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Speaker 1: So do the rules around getting your driver's license. The

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Speaker 1: full licensed test has gone. Of course under twenty fives

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Speaker 1: will have to be on a learners for a year.

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Speaker 1: There's a bit around the iesight tests as well. Chris

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Speaker 1: Bishop has Transport Minister and is with us very good morning.

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Speaker 1: Any hard data between how you learn to drive and

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Speaker 1: the rules around it an actual road safety I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, yes, there's quite a lot of research. I mean, firstly,

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Speaker 2: we know that younger drivers are more dangerous on the roads.

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Speaker 2: We know that an experienced driver is more dangerous on

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Speaker 2: the road. Add alcohol and drugs, so that that's a

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Speaker 2: really toxic mix. So we've gone for a zero alcohol

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Speaker 2: rule for anyone on their learners and restricted we made

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Speaker 2: sure that people under twenty five spend longer on their

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Speaker 2: learners as a default. They can lower that down by

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Speaker 2: doing doing an approved driving training course, which again we

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Speaker 2: know the evidence shows makes a difference, and it's all

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Speaker 2: about road experience. So that's why we've gone for a

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Speaker 2: longer period of time at the front end in terms

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Speaker 2: of spending time on your learners. But then at the

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Speaker 2: other end, we don't think it makes a lot of

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Speaker 2: sense to make people go and do a second practical

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Speaker 2: test after they've been driving for a long period of

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Speaker 2: time on they're restricted and they've got use to the

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Speaker 2: road code and they've got that practical experience. We just

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Speaker 2: didn't think it made sense to have people get spent

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Speaker 2: second test. Most countries don't do that. So most countries

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Speaker 2: just make people do a learner theory test like we do.

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Speaker 2: Then they make you do a restricted to a practical test.

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Speaker 2: Australia is called it the pe plates. We call it

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Speaker 2: restricted and then you go on to your full license.

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Speaker 2: That's what most countries do. So we're bringing ourselves in

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Speaker 2: line with that.

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Speaker 1: That defenseive driving thing or logging practice ours. How's the

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Speaker 1: logging practice? Hours going to work? Mum took me down

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Speaker 1: to the car park, I mean, what's that about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Director of Land Transport will set the

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Speaker 2: rules around that. Again, lots of countries have this where

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Speaker 2: you've got to set set number of hours you've got

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Speaker 2: a log and there's some apps you can use to

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Speaker 2: do that. And it may be that parents have to

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Speaker 2: sign a or others have to sign a statutory decoration.

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Speaker 2: So there will be rules around that. The Director of

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Speaker 2: land transport be setting those not me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the learners under twenty five versus over twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Why is age such a critical thing? Because I mean,

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Speaker 1: a good driver is not necessarily age related or a

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Speaker 2: No, that's true. You know, they are always extremes at

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Speaker 2: either end. But we've gone for you know, we've tried

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Speaker 2: to calibrate the rules to the risk, and the data

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Speaker 2: shows that sixteen to twenty four's have double the death

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Speaker 2: rate on the roads than people over the age of

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Speaker 2: twenty four. Now, clearly they're an excellent eighteen year old

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Speaker 2: drivers in the same way that there are clearly, you know,

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Speaker 2: really incompetent fifty year old drivers out there, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure people are listening, will have examples of that every

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Speaker 2: day as they drive around the traps. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, you've got to do things on averages to

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Speaker 2: some extent, and I think most people would say, you know,

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Speaker 2: younger drivers on average tend to be you know, they're

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Speaker 1: What hasn't been addressed here And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you ever can, and I'm almost certainly convinced you never

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Speaker 1: will any government. Is that this idea that you go

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Speaker 1: get your license and you never tested again. And that's

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Speaker 1: where the problem, the real problem is because bad habits

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well right around, no one's ever done it. I mean, well,

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Speaker 2: you've got to think through the practical complications of that, right,

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Speaker 2: both in terms of efficiency and time taking people out

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen the recent research around that, but I

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Speaker 2: suspect it shows that the benefits of doing that would

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Speaker 1: So hey, quick controversial question just to wa and I'm

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Speaker 1: reading in the Herald this morning. There is a claim

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Speaker 1: this morning that Jackson Street Patoni is cooler than Cuba Street.

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Speaker 1: You would know this thing more than I would. Is

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Speaker 1: that true? Do you reckon on.

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Speaker 2: Jackson Street PERTONI is what Cuba Street in Wellington was

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago. It's the greatest city, the greatest street

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Speaker 2: in Lower Heart's fantastic place to live just off it.

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Speaker 1: So but bother all right, nice to see your Minister

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