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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather duper Cy Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be afternoon, Welcome to the show. So Adrian or

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Speaker 2: packed a tanti because the government wouldn't give the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank more money. We're going to speak to former staff

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Speaker 2: and Michael Rodell after five more bad stats unfortunately for

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Speaker 2: ordering a tamitiki. Will have a chat to the Independent

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Speaker 2: Children's Monitor and a luxury realistic agent reckon, there is

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Speaker 2: heaps of money waiting to come into the country if

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Speaker 2: we just lift that ban on foreign buyers.

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Speaker 3: Ever, duper Cy Ellen, I'll tell.

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Speaker 2: You who's in the country right now. It's a chap

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Speaker 2: called Sir Nick Gibb. Now he's here touring schools with

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Speaker 2: was credited with turning around educational achievement amongst kids in

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Speaker 2: the UK. Sir Nick was in the David Cameron Tory

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Speaker 2: education system was a little bit like ours is right now,

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Speaker 2: the stats had fallen. The kids were falling behind on

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Speaker 2: back to that phonics learning the basics explicitly, the learning

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Speaker 2: we know what works. Why did we stop doing it?

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Speaker 2: Why did we try other stuff? It was clearly never

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Speaker 2: And here's hoping that she is as successful as he.

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Speaker 3: Was, Heather Doula.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we're going to have a chat

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number. Now it's

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Speaker 2: Zealand to quit the Paris Climate Accord. Bryce Mackenzie's Groundswell's

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Speaker 2: are you very well? Thank you mate? Why should we quit.

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Speaker 4: It simply because it's costing the country a lot of

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Speaker 2: Bryce McKenzie. But we cannot be amongst the first to

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where it is going, that that

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Speaker 2: So what makes you think Argentina will be amongst the first.

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Speaker 4: Well, they've already made a few sounds that that's the

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Speaker 2: Okay, So then here's my here's the next thing. If

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Speaker 4: Ooh gee, I guess farmers will do that to some

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people around, Yes, brilliant. And I

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Speaker 2: Good stuff all okay, Darcy water Grave Sports Store, Coastal

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Speaker 3: Moving the big stories of the day forward.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupery Drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 2: It's poohing, not pooping. Well, I've got a three year old,

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Speaker 2: talking about it. Full twenty five now finally, finally, finally

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Speaker 2: found out why Adrian packed the tanti that he did.

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Speaker 2: The matter was distressing for mister Orr. So it appears

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Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

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Speaker 3: That'd be brother.

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Speaker 12: You don't have to follow.

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Speaker 3: O god other.

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Speaker 2: Whether it was complete arrogance from Adrian or as well

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about National and Act and New Zealand first,

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: A curfew has been declared in downtown La. It'll be

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Speaker 2: The mayor, Karen Bass says she's had to do this

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Speaker 9: Yes, last night there were twenty three businesses that were looted.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli government will decide next week how to respond

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Speaker 2: to sanctions on two government ministers that have been issued

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Speaker 2: The Israeli Foreign Minister says the sanctions are completely unjustified.

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Speaker 3: It is outrageous.

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Speaker 8: Of elected representatives and members of the government are subjected

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Speaker 2: And finally, do you remember that asteroid. The asteroid is

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Hey Dan, Hey, Heather.

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Speaker 2: So they've got this curfew in LA. What exactly has

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean it's just these these immigration protests that

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Speaker 14: California maybe first, but it clearly will not end here.

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Speaker 14: Other states are next. Democracy is next. Democracy is under

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Speaker 13: So here's the thing. He's walking this fine line. Can

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Speaker 13: Does he lead or does he look like he's kind

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Speaker 2: How problematic is it for him to have lost that

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think it's a little bit. I think

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Speaker 2: Now, when you have the likes of the mayor coming

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Speaker 3: I think we look a little bit of both.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, you've already got the governor's press

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Speaker 13: you're two of the most powerful men here in the

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Speaker 13: United States. Governor Newsom is, you know, in charge of

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Speaker 13: the I think the fourth largest economy in the world

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Speaker 13: right now, and this is what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it feels to me like There's a

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Speaker 2: lot at stake here for Newsom, isn't it Because if

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Speaker 2: he doesn't get if these riots aren't under control and

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Speaker 2: these protests control, it makes him look weak, doesn't it.

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Speaker 13: It does, It does. And I think that's what that

446
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Speaker 13: Trump who was speaking earlier today at the East Coast

447
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Speaker 13: about the Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday, that's what

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Speaker 13: he was kind of bringing up about how weak Newsome

449
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Speaker 13: is and how you know he's not going to let anything.

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Speaker 13: He being Trump is going to you know, clamp down

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Speaker 13: on this and make sure it doesn't get out of control.

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Speaker 13: Because this has this has happened, he said, a number

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Speaker 13: of times in our in our state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, now tell me about twenty three and

455
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Speaker 2: me is going to court over the sale of this

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Speaker 2: genetic information. Is it going to be able to do it?

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Speaker 13: I think so. I mean, I think they've got a

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Speaker 13: good point. I mean, I know a lot of people

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Speaker 13: who are into this stuff. I actually have one of

460
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Speaker 13: those ancestry kids downstairs from their competitor that you know,

461
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Speaker 13: you just kind of spit in, you send it in

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Speaker 13: the mail and you hope you're related to somebody famous

463
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Speaker 13: in three weeks. But what they're saying is that these samples,

464
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Speaker 13: these DNA samples and the traits and the medical records

465
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Speaker 13: are just too sensitive to be sold. And every person

466
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Speaker 13: that has signed up for this needs to give their

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Speaker 13: written express So that's why we've seen a number of

468
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Speaker 13: suits brought up since the company file for bankruptcy. And

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Speaker 13: you know this, this is a company that was doing

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Speaker 13: health research and drug development. I mean, they had a

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Speaker 13: lot going on, but they just couldn't find a profitable

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Speaker 13: business model, which is why they laid off staff and

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Speaker 13: then they filed for bankruptcy. But you've got all this

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Speaker 13: gold that's out there, all this personal information that can

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Speaker 13: be sold and might still be sold.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to do this but thing? Are you

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Speaker 2: going to send it to ancestry?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I've been with I asked for that for I

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Speaker 13: don't know if it's for my birthday, for Christmas. I

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Speaker 13: just haven't gotten around to it. But I'm really curious

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Speaker 13: because we had one of our kids that did it too,

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Speaker 13: and it's kind of fascinating just to see all the

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Speaker 13: what comes up from your pather.

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Speaker 2: Do you don't care about them having access and potentially

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Speaker 2: on selling your DNA, which is like arguably the most

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Speaker 2: private thing. You're most unique for.

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Speaker 13: Them, Heather, we've known each other long enough, do you

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Speaker 13: think do you think anybody really wants what I have

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Speaker 13: to offer in my DNA? They can have it if

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Speaker 13: they're that best friend, go go to it.

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Speaker 2: I say, hey, what happened to chet gpt today?

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Speaker 13: Kind of went down a big outage And this is

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Speaker 13: a popular AI chat bot. And the reason why, well,

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Speaker 13: why are we talking about this when there's so much

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Speaker 13: going on in the world. It's because we've got students

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Speaker 13: at university across the country right now that are doing finals. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: my teams included right now, and they rely on this

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Speaker 13: kind of stuff too. And I don't think my daughter

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Speaker 13: as much as my son, but when something like this happens,

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Speaker 13: you hear about it because it's become part of their

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Speaker 13: daily use. And even teachers and professors will tell their

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Speaker 13: students go on it, use it, which seems a little

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Speaker 13: kind of detrimental I think sometimes to the whole learning process.

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Speaker 13: But that could just, you know, be because of our

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Speaker 13: generational gaps I guess between me.

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Speaker 11: And maybe the teams.

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't ignore it, like you can't ignore

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Speaker 2: a calculator. You know, it's just part of the world now, Dan,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Damage Is and US correspondent.

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Speaker 2: I saw chat GPT was down. I thought, how am

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Speaker 2: I going to because you know, I'm obsessed with it now.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, how am I going to

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Speaker 2: find out about Greta? It was working, thank god, and

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Speaker 2: so I asked Chat GPT are there any recorded flights

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Speaker 2: that Greta Tunberg has taken? And it searched the entire internet.

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Speaker 2: I put on the highest mode because did you know

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Speaker 2: that you can change that as well, so you can

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Speaker 2: do the like just a you know, just a quick search,

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Speaker 2: it's really quick, or you can do the one where

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Speaker 2: it really deep dives into the internet and it takes

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Speaker 2: a long time. Took forty seven seconds to come back

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Speaker 2: to me and say there's only one recorded flight that

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Speaker 2: Greta has ever taken in her life and it's the

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Speaker 2: one from Gaza. Today. I thought, well, thank god, Chat

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Speaker 2: GPT is up to be able to tell me that

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Speaker 2: needed to know it. So Adrian all what is interesting

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Speaker 2: about the OIA documents is that Adrian or when he

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Speaker 2: quit on the Wednesday, sent a little sent a little

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Speaker 2: note out to all of this looks like it's the

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Speaker 2: bored people. Oh here we are the RB and Z board,

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Speaker 2: Naomi Mitchell and Christian Hawksby and said a quick note

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Speaker 2: to thank you all for your expedient work today. You know,

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Speaker 2: in processing the fact that he'd resigned, he said, I

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Speaker 2: will proudly open the conference tomorrow morning, noting I am

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Speaker 2: there to discuss today's news, which I think is a chip,

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Speaker 2: a little threat. Don't you think He was like, Yay,

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Speaker 2: I'll be there with whoever's the ben BERNANKI who's going

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Speaker 2: to be there? Anyway? It was going to be that

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Speaker 2: big international conference. He was like, I'm going to be there.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about my resignation. And guess what.

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Speaker 2: He didn't turn up and he didn't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm guessing that's because they put the kibosh on

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Speaker 2: it themselves. Don't you think quarter to.

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Speaker 1: Two politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us A Thomas.

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Why did the Reserve Bank keep this a secret?

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is the real question.

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Speaker 15: So we've been waiting for months now for these documents

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Speaker 15: on the Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Law's resignation to be released.

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Speaker 15: He resigned on the fifth of March usually when these

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Speaker 15: things are supposed to be released in twenty working days.

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Speaker 15: So do the met on that they were released today

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Speaker 15: and they have confirmed what we suspected at the time.

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Speaker 15: In fact, we put it on the front page of

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Speaker 15: the Herald at the time, which is there. He quit

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Speaker 15: over the funding agreement, which is the deal that the

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Speaker 15: bank does with the Finance Minister to determine their budget

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Speaker 15: for the next five years. So no one knows, and

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Speaker 15: even Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister, is pretty unimpressed with

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Speaker 15: the time it's taken the bank to release.

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Speaker 2: But even she herself has been asked by by myself

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Speaker 2: on the show numerous times why it was that he quit,

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Speaker 2: and she would not say.

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Speaker 13: What.

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Speaker 2: Why did everybody keep it a secret till today? It's

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Speaker 2: it's not even that, it's not even that.

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Speaker 15: Explosive, honestly, that this is. We don't know, we haven't

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Speaker 15: done it's a recess weeks. We haven't been able to

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Speaker 15: ask anyone about it. And and and when the politicians

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Speaker 15: pop their heads up, when when Parliament comes back to

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Speaker 15: sit again, and then that will be the first question

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Speaker 15: we asked them, and obviously on your show too. It's

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Speaker 15: it's it is such a The strange thing to me

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Speaker 15: is that the truth of the matter, which is that

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Speaker 15: this was the dispute over the funding agreement, is actually

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Speaker 15: quite you know, none, it's benign.

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Speaker 2: It's it's totally benign.

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Speaker 6: It's almost boring. It's it's it's predictable.

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Speaker 15: It was known at the time, was suspected at the time,

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Speaker 15: so no one can really explain why the bank has

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Speaker 15: been so secretive about this.

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Speaker 6: It's strange.

