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Speaker 2: Welcome to podcasts two hundred and seventy for February five,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and may I welcome you to the
Speaker 2: seventh year of the Laten Smith Podcast.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, I had the idea
Speaker 2: of leading twenty five with someone whose opinion would not
Speaker 2: only be interesting but also useful and not to forget, entertaining.
Speaker 2: Shane Jones, Deputy Leader of New Zealand. First, I thought
Speaker 2: qualified on all counts. We were due to record on
Speaker 2: the same day that Donald Trump was sworn in, but
Speaker 2: I had technical issues and we had about three different
Speaker 2: attempts and couldn't overcome, so it was done the next day.
Speaker 2: But the reason I mentioned that is because he was
Speaker 2: most courteous, most obliging, in fact extremely obliging, and fulfilled
Speaker 2: my expectations with what I thought he would provide. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're wondering why we recorded that earlier, it was
Speaker 2: because he was going to be tied up at this
Speaker 2: particular time with White TANGI matters now at the back end,
Speaker 2: following the mail room with missus producer, I draw your
Speaker 2: attention to if you don't already know what the present
Speaker 2: government is absconding from in its responsibilities, Well that's my
Speaker 2: interpretation of the way things are coming about. I expect
Speaker 2: that most of you will be agreeable with that, but
Speaker 2: you'll have to make your own judgment call at the time.
Speaker 2: But what is taking place at the moment is I
Speaker 2: believe undesirable and incompetent and a betrayal. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: that most of you will agree, but you'll have to
Speaker 2: make up your own mind and do let me know,
Speaker 2: by the way, So in just a moment, mister Jones.
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Speaker 2: the deputy leader of the New Zealand First Party. He
Speaker 2: has a number of number of roles covering energy, finance,
Speaker 2: oceans and fisheries, regional development and resources, Associate Minister for
Speaker 2: some and Minister for others. If you look at his history,
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Speaker 2: is with the great pleasure I welcome you to the
Speaker 2: Late and Smith Podcast. The first of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and Shane, we're releasing this on the fifth of February,
Speaker 2: the day before White Tangy Day, but we are recording
Speaker 2: it on the twenty second of January. And there's a
Speaker 2: reason that I wanted to outline this and make it
Speaker 2: clear because yesterday both of you and I, separately and
Speaker 2: independently spent quite a bit of quite a bit of
Speaker 2: time watching the inauguration of Donald Trump in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: So again, welcome to the podcast. What did you take
Speaker 2: out of yesterday?
Speaker 3: Well, greetings, Yes.
Speaker 4: Well, I went out of my way to actually watch
Speaker 4: the speech.
Speaker 3: Live, and then I went back and listened to it again.
Speaker 4: For me, the speech, if I start, there was an
Speaker 4: experience of unmanling af I think what Trump is giving
Speaker 4: voice to and articulating, he is giving license to people,
Speaker 4: not only in the States, but through the OECD through
Speaker 4: a lot of Western countries, to move beyond the culture
Speaker 4: of being shamed, the culture of feeling personally responsible or
Speaker 4: being burdened with a sense of being the author of injustice.
Speaker 4: It may or may not have been perpetrated over centuries,
Speaker 4: and this has been perfected through the woke ideology, and
Speaker 4: he put all of that to the sword yesterday in
Speaker 4: that speech. And I don't think we should underestimate how
Speaker 4: that's going to unfetter and unmanicle a host of constraints
Speaker 4: that have had the effect of censoring people, had the
Speaker 4: effect of causing them to be cocoon.
Speaker 3: And I think nothing else. That's why he won power.
Speaker 2: And I've not heard it put like that before, and
Speaker 2: I congratulate you on it. I think I think you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right. There was plenty of discussion, plenty of print
Speaker 2: with regard to the politicization of the stepping outside the
Speaker 2: usual and arguably accepted boundaries of what that inauguration speech is,
Speaker 2: no matter who the president might might be. But that's him,
Speaker 2: from beginning to end, step outside the norm and fix
Speaker 2: things that appear or really are broken. And there was
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot broken in the United States,
Speaker 2: and as a result, and I think that you will agree,
Speaker 2: as a result, a hell of a lot that's been
Speaker 2: broken elsewhere in the world.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 4: We've got, well, we've got a situation even in our
Speaker 4: fair isles here in the South Pacific, where sure have
Speaker 4: imported some of the excesses that have lighted the United States.
Speaker 3: And we're.
Speaker 4: Embodied when Kamala Harris sought to be a patriotic fighter,
Speaker 4: she wasn't a fighter of freedom.
Speaker 3: She was a far left fundamentalist.
Speaker 4: And she ran an ideology just because she was a woman,
Speaker 4: a person of color, that people would naturally support her.
Speaker 3: And we've got here that in New Zealand. Look at
Speaker 3: the Maori Party.
