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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Two golds and a silver. She'll join us to reflect

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Speaker 2: with a few weeks of hindsight the White Ferns. Wasn't

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Speaker 2: it great to wake up this morning and here that

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Speaker 2: the White Ferns have snapped a ten game losing streak

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Speaker 2: In t twenty a fifty eight run went over India

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Speaker 2: and their opening World Cup game in the UAE. Frankie

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Speaker 2: mccai going to break it down for us after two.

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Speaker 2: Also over night, Tim New Zealand found out that their

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Speaker 2: challenger for the thirty seventh America's Cup in Barcelona will

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Speaker 2: and every month or so we get the benefit of

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Speaker 2: the wisdom of coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith. He's going to

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Speaker 2: chat to us this afternoon about end of season reviews

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Speaker 2: and the best way to do them. Adam Peacock out

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Speaker 2: of Australia in this regular slot from across the Tasman

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Speaker 2: two Live Sport this afternoon, lots of it. Fara Parma

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Speaker 2: Cup Premiership Final wake up, so heavily favored to beat

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Speaker 2: Canterbury twelve thirty five in Hamilton. We'll keep eyes on

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Speaker 2: that for you. Budding's MPC final round robin matches one

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Speaker 2: or two counties. As I mentioned Parmeerston North Counties need

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Speaker 2: Manawa two just looking to end their season on a high.

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Speaker 2: Southland North Harbor and in the Cargo same time. Both

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Speaker 2: of these games kick off at five past two. Harbor

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Speaker 2: play in the quarter finals. The Stags are out of

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Speaker 2: contention Harland Championship. The final round robin matches before we

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Speaker 2: find our top four for the Meads Cup and then

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Speaker 2: the next four for the Lahore Cup. We've got games

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

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Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason five Call.

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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. The Black Cabs have a new Test

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Speaker 2: cricket captain getting away towards the boundary. It may go

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Speaker 2: for fourth the Test century. One hundred of one hundred.

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Speaker 3: And sixty seventies delighted selects the New Zealand players in

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Speaker 2: Tom Latham is one hundred, having skippered New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: nine previous Test matches. Tom Latham will assume the role

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Speaker 2: which follows. Tom Latham is with us congratulations on the appointment. Tom.

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Speaker 2: How did the captaincy change play out?

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Speaker 2: Did you know a change was in the win?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't know. I guess, as I said, it's

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Speaker 2: Is there something you've aspired to?

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Speaker 4: As I said, I've done nine test matches in the

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Speaker 2: Did you want the job when came Williamson stepped down

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was again a different situation and I'd decided

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Speaker 2: Went to me and Obviously, tim has been a part

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, no awkwardness at all. HAVE been in touch with

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Speaker 2: So, as we've both mentioned, you've done the job previo

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Speaker 2: So you don't feel any need to stamp your mark

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say straight away. I certainly don't want to

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Speaker 4: And you know, we're the test how we do a

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Speaker 2: How important a part of Test captaincy is team selection,

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Speaker 4: Obviously in all formats it's it's important thing if you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll the results didn't quite go our way. I

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Speaker 2: When you find yourself in a situation like that the

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Speaker 7: This morning afternoon Piney, How are you, mate, Mike Green

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Speaker 2: basin last summer. He got ten from eight, you.

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Speaker 11: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And in meantime, here's us not playing a spinner. I

435
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Speaker 2: don't think we played a spinner in that first Test.

436
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to check revenderra bowl seven overs. Glenn

437
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Speaker 2: Phillip's got member. Glenn Phillips got five for in the

438
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Speaker 2: second innings, remember that at the basin and he accidental

439
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Speaker 2: test spinner. So you're so right, and that that stat

440
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Speaker 2: about a jazz is just so glaring. What do they

441
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Speaker 2: say if it seems it spins?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, And it's just you know, we saw the

443
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Speaker 7: cat to see change is going to come. But I

444
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Speaker 7: just think there's a lot that rides on Gary Steak here.

445
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Speaker 7: How they cannot just cop all the blame the Gary

446
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Speaker 7: Steed and his conservative approach is what's costing up games.

447
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Speaker 7: We've picked a spinner and any Test we played because

448
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Speaker 7: you go look at Australia. England's trying to do it

449
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Speaker 7: because they've won a points of difference. But I know

450
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Speaker 7: no doubt when we come out here we'll have spoke

451
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Speaker 7: well but four seamers and we'll have lem Philips. I mean, honestly,

452
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Speaker 7: change mat so frustrating. I've got the migrant coming back now.

453
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Speaker 2: We've we've got to draw a line under this particular

454
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Speaker 2: conversation made again, shed again. When the Indian Test roll around,

455
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Speaker 2: I look forward to it.

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Speaker 7: With the lack of preparation finding I don't know. As

457
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Speaker 7: Ian Smith said he's going to be going over here

458
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Speaker 7: with last half and I think.

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Speaker 2: That's all right. Make good the chat has always appreciate

460
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Speaker 2: your cool. It's chet again in a couple of weeks

461
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Speaker 2: or so. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty's own number, Hello, Chris,

462
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 8: Again, Jason. Look this this this handing by Naheman Crecket

464
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Speaker 8: of the captaincy that you're discussing at the moment. This

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Speaker 8: dates back to twenty twenty two. I remember watching that

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Speaker 8: press conference when when when when they stood King Williamson

467
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Speaker 8: down Now he's.

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Speaker 2: Still he's still down voluntarily. Just won't make that clear.

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Speaker 8: Are you are you sure about that?

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Speaker 2: Came Williamson. Yeah, he relinquished the Test captaincy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, when he looked at it, perplexed anyway, Okay, fair enough?

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Speaker 8: And so I agree with Simon all the time. He said,

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Speaker 8: it's more it's kin Williamson needs to be playing Test

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Speaker 8: cricket for New Zealand till he's forty hopefully. And the

475
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Speaker 8: thing that the thing is it should have been Laysam.

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Speaker 8: Then I'm not a big Layson fan because I think

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Speaker 8: he's he's a great bloke, good good opening Test. But

478
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Speaker 8: he's not a Christive captain. He's very very conservative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I would say that, Yes, I would say that's fair.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: But who else would you? I mean who else would you?

483
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Speaker 8: But the problem was who else in that team could

484
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Speaker 8: could take the take the reins Conway, who's had first

485
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Speaker 8: class Test, who's had first class captaincy experience? Jason out

486
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Speaker 8: of say Conway and Mitchell And have they done it?

487
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Speaker 2: I don't, not not for a long not not for

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Speaker 2: a prolonged period Chris, you work your way down Conway,

489
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Speaker 2: no Mitchell, no Phillips, no Blundell, no Santna a little

490
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Speaker 2: bit maybe, and then you're getting into the Bowlders, where

491
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Speaker 2: once again you're fraught with difficulty around selection, et cetera.

492
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Speaker 2: So it's really lath them or nobody at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I think Glenn Phillips moving forward would be a very

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Speaker 2: good choice because he's got a bit about him, a

495
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Speaker 2: bit of innovation, a bit of you know, up in

496
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Speaker 2: your grill type mentality. I think he's he reminds me

497
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Speaker 2: a little bit of Brendan mcallum in that way. I

498
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Speaker 2: think Glen Phillips would be a really good choice moving forward.

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Speaker 8: They're there because he's only twenty six and he's now

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Speaker 8: an established Test cricketer. I mean the only guy I say,

501
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Speaker 8: you said, you know, bobbles don't make good Test captains. Well,

502
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Speaker 8: the difference there is Pat Cummins. But look at the

503
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Speaker 8: Armory Comers has got batsman and bowlders. Anyone could captain

504
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Speaker 8: that team well.

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Speaker 2: I think also he has justified his place because he

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Speaker 2: continues to perform, and that's I think the issue here,

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Speaker 2: Chris is that because Tim Sowdy wasn't getting those wickets,

508
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Speaker 2: wasn't performing His place in the side immediately comes into question,

509
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Speaker 2: and you can't have that when you are the skipper

510
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Speaker 2: of the side. You have to always justify your place first.

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Speaker 2: This is the whole reason why Sam Kaine's been so

512
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Speaker 2: polarizing as All Blacks captain, because there was a wide

513
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Speaker 2: segment of the rugby public who didn't think he deserved

514
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Speaker 2: to be there in the first place, let alone be captain.

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Speaker 2: Whether that's true or not, that was the perception when

516
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Speaker 2: and cricket is so much more numbers based than rugby.

517
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Speaker 2: You can look at Tim Soudy's bowling figures and say, right, well,

518
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Speaker 2: here he is compared to Matt Henry. Anybody can see

519
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Speaker 2: that Matt Henry is a better bat all or at

520
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Speaker 2: the moment than Tim Saudi and Test cricket. And yet

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Speaker 2: Saudi's not going to be dropped because he's captain. You

522
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Speaker 2: shouldn't drop your captain. Your captain should never be dropped.

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Speaker 2: We need to take it back and say it was

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Speaker 2: the wrong decision in hindsight to appoint him captain. And

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Speaker 2: I give a lot of credit to Tim Soude for

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Speaker 2: realizing that, realizing that his performances haven't been up to

527
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Speaker 2: it recently and stepping aside from the captain c I

528
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Speaker 2: rate it. Thanks for your call, Chris Murray. Hi, very

529
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Speaker 2: good Murray.

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Speaker 11: How are you?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

532
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Speaker 2: Well, all right mate? Well just hold your phone a

533
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Speaker 2: bit closer to your mouth, mate, because I can't unless

534
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Speaker 2: you're not able to, because I can't quite got your

535
00:26:52,427 --> 00:26:54,467
Speaker 2: better there now mate. So all right, So well, good

536
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Speaker 2: that you can chat. Good that you can chat to

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Speaker 2: us and we can keep your company. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 6: Well, my coach junior cricket in my day, and I

539
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Speaker 6: think you did right. He shouldn't drop your captain and

540
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Speaker 6: I never did. All the captains I had, one of

541
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Speaker 6: them was meeting to him.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And you know you've got to sometimes you've got to

544
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Speaker 6: play defensive to get get a wicked or two. And

545
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Speaker 6: I as far as how he goes, I don't think

546
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Speaker 6: they'll select him go to India. I think they'll tell

547
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Speaker 6: him to get him get himself right for the green grass,

548
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Speaker 6: for the Oval and christ hut year. That's what I think.

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Speaker 2: So I hope they do nothing. That's my that's my hope.

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Speaker 2: I hope they do. I just don't think he's probably

551
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Speaker 2: he's probably not going to play in India, right, if

552
00:27:46,787 --> 00:27:50,547
Speaker 2: we're honest, he's probably not going to play. So yeah,

553
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Speaker 2: so so why put him through going? I mean, he's clear,

554
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Speaker 2: I don't know, he's always before he was captain, and

555
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Speaker 2: even while he's captain, he's a popular member of that

556
00:27:59,707 --> 00:28:02,827
Speaker 2: team and captains he just seems to have really weighed

557
00:28:02,907 --> 00:28:05,307
Speaker 2: on him, you know. He just doesn't seem to be

558
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Speaker 2: as carefree as he used to be. He had a

559
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Speaker 2: pretty good poker face, but inside that team environment when

560
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Speaker 2: he wasn't captain, he was very very popular with that

561
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Speaker 2: team and probably still is. So maybe you take him

562
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Speaker 2: in that regard, But I don't think he's going to

563
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Speaker 2: play over there, so I'd be leaving him back here

564
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Speaker 2: and getting him ready for England.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, And as far as Latham goes as captain,

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Speaker 6: he'd be my captain for a long long time. That's

567
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Speaker 6: That's that's where I see. It just becomes you come

568
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Speaker 6: because you come from Canterbury. But he's a very good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do tend to be very very it tend

570
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Speaker 2: to be very parochial down there, but we love that

571
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Speaker 2: about you.

572
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Speaker 8: Murray.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way watch two games.

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Speaker 6: We're getting to watch two games of Canterbury today on

575
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Speaker 6: the rugby and they're both playing my ketto dead the

576
00:28:52,947 --> 00:28:53,627
Speaker 6: haulsh aren't they?

577
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Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know whether Canterbury a favorite in

578
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Speaker 2: the women's final, Murray, I really don't think that.

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Speaker 9: I think that will be you reckon.

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Speaker 6: I think they went away from home. Yeah all right,

581
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Speaker 6: I kind of. I don't like betting against or or

582
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Speaker 6: beckon against the Red and Blades or the Black and White.

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Speaker 6: But here they game did night. It would be tough

584
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Speaker 6: live on Sky Open and I'll be watching it. I mean,

585
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Speaker 6: let me be good. May Red and Blakes weren't there too?

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Speaker 2: That all to you and to you was well, look,

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Speaker 2: I hope for your sake, Loo, I've got no skin

588
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Speaker 2: in either of those two games. I'm I'm from Wellington.

589
00:29:34,267 --> 00:29:36,747
Speaker 2: So if Canterbury were to beat White Otta in both

590
00:29:36,747 --> 00:29:39,227
Speaker 2: the Farah Parmer Cup final and the MPC later tonight,

591
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Speaker 2: then I'd be very happy with that, or I wouldn't

592
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Speaker 2: be unhappy with it. I probably feel what neutral about it,

593
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Speaker 2: but I hope for your sake that your red and

594
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Speaker 2: black sides can both get the job done. Good to

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Speaker 2: chat to you, mate, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

596
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Speaker 2: eighty nineteen away from one. Grant, George, please hold with

597
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Speaker 2: you after this one spear line if you would like

598
00:29:55,787 --> 00:29:58,027
Speaker 2: to jump aboard with back after this on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: The Tough Questions after the Weekend Sport with Jason Pine

600
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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunerholmes, New Zealand's Most.

601
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Speaker 2: Trusted home Builder sixteen to one, White cut to three

602
00:30:09,907 --> 00:30:11,947
Speaker 2: mill ahead of Canterbury in the Farer Pummer Cup Final

603
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Speaker 2: after five minutes and about to score their first try

604
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Speaker 2: to make it. No, they haven't quite got there. Now

605
00:30:18,307 --> 00:30:21,427
Speaker 2: they have got there. There you go eight nil with

606
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Speaker 2: the kick to come. So Murray you might need you

607
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Speaker 2: might need to come back from your Red and Blacks

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Speaker 2: eight meal kick to come six minutes gone in the

609
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Speaker 2: Fara Palma Cup final. Camera Reguards on the radio with

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Speaker 2: us after one o'clock. Grant, thanks for holding.

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Speaker 12: Yeah finally Yeah. Three years ago, I think most people

612
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Speaker 12: would probably agree that Latham should have been captain because

613
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Speaker 12: how these forms started to go down hill basically three

614
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Speaker 12: years ago when he was made captain, and then two

615
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Speaker 12: years ago his form was even worse than it was

616
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Speaker 12: three years ago. And last year on New Zealand's green wickets.

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Speaker 12: His form was absolutely diabolical. So I have to say

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Speaker 12: I wouldn't rate him even as the number four fast

619
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Speaker 12: bowler in New Zealand conditions on current form, and so

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Speaker 12: I don't think he should get a US Swan song.

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Speaker 12: I mean Scott Robertson said that Sam Caine wasn't pecked

622
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Speaker 12: on sentimentality. They get him through to one hundred, respected

623
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Speaker 12: because he was the best franker on form at the season.

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Speaker 12: And so I mean, I think there's one or two

625
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Speaker 12: provincial bowlers that possibly could be better than Southy. So

626
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Speaker 12: in my opinion, this would unless they bring him in, say,

627
00:31:35,427 --> 00:31:38,347
Speaker 12: give him some net sessions and he starts getting edges

628
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Speaker 12: and taking knocking stumps over and hiss Inland batsman at

629
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Speaker 12: net practice all over the place. I wouldn't pick him

630
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Speaker 12: against England.

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Speaker 2: Who are the provincial ballers who would perhaps be there

632
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Speaker 2: ahead of him.

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Speaker 12: I knew you would say that. I just said possibly,

634
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Speaker 12: I mean because this form is so bad. You know,

635
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Speaker 12: I don't know the exact figures of museum bowlers, but

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Speaker 12: well I have even started playing forget yet though possibly,

637
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Speaker 12: But I mean, with you honor his current form, the

638
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Speaker 12: last year, How could you justify picking him.

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Speaker 2: Not in Sri Lanka and India, absolutely not on in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand conditions. Okay, so let's say they go with

641
00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:26,067
Speaker 2: four seemers, which they probably will, as Rich and I

642
00:32:26,147 --> 00:32:27,947
Speaker 2: talked about before, And you may agree. I'd love to

643
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Speaker 2: see a spinner in there as well, but I don't

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00:32:29,427 --> 00:32:31,267
Speaker 2: think they will. I think they're too conservative in their

645
00:32:31,267 --> 00:32:33,107
Speaker 2: selections at home to go with a spinner. So I

646
00:32:33,147 --> 00:32:36,107
Speaker 2: think they go four seemers. So clearly Matt Henry is one,

647
00:32:36,347 --> 00:32:39,667
Speaker 2: Will O'Rourke is another, and then you're down to the

648
00:32:39,947 --> 00:32:42,867
Speaker 2: likes of Ben Sears, who's still very green quick, but

649
00:32:43,067 --> 00:32:45,587
Speaker 2: I probably still have him in there. Kyle Jamison, we

650
00:32:45,667 --> 00:32:48,547
Speaker 2: don't know if he's fit or not. He seems to

651
00:32:48,627 --> 00:32:52,547
Speaker 2: continue breaking things, which is a great shame. Neil Wagner's gone.

652
00:32:52,587 --> 00:32:55,027
Speaker 2: I don't think you put Scott Kougelin in there. Jacob

653
00:32:55,147 --> 00:32:58,067
Speaker 2: Duffy's probably the best one of the rest. I'd have

654
00:32:58,187 --> 00:32:59,147
Speaker 2: Soudi in their grant.

655
00:33:01,307 --> 00:33:04,067
Speaker 12: Would you agree that he would have to show good

656
00:33:04,227 --> 00:33:08,027
Speaker 12: form in the nets to justify a match day selection, Then.

657
00:33:08,107 --> 00:33:10,987
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, yeah, And I also and I also

658
00:33:11,027 --> 00:33:12,747
Speaker 2: think you don't say okay, I've got all three Tests.

659
00:33:12,787 --> 00:33:15,107
Speaker 2: I think he plays the first Test at Hagley. See

660
00:33:15,147 --> 00:33:16,867
Speaker 2: how he goes there, and if he bowls well there,

661
00:33:16,907 --> 00:33:19,787
Speaker 2: I think you keep him there. I'm unencumbered by the

662
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:25,187
Speaker 2: captain C. My deep hope is that Tim Saudi rediscovers

663
00:33:25,227 --> 00:33:26,947
Speaker 2: the form which has had him at the top of

664
00:33:27,027 --> 00:33:29,707
Speaker 2: the cricketing tree for large parts of the last five

665
00:33:29,787 --> 00:33:31,667
Speaker 2: or six years. Yes, in the last two or three

666
00:33:31,707 --> 00:33:33,507
Speaker 2: years since he took the captain C. And you have

667
00:33:33,587 --> 00:33:36,547
Speaker 2: to make the correlation. It hasn't been there. Jill and Clever,

668
00:33:36,667 --> 00:33:38,427
Speaker 2: our good friend who often joins us on the show,

669
00:33:38,507 --> 00:33:42,747
Speaker 2: talks about a three for three wickets in a Test innings.

670
00:33:42,827 --> 00:33:45,107
Speaker 2: It's being like a fifty for a batsman and a

671
00:33:45,187 --> 00:33:47,587
Speaker 2: five for us like a century. The last time Tim

672
00:33:47,667 --> 00:33:51,067
Speaker 2: Soudy took three wickets in a Test innings was in

673
00:33:51,187 --> 00:33:53,267
Speaker 2: March of twenty twenty three, so we took an eighteen

674
00:33:53,347 --> 00:33:57,787
Speaker 2: months ago and there's been the best part of seven

675
00:33:57,867 --> 00:33:59,867
Speaker 2: or eight Test matches since that. The last time they

676
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,507
Speaker 2: took a five for was in that same series. It

677
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:04,987
Speaker 2: was he had just taken over as captain then, so

678
00:34:05,507 --> 00:34:07,907
Speaker 2: he started off really well, got seven wickets in christ

679
00:34:07,987 --> 00:34:10,667
Speaker 2: Church and then another four and Wellington in that series.

680
00:34:10,747 --> 00:34:13,307
Speaker 2: But from there it's been pretty slim pickings for Tim

681
00:34:13,387 --> 00:34:18,587
Speaker 2: Southiger's captain. I hope, unencumbered by the leadership responsibility, that

682
00:34:18,707 --> 00:34:20,787
Speaker 2: he comes right and we'll keep an eye at Grant

683
00:34:20,827 --> 00:34:23,907
Speaker 2: Good to chat to you. Hello, George good Piney, How

684
00:34:23,947 --> 00:34:25,147
Speaker 2: are you good? George good?

685
00:34:26,267 --> 00:34:26,427
Speaker 5: Hey.

686
00:34:26,507 --> 00:34:29,187
Speaker 9: I'm attempting to draw quite a long bow here, so

687
00:34:29,267 --> 00:34:31,787
Speaker 9: feel free to tell me if I'm clutching at straws.

688
00:34:31,827 --> 00:34:34,027
Speaker 2: But I love long bows. I love long bows.

689
00:34:34,067 --> 00:34:34,427
Speaker 10: Go for it.

690
00:34:35,147 --> 00:34:36,627
Speaker 9: I'll keep for your thoughts. Yet this is on the

691
00:34:36,627 --> 00:34:39,347
Speaker 9: back of your your really good view with Mike Brew

692
00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:41,667
Speaker 9: a couple of weeks ago around the Psyche of the

693
00:34:41,787 --> 00:34:43,907
Speaker 9: Orbles at the time. But you know, the last four

694
00:34:44,147 --> 00:34:47,387
Speaker 9: four weeks has seen the or Blecks give up big

695
00:34:47,507 --> 00:34:50,747
Speaker 9: leads over in Africa, the Silver Fairs, Netball the other night,

696
00:34:51,147 --> 00:34:54,307
Speaker 9: sort of give away leads in games they really should

697
00:34:54,307 --> 00:34:56,347
Speaker 9: have won. And obviously, as we're talking about now, the

698
00:34:56,387 --> 00:34:59,187
Speaker 9: black Cats give away a game and Trilink that they

699
00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:02,067
Speaker 9: really should have taken taken charge of, and maybe more

700
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,827
Speaker 9: historically that that game over here against Australia where we

701
00:35:05,027 --> 00:35:08,467
Speaker 9: just we hit them very big time on the ropes,

702
00:35:08,507 --> 00:35:11,147
Speaker 9: and we didn't didn't take our chance. Do you think, Piney,

703
00:35:11,227 --> 00:35:15,467
Speaker 9: there is there's something worrying flowing through the high performance

704
00:35:16,067 --> 00:35:18,507
Speaker 9: pathways and mindsets of our athletes at the moment that

705
00:35:18,587 --> 00:35:22,587
Speaker 9: are just that are just lacking a ruthlessness or an

706
00:35:22,627 --> 00:35:25,667
Speaker 9: aggression or a confidence that is that is seeing us.

707
00:35:25,827 --> 00:35:28,627
Speaker 9: You know that that shows that there's a correlation in

708
00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:29,667
Speaker 9: all of those performances.

709
00:35:30,147 --> 00:35:32,147
Speaker 2: I don't think the bose too long, George. I don't

710
00:35:32,187 --> 00:35:34,027
Speaker 2: think you're drawing a long bow. As you were talking,

711
00:35:34,067 --> 00:35:37,187
Speaker 2: I wrote down feet on throats, and I just don't

712
00:35:37,307 --> 00:35:39,707
Speaker 2: know whether it's in our psyche to put our foot

713
00:35:39,747 --> 00:35:43,907
Speaker 2: on someone's throat and really pushed down consistently, Because you know,

714
00:35:44,547 --> 00:35:48,947
Speaker 2: you're right, it's maybe we're just too nice, well.

715
00:35:48,827 --> 00:35:51,107
Speaker 9: Exactly, And I know, and I know when I called

716
00:35:51,147 --> 00:35:54,227
Speaker 9: the other time, we talked a bit about the other's

717
00:35:54,227 --> 00:35:56,067
Speaker 9: trying to be a bit more like Brenda McCullum and

718
00:35:56,107 --> 00:35:58,787
Speaker 9: the Black Cats. But the thing about Brenda McCullum, you see,

719
00:35:58,867 --> 00:36:03,907
Speaker 9: installed a culture of playing fear, embracing the team, paying respects.