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Speaker 15: If I to speculated myself, I think that the bank,

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Speaker 15: the Reserve Bank, does have a bit of a culture

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Speaker 15: of you know, it's less transparence, so we say, than

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Speaker 15: other other agencies in the government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think the Reserve Bank has got

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Speaker 2: so deep into keeping secrets that it doesn't even know

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Speaker 2: what a worthwhile secret is anymore. It's just kind of

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Speaker 2: got a default secrecy, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: But does it look to you Thomas like what happened

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Speaker 2: is he packed the tanty. He was undermined by Neil

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Speaker 2: Quigley who said, yeah, actually, don't worry, We'll take a

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Speaker 2: funding cut that set him off. That happened over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: He then said, right, if I can't get my money,

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Speaker 2: I'm quitting. Didn't turn up to work on Monday, and

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Speaker 2: everybody went, oh, geez, maybe he hasn't. So they convened

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Speaker 2: a meeting at the Reserve Bank. What happens if he

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Speaker 2: does actually resign? Nicola Willis got ready and then he

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Speaker 2: quit on Wednesday. Finally, is that what it looks like happened?

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Speaker 15: That's yeah, I mean, that's that's roughly the chain of events.

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Speaker 15: But I mean, even then there was this Even then,

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Speaker 15: it doesn't seem to be a recognition of the gravity

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Speaker 15: of what was going on and just how this would

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Speaker 15: play out. But the day that Adrian or actually the

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Speaker 15: resignation was announced and basically you know that the train

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Speaker 15: of events became irreversible. He was still thinking that he

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Speaker 15: had appeared the next day at that that Central Banking

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Speaker 15: conference in Wellington, but actually explained to everyone what went Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 2: You think that was a chirpy little threat?

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Speaker 15: Though, well, that's yeah, that's that is certainly one way

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Speaker 15: to read it. That is that is certainly one way

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Speaker 15: to read it. Well, that was that was an internal

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Speaker 15: an internal message though, but perhaps yeah, perhaps it wasn't

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Speaker 15: interpreted as the.

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Speaker 2: Board he had a falling out with it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's how I like to deliver my threats, don't you

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Speaker 2: chap in my voice?

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Speaker 15: Well, the other interesting thing as well is that the

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Speaker 15: board she and Neil quickly spoke to Interest the Interest

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Speaker 15: website today and at the time he said in the

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Speaker 15: talking points revealed today was that the you know, the

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Speaker 15: the decision to resign was a personal one of the governor,

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Speaker 15: and obviously every decision to resign it's usually partly personal.

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Speaker 15: But he was asked by Interest, you know these documents

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Speaker 15: in nature that actually wasn't a personal reason for for

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Speaker 15: the resignation. It was a professional reason. That was it

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Speaker 15: was a matter of principle that he refused to take

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Speaker 15: this funding cut, and and and.

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Speaker 6: Neil quickly didn't really he did. He didn't win.

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Speaker 15: Speaking the Interest square the circle, he was not able

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Speaker 15: to to describe how that personal decision, that personal remark

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Speaker 15: that he made a few months ago, squared with the

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Speaker 15: truth of the matter, which is that this clearly was

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Speaker 15: a professional resignation.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this brings us to something else, because clearly,

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Speaker 2: what's happened is the Reserve Bank has just been caught fibbing,

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Speaker 2: haven't they? Like they have been playing with semantics to

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Speaker 2: the point that actually they it crossed into a lie arguably.

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Speaker 2: So now the problem is they just look like a

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Speaker 2: bunch of fibbers, don't they. And this brings us to

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Speaker 2: what's going on with a lot of pr at the moment.

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Speaker 2: You have media people just outright telling fibbs.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I mean that would you can only

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Speaker 15: really speak to what they can only speak to to

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Speaker 15: what they have known and what they have said, and

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Speaker 15: if there is any difference between the truth of the

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Speaker 15: matter that they know to be the truth and what

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Speaker 15: they have said, certainly, certainly what was said in March

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Speaker 15: seems quite different to what these documents reveal.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Thank you very much, Thomas Thomas Coglan,

656
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Speaker 2: the Herald's political editor. So what Thomas was talking about

657
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Speaker 2: is Interest dot Co, Doon and Ze got Neil quickly

658
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Speaker 2: on the right because he had previously said Adrian or

659
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Speaker 2: had resigned due to a personal decision that was not

660
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Speaker 2: motivated by any policy disagreements. So they got him on

661
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Speaker 2: the phone. Interest of Codin said and they said them, Hey,

662
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Speaker 2: why did you say that when it was obviously actually

663
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Speaker 2: a policy disagreement. It was it was the funding disagreement,

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Speaker 2: and he said he stood by he stood by what

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Speaker 2: he had said, and he said the things that I

666
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Speaker 2: said at the time were true. It was a personal

667
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Speaker 2: decision for him to resign, which is just a lot

668
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Speaker 2: of crap, isn't it. I mean, every person resigns for

669
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Speaker 2: a personal reason. It's their personal decision in the end,

670
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Speaker 2: isn't it. But that's not what people take from the

671
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Speaker 2: phrase personal decision. I'm not interested, said Neil in having

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Speaker 2: you question me like you're a lawyer. Seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Back to our power group, Micrown, as the Meridian chief executive, Optimally,

675
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Speaker 16: where do we need to be? And as I sit

676
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Speaker 16: here talking to you, how far short are we?

677
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Speaker 17: We're actually good shape this winter. I don't think people

678
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Speaker 17: need to worry about having enough power. There's a lot

679
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Speaker 17: of work that's gone on since last August where we

680
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Speaker 17: ran into a few challenges. I think the adjustments that

681
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Speaker 17: we've made as we approach this winter have made a difference.

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Speaker 16: More generally, though, bigger picture, where are we and how

683
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Speaker 16: far short of optimal are we? So we never have

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Speaker 16: to have these conversations ever Again.

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Speaker 3: Long term, we're in good shape.

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Speaker 17: We're deep into investing so that we can overcome challenge

687
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Speaker 17: that lost gas represents.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: the Defender opt Newstalk.

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Speaker 2: ZB four away from five Heather. From my experience with

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Speaker 2: employment law, it is possible that an NDA was enforced

692
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Speaker 2: for all parties. This is readrian or for a prescribed

693
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Speaker 2: period of time, or would be litigious so dough risks

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Speaker 2: could be taken clear. I appreciate that. Look, we have

695
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Speaker 2: got an annual report. It's the first annual report from

696
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Speaker 2: the Independent Children's Monitor and it has a look at

697
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Speaker 2: how auto atomitiq is doing and all that stuff. Unfortunately,

698
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Speaker 2: it's not going so well Maori people in the auto

699
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Speaker 2: Antomitiki malory young people. Obviously, the kids in the auto

700
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Speaker 2: on atomidiqi system are half as likely to get qualification

701
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Speaker 2: as kids outside of it, and five times more likely

702
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Speaker 2: than any mental health and addiction services, which probably is

703
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Speaker 2: not much of a shock to people because I think

704
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Speaker 2: we all understand that once you're in ot your life chart.

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Speaker 2: You know, your options start closing down, don't they. But

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to the Children's Monitor, independent Children's

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Speaker 2: Monitor about it very shortly. Also on that twenty three

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Speaker 2: and me thing. This is what I think. This is fascinating,

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Speaker 2: don't you? The sale of your private data? This is

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Speaker 2: the most I guess you could You could probably say

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Speaker 2: the most valuable asset that this particular company holds is

712
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Speaker 2: all the little bits of spit and stuff that people

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Speaker 2: have put in it, independent your own data. That's the

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Speaker 2: thing they're gonna sell. We're gonna have a chat to

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Speaker 2: a privacy lawyer about it shortly, just to find out

716
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Speaker 2: whether this is actually going to be able to go ahead,

717
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Speaker 2: because the argument is basically they shouldn't be able to

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Speaker 2: sell it because you might have spatten that little thing

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Speaker 2: and sent it to them, But maybe you've got kids

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Speaker 2: or gonna have kids, and it's their DNA's in there

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Speaker 2: now too and by association with you, and should they

722
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Speaker 2: have their DNA exposed like this? Anyway, we'll find out

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Speaker 2: all the details shortly. Newstalks at be.

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Speaker 3: Digging through the spin fence to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring It's Heather d for thel Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 16: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. So we've finally being told the real reason why

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Speaker 2: Adrian will quit his Reserve Bank governor job, and it's

730
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Speaker 2: surprisingly benign. He quit because the Finance Minister wouldn't give

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank as much money as he wanted. Now,

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Speaker 2: Michael Riddell is a former Reserve Bank economist. He's been

733
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Speaker 2: working his way through the document dump from the bank

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Speaker 2: today him Michael.

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Speaker 3: Hello, okay it Hardley seeps.

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Speaker 2: It seems something worth keeping a secret for what three months?

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Speaker 2: Does it?

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Speaker 5: No, it's just extraordinary. I mean, you know, maybe they

739
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Speaker 5: couldn't tell us the full story on the day, but

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Speaker 5: the new Reserve Bank funding agreement was published on sixteenth

741
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Speaker 5: of April. There's absolutely no excuse for lack of clarity

742
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Speaker 5: at that point. I mean, who knows quite why. I

743
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Speaker 5: probably trying to protect Adrian because I mean, while you

744
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Speaker 5: make the point that the issues about the budget, I

745
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Speaker 5: think it's also about Adrian's personality. You know, every government

746
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Speaker 5: department chief executive in Wellington's had to cope with budget

747
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Speaker 5: cuts in the last eighteen months. A lot of them

748
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Speaker 5: probably thought they should grow their own agencies. But they

749
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Speaker 5: acted like adults. They got on, they didn't toss their

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Speaker 5: toys walk out without notice. You know, Adrian's behaved more

751
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Speaker 5: like a moody teenager over inevitable for scool restraint.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it was kind of sparked by

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Speaker 2: the fact that Neil quickly appears to have undermined him.

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Speaker 5: No, I very reached out there. I mean, Neil has

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Speaker 5: spent all the time he's been shared basically providing cover

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Speaker 5: for the governor. I mean, I think where you'd rephrase

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Speaker 5: that is that the board seems to have eventually faced

758
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Speaker 5: reality in a way that the governor wouldn't. So, you know,

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Speaker 5: the board signed on to this massive bid for a

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Speaker 5: billion dollars last sort of July or August, sends up

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Speaker 5: to the minister, and eventually it became lear that the

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Speaker 5: Minister and Treasury unsurprisingly not going to agree with that.

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Speaker 5: You know, any sensible person on that board would have gone,

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Speaker 5: you know, well, ultimately ministers make these decisions, not us.

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Speaker 5: We have to bow to reality. A saying chief Executive

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Speaker 5: would also have reached much the same view that if said, look,

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Speaker 5: I don't like it, but in the end, she's the

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Speaker 5: minister of Finances her call.

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Speaker 8: Do you think he fight the fight that.

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Speaker 5: The governor couldn't win and shouldn't have got this this

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Speaker 5: emotionally involved in it. There were disgraced described in the

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Speaker 5: statement as the governor became distressed. Well, you know, it's

773
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Speaker 5: like a toddler.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he really thought that he would be

775
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Speaker 2: opening the conference the day after he quit?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's sort of weird, isn't it. I mean that

777
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Speaker 5: email is literally an hour before the press statement went out,

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Speaker 5: and I've start it beyond comprehension. I mean maybe he

779
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Speaker 5: must have. I mean it's there, but how you know?

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Speaker 5: There just seems to have a bit of detachment from reality.

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Speaker 5: Presumably someone either quickly or hawks be took on the

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Speaker 5: side and said, look, Adrian, go away, it's not your day.

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Speaker 2: Is there any explanation in the documentation as to why

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Speaker 2: they referred to his resignation as project Baroda?

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Speaker 5: I think that's just what corporates will do, government agencies

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Speaker 5: will do. You want to have some innocuous name so

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Speaker 5: that if people are searching around your document managements, then

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Speaker 5: they don't find document resignation of governor?

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Speaker 2: But why Baroda? What's the song?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean Baroda wasn't as a bank

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Speaker 5: that was operating in New Zealand, one of the Indian ones.

792
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Speaker 5: But they might just have some alphabetical list that you know,

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Speaker 5: ABU down to z. They have just been the random

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Speaker 5: being name that came up.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant Michael, Thank you very much. Appreciated as always, Michael Radelle,

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Speaker 2: former Reserve Bank Governor. Look, I don't know what this

797
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: tells you about working in the public service. But they

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Speaker 2: have the meeting, right so they're having this meeting. It's

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Speaker 2: Christian hawksby John McDermott, Naomi Mitchell, Nick McBride and helenkincaid,

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Speaker 2: and they're having this meeting where they on the Monday,

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Speaker 2: he's packed the tanty over the weekend and he's quitting,

802
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Speaker 2: and he finally quits on the Wednesday. But on the

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Speaker 2: Monday they have this meeting. They get together and they're

804
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Speaker 2: going to talk about it. Number one item on the

805
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Speaker 2: agenda well being check in dot everybody is doing okay.

