
Speaker 5: breaks basically being put on ko kind of order with

1792
01:38:38,135 --> 01:38:42,495
Speaker 5: the hope maybe that private or charitable groups will pick

1793
01:38:42,575 --> 01:38:45,695
Speaker 5: up the slack. Is their scope for that to happen,

1794
01:38:45,775 --> 01:38:48,215
Speaker 5: And what's it going to take for the groups like

1795
01:38:48,335 --> 01:38:50,695
Speaker 5: Habitat and any number of other housing trusts that are

1796
01:38:50,735 --> 01:38:52,815
Speaker 5: out there to fill the gap?

1797
01:38:54,135 --> 01:38:58,615
Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean currently for organizations like ourselves, who are

1798
01:38:58,695 --> 01:39:02,335
Speaker 20: really a medium sized player in this in this space,

1799
01:39:02,535 --> 01:39:06,375
Speaker 20: there is unfortunately limited scope. The government right selected a

1800
01:39:06,415 --> 01:39:10,255
Speaker 20: few what they term strategic partners, and that's to utilize

1801
01:39:10,335 --> 01:39:14,775
Speaker 20: funding for around fifteen hundred homes in priority areas in

1802
01:39:14,855 --> 01:39:21,215
Speaker 20: the country. And unfortunately these priority areas are very much constrained.

1803
01:39:21,375 --> 01:39:25,655
Speaker 20: It's like Auckland, some of the Bay a plenty, Hamilton, Toronga,

1804
01:39:26,175 --> 01:39:28,175
Speaker 20: so some priority areas and a lot of that also

1805
01:39:28,335 --> 01:39:31,415
Speaker 20: is focused on this government's policy of trying to end

1806
01:39:31,935 --> 01:39:35,495
Speaker 20: people in motel and emergency Yeah, so, which.

1807
01:39:35,455 --> 01:39:39,415
Speaker 9: You know, on the face of it, is something good.

1808
01:39:39,495 --> 01:39:43,655
Speaker 20: I mean, people vulnerable people living in motels. It shouldn't

1809
01:39:43,695 --> 01:39:47,495
Speaker 20: shouldn't happen, So that's that's.

1810
01:39:47,375 --> 01:39:48,455
Speaker 9: The key driver for it.

1811
01:39:48,655 --> 01:39:53,735
Speaker 20: But they've selected a few organizations with large existing portfolios

1812
01:39:54,255 --> 01:40:00,175
Speaker 20: in the space to push that forward beyond there. I mean,

1813
01:40:00,255 --> 01:40:04,575
Speaker 20: certainly for organizations like ourselves, we are we're keeping going.

1814
01:40:04,935 --> 01:40:07,775
Speaker 20: It's up to us to create eight our own surplus

1815
01:40:07,895 --> 01:40:11,215
Speaker 20: to try and do more, and I think other organizations

1816
01:40:11,255 --> 01:40:15,455
Speaker 20: are just looking at this slightly differently. Whereas before, we

1817
01:40:15,695 --> 01:40:18,295
Speaker 20: very much relied on the government to be able to

1818
01:40:18,375 --> 01:40:21,215
Speaker 20: fund in part some of our work. So for example,

1819
01:40:21,415 --> 01:40:26,135
Speaker 20: the war and place development that was enabled by in

1820
01:40:26,255 --> 01:40:28,895
Speaker 20: terms of the cash position that we were required to

1821
01:40:28,935 --> 01:40:31,535
Speaker 20: do the development, we had about seventy percent debt. We

1822
01:40:31,655 --> 01:40:34,735
Speaker 20: have fifteen percent of habitats money. Yeah, fifteen percent money

1823
01:40:34,775 --> 01:40:36,975
Speaker 20: from the government, so we didn't have to find it all,

1824
01:40:37,975 --> 01:40:40,815
Speaker 20: which is wonderful, but we've still got to find that

1825
01:40:40,935 --> 01:40:44,255
Speaker 20: fifteen percent. Now, if we don't have government money, we'll

1826
01:40:44,295 --> 01:40:46,735
Speaker 20: have to find the thirty percent. So what we have

1827
01:40:46,855 --> 01:40:49,095
Speaker 20: to do is work twice as hard and trying to

1828
01:40:49,535 --> 01:40:53,375
Speaker 20: raise those funds, and that in reality won't be able

1829
01:40:53,415 --> 01:40:59,095
Speaker 20: to just come from our second hand stores or donations,

1830
01:40:59,495 --> 01:41:01,775
Speaker 20: quests and things like that, because otherwise we just won't

1831
01:41:01,815 --> 01:41:04,255
Speaker 20: get the scale that we need. You know, we are

1832
01:41:04,335 --> 01:41:07,935
Speaker 20: not content with just doing ten twenty to twenty five

1833
01:41:08,055 --> 01:41:09,215
Speaker 20: houses a year.