720
00:36:03,987 --> 00:36:06,027
Speaker 9: But he was tough and he had a look in

721
00:36:06,067 --> 00:36:08,227
Speaker 9: his eye that he could give and he could, and

722
00:36:08,347 --> 00:36:10,907
Speaker 9: he backed himself and he'd take no that good steps

723
00:36:10,987 --> 00:36:13,667
Speaker 9: to too fast bowlers and he'd take them on, you know,

724
00:36:13,787 --> 00:36:16,067
Speaker 9: and I think, you know, he found himself that captain

725
00:36:16,107 --> 00:36:18,387
Speaker 9: of Ben Stokes, who is exactly of that ilk. And

726
00:36:18,707 --> 00:36:22,547
Speaker 9: I just, you know, I've just reflected on our sports lot.

727
00:36:22,667 --> 00:36:25,427
Speaker 9: Are we too nice? Are we paying a little bit

728
00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:29,107
Speaker 9: too much respect to our oppositions and not not going

729
00:36:29,147 --> 00:36:30,987
Speaker 9: in for the kill when it really matters, Because those

730
00:36:31,027 --> 00:36:35,347
Speaker 9: three matches I just referred to, you know, we arguably

731
00:36:35,387 --> 00:36:36,947
Speaker 9: should have won all of those games, and we were

732
00:36:37,027 --> 00:36:38,627
Speaker 9: quick to talk at the end of them about the

733
00:36:38,707 --> 00:36:40,747
Speaker 9: quality of the opposition we were coming up against. But

734
00:36:40,827 --> 00:36:43,827
Speaker 9: the reality is we are there or thereabouts to win

735
00:36:43,947 --> 00:36:46,587
Speaker 9: those games, but we're not. We're not putting the foot

736
00:36:46,627 --> 00:36:48,747
Speaker 9: on the throat, as you say, plainting in the in

737
00:36:48,827 --> 00:36:51,507
Speaker 9: those critical times. And as much as I love lating

738
00:36:51,547 --> 00:36:53,547
Speaker 9: them and he's been a great seventh of our game,

739
00:36:53,587 --> 00:36:57,587
Speaker 9: he doesn't give off that that type of inspiration and

740
00:36:57,947 --> 00:37:00,787
Speaker 9: courageousness that he'll be aggressive and make those big players.

741
00:37:01,187 --> 00:37:04,907
Speaker 9: I think Phillips and to an extent, Darryl Mitchell are

742
00:37:04,947 --> 00:37:07,427
Speaker 9: two players in the black Caps there that have it.

743
00:37:07,547 --> 00:37:09,787
Speaker 9: I just don't think Mitchell's quite on top of his

744
00:37:09,907 --> 00:37:12,147
Speaker 9: game to command the captaincy, but he has got that

745
00:37:12,787 --> 00:37:16,867
Speaker 9: raw aggression to him and confidence that he bets himself.

746
00:37:16,987 --> 00:37:17,707
Speaker 13: Well what do you think?

747
00:37:18,147 --> 00:37:22,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mitchell's a really interesting one to me. I still

748
00:37:22,107 --> 00:37:23,907
Speaker 2: think back to that interview he did and maybe his

749
00:37:24,027 --> 00:37:25,827
Speaker 2: words were taking out of context when he said after

750
00:37:26,147 --> 00:37:28,427
Speaker 2: a loss to I think it was the first test

751
00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:31,267
Speaker 2: to Australia last summer when he said, you know, we

752
00:37:31,307 --> 00:37:33,907
Speaker 2: should be judged on more than just results, and at

753
00:37:33,947 --> 00:37:35,707
Speaker 2: the elite level. I don't agree with that at all.

754
00:37:35,827 --> 00:37:39,187
Speaker 2: I think you are judged on results. But he commands

755
00:37:39,227 --> 00:37:41,267
Speaker 2: his place in the side absolutely. I don't know. I

756
00:37:41,347 --> 00:37:43,547
Speaker 2: just like the idea of Glenn Pillip's moving forward. He

757
00:37:43,587 --> 00:37:46,587
Speaker 2: reminds me a bit of Brendan McCallum, and I wonder

758
00:37:46,627 --> 00:37:50,187
Speaker 2: what that would look like in a leadership since you know, yeah, exactly.

759
00:37:49,987 --> 00:37:52,307
Speaker 9: No, definitely, Hay and really quickly, because I know I'm

760
00:37:52,307 --> 00:37:53,987
Speaker 9: going to get booed off soon. I've been painting the

761
00:37:54,027 --> 00:37:56,987
Speaker 9: house the last eight weeks, so you've been a constant

762
00:37:57,147 --> 00:38:00,907
Speaker 9: source of companionship. I guess I call it over the

763
00:38:01,387 --> 00:38:03,667
Speaker 9: twelve to four pm slot, So I just wanted to say, mate,

764
00:38:03,787 --> 00:38:06,867
Speaker 9: you got you a brilliant job on talk back, your show,

765
00:38:06,987 --> 00:38:10,147
Speaker 9: love your your keen eye and judgment and and always

766
00:38:10,587 --> 00:38:12,307
Speaker 9: keep you to ring up. But hopefully this is the

767
00:38:12,387 --> 00:38:17,787
Speaker 9: last weekend with a paint brush in hands, so you've

768
00:38:17,787 --> 00:38:19,667
Speaker 9: got to call out good performances where they are and

769
00:38:19,747 --> 00:38:21,627
Speaker 9: your show is a second to none.

770
00:38:21,667 --> 00:38:25,707
Speaker 2: Finey, So that's lovely, George. The good The irony is

771
00:38:25,827 --> 00:38:27,187
Speaker 2: is that if I was there with you, we're a

772
00:38:27,267 --> 00:38:30,227
Speaker 2: paint brush, I would be bloody hopeless, I would be useless.

773
00:38:30,547 --> 00:38:32,747
Speaker 2: So I think I think the ability to keep your

774
00:38:32,747 --> 00:38:34,987
Speaker 2: company be all like it off of, mate, So thanks

775
00:38:35,027 --> 00:38:39,507
Speaker 2: for taking the time to call in, take it easy,

776
00:38:39,587 --> 00:38:41,107
Speaker 2: to your tape, the painting, all the rest of it

777
00:38:41,187 --> 00:38:43,787
Speaker 2: goes well. Sounds like you're you're almost at the finish line,

778
00:38:43,827 --> 00:38:46,307
Speaker 2: my friend. I love the I love the deep thought

779
00:38:46,547 --> 00:38:50,267
Speaker 2: you gave to that to that opinion as well, good man,

780
00:38:50,507 --> 00:38:52,467
Speaker 2: seven to seven to one, you stalk se'd be back

781
00:38:52,467 --> 00:40:45,667
Speaker 2: after this. It was one of the all time great

782
00:40:45,867 --> 00:40:50,387
Speaker 2: examples of not being able to quite get across the line.

783
00:40:50,627 --> 00:40:52,587
Speaker 2: We were winning that race, weren't we. When the wind

784
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:57,627
Speaker 2: dropped inexplicably, we would have won it, but as it

785
00:40:57,707 --> 00:41:00,867
Speaker 2: happened well eight one ahead losing nine to eight. E

786
00:41:00,907 --> 00:41:05,627
Speaker 2: very good example. America's Cup twenty twenty four. We've got

787
00:41:05,707 --> 00:41:11,147
Speaker 2: our challenging any Os Pretannia have beaten Luna Rossa seven

788
00:41:11,307 --> 00:41:14,027
Speaker 2: four in the final of the Louis Vuton Challenger Series.

789
00:41:14,067 --> 00:41:17,107
Speaker 2: So it'll be any Os Pretannia against Team New Zealand

790
00:41:17,187 --> 00:41:21,587
Speaker 2: for the thirty seventh America's Cup Final, starting next Sunday.

791
00:41:21,667 --> 00:41:24,347
Speaker 2: Mark ORMs Professor Mark ORMs after two actually on that,

792
00:41:24,947 --> 00:41:28,467
Speaker 2: on how we match up and whether whether we might

793
00:41:28,547 --> 00:41:30,827
Speaker 2: be going in a bit cold. We've hardly raced. We

794
00:41:30,907 --> 00:41:34,587
Speaker 2: haven't raced promptly. We had some races in the Louis

795
00:41:34,627 --> 00:41:37,507
Speaker 2: Vton early stages, but just to just to kind of

796
00:41:37,507 --> 00:41:40,467
Speaker 2: get out there really. Meantime, any Ospretenna have been racing,

797
00:41:41,147 --> 00:41:43,547
Speaker 2: you know, full on a hard out for quite a

798
00:41:43,587 --> 00:41:45,827
Speaker 2: while now. Is that going to be a factor. Yeah,

799
00:41:45,867 --> 00:41:48,267
Speaker 2: we'll get to that after two o'clock with Professor Mark ORMs.

800
00:41:48,427 --> 00:41:51,347
Speaker 2: Elise Andrews this hour as well, but one of the

801
00:41:51,427 --> 00:41:55,947
Speaker 2: most eagerly awaited rugby comebacks in recent times will play

802
00:41:56,027 --> 00:41:57,947
Speaker 2: out this afternoon in Palmerston, North.

803
00:41:58,147 --> 00:41:59,587
Speaker 6: Now in the middle you'll.

804
00:41:59,627 --> 00:42:03,547
Speaker 7: Have finally got something on the rampay, let's get rying up.

805
00:42:03,947 --> 00:42:08,187
Speaker 8: It's fine, take in get for great is that he.

806
00:42:09,507 --> 00:42:13,627
Speaker 2: Came Roy Guard Cameroy Guards return to rugby is all

807
00:42:13,747 --> 00:42:17,827
Speaker 2: but complete, six months after undergoing surgery to repair a

808
00:42:17,947 --> 00:42:20,787
Speaker 2: ruptured p teller tendon that he suffered in Super Rugby

809
00:42:21,147 --> 00:42:23,227
Speaker 2: at the back end of March. The All Blacks and

810
00:42:23,347 --> 00:42:26,107
Speaker 2: Hurricanes halfback will turn out for Counties Manico in this

811
00:42:26,227 --> 00:42:30,427
Speaker 2: afternoon's NPC match against Mulaw Would two in Palmerston, North

812
00:42:30,747 --> 00:42:34,147
Speaker 2: Camera Rey Guards with us cam. Great to have you

813
00:42:34,387 --> 00:42:37,147
Speaker 2: almost back out there. How do you reflect, first of all,

814
00:42:37,187 --> 00:42:40,067
Speaker 2: on the last six months in general terms, Yeah, I.

815
00:42:40,067 --> 00:42:42,507
Speaker 14: Guess it's been a bit of a roller coaster, thinking

816
00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:44,187
Speaker 14: right back to the injury, you know, how it sort

817
00:42:44,227 --> 00:42:48,427
Speaker 14: of happened, and how I guess how quickly the operation happened,

818
00:42:48,507 --> 00:42:50,987
Speaker 14: and just the whole process that really of rehab. It's

819
00:42:51,027 --> 00:42:54,267
Speaker 14: been yeah, quite a journey. But I feel, you know,

820
00:42:54,307 --> 00:42:57,707
Speaker 14: I'm ready to go, and yeah, it's really excited to

821
00:42:57,747 --> 00:43:00,627
Speaker 14: get back out there. Yeah, like you said in the intro,

822
00:43:00,787 --> 00:43:04,227
Speaker 14: it's been just over six months since my operation, so yeah,

823
00:43:04,267 --> 00:43:05,667
Speaker 14: I'm really excited to get back out there.

824
00:43:05,867 --> 00:43:08,747
Speaker 2: What was the challenging part of the last six months,

825
00:43:09,827 --> 00:43:10,267
Speaker 2: I think.

826
00:43:10,187 --> 00:43:12,027
Speaker 9: The early doors of the rehab.

827
00:43:12,147 --> 00:43:14,947
Speaker 14: So for those that don't know, I had a wire

828
00:43:14,987 --> 00:43:17,267
Speaker 14: that they put him there in the operation to keep

829
00:43:17,307 --> 00:43:20,547
Speaker 14: the teller from moving so I could so I could

830
00:43:20,587 --> 00:43:21,227
Speaker 14: heal pretty much.

831
00:43:21,267 --> 00:43:22,827
Speaker 7: And I was in a straight league brace for over

832
00:43:22,907 --> 00:43:23,227
Speaker 7: a month.

833
00:43:24,107 --> 00:43:27,347
Speaker 14: So yeah, I guess trying to move get that flection

834
00:43:27,467 --> 00:43:31,307
Speaker 14: and extension back in my knee when I was when

835
00:43:31,307 --> 00:43:33,147
Speaker 14: I was trying to rehab at the early stages was

836
00:43:33,387 --> 00:43:38,267
Speaker 14: definitely a challenge. And I guess, yeah, just with that

837
00:43:38,307 --> 00:43:40,427
Speaker 14: fiction and extension when it sort of felt like glass

838
00:43:40,427 --> 00:43:43,267
Speaker 14: because I hadn't moved it for so long. And yeah,

839
00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:46,867
Speaker 14: everything with that wire and was a challenge. But the

840
00:43:46,947 --> 00:43:49,387
Speaker 14: work that we did put in in the early doors

841
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:53,947
Speaker 14: of it the rehab was very beneficial to actually making

842
00:43:54,027 --> 00:43:56,587
Speaker 14: the milestone of getting back to playing.

843
00:43:56,827 --> 00:43:59,467
Speaker 2: Sure, did you find it hard to be patient and

844
00:43:59,587 --> 00:44:02,107
Speaker 2: to follow the plan without wanting to jump ahead?

845
00:44:03,667 --> 00:44:04,147
Speaker 10: Yeah, I guess.

846
00:44:04,187 --> 00:44:09,107
Speaker 14: So it was like credit to the Hurricanes medical team,

847
00:44:09,187 --> 00:44:11,467
Speaker 14: like we set a plan right at the start. We

848
00:44:11,827 --> 00:44:14,027
Speaker 14: I guess we broke it down into certain steps and

849
00:44:14,147 --> 00:44:17,147
Speaker 14: talked about how I guess if we do take our

850
00:44:17,227 --> 00:44:19,667
Speaker 14: time with the early doors of the process that will

851
00:44:19,707 --> 00:44:22,627
Speaker 14: sort of benefit us in the back end, and either

852
00:44:22,627 --> 00:44:24,147
Speaker 14: a little bit I guess and deny to start with,

853
00:44:24,307 --> 00:44:26,667
Speaker 14: but you know, I had full faith in them and

854
00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:28,827
Speaker 14: what they sort of believed in, So I was happy

855
00:44:28,867 --> 00:44:31,667
Speaker 14: to trust them, and I guess I was pretty lucky that,

856
00:44:32,507 --> 00:44:34,387
Speaker 14: you know, they had done some stuff with TJ with

857
00:44:34,467 --> 00:44:38,227
Speaker 14: his arkillage injury and saw what challenges he faced, so

858
00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:41,667
Speaker 14: being able to, I guess learn from his experience before

859
00:44:41,707 --> 00:44:44,187
Speaker 14: I've had mine helped in that case.

860
00:44:44,427 --> 00:44:46,107
Speaker 7: So I wasn't I was doing what I needed to do,

861
00:44:46,227 --> 00:44:49,027
Speaker 7: but I wasn't pushing the boat out and sort of risking.

862
00:44:49,587 --> 00:44:54,147
Speaker 14: Either rerupturing it or causing other setbacks. So yeah, just

863
00:44:54,307 --> 00:44:56,067
Speaker 14: you know, credit to them because the plan that they

864
00:44:56,187 --> 00:44:58,707
Speaker 14: set and the work that I've done to match that

865
00:44:59,547 --> 00:45:00,947
Speaker 14: has made it. I guess it's all worth while.

866
00:45:01,467 --> 00:45:05,707
Speaker 2: How did you mentally navigate the more challenging times in

867
00:45:05,787 --> 00:45:06,227
Speaker 2: the whole proce?

868
00:45:07,667 --> 00:45:09,867
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it's not get looking too far ahead

869
00:45:09,907 --> 00:45:12,787
Speaker 14: and you know, start trying not to think about the

870
00:45:12,907 --> 00:45:14,467
Speaker 14: what if I don't come back and what if I'm

871
00:45:14,507 --> 00:45:16,307
Speaker 14: not you know, running as fast as I can and

872
00:45:16,347 --> 00:45:19,347
Speaker 14: all that sort of stuff. Because yeah, just thing focused

873
00:45:19,387 --> 00:45:21,187
Speaker 14: on the process, and like I said, there are lots

874
00:45:21,187 --> 00:45:23,467
Speaker 14: of little milestones that I was trying to take off,

875
00:45:23,547 --> 00:45:26,627
Speaker 14: so trying to get my flection back, which was a challenge,

876
00:45:26,667 --> 00:45:30,867
Speaker 14: but you know, every little win keep me really positive.

877
00:45:30,947 --> 00:45:33,387
Speaker 14: And that's where them you know that, Like I said,

878
00:45:33,427 --> 00:45:36,827
Speaker 14: the medical team, Nicole and Garrett, they were great because

879
00:45:36,987 --> 00:45:39,387
Speaker 14: I guess we're sort of celebrating those and I've done

880
00:45:39,427 --> 00:45:43,947
Speaker 14: lots of stuff with the ker Evans and David Gray,

881
00:45:43,987 --> 00:45:46,627
Speaker 14: who are the mindset coaches that there all backs and

882
00:45:46,627 --> 00:45:48,947
Speaker 14: the hurricanes, and they were great for I guess framing

883
00:45:49,027 --> 00:45:52,907
Speaker 14: up my mind mindset to tackling this challenge of rehab.

884
00:45:52,987 --> 00:45:55,707
Speaker 9: And yeah, I think we did a good job.

885
00:45:55,787 --> 00:45:57,787
Speaker 14: And I guess I didn't really because I was super

886
00:45:57,827 --> 00:45:59,787
Speaker 14: busy with the rehab, but don't have too much time

887
00:45:59,867 --> 00:46:01,907
Speaker 14: to sort of feel so for myself to be there, it's.

888
00:46:01,787 --> 00:46:03,827
Speaker 2: Good to hear and your documented the whole thing on

889
00:46:03,907 --> 00:46:07,027
Speaker 2: Instagram as well for a bunch of followers. How much

890
00:46:07,067 --> 00:46:08,627
Speaker 2: did that help keep you on track that you were

891
00:46:08,627 --> 00:46:10,627
Speaker 2: almost I don't know, there was a bunch of people

892
00:46:10,627 --> 00:46:12,747
Speaker 2: who just wanted to know where you were in your journey.

893
00:46:13,547 --> 00:46:15,907
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, I guess then all sort of started

894
00:46:15,907 --> 00:46:18,307
Speaker 14: because I was getting so many messages about when of

895
00:46:18,347 --> 00:46:20,867
Speaker 14: my back, and you know, how does the rehab and

896
00:46:20,907 --> 00:46:22,307
Speaker 14: stuff comes. So I thought I'd just chuck it up

897
00:46:22,307 --> 00:46:23,747
Speaker 14: so enough people want to see it and they can

898
00:46:24,387 --> 00:46:27,387
Speaker 14: hear it rup from the source rather than spiculating. So yeah,

899
00:46:27,387 --> 00:46:30,067
Speaker 14: it was good to just, I guess, keep those people

900
00:46:30,107 --> 00:46:32,427
Speaker 14: in the loop that did care. And I can feel

901
00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:35,547
Speaker 14: the sort of excitement has been building over the past

902
00:46:35,587 --> 00:46:38,227
Speaker 14: couple of weeks as they sort of knew that I

903
00:46:38,267 --> 00:46:40,947
Speaker 14: was sort of getting pretty close to playing, and you know,

904
00:46:40,987 --> 00:46:42,627
Speaker 14: it was awesome to be back in with the All

905
00:46:42,667 --> 00:46:45,507
Speaker 14: Black last week, mixed up with them and sort of

906
00:46:46,387 --> 00:46:49,627
Speaker 14: getting used to that high intensity training and help prep

907
00:46:49,747 --> 00:46:51,667
Speaker 14: for this week. So yeah, it's been pretty cool that

908
00:46:51,787 --> 00:46:54,107
Speaker 14: I guess the support that I've had throughout the journey,

909
00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:58,267
Speaker 14: and I guess now that i'm sort of well that's playing,

910
00:46:58,347 --> 00:47:00,987
Speaker 14: it's yeah, it's pretty exciting, and yeah, it's pretty greatful

911
00:47:01,347 --> 00:47:01,667
Speaker 14: that I've had.

912
00:47:01,867 --> 00:47:04,307
Speaker 2: Yep, So here we are. You're about to head back

913
00:47:04,347 --> 00:47:06,907
Speaker 2: out there. Is there any part of you that feels

914
00:47:06,947 --> 00:47:10,227
Speaker 2: a bit of trepidation as you look forward to your

915
00:47:10,267 --> 00:47:10,947
Speaker 2: first game back?

916
00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:14,267
Speaker 10: Oh?

917
00:47:14,587 --> 00:47:16,587
Speaker 14: No, I think so, I think We've just put in

918
00:47:16,747 --> 00:47:19,147
Speaker 14: like a lot of work to get to this point,

919
00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:22,147
Speaker 14: so there's no time to sort of worry about, you know,

920
00:47:22,267 --> 00:47:24,387
Speaker 14: the waifs and the nerves and all that sort of stuff.

921
00:47:24,427 --> 00:47:25,747
Speaker 14: You know, I'm not going to let my nerves get

922
00:47:25,787 --> 00:47:27,867
Speaker 14: in the way of everything that I've done for the

923
00:47:27,907 --> 00:47:31,067
Speaker 14: past six months to sort of get me here. So yeah,

924
00:47:31,467 --> 00:47:33,547
Speaker 14: you know, I feel like I'm ready. We've had some

925
00:47:33,667 --> 00:47:36,547
Speaker 14: really good training weeks and the build up and done

926
00:47:36,547 --> 00:47:38,387
Speaker 14: some really good stuff to make sure that I am ready.

927
00:47:39,507 --> 00:47:40,667
Speaker 14: So I'm just going to make sure I got there

928
00:47:40,707 --> 00:47:44,067
Speaker 14: and I enjoy myself. And yeah, once I'm out there,

929
00:47:44,107 --> 00:47:46,147
Speaker 14: I just put my head down and I'm sure it's

930
00:47:46,347 --> 00:47:48,027
Speaker 14: sort of come back to me pretty quickly, hopefully. And

931
00:47:48,187 --> 00:47:50,627
Speaker 14: once I get that first tattle and first carry out

932
00:47:50,627 --> 00:47:52,387
Speaker 14: of the way, I think I think I'll be a way. Yeah.

933
00:47:52,787 --> 00:47:55,227
Speaker 2: What about match footness, Cam, do you what's your assessment

934
00:47:55,307 --> 00:47:57,627
Speaker 2: around how long it'll take your body to get used

935
00:47:57,627 --> 00:47:59,507
Speaker 2: to actually playing games of rugby again.

936
00:48:01,027 --> 00:48:02,707
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think that's always something that you sort of

937
00:48:03,867 --> 00:48:05,507
Speaker 14: you forget about a little bit. You know, no matter

938
00:48:05,547 --> 00:48:08,347
Speaker 14: how much you know field running and all that sort

939
00:48:08,387 --> 00:48:10,867
Speaker 14: of stuff you do, it's nothing quite the same as

940
00:48:11,347 --> 00:48:14,147
Speaker 14: a game, just because of the adrenaline the contact, which

941
00:48:14,667 --> 00:48:16,587
Speaker 14: I guess to tease you a lot more than you realize.

942
00:48:17,347 --> 00:48:19,427
Speaker 14: But yeah, we've tried to do as much as we

943
00:48:19,507 --> 00:48:22,027
Speaker 14: can and training and stuff to sort of replicate that.

944
00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:25,827
Speaker 6: So which, yeah, I guess that's just.

945
00:48:25,907 --> 00:48:27,867
Speaker 14: Time, but it might take a couple of games, but

946
00:48:28,027 --> 00:48:30,747
Speaker 14: hopefully we have a good result on the weekend and

947
00:48:30,827 --> 00:48:34,187
Speaker 14: might get another game for the count Is in the quarterfinals.