806
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Speaker 2: We all need to work there, just to make sure

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Speaker 2: we're all okay.

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Speaker 3: Five to eleven Heather duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Now, the Independent Children's Monitor has released its first annual

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Speaker 2: report on how Maldy. Children and young people in the

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Speaker 2: Audu A Tamidi key system are going unfortunately not too well.

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Speaker 2: Maldy young people in the system are half as likely

813
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: to get a qualification as those outside it, and the

814
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Speaker 2: five times more likely to need mental health and addiction services.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones is Independent Children's Monasors Chief executive and with

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Speaker 2: us Now.

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Speaker 18: Hey Aaron, yeah, good evening.

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Speaker 2: Are you at all surprised by this?

819
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Speaker 19: I think the extent of the harm and some of

820
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Speaker 19: these outcomes is a little surprising. I think one of

821
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Speaker 19: the things that's perhaps most surprising to me is when

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Speaker 19: you look at young people who've gone to offend, ninety

823
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Speaker 19: two percent of them will have had previous concerns raised

824
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Speaker 19: about their safety and well being. So what it says

825
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Speaker 19: is there were opportunities earlier to help them that may

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Speaker 19: not have been taken.

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Speaker 2: How would what would those opportunities look like? How would

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Speaker 2: we help them?

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Speaker 19: Well, well, I think most children come to the attention

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Speaker 19: of what Dungo tamriki because they have needs. You know,

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Speaker 19: some of them will have suffered abuse, but a lot

832
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Speaker 19: of them will be coming through for welfare reasons. So

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Speaker 19: impacts of poverty, housing, security, you know, family violence and

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Speaker 19: poor mental health, both for their faro and for themselves.

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Speaker 19: And when that comes to the tension of Ordungo tamriki,

836
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Speaker 19: that's an opportunity for government to all agencies to step

837
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Speaker 19: in and try and address those needs so that they

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Speaker 19: get dealt with early and the support's there so that

839
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Speaker 19: these kids don't grow up and then end up becoming

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Speaker 19: these young offenders.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is where the Social Investment Agency is

842
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: supposed to pull this all together. Do you have confidence

843
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Speaker 2: it's going to work well?

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 19: Moving in the right direction, you know, putting investment, because

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00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 19: this report makes that case for that investment approach right,

847
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Speaker 19: putting the right help in place at the earliest time.

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Speaker 19: And if you can do that in a way that

849
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Speaker 19: allows providers just to get on and do the work.

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Speaker 19: And I'm talking about that. This report's got plenty of

851
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 19: examples about great work being done by Ewe Malori providers

852
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 19: to walk alongside Farno, so working not just with the

853
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 19: kid's needs, but the family's needs. You know, in terms

854
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 19: of a youth justice approach, making sure there's restitution. They're

855
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 19: addressing these young people that are addressing offenders. You know,

856
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 19: I heard a great story just the other day about

857
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Speaker 19: a young person who had robbed a store. They're now

858
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Speaker 19: working there. So this is the thing. You need to

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 19: invest in, the interventions early before it gets to crisis.

860
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 19: And so my hope is a social investment approach as

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Speaker 19: a government moves towards that will help with.

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Speaker 2: This brilliant Hey, thank you so much, I really appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Aaron Jones, Independent Children's Monitor together do for Sea

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Speaker 2: Allen now facial recognition technology. I'm a huge fan. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to say this right at the start. I think

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Speaker 2: this is the stuff that all of the retailers need

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Speaker 2: to be doing. And this is obviously the stuff that

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Speaker 2: food Stuff's was doing the trial of you know, to

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Speaker 2: be able to as you go into the supermarket, take

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Speaker 2: your photograph and if you've already shoplifted from them, then

871
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: they intercept you there and go no, mate, you're not welcome,

872
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: and the rest of us can go in. A bunch

873
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: of retailers have to Diet today signed a letter which

874
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: has gone out not so much saying that they're going

875
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: to use facial recognition technology, but saying that they support it.

876
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: And I think you can probably connect those two dots right.

877
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: They are either going to use it themselves or they're

878
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: going to try to get the mall that they are

879
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: in the middle of to use it. Brisco's, Bunnings, Farmers,

880
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: miter Ten, Michael Hill One, New Zealand, Spark and the Warehouse.

881
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 2: Good on them. And I want to know. And actually

882
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: this is a question for you because I I called

883
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: retail New Zealand about this lather ones that put up

884
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: press release and they're being really weird about it and

885
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: trying to trying to sell me on the benefits of

886
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: facial recognition technology. I was like, lady, why are you

887
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: wasting your time? I love this, I love it, I

888
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: love it, I love it. Why are you doing this?

889
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: They said, Oh, I feel like people need a bit

890
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: of education. You don't really understand it. So here's my

891
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: question to you. Okay, because they were a bit funny,

892
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: they didn't quite couldn't quite couldn't quite explain whether people

893
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: love it or not. So I want to know from you.

894
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: Are you okay with the facial recognition technology like I am?

895
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: Are you like, absolutely take the bad guy's photo. I

896
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: don't care, go for it, and I'm happy to have

897
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: you take mine. So you can get the bad goes.

898
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: Are you okay with it? Or are you weird about it?

899
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: Let me know? Nine two nine to two quarter past. Well,

900
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: it's fair to say win tour is well and truly here,

901
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 2: isn't it? And that means it's red wine season, baby,

902
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: and the guys at the Good Wine Co Have just

903
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: landed a fifteen dollar Ossie Red is going to blow minds. Okay,

904
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: this is your value for money red wine for winter.

905
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 2: The wine is called the Fox and the Grapes Charraz

906
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: Cabinet twenty twenty two and it's available online now at

907
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: the Goodwine Dot Co dot in z Now. This wine

908
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: is made by John Carresa aka Johnny Q aka the

909
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: King of Bang for Buckozsie Reds. But this latest release

910
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: is something truly a bit special. This fifteen dollar red

911
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: has three gold medals to its name, including a double

912
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: gold and a ninety eight out of one hundred score

913
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: at the New Zealand International Wine Show. Scoring double at

914
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: this competition is seriously impressive, and this was one of

915
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: only five wines in this category to do so. Double Gold,

916
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: by the way, is when the Chief Senior Judge, and

917
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: by the way, that's the Master of Wine Bob Campbell

918
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: and then all the other senior judges award a wine

919
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Speaker 2: a gold medal score a full bodied, rich, luscious flavor

920
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: patcher as cabinet blend that is obvious value at just

921
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: fourteen ninety nine per bottle. Even better, you'll page just

922
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Speaker 2: one dollar per case delivery nationwide if you order tonight

923
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Speaker 2: Tonight conditions apply, so order right now online at the

924
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: Goodwine dot co dot in Z or you can give

925
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: them a call. Oh eight hundred double six two double six.

926
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Speaker 3: Two ever dul on nineteen past five.

927
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: Now, DNA testing company twenty three and meter is being

928
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: taken to court by a huge number of US states

929
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: because what's going on is that they want to sell

930
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: off the customer's personal genetic information. But this is without

931
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: customer's knowledge or consent. The company holds DNA info for

932
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: more than fifteen million people, many of them will be

933
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: in New Zealand as well. Rick Sheharer is a privacy lawyer. Hey, Rick, Hi,

934
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: how are you well? Thank you? If you've sent your

935
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: DNA into the slot, should you be worried?

936
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 20: I've said that right from the start. It's highly tempting. Obviously,

937
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 20: we all want to know where we came from and

938
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 20: who we were related to. But one never knows where

939
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 20: these things are going to end up.

940
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: Where are they going to end up? So apparently, if

941
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: you're pharmaceutical company said last month it would pay two

942
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six million US dollars for it, what

943
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: do they do with it?

944
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 20: Yeah, well they'll use it to develop pharmaceuticals, no doubt,

945
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 20: and for any other purposes that they might want to

946
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 20: use it for. They say, of course that they will

947
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 20: abide by the privacy policies and so on that the

948
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 20: company already had. But those, like many privacy policies, are

949
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 20: a little bit of opaque. You don't quite know where

950
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 20: it's going to end up or what they're going to

951
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 20: do with it.

952
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: So what's the worst that they can do with it?

953
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: Rick?

954
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: I mean, because increasingly, I'm sure you're experiencing this. Increasingly

955
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: we are getting we are living in a world where

956
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: our information is just widely available to companies, Google, et cetera. Right,

957
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: So why should we What are these guys going to

958
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: do with it? What should be worried about?

959
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 20: Well, we don't know what they're going to do with it,

960
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 20: that's the problem. And terms of terms of service and

961
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 20: privacy policies can be changed almost welly Nelly, these days

962
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 20: where we're used to getting the email in our box

963
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 20: saying oh, by the way, our privacy policy has changed.

964
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 20: If you continue to use our service, then you've accepted it.

965
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 20: The difficulty here, I think is that that's all very well,

966
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 20: where you know you're giving up some sort of personal

967
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 20: information of some data, even a credit card. You can

968
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 20: change your credit card when you like, you can't.

969
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 10: Change your DNA.

970
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 20: Yeah, So once it's out there, and once it's gone,

971
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 20: it's gone for good. And of course, with the increases

972
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 20: in technology, the use of DNA to do all sorts

973
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 20: of things, including identifying us just for run of them,

974
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 20: all types of things is going to become more prevalent.

975
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 20: So the ability for people to impersonate us using DNA

976
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 20: is likely to increase as well.

977
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: Hey, with very good point, Rick, thanks very much, appreciate it.

978
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: Rick Share a privacy lawyer. Speaking of your data being

979
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: out there, Yesterday on the show, I talked about Reese Plumbing,

980
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: great outfit, Reese dot co dot NZ. I said what

981
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: popped up on my ADS today renovation for my bathroom.

982
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I wasn't I'm not looking. I

983
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: was telling other people about a renovation for a bathroom,

984
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: but now they think I want a renovation for my bathroom.

985
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: Does like.

986
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: If you're worried about your DNA, you should be flipping

987
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: out about the fact that your phone is literally listening

988
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: to you all the time. How weird is that? When

989
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: you think about it, I mean, I feel like what

990
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: we need to get is like a like a black

991
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: box or like one of those metal boxes at your

992
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: front door. Come into the house, put your phone away

993
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: so they can't hear what you're up to all day

994
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: and all night. Think about that. Yes here they speaking Jesus,

995
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: it's all privacy at the moment. A yes here, they're

996
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: absolutely fine with the facial recognition. Here the photo half away.

997
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: I'll even make sure I smile for the supermarkets. Hither

998
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: only the criminals won't like it. Hither, Yes to the

999
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: facial recognition, No problem at all. It goes on, And

1000
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: I think there was only one who said no, not

1001
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: okay with it, said Jenny. Now, Jenny, I want to

1002
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: know what have you been up to that you don't

1003
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: like this? Five point twenty.

1004
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Two informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen

1005
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

1006
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: News talks, there'd be five to twenty five. Listen. I

1007
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: think in the end, ground swell is going to be proven, right,

1008
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: But I don't think they're going to get what they

1009
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: want right now, and I don't think they should get

1010
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: what they want right now, because what they want is

1011
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: for New Zealand to pull out of the Paris Agreement. Now,

1012
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: we cannot pull out of the Paris Agreement, well, at

1013
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: least we cannot pull out of it right now. Right

1014
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: we cannot be one of the first or the first

1015
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: to pull out, because the first lot of countries that

1016
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: pull out of the Paris Agreement are going to be

1017
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: the ones who are blamed for destroying the agreement, and

1018
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: they will pay for it reputationally. And frankly, here in

1019
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: New Zealand wely way too much on our good guy

1020
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: reputation for tourism, in trading and so on to risk

1021
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: being seen to not care about climate change. But I

1022
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: think that eventually we will pull out, or more likely

1023
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: actually just the agreement will fall apart by itself because

1024
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: it's not working. I mean, just look at the numbers

1025
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: we are supposed to hit our first significant target, the

1026
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: twenty thirty target, in five years time. We're not going

1027
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: to hit it. I can tell you that now. We

1028
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: are not going to hit it in five years time.

1029
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: Neither are a whole bunch of other countries Argentina, South Korea,

1030
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, Canada. Just go through the list

1031
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: of countries to find how many of them are actually

1032
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: going to hit it.

1033
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 11: Now.