1834
01:41:09,415 --> 01:41:10,295
Speaker 5: You want to scale up.

1835
01:41:10,375 --> 01:41:13,535
Speaker 20: We really want to scale up, so we as an

1836
01:41:13,615 --> 01:41:15,215
Speaker 20: organization are going to have to enter.

1837
01:41:15,655 --> 01:41:18,015
Speaker 9: We think the housing market. That's what we know to do.

1838
01:41:18,135 --> 01:41:21,935
Speaker 20: We know how to build, develop houses, find land, and

1839
01:41:22,175 --> 01:41:24,255
Speaker 20: so I can see in the future that we might

1840
01:41:24,335 --> 01:41:27,375
Speaker 20: be building houses for market, and the money that we

1841
01:41:27,495 --> 01:41:30,895
Speaker 20: make from those houses we will then put into another

1842
01:41:30,975 --> 01:41:36,175
Speaker 20: development and enable that affordability. And then when the government

1843
01:41:36,255 --> 01:41:41,455
Speaker 20: comes with finance and funding, then that's just that's gravy

1844
01:41:41,495 --> 01:41:42,655
Speaker 20: on the top of it, and then we can do

1845
01:41:42,775 --> 01:41:44,215
Speaker 20: double what we did before.

1846
01:41:44,735 --> 01:41:46,375
Speaker 9: And I think, but I think that's.

1847
01:41:46,255 --> 01:41:49,695
Speaker 20: Important to take that attitude as well, because we talk

1848
01:41:49,735 --> 01:41:52,135
Speaker 20: about a hand up, not a handout.

1849
01:41:52,215 --> 01:41:55,175
Speaker 9: I just want to habit. It's mantras well. I think

1850
01:41:55,255 --> 01:41:56,855
Speaker 9: for too long, in a way, our.

1851
01:41:56,815 --> 01:41:59,695
Speaker 20: Hands have been out too much to the government for this,

1852
01:41:59,815 --> 01:42:03,735
Speaker 20: and our reliance on them has been And while they're

1853
01:42:03,775 --> 01:42:06,655
Speaker 20: really important, they need to help drive this, to help

1854
01:42:06,775 --> 01:42:09,895
Speaker 20: drive the organizations that are ready, that have the capacity,

1855
01:42:09,935 --> 01:42:11,455
Speaker 20: and they have the skills and have.

1856
01:42:11,535 --> 01:42:14,815
Speaker 9: Been let's face it here for many many years decades.

1857
01:42:15,775 --> 01:42:18,815
Speaker 20: Who know what we're doing in the space, and we're

1858
01:42:18,815 --> 01:42:25,015
Speaker 20: building good quality housing and managing those appropriately. So I

1859
01:42:25,055 --> 01:42:26,775
Speaker 20: think that's what we're just going to have to do

1860
01:42:27,175 --> 01:42:30,695
Speaker 20: and we're starting to do it now. Some might see

1861
01:42:30,735 --> 01:42:33,535
Speaker 20: that it's controversial. We are a charity, it's still a

1862
01:42:33,695 --> 01:42:38,455
Speaker 20: charitable purpose. But if not, what else do we do? Yeah,

1863
01:42:38,975 --> 01:42:41,655
Speaker 20: we have people that rely on us to do it.

1864
01:42:42,775 --> 01:42:45,535
Speaker 20: Public housing that I think there'll always be money switching

1865
01:42:45,575 --> 01:42:50,335
Speaker 20: about for that different at different levels under different governments.

1866
01:42:51,575 --> 01:42:54,615
Speaker 20: But for progressive home ownership, this is something that has

1867
01:42:54,735 --> 01:42:59,935
Speaker 20: been very sporadically funded over the years and we need

1868
01:43:00,015 --> 01:43:00,695
Speaker 20: to find more concers.

1869
01:43:00,735 --> 01:43:02,455
Speaker 5: And I think too for people that are interested in

1870
01:43:03,175 --> 01:43:07,295
Speaker 5: social housing and supported housing. Let's say, you know, I

1871
01:43:07,335 --> 01:43:09,975
Speaker 5: don't think it's untrue to say that that charities like

1872
01:43:10,055 --> 01:43:11,895
Speaker 5: yourself and I know others who are in the space

1873
01:43:12,295 --> 01:43:15,015
Speaker 5: are much more nimble and much more able to manage

1874
01:43:15,175 --> 01:43:17,575
Speaker 5: the people that are there as well. Frankly do a

1875
01:43:17,615 --> 01:43:18,255
Speaker 5: bit of job of it.

1876
01:43:18,415 --> 01:43:22,775
Speaker 20: So yeah, yeah, it's we think so. I mean, look,

1877
01:43:22,775 --> 01:43:27,495
Speaker 20: it's very difficult for Kying order to manage. They have

1878
01:43:27,575 --> 01:43:30,455
Speaker 20: a different way of how they bring people pretty people on.