948
00:48:34,267 --> 00:48:38,547
Speaker 14: So yeah, just trying to I guess I just feel it,

949
00:48:38,627 --> 00:48:41,387
Speaker 14: you know. I know I will wake up store on tomorrow,

950
00:48:41,587 --> 00:48:44,947
Speaker 14: which is all part of it. Yeah, Yeah, it's just

951
00:48:44,987 --> 00:48:46,547
Speaker 14: it'll be just great to be back out there and

952
00:48:46,827 --> 00:48:49,147
Speaker 14: hopefully I can sort of get out there and I

953
00:48:49,267 --> 00:48:50,907
Speaker 14: know that in terms of my numbers and stuff and

954
00:48:50,947 --> 00:48:52,907
Speaker 14: how I've been training unfit as I was before I

955
00:48:53,027 --> 00:48:56,147
Speaker 14: than so yeah, that'll just take to outstanding.

956
00:48:56,267 --> 00:48:58,707
Speaker 2: And you mentioned before doing some work with Cary Evans

957
00:48:59,067 --> 00:49:01,467
Speaker 2: in the mindsett and space. How much contact have you

958
00:49:01,587 --> 00:49:04,307
Speaker 2: had with the All Blacks coaches in the last six months.

959
00:49:05,827 --> 00:49:07,387
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I've had a little bit.

960
00:49:07,467 --> 00:49:10,507
Speaker 14: To be fair, They've been really good in terms of

961
00:49:11,027 --> 00:49:14,067
Speaker 14: keeping contact and especially like their medical team. I've had

962
00:49:14,107 --> 00:49:16,307
Speaker 14: too much to do with them, but they's been great

963
00:49:16,387 --> 00:49:19,627
Speaker 14: with checking him and sort of seeing how my progress

964
00:49:19,707 --> 00:49:19,947
Speaker 14: is going.

965
00:49:20,027 --> 00:49:21,347
Speaker 4: And I've been floating around.

966
00:49:21,467 --> 00:49:24,107
Speaker 14: Especially at the early stage of our rehead seeing them

967
00:49:24,227 --> 00:49:26,907
Speaker 14: and had a really good, I guess, some really good

968
00:49:26,947 --> 00:49:31,147
Speaker 14: connection with Scott Hanson, who's obviously the attack coach and

969
00:49:31,267 --> 00:49:33,267
Speaker 14: does a lot of stuff with the other halfbacks. So

970
00:49:33,707 --> 00:49:36,027
Speaker 14: it's been really good that he's sort of been doing

971
00:49:36,067 --> 00:49:37,427
Speaker 14: some stuff with me to make sure that I'm still

972
00:49:38,747 --> 00:49:40,827
Speaker 14: keeping my rugby brain on and not just switching off

973
00:49:40,867 --> 00:49:43,707
Speaker 14: completely and trying to get better even though that I'm

974
00:49:43,747 --> 00:49:45,867
Speaker 14: not playing. So yeah, last week, like I said, was

975
00:49:45,907 --> 00:49:48,867
Speaker 14: really great to be fully fully involved with the team

976
00:49:48,987 --> 00:49:51,187
Speaker 14: and being in all those meetings and all that sort

977
00:49:51,187 --> 00:49:53,187
Speaker 14: of stuff, which is there some just to sort of

978
00:49:53,627 --> 00:49:55,747
Speaker 14: get back in the frame of just thinking about rugby,

979
00:49:55,867 --> 00:49:58,587
Speaker 14: And yeah, it's just been really good for us. I

980
00:49:58,627 --> 00:50:00,147
Speaker 14: guess the preparation going to this week.

981
00:50:00,547 --> 00:50:03,187
Speaker 2: How did you go watching rugby, watching the Hurricanes play,

982
00:50:03,267 --> 00:50:05,907
Speaker 2: watching the All Blacks play, How was that?

983
00:50:06,467 --> 00:50:07,547
Speaker 15: Yeah?

984
00:50:07,587 --> 00:50:09,307
Speaker 14: It was obviously challenging with the Hurricane.

985
00:50:09,707 --> 00:50:11,547
Speaker 13: I was really enjoying the season that we're having.

986
00:50:11,667 --> 00:50:14,027
Speaker 14: You know, We've had a great team, great teammates, and

987
00:50:14,147 --> 00:50:16,187
Speaker 14: we play an awesome brand of hoodie that suits.

988
00:50:15,947 --> 00:50:16,787
Speaker 9: The way I like to play.

989
00:50:16,907 --> 00:50:20,107
Speaker 14: So yeah, obviously when I was injured, it was pretty

990
00:50:20,107 --> 00:50:23,387
Speaker 14: hard to watch initially, but you know, we still had

991
00:50:23,387 --> 00:50:26,067
Speaker 14: an awesome year. Probably didn't well, we obviously didn't get

992
00:50:26,067 --> 00:50:29,547
Speaker 14: the result they were after, but you know, I'm had

993
00:50:29,627 --> 00:50:31,787
Speaker 14: full face that we'll be able to, you know, back

994
00:50:31,907 --> 00:50:34,827
Speaker 14: up similar performances and build on the year. Just being so,

995
00:50:36,507 --> 00:50:38,987
Speaker 14: I guess, like I say, it's just sport and everyone

996
00:50:39,107 --> 00:50:40,947
Speaker 14: you know has their injuries and all that sort of stuff.

997
00:50:40,987 --> 00:50:42,987
Speaker 14: So just I guess it's one of those things, which

998
00:50:43,147 --> 00:50:45,547
Speaker 14: it is what it is, but certain thing with the

999
00:50:45,587 --> 00:50:47,027
Speaker 14: All Blacks, you know, like I feel like if I

1000
00:50:47,147 --> 00:50:49,027
Speaker 14: was available, I'd be able to add some value where

1001
00:50:49,067 --> 00:50:51,987
Speaker 14: I can. But I haven't had too much time to

1002
00:50:52,027 --> 00:50:54,107
Speaker 14: sort of dwell, and I quite enjoyed being a fan actually,

1003
00:50:54,787 --> 00:50:56,187
Speaker 14: Like there's always a team that I looked up to

1004
00:50:56,267 --> 00:50:58,707
Speaker 14: and love watching. So being able to, I guess, do

1005
00:50:58,907 --> 00:51:02,947
Speaker 14: that again from a different perspective has been great. And yeah,

1006
00:51:02,987 --> 00:51:05,107
Speaker 14: if I do get an opportunity to be back in

1007
00:51:05,187 --> 00:51:08,307
Speaker 14: the mix for the same Northern, You're pretty excited.

1008
00:51:08,787 --> 00:51:11,867
Speaker 2: Well, congrats on nailing your rehab cam almost of the day.

1009
00:51:13,387 --> 00:51:16,587
Speaker 2: It's a real demonstration of following the process. Mate, congrats

1010
00:51:16,627 --> 00:51:18,667
Speaker 2: on that all the best this afternoon. Thanks for taking

1011
00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:21,547
Speaker 2: the time for a chat. Awesome, I thank you, Cam

1012
00:51:21,627 --> 00:51:25,067
Speaker 2: cam Roy guard there about to return for Counties Manico

1013
00:51:25,147 --> 00:51:27,867
Speaker 2: against Manawatu this afternoon. Of Parmeston or five pass to

1014
00:51:27,987 --> 00:51:29,947
Speaker 2: that game kicks off, he'll come off the bench, as

1015
00:51:30,027 --> 00:51:32,547
Speaker 2: will Dalton Papa Lee in that game. A bunch of

1016
00:51:32,667 --> 00:51:34,987
Speaker 2: All Blacks have been released back to their provinces for

1017
00:51:35,307 --> 00:51:40,827
Speaker 2: games this weekend. You Cam mentioned there that Counties they

1018
00:51:40,867 --> 00:51:43,427
Speaker 2: are still in the mix for a quarter final spot.

1019
00:51:43,427 --> 00:51:45,787
Speaker 2: I've just been looking at the table. So Counties currently

1020
00:51:45,827 --> 00:51:49,907
Speaker 2: have twenty three points. They're sitting in ninth place. Canterbury

1021
00:51:50,027 --> 00:51:54,387
Speaker 2: are eighth, Otago are seventh and Whiticutto are sixth. Now,

1022
00:51:54,587 --> 00:51:57,507
Speaker 2: Otago won last night, but that's it for them. They're done.

1023
00:51:57,987 --> 00:52:02,027
Speaker 2: So if Counties win this afternoon, they'll go one point

1024
00:52:02,067 --> 00:52:07,827
Speaker 2: ahead of Otago and I don't think can be caught.

1025
00:52:08,067 --> 00:52:11,187
Speaker 2: They can be caught by North Harbor. If North Harbor

1026
00:52:11,227 --> 00:52:15,867
Speaker 2: win their final match of the MPC, they can be

1027
00:52:15,947 --> 00:52:17,547
Speaker 2: caught by North Harbor. Just stay with me on this

1028
00:52:17,627 --> 00:52:20,347
Speaker 2: because it's a little bit it's a little bit complicated,

1029
00:52:20,787 --> 00:52:27,347
Speaker 2: but Southland play North Harbor this afternoon. If North Harbor

1030
00:52:27,347 --> 00:52:30,347
Speaker 2: get a bonus point, they'll go past counties. Of counties

1031
00:52:30,387 --> 00:52:32,147
Speaker 2: don't get a bonus point. I'm not going to even

1032
00:52:32,147 --> 00:52:35,267
Speaker 2: try and explain this. It's so much easier for you

1033
00:52:35,427 --> 00:52:36,867
Speaker 2: just to look at the table and work it out.

1034
00:52:36,947 --> 00:52:39,587
Speaker 2: But it feels to me if Counties Manicaw win with

1035
00:52:39,627 --> 00:52:42,827
Speaker 2: a bonus point this afternoon, they'll play quarterfinals. So that'll

1036
00:52:42,867 --> 00:52:45,307
Speaker 2: give cam Rouygud another game next week, which is kind

1037
00:52:45,307 --> 00:52:47,067
Speaker 2: of what we're after. Ready, at least one game anyway

1038
00:52:47,107 --> 00:52:50,027
Speaker 2: before that before they take off the team for the

1039
00:52:50,147 --> 00:52:52,387
Speaker 2: Northern Tour. Incidentally, the All Blacks team for the Northern

1040
00:52:52,427 --> 00:52:55,707
Speaker 2: Tour is named on Monday two o'clock Monday afternoon, so

1041
00:52:55,787 --> 00:52:57,467
Speaker 2: we'll break it all down for you on Sports Talk

1042
00:52:57,547 --> 00:53:00,107
Speaker 2: on Monday night. But I mean, we all know cam

1043
00:53:00,187 --> 00:53:02,147
Speaker 2: Roygad is going to be in that team provided he

1044
00:53:02,227 --> 00:53:04,627
Speaker 2: comes through this afternoon, all right, And that just got

1045
00:53:04,667 --> 00:53:06,907
Speaker 2: me to thinking he's only played five test match? Is

1046
00:53:06,947 --> 00:53:10,787
Speaker 2: cam roy guard He's not an established a back All

1047
00:53:10,827 --> 00:53:13,867
Speaker 2: Black by any stretch of the imagination. You remember last

1048
00:53:13,987 --> 00:53:16,947
Speaker 2: year he wasn't even picked for the big games at

1049
00:53:16,987 --> 00:53:21,707
Speaker 2: the Rugby World Cup. He played against Namibia, Italy and

1050
00:53:21,947 --> 00:53:25,747
Speaker 2: Uruguay in paul play, but Finlay Christie was preferred to

1051
00:53:25,867 --> 00:53:28,627
Speaker 2: him in the quarterfinal, the semi final and the final.

1052
00:53:29,147 --> 00:53:32,627
Speaker 2: So and before that he debuted against Australia in Melbourne

1053
00:53:32,667 --> 00:53:35,827
Speaker 2: in the Rugby Championship and then also the try we

1054
00:53:35,987 --> 00:53:38,187
Speaker 2: just played for you there was when he came off

1055
00:53:38,227 --> 00:53:41,107
Speaker 2: the bench against South Africa in that game at Twickenham

1056
00:53:41,147 --> 00:53:44,947
Speaker 2: before the World Cup. So he hasn't rarely played a lot,

1057
00:53:45,107 --> 00:53:49,907
Speaker 2: but such has been his impact on the side and

1058
00:53:50,107 --> 00:53:54,707
Speaker 2: particularly his super rugby form that cam Roy Guard's basically

1059
00:53:54,747 --> 00:53:59,787
Speaker 2: our number one half back, isn't he. If everybody's fit

1060
00:54:00,627 --> 00:54:04,507
Speaker 2: and looking at this end of year tour, everybody will

1061
00:54:04,587 --> 00:54:07,827
Speaker 2: be came Roy Gard. It's the number one half back,

1062
00:54:07,907 --> 00:54:10,667
Speaker 2: isn't he. This has also got me thinking about the

1063
00:54:10,787 --> 00:54:13,507
Speaker 2: makeup of this end of year Tour squad for the

1064
00:54:13,587 --> 00:54:19,067
Speaker 2: All Blacks, because they'll only take three half backs and

1065
00:54:19,147 --> 00:54:20,987
Speaker 2: there are four in the mix. From what I can see,

1066
00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:25,347
Speaker 2: there's the three who have played the Rugby Championship, TJ Petanada,

1067
00:54:25,707 --> 00:54:30,507
Speaker 2: Cortez Ratima, Noah Hotham and add Cameroy Garden there, So

1068
00:54:30,587 --> 00:54:33,387
Speaker 2: there's four half backs, they're only going to take three,

1069
00:54:34,667 --> 00:54:38,147
Speaker 2: So who doesn't go We're going to actually break this

1070
00:54:38,227 --> 00:54:40,947
Speaker 2: down tomorrow. I'm going to go into more detail on this,

1071
00:54:41,067 --> 00:54:44,987
Speaker 2: particularly around around the half back position and also around

1072
00:54:45,027 --> 00:54:50,347
Speaker 2: the open side flanker conversation as well with Sam kin

1073
00:54:51,827 --> 00:54:55,547
Speaker 2: So does TJ Peanada go on that tour? Does Sam

1074
00:54:55,667 --> 00:54:57,267
Speaker 2: Kine go on that tour? Given the fact that we

1075
00:54:57,427 --> 00:55:01,187
Speaker 2: know neither of them are going to be here beyond

1076
00:55:01,227 --> 00:55:03,067
Speaker 2: the end of this year. I don't want to get

1077
00:55:03,107 --> 00:55:06,907
Speaker 2: into it too much now, but want to talk about

1078
00:55:06,947 --> 00:55:09,787
Speaker 2: it tomorrow. Karen. Any thoughts on Cameray guard?

1079
00:55:10,947 --> 00:55:11,067
Speaker 11: Uh?

1080
00:55:11,787 --> 00:55:16,187
Speaker 16: Yeah, mate, Yeah, I just just he is saying, all

1081
00:55:16,187 --> 00:55:18,267
Speaker 16: we guards coming back into the mat. But you know,

1082
00:55:18,707 --> 00:55:22,707
Speaker 16: Courtis has been playing some pretty good footing one so

1083
00:55:23,547 --> 00:55:24,827
Speaker 16: you know it's going to be it's going to be

1084
00:55:24,907 --> 00:55:27,227
Speaker 16: tough for him to come back, especially after that sort

1085
00:55:27,227 --> 00:55:30,387
Speaker 16: of injury and make a name for himself again, That's

1086
00:55:30,427 --> 00:55:33,187
Speaker 16: all I'm thinking, And especially TJ coming off the bench,

1087
00:55:33,227 --> 00:55:35,107
Speaker 16: he's he's had pretty good impacts.

1088
00:55:35,147 --> 00:55:36,507
Speaker 4: It's going to be pretty tough for him.

1089
00:55:37,147 --> 00:55:40,347
Speaker 2: Oh look, I agreed, No, Karen, I agree. Look, I

1090
00:55:40,787 --> 00:55:43,547
Speaker 2: you know, without wanting to put the car before the horse.

1091
00:55:43,867 --> 00:55:46,227
Speaker 2: As long as Camerga gets through today, okay, he'll be

1092
00:55:46,307 --> 00:55:48,707
Speaker 2: on that tour. But you're right, I'd take I'd take

1093
00:55:48,787 --> 00:55:52,067
Speaker 2: t J cam and Cortez, but but I don't know

1094
00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:55,547
Speaker 2: how I would play it in terms of each Test

1095
00:55:55,627 --> 00:55:58,107
Speaker 2: match as a double punch. I think beyond this year,

1096
00:55:58,627 --> 00:55:59,987
Speaker 2: I think we can look forward to a camera re

1097
00:56:00,107 --> 00:56:03,227
Speaker 2: guard Cortez ram double punch with Nulla. Hope them there

1098
00:56:03,267 --> 00:56:05,627
Speaker 2: as well. That's very exciting, but the back end of

1099
00:56:05,667 --> 00:56:07,347
Speaker 2: the year's fastened to me, mate, I don't know how

1100
00:56:07,347 --> 00:56:08,987
Speaker 2: they're going to do it in terms of who gets

1101
00:56:09,027 --> 00:56:09,547
Speaker 2: what jerseys.

1102
00:56:10,507 --> 00:56:13,947
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, look one hundred percent. I think Cortez has

1103
00:56:13,947 --> 00:56:16,867
Speaker 16: done enough to cement himself and that nine jersey and

1104
00:56:16,947 --> 00:56:20,507
Speaker 16: lo you said he's rugs, not an established All Black.

1105
00:56:20,587 --> 00:56:24,227
Speaker 16: He did have an outstanding start to his AB's career.

1106
00:56:24,307 --> 00:56:27,307
Speaker 16: But you just got to look at me and him

1107
00:56:27,347 --> 00:56:30,547
Speaker 16: on a scudder when he heard that injury. It's it's man,

1108
00:56:30,627 --> 00:56:32,067
Speaker 16: It's tough to come back from those times.

1109
00:56:32,667 --> 00:56:34,627
Speaker 2: It is a good thoughts. Karen, Thanks make yeah, because

1110
00:56:34,707 --> 00:56:36,067
Speaker 2: we're going to discuss it more on the show tomorrow.

1111
00:56:36,067 --> 00:56:37,667
Speaker 2: If you get the opportunity to listen, in to Colin

1112
00:56:38,067 --> 00:56:40,227
Speaker 2: after midday. You want to have a good, good sort

1113
00:56:40,227 --> 00:56:42,227
Speaker 2: of drilled down into what the All Blacks might do

1114
00:56:42,627 --> 00:56:44,427
Speaker 2: in the half back spot for the end of year tour,

1115
00:56:44,547 --> 00:56:47,027
Speaker 2: both in terms of selection and then who might play.

1116
00:56:47,307 --> 00:56:48,787
Speaker 2: Like I say, beyond this year, I think we can

1117
00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:52,787
Speaker 2: all look forward very much to Cortez out to my

1118
00:56:52,867 --> 00:56:56,427
Speaker 2: Cameroy Guard and Noah Hotham really battling it out for

1119
00:56:56,547 --> 00:57:00,187
Speaker 2: the positions in a match day squad. But at the

1120
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Speaker 2: end of this year you've got to add t J

1121
00:57:01,787 --> 00:57:04,987
Speaker 2: Pedinada into that mix as well. So how did they

1122
00:57:05,067 --> 00:57:06,987
Speaker 2: do it? Good to check Karen, Thanks for calling. In

1123
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Speaker 2: one twenty five, it is halftime in the Farah Parma

1124
00:57:10,467 --> 00:57:14,387
Speaker 2: Cup Premiership Final seventeen all between White cut Or and Canterbury.

1125
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Speaker 2: Tight game playing out there at FMG Stadium in Hamilton.

1126
00:57:18,067 --> 00:57:19,547
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break when we come back.

1127
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Speaker 2: One of the heroes, one of the real stars of

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Speaker 1: builder News Dogs they'd.

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Speaker 2: Be one twenty nine. Elise Andrews in just a moment,

1145
00:58:15,747 --> 00:58:16,747
Speaker 2: get akb.

1146
00:58:17,867 --> 00:58:19,547
Speaker 10: You mate, there's things very good.

1147
00:58:20,747 --> 00:58:20,947
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1148
00:58:21,067 --> 00:58:25,267
Speaker 10: Hey, what's the story with Christie. I've actually watched about

1149
00:58:25,307 --> 00:58:28,627
Speaker 10: his last five games and I cannot understand why he's

1150
00:58:28,667 --> 00:58:31,187
Speaker 10: not in the mix. He's in my way, I think,

1151
00:58:31,227 --> 00:58:33,987
Speaker 10: and he's better than all those for Finlake.

1152
00:58:34,027 --> 00:58:38,787
Speaker 2: Christie, Yeah, he's playing well. I'll give you that. For Tasman.

1153
00:58:38,867 --> 00:58:41,627
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that he really secured his place when

1154
00:58:41,667 --> 00:58:44,227
Speaker 2: he played for the All Blacks earlier this year. KB.

1155
00:58:44,747 --> 00:58:47,187
Speaker 2: I think he's still worthy of being in the conversation.

1156
00:58:47,307 --> 00:58:50,067
Speaker 2: I just wonder whether he's been overtaken by the blokes

1157
00:58:50,187 --> 00:58:53,707
Speaker 2: like cortiez Latma, Noah Hotham and came Roy Guard coming back.

1158
00:58:53,747 --> 00:58:56,387
Speaker 2: I just don't know whether there's room for Finlay Christie.

1159
00:58:57,187 --> 00:59:00,787
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I can't see why I watched all those

1160
00:59:00,867 --> 00:59:04,947
Speaker 10: guys play. I think he's way faraster. He's more aggressive.

1161
00:59:05,147 --> 00:59:10,747
Speaker 10: He's the Night four when you need them back, wouldn't

1162
00:59:10,787 --> 00:59:12,707
Speaker 10: coming forward to get in there and the dirty stuff,

1163
00:59:12,747 --> 00:59:16,107
Speaker 10: do you know what I mean? It's got great tacking

1164
00:59:16,187 --> 00:59:21,107
Speaker 10: ability as passes, brilliant and it's quicker speedwise. So I

1165
00:59:21,427 --> 00:59:24,387
Speaker 10: think he might have dirtied the coffee book somewhere with Razor.

1166
00:59:25,867 --> 00:59:29,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that, Kab. Look what I'll be

1167
00:59:29,347 --> 00:59:31,987
Speaker 2: interested in seeing is what they do at Tasman when

1168
00:59:32,027 --> 00:59:34,267
Speaker 2: Noah Hope Them comes back. I haven't seen the Tasman

1169
00:59:34,347 --> 00:59:36,547
Speaker 2: team named. I'm sure it has been named for the

1170
00:59:36,627 --> 00:59:41,547
Speaker 2: Shield Challenge tomorrow. I presume Christy will start and Hope

1171
00:59:41,587 --> 00:59:43,307
Speaker 2: Them will come off the bench. I thought it was

1172
00:59:43,347 --> 00:59:47,267
Speaker 2: really interesting during the last month or so when they

1173
00:59:48,227 --> 00:59:51,787
Speaker 2: released All Blacks back to their provinces, they didn't they

1174
00:59:51,827 --> 00:59:56,307
Speaker 2: didn't release Noah Hotham back to Tasman, and I just

1175
00:59:56,387 --> 00:59:59,667
Speaker 2: wondered at the time whether that might be because they

1176
01:00:00,707 --> 01:00:04,867
Speaker 2: wanted to avoid any any possible awkwardness with Christy having

1177
01:00:04,907 --> 01:00:06,867
Speaker 2: been dropped from the All Blacks and potentially dropped from

1178
01:00:06,907 --> 01:00:09,267
Speaker 2: the Tasman side as well. Just checking the team. Yeah,

1179
01:00:09,347 --> 01:00:12,027
Speaker 2: Christy's gonna start Noah Hope them off the bench and

1180
01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,627
Speaker 2: the Shield Challenge tomorrow. It's a good point you make, KB.

1181
01:00:15,387 --> 01:00:16,787
Speaker 2: You know, I think maybe we've forgotten a bit about

1182
01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:18,627
Speaker 2: from Lake Christie. Does he have a future in the

1183
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:21,907
Speaker 2: All Blacks. He may well, we'll see what happens on

1184
01:00:21,987 --> 01:00:25,467
Speaker 2: Monday at two o'clock. Thanks for taking the time to

1185
01:00:25,627 --> 01:00:30,627
Speaker 2: call in. It's twenty nine to two weekends. One of

1186
01:00:30,707 --> 01:00:34,347
Speaker 2: the undoubted stars of the Paris Olympic Games track cyclist

1187
01:00:34,507 --> 01:00:36,987
Speaker 2: Elise Andrew. She won gold first of all on the

1188
01:00:37,067 --> 01:00:38,147
Speaker 2: karen A Lap to Go.