1034
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: When we don't hit it, which is inevitable, we are

1035
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: supposed to fix it up by planting a huge number

1036
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: of trees, and we're only going to be able to

1037
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: do that by paying probably a developing country to plant

1038
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: those trees for us. And the estimated bill for that

1039
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: as it stands right now twenty three billion dollars. Now,

1040
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: do you think we're gonna send twenty three billion dollars

1041
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: overseas in twenty thirty. No, of course we're not going to.

1042
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: We know that because the Climate Minister has basically gone

1043
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: around saying that. And even Chloe Swarbrick knows that this

1044
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: thing is falling apart, because we had her on the

1045
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: show just a few weeks ago and I asked her

1046
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: if the Paris agreement was going to hold and she

1047
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't say yes, which tells you she already knows. So

1048
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: if Chloe can see that the thing is going to fail,

1049
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: and Simon Watts is predicting that it's going to fail,

1050
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: then perhaps we all need to see that it is

1051
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: going to fail at some point and ground Swell will

1052
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: eventually be proven, right Heather do for see Allen. Jenny Markcroft,

1053
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: Jenny Marcroft came into the office today. Who's Jenny Marcroft?

1054
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: You say, Jenny Markcroft is the Media and Communications Parliamentary

1055
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: Undersecretary from the New Zealand First Party. Absolute good bird.

1056
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this because Jenny brought a couple of

1057
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: cakes in and normally what happens and this is oh man,

1058
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: I'm making this about myself. But hey, you know, I'm

1059
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: just going to do that. I'm just going to lean

1060
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: right into this. I because of the time of day

1061
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: that I come in, everybody's already gobbled up all the

1062
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: cake by themselves. They have a birthday part of this,

1063
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: gobble up the cake. But Jenny said to them, she

1064
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: brought in the two cakes for the Radio awards to

1065
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: say congratulations to news Talks. He'd be is she sucking

1066
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: up to us a year. She is a Media and

1067
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: Communications Parliamentary undersecretary. Keep it up, Jenny, So I don't

1068
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: mind this kind of sucking up. She said to them,

1069
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: you keep a couple of slices for Heather, and they

1070
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 2: were Jenny, those were good cakes. Thank you for that anyway.

1071
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: So I just think that there's a lesson there for everyone.

1072
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: Suck up with a cake. Headline's next.

1073
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1074
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

1075
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: Let's get connected. News talks. The'd be.

1076
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: Huddles standing by Fletcher Building. Finally some good news for them,

1077
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: they reckon. Potential buyers are lining up to buy their businesses.

1078
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: The new CEO floated the possibility of selling off some

1079
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: of their businesses. It's part of this review, they reckon.

1080
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: It's going down really well. We'll have a chat to Samtratha.

1081
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: We have Milford Asset Management after six o'clock. Right now,

1082
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Speaker 2: it's twenty four away from.

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Speaker 3: Six Togeather do for Cellen too.

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Speaker 2: High profile Israeli ministers are now banned from New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli Finance minister Bezlals Motrich and the Security Minister

1086
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: Ittamar ben Via have been banned from multiple countries, sparking

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Speaker 2: backlash from the United States. Not particularly happy with us

1088
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Speaker 2: about this. The Israeli ambassador to New Zealand Alone Roth

1089
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Speaker 2: is with us now, hail on we do Did your

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Speaker 2: government get any notice before this happened?

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Speaker 21: No, no, we were surprised yesterday.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 21: I think that what we see now is that we

1094
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 21: are trying to get some kind of ceasefire in the

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Speaker 21: fight in the Middle East, in Gaza and Israly fighting

1096
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Speaker 21: seven frants on the same time. And I wish that

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Speaker 21: all parties involved, the international players would have helped us

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Speaker 21: to reach this sease fire and to reach some kind

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Speaker 21: of ends to this war and make sure that this

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Speaker 21: our organization from US is not with us. So we

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Speaker 21: are for discussions, We are for talks, We are for dialogues.

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Speaker 21: We are not for putting blame or putting whatever was

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Speaker 21: done yesterday night to our ministers.

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Speaker 2: Do you expect that you will get more of these

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00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: kinds of sanctions that are targeted at individuals in the

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Speaker 2: government as the risk the world becomes increasingly frustrated with Israel.

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Speaker 21: You know, we have to look on the bigger issue here.

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Speaker 21: What is the context. The context is that a year

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00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 21: and a half ago as well was viciously attacked by

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Speaker 21: a terror organization. Twelve hundred civilians were massacred, raped, taken

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Speaker 21: in to Gaza. Many of them are still in Gaza

1112
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 21: suffering horrors. The Palestinian population was taken hostage by at

1113
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Speaker 21: our organization called Hamas. And these are the issues that

1114
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 21: we have to deal with, not the composition of the

1115
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Speaker 21: Israeli government. And I do hope, as I said, the

1116
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 21: international players are very important. And this for us is

1117
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 21: an existential war. We see an existential threat. You know,

1118
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 21: we are being attacked from from Iran and from Yemen

1119
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Speaker 21: and from Gaza, of course, and he's belind the North,

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Speaker 21: et cetera, et cetera. And we hope that our friends,

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Speaker 21: especially our democratic friends, will help us to go forward

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Speaker 21: and to reach what we really want to reach, and.

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Speaker 3: This is peace.

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Speaker 2: How are the democratic friends supposed to help you? What

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Speaker 2: can I what can I actually do practically?

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Speaker 21: I you know, I think that there is intelligence in

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Speaker 21: every government and in empery place. And I see for example,

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Speaker 21: what our American friends are doing with us. I see

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Speaker 21: the proposals that are coming time and again to the table.

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Speaker 21: And by the way, Israel always said yes to these proposals,

1131
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Speaker 21: even the ones that were more problematic for us and

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Speaker 21: the other side. Hamas, in a serial kind of answer,

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00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 21: answered negatively. So if you ask me what should be

1134
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 21: done the international community, especially the democratics, that democracies should

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00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 21: put pressure on Hamas and not on Israel. Israel really

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Speaker 21: wants peace, Israel shows it. The Israeli culture is the

1137
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 21: culture of life, not the culture of death. We want peace,

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Speaker 21: but we can't have a terror organization, armed ter organization

1139
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Speaker 21: on our southern border. We saw on the seventh of

1140
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Speaker 21: October what happened, and we still have dozens of Israelis

1141
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 21: that are suffering horrible suffering in their tunnels.

1142
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Speaker 2: You guys must be aware. I mean, you're smart enough,

1143
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: obviously as diplomats, to be aware of the fact that

1144
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: it is becoming increasingly difficult for the world to support you.

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00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 21: Right again, the question is not to support Israel or not.

1146
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 21: The question is much bigger. The question is whether we

1147
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 21: want to show terrorists this time in the Middle East,

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Speaker 21: in the south of Israel, but tomorrow it will be

1149
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 21: elsewhere that they can fight with lies and with embedding

1150
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 21: themselves into their own population, civilian population, and making sure

1151
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 21: that they are liked in the world, because the world

1152
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 21: is saying, well, Israel is doing harm to this population.

1153
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 21: If this is the example that is going to win,

1154
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 21: all of us are in great danger and Israel is

1155
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 21: today's suffering the world. That will determine whether terrorism is

1156
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Speaker 21: going to win or whether the idea of life, democracy

1157
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 21: and judicial systems that are the strongest and decide whatever

1158
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 21: is being done, are winning. And for the time being,

1159
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Speaker 21: unfortunately we don't see it enough.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ellen, thank you very much for your time.

1161
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Alon Roth, Israeli Ambassador to New Zealand.

1162
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Speaker 3: The Huddle with.

1163
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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you all one of

1164
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: the kind.

1165
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: I'm the huddle with us. So see if we have

1166
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Speaker 2: Jack Taime, host of Q and A Saturday Mornings here

1167
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: on Newstig Zibi and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too, Jack?

1168
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 2: Are you down there at Field Days?

1169
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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 10: I sure?

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Speaker 8: I am World, It's amazing, it's amazing. The PM got

1172
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Speaker 8: a little bit more pushback than I think he was expecting.

1173
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Speaker 8: Notwithstanding that poll we're going to talk about huh. But

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Speaker 8: I think there's a slight risk that the governing parties

1175
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Speaker 8: take the support of farmers for granted. Oh well, he

1176
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Speaker 8: was pretty snaky on the FEDS have a great little

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Speaker 8: campaign around save our sheep. This is the issue with

1178
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Speaker 8: forestry take over all the productive for so many of

1179
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 8: the productive farmland. And he went in there in the

1180
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 8: and spoke at the feeds of ends and sets. It

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Speaker 8: was the sillier stillboard I've ever seen waste of money,

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Speaker 8: rare rah. So clearly it's you know, when plants is

1183
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 8: reacting that it's hurting a sore spot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So not reading the room on that one,

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, Jack, what do you make of

1186
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Speaker 2: ground Swell advocating for us to pull out of the

1187
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Speaker 2: climate Cord.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm not altogether surprised, and I see the X

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Speaker 18: David Siml was there making similar calls. I can't see

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Speaker 18: national supporting that move for the moment, but I can

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00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 18: foresee a scenario in the next couple of years in

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00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 18: which our whole stack of countries are going to basically

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Speaker 18: all come out at once and say, yeah, you know what,

1194
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 18: you know, those commitments we made, Yeah, we're not going

1195
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Speaker 18: to be reaching those.

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Speaker 2: And that's out that we need right.

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Speaker 22: Well, well, look, New Zealand's not going to lead it.

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Speaker 22: We're not going to be the Internet. We're not going

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Speaker 22: to be the country that leads all these other international

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Speaker 22: players pulling out of Paris, you know. But I mean

1201
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Speaker 22: so much of.

1202
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Speaker 18: The stuff is around branding, and we can think of

1203
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 18: ourselves as being clean and green, but keep in mind

1204
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Speaker 18: that even to meet our commitments, even if we had

1205
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 18: significantly reduced our emissions much more than we have, we

1206
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 18: would still be on the hook for likely billions of

1207
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Speaker 18: dollars in international carbon credits, as dubious as they might be,

1208
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Speaker 18: in order to meet our commitments. And I just think

1209
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 18: there are going to be a whole I can foresee

1210
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 18: a scenario in which our whole heap of countries are

1211
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 18: going to come out and say, you know what, we're

1212
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Speaker 18: not going to buy the credits to make out the

1213
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 18: shortfall between where we are and where our commitments. He

1214
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Speaker 18: would be.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's in there's inevitability about the Jordan?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.

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00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 8: Jack's being on, But I'd put it slightly differently because

1218
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Speaker 8: I get really annoyed just with with politicians just misleading

1219
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Speaker 8: the public because you talk to the even senior cabinet

1220
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 8: ministers and you talk to them about the sturdy billion

1221
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 8: dollars that we've signed up for missus next Climate Target,

1222
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 8: and they all because it's not in the government box,

1223
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 8: it's not there. And they say, oh well it's not

1224
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 8: it's not their because I don't not worrying Jordan, and

1225
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 8: we're not going to pay it. You know, it is ridiculous.

1226
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Speaker 8: We're not going to really sign it, we don't really

1227
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Speaker 8: mean it. And then you moment you put them on tape,

1228
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Speaker 8: for which I did, I asked little agreed today a

1229
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 8: sell willing pe the National MP and far When they're

1230
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 8: on tape, they're like, oh no, we're very serious about it.

1231
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Speaker 8: You know, it's unimaginable we pull out and you know

1232
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Speaker 8: miss lux and has actually clarified.

1233
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Speaker 2: Like I agree with you. I get irritated by this

1234
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: as well. But what come on, guys, corry on Jordan,

1235
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: think about it, think about our international branding. They cannot

1236
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: go out there and say that they're not going to.

1237
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 8: Trading partners are already I mean the Yanks have already

1238
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 8: said this is a joke.

1239
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: We're not going to go trading partner by any means, are.

1240
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Speaker 8: Going to pull back because we're not in Paris.

1241
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: Come on, no, but you know that we cannot afford

1242
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: it reputationally to be the guys at the right, at

1243
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: the vanguard of it saying that we're pulling out.

1244
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 8: The farmers are saying, you know, it's just it makes

1245
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 8: me laugh at the town needs all say we can't

1246
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 8: possibly do this because it'll affect the farmers and our

1247
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 8: international trading relationships. And yet you've now you're now getting

1248
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 8: more and more sort of mainstream farmingganization saying that you

1249
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 8: know that this is killing us.