1879
01:43:30,615 --> 01:43:32,175
Speaker 20: They have to choose people from the top of the

1880
01:43:32,415 --> 01:43:36,215
Speaker 20: public housing register, which means what you'd be considered those

1881
01:43:36,255 --> 01:43:38,575
Speaker 20: most in need or those who have been waiting longer

1882
01:43:38,615 --> 01:43:42,255
Speaker 20: the longest. Yeah, habitat we're able to select from the

1883
01:43:42,575 --> 01:43:45,575
Speaker 20: register into our programs, and it does give us a

1884
01:43:45,655 --> 01:43:48,175
Speaker 20: degree of flexibility in terms of.

1885
01:43:48,295 --> 01:43:50,335
Speaker 9: How we build the neighborhood.

1886
01:43:50,775 --> 01:43:51,415
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure.

1887
01:43:53,015 --> 01:43:56,655
Speaker 20: And I mean in terms of laws, there's I know,

1888
01:43:56,735 --> 01:43:59,935
Speaker 20: there's been a lot of controversy that surrounded the government's

1889
01:44:00,615 --> 01:44:04,935
Speaker 20: new notication about how no blame you know, exiting for

1890
01:44:05,015 --> 01:44:08,735
Speaker 20: tenants for tenants, and that does put people who have

1891
01:44:09,055 --> 01:44:14,495
Speaker 20: poor landlords under an awful lot of potential strain for sure, yep.

1892
01:44:14,935 --> 01:44:18,735
Speaker 20: Certainly for us though, if there is if there's one

1893
01:44:18,815 --> 01:44:21,215
Speaker 20: person within a neighborhood of twenty three homes and we've

1894
01:44:21,215 --> 01:44:23,375
Speaker 20: had to do it at Warren Place, yep, who is

1895
01:44:23,455 --> 01:44:26,935
Speaker 20: causing problems for not just the twenty two other families

1896
01:44:26,975 --> 01:44:27,415
Speaker 20: that live.

1897
01:44:27,335 --> 01:44:28,255
Speaker 5: There, but the community.

1898
01:44:28,295 --> 01:44:33,615
Speaker 20: But the community to be able to react it is

1899
01:44:33,815 --> 01:44:36,055
Speaker 20: really helpful for everybody.

1900
01:44:35,655 --> 01:44:38,135
Speaker 5: Else since acting in the best interests of everyone.

1901
01:44:38,415 --> 01:44:41,495
Speaker 20: Absolutely, housing is not just a right, it's a responsibility.

1902
01:44:42,215 --> 01:44:46,935
Speaker 20: And so that's that's our starting point.

1903
01:44:47,815 --> 01:44:51,615
Speaker 5: Litter leave it here, Peate. Listening to your interview with Conrad,

1904
01:44:51,695 --> 01:44:53,895
Speaker 5: this's come through on the text. What a fabulous concept

1905
01:44:54,055 --> 01:44:56,815
Speaker 5: and it's so easy to donate online. I just have

1906
01:44:57,135 --> 01:45:00,175
Speaker 5: that's from Lorraine. Oh that's very much. I don't expect that.

1907
01:45:00,535 --> 01:45:03,215
Speaker 5: That's a really good way to rep up the interview. Hey,

1908
01:45:03,255 --> 01:45:05,135
Speaker 5: good luck with the opening, so coom you today?

1909
01:45:05,215 --> 01:45:06,215
Speaker 9: What time you today?

1910
01:45:06,615 --> 01:45:07,815
Speaker 5: Brand resource store.

1911
01:45:07,895 --> 01:45:10,815
Speaker 20: All pre tickets are sold world You've given away the tickets.

1912
01:45:11,375 --> 01:45:13,975
Speaker 20: So many people coming to a New New Ork brilliant

1913
01:45:15,375 --> 01:45:18,295
Speaker 20: that we just had to limit the numbers of people

1914
01:45:18,375 --> 01:45:19,335
Speaker 20: coming in on day.

1915
01:45:19,415 --> 01:45:20,135
Speaker 9: On day one.

1916
01:45:20,335 --> 01:45:23,735
Speaker 20: But honestly, that is the easiest way to help our organization. Yes,

1917
01:45:23,855 --> 01:45:26,695
Speaker 20: to donate your pre loved goods, all your time. Yes,

1918
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Speaker 20: and for every charity right, just say, every charity is

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Speaker 20: struggling with being able to find volunteers, to retain volunteers

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Speaker 9: Our charitable work without a doubt.

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Speaker 20: So if anybody's thinking about wanting to do something, if.

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Speaker 5: You've got some time, pliantastic Conrad always a pleasure catching up.

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