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Speaker 17: Now Elise Andrews on the inside and but she's got

1190
01:00:40,987 --> 01:00:43,587
Speaker 17: the brick coming around. It's like said in the form

1191
01:00:43,627 --> 01:00:47,547
Speaker 17: of Finuken, the power goes on can Alise Andrews holders.

1192
01:00:47,627 --> 01:00:51,147
Speaker 17: She comes down towards the finishing line. Alise Andrews on

1193
01:00:51,307 --> 01:00:56,267
Speaker 17: the line. It looks like she's won gold. Aleise Andrews intense,

1194
01:00:56,627 --> 01:01:01,427
Speaker 17: incisive and vincible at the Paris Valodrome. Too much power

1195
01:01:01,707 --> 01:01:02,947
Speaker 17: and too much pinash.

1196
01:01:03,107 --> 01:01:05,027
Speaker 2: And then she went on to win gold again in

1197
01:01:05,107 --> 01:01:06,267
Speaker 2: the individual sprint.

1198
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Speaker 17: As Andrews cows up the track starting a move, they

1199
01:01:12,387 --> 01:01:17,347
Speaker 17: worked their way around of the home straight away goes

1200
01:01:17,347 --> 01:01:22,187
Speaker 17: Alise Andrews up against Leah Friedrich. Andrews comes around the bed.

1201
01:01:22,707 --> 01:01:25,067
Speaker 17: She's in control, no timely, a lot of of course.

1202
01:01:25,267 --> 01:01:27,827
Speaker 2: Now here she goes around the bed.

1203
01:01:27,907 --> 01:01:31,187
Speaker 17: Cancy pedals on your chapter in New Zealand cycling history.

1204
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Speaker 2: She can and less. Andrews is a Totle gold medalist

1205
01:01:35,587 --> 01:01:36,067
Speaker 2: in Paris.

1206
01:01:36,627 --> 01:01:38,947
Speaker 17: She completes her own after tree off.

1207
01:01:39,467 --> 01:01:42,627
Speaker 2: I love it from Andrew Ordison. Two golds for Elise Andrews,

1208
01:01:42,667 --> 01:01:46,907
Speaker 2: becoming the first woman to complete the sprint Kieren Olympic doubles.

1209
01:01:46,947 --> 01:01:50,587
Speaker 2: She was also part of the silver medal winning team sprint,

1210
01:01:50,747 --> 01:01:53,947
Speaker 2: so three medals in Paris. That was after she won

1211
01:01:54,067 --> 01:01:57,147
Speaker 2: silver and the Karen at the last Olympics in Tokyo,

1212
01:01:57,747 --> 01:02:00,587
Speaker 2: three golds and a silver at the twenty twenty two

1213
01:02:00,987 --> 01:02:05,187
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games and Karen gold and sprint bronze at the

1214
01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:08,907
Speaker 2: World Champs last year. Year what a hole Alie Andrews is, Well,

1215
01:02:09,067 --> 01:02:11,107
Speaker 2: she'll be running. You'll be running out of places to

1216
01:02:11,187 --> 01:02:15,427
Speaker 2: keep all your Medalshi.

1217
01:02:13,707 --> 01:02:14,627
Speaker 18: Thank you for having me.

1218
01:02:15,627 --> 01:02:17,667
Speaker 19: Yeah, I've been asked that qushion, Where am I going to?

1219
01:02:17,747 --> 01:02:19,347
Speaker 19: Where am I going to keep them? I'm still thinking

1220
01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:21,907
Speaker 19: on that, so we'll see, all right.

1221
01:02:22,267 --> 01:02:24,707
Speaker 2: With a few weeks to reflect back on Paris, what

1222
01:02:24,907 --> 01:02:26,627
Speaker 2: stands out the most when you think back?

1223
01:02:27,907 --> 01:02:30,467
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think it's it's really been quite nice having

1224
01:02:30,547 --> 01:02:33,387
Speaker 19: this time and space to really reflect on the games.

1225
01:02:33,427 --> 01:02:36,827
Speaker 19: And that's like quite a pattern for me. I feel historically,

1226
01:02:36,947 --> 01:02:39,107
Speaker 19: you know, just needing to take some time for myself

1227
01:02:39,147 --> 01:02:42,627
Speaker 19: to really think about think about the racing and reflects properly.

1228
01:02:42,707 --> 01:02:45,147
Speaker 19: So I'm really grateful to have had that time. And yeah,

1229
01:02:45,147 --> 01:02:47,627
Speaker 19: it's really special to look back. And I don't know

1230
01:02:47,707 --> 01:02:49,867
Speaker 19: if I can pay one memorable moment, but the whole

1231
01:02:49,907 --> 01:02:50,747
Speaker 19: thing was just crazy.

1232
01:02:51,147 --> 01:02:55,027
Speaker 2: What were your hopes, your expectations, your goals going into Paris?

1233
01:02:56,867 --> 01:02:59,547
Speaker 18: Yes, I knew it was going to be a massive week.

1234
01:03:00,147 --> 01:03:01,987
Speaker 19: You know, with six days of racing out of seven,

1235
01:03:02,507 --> 01:03:04,747
Speaker 19: it was going to be so tough, and so I

1236
01:03:04,827 --> 01:03:06,627
Speaker 19: knew that going in, So I really just wanted to

1237
01:03:06,747 --> 01:03:09,467
Speaker 19: race every race day as fast as I could. And

1238
01:03:09,547 --> 01:03:11,547
Speaker 19: you know, in the individual races, that meant that I'd

1239
01:03:11,667 --> 01:03:15,387
Speaker 19: be continuing to progress through the racing and hopefully make

1240
01:03:15,467 --> 01:03:17,787
Speaker 19: it to the finals and that top spot.

1241
01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:18,187
Speaker 18: As a dream.

1242
01:03:18,707 --> 01:03:21,227
Speaker 19: But with the team, you know, we were rarely wanting

1243
01:03:21,347 --> 01:03:23,467
Speaker 19: to hunt down a meddle, and we know that we

1244
01:03:23,827 --> 01:03:26,467
Speaker 19: could be there if we put our best performance forward,

1245
01:03:27,067 --> 01:03:28,787
Speaker 19: which we did on the day, and you know, getting

1246
01:03:28,827 --> 01:03:30,547
Speaker 19: that silver medal was very special.

1247
01:03:31,307 --> 01:03:33,667
Speaker 2: Did the order of the events suit too? And when

1248
01:03:33,707 --> 01:03:35,627
Speaker 2: you look back to the order in which they fell,

1249
01:03:35,707 --> 01:03:38,067
Speaker 2: did that actually plan in your favor or did it not?

1250
01:03:39,027 --> 01:03:39,907
Speaker 19: I feel like it doesn't.

1251
01:03:39,947 --> 01:03:41,667
Speaker 18: I mean, it's nice to have the team event first.

1252
01:03:41,747 --> 01:03:44,067
Speaker 19: I do actually really like the order, having the team

1253
01:03:44,147 --> 01:03:47,307
Speaker 19: event over one day and first, but the order of

1254
01:03:47,347 --> 01:03:50,787
Speaker 19: the individual events probably not. But maybe that's just because

1255
01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:53,867
Speaker 19: I'm used to it, Like I've raced that format a

1256
01:03:53,907 --> 01:03:57,507
Speaker 19: couple of times before Tokyo that the Karen was first

1257
01:03:57,547 --> 01:04:00,427
Speaker 19: and then this was second. Last year's Worlds was the same,

1258
01:04:00,547 --> 01:04:03,267
Speaker 19: and this year's Games was the same, so potentially I'm just.

1259
01:04:03,387 --> 01:04:03,707
Speaker 8: Used to it.

1260
01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:07,467
Speaker 2: The Karen, did you always feel and control once you

1261
01:04:07,547 --> 01:04:09,787
Speaker 2: got to the back end of the care and event?

1262
01:04:10,867 --> 01:04:11,067
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1263
01:04:11,187 --> 01:04:14,667
Speaker 19: Yeah, I felt really really calm and controlled throughout the

1264
01:04:14,707 --> 01:04:17,747
Speaker 19: whole competition. You know, maybe getting that first rack out

1265
01:04:17,747 --> 01:04:20,547
Speaker 19: other way is always quite a nice feeling, but you know,

1266
01:04:20,707 --> 01:04:22,867
Speaker 19: after that, I really did feel like I could just

1267
01:04:23,507 --> 01:04:25,827
Speaker 19: you know, sort of breathe and relax into my racing

1268
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:29,507
Speaker 19: and make the best decisions possible was what was happening

1269
01:04:29,587 --> 01:04:31,987
Speaker 19: around me, And so I did feel really calm and

1270
01:04:32,067 --> 01:04:34,947
Speaker 19: in control and I but obviously and coming into the final,

1271
01:04:35,027 --> 01:04:38,067
Speaker 19: that was just I just gave it absolutely everything I had.

1272
01:04:38,347 --> 01:04:40,507
Speaker 18: There was no control in the final.

1273
01:04:41,027 --> 01:04:43,627
Speaker 2: You just have to go full guests, Is that one

1274
01:04:43,667 --> 01:04:46,147
Speaker 2: of the one of the keys to it, to leaving

1275
01:04:46,267 --> 01:04:47,827
Speaker 2: enough in the tank that when it comes to that

1276
01:04:47,987 --> 01:04:50,427
Speaker 2: final you can just give it absolutely everything.

1277
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: I think if that's possible then yes. And that's something

1279
01:04:54,227 --> 01:04:56,827
Speaker 19: that I don't think I have done very well in

1280
01:04:56,907 --> 01:04:59,307
Speaker 19: the past. And I think that's just an age saying

1281
01:04:59,427 --> 01:05:02,387
Speaker 19: and experience is really kind of reading the race and

1282
01:05:02,947 --> 01:05:05,267
Speaker 19: you know, not using all of your energy to get

1283
01:05:05,307 --> 01:05:07,787
Speaker 19: to the finish line first. They are smart ways to race,

1284
01:05:08,267 --> 01:05:10,147
Speaker 19: and so that's kind of a change that I really

1285
01:05:10,187 --> 01:05:12,947
Speaker 19: did feel this games is that I could make those

1286
01:05:13,227 --> 01:05:16,107
Speaker 19: just tiny, tiny decisions that would I mean, they had

1287
01:05:16,107 --> 01:05:16,667
Speaker 19: a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: And if you left at the end, I think you

1289
01:05:18,827 --> 01:05:21,107
Speaker 2: were I presume this is true and you might be

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01:05:21,147 --> 01:05:22,867
Speaker 2: able to tell me that you were probably favorite for

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01:05:22,907 --> 01:05:26,787
Speaker 2: the Karen, did that give you any extra pressure or motivation?

1292
01:05:26,947 --> 01:05:29,107
Speaker 2: How did that make you feel that really people thought

1293
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Speaker 2: that you were the one who was going to be

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Speaker 2: on the top of the podium.

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Speaker 18: Oh, thank you? Maybe a little bit.

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Speaker 19: I think that also, I'm not sure because there were

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01:05:39,467 --> 01:05:41,827
Speaker 19: quite a few girls that we talked about for that

1298
01:05:41,947 --> 01:05:45,547
Speaker 19: sort of that glory top spot and so and it

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01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:47,827
Speaker 19: wasn't always it wasn't always me. So I feel like

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01:05:47,867 --> 01:05:51,267
Speaker 19: it wasn't crazy, crazy pressure at least I felt anyway,

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01:05:51,307 --> 01:05:56,027
Speaker 19: because realistically there were many girls that you know, could

1302
01:05:56,107 --> 01:05:59,347
Speaker 19: push for that top spot, and the media in different

1303
01:05:59,387 --> 01:06:01,307
Speaker 19: countries obviously were favoring their athletes.

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01:06:01,427 --> 01:06:05,427
Speaker 18: So yeah, so I didn't always feel that feel that pressure.

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01:06:05,707 --> 01:06:07,547
Speaker 2: What about the I mean, with all due respect, I'm

1306
01:06:07,547 --> 01:06:09,507
Speaker 2: not sure that you were absolute favorite for the sprint.

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01:06:09,547 --> 01:06:10,867
Speaker 2: You were probably one of the bunch. You were a

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01:06:10,907 --> 01:06:12,867
Speaker 2: bunch of one of a bunch of writers who may

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01:06:12,947 --> 01:06:14,427
Speaker 2: or may not be there. So how did you approach

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Speaker 2: the sprint.

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01:06:15,827 --> 01:06:19,587
Speaker 19: Yeah, I definitely wasn't a favorite, but you know, I

1312
01:06:19,667 --> 01:06:22,347
Speaker 19: approached it knowing that I needed to.

1313
01:06:22,587 --> 01:06:26,107
Speaker 18: Qualify further up the field than I have historically.

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01:06:26,267 --> 01:06:28,347
Speaker 19: So in the past, you know, I've sort of been

1315
01:06:28,347 --> 01:06:32,627
Speaker 19: around that maybe eighth to eleventh place qualifying from the

1316
01:06:32,667 --> 01:06:34,547
Speaker 19: two hundred, and then I've had to race my way

1317
01:06:35,027 --> 01:06:38,867
Speaker 19: up into into the top positions, which is a really

1318
01:06:38,947 --> 01:06:39,907
Speaker 19: tough way to do things.

1319
01:06:40,027 --> 01:06:41,667
Speaker 18: But you know, we've done a lot of work on

1320
01:06:41,747 --> 01:06:42,547
Speaker 18: that two hundred.

1321
01:06:42,387 --> 01:06:45,427
Speaker 19: In the last a little while, and so I knew

1322
01:06:45,467 --> 01:06:47,907
Speaker 19: that if I could get that right and nail that,

1323
01:06:48,147 --> 01:06:50,707
Speaker 19: then I would qualify further up in the field. So

1324
01:06:50,827 --> 01:06:53,307
Speaker 19: that was the first box to tick, and then from

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01:06:53,547 --> 01:06:55,507
Speaker 19: from that point on it was just you know, focusing

1326
01:06:55,787 --> 01:06:56,627
Speaker 19: one race at a time.

1327
01:06:56,747 --> 01:06:58,427
Speaker 18: And yeah, I wasn't a favorite.

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01:06:58,427 --> 01:07:03,267
Speaker 19: It was definitely an upset that I was in the

1329
01:07:03,307 --> 01:07:05,747
Speaker 19: final ahead of some of some of the other girls,

1330
01:07:05,787 --> 01:07:08,147
Speaker 19: but yeah, just the what it happens.

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01:07:08,707 --> 01:07:11,667
Speaker 2: I think some of my favorite images of Paris are

1332
01:07:11,707 --> 01:07:15,747
Speaker 2: you staring down Leah Friedrich before the sprint final. Do

1333
01:07:15,827 --> 01:07:19,387
Speaker 2: you do you enjoy that side of the event that

1334
01:07:19,707 --> 01:07:22,387
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it's psyching someone out or do

1335
01:07:22,427 --> 01:07:23,947
Speaker 2: you do you enjoy that sort of thing though?

1336
01:07:24,787 --> 01:07:27,867
Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean it is Sprinting is a bit interesting.

1337
01:07:28,907 --> 01:07:32,507
Speaker 18: Sport and interesting you know discipline, and you know that

1338
01:07:32,747 --> 01:07:33,587
Speaker 18: is part of it, and.

1339
01:07:33,627 --> 01:07:36,067
Speaker 19: I think it's not always just like freak someone out,

1340
01:07:36,147 --> 01:07:38,707
Speaker 19: you know, like I do have to have eyes on

1341
01:07:38,827 --> 01:07:40,547
Speaker 19: my opponent at all times, and I think for me

1342
01:07:40,627 --> 01:07:43,427
Speaker 19: that's like a nice mental switch is to have that

1343
01:07:44,907 --> 01:07:47,187
Speaker 19: have that moment where you roll up to the start

1344
01:07:47,267 --> 01:07:49,427
Speaker 19: line and you are looking at your opponent because that's

1345
01:07:49,467 --> 01:07:51,067
Speaker 19: what you're going to need to be doing to be

1346
01:07:51,147 --> 01:07:53,987
Speaker 19: aware of where they are on the track, and so that's.

1347
01:07:53,867 --> 01:07:54,187
Speaker 5: Part of it.

1348
01:07:54,307 --> 01:07:57,987
Speaker 19: But then also knowing that you know it is that

1349
01:07:58,147 --> 01:08:00,987
Speaker 19: sort of mental mental game side of it as well.

1350
01:08:01,147 --> 01:08:03,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Can you give us some insight

1351
01:08:03,067 --> 01:08:07,107
Speaker 2: into the influence of your coach, your dad John, Yeah, Oh.

1352
01:08:07,667 --> 01:08:08,267
Speaker 18: Yeah, for sure.

1353
01:08:08,427 --> 01:08:11,627
Speaker 19: He came on board less than a year before the

1354
01:08:11,747 --> 01:08:14,947
Speaker 19: Games after our previous coach, Neck had to move back

1355
01:08:14,987 --> 01:08:17,387
Speaker 19: to Australia with his family. So that was a real

1356
01:08:17,507 --> 01:08:23,107
Speaker 19: surprise and probably reasonably truthful at the time to think,

1357
01:08:23,267 --> 01:08:26,147
Speaker 19: you know, we are coach lest going into the Games.

1358
01:08:27,027 --> 01:08:29,467
Speaker 19: But you know, it just worked out really well that

1359
01:08:30,267 --> 01:08:33,667
Speaker 19: John had just been Australia coaching over there and then

1360
01:08:33,747 --> 01:08:35,467
Speaker 19: finally come back to New Zealand.

1361
01:08:35,147 --> 01:08:39,107
Speaker 18: And was working in an art consultant contractor role.

1362
01:08:39,187 --> 01:08:41,347
Speaker 19: Sorry, and so it just worked out that he was

1363
01:08:41,387 --> 01:08:44,707
Speaker 19: able to apply to the job and come on board.

1364
01:08:44,827 --> 01:08:46,987
Speaker 19: So yeah, it's been great to have him on board.

1365
01:08:48,067 --> 01:08:51,987
Speaker 19: It's been really special. It's been such whirlwind of a time,

1366
01:08:52,067 --> 01:08:55,267
Speaker 19: I think him coming on board, especially because of how

1367
01:08:55,387 --> 01:08:57,467
Speaker 19: late he came on and the piece, but I think

1368
01:08:57,507 --> 01:09:00,267
Speaker 19: we've been able to do some really great work together.

1369
01:09:00,467 --> 01:09:02,107
Speaker 2: Interesting I heard you call him John there? Is that

1370
01:09:02,187 --> 01:09:03,667
Speaker 2: what you do when he's coaching here? You don't call

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01:09:03,787 --> 01:09:04,107
Speaker 2: him dad?

1372
01:09:04,667 --> 01:09:05,227
Speaker 10: No, I don't.

1373
01:09:06,627 --> 01:09:08,547
Speaker 2: Is it an interesting dynamic though, because at the end

1374
01:09:08,547 --> 01:09:10,547
Speaker 2: of the day, he's your dad, you know, you're his daughter.

1375
01:09:12,547 --> 01:09:15,387
Speaker 2: Was he able to I don't know, be proud, but

1376
01:09:15,507 --> 01:09:17,387
Speaker 2: also be able to coach you in a way that

1377
01:09:17,507 --> 01:09:19,427
Speaker 2: that would you know, that would get the best out

1378
01:09:19,467 --> 01:09:19,627
Speaker 2: of you?

1379
01:09:20,587 --> 01:09:22,667
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, I think like when it comes to racing,

1380
01:09:22,747 --> 01:09:25,187
Speaker 19: like he's coaching me as a coach and that sort

1381
01:09:25,227 --> 01:09:28,267
Speaker 19: of celebration as a family comes afterwards. Just like all

1382
01:09:28,307 --> 01:09:30,947
Speaker 19: the other athletes, you know, they are track sided with

1383
01:09:31,067 --> 01:09:33,947
Speaker 19: their coach, and then later on, after they're finished warming

1384
01:09:34,027 --> 01:09:36,907
Speaker 19: down and throat testing and media and all of that

1385
01:09:37,267 --> 01:09:39,027
Speaker 19: is when you can actually celebrate with your family.

1386
01:09:39,107 --> 01:09:40,667
Speaker 18: So I think that was kind of how.

1387
01:09:40,667 --> 01:09:43,227
Speaker 19: It worked for us, is that, you know, obviously we

1388
01:09:43,547 --> 01:09:46,307
Speaker 19: were soaked to be there together, but it was sort.

1389
01:09:46,187 --> 01:09:49,027
Speaker 18: Of in that professional capacity until we could have.

1390
01:09:49,107 --> 01:09:51,227
Speaker 19: Some family time with you know, my mum and my

1391
01:09:51,347 --> 01:09:53,187
Speaker 19: partner and grandparents later on.

1392
01:09:53,547 --> 01:09:55,667
Speaker 2: Very cool. All right, So do you get a break

1393
01:09:55,747 --> 01:09:56,467
Speaker 2: and what's next?

1394
01:09:57,467 --> 01:10:00,307
Speaker 19: Yes, I do get a break, which is quite refreshing.

1395
01:10:00,347 --> 01:10:03,467
Speaker 19: It's been nice to be able to go home, to

1396
01:10:03,747 --> 01:10:06,067
Speaker 19: do a little bit of travel around the South Island

1397
01:10:06,187 --> 01:10:10,307
Speaker 19: and and visit some of my favorite places. And next

1398
01:10:10,587 --> 01:10:13,107
Speaker 19: I will be getting back into training properly on the

1399
01:10:13,187 --> 01:10:18,267
Speaker 19: track in October, and then I have a series cool

1400
01:10:18,347 --> 01:10:22,067
Speaker 19: Champions League in Europe over November December, so I'll be

1401
01:10:22,187 --> 01:10:23,867
Speaker 19: heading over to Europe November.

1402
01:10:24,027 --> 01:10:27,067
Speaker 2: All right, And do you have eyes on twenty twenty eight?

1403
01:10:28,067 --> 01:10:29,467
Speaker 6: Yes? I do, Yeah, I do.

1404
01:10:29,947 --> 01:10:32,107
Speaker 2: Excellent. I think that's all we need to know about

1405
01:10:32,147 --> 01:10:33,667
Speaker 2: that at the moment, right at the start of a

1406
01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:36,427
Speaker 2: new Olympic cycle. Alicia gave us some other way you

1407
01:10:36,507 --> 01:10:38,707
Speaker 2: gave us, citizen. Indeed, you gave us some amazing moments

1408
01:10:38,747 --> 01:10:41,787
Speaker 2: in Paris. Congratulations, all your hard work paid off. Thank

1409
01:10:41,827 --> 01:10:43,027
Speaker 2: you for taking the time for a chat.

1410
01:10:43,707 --> 01:10:44,507
Speaker 18: Thank you very much.

1411
01:10:44,747 --> 01:10:44,987
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1412
01:10:45,547 --> 01:10:48,907
Speaker 2: Alise Andrews. There Golden girl or one of them at

1413
01:10:48,947 --> 01:10:52,907
Speaker 2: the Paris Olympic Games. Good to know she's going around again.

1414
01:10:53,147 --> 01:10:55,387
Speaker 2: Who knows what she might achieve over the next four years.

1415
01:10:55,787 --> 01:10:58,507
Speaker 2: Two golds and a silver this time around. We don't know,

1416
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:00,267
Speaker 2: of course, where the track cycling will be at the

1417
01:11:00,267 --> 01:11:03,947
Speaker 2: Glasgow Commonwealth Games still to be decided, what the program

1418
01:11:04,027 --> 01:11:07,587
Speaker 2: will be there, but World Championship etc. She just seems

1419
01:11:07,707 --> 01:11:11,227
Speaker 2: like an absolute diamond, doesn't share. Alise Andrews and someone

1420
01:11:11,227 --> 01:11:13,547
Speaker 2: who's going to, I'm sure, enjoy a lot more success

1421
01:11:14,107 --> 01:11:18,147
Speaker 2: over the months and years ahead. Eighteen away from two,

1422
01:11:18,267 --> 01:11:19,987
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, come back and cross the Tasman.

1423
01:11:20,027 --> 01:11:23,387
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent in his regular slot.

1424
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Speaker 1: Up next, Don't get caught Offside Call eight hundred and

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01:11:26,507 --> 01:11:30,267
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ.

1426
01:11:30,467 --> 01:11:34,267
Speaker 1: Guvnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Sogs.