1250
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Speaker 2: But Jordan, do you not think do you not think

1251
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Speaker 2: that it's being played exactly the right way by the

1252
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: national lead government at the moment, which is that if you,

1253
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: if you care about this and you read about this,

1254
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: you can see that they are saying this thing is

1255
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: falling apart and we're not going to pay the money,

1256
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: But they cannot say it internationally. So what it means

1257
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: is you, as a smart farmer, need to start factoring

1258
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: in that Paris is not a thing anymore.

1259
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 8: You could be right, it's just I am principle really

1260
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 8: dislike it when politicians say one thing on tape and

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 8: one thing I agree with you generally. That's why, That's

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Speaker 8: why I don't want to be a politician.

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Speaker 2: But if they say it out loud, then someone like

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Speaker 2: Jack's going to absolutely rip his ninety, isn't he?

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Speaker 18: And he shout, who's nightty am? I ripping?

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: Well?

1267
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can I just test this with you, Jack?

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Speaker 2: How gutted are you that the Paris Accord is a

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Speaker 2: nothing now?

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Speaker 18: I mean, I'm not very go because I quite chemical

1271
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Speaker 18: about these sorts of things at the best of times.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I've thought for a long time that you

1273
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Speaker 18: know that the golf between what countries were pledging on

1274
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Speaker 18: a mission's reductions and what was actually being done was

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Speaker 18: going to take a herculean effort to overcome. I mean,

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Speaker 18: I do think climate change is a massive problem. I

1277
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Speaker 18: do think we need to reduce our emissions. I do

1278
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Speaker 18: think we need to put a whole lot more effort

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Speaker 18: and energy into adaptation. One thing I do think is

1280
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Speaker 18: quite interesting though, But the way this is unfolded is

1281
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Speaker 18: how the market pressures outside of the explicit detail and

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Speaker 18: the Powis Agreement are dictating behavior. So if you look

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Speaker 18: at like Fonterra's biggest clients, right is a nest layer

1284
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Speaker 18: I think is the biggest client for Fontira internationally for emissions.

1285
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Speaker 18: For emissions reductions are arguably going to do a whole

1286
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Speaker 18: lot more than any of our commitments under Paris. So

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Speaker 18: you know, it is intriguing to see what the.

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Speaker 3: Market is but a.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, let's see if it holds. I just don't

1290
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Speaker 2: believe it's going to hold it all, even with the

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Speaker 2: nestlay front. Guys will take a break.

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Speaker 1: Come back shortly the huddle with New Zealand South the

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Speaker 1: Beast International Realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,

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Speaker 2: you ever done yourself one of those little tests as

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Speaker 2: DNA tests.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I have, and then I got worried about the

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Speaker 8: data and got them to delete it because it's really interesting.

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Speaker 8: But I think that's where sort of you know, with

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Speaker 8: this data sort of traded online and where where AI

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Speaker 8: is going and probably where insurance is eventually going to go.

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Speaker 8: I think we need to be a little bit guarded,

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Speaker 8: but it's probably the horse has already bolted. You look

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Speaker 8: at that half a few years ago of all the

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Speaker 8: GPS art are across the Wellington region. Yeah, it might

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Speaker 8: be might be a little late for that.

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Speaker 2: I worry. I worry about the insurance aspect of a

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Speaker 2: jack what about you?

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Speaker 23: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Absolutely. It sort of feels like remember that movie Gafficer

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Speaker 18: whom that no, uh it up. It's written by the

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Speaker 18: guy who wrote The Key We guy who wrote the

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Speaker 18: Truman Show as well. Oh I am fantastic film anyway,

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Speaker 18: it's it's kind of talked about the DNA profiling and

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Speaker 18: in the fighting Come On Future, And yeah, it concerns

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Speaker 18: me as well. I did do one of those that

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Speaker 18: I did a DNA part of a TV show way

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Speaker 18: back in the day. You'll be started to learn that

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Speaker 18: I come from fiercely Scottish, English and Irish stock for

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Speaker 18: about ninety nine point of the other well, the other

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Speaker 18: that curiously is South Asians, because of course, my great

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Speaker 18: great great great grandma was a Muslim woman from Kalkafa.

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Speaker 18: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: How do you know this fact?

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Speaker 18: Because I was on a TV show that went into

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Speaker 18: my background and and it's it's sort of family law actually,

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Speaker 18: my my, my whatever whatever.

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Speaker 8: It is.

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Speaker 18: My great great great grandfather was the surgeon General of Calcusa,

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Speaker 18: so moved from Scotland to Calcusa. He and my great

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Speaker 18: great great whatever grandma checked up and the rest is history.

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Speaker 22: That is anyway, that is I'm similarly concerned, and so

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Speaker 22: I'm in the process of trying to have where's.

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Speaker 2: The coolest thing about you? Actually right now about you?

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Speaker 18: It's probably a low bar. Really, yeah, it is about

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Speaker 18: It is true that if you if you yeah, I

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Speaker 18: think I think.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Basically the entire thing is just as you'd expect, but

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Speaker 18: for one flash of something slightly interesting.

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Speaker 2: So great great great grandfather was you know, but racy

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Speaker 2: and decided I.

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Speaker 18: Feel a story there, like we don't have all the details.

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Speaker 18: I was like, I was trying to look up the

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Speaker 18: marriage records and I was like, oh, they're curiously missing.

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Speaker 2: M I love it. Hey. By the way, Jordan, just

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Speaker 2: quickly on that poll that you guys commissioned that found

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Speaker 2: only three percent of farmers would vote for later.

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Speaker 8: This isn't us.

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Speaker 10: This is the said.

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Speaker 2: I gave you the credit. Take the credit, Just take

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Speaker 2: it while you still can. But why should be even

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Speaker 2: turning up because that, I mean, that's heartbreakingly low for him.

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Speaker 8: Isn't it clearly clearly there's no way through farmer support

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Speaker 8: labor what Poland company is? There was this courier market research.

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Speaker 8: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: I mean labour actually just down down the way and

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Speaker 8: we're all living Marquee. You find a near the text

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Speaker 8: files yet we've going to chippy hasn't turned up yet

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Speaker 8: when there's been a holy copter coming in there out

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Speaker 8: what we're waiting for. It very clearly that they're trying

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Speaker 8: to make an effort, but it is a real worry

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Speaker 8: and this is our largest export industry. Labor need the

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Speaker 8: economic credibility and you're only getting three percent. The other surprise,

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Speaker 8: the feeds tell me that compared to their last poll

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Speaker 8: a year or two ago, that act has come down

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Speaker 8: quite a bit. Again, I think that if the center

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Speaker 8: Rid are going to have to start delivering rather than

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Speaker 8: just slow walking there their promises, which is what you.

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Speaker 2: Were saying before taking them for granted. Guys, thanks so much,

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame, Jordan Williams Huddle seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Hard Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Hither the Crunch for Paris this is the Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 2: Hits the five year treasury forecast at next year's budget,

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Speaker 2: that's when it becomes a realized liability. There has to

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Speaker 2: be accounted for.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we could just be s and say we're

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Speaker 2: going to hit the target, but I don't think Treasury

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Speaker 2: are allowed to b s to the tune of twenty

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Speaker 2: three billion dollars, So we're just it's added to the

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty billion

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Speaker 2: dollar borrowing. Thank you for that grunt. Yeah, we'll still

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Speaker 2: be pretending next year, I think four away from six

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Speaker 2: now there. So there's been a bit of discussion online

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Speaker 2: lately about how different generations do different things, and there's

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Speaker 2: an article in The Guardian and it's also in the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, different articles, but basically about how generations

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Speaker 2: are behaving and apparently we all do our own annoying thing, right,

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Speaker 2: So the boomers when they go into a bar, find

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Speaker 2: things to complain about, and apparently this is particularly in

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Speaker 2: the States. Used to do this thing where if you

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Speaker 2: bought a certain number of drinks in the States, you

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Speaker 2: get a free one. The boomers still want that, and

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Speaker 2: they just don't do it anymore, but they're still going

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Speaker 2: for it. The gen Xes are big time complainers. They

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Speaker 2: want to pick where they sit there. They tell you

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Speaker 2: every miner inconvenience that they're going through they have to

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Speaker 2: have air conditioning and it's always breaking down. Blah blah blah. Millennials,

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Speaker 2: my generation, we still drink like we were in our

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Speaker 2: twenties apparently, but we can't. So we go hard on

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Speaker 2: the whiskeys on the rocks and then were munted before

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Speaker 2: you know it. But I thought this was interesting. The

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Speaker 2: very very young ones, the ones who were just drinking

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Speaker 2: at the moment, in know, like twenty eight year olds

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Speaker 2: and thereabouts and under. They apparently don't open bar tabs.

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Speaker 2: Now this is a big This is blowing the minds

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Speaker 2: of the Americans that the kids aren't opening the bar tabs.

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Speaker 2: But it got me. I looked at that and went, well,

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Speaker 2: it made me think we don't actually have a culture

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Speaker 2: of opening bar tabs in New Zealand?

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Speaker 21: Do we?

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Speaker 2: Like if you think, when was the last time you

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Speaker 2: went out and to a bar and just went, here's

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Speaker 2: my here's my credit card, start a bar tab. We'll

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Speaker 2: put all my mates and me and put drinks on it.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we do that?

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Speaker 8: Is this?

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Speaker 2: And I suspect it's because we're just tight ons? Is

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Speaker 2: that what it is? Is that why we don't open

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Speaker 2: the bar tabs? Anyway, if you have an answer, I'd

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Speaker 2: love to know, because first time I ever opened a

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Speaker 2: bar tab I felt like such a gangstay. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm rich now. It was just the one though. News

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Speaker 2: Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: Just give what what's what's down with a major cause

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Speaker 1: and how will it affect the economy? The big business

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Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Ellen and

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Speaker 1: Mars Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future

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Speaker 1: us talk.

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Speaker 3: Said v.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up to the next hour. As I

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Speaker 2: said at the start of the show. Currently in country,

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Speaker 2: Sir Nick Gibb, the former UK Schools Minister who turned

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Speaker 2: their educational achievement around. He's going to be at us

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Speaker 2: after half past Sam Trafu. We have Milford Asset Management

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Speaker 2: on Fletcher Business and also Gavin Gray out of the

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Speaker 2: UK at seven past six. Now, a luxury real estate

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Speaker 2: agent is calling on the Prime Minister to lift the

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Speaker 2: ban on foreign home buyers. He's written an open letter

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Speaker 2: saying that he has clients wanting to invest millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars in New Zealand, but they can't because they can't

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Speaker 2: buy homes here. And Didy morsen Coff is with us.

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Speaker 2: Our he Anthony, Hi, thank you for having me on

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Speaker 2: your show. Yeah, thanks very much for joining us. Now

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Speaker 2: I understand you've got one ultra high net worth individual

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Speaker 2: in particular that you are representing.

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Speaker 11: Is that right, I've got Molti Paul. I've got a

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Speaker 11: whole series at Forbes. At Forbes Logal Properties, we deal

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Speaker 11: with one of the largest databases of ultra high networth

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Speaker 11: people in the world, and there's quite a number of

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Speaker 11: those that have property port investment portfolios around the world.

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Speaker 11: They'd love to include New Zealand in that portfolio and

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Speaker 11: they are having. The current legislation that we're dealing with

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Speaker 11: is good for corporates, but it's not good for the

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Speaker 11: owners of those corporates because so they want to come

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Speaker 11: here and invest into New Zealand, they cannot buy a

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Speaker 11: house or they have to wait three years, which is

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Speaker 11: just not practical. People walking away.

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Speaker 2: How much do you reckon is sitting out there and

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Speaker 2: just on your books wanting to come in money wise,

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Speaker 2: but can't.

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Speaker 11: I would have easy five hundred million dollars of people

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Speaker 11: wanting to invest in New Zealand, and I mean easy.

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Speaker 11: I've got clients there that want to invest into big

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Speaker 11: land developments for residential houses. I've got to buy a

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Speaker 11: tech company that wants to come to New Zealand. So

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Speaker 11: I've got a lot of different sort of people that

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Speaker 11: want to invest here in New Zealand, and they want

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Speaker 11: to buy properties, not only in Auckland. These are not

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Speaker 11: only Auckland buyers. These are people that want to buy

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Speaker 11: also in the country where often, you know, we get

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Speaker 11: homes that are worth let's say four or five million

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Speaker 11: dollars and they can't. And they would be really good

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Speaker 11: to adding to the people in the countryside that they

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Speaker 11: get the people in the countryside get additional income from

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Speaker 11: these people buying these properties they can't.

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Speaker 2: How long do you reckon we've go because obviously Australia's

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Speaker 2: are doing the old ban on the foreign buyers, and

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Speaker 2: there's also talk about the wealth tax and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: So how long have we got do you think to

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Speaker 2: cut Australia's lunch?

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Speaker 11: I think yeah, that may change, but at the current moment,

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Speaker 11: I don't see that. I think we've got a short

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Speaker 11: time pero with everything what's happening in the United States

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Speaker 11: and over in Europe. Those are the people at a

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Speaker 11: moment are looking at New Zealand. It's a safe haven

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Speaker 11: and we've got a lot to offer as New Zealand

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Speaker 11: for those people. But at the same time, those people

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Speaker 11: have got a lot to offer to New Zealand. You know,

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Speaker 11: they offer employment, they bring tech skills, they bring investment

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Speaker 11: to companies here, and we're not letting them buy a house.

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Speaker 11: It's too crazy for words.

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Speaker 2: All right, Listen, you've spoken to the Prime Minister about it.

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Speaker 2: Any indication it's going to change, he.

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Speaker 11: Said to me personally, he says, about half a year ago,

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Speaker 11: watched this space and I've had That was November last

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Speaker 11: year at at a meeting with him, and since then,

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Speaker 11: I've watched that space and I've talked to other ministers.

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Speaker 11: I've talked to members of Parliament. I've had clients talk

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Speaker 11: to ministers, and everything seems to be on hold. Nobody's

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Speaker 11: doing anything.

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Speaker 2: We're still watching the space. Okay, listen, thank you very much, Anthony.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. Anthony Morzenkoff Luxury Real estate

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Speaker 2: agent Heather. Jetstar in New Zealand looks like it's going

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Speaker 2: to be boosting its capacity because Quantus obviously owns the

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Speaker 2: jet Star brand. Quantus is closing down its Jetstar Asia business,

1510
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: which means they've got thirteen planes that are being freed up,

1511
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 2: and they're going to send those thirteen planes to Australia

1512
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: and New Zealand. Now, I would imagine vast majority of

1513
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 2: those planes will go to Aussie, but some of them

1514
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: will be coming here. And I don't know about you,

1515
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: but if you've been complaining about Air New Zealand's ticket prices,

1516
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: you should be pretty stoked about this because any capacity

1517
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: that jet Star brings to New Zealand means that Air

1518
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 2: New Zealand's going to have a bit more competition, means

1519
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: that the prices should come down a little bit. So

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: that's good news, Heather. This is why we don't This

1521
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: is why people don't start bar tabs. Have you seen

1522
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: the prices on drinks in New Zealand. My credit card

1523
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: limit would be exceeded, Heather. Yes, we're tight asses, but

1524
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: also drinks are such a ripoff in New Zealand. Heather,

1525
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: it's because the beer in town costs fifteen dollars. The

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: price at home hasn't changed that much. I suppose that's

1527
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: what it is, because there's a thing like if you

1528
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: because Ants and I have had a debate about this.

1529
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: I think it's an age and stage thing. But well,

1530
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: at least I thought it was an agent stage thing.

1531
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 2: I thought, Oh, well, it's when you're a young person,

1532
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean, and you sort of

1533
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 2: the start of your career, you don't have a lot

1534
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: of money, so you go out and you really mind

1535
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: your money, just buy one drink at a time, and

1536
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 2: if you're going to buy your made a drink, you

1537
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: totally expect them to shout your back. Then you obviously

1538
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: hit your stride. You know, when you get you start

1539
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: getting your ball of money and your gangster money, and

1540
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: then you don't care anymore. I just think that maybe

1541
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: there's not enough people with the gangster money just sort

1542
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 2: of would you agree with that answer to sort of

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: make it a cultural thing?

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 24: Well, yeah, I mean the main reason I haven't started

1545
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 24: to have is that I'm just terrified that I'll put

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 24: my credit card behind the bar and after about twenty minutes.

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01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 10: The sort of friends I've.

1548
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: Got like that will absolutely make it.

1549
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 10: It will have hit the limit, like yeah, yea, yeah

1550
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 10: and yeah.

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Speaker 24: And I always don't like the whole round system because

1552
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 24: to me, I'm just a practical person in this sort

1553
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 24: of thing. You know, I know what I want to drink,

1554
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 24: I'll go get it, I'll go pay for it there

1555
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 24: like sort it out, where as opposed to, you know,

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01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 24: with rounds, you're going having to sort of remember everybody's

1557
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 24: drink order, go up, pay for everybody, and then oh, okay,

1558
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 24: we're going to leave after this one, and then you

1559
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 24: have to keep track of who's turn it is to pay.

1560
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: About to tell a story that's going to get me

1561
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: in trouble? Shall I do it? Okay, here we go.

1562
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: So once upon a time when I was a young person,

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01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: myself and my friend Angela were working for for We

1564
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: were very very new journalists working in radio, working for

1565
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: Radio Life. They don't exist anymore. And we went to

1566
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: White Hongey and Guyan Espiner was the TV and Z

1567
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: political editor and he was he was look I like Guyan,

1568
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: I really like gone. But he was not cool that

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: night at all. And we were we were, you know,

1570
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 2: we were like, you know, you're not cool, are you

1571
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 2: and we we were standing next to him when he

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01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: went to the bar and said, I'll just put that

1573
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 2: on on my bar tab. Guy and Espiner, TV and

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01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: Z and so when he walked away, we said, oh,

1575
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 2: we'll just put the just put it on his bart.

1576
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: We'll just put it onto the bar tab. We're with

1577
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: TV and Z just put on Guyan's bar tab. And

1578
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 2: they did. They wrung it up at the Kopthorn in

1579
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: White Hongey. And I don't think anybody ever told Guyan

1580
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 2: and now we did so anyway.

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 10: That's why to get him on the show tomorrow.

1582
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: That's why ant's never put clearly, I'm not going.

1583
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 10: To start on when you're when you're around here.

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, because this is what people do, especially

1585
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 2: if you're a bit of a dick that night anyway,

1586
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: and Guyan is not a dick, he's a lovely man.

1587
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: But anyway, he did pay for it that night. Fourteen

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Speaker 2: past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1590
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

1591
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Speaker 2: We all do it, don't we. We overthink the big things,

1592
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: the job security, the mortgage rates, that lump in our neck.

1593
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 2: But we also overthink the little things. What night has

1594
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: Bin's night? Why has cheese become a luxury item? But

1595
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Speaker 2: as a member of MAZ, the New Zealand grown member

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Speaker 2: owned mutual, you can rest easy because MAS is an

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Speaker 2: overthinking to rest for over one hundred years, and this year,

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Speaker 2: for the ninth year in a row, MAZ members have

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Speaker 3: Heather duplusy Allen I Heather.

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Speaker 2: In addition to attracting the international foreign home buyers, the

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: fifth rules that you've previously discussed, the FAAF rules still

1612
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: outstanding putting foreigners off coming to New Zealand. Michael, thank

1613
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: you that those rules are the ones about how long

1614
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 2: you need to stay in the country or not stay

1615
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: in the country in order to avoid certain taxes and stuff.

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 2: It's all the shambles by the looks of things. Eighteen

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: past six Now there are fears that Finance Minister Nikola

1618
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: Willis might be opening a can of worms if she

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01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 2: lets young farmers withdraw their key we saver funds to

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01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 2: buy a farm. G Native Chraney is The Herald's Wellington

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Speaker 2: Business editor. Hey, you know, a hey, what's the problem?

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Speaker 25: Well, you know, if you say that you can dip

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01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 25: into your key we savor to buy a farm, then

1624
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 25: then where does it stop. Can you dip into your

1625
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 25: key we saver to buy a business, or to buy cryptocurrency,

1626
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 25: or to buy art or whatever else you think might

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01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,919
Speaker 25: help set you up for your retirement? I mean, arguably

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01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 25: already by allowing people to use the Kiwi sabor to

1629
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 25: buy a house a first home, you know that that

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,919
Speaker 25: is a controversial thing. But if you start allowing farms,

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01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 25: then then where does it stop?

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: So could we say, okay, I mean I agree with

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: the distinction that's being made here because I think when

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01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: you start getting into buying herds and flocks and stuff

1635
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 2: like that, then it's basically, why don't you buy your

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01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 2: first set of tools or your coffee shop or whatever.

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01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: But could you say a farm is like a house

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01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: because you can live on it.

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01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 25: Well, I guess you could. But then you'd say, well,

1640
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 25: if you want to live on the farm, then you

1641
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 25: could use the exemption that exists which says you can

1642
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 25: use your KEYW saber to buy your first home.

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: So you can't live in that first home. You can't

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01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: live in it yet because you're living on somebody else's

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 2: farm and working that FuMB.

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Speaker 25: Well, you know that's true. I mean the other thing

1647
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 25: is like if I have to live in Wellington for

1648
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 25: my work, but I want to buy a house in Auckland,

1649
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 25: then then that's also a problem. Like if you need

1650
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 25: to be here for work but you want to buy

1651
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 25: your house there, then you know, then that's a problem.

1652
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 25: So that's that's just how it works under the rules.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder if is that potentially the thing that

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01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 2: needs to be eased up a little bit, that you

1656
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 2: can live wherever you want, but your first home, wherever

1657
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 2: it is, you're able to use key we say before.

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01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 25: You know, look, as someone in that generation that has

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 25: struggled to get into property. You know, it's it's kind

1660
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 25: of galling when they put these rules around things. But

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 25: I think the concern is is that if you allow

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 25: people to buy houses they don't live in, then that's

1663
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 25: an investment property. And and you know, do we want

1664
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 25: to be encouraging people to use their KEB savers for

1665
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 25: investment property or do we want to help them use

1666
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 25: their QB savers just to put a roof over their heads.

1667
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 25: But I think this is the exact sort of debate.

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 25: You know, that would that the first time exemption has created,

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 25: but if you extend it, then it just sort of

1670
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 25: exacerbates that debate. Now that you know that there might

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01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 25: be good merit and you know, the farmers would say,

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 25: we're actually it's much better for us to invest in

1673
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 25: a farm than have our money tied up in the

1674
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 25: share market, you know, supporting American companies. That might be true,

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01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 25: But the issue is here that that if you if

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 25: you tinker with KEI, we save it, which is is

1677
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 25: meant to be a really stable scheme. You know, it

1678
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 25: has to be stable because we're investing it in the

1679
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 25: long term. If you tinker with it too much, people

1680
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 25: stop trusting it and if they stop trusting it, they

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01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 25: don't want to invest through it. So I think that's

1682
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 25: kind of one of the most compelling arguments that people

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01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 25: who don't like this idea have made.

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01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you, Jane, I really appreciate it. Janetib Trainy,

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Speaker 2: The Herald's Wellington Business Editor, six twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1687
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass

1688
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: Insurance and investment, Grow your Wealth, Protect your future, the

1689
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: news talks that listen.

1690
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit obsessed with with education at the

1691
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: moment because obviously I think this happens to many young

1692
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 2: new parents because my kids are going to start going

1693
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: through the education system in a couple of years time.

1694
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with them getting this right. So we're going

1695
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 2: to talk to Sir Nick Gibb, who is the former

1696
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: UK Schools Minister who turned around what they able to

1697
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 2: do all the same kind of nonsense we are at

1698
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: the moment, and he did the same stuff that Erica

1699
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: Stanford's doing, So we'll talk to him about the results

1700
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: that they saw. He'll be with us after half past

1701
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: at six twenty four. Now it was a strong day

1702
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: for Fletcher building on the ends at X company announced

1703
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: it's been fielding a bit of interest for some of

1704
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: its businesses. Sam Trith that we have Milford Asset Managements

1705
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: with us to talk us through a day Sam good

1706
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: evening header. So what do you make of the announcement?