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01:11:34,067 --> 01:11:37,347
Speaker 2: NB one forty five fifteen minutes gone, second half far

1428
01:11:37,427 --> 01:11:40,347
Speaker 2: a Palma Cup Premiership Final Canterbury lead Way Cuttle twenty

1429
01:11:40,427 --> 01:11:45,307
Speaker 2: two seventeen. This is going to be an exciting final

1430
01:11:45,427 --> 01:11:48,747
Speaker 2: quarter or final twenty five minutes of that game in Hamilton.

1431
01:11:48,827 --> 01:11:52,187
Speaker 2: Andrew on texays. In my view, Elise should win New

1432
01:11:52,267 --> 01:11:54,907
Speaker 2: Zealand sports Person of the Year at the Hallberg's. Her

1433
01:11:54,947 --> 01:11:58,147
Speaker 2: performance was totally dominant in a major global sport. She

1434
01:11:58,387 --> 01:12:02,227
Speaker 2: was so much better than her opponents. Andrew at such

1435
01:12:02,227 --> 01:12:05,027
Speaker 2: an interesting point Sportswoman of the Year, I mean, good

1436
01:12:05,107 --> 01:12:11,427
Speaker 2: luck picking that, right, Alice Andrews, Dame Lisa Carrington, Lydia Coe.

1437
01:12:12,387 --> 01:12:16,227
Speaker 2: How do you separate those three? They've all had absolutely

1438
01:12:16,347 --> 01:12:21,587
Speaker 2: spectacular years. So yeah, it almost seems unfair to choose

1439
01:12:21,667 --> 01:12:25,587
Speaker 2: one over the others. But you feel as though whoever

1440
01:12:25,667 --> 01:12:28,707
Speaker 2: wins Sportswoman of the Year may well win the Supreme Helburg.

1441
01:12:29,147 --> 01:12:32,627
Speaker 2: That's for others to decide, not for us to decide. Thankfully,

1442
01:12:33,067 --> 01:12:35,987
Speaker 2: let's get across the Tasman. Australian correspondent Adam Peacocker's with

1443
01:12:36,107 --> 01:12:40,787
Speaker 2: us RL Grand Final tomorrow night, Adam Storm v. Panthers,

1444
01:12:41,267 --> 01:12:44,947
Speaker 2: the clash we always thought we'd get the one we wanted.

1445
01:12:44,947 --> 01:12:45,507
Speaker 2: Who wins this.

1446
01:12:47,147 --> 01:12:47,347
Speaker 5: Well.

1447
01:12:47,427 --> 01:12:52,027
Speaker 13: Foot to the coin generally is piney, good afternoon. It's

1448
01:12:52,067 --> 01:12:55,747
Speaker 13: really tough to cut through it because penris of I mean,

1449
01:12:55,787 --> 01:12:57,747
Speaker 13: they're in their sixth straight Grand Finals and for their

1450
01:12:57,827 --> 01:13:00,467
Speaker 13: fourth straight, when Melbourne have all of a sudden revitalized

1451
01:13:00,467 --> 01:13:04,427
Speaker 13: themselves in are playing some really quick attacking footage. So

1452
01:13:04,827 --> 01:13:07,307
Speaker 13: you've got the one have been there, done that, the

1453
01:13:07,387 --> 01:13:09,187
Speaker 13: ones that look like they're about to go there and

1454
01:13:09,307 --> 01:13:12,707
Speaker 13: do that, And it's really difficult to match out because

1455
01:13:12,747 --> 01:13:14,707
Speaker 13: they even each other out so well.

1456
01:13:14,947 --> 01:13:16,467
Speaker 9: They're so good that they're clearly that.

1457
01:13:16,467 --> 01:13:20,307
Speaker 13: There's two teams. So I'm just leaning towards Penrith by

1458
01:13:20,387 --> 01:13:23,107
Speaker 13: virtue of the fact that they can sorry Melbourne by

1459
01:13:23,227 --> 01:13:24,907
Speaker 13: virtue of the fact that they can play a little

1460
01:13:24,907 --> 01:13:26,307
Speaker 13: bit quick. I see, there you go. I haven't even

1461
01:13:26,307 --> 01:13:30,307
Speaker 13: confused about Manu. It's that close. But it should be

1462
01:13:30,307 --> 01:13:31,667
Speaker 13: a great game of footy, and it's going to be

1463
01:13:31,707 --> 01:13:33,267
Speaker 13: dry as well. You know what I say about dry

1464
01:13:33,267 --> 01:13:36,387
Speaker 13: whether footage ten times better than wet weather footage. So yeah,

1465
01:13:36,427 --> 01:13:38,187
Speaker 13: this will be a spectacle this will be a damn

1466
01:13:38,227 --> 01:13:40,627
Speaker 13: good game of regular league, just on the fact that they.

1467
01:13:40,547 --> 01:13:42,907
Speaker 2: Are clearly the two best sides. How big is the

1468
01:13:42,987 --> 01:13:45,107
Speaker 2: gat back? Because I mean the Storm gave it to

1469
01:13:45,187 --> 01:13:48,067
Speaker 2: the Roosters, you know, last weekend, and the Rooster's not

1470
01:13:48,187 --> 01:13:51,387
Speaker 2: a bad side, but they're nowhere near clearly nowhere near

1471
01:13:51,387 --> 01:13:53,547
Speaker 2: the Storm, probably no where near the Panthers. How big

1472
01:13:53,707 --> 01:13:55,067
Speaker 2: is the gat back from these two?

1473
01:13:55,667 --> 01:13:58,227
Speaker 13: I reckon that these two play any other team, they

1474
01:13:58,307 --> 01:14:00,467
Speaker 13: beat them nine times out of ten at the moment.

1475
01:14:00,547 --> 01:14:03,067
Speaker 13: That's how significant I think it is when when the

1476
01:14:03,107 --> 01:14:06,187
Speaker 13: stakes are high, like a Grand Final qualifier, that's how

1477
01:14:06,627 --> 01:14:08,507
Speaker 13: that's how big it is at the moment. And there

1478
01:14:08,547 --> 01:14:11,347
Speaker 13: are a few factors why it's happened like that, but

1479
01:14:11,627 --> 01:14:14,187
Speaker 13: it's it's good that it's there's two of them and

1480
01:14:14,347 --> 01:14:17,027
Speaker 13: not like just one of them and everyone's just rocking

1481
01:14:17,067 --> 01:14:19,267
Speaker 13: up to a Grand Final tom I thinking, well, can

1482
01:14:19,307 --> 01:14:22,427
Speaker 13: I keep it within twenty? That's not the case. So yeah,

1483
01:14:22,547 --> 01:14:24,827
Speaker 13: clearly the best too. And we get it's like a

1484
01:14:24,867 --> 01:14:27,347
Speaker 13: title fight almost. It's yeah, you know, you just want

1485
01:14:27,347 --> 01:14:29,427
Speaker 13: to say it happened and start.

1486
01:14:29,387 --> 01:14:32,467
Speaker 2: Yep, can't wait for tomorrow night. Okay, Women's t twenty

1487
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Speaker 2: Cricket World Cup. I'm sure you've caught up with the

1488
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Speaker 2: news that the White Ferns beat into your hair opening match.

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Speaker 2: Australia have won the last three of these. Is your

1490
01:14:39,787 --> 01:14:41,067
Speaker 2: confident they'll make it four.

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01:14:42,707 --> 01:14:45,627
Speaker 13: Without being arrogant? How can you not be? Because they've

1492
01:14:45,667 --> 01:14:48,587
Speaker 13: got they've got such well balanced side and sometimes it

1493
01:14:48,627 --> 01:14:51,267
Speaker 13: doesn't quite work out looks like that. I mean, look,

1494
01:14:51,547 --> 01:14:53,547
Speaker 13: Meg Lanning has given the game one. I think one

1495
01:14:53,627 --> 01:14:58,107
Speaker 13: by one, these big players like Alisa Healey, who all

1496
01:14:58,107 --> 01:15:00,947
Speaker 13: worked with over here in Australia and she's magnificent, and

1497
01:15:01,107 --> 01:15:03,787
Speaker 13: Keen the captain this side, Alise Perry, one by one

1498
01:15:03,867 --> 01:15:07,227
Speaker 13: doll dripped away in the next four to five years.

1499
01:15:07,267 --> 01:15:09,747
Speaker 13: But we've got this undercurrent coming through and it's because

1500
01:15:09,747 --> 01:15:14,107
Speaker 13: we've got such a strong WBBL the domestic Women's Tea

1501
01:15:14,147 --> 01:15:17,107
Speaker 13: twenty competition that runs here in early summer, and I

1502
01:15:17,187 --> 01:15:21,267
Speaker 13: think New Zealand have benefited from that particular competition. We

1503
01:15:21,307 --> 01:15:23,547
Speaker 13: see Sophy Devine over here all the time emearly occur

1504
01:15:23,667 --> 01:15:26,027
Speaker 13: as a big addition to the Sydney Sixers, and they're

1505
01:15:26,387 --> 01:15:28,707
Speaker 13: two of the KeyWe's best players. And look what they've

1506
01:15:28,707 --> 01:15:31,547
Speaker 13: done to India. Overnight, so and India send players here

1507
01:15:31,587 --> 01:15:34,507
Speaker 13: as well. So I think Australia's depth is their key,

1508
01:15:34,627 --> 01:15:36,787
Speaker 13: and they've got selection issues who to lead out and

1509
01:15:36,827 --> 01:15:39,027
Speaker 13: that's the dam good problem. So they play shal Anchor

1510
01:15:39,067 --> 01:15:40,427
Speaker 13: first up. They've got to get out of that. They've

1511
01:15:40,427 --> 01:15:43,187
Speaker 13: got to get going. Should be okay in that one.

1512
01:15:43,267 --> 01:15:45,107
Speaker 13: But yeah, really happy for the Kiwei's and it blows

1513
01:15:45,147 --> 01:15:47,427
Speaker 13: the tournament wide open because India are expected to be

1514
01:15:47,787 --> 01:15:51,427
Speaker 13: with Australia there at the finish. But that's massive, especially

1515
01:15:51,467 --> 01:15:52,427
Speaker 13: with that run rate as well.

1516
01:15:52,547 --> 01:15:55,547
Speaker 2: Indeed, and Australia against New Zealand early as of Wednesday

1517
01:15:55,587 --> 01:15:58,747
Speaker 2: morning as well, so we'll look forward to that one. Another.

1518
01:15:58,787 --> 01:16:01,027
Speaker 2: One of your female teams are the absolute juggernaught that

1519
01:16:01,147 --> 01:16:03,867
Speaker 2: is the Matilda's football team. I've got a change of coach,

1520
01:16:04,387 --> 01:16:08,667
Speaker 2: Tony Gustafson replaced in an inter or placed an interim charge.

1521
01:16:08,667 --> 01:16:11,067
Speaker 2: You'll replaced an interim charge by Tom Somani, who of

1522
01:16:11,107 --> 01:16:13,347
Speaker 2: course was in charge of our football firms for a while.

1523
01:16:13,947 --> 01:16:16,547
Speaker 2: Who are the favorites for the permanent role as head

1524
01:16:16,587 --> 01:16:18,067
Speaker 2: coach of the Matilda's moving forward.

1525
01:16:18,707 --> 01:16:19,427
Speaker 6: There's no one yet.

1526
01:16:19,467 --> 01:16:19,667
Speaker 11: Pine.

1527
01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:22,627
Speaker 13: It's really weird that I think they're happy to really

1528
01:16:22,707 --> 01:16:26,947
Speaker 13: take their time because there's no qualifiers on the horizon,

1529
01:16:26,987 --> 01:16:29,787
Speaker 13: there's no tournament on the horizon that there will be

1530
01:16:29,947 --> 01:16:32,067
Speaker 13: soon there'll be in a women's Asian Cup to really

1531
01:16:32,107 --> 01:16:34,427
Speaker 13: play for. But the Tommy Somani and I don't know,

1532
01:16:34,427 --> 01:16:36,547
Speaker 13: if you got to know him, he's one of the

1533
01:16:36,667 --> 01:16:38,787
Speaker 13: best blokes going around. He would just take the air

1534
01:16:38,867 --> 01:16:40,587
Speaker 13: out of the room. You know, you just get every

1535
01:16:40,707 --> 01:16:43,827
Speaker 13: under the chill out. You'll get everyone on the same page. Look,

1536
01:16:43,827 --> 01:16:46,707
Speaker 13: a lot of these players, like the Sam Kurk, Caitlin Ford.

1537
01:16:47,187 --> 01:16:51,027
Speaker 13: Tom gave the Matilda's debutsu in his first first crack

1538
01:16:51,067 --> 01:16:53,507
Speaker 13: at Matilda's coach. So I mean, it could work out

1539
01:16:54,387 --> 01:16:56,547
Speaker 13: that the whole squad just love working under time and

1540
01:16:56,587 --> 01:16:59,147
Speaker 13: they bring in another assistant who you know might be

1541
01:16:59,267 --> 01:17:02,187
Speaker 13: more modern and not calling Tom not modern, but like

1542
01:17:02,867 --> 01:17:05,707
Speaker 13: a younger freshman face to be the assistant, and Tom

1543
01:17:05,787 --> 01:17:08,147
Speaker 13: might be to pick ahead and oversee things that that

1544
01:17:08,307 --> 01:17:10,627
Speaker 13: might be the way they go, or they do actually

1545
01:17:10,627 --> 01:17:14,987
Speaker 13: get someone in of international recognition. There's no real candidates

1546
01:17:15,027 --> 01:17:17,227
Speaker 13: from the women's game here in Australia. They could go

1547
01:17:17,387 --> 01:17:20,027
Speaker 13: men an excell Untilda won't mention her name, but she said,

1548
01:17:20,027 --> 01:17:21,867
Speaker 13: why don't we go for someone like a John Ala Wissy,

1549
01:17:22,427 --> 01:17:25,627
Speaker 13: which you know, okay, someone from the men's game to

1550
01:17:25,747 --> 01:17:27,987
Speaker 13: come over. So we'll wait and see. But I think

1551
01:17:28,027 --> 01:17:29,827
Speaker 13: all options are still on the table, and they're really

1552
01:17:29,827 --> 01:17:30,387
Speaker 13: going to take.

1553
01:17:30,227 --> 01:17:31,907
Speaker 2: That time with this one, as you just before you

1554
01:17:31,987 --> 01:17:34,347
Speaker 2: go the men's side, Tony Popovitch and charged there now,

1555
01:17:34,427 --> 01:17:36,867
Speaker 2: of course, of the soccer us named his first squad

1556
01:17:36,867 --> 01:17:39,787
Speaker 2: in the last couple of days. How has his appointment

1557
01:17:39,907 --> 01:17:42,587
Speaker 2: been been received after you know, sort of a week

1558
01:17:42,707 --> 01:17:45,707
Speaker 2: or so of time since the announcement was made.

1559
01:17:46,227 --> 01:17:48,427
Speaker 13: Yeah, and in eighties first squad yesterday, So bringing back

1560
01:17:48,467 --> 01:17:52,507
Speaker 13: plays by mass Lolongo and giving young mission for Looplay

1561
01:17:52,587 --> 01:17:54,747
Speaker 13: from Melbourn victory. A player that you've obviously sent a

1562
01:17:54,787 --> 01:17:57,747
Speaker 13: few times over there, Pioney given his chance in a

1563
01:17:57,827 --> 01:18:00,027
Speaker 13: soccer has squed. So a few changes, a few adjustments,

1564
01:18:00,067 --> 01:18:04,347
Speaker 13: but nothing holds are Yeah, like it's hard, it's hard

1565
01:18:04,387 --> 01:18:06,467
Speaker 13: to bag. It's not as if we're riding on the

1566
01:18:06,507 --> 01:18:09,707
Speaker 13: streets about this appointment. It's fine. He was the next

1567
01:18:10,227 --> 01:18:13,827
Speaker 13: next cab off. He was without a club job. He

1568
01:18:13,987 --> 01:18:16,907
Speaker 13: was easy access. He loves the soccer, as he's made

1569
01:18:16,947 --> 01:18:19,907
Speaker 13: that very very clear in his press conference yesterday, says

1570
01:18:19,947 --> 01:18:21,747
Speaker 13: I'm not doing sales pitches the players. If they want

1571
01:18:21,747 --> 01:18:24,067
Speaker 13: to play, they make themselves available, then it's up to

1572
01:18:24,107 --> 01:18:25,867
Speaker 13: meet a picking. But I'm not just going to ring

1573
01:18:25,947 --> 01:18:27,867
Speaker 13: up people and say please play for me. It's not

1574
01:18:27,907 --> 01:18:28,347
Speaker 13: going to happen.

1575
01:18:28,467 --> 01:18:29,547
Speaker 11: So I like that.

1576
01:18:29,747 --> 01:18:30,147
Speaker 8: I like that.

1577
01:18:30,387 --> 01:18:32,587
Speaker 13: So yeah, and he's brought in some soccer's experience with

1578
01:18:32,627 --> 01:18:35,027
Speaker 13: Hayden fouls and Paul O'Connors and his assistance as well.

1579
01:18:35,187 --> 01:18:37,747
Speaker 13: So I mean we'll waiting see you. I mean they've

1580
01:18:37,787 --> 01:18:40,347
Speaker 13: got Japan away as their second match. I think judgment

1581
01:18:40,347 --> 01:18:41,867
Speaker 13: will be cast after that one next week.

1582
01:18:42,027 --> 01:18:44,227
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it's great chatting Australian sport with you, Adam.

1583
01:18:44,267 --> 01:18:46,387
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time. We'll do it again next Saturday.

1584
01:18:46,827 --> 01:18:47,867
Speaker 13: Good funny one.

1585
01:18:47,947 --> 01:18:49,907
Speaker 2: You have a good one too, mate. Thanks indeed, Adam Peacock.

1586
01:18:49,947 --> 01:18:53,067
Speaker 2: There our regular Australian correspondent with matters from across the

1587
01:18:53,107 --> 01:18:55,747
Speaker 2: Tasman just on the NRL Grand Final. We're going to

1588
01:18:55,787 --> 01:18:59,827
Speaker 2: give this a firm focus on the show tomorrow. Going

1589
01:18:59,867 --> 01:19:03,707
Speaker 2: to check to Tawara Nikow of course, former Melbourne Storm player,

1590
01:19:03,787 --> 01:19:06,907
Speaker 2: one of our greats, and Ryan Girdler who was a

1591
01:19:07,027 --> 01:19:10,987
Speaker 2: very prominent member of Penrith Panthers teams in years gone by,

1592
01:19:11,227 --> 01:19:13,747
Speaker 2: So yet, don't worry, we will give full focus to

1593
01:19:13,827 --> 01:19:17,027
Speaker 2: the NRL Grand Final on the show tomorrow. Whykut, I've

1594
01:19:17,067 --> 01:19:19,187
Speaker 2: just kicked a penalty so with eighteen minutes to go

1595
01:19:19,627 --> 01:19:22,307
Speaker 2: they led Canterbury twenty seven twenty two in the Farah

1596
01:19:22,347 --> 01:21:46,907
Speaker 2: Palmer Cup Premiership Final. Forums on that and coaching guru

1597
01:21:46,987 --> 01:21:50,107
Speaker 2: Wayne Goldsmith on what the best way to conduct an

1598
01:21:50,227 --> 01:21:52,307
Speaker 2: end of season reviewers? What are the things you should

1599
01:21:52,307 --> 01:21:54,307
Speaker 2: look at? What are the things you shouldn't bother with?

1600
01:21:54,867 --> 01:21:58,227
Speaker 2: And why do we do reviews at all? Shouldn't teams

1601
01:21:58,307 --> 01:22:02,667
Speaker 2: and organizations be constantly monitoring their performance? Why do we

1602
01:22:02,747 --> 01:22:04,907
Speaker 2: have them at the end of the year. All that

1603
01:22:05,027 --> 01:22:08,307
Speaker 2: to come lines of communication open, oh, eight hundred and

1604
01:22:08,347 --> 01:22:10,467
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty for a phone called nineteen ninety two

1605
01:22:10,467 --> 01:22:13,267
Speaker 2: for a text nine past two, As we always do

1606
01:22:13,627 --> 01:22:15,907
Speaker 2: at around about this time on weekend sport. It's trying

1607
01:22:15,947 --> 01:22:20,067
Speaker 2: to fire up the rocky music and bring you up

1608
01:22:20,107 --> 01:22:21,787
Speaker 2: today with some of the stuff that might have escaped

1609
01:22:21,827 --> 01:22:24,187
Speaker 2: your attention. We call it in cash. Mister any McDonald

1610
01:22:24,187 --> 01:22:27,947
Speaker 2: puts it together every Saturday and Sunday and we start

1611
01:22:28,027 --> 01:22:31,867
Speaker 2: in the Australian National Basketball League, Melbourne United picking up

1612
01:22:31,947 --> 01:22:34,987
Speaker 2: a berg win over the Perth Wildcats, writing some hot

1613
01:22:35,067 --> 01:22:38,347
Speaker 2: shooting from former NBA player Ian Clark. Is Clark at

1614
01:22:38,387 --> 01:22:40,587
Speaker 2: the other end thoughts.

1615
01:22:39,867 --> 01:22:44,187
Speaker 14: Class Yeah, absolutely as Clark is once again rocking and rolling.

1616
01:22:44,307 --> 01:22:47,587
Speaker 2: This is an annihilation at the moment. Ninety seven sixty

1617
01:22:47,627 --> 01:22:50,387
Speaker 2: eight Melbourne United getting the win closer to home. The

1618
01:22:50,467 --> 01:22:54,107
Speaker 2: Tacomata with Queens have become our have begun rather our

1619
01:22:54,107 --> 01:22:57,427
Speaker 2: women's competition to eat heat and winning fashion against the

1620
01:22:57,627 --> 01:23:00,587
Speaker 2: Southern hoy halk Look at this splitting the gap park

1621
01:23:02,267 --> 01:23:07,307
Speaker 2: out through hard back to back bath into the Queen's

1622
01:23:07,467 --> 01:23:11,107
Speaker 2: huge seventy three sixty eight The Tocamana were Queen's winning

1623
01:23:11,147 --> 01:23:14,347
Speaker 2: that one to the Bunnings end. PC Otago have kept

1624
01:23:14,387 --> 01:23:17,547
Speaker 2: their hopes of playoff rugby alive against Northlands goes back

1625
01:23:17,587 --> 01:23:20,747
Speaker 2: to Hasty. Hasty gives it to Miller who kicks it

1626
01:23:20,867 --> 01:23:21,427
Speaker 2: into touch.

1627
01:23:21,787 --> 01:23:26,427
Speaker 13: Came over and Otago have done what they set out

1628
01:23:26,547 --> 01:23:31,107
Speaker 13: to do and they are into the eights momentarily.

1629
01:23:30,507 --> 01:23:32,467
Speaker 2: Yet thirty one twenty eight winners. They wait for the

1630
01:23:32,547 --> 01:23:34,427
Speaker 2: rest of the results to see if they'll play quarter

1631
01:23:34,467 --> 01:23:38,587
Speaker 2: final rugby to the NFL. The Atlanta Falcons have managed

1632
01:23:38,627 --> 01:23:42,387
Speaker 2: to steal a win from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's fired,

1633
01:23:42,507 --> 01:23:46,147
Speaker 2: that's caught, and that is harge and Harje is going

1634
01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:50,707
Speaker 2: to take it to the end zone. The most improbable

1635
01:23:50,787 --> 01:23:54,707
Speaker 2: win for the Atlanta Falcons. Thirty six points to thirty

1636
01:23:54,867 --> 01:23:57,627
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons winning that one to the T twenty

1637
01:23:57,667 --> 01:24:00,867
Speaker 2: Cricket World Cup for Women. South Africa starting their campaign

1638
01:24:00,987 --> 01:24:04,827
Speaker 2: with a ten wicket win over the West Indies. We'll

1639
01:24:04,907 --> 01:24:06,547
Speaker 2: fight it drives and.

1640
01:24:06,627 --> 01:24:08,947
Speaker 13: As you would expect, she drives to finish the game

1641
01:24:09,027 --> 01:24:10,347
Speaker 13: for South Africa and get.

1642
01:24:10,227 --> 01:24:13,987
Speaker 2: A crucial two points in Group B and a football.

1643
01:24:14,067 --> 01:24:17,547
Speaker 2: A late goal has allowed Manchester United to escape Porto

1644
01:24:18,027 --> 01:24:21,427
Speaker 2: with a drawer in the Europa League corner.

1645
01:24:21,587 --> 01:24:26,747
Speaker 7: A thunder attender from Harry McGuire, boy Manchester United needed.

1646
01:24:26,867 --> 01:24:31,907
Speaker 2: That's quite a night in Porto. It's back to back

1647
01:24:31,987 --> 01:24:34,227
Speaker 2: DAWs to start the Europa League campaign.

1648
01:24:33,867 --> 01:24:34,787
Speaker 6: For man fifty nine.

1649
01:24:35,787 --> 01:24:38,387
Speaker 1: The School from the drag Field and the Court on

1650
01:24:38,547 --> 01:24:42,667
Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News Talks.

1651
01:24:42,707 --> 01:24:46,947
Speaker 19: In B, the White Ferns have broken the ten game

1652
01:24:47,067 --> 01:24:51,547
Speaker 19: losing streak with an essential victory against India innd.

1653
01:24:51,707 --> 01:24:54,747
Speaker 2: The White Ferns have recorded a comprehens of fifty eight

1654
01:24:54,907 --> 01:24:56,947
Speaker 2: run win over India in their opening match at the

1655
01:24:56,987 --> 01:25:00,107
Speaker 2: T twenty World Cup in Shaja, New Zealand made one

1656
01:25:00,227 --> 01:25:03,627
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty for four in their twenty overs, Sophie

1657
01:25:03,627 --> 01:25:06,267
Speaker 2: Devine leading the way with an unbeaten fifty seven off

1658
01:25:06,347 --> 01:25:10,307
Speaker 2: thirty six deliveries. India bowled out for one hundred and two,

1659
01:25:11,027 --> 01:25:14,507
Speaker 2: Rosemary Mayor taking four wickets and lea to who who three?

1660
01:25:14,907 --> 01:25:17,107
Speaker 2: Let's bring in former White Ferns all round are in

1661
01:25:17,227 --> 01:25:20,827
Speaker 2: sixty matches across T twenty and One Day International formats.

1662
01:25:20,867 --> 01:25:24,387
Speaker 2: Now commentator and cricket analyst Frankie McKay. Frankie, thanks for

1663
01:25:24,467 --> 01:25:28,027
Speaker 2: joining us. This looks really convincing. One sixty for four

1664
01:25:28,667 --> 01:25:30,907
Speaker 2: plays one hundred and two all out. Did you see

1665
01:25:30,987 --> 01:25:34,667
Speaker 2: this coming after ten straight defeats for the White Ferns

1666
01:25:34,707 --> 01:25:35,307
Speaker 2: in this format?

1667
01:25:36,627 --> 01:25:39,187
Speaker 15: Yeah, I actually will will admit that.

1668
01:25:39,307 --> 01:25:39,507
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1669
01:25:39,587 --> 01:25:42,387
Speaker 15: I had a little inkling there that it could be

1670
01:25:42,947 --> 01:25:45,307
Speaker 15: a successful game for the White Suns. I just thought

1671
01:25:45,427 --> 01:25:48,227
Speaker 15: with the way that they played in Australia, I thought

1672
01:25:48,227 --> 01:25:51,507
Speaker 15: there were lots of good signs in the T twenty

1673
01:25:51,547 --> 01:25:53,387
Speaker 15: games leading it to this world cut. I think then

1674
01:25:53,507 --> 01:25:55,067
Speaker 15: the way they went into their warm up games, I

1675
01:25:55,107 --> 01:25:57,347
Speaker 15: think there were lots of positives and I actually reckoned

1676
01:25:57,347 --> 01:25:58,947
Speaker 15: from from having a look at those warm up games.

1677
01:25:58,947 --> 01:26:00,787
Speaker 15: I saw the opposite in India. I think they looked

1678
01:26:00,787 --> 01:26:03,027
Speaker 15: a little underdone. I think they looked a little rusty,

1679
01:26:03,587 --> 01:26:05,227
Speaker 15: and they've kind of come out and they've said, this

1680
01:26:05,347 --> 01:26:07,147
Speaker 15: is our best T twenty two ever. We've got a

1681
01:26:07,187 --> 01:26:09,547
Speaker 15: sports cycle on board now, we are so prepared to

1682
01:26:09,627 --> 01:26:11,987
Speaker 15: have a crack at this and I just thought, actually,

1683
01:26:12,467 --> 01:26:15,507
Speaker 15: I think that potentially they're anything but So it really

1684
01:26:15,587 --> 01:26:18,667
Speaker 15: felt like the New Zealand side were in a really

1685
01:26:18,707 --> 01:26:20,147
Speaker 15: good place to be able to try and take them

1686
01:26:20,187 --> 01:26:22,267
Speaker 15: on right from game one, and I think they did.

1687
01:26:22,347 --> 01:26:24,827
Speaker 15: They came out with great intent, openers put on a

1688
01:26:24,907 --> 01:26:27,627
Speaker 15: really good partnership to get things started. India looked rattled

1689
01:26:27,667 --> 01:26:29,787
Speaker 15: and the really pleasing thing for me with that New

1690
01:26:29,867 --> 01:26:31,827
Speaker 15: Zealand side is they just didn't take the foot off

1691
01:26:31,827 --> 01:26:33,747
Speaker 15: the throats. They just did not give an inch back.

1692
01:26:33,867 --> 01:26:36,707
Speaker 15: So really for me, really really pleasing science to kick

1693
01:26:36,787 --> 01:26:37,147
Speaker 15: things off.

1694
01:26:37,427 --> 01:26:40,587
Speaker 2: Sophie Devine was fairly bullish in the postmatch press conference,

1695
01:26:40,627 --> 01:26:43,747
Speaker 2: insisting they've been playing this way and not getting the results.

1696
01:26:44,107 --> 01:26:46,227
Speaker 2: Is that valid Frankie or did something change?

1697
01:26:48,027 --> 01:26:50,787
Speaker 15: I think there's a little bit of validity to it.

1698
01:26:50,867 --> 01:26:53,507
Speaker 15: I think that the way that they have worked over

1699
01:26:53,547 --> 01:26:55,187
Speaker 15: the last year or two on how they want to

1700
01:26:55,187 --> 01:26:58,107
Speaker 15: play cricket has They've been really strong in their ideas

1701
01:26:58,347 --> 01:26:59,987
Speaker 15: on what they want to do. And I think it's

1702
01:26:59,987 --> 01:27:02,547
Speaker 15: always hard because they haven't been necessarily actually gone out

1703
01:27:02,547 --> 01:27:04,467
Speaker 15: and played that well. And so I think the ideas

1704
01:27:04,507 --> 01:27:06,507
Speaker 15: have been there of how they want to play, how

1705
01:27:06,507 --> 01:27:08,227
Speaker 15: they want to take the game on, but they just

1706
01:27:08,307 --> 01:27:10,547
Speaker 15: haven't actually been able to execute it. So I think

1707
01:27:10,587 --> 01:27:12,427
Speaker 15: it takes a really strong team to be able to

1708
01:27:12,867 --> 01:27:14,947
Speaker 15: cop some of the criticism and deal with some of

1709
01:27:14,987 --> 01:27:18,227
Speaker 15: the outside noise around the results and how things are going,

1710
01:27:18,307 --> 01:27:20,187
Speaker 15: and actually be able to kind of stick to script

1711
01:27:20,307 --> 01:27:23,147
Speaker 15: and stick to that. They know that when they play well,

1712
01:27:23,227 --> 01:27:24,827
Speaker 15: this is what the performance is going to look like,

1713
01:27:24,947 --> 01:27:26,707
Speaker 15: and it's just trying to put those things in place.

1714
01:27:26,867 --> 01:27:29,707
Speaker 15: So I think it can be a little hard at

1715
01:27:29,747 --> 01:27:32,587
Speaker 15: times to justify that to the outside world. I think

1716
01:27:32,627 --> 01:27:35,867
Speaker 15: it's hard when you're not winning games to keep saying, well,

1717
01:27:35,867 --> 01:27:37,827
Speaker 15: actually we're doing the right stuff, We're training really hard

1718
01:27:37,867 --> 01:27:40,067
Speaker 15: we're taking all the right boxes. We know this performance

1719
01:27:40,147 --> 01:27:42,987
Speaker 15: is there, but no one else sees it quite yet.

1720
01:27:43,027 --> 01:27:45,307
Speaker 15: So I think really good for them. And it's just

1721
01:27:45,347 --> 01:27:46,907
Speaker 15: a little bit of self belief as well. You know,

1722
01:27:47,307 --> 01:27:50,707
Speaker 15: you winning is a habit. If you continue to lose

1723
01:27:50,747 --> 01:27:52,707
Speaker 15: those games, that will chip away a bit as a

1724
01:27:52,787 --> 01:27:54,987
Speaker 15: self belief. So the fact that they are able to

1725
01:27:55,027 --> 01:27:57,187
Speaker 15: get a win and a big win to start things off,

1726
01:27:57,507 --> 01:27:59,707
Speaker 15: I mean, I think they're in a really good place,

1727
01:27:59,747 --> 01:28:01,427
Speaker 15: and I actually think that team knows they're in a

1728
01:28:01,507 --> 01:28:02,427
Speaker 15: really good place as well.

1729
01:28:02,467 --> 01:28:05,187
Speaker 2: Now rose from a four for nineteen lea to her

1730
01:28:05,187 --> 01:28:08,667
Speaker 2: who's three for fifteen. A pace bowl is going to

1731
01:28:08,707 --> 01:28:10,667
Speaker 2: be a bit more important than we thought they might

1732
01:28:10,747 --> 01:28:11,627
Speaker 2: be at this World Cup.

1733
01:28:12,547 --> 01:28:13,707
Speaker 15: Yeah, you get to see a little bit of a

1734
01:28:13,707 --> 01:28:17,067
Speaker 15: difference between the two venues, between Dubai and shar Ja.

1735
01:28:17,667 --> 01:28:20,667
Speaker 15: You're going to expect that perhaps as well under lights

1736
01:28:20,707 --> 01:28:22,307
Speaker 15: that the seamers are going to have to do a

1737
01:28:22,307 --> 01:28:23,587
Speaker 15: little bit more of the work. The ball is going

1738
01:28:23,627 --> 01:28:25,827
Speaker 15: to go around a little bit. And also I think

1739
01:28:25,907 --> 01:28:29,067
Speaker 15: that as the tournament progresses, that's where you'll maybe see

1740
01:28:29,107 --> 01:28:31,747
Speaker 15: that the spinners come into it more. They got the

1741
01:28:31,827 --> 01:28:34,827
Speaker 15: tournament a little bit last minute, so maybe the preparation

1742
01:28:34,987 --> 01:28:37,067
Speaker 15: and the amount of surfaces they've got ready to go

1743
01:28:37,387 --> 01:28:40,867
Speaker 15: won't quite be as per Norman. Obviously, it's roasting hot

1744
01:28:40,907 --> 01:28:42,387
Speaker 15: over there. I think of thirty eight to thirty nine

1745
01:28:42,427 --> 01:28:44,867
Speaker 15: degrees to the game. So I think the longer the

1746
01:28:44,907 --> 01:28:47,107
Speaker 15: tournament goes on, the more you're going to see the

1747
01:28:47,147 --> 01:28:49,427
Speaker 15: spinners come into it. And teams have definitely gone over

1748
01:28:49,507 --> 01:28:53,507
Speaker 15: with plenty of spin bowling resource, but early games have

1749
01:28:53,547 --> 01:28:55,427
Speaker 15: shown there's definitely a little bit early on for the

1750
01:28:55,507 --> 01:28:58,827
Speaker 15: Seamas and they can put some real pressure onto now.

1751
01:28:58,907 --> 01:29:01,347
Speaker 2: Only the top two in each of the five team

1752
01:29:01,467 --> 01:29:04,227
Speaker 2: groups make the Semis. Three time defending champions Australia in

1753
01:29:04,347 --> 01:29:07,187
Speaker 2: our group, so this is probably a silly question, but

1754
01:29:07,227 --> 01:29:09,867
Speaker 2: how big a result is this against India to our

1755
01:29:09,907 --> 01:29:13,187
Speaker 2: tournament hopes of progressing through to the semifinals?

1756
01:29:13,867 --> 01:29:14,027
Speaker 8: Oh?

1757
01:29:14,107 --> 01:29:16,267
Speaker 15: Massive, massive. I mean you look at the way the

1758
01:29:16,947 --> 01:29:19,587
Speaker 15: pools were drawn, and everyone's kind of talked about our

1759
01:29:19,627 --> 01:29:22,787
Speaker 15: pools the pool of dish a little bit, and that

1760
01:29:23,187 --> 01:29:24,827
Speaker 15: you had to be right on the ball right from

1761
01:29:24,867 --> 01:29:27,307
Speaker 15: game one. You've got India first, you play Australia second.

1762
01:29:27,587 --> 01:29:29,147
Speaker 15: You run the risk that if you don't win one

1763
01:29:29,187 --> 01:29:31,187
Speaker 15: of those first two games, then next year your tournament's

1764
01:29:31,187 --> 01:29:33,147
Speaker 15: all but over and a little bit like what we

1765
01:29:33,227 --> 01:29:35,307
Speaker 15: saw with the Black Cats at the recent T twenty

1766
01:29:35,347 --> 01:29:37,147
Speaker 15: World Cup. If you're not on your game to start with,

1767
01:29:37,307 --> 01:29:39,947
Speaker 15: then it's over very very quickly. So I love the

1768
01:29:40,027 --> 01:29:42,907
Speaker 15: way that this White Since team, they've had that series

1769
01:29:42,947 --> 01:29:45,947
Speaker 15: against Australia, they've had warm up games, they are fully prepared,

1770
01:29:46,267 --> 01:29:48,307
Speaker 15: ready to go, and they've shown it right from game one.

1771
01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:50,507
Speaker 15: The cool thing is now if they turn up and

1772
01:29:50,627 --> 01:29:53,987
Speaker 15: they beat Australia, it puts a lost next to India

1773
01:29:54,027 --> 01:29:56,187
Speaker 15: or a lost next to Australia. Those two teams then

1774
01:29:56,267 --> 01:29:57,987
Speaker 15: have to play each other. Only one of them is

1775
01:29:58,027 --> 01:29:59,827
Speaker 15: getting out of it with a win, so that basically

1776
01:29:59,907 --> 01:30:02,467
Speaker 15: will end the tournament for one of the i'd say

1777
01:30:02,507 --> 01:30:04,427
Speaker 15: the two top favorites to go home with the cup.

1778
01:30:04,547 --> 01:30:07,627
Speaker 15: So I don't think you can you can understate.

1779
01:30:07,307 --> 01:30:07,987
Speaker 9: This result at all.

1780
01:30:08,067 --> 01:30:11,507
Speaker 5: I think it is huge for this New Zealand team.

1781
01:30:11,547 --> 01:30:13,187
Speaker 15: I think the confidence they're going to gain from it,

1782
01:30:13,307 --> 01:30:15,987
Speaker 15: the fact that it puts you in contention. You winter

1783
01:30:16,107 --> 01:30:18,427
Speaker 15: more games, you're talking semi finals, and then all of

1784
01:30:18,427 --> 01:30:19,867
Speaker 15: a sudden, you've only got to win two games a

1785
01:30:19,907 --> 01:30:21,707
Speaker 15: cricket from there and you're going home with the big

1786
01:30:21,787 --> 01:30:23,827
Speaker 15: carp at a big fat check as well. So I

1787
01:30:23,987 --> 01:30:25,667
Speaker 15: think that is it's massive.

1788
01:30:25,747 --> 01:30:28,147
Speaker 18: It will put a real dent in the confidence of

1789
01:30:28,227 --> 01:30:28,747
Speaker 18: India as well.

1790
01:30:28,787 --> 01:30:30,467
Speaker 15: They've got a lot of pressure on their shoulders. And

1791
01:30:30,947 --> 01:30:33,427
Speaker 15: look the way the Australian team has played that recent

1792
01:30:33,467 --> 01:30:36,027
Speaker 15: series against US, played their warm up games. They are

1793
01:30:36,267 --> 01:30:38,427
Speaker 15: very beatable and I think every team around the world

1794
01:30:38,467 --> 01:30:40,627
Speaker 15: at the moment is looking at them saying, hey, they've

1795
01:30:40,667 --> 01:30:43,067
Speaker 15: come to a World Cup with with no Meg Lanning

1796
01:30:43,387 --> 01:30:45,547
Speaker 15: not playing that well. Actually, this is our time to

1797
01:30:45,587 --> 01:30:47,827
Speaker 15: tip them up. And the Australian goes they'll feel the

1798
01:30:47,867 --> 01:30:50,867
Speaker 15: pressure too. They will definitely feel the pressure of expectation,

1799
01:30:51,067 --> 01:30:55,067
Speaker 15: being defending chance. So for mine, I think you could

1800
01:30:55,147 --> 01:30:58,227
Speaker 15: not have scripted a better win contributions from your top order.

1801
01:30:58,667 --> 01:31:01,227
Speaker 15: Seama is doing a good job than is contributing. It

1802
01:31:01,547 --> 01:31:03,747
Speaker 15: just felt like one of those performances where you know,

1803
01:31:03,787 --> 01:31:06,267
Speaker 15: if you're the coaching staff, you go home and could

1804
01:31:06,467 --> 01:31:07,507
Speaker 15: not be happier.

1805
01:31:07,187 --> 01:31:07,987
Speaker 18: With how that started.

1806
01:31:08,267 --> 01:31:10,707
Speaker 2: Brilliant summary, Frankie. A very good way to start for

1807
01:31:10,747 --> 01:31:12,907
Speaker 2: the White Ferns. Long Mathers continue over the next month

1808
01:31:12,987 --> 01:31:15,107
Speaker 2: or so, thanks for taking the time for a chat

1809
01:31:15,147 --> 01:31:16,667
Speaker 2: as always, Oh no.

1810
01:31:16,707 --> 01:31:17,227
Speaker 18: Worst plant.

1811
01:31:17,227 --> 01:31:19,187
Speaker 15: It always eaby to talk, especially when we're winning, and

1812
01:31:19,267 --> 01:31:21,267
Speaker 15: hopefully we get to talk about winning a World Cup too.

1813
01:31:21,427 --> 01:31:21,587
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1814
01:31:21,627 --> 01:31:23,707
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope, so Frankie, let's hope. So it started

1815
01:31:23,747 --> 01:31:27,107
Speaker 2: off pretty well, Frankie McKay joining us, former White Ferns

1816
01:31:27,147 --> 01:31:30,507
Speaker 2: all rounder and now cricket commentator. So yeah, one hundred

1817
01:31:30,547 --> 01:31:33,227
Speaker 2: and sixty for four New Zealand, Susie Bates and Georgia

1818
01:31:33,267 --> 01:31:36,267
Speaker 2: Plumber opening up well, Susie Bits twenty seven off twenty

1819
01:31:36,307 --> 01:31:39,467
Speaker 2: four deliveries, Georgia Plumber thirty four off twenty three, Miny

1820
01:31:39,547 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 2: Kerr were thirteen batting at number three. Then Sophie Divine

1821
01:31:42,147 --> 01:31:44,787
Speaker 2: fifty seven not out of thirty six deliveries, helped along

1822
01:31:44,867 --> 01:31:47,147
Speaker 2: by Brooke Halliday with sixteen off twelve and then an

1823
01:31:47,187 --> 01:31:50,147
Speaker 2: unbeaten five off three from Maddy Green eight runs and

1824
01:31:50,227 --> 01:31:54,307
Speaker 2: over in T twenty particularly women's Tea twenty is probably

1825
01:31:54,347 --> 01:31:57,947
Speaker 2: above par, and then India all out one hundred and two,

1826
01:31:58,707 --> 01:32:01,427
Speaker 2: Rosemary Mayor four for nineteen, lea to who Who three

1827
01:32:01,587 --> 01:32:04,547
Speaker 2: for fifteen, a couple of wigets for Eden Carson and

1828
01:32:04,667 --> 01:32:08,307
Speaker 2: one for Millie Kerr as well, very comprehensive a fifty

1829
01:32:08,347 --> 01:32:13,227
Speaker 2: eight run win. Next up Australia three o'clock Wednesday morning,

1830
01:32:13,307 --> 01:32:15,147
Speaker 2: New Zealand time. I think we can go into that

1831
01:32:15,227 --> 01:32:18,667
Speaker 2: game with renewed hope and optimism. Just had a text

1832
01:32:18,707 --> 01:32:23,227
Speaker 2: before actually from a former New Zealand women's cricket captain

1833
01:32:23,747 --> 01:32:26,387
Speaker 2: and very astute observer of the game, and it was

1834
01:32:26,467 --> 01:32:30,347
Speaker 2: her observation that clearly Susie Bates and Georgia Plumber have

1835
01:32:30,467 --> 01:32:32,227
Speaker 2: just been told to go for it from the start,

1836
01:32:32,547 --> 01:32:34,707
Speaker 2: which feels like a pretty natural thing to do in

1837
01:32:34,787 --> 01:32:37,507
Speaker 2: teach twenty cricket, isn't it just go for it and

1838
01:32:37,907 --> 01:32:41,627
Speaker 2: if you can't hit out, get out. Yeah, there's been

1839
01:32:41,627 --> 01:32:45,187
Speaker 2: a bit of criticism and Sophie Divine referenced it in

1840
01:32:45,267 --> 01:32:48,707
Speaker 2: the postmatch media conference about the batting order and whether

1841
01:32:49,107 --> 01:32:51,147
Speaker 2: Sophie Divine herself should be opening the batting You only

1842
01:32:51,147 --> 01:32:53,827
Speaker 2: got one hundred and twenty deliveries, so why shouldn't she

1843
01:32:53,947 --> 01:32:56,267
Speaker 2: face more of them or as many of them as possible.

1844
01:32:56,747 --> 01:32:59,267
Speaker 2: Clearly that I have decided their top four is Bates, Plumber,

1845
01:33:00,147 --> 01:33:04,107
Speaker 2: Kerr and Divine. It certainly worked this morning, So yeah,

1846
01:33:04,187 --> 01:33:06,467
Speaker 2: let's hope for more of the same against Australia in

1847
01:33:06,547 --> 01:33:09,507
Speaker 2: the next game on Wednesday morning. We have our far

1848
01:33:09,627 --> 01:33:13,307
Speaker 2: O Palma Cup Premiership Champions. It is White Cuttle. They've

1849
01:33:13,347 --> 01:33:16,787
Speaker 2: beaten Canterbury twenty seven twenty five in a cracking final

1850
01:33:17,067 --> 01:33:20,867
Speaker 2: at FMG Stadium, White Cuttle in Hamilton. Congratulations to the

1851
01:33:20,907 --> 01:33:24,987
Speaker 2: White Cutter team Premier Champions and the Farah Palmer Cup

1852
01:33:25,027 --> 01:33:28,387
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four. And just updating you on Bunning's

1853
01:33:28,587 --> 01:33:33,827
Speaker 2: NPC action from Massi University in Palmerston North. That's where

1854
01:33:33,867 --> 01:33:37,467
Speaker 2: this game is being played. County's Manica against Unawatu Munawtu five.

1855
01:33:37,707 --> 01:33:40,467
Speaker 2: Counties Menica seven after fourteen minutes in that game, so

1856
01:33:41,307 --> 01:33:45,307
Speaker 2: pretty even early on in that one. Two twenty one.

1857
01:33:45,427 --> 01:33:48,067
Speaker 2: When we come back we'll take to the water. We

1858
01:33:48,227 --> 01:33:50,307
Speaker 2: have our challenger for the America's Cup in the OS

1859
01:33:50,427 --> 01:33:54,627
Speaker 2: Britannia against Team New Zealand starting next Sunday. Professor Mark

1860
01:33:54,867 --> 01:33:57,827
Speaker 2: Orham's going to break down how any Os Britannia did

1861
01:33:57,867 --> 01:34:00,507
Speaker 2: it and how big a threat they posed to Team

1862
01:34:00,587 --> 01:34:04,667
Speaker 2: New Zealand to win it off us in a thirteen

1863
01:34:04,747 --> 01:34:07,707
Speaker 2: or best of thirteen race series. Arting next Sunday, Professor

1864
01:34:07,747 --> 01:34:10,067
Speaker 2: Mike orams Is with us after this on News Talk CP,

1865
01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:11,627
Speaker 2: host of Barcelona.

1866
01:34:11,667 --> 01:34:14,227
Speaker 17: Bannia rules the waves La Mediterranean.