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01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 23: Yess It certainly has been a big day for the

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01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 23: Fletcher share price today after the news that it had

1710
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 23: received that ongoing inbound inquiry from interested parties for some

1711
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 23: of it's businesses, so the market took it as a

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 23: clear positive sign. The background to this is that the

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Speaker 23: new CEO, Andrew Reading, who started in September last year

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01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 23: and has been essentially tasked with turning the business around,

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01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 23: has been undertaking a review of Fittcher's division since his appointment,

1716
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 23: reviewing what makes sense going forward and what is non

1717
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 23: core and could be divested or sold off. The first

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01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 23: outcome of this last month was announced when the company said, look,

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01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 23: we're going to move some of our problematic Australian divisions

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01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 23: into integrate them into the appropriate New Zealand businesses. But

1721
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 23: the strategic review, essentially for many listed companies, is about

1722
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 23: really putting up a for sale sign for parts of

1723
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 23: his business. And Andrew has been pretty cautious on his

1724
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 23: comments about what the outcomes could be. But today to here,

1725
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 23: look they're receiving ongoing in particular inquiry employing just not

1726
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 23: one or two buyers, but a good level of interest.

1727
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 23: I think really was liked by the market and there's

1728
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 23: a signal that there is more to come. There's deals

1729
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 23: to be done here.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think the shareholders are expecting as

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01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,839
Speaker 2: outcomes from both a review and also the potential sales.

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Speaker 23: So the shareholders are set to receive an update in

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01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 23: two weeks time, and I think at the high level

1734
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 23: most want to see the business really refoukocus on its core,

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01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 23: so where the profit has been driven Australia historically in

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01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 23: New Zealand, building products and in distribution. And there's some

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01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 23: very strong, well positioned businesses within those division divisions, of

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Speaker 23: which is so the likes of Winstone, wall words, pigbacks.

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01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 8: Et cetera.

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Speaker 23: Then remove the distractions, so these are the businesses that

1741
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 23: really are for sale, the Australian divisions which have little

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 23: or no contribution to the group in terms of synergies

1743
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 23: and or profitability, and then get rid of some of

1744
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 23: the lower margin risky divisions like that construction piece. So

1745
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 23: it was interesting today to actually see buyer interests called

1746
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 23: out for that construction division specifically within the release. So

1747
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 23: it does have it that that division does have a

1748
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 23: reasonable pipeline of roading and infrastructure work ahead. And I

1749
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 23: know how much you like a road cone headed, but

1750
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 23: it has been a clear source of clear loss of

1751
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 23: losses and as in the courts with SkyCity at the

1752
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 23: moment for that lawsuit read the convention center fire. So

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 23: wait for that update in two weeks that what's the market,

1754
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 23: that is what the market's looking for, and anything along

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 23: those lines I think will be well received.

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01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, obviously it's been it's been a business

1757
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: that I think we could say has been is fairly beleagued.

1758
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: How do you how hard do you think this task

1759
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 2: is going to be to execute this turnaround?

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01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 23: Not straightforward and short, and I think it will take time.

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01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 23: So the challenge for Andrew men as management team really

1762
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 23: is to manage that that conflict they have around the

1763
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 23: desire to exit and sell off the business divisions and

1764
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 23: get get on with life essentially versus keeping the buyers

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01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 23: honest and make them pay a fair and reasonable price.

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01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 23: You know, when you do put that for sale, sign

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01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 23: up through a strategic review, I think often by pricing

1768
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 23: expectations and naturally fall, so they'll be out there having

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01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 23: trying trying to have those conversations convinced buyers that you

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01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 23: know that they are not desperate sellers, that they're more

1771
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 23: opportunistic at times. And on top of that, really I

1772
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 23: think the economic conditions which we've all been dealing with

1773
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 23: make the conversation not as easy in terms of the

1774
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 23: profitability just depressed for many of these divisions that will

1775
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 23: be up up for grabs. So like the opportunity is there,

1776
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 23: the trade off which the management team really facing is

1777
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 23: do do something now and potentially cheaper. We'll hold on

1778
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 23: for a couple of years and wait for those economic

1779
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 23: conditions to improve and try and get that better price.

1780
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Speaker 2: Sam, good to talk to you as always. Thank you, mate,

1781
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: Sam for three of Milford Asset Management. Listen. Woman had

1782
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 2: who jag stolen in the UK cops wouldn't do anything

1783
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: about it. I'll tell you that story because it's very

1784
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 2: similar to what's going on in usual. I'll tell you

1785
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 2: that story shortly headlines next.

1786
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Speaker 3: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

1787
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Speaker 3: with Heather Duplicy Ellen and.

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1789
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1790
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Speaker 11: You were mine when I'm dreaming.

1791
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Speaker 21: You're proud to Kevin Gray with.

1792
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Us in ten minutes time. Talk us through that Austrian shooting. Heather.

1793
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: I love your show, listen to it each night before dinner.

1794
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 2: I haven't commented for a while, but felt compelled to

1795
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: after listening to the Aussie Luxury property guy. Thank god

1796
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: we have limits on foreign property buyers and investors because

1797
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: I lived in Sydney for ten years working in construction

1798
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: and was on a weekly basis horrified at their standards,

1799
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: especially multi story buildings. Twenty four away from seven now,

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Speaker 2: the Education Minister, Erica Stanford has called on some advice

1801
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: on her massive educational reforms former UK Minister of Schools.

1802
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: The former UK Minister of Schools is a man called

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01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: Sir Nick Gibb. He led similar charges in the changes

1804
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: in the twenty ten with huge impact on reading in

1805
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: math skills, and just fifteen years ago the UK was

1806
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the OECD's PISA rankings. Fast forward

1807
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 2: to today, they're now sitting fourth in the world for reading,

1808
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 2: an eleventh for mats. Let's have a chat to sir

1809
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: Nick Gibb Nick, Hello, Hello. How did you turn those

1810
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:48,440
Speaker 2: rankings around.

1811
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Speaker 12: By engaging in the sort of reforms that Erica Stamford

1812
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 12: is implementing in New Zealand. So we introduced structural structured literacy,

1813
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 12: which we call phonics in England, making sure children are

1814
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 12: taught the sounds of the alphabet and how to blend

1815
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 12: them into words. As opposed to the previous method we

1816
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 12: had in England, whole language and so on. It really

1817
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 12: wasn't working for too many children. So we implemented that.

1818
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 12: We look to the to East Asia, see how maths

1819
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 12: was taught the people at the top of the league tables,

1820
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 12: and we basically copied and learned from those countries. We

1821
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 12: brought that method into England. That's why we have risen

1822
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 12: in terms of reading and in terms of maths as well.

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01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 2: Is it going to say it's going back to the

1824
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 2: way that you or I might have learned to read

1825
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: and do mets.

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Speaker 12: Yes, But on top of that there's been some huge

1827
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 12: advance advances in colative science, so we know a lot

1828
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 12: more now about how children learn, and we've based a

1829
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 12: lot of our reforms on that new science, scientific research,

1830
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 12: so the importance of knowledge now has been demonstrated to

1831
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 12: show that by having a curriculum that's knowledge rich, children

1832
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 12: have acquired skills such as problem solving and creativity and

1833
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 12: critical thinking in a much better way than previously educationists

1834
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 12: have thought. And I've been visiting schools today with the

1835
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 12: Education Minister and seen some of the effects of those

1836
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 12: reforms in schools. So children are learning to read here

1837
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 12: better than before, and the approach to math is far

1838
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 12: more effective than previous methods. And we've seen in our

1839
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 12: country how affective first methods are.

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Speaker 6: Nick.

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Speaker 2: What advice are you actually providing here?

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Speaker 8: Oka?

1843
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me she already kind of

1844
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: knows what she needs to do, doesn't she?

1845
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 12: She absolutely does. When I first saw her speak in

1846
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 12: London and realized this is a minister that really knows

1847
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 12: what she wants to do, which is essentially a closed

1848
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 12: attainment gap between those children disadvanced backgrounds and to make

1849
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 12: sure that New Zealand is rising in those international details.

1850
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 12: And that was my worry in England that we were

1851
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 12: falling before twenty ten in those league tables, and that's

1852
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 12: where we engage in a very significant series of reforms

1853
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 12: in England. And now, as you said in your introduction,

1854
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 12: we're now rising in those league tables. We're fought in

1855
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 12: reading and eleven in maths in the world. Erica and

1856
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 12: I have known each other for a couple of years now,

1857
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 12: and what I've been able to do is to talk

1858
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 12: about what worked with our reforms, but also the things

1859
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 12: that did not go well, so that you know, Erica,

1860
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 12: in implementing her reforms in this country doesn't need to

1861
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 12: make the same mistakes that we made, such as what.

1862
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 8: Well the pace of.

1863
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,839
Speaker 12: Reform, the compromises that you have to make in introducing reforms.

1864
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 12: Those are the kind of mistakes, if you could argue,

1865
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 12: that we made in England, and there's no need for

1866
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 12: similar mistakes to be made when reforming in this country.

1867
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 12: And now people are coming to New Zealand to look

1868
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 12: at the reforms happening in this country. So the reforms

1869
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 12: that are being implemented here are world leading and I

1870
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 12: think you're going to have a very successful education system

1871
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 12: in the years to come.

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01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: Do you feel that you did it too fast or

1873
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: too slow?

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 12: We were learning I was the minister for ten years,

1875
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 12: and we engage in a very expensive series of reforms,

1876
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 12: not just a math in English, but the whole curriculum

1877
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 12: to our qualifications. We change the structure of our school

1878
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 12: system as well. So there was a very very extensive

1879
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 12: system of reform. But unless we had gone at pace,

1880
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 12: and unless those reforms had been as extensive as they

1881
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 12: had been, we would not have seen big shoes improvements

1882
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 12: in schools in our country. And you go to any

1883
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 12: school now in England and you'll see very effective teaching

1884
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 12: of reading using phonics. You'll see children really understanding the

1885
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 12: mathematics that they have been taught, and you'll meet children

1886
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 12: who really know a lot about the cultural and history

1887
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 12: of our country and who are deeply immersed in science.

1888
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,839
Speaker 12: And that wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been introducing

1889
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 12: those reforms at pace.

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01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 2: No, how on Earth, And this is a question I

1891
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: have been asking on the show lately, because we have

1892
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: been basically we're undoing a lot of the stupid stuff

1893
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: that's been done by an education department in the last

1894
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: fifty years or so. But how on if did we

1895
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: go down this path where we had a perfectly good

1896
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: way of teaching reading, for example, we just screwed it up.

1897
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 5: Well.

1898
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 12: Lots of the reforms sound very compelling and they sound

1899
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 12: superficially attractive. Teaching a competence spaceed criculum sounds very modern

1900
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 12: and scientific, but actually the evidence that it just doesn't work.

1901
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 12: And I think people were taken in by by the

1902
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 12: attractiveness of those arguments. But what we now know, we

1903
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 12: know a lot more about how children learn about cognitive

1904
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 12: science and we need to make sure that our curriculum,

1905
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 12: that our teaching methods, our structure of assessment reflects the

1906
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 12: latest scientific knowledge. And that's what we have introduced in

1907
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 12: England and what Erica Stanford is introducing in New Zealand.

1908
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 12: So some of it does sound very very traditional, but

1909
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 12: actually it is based on a modern understanding of the

1910
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 12: qualitive science.

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Speaker 2: Neck It's been very very good to talk to you.

1912
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. That soon that Gibb former

1913
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: UK Minister of Schools. So in New Zealand if you

1914
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 2: call you'll know this. In New Zealand, if you call

1915
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: the cops and say, hey, and my bike has been

1916
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: nicked and I I need your help finding it, no

1917
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: hope in hell, right, no hope in hell. They've got

1918
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Speaker 2: more important things to do, actual real life crime. Your

1919
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 2: bike has gone. Same thing is happening in the UK.

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Speaker 2: They have the same problem. They just have far too

1921
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: much crime and far too few cops to be able

1922
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 2: to deal with it. This one woman has spoken to

1923
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 2: the Telegraph about what happened to her and what she did.

1924
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 2: She actually had her jag stolen. It was a Newish

1925
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Speaker 2: Actually I can't remember what the jag was. Oh epace.

1926
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Speaker 2: It was an epace. It's a very nice looking jag,

1927
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: modern jag. It was outside the house. Work up the

1928
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: next morning when not there thought the husband had taken No,

1929
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Speaker 2: he hadn't.

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Speaker 10: It hadn't.

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Speaker 2: What they did, what they realized is they had an

1932
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Speaker 2: air tag and maybe this is a good thing to

1933
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Speaker 2: put in the car. They had an ear tag in

1934
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Speaker 2: the jag and they thought, what are the chances if

1935
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Speaker 2: we turn just go have a look. Sure enough there's

1936
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Speaker 2: the air tag lights up. They now know where the

1937
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Speaker 2: car is. The car is three miles down the road,

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Speaker 2: not far at all from their house, because they're in

1939
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Speaker 2: brook Green and this house is This car is now

1940
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Speaker 2: parked in Chiswick. So the wife and the husband get in.