1867
01:34:14,667 --> 01:34:18,387
Speaker 2: Well, it's seven for victory if we talked up and

1868
01:34:18,507 --> 01:34:21,947
Speaker 2: we'll meet Emirates Team New Zealand. Yes, Aeos Britannia will

1869
01:34:21,987 --> 01:34:24,667
Speaker 2: attempt to pry the old mug from the kiwis. After

1870
01:34:24,707 --> 01:34:27,587
Speaker 2: beating Luna ross A seven to four in the Challenger

1871
01:34:27,667 --> 01:34:31,027
Speaker 2: Series final, the Sir Ben Ainsley led boat needed just

1872
01:34:31,147 --> 01:34:33,427
Speaker 2: the one victory overnight to seal their spot in the

1873
01:34:33,467 --> 01:34:37,467
Speaker 2: Cup match, winning the first of the two races planned.

1874
01:34:37,987 --> 01:34:41,147
Speaker 2: The Cup match is scheduled to begin next Sunday, New

1875
01:34:41,227 --> 01:34:43,827
Speaker 2: Zealand time. Let's bring in former New Zealand and World

1876
01:34:43,907 --> 01:34:46,907
Speaker 2: champion sailor Team New Zealand member and now Professor of

1877
01:34:46,987 --> 01:34:50,867
Speaker 2: Sport and Recreation at the Auckland University of Technology, Professor

1878
01:34:50,947 --> 01:34:53,867
Speaker 2: Mark orams Mark. It was four all in the race

1879
01:34:53,947 --> 01:34:57,547
Speaker 2: to seven very even, but Ineos Britannia won the last three.

1880
01:34:57,747 --> 01:34:58,987
Speaker 2: So what changed?

1881
01:35:00,027 --> 01:35:00,227
Speaker 6: Yes?

1882
01:35:00,307 --> 01:35:02,827
Speaker 5: I just think that Anios Bretanna has been the team

1883
01:35:02,867 --> 01:35:05,547
Speaker 5: that's shown the most improvement over this entire series and

1884
01:35:05,707 --> 01:35:08,547
Speaker 5: in fact they're a bit average right back in the

1885
01:35:08,627 --> 01:35:11,867
Speaker 5: preliminary gatter sort of six weeks ago. But what they've

1886
01:35:11,947 --> 01:35:14,387
Speaker 5: managed to do is to be the most improved team.

1887
01:35:14,947 --> 01:35:17,427
Speaker 5: And while it was certainly a battle all the way

1888
01:35:17,547 --> 01:35:20,707
Speaker 5: through the first part of this SLU Button Challenger Finals,

1889
01:35:21,467 --> 01:35:24,867
Speaker 5: once they really got the advantage, they just pressed at home.

1890
01:35:25,307 --> 01:35:28,227
Speaker 5: And actually, looking back on the career of Sir Ben Ainsley,

1891
01:35:28,307 --> 01:35:31,307
Speaker 5: this is a pattern for him. He is really ruthless

1892
01:35:31,427 --> 01:35:33,427
Speaker 5: and when he gets his tail up, he is very

1893
01:35:33,547 --> 01:35:37,827
Speaker 5: very difficult to stop and that permeates throughout the entire team.

1894
01:35:37,947 --> 01:35:41,467
Speaker 5: So the boats were incredibly evenly matched. But those last

1895
01:35:41,507 --> 01:35:45,227
Speaker 5: three races, Syvin Ainsley as the starb at Helm dominated

1896
01:35:45,307 --> 01:35:48,107
Speaker 5: the start and then got the first cross and then

1897
01:35:48,227 --> 01:35:50,147
Speaker 5: just shut down the race from there for three straight

1898
01:35:50,187 --> 01:35:51,187
Speaker 5: winds to close it out.

1899
01:35:51,587 --> 01:35:54,267
Speaker 2: Apart from dominating the start spetter, where did the other

1900
01:35:54,387 --> 01:35:57,987
Speaker 2: main improvements come across the last couple of months or so.

1901
01:35:59,107 --> 01:36:01,947
Speaker 5: Yeah, they've introduced a few new pieces of kit, but

1902
01:36:02,107 --> 01:36:05,867
Speaker 5: nothing remarkably different. What they've learned to do is just

1903
01:36:05,987 --> 01:36:09,707
Speaker 5: totally sail the boat better. They've focused very much on

1904
01:36:09,907 --> 01:36:12,187
Speaker 5: just trying to get their moting right. They changed a

1905
01:36:12,227 --> 01:36:14,787
Speaker 5: few of their routines in terms of their mark roundings,

1906
01:36:15,507 --> 01:36:19,667
Speaker 5: and they've just slowly incrementally improved and that's been a

1907
01:36:19,747 --> 01:36:24,387
Speaker 5: remarkable thing to watch. Actually, I certainly see them as

1908
01:36:25,147 --> 01:36:28,147
Speaker 5: a team that's well worthy of taking on Team New Zealand.

1909
01:36:28,747 --> 01:36:30,827
Speaker 5: And it's not just their improvement, of course, the other

1910
01:36:30,907 --> 01:36:34,347
Speaker 5: advantage that they have is the momentum of and the

1911
01:36:34,507 --> 01:36:38,907
Speaker 5: race readiness they'll have of seventeen pretty tough races over

1912
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Speaker 5: the last two and a half weeks. Well, meanwhile, Team

1913
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Speaker 5: New Zealand's had none, So it's going to be interesting

1914
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Speaker 5: and a big challenge for Team New Zealand, who come

1915
01:36:46,067 --> 01:36:48,467
Speaker 5: in a little bit cold in terms of race readiness

1916
01:36:49,227 --> 01:36:54,107
Speaker 5: next weekend. And whereas anyos Britannia's nailed down a prestart routine,

1917
01:36:54,547 --> 01:36:56,627
Speaker 5: they've shown that they've got the ability to make the

1918
01:36:57,107 --> 01:37:00,027
Speaker 5: correct key decisions at critical moments to shut down a race.

1919
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Speaker 5: If they get their nose in front, they're going to

1920
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Speaker 5: be pretty hard to get past.

1921
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Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk more about the America's

1922
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Speaker 2: Cup match in a moment, just on Lunarossa Mark. How

1923
01:37:08,307 --> 01:37:09,667
Speaker 2: will they reflect on their regatta?

1924
01:37:11,027 --> 01:37:11,587
Speaker 18: Well, I think in.

1925
01:37:11,667 --> 01:37:15,307
Speaker 5: Many ways they'll rue the gear breakages they had. Two

1926
01:37:15,427 --> 01:37:19,187
Speaker 5: races were handed to Britannia because the gear breakages on

1927
01:37:19,307 --> 01:37:24,387
Speaker 5: Lunarossa at this level, that's enormously disappointing for them. In contrast,

1928
01:37:24,427 --> 01:37:27,467
Speaker 5: Britannia's had an incredibly reliable boat that they've just had

1929
01:37:27,627 --> 01:37:31,747
Speaker 5: complete faith in, whereas Lunarossa not. So I'm not saying

1930
01:37:31,747 --> 01:37:34,667
Speaker 5: they would have won those races, but certainly you hand

1931
01:37:34,787 --> 01:37:38,347
Speaker 5: two points like that in a really even series, that's

1932
01:37:38,427 --> 01:37:42,867
Speaker 5: not something that anybody would want. I'm incredibly impressed with

1933
01:37:42,947 --> 01:37:46,387
Speaker 5: the way that they've sailed, and perhaps it's worth reflecting

1934
01:37:46,507 --> 01:37:50,947
Speaker 5: because Jimmy Spittle has announced his retirement overnight from America's

1935
01:37:50,987 --> 01:37:55,827
Speaker 5: Cup Sailing. An amazing leader, what an amazing competitor he

1936
01:37:55,907 --> 01:37:59,907
Speaker 5: has been over twenty years in the sport, and his

1937
01:38:00,187 --> 01:38:04,787
Speaker 5: calm presence on board, his communication, his evenness no matter

1938
01:38:04,827 --> 01:38:07,067
Speaker 5: whether they are in front or behind, or whether something

1939
01:38:07,107 --> 01:38:10,907
Speaker 5: had gone wrong or not, deeply, deeply impressive. And I

1940
01:38:11,067 --> 01:38:15,227
Speaker 5: know that as key, we love to hate an opponent

1941
01:38:15,347 --> 01:38:19,107
Speaker 5: and we remember the sort of heartbreak of San Francisco

1942
01:38:19,307 --> 01:38:22,627
Speaker 5: and cast Jimmy Spittle as a villain then, but actually

1943
01:38:22,747 --> 01:38:26,827
Speaker 5: he's a decent guy, great sailor and an extremely good

1944
01:38:26,947 --> 01:38:28,827
Speaker 5: leader that he's developed into over the years.

1945
01:38:28,987 --> 01:38:31,027
Speaker 2: Indeed. All right, let's look at the America's Cup match.

1946
01:38:31,067 --> 01:38:34,667
Speaker 2: You talked about Team New Zealand potentially going in cold,

1947
01:38:34,787 --> 01:38:37,307
Speaker 2: having not had any competitive racing since the early stages

1948
01:38:37,347 --> 01:38:39,907
Speaker 2: of the Leuis Vaton, which of course didn't really count anyway,

1949
01:38:39,987 --> 01:38:41,427
Speaker 2: but they at least they got out on the water.

1950
01:38:41,907 --> 01:38:44,627
Speaker 2: How do they negate that, because, as you say, any

1951
01:38:44,667 --> 01:38:46,667
Speaker 2: Ospritannia are coming in hot.

1952
01:38:47,307 --> 01:38:50,587
Speaker 5: Yeah, they sure are, and that's quite difficult to negate.

1953
01:38:50,747 --> 01:38:53,467
Speaker 5: So first things first is they need to concentrate on

1954
01:38:53,827 --> 01:38:56,027
Speaker 5: ensuring that they get the pre start and the start right,

1955
01:38:56,867 --> 01:38:58,707
Speaker 5: and they will have been doing a lot of homework

1956
01:38:58,747 --> 01:39:01,107
Speaker 5: around that. So they need to have a playbook so

1957
01:39:01,467 --> 01:39:03,187
Speaker 5: you know, if they do this, then we do that

1958
01:39:04,267 --> 01:39:06,467
Speaker 5: and if they respond.

1959
01:39:06,187 --> 01:39:07,147
Speaker 13: Here, we will do this.

1960
01:39:07,307 --> 01:39:10,187
Speaker 5: So they pre planned all of that out and that

1961
01:39:10,307 --> 01:39:13,947
Speaker 5: they have that playbook and routine or the choreography really

1962
01:39:14,147 --> 01:39:17,147
Speaker 5: clear in their mind so that they don't go into

1963
01:39:17,267 --> 01:39:21,707
Speaker 5: it having to react and respond to Sir Ben Ainsley's aggression,

1964
01:39:21,787 --> 01:39:23,907
Speaker 5: because that's what he will want. If they go in

1965
01:39:23,987 --> 01:39:27,267
Speaker 5: in that sort of situation, they'll get owned. So they

1966
01:39:27,347 --> 01:39:29,987
Speaker 5: need to really get their routines and playbooks sorted and

1967
01:39:30,187 --> 01:39:33,587
Speaker 5: to implement that and to have the ability to actually

1968
01:39:34,587 --> 01:39:38,227
Speaker 5: take the initiative as opposed to respond. What they want

1969
01:39:38,467 --> 01:39:41,227
Speaker 5: is at a minimum to get off even to get

1970
01:39:41,307 --> 01:39:44,027
Speaker 5: clean and even off the line, and then they will

1971
01:39:44,067 --> 01:39:46,627
Speaker 5: have confidence in Team New Zealand that ty hood of

1972
01:39:46,827 --> 01:39:51,347
Speaker 5: their boat will have at least even and possibly a

1973
01:39:51,467 --> 01:39:54,547
Speaker 5: speed edge. So if you can get off the line clean,

1974
01:39:54,787 --> 01:39:58,307
Speaker 5: if you can manufacture that first cross in front, then

1975
01:39:58,387 --> 01:40:01,067
Speaker 5: you have the ability to close down the race. What's

1976
01:40:01,147 --> 01:40:03,147
Speaker 5: going to be much more difficult as if they're behind.

1977
01:40:03,707 --> 01:40:06,707
Speaker 5: With the boundaries in these mouldern America's Cup co and

1978
01:40:06,787 --> 01:40:09,707
Speaker 5: how short the races are they're around twenty minutes in length,

1979
01:40:10,227 --> 01:40:14,227
Speaker 5: it's really difficult to manufacture a pass if the opponent

1980
01:40:14,347 --> 01:40:17,987
Speaker 5: in front of you doesn't make any mistakes. So beyond

1981
01:40:18,267 --> 01:40:20,947
Speaker 5: the priority of the prestart and the start and trying

1982
01:40:21,027 --> 01:40:23,307
Speaker 5: to just get your nose in front, they'll need to

1983
01:40:23,427 --> 01:40:26,427
Speaker 5: also have a playbook about how they if they are behind,

1984
01:40:27,187 --> 01:40:29,707
Speaker 5: don't try and roll the dice and take a high

1985
01:40:29,787 --> 01:40:32,307
Speaker 5: risk early on and fall further behind, but just to

1986
01:40:32,387 --> 01:40:34,987
Speaker 5: keep it close, keep chipping away and look for the

1987
01:40:35,027 --> 01:40:39,067
Speaker 5: opportunity to manufacture a pass. So they know all this

1988
01:40:39,747 --> 01:40:41,787
Speaker 5: the challenge of courses, they haven't had the chance to

1989
01:40:41,867 --> 01:40:44,827
Speaker 5: implement it in quite some time, and as you pointed

1990
01:40:44,867 --> 01:40:48,947
Speaker 5: out in the round robins, it counted for nothing for them,

1991
01:40:49,387 --> 01:40:52,427
Speaker 5: so very different when the pressure is on. So composure

1992
01:40:52,467 --> 01:40:54,787
Speaker 5: will be a big focus for the Team New Zealand

1993
01:40:54,827 --> 01:40:57,147
Speaker 5: crew over this America's Cup series.

1994
01:40:57,507 --> 01:41:01,827
Speaker 2: Just for reference, Mike on that difficulty in passing movements

1995
01:41:01,907 --> 01:41:05,227
Speaker 2: during the race, how often during the whole regatta have

1996
01:41:05,987 --> 01:41:11,227
Speaker 2: passed has been successfully implemented by any of these boats well, and.

1997
01:41:12,067 --> 01:41:14,987
Speaker 5: Certainly in the finals less and less so, and that's

1998
01:41:15,027 --> 01:41:18,867
Speaker 5: because the boats were so evenly matched. Interesting that that

1999
01:41:18,987 --> 01:41:23,107
Speaker 5: Anyos Britanna and Lunarossa Prataparelli actually quite different boats design wise,

2000
01:41:23,147 --> 01:41:26,067
Speaker 5: their foil packages different, even where they position their sailors

2001
01:41:26,787 --> 01:41:30,187
Speaker 5: and foil flight controllers on the boat is different. And

2002
01:41:30,307 --> 01:41:32,707
Speaker 5: yet they were so incredibly even in terms of their

2003
01:41:32,747 --> 01:41:36,947
Speaker 5: boat speed across a wide range of conditions. So that's

2004
01:41:36,987 --> 01:41:40,187
Speaker 5: what really surprised me. But when you've got really even

2005
01:41:40,267 --> 01:41:44,547
Speaker 5: boat speed, as is tradition and match racing sailing, the

2006
01:41:45,067 --> 01:41:49,427
Speaker 5: start and the first cross is incredibly important, but it's

2007
01:41:49,507 --> 01:41:53,107
Speaker 5: different if you have speed differential, So earlier in the

2008
01:41:53,227 --> 01:41:56,827
Speaker 5: comp in the round robins when we had greater differences

2009
01:41:56,867 --> 01:42:00,627
Speaker 5: in speed, then you did see a number of passes

2010
01:42:00,707 --> 01:42:03,107
Speaker 5: where a slower boat that was in front managed to

2011
01:42:03,147 --> 01:42:06,187
Speaker 5: get a good start, eventually comes under pressure and the

2012
01:42:06,347 --> 01:42:08,507
Speaker 5: trailing boat who's a little bit quicker can crack them

2013
01:42:08,787 --> 01:42:10,867
Speaker 5: and then when they get past them, they stretch. So

2014
01:42:11,027 --> 01:42:12,707
Speaker 5: Team New Zealand did that a couple of times in

2015
01:42:12,747 --> 01:42:16,867
Speaker 5: the round robin. So it's still a boat speed race.

2016
01:42:17,587 --> 01:42:20,507
Speaker 5: So Team New Zealand has been busy, even though they're

2017
01:42:20,507 --> 01:42:23,387
Speaker 5: not race ready, they've been busy developing their boat further.

2018
01:42:23,747 --> 01:42:25,947
Speaker 5: They had old sales on during the round robin, they

2019
01:42:26,027 --> 01:42:30,547
Speaker 5: didn't have their final foil configuration, so they will be

2020
01:42:30,747 --> 01:42:34,667
Speaker 5: hoping and perhaps have some confidence that the package that

2021
01:42:34,827 --> 01:42:38,627
Speaker 5: they've developed is going to have an edge and they will.

2022
01:42:38,827 --> 01:42:42,547
Speaker 5: If stay can make that stick and they can get

2023
01:42:43,027 --> 01:42:46,027
Speaker 5: good start and not end up getting owned by Sir

2024
01:42:46,107 --> 01:42:49,307
Speaker 5: Ben Ainsley in the pre starts, then I think that's

2025
01:42:49,347 --> 01:42:50,187
Speaker 5: their best shot.

2026
01:42:50,347 --> 01:42:52,987
Speaker 2: Team New Zealand against in the OS Britannia. From Nick Sunday,

2027
01:42:53,027 --> 01:42:55,587
Speaker 2: New Zealand Time for the thirty seventh America's Cup. Mark

2028
01:42:55,667 --> 01:42:57,667
Speaker 2: love chatting sailing with you. Thanks so much for your.

2029
01:42:57,507 --> 01:42:59,907
Speaker 5: Expertise pleasure pine it thanks mate.

2030
01:42:59,747 --> 01:43:01,987
Speaker 2: No, thank you mate. That's Mark Orams, Professor Mark ORMs

2031
01:43:02,347 --> 01:43:06,907
Speaker 2: with some real deep understanding of sailing. Obviously, it's Britannia

2032
01:43:07,387 --> 01:43:10,627
Speaker 2: up against Team New Zealand starting next Sunday morning, New

2033
01:43:10,747 --> 01:43:14,187
Speaker 2: Zealand time, same format as the Louis Bitton a best

2034
01:43:14,227 --> 01:43:17,587
Speaker 2: of thirteen series. So the first boat to claim seven

2035
01:43:17,787 --> 01:43:22,147
Speaker 2: race wins will claim the America's Cup, first contested back

2036
01:43:22,187 --> 01:43:25,427
Speaker 2: in eighteen fifty one, the thirty seventh running of the

2037
01:43:25,467 --> 01:43:29,187
Speaker 2: America's Cup, Team New Zealand against Inios Britannia. And as

2038
01:43:29,227 --> 01:43:32,027
Speaker 2: you heard Mark Orum say during that chat, Luna rossa

2039
01:43:32,107 --> 01:43:36,627
Speaker 2: Coe helmsman Jimmy Spittle, a larger than life personality in

2040
01:43:36,907 --> 01:43:39,707
Speaker 2: sailing circles, has announced his retirement from sailing.

2041
01:43:39,947 --> 01:43:42,347
Speaker 3: This is definitely my last one as an athlete. I

2042
01:43:42,427 --> 01:43:45,147
Speaker 3: mean I skip it my first team at nineteen in

2043
01:43:45,947 --> 01:43:48,467
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, and I've driven a boat in every

2044
01:43:48,507 --> 01:43:50,907
Speaker 3: Cup up until now. And if you told me this

2045
01:43:51,147 --> 01:43:53,787
Speaker 3: is where the sport would be back then when I started,

2046
01:43:53,947 --> 01:43:55,827
Speaker 3: I mean I probably would have driven into the mental

2047
01:43:55,867 --> 01:43:56,707
Speaker 3: hospital myself.

2048
01:43:57,227 --> 01:44:00,867
Speaker 2: So a slight correction his retirement from America's Cup sailing.

2049
01:44:00,987 --> 01:44:04,267
Speaker 2: We may well see Jimmy Spittle do other sailing, but

2050
01:44:04,387 --> 01:44:08,787
Speaker 2: that's it for now anyway, And again who knows, But

2051
01:44:09,467 --> 01:44:12,867
Speaker 2: of course we'll always remember him for steering Oracle Team

2052
01:44:12,987 --> 01:44:16,467
Speaker 2: USA to that stunning victory over Team New Zealand back

2053
01:44:16,507 --> 01:44:20,187
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, coming from eight one down to win

2054
01:44:20,307 --> 01:44:22,907
Speaker 2: it nine to eight, one of the great comebacks of

2055
01:44:23,027 --> 01:44:27,107
Speaker 2: all time in any sport, twenty six to three. When

2056
01:44:27,147 --> 01:44:30,587
Speaker 2: we come back, Wayne Goldsmith are coaching Guru talking about

2057
01:44:30,867 --> 01:44:35,067
Speaker 2: end of season reviews, how, why, when, and other questions too.

2058
01:44:35,187 --> 01:44:36,507
Speaker 2: When we come back on News talk S.

2059
01:44:36,587 --> 01:44:41,547
Speaker 1: EDB the big issues on and after Fields Call eight

2060
01:44:41,627 --> 01:44:44,587
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

2061
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Speaker 2: Fine and GJ.

2062
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2064
01:44:49,947 --> 01:44:51,947
Speaker 2: Coming up twenty two away from three. Every month or

2065
01:44:51,947 --> 01:44:54,107
Speaker 2: so we get the benefit of the wisdom and expertise

2066
01:44:54,147 --> 01:44:56,827
Speaker 2: of coaching Guru Wayne Goldsmith on a range of different

2067
01:44:56,907 --> 01:45:00,187
Speaker 2: coaching and widest sporting issues. Wayne Welcoman, I want to

2068
01:45:00,227 --> 01:45:03,467
Speaker 2: talk today about reviews, end of season reviews, end of

2069
01:45:03,507 --> 01:45:07,187
Speaker 2: Olympic campaign reviews, that sort of thing I've done dozens

2070
01:45:07,227 --> 01:45:09,987
Speaker 2: and dozens of these. So where do you start and

2071
01:45:10,107 --> 01:45:11,987
Speaker 2: what are the things that you look at?

2072
01:45:13,227 --> 01:45:16,347
Speaker 11: Well, that's a really good question, Piney, because I'm in

2073
01:45:16,427 --> 01:45:18,147
Speaker 11: the middle of two or three now. I'm in the

2074
01:45:18,267 --> 01:45:22,587
Speaker 11: middle of two from in Australian football codes and different codes,

2075
01:45:22,627 --> 01:45:26,147
Speaker 11: and a couple in Olympic sports. And I know when

2076
01:45:26,147 --> 01:45:27,827
Speaker 11: they ring me and they say how would you go

2077
01:45:27,987 --> 01:45:31,907
Speaker 11: about doing a review? I always think of the Liam

2078
01:45:31,987 --> 01:45:35,547
Speaker 11: Neesan line from Taking where he says I've developed a

2079
01:45:35,747 --> 01:45:38,867
Speaker 11: very special set of skills, skills that make me a

2080
01:45:39,027 --> 01:45:42,707
Speaker 11: nightmare for people like you. Because what I say to

2081
01:45:42,787 --> 01:45:43,907
Speaker 11: people is they say, what are.

2082
01:45:43,827 --> 01:45:44,387
Speaker 10: You going to look at?

2083
01:45:44,467 --> 01:45:48,267
Speaker 11: And I say everything and nothing. And I'm becoming very zen,

2084
01:45:48,387 --> 01:45:51,747
Speaker 11: I think as I get older, because I think if

2085
01:45:51,787 --> 01:45:54,427
Speaker 11: you go in your start a review with a preconceived

2086
01:45:54,547 --> 01:45:58,307
Speaker 11: notion of saying I think from a distant it looks

2087
01:45:58,387 --> 01:46:01,347
Speaker 11: like this, you'll end up only looking at one thing,

2088
01:46:01,867 --> 01:46:04,747
Speaker 11: Whereas quite often what's required as you come in and

2089
01:46:04,827 --> 01:46:07,827
Speaker 11: you've got to look at everything, and so often say

2090
01:46:07,827 --> 01:46:12,227
Speaker 11: to I'll look at things like the culture and coaches

2091
01:46:12,947 --> 01:46:17,907
Speaker 11: and the players and your roster and your budget and facilities,

2092
01:46:18,427 --> 01:46:22,267
Speaker 11: and importantly the interaction between all those things. So, like

2093
01:46:22,387 --> 01:46:24,987
Speaker 11: I said, we look at everything and we look at nothing.