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Speaker 2: They've got another car. They got a v dub Polar.

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Speaker 2: They're getting that. They drive down right. They call the

1943
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Speaker 2: cops on the way. They say, what are we going

1944
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Speaker 2: to do? The cops say, no, we're too busy, you know,

1945
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Speaker 2: We'll send a patrol car. Thanks for telling us where

1946
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Speaker 2: it is. We'll send a patrol car if we can,

1947
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Speaker 2: but we're just we can't at the moment. So they

1948
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Speaker 2: go to see if the car is, if they can

1949
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Speaker 2: bring the car back themselves. They get there inside outside

1950
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Speaker 2: completely untouched, inside, bit of a mess, ripped up carpets,

1951
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Speaker 2: air vents, torn apart. Someone had tried to bypass the

1952
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Speaker 2: immobilizer that they had on the carpet. It failed. As

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Speaker 2: a result, the cars now locked. They've got the keys

1954
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Speaker 2: in their hands, but they can't get into their own

1955
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Carbo cars lock, so they call a tow truck company.

1956
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Speaker 2: Tow truck company brings the car back. Problem sorted. But

1957
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Speaker 2: what does that tell you? You can't rely on the

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Speaker 2: police to get your stuff back and whatever they did,

1959
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is the UK we're talking about,

1960
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Speaker 2: not New Zealand. But the same thing will happen here

1961
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Speaker 2: at some point. So you've got to figure out how

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Speaker 2: you're going to get your own stuff back. So if

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Speaker 2: you've got something valuable like a car or a bike

1964
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Speaker 2: or a child, maybe stick an air tag on it.

1965
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Speaker 2: Then you can track it down and go get it

1966
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Speaker 2: yourself off the bad guys later on sixteen where seven.

1967
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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1968
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather, the duplic, Ellen and Mayors,

1969
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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1970
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Speaker 3: News dogs d be hither.

1971
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm cooking dinner. I'm resting my utensils on a sucepan.

1972
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 2: I need the smeg utensil rest good from you carry

1973
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 2: I love it, you know, Laura and I've pulled out

1974
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 2: of this plan the way. We're just going to go

1975
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Speaker 2: with the old standard, old plate sideplate that you've got

1976
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 2: in your draw already. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray,

1977
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Speaker 2: UK correspondents. Will I say, Kevin, Hi, there have that right?

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Speaker 2: So Austria, I've got three days of national mourning.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, yes, it's begun after a very emotional raw night

1980
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Speaker 26: as well. In the second largest city in Austria called

1981
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 26: Gratz yesterday, it was the scene of a shooting in

1982
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 26: which ten people were killed and the suspect themselves then

1983
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 26: killed themselves in the school toilets, and the area really

1984
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 26: completely devastated by this Austrian nomally and extremely peaceful city.

1985
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Speaker 26: So the three days of National Morning has begun and

1986
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 26: in another hour and ten minutes the minute silence will

1987
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 26: fall across the nation as well, marking twenty four hours

1988
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 26: on from the moment that the killing started at this school.

1989
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Speaker 26: The motive still remains unknown. There's a report that the

1990
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 26: attacker left a note at his home, but we haven't

1991
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 26: had the details of that yet. We do still know

1992
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Speaker 26: that it looks like there are eleven people still in

1993
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Speaker 26: the hospital, some of them critically injured, so concerned for

1994
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Speaker 26: them of course, and a big appeal for blood within

1995
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Speaker 26: that city as well for the hospitals running short of that.

1996
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Speaker 26: Plus in the main square of vigil overnight of candles.

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01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 26: They have all gathered from around the city there right

1998
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Speaker 26: through the night to basically show their support for those

1999
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Speaker 26: who have been affected by this and to remember those

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01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 26: who have died.

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01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 2: Now tell me about what's going on with these UK

2002
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: Foreign Office staff who raised concerns.

2003
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Speaker 26: Yes, so an open well, not an open letter. It

2004
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Speaker 26: was a letter written by staff roughly three hundred Foreign

2005
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 26: Office staff and sent to the Foreign Secretary, and it

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Speaker 26: basically said they called there was a quote stark disregard

2007
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Speaker 26: for international law by Israel with their conduct in Gaza,

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Speaker 26: and they said they also profoundly disagreed with government policy.

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Speaker 26: And then the Foreign officer shot back saying, well, if

2010
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Speaker 26: you do profoundly disagree, then you can always resign. The

2011
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 26: Foreign Office says it's got systems in place for staff

2012
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Speaker 26: to raise concerns and that the government had quote rigorously

2013
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 26: applied international law in relation.

2014
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Speaker 3: To the war in Gaza.

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Speaker 26: This government coming under a lot of pressure both from

2016
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Speaker 26: ordinary people but from within as well, saying look, are

2017
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Speaker 26: we actually complying legally with what we're meant to be

2018
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 26: doing here? And also just shouldn't we be condemning Israel

2019
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 26: more than we are. There were sanctions announced yesterday on

2020
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 26: two ministers in the Israeli government, but something that's just

2021
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 26: not enough. We can't stand by and see the scenes

2022
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 26: that we're seeing on our news nightly in Gaza for

2023
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 26: this to carry on. But this is quite a start

2024
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 26: warning to those several servants, particularly at a time when

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01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 26: they're already being warned that they could really be slimmed

2026
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 26: down in numbers under the government's drive for efficiency.

2027
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Speaker 2: Tell your Whatgevin Laura of the German is very very

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01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: excited about the trains running from London to Germany.

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Speaker 26: Are you yes, this is a really good service that

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Speaker 26: I'm hoping will come in already. Of course, we do

2031
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 26: have our regular trains that run under the English Channel

2032
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:38,520
Speaker 26: from London and we connect to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam,

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01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 26: and they even go to the French Alps in the

2034
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:45,799
Speaker 26: ski season. But two new routes have been announced into

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01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 26: Germany and Switzerland. The travel time between London and Frankfurt

2036
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 26: will be about five hours and five hours twenty to

2037
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Speaker 26: go to Geneva, and there are questions over the expansion.

2038
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Speaker 26: The firm does need to make sure it's got enough

2039
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,560
Speaker 26: space for more trains stepot in East London, but the

2040
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 26: boss of Eurostar saying there's strong demand for train travel

2041
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 26: across Europe despite higher operational costs and infleation squeezing customer budgets.

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Speaker 26: One other fact that he didn't mention there is it's

2043
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 26: often actually cheaper now to get on a flight than

2044
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 26: it is to go for short hauled train journeys. But

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01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 26: that is something which perhaps over time with the increase

2046
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 26: in oil, might change as well. Nevertheless, there are hopes

2047
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 26: to get these new train lines up and running by

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Speaker 26: the early twenty thirties.

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Speaker 2: Hey cool, Thank you very much, Kevin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK, corresponding, Hither,

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Speaker 2: I had all of my tools stolen from a site

2051
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 2: during COVID. So I went to the local tool market

2052
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 2: on the first day that it was open after lockdown

2053
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 2: and I found all of my tools. The cops could

2054
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 2: not attend, so I started removing my own stuff. It

2055
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 2: escalated to violence, and the cops still didn't want to attend.

2056
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 2: Jay's nine Away from seven.

2057
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Speaker 3: It's the Heather too per.

2058
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Speaker 2: Hither, we put an air tag on my eighty two

2061
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 2: year old mother in law when she went to Vietnam

2062
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 2: on holiday. It worked like a charm to keep the

2063
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: tabs on her pieces. Not a bad idea, I reckon.

2064
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,520
Speaker 2: The old ear tags are a solution to a gazillion

2065
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 2: different problems. Don't you think like a toddler. Well, I'm

2066
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: not a toddler, I mean a toddler. Gez, youve gotta

2067
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 2: have eyes on them all the time. But if you don't,

2068
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 2: if you don't have eyes on them and you're relying

2069
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 2: on a near tag, you're in trouble. But a teenager,

2070
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean, goes out for a night,

2071
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 2: what what ants?

2072
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 24: My mum would have loved to be able to put

2073
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 24: an air tag on me when I was a teenager?

2074
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, would that have been a bad thing?

2075
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 10: That would terrible?

2076
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 2: Where would you have gone that she didn't know you?

2077
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Speaker 24: It's not the point, you know, you need your privacy

2078
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 24: when you're a teenager. Your parents can't be, you know,

2079
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 24: hovering over your shoulder like a hawk the entire time.

2080
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 24: That's not it's not a healthy fanily, and I can't

2081
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 24: see what you're doing, and they can't hear you. They

2082
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 24: just know that you're, you know, at blah Blah's house. Well,

2083
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 24: I mean, imagine if you catch a different bus home, right,

2084
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 24: You're like, okay, actually the bus, the bus to Glenfield

2085
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 24: and home is going to be slightly faster than you

2086
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 24: get home. And Mum's going to be like, why are

2087
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 24: you in Glenfield? Why you come straight back from Takaperna,

2088
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 24: What are you doing out there? Who lives in Glenfield.

2089
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 2: Heart out would have done that. My mom has tracking

2090
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 2: on my phone. Now I'm forty one and she has

2091
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 2: tracking on my phone and sometimes she calls me. She goes,

2092
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 2: what's the parking like there? And You're like, oh my gosh,

2093
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 2: leave me alone watching it.

2094
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, I think given the technological level back in

2095
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 24: the day when I was younger, my mom managed to

2096
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 24: keep very good tabs on me anyway, So I dreamed

2097
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 24: to think what she'd be able.

2098
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 6: To do with it now.

2099
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 2: Brad Olson. I heard Mike this morning talking about Brad

2100
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 2: Awlson because apparently Brad turned up at the Field Days

2101
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 2: today at six thirty cheers. I mean, man, that guy

2102
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 2: thirsty for fun.

2103
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 18: He was.

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Speaker 2: He was one of the first people I saw at

2105
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 2: the Radio Woods the other night.

2106
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 3: I was like, what are you doing?

2107
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still It turns out he's a judge for

2108
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 2: the Radio Awards. Who knew also? Then Laura tells me,

2109
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: did you know that he's a JP? He's a Justice

2110
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 2: of the Peace and sometimes he does court duty. So

2111
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 2: there over Christmas there was one weekend where he needed

2112
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 2: to help them clear the backlog. So Brad just turned up.

2113
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Speaker 2: Imagine if you go to court. I mean, I don't

2114
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 2: think that a criminal knows who Brad is.

2115
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Speaker 11: Do you?

2116
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 2: Probably not? But imagine if you did, And imagine if you're, like,

2117
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 2: you got yourself in trouble for something minor, like a

2118
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 2: little bit of drink driving or something like that, but

2119
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 2: of a speed and I don't know whatever, and you

2120
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 2: turn up in Brad's there as your JP, your magistrate

2121
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 2: presiding over your case. How listen, how does this guy

2122
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: just confounds me? How does he have time and energy

2123
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 2: for all of this stuff? He is honestly a miracle,

2124
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 2: isn't he. He's a miracle alive in our time. He

2125
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:23,839
Speaker 2: is like Jesus.

2126
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Speaker 24: And those are all hard jobs as well, right, like

2127
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 24: being like a judge and like an economist and being

2128
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 24: able to not just like baby sitting. Yeah, he's not

2129
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 24: just working at macis or something. It's not that those

2130
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 24: jobs aren't hard as well. I suppose Type Dangerous by

2131
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 24: Mariah carried a players out tonight. This is a new

2132
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 24: one from her. It is off her upcoming sixteenth album,

2133
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 24: and then it's good news out today that that's not

2134
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 24: going to be her last one, the number sixteen. She

2135
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 24: has signed a multi album deal with the record label Gamma,

2136
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 24: which are also Usher and Snoop dog As signed to

2137
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 24: that label as well, so it's like she's going to

2138
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 24: be doing a few things coming up.

2139
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Speaker 8: Good for her.

2140
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 2: Ah, there we go, like Brad, lots of energy, see

2141
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 2: you tomorrow.

2142
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Speaker 8: Danger.

2143
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 18: Bye, well get danger, danger, Danger, and.

2144
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 25: I want to serve me.

2145
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 9: I want to.

2146
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 20: Be afraid.

2147
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 8: I've never been afraid of you.

2148
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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to

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Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.