2094
01:46:25,747 --> 01:46:30,227
Speaker 2: So then when you've established a bit of understanding about

2095
01:46:30,587 --> 01:46:33,547
Speaker 2: the different parts of the organization, the different parts of

2096
01:46:33,627 --> 01:46:36,987
Speaker 2: the campaign, players, coaches, culture, leadership, all those things you've

2097
01:46:37,027 --> 01:46:39,827
Speaker 2: mentioned in more, then what Wayne.

2098
01:46:41,147 --> 01:46:44,387
Speaker 11: Well, it's a matter of coming in and spending time

2099
01:46:44,867 --> 01:46:48,187
Speaker 11: talking to people about what their views are. Look I

2100
01:46:48,227 --> 01:46:51,987
Speaker 11: actually say two clubs the best time to do a

2101
01:46:52,067 --> 01:46:55,467
Speaker 11: review is about six weeks from the end of the

2102
01:46:55,547 --> 01:47:00,387
Speaker 11: year because people are doing what they do the danger

2103
01:47:00,467 --> 01:47:02,707
Speaker 11: in doing and I find it all the time pioneers.

2104
01:47:02,747 --> 01:47:05,627
Speaker 11: I come in and I do an end of season review,

2105
01:47:06,467 --> 01:47:11,507
Speaker 11: and people's reflection and the stories they tell about what

2106
01:47:11,707 --> 01:47:16,107
Speaker 11: they think happened is very very different maybe what actually happened.

2107
01:47:16,347 --> 01:47:18,307
Speaker 11: So you've got to look at the data if there's

2108
01:47:18,387 --> 01:47:22,147
Speaker 11: data available, You've got to talk to people from different perspectives,

2109
01:47:22,227 --> 01:47:27,147
Speaker 11: and so you might obviously you'll interview coaches, sports on once, sports, medicine, staff,

2110
01:47:27,347 --> 01:47:32,147
Speaker 11: medical staff, management, players of course people around it and

2111
01:47:32,347 --> 01:47:36,267
Speaker 11: develop an overall perspective of what may or may not

2112
01:47:36,587 --> 01:47:41,187
Speaker 11: be happening. Because people's ability to tell a narrative of

2113
01:47:41,387 --> 01:47:45,707
Speaker 11: their own experience and their own contribution to year changes

2114
01:47:46,187 --> 01:47:48,307
Speaker 11: a lot at the end of the year, but you

2115
01:47:49,547 --> 01:47:53,707
Speaker 11: start to put everything together, and some of it is screaming.

2116
01:47:54,107 --> 01:47:56,507
Speaker 11: So for example, you might go into a rugby review

2117
01:47:57,107 --> 01:47:59,787
Speaker 11: and you might be looking at the fence. Well, you

2118
01:47:59,867 --> 01:48:04,467
Speaker 11: can pull out so much data on tackles made, tackles missed.

2119
01:48:04,907 --> 01:48:07,547
Speaker 11: You can look at so much on it and that'll

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Speaker 11: give you a bit of an insight into maybe the

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Speaker 11: way that the defensive coach is working, or maybe their

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01:48:14,187 --> 01:48:17,467
Speaker 11: technical elements, or the skill level of the players. So

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Speaker 11: sometimes it's really easy because you've got data. Other times,

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Speaker 11: things like leadership, communication, relationships, culture, they're hard to see,

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01:48:29,627 --> 01:48:32,587
Speaker 11: hard to measure, particularly at the end of the season.

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01:48:32,707 --> 01:48:34,867
Speaker 11: So a bit of a jigsaw puzzle. It is like

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01:48:35,307 --> 01:48:39,547
Speaker 11: putting a puzzle together to try and find the real truth.

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01:48:39,667 --> 01:48:42,067
Speaker 11: And you know that great phrase I use off and

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01:48:42,227 --> 01:48:44,667
Speaker 11: is it's no good coming up with a great solution

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01:48:45,307 --> 01:48:48,347
Speaker 11: to the wrong problem. So that quite often I'll go

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01:48:48,467 --> 01:48:50,387
Speaker 11: in and I'll say what do you think. I say, oh,

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Speaker 11: I think it's a culture thing, and they go, thanks, Wayne,

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01:48:52,507 --> 01:48:54,827
Speaker 11: We're going to build a new gym and it's got

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01:48:54,947 --> 01:48:59,027
Speaker 11: nothing to do with the culture. But because you can

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01:48:59,147 --> 01:49:01,267
Speaker 11: see a gym, you can buy a gym, you can

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Speaker 11: build an extension to a part of the ground because

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Speaker 11: you actually see those things. Quite often people do that

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01:49:09,267 --> 01:49:11,707
Speaker 11: rather than address what the real problem might be.

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Speaker 2: You send me a neat little way, actually quite a

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01:49:14,987 --> 01:49:18,187
Speaker 2: few neat little sort of things as part of your

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01:49:18,227 --> 01:49:21,147
Speaker 2: notes for this particular segment. You're talking here about the

2142
01:49:21,267 --> 01:49:23,667
Speaker 2: three S model, when you're looking at what's working and

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01:49:23,747 --> 01:49:28,747
Speaker 2: what's not, things you need to sustain, stop and start.

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Speaker 2: Can you just unpack that a bit for us.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I think in the end, all of the best reviews

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01:49:34,507 --> 01:49:38,147
Speaker 11: I do come down to a very simple concept, which

2148
01:49:38,267 --> 01:49:41,147
Speaker 11: is what is it that we're doing that we should sustain,

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01:49:41,307 --> 01:49:43,907
Speaker 11: keep doing What is it we're doing that's working, Because

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01:49:44,027 --> 01:49:46,787
Speaker 11: just because the team might have come tent, it doesn't

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01:49:46,827 --> 01:49:49,787
Speaker 11: mean everything's wrong. I think while people make a mistake

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01:49:49,867 --> 01:49:52,227
Speaker 11: in reviews by any they go, well, we came tent,

2153
01:49:52,307 --> 01:49:55,587
Speaker 11: therefore everybody and everything's wrong, and let's throw it all

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01:49:55,667 --> 01:49:58,787
Speaker 11: out and start again. It's never really the case. There's

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01:49:58,867 --> 01:50:03,467
Speaker 11: always there's always some things that are working, and maybe

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01:50:03,507 --> 01:50:05,667
Speaker 11: they're just not working in the right way, or maybe

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01:50:05,707 --> 01:50:08,867
Speaker 11: they'd over the right resourcing, or they're not being used

2158
01:50:08,867 --> 01:50:12,307
Speaker 11: at the right time. Or there's some political roadblocks there.

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01:50:12,587 --> 01:50:14,787
Speaker 11: So I say to people, there's going to be something

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01:50:14,867 --> 01:50:17,107
Speaker 11: that's working. There'll be some things that you go, you

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01:50:17,187 --> 01:50:21,467
Speaker 11: know what, Our defense is really good, our communication is great,

2162
01:50:22,147 --> 01:50:24,587
Speaker 11: the connection between the players and the coaches is great.

2163
01:50:24,587 --> 01:50:27,667
Speaker 11: All right, let's keep that. That's solid gold. And then

2164
01:50:27,707 --> 01:50:31,547
Speaker 11: there'll be some really obvious things that you should stop doing.

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Speaker 11: So it'll really screwing because people are very good at

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01:50:34,667 --> 01:50:39,307
Speaker 11: identifying problems much better than identifying things that are working

2167
01:50:39,387 --> 01:50:41,827
Speaker 11: and going well. So overly say, guys, these are the

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01:50:41,907 --> 01:50:44,667
Speaker 11: things we know that are impeding our progress and not

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01:50:44,787 --> 01:50:47,147
Speaker 11: helping us get better. We stop that, and then of

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01:50:47,227 --> 01:50:50,987
Speaker 11: course everybody learns. So the third thing is so keep doing,

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01:50:51,347 --> 01:50:54,747
Speaker 11: stop doing, start doing, or sustain stop and start. And

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01:50:54,827 --> 01:50:57,947
Speaker 11: then there's some things that you'll learn watching the better teams,

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01:50:58,507 --> 01:51:02,747
Speaker 11: by studying, by research, by reflecting, by looking at what

2174
01:51:02,907 --> 01:51:04,827
Speaker 11: you're doing, you'll go, you know what we learned this year,

2175
01:51:05,187 --> 01:51:07,907
Speaker 11: we shouldn't do that to change this, we should add that.

2176
01:51:08,627 --> 01:51:11,427
Speaker 11: So when I get around to reporting it back to

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Speaker 11: coaches and boards and executives, hey, guys, keep it simple.

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Speaker 11: This is what you're doing that's working. This is stuff

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01:51:18,227 --> 01:51:20,707
Speaker 11: that's not working, and here's some suggestions for how to

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01:51:20,787 --> 01:51:21,307
Speaker 11: make it better.

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01:51:22,627 --> 01:51:24,947
Speaker 2: Do you need to challenge yourself? Will be ready to

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01:51:25,107 --> 01:51:28,347
Speaker 2: challenge yourself as an organization, because I'm sure you could

2183
01:51:28,347 --> 01:51:32,587
Speaker 2: do a very good review for somebody and present it

2184
01:51:32,707 --> 01:51:34,947
Speaker 2: to them all your findings, all the data that backs

2185
01:51:34,987 --> 01:51:37,947
Speaker 2: it all up. But an organization still has to be

2186
01:51:38,147 --> 01:51:41,427
Speaker 2: willing to be open to change, don't they.

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01:51:42,907 --> 01:51:43,627
Speaker 9: Yeah, they've got to be.

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Speaker 11: There's a great line I love is when the student

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01:51:47,387 --> 01:51:49,947
Speaker 11: is ready, the teachers shall be found. I think when

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01:51:49,987 --> 01:51:54,187
Speaker 11: they're ready to learn that it's quite easily. It's believe

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01:51:54,227 --> 01:51:56,627
Speaker 11: it or not. This job's a lot simpler than people think,

2192
01:51:57,307 --> 01:51:59,147
Speaker 11: because if you've been around a little bit and you're

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01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:02,867
Speaker 11: open minded and you spend time really listening to people,

2194
01:52:03,347 --> 01:52:05,867
Speaker 11: the problems are only right in front of you. But

2195
01:52:06,187 --> 01:52:09,827
Speaker 11: there's blockages either you don't like them, or you've got

2196
01:52:09,827 --> 01:52:13,307
Speaker 11: a political issue, a personality conflict. Quite often, if you're

2197
01:52:13,347 --> 01:52:16,987
Speaker 11: immersed in the environment, you don't see the obvious. And

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Speaker 11: as a great friend of mine, Jackie, may she rest

2199
01:52:20,267 --> 01:52:22,387
Speaker 11: in peace. Jackie used to say to me, Goali, you

2200
01:52:22,467 --> 01:52:25,187
Speaker 11: are the master of the bloody obvious. And I said,

2201
01:52:25,227 --> 01:52:28,507
Speaker 11: but Jack, that's what it is most of the time,

2202
01:52:29,267 --> 01:52:32,947
Speaker 11: what's not working or the problems that are holding people

2203
01:52:33,027 --> 01:52:36,187
Speaker 11: back from realizing their potential are really obvious. They're right

2204
01:52:36,227 --> 01:52:39,387
Speaker 11: in front of them, but they're blinded because of proximity.

2205
01:52:39,467 --> 01:52:43,147
Speaker 11: They're too close to them to actually see what's screaming

2206
01:52:43,227 --> 01:52:46,627
Speaker 11: out to someone independent. And that's good because that pays

2207
01:52:46,667 --> 01:52:49,707
Speaker 11: my mortgage job. I like coming in just pointing things

2208
01:52:49,787 --> 01:52:52,947
Speaker 11: out the people that they already know. Piney often say

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Speaker 11: to people, I'm not particularly clever, and I'm really not.

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01:52:56,227 --> 01:52:59,107
Speaker 11: I'm not particularly clever, I'm not particularly brilliant. All I'm

2211
01:52:59,147 --> 01:53:01,907
Speaker 11: doing is pointing out what's right in front of you

2212
01:53:02,267 --> 01:53:05,067
Speaker 11: that you can't see. It's very rarely you'll come in

2213
01:53:05,107 --> 01:53:08,187
Speaker 11: and go, I've got to evolutionary breakthrough idea that you've

2214
01:53:08,267 --> 01:53:10,627
Speaker 11: never thought of. Most of the time you're pointing out

2215
01:53:11,227 --> 01:53:14,507
Speaker 11: things that they already know, but they just can't see

2216
01:53:14,507 --> 01:53:15,947
Speaker 11: them because they're too close to them.

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01:53:16,547 --> 01:53:18,747
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in a situation where you've been

2218
01:53:18,827 --> 01:53:23,387
Speaker 2: commissioned to conduct a review and then somebody who's in

2219
01:53:23,507 --> 01:53:25,547
Speaker 2: charge at the organization has said to you, hey, you'll

2220
01:53:25,587 --> 01:53:28,387
Speaker 2: be really good if you could actually find this. You

2221
01:53:28,467 --> 01:53:32,187
Speaker 2: know almost almost I guess try to predetermine what you're

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01:53:32,227 --> 01:53:33,427
Speaker 2: going to find in your review.

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Speaker 11: Mate. It happens more than I'd like to think about that.

2224
01:53:38,707 --> 01:53:41,387
Speaker 11: There was a funny story years ago, I was asked.

2225
01:53:41,547 --> 01:53:44,627
Speaker 11: I got called by a CEO of one of the

2226
01:53:44,667 --> 01:53:49,307
Speaker 11: Melbourne based AFL clubs and I came in. We went

2227
01:53:49,347 --> 01:53:52,067
Speaker 11: through the terms of reference of the review, talked about

2228
01:53:52,147 --> 01:53:55,187
Speaker 11: look and you know, he was passionate, and he talked

2229
01:53:55,227 --> 01:53:58,147
Speaker 11: about we want to get better, we want to be competitive,

2230
01:53:58,707 --> 01:54:00,667
Speaker 11: we want to grow our fans, you know, we want

2231
01:54:00,747 --> 01:54:03,547
Speaker 11: to be seen as having an exciting type of football.

2232
01:54:03,707 --> 01:54:06,067
Speaker 11: You know, he's really excited. Anyway, I go back to

2233
01:54:06,147 --> 01:54:09,227
Speaker 11: my hotel that night and my phone rings. I picked

2234
01:54:09,267 --> 01:54:12,307
Speaker 11: it up. Wayne Goldsmith are going and it's the chair

2235
01:54:12,387 --> 01:54:16,387
Speaker 11: of the board of the football club. And he said, Wayne, look,

2236
01:54:16,427 --> 01:54:18,227
Speaker 11: i've heard you're in town. I know you're here to

2237
01:54:18,307 --> 01:54:20,027
Speaker 11: do the review. I wonder if you got time to

2238
01:54:20,067 --> 01:54:22,947
Speaker 11: catch up and turns up, picks me up in a

2239
01:54:23,027 --> 01:54:26,227
Speaker 11: nice car, takes me out to the Melbourne water of

2240
01:54:26,347 --> 01:54:29,467
Speaker 11: the Bayfront and we're sitting there having a nice meal,

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01:54:29,587 --> 01:54:32,587
Speaker 11: just talking footy and performance and sport and kids and

2242
01:54:32,867 --> 01:54:35,067
Speaker 11: everything else. And he said, he said, Wayne, I want

2243
01:54:35,107 --> 01:54:38,227
Speaker 11: to tell you something. He said, I want you to

2244
01:54:38,347 --> 01:54:41,147
Speaker 11: find this, and he gave me a little piece of paper. God,

2245
01:54:41,187 --> 01:54:43,307
Speaker 11: I wish I kept that piece of paper pinting. And

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01:54:43,387 --> 01:54:44,947
Speaker 11: he gave me a little piece of paper and on

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01:54:45,067 --> 01:54:51,707
Speaker 11: it it had sax CEO remove headcakes. And he looked

2248
01:54:51,787 --> 01:54:55,387
Speaker 11: me square in the eyes of very well known media

2249
01:54:55,587 --> 01:54:57,507
Speaker 11: identity as well, and he looked me square in the

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01:54:57,587 --> 01:55:00,987
Speaker 11: eyes and said, if you want to get paid, that's

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Speaker 11: what you're going to find in your review.

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01:55:02,587 --> 01:55:02,827
Speaker 6: Wow.

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01:55:03,427 --> 01:55:05,587
Speaker 11: Because I was taken aback, I was a bit waffled

2254
01:55:05,587 --> 01:55:07,907
Speaker 11: a bit. I think, said, oh, look I want to do.

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Speaker 11: He said, Wayne, do whatever you like, look at everything,

2256
01:55:12,387 --> 01:55:15,907
Speaker 11: come up with whatever process you want. But if you

2257
01:55:15,987 --> 01:55:19,227
Speaker 11: don't find those things, you won't get paid. And it

2258
01:55:19,427 --> 01:55:22,107
Speaker 11: was a challenge, mate, because which you know, you try

2259
01:55:22,227 --> 01:55:27,267
Speaker 11: to live a life of ethics and business principles and

2260
01:55:27,427 --> 01:55:30,627
Speaker 11: someone looked at you from high profile and says, if

2261
01:55:30,707 --> 01:55:32,267
Speaker 11: you don't find this, you're not going to get paid.

2262
01:55:32,707 --> 01:55:34,547
Speaker 11: So I went away and I thought about it overnight

2263
01:55:34,587 --> 01:55:37,547
Speaker 11: and talked a great friend of mine also in the business,

2264
01:55:38,147 --> 01:55:40,107
Speaker 11: and what we ended up doing is I did the

2265
01:55:40,187 --> 01:55:43,347
Speaker 11: review and I had an agreement that I would give

2266
01:55:43,387 --> 01:55:46,667
Speaker 11: it to the chairman to look at first, which I did,

2267
01:55:46,907 --> 01:55:48,827
Speaker 11: and as it turns out, he was pretty much on

2268
01:55:48,947 --> 01:55:51,227
Speaker 11: the money. But yeah, you get that from time to time.

2269
01:55:51,307 --> 01:55:54,947
Speaker 11: And because I think you know that great phrase to

2270
01:55:55,587 --> 01:55:59,507
Speaker 11: someone with a hammer, every problem is a nail. If

2271
01:55:59,547 --> 01:56:03,187
Speaker 11: you get someone to do a review who's an attacking

2272
01:56:03,627 --> 01:56:06,067
Speaker 11: rugby coach, they're going to come and say, you know what,

2273
01:56:06,187 --> 01:56:08,747
Speaker 11: you guys don't attack as much as you should. Where

2274
01:56:08,827 --> 01:56:12,387
Speaker 11: you get someone who's a physiotherapist still come in and go,

2275
01:56:12,627 --> 01:56:14,947
Speaker 11: you know what, you're not doing enough in the injury

2276
01:56:14,987 --> 01:56:19,067
Speaker 11: management space, whereas the reality is it's never one thing.

2277
01:56:19,187 --> 01:56:24,307
Speaker 11: It's always a blend, an integration. It's it's several things

2278
01:56:24,387 --> 01:56:27,667
Speaker 11: that are happening concurrently. It's very rarely you walk in

2279
01:56:27,747 --> 01:56:30,347
Speaker 11: you go, you know what, guys, change that one thing

2280
01:56:30,547 --> 01:56:34,667
Speaker 11: and I guarantee everything will be successful. And if anyone

2281
01:56:34,707 --> 01:56:36,587
Speaker 11: tells you that, you know that they're alling.

2282
01:56:37,387 --> 01:56:39,867
Speaker 2: Just to bring it back to the concept of reviewing

2283
01:56:40,147 --> 01:56:44,387
Speaker 2: to finish, shouldn't reviewing be happening, you know, sort of

2284
01:56:44,467 --> 01:56:46,747
Speaker 2: an ongoing fashion way and you shouldn't have to wait

2285
01:56:47,187 --> 01:56:49,067
Speaker 2: till a point in time, be it at the end

2286
01:56:49,067 --> 01:56:51,347
Speaker 2: of the season or as you suggested six weeks from

2287
01:56:51,387 --> 01:56:54,267
Speaker 2: the inter review. Shouldn't you always be looking at your

2288
01:56:54,307 --> 01:56:55,787
Speaker 2: performance and reviewing what you're doing?

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01:56:56,667 --> 01:57:00,107
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's and that's the really the bottom point pointing

2290
01:57:00,787 --> 01:57:03,227
Speaker 11: I should actually be out of business. You know, don't

2291
01:57:03,227 --> 01:57:05,387
Speaker 11: tell my wife has said that, but I should actually

2292
01:57:05,427 --> 01:57:07,547
Speaker 11: be out of business. I should have no work. Because

2293
01:57:08,227 --> 01:57:12,227
Speaker 11: when you go into a really high performing group, at

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01:57:12,307 --> 01:57:14,627
Speaker 11: the end of every training session, the coaches are sitting

2295
01:57:14,667 --> 01:57:17,147
Speaker 11: around having a coffee saying, hey, guys, what worked, what

2296
01:57:17,307 --> 01:57:19,907
Speaker 11: didn't work, and what should we change before the next session.

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01:57:20,307 --> 01:57:23,947
Speaker 11: They're living a continual review process what we call they

2298
01:57:24,067 --> 01:57:28,947
Speaker 11: live a continuous improvement culture. So after every session, after

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01:57:29,067 --> 01:57:32,747
Speaker 11: everything they do, they're continually saying, can we do better?

2300
01:57:32,907 --> 01:57:37,907
Speaker 11: And they've got a culture based on honesty where they

2301
01:57:37,947 --> 01:57:39,867
Speaker 11: can look at each other and say, you know what, Pony,

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01:57:40,067 --> 01:57:42,787
Speaker 11: I think you could have done that better, and then you,

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01:57:43,627 --> 01:57:47,467
Speaker 11: with trust and with connection with me, would go, really, Wayne,

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01:57:47,507 --> 01:57:49,667
Speaker 11: So instead of going when you'd have no idea what

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01:57:49,787 --> 01:57:52,907
Speaker 11: you're doing, you would say, if in a culture that's working,

2306
01:57:52,987 --> 01:57:56,507
Speaker 11: a real performance culture, you would say, really, Wayne, what

2307
01:57:56,667 --> 01:57:59,027
Speaker 11: do you think I could do better? And you've got

2308
01:57:59,107 --> 01:58:04,867
Speaker 11: this open sharing, transparent way of growing ideas and you're

2309
01:58:04,907 --> 01:58:09,827
Speaker 11: in this continuous improvement culture. When you've got that, you're unstoppable.

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01:58:10,187 --> 01:58:12,507
Speaker 11: And that's what you would see walking in a penirate.

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01:58:12,587 --> 01:58:15,547
Speaker 11: That's what you would see walking into I dare say

2312
01:58:15,627 --> 01:58:18,027
Speaker 11: the great All Blacks, that's what you'd see when you

2313
01:58:18,187 --> 01:58:22,867
Speaker 11: walk into an environment that's really clicking. They're living an

2314
01:58:22,947 --> 01:58:26,427
Speaker 11: environment of continuous improvement. And there's no idea, no need

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01:58:26,507 --> 01:58:27,467
Speaker 11: for knuckleheads like me.

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01:58:28,427 --> 01:58:31,187
Speaker 2: Well there always will be. On this radio show, Wayne,

2317
01:58:31,267 --> 01:58:34,947
Speaker 2: your wisdom, your experience, your expertise is greatly appreciated by

2318
01:58:35,027 --> 01:58:37,267
Speaker 2: me and by our listeners as well. Always good to

2319
01:58:37,307 --> 01:58:40,507
Speaker 2: catch up. Let's do it again next month. Can't wait, mate,

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Speaker 2: Stay well, you stay well to Wayne Wayne Goldsmith. They're

2321
01:58:43,067 --> 01:58:47,067
Speaker 2: coaching guru and regular contributor on Weekend Sport. Wg coaching

2322
01:58:47,507 --> 01:58:50,667
Speaker 2: dot com is his website. Heaps of great articles and

2323
01:58:50,827 --> 01:58:53,227
Speaker 2: pieces of advice on there, and more about Wayne, but

2324
01:58:53,507 --> 01:58:55,467
Speaker 2: you can hear them here on Weekend Sport once a

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01:58:55,507 --> 01:58:58,467
Speaker 2: month or so, talking about a range of different issues.

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