Speaker 4: Who continually say to Winston and I that our Maori
Speaker 4: ancestry is diluted. It makes a mockery of what it
Speaker 4: means to be a champion for maldi things. I mean,
Speaker 4: Winston and I detest that foul conception of where the
Speaker 4: mild dimension in New Zealand culture and society sit. Which
Speaker 4: is why every day we stand up in Parliament, why
Speaker 4: every day we say in the media, it's a contributing,
Speaker 4: key feature of what it means to be a New Zealander.
Speaker 4: But stop using it as a crutch, Stop turning it
Speaker 4: into a basis for a new set of moral pleadings,
Speaker 4: as if history has burdened people that they can never
Speaker 4: ever fulfill their potential. Now all of that has been
Speaker 4: put to the sword by Trump's victory, and I look
Speaker 4: forward with Wanston to continuing that message here in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: I know, look, I'm diverting a bit, but you did ask.
Speaker 2: Me, No, you're not diverting, you're saving me to You're
Speaker 2: saving me the trouble and asking the question that to
Speaker 2: would have let us down the same path. Having watched
Speaker 2: you on X make some commentaries where you said, amongst
Speaker 2: other things, colonialism and colonization are not responsible for jail numbers,
Speaker 2: and then talked about this is in a very short
Speaker 2: space of time, talked about responsibility as in personal responsibility
Speaker 2: to stop off loading to aspects of history and current
Speaker 2: day failings and trying to line them up as one
Speaker 2: responsible for the other. Then you said, the Treaty of
Speaker 2: white An you should not be evoked to explain why
Speaker 2: ram raiders or other types of criminality exist. And you
Speaker 2: said a lot more, what sort of reaction do you
Speaker 2: get from that?
Speaker 4: Well, obviously out in the wasteland otherwise known as TikTok
Speaker 4: and other such intellectual deserts, you can imagine it's pretty
Speaker 4: extreme language. But the difficulty is it's very difficult to
Speaker 4: engage on the basis of ideas because this goes for
Speaker 4: the heart of what does it actually mean to be
Speaker 4: a New Zealander. And how do you define the essence
Speaker 4: of what is the substance that holds identity and holds
Speaker 4: a society together?
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what corrodes.
Speaker 4: It is the continual drip of polarizing poison that is
Speaker 4: poured out both by the Green Party and partially the
Speaker 4: deluded souls in the Labor Party, but in the Malti Party.
Speaker 4: And what, in my view is happening is that there
Speaker 4: are not enough of us in politics who are calling
Speaker 4: out that corrosive, destructive influence. I mean, it's akin to
Speaker 4: a virus and it's going to attack the essential organs
Speaker 4: of our community and society unless we can newly rail
Speaker 4: against it. So I've got a mandate from our caucus. Fortunately,
Speaker 4: I believe in what I'm saying. My dad was one
Speaker 4: of seventeen children, like a lot of people of Kaitai area,
Speaker 4: of the Katai area and the north West, the Bobby
Speaker 4: Carbs that have been killed at birth, or a mix
Speaker 4: of the influences that made the north the Galleys, the Maldi's,
Speaker 4: the early pioneers came from the Parkers. We came from
Speaker 4: Wales in England, and it's just that we grew up
Speaker 4: in a certain way where church was important Mom and dad,
Speaker 4: and we house next to the Jaci stallone it next
Speaker 4: to the Madai. But none of that has turned into
Speaker 4: an ideological motive or fig leaf that you use to
Speaker 4: define everything about yourself, the particularities of your identity becoming
Speaker 4: the sole basis upon which, how upon which you project
Speaker 4: whether or not you're fit for a particular role, or
Speaker 4: whether you should be considered for a particular role. And
Speaker 4: we're just going to move beyond that. And at the moment,
Speaker 4: the left has seized upon, seized upon the treaty, and
Speaker 4: seize upon conceptions of history as meaning that you cannot
Speaker 4: be Milordi unless you go back and bring them worst
Speaker 4: interpretation of history to justify why things aren't working out
Speaker 4: to the satisfaction of some a tiny minority in the
Speaker 4: Maori world.
Speaker 3: But of course the politicians and.
Speaker 4: The Maori Party in other areas it using that as
Speaker 4: a recruitment device.
Speaker 3: They're radicalized in their new generation.
Speaker 4: Those who don't want to be radicalized are too busy
Speaker 4: paying their bills, or they're buggering off to Australia.
Speaker 2: And there's been plenty of that. I am speaking of Australia.
Speaker 2: Arrived from Australia in nineteen eighty, so we're talking now
Speaker 2: forty five years ago.
Speaker 4: I remember when you arrived in nineteen eighty, you and
Speaker 4: I were in a law class together. How long did
Speaker 4: you stay in that class? Ah? Sadly, you and I
Speaker 4: we were treotored by a chap called Stephen Koch, who
Speaker 4: went on, I think you might be on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: And I did two years of law and then moved on.
Speaker 4: I certainly could see in quick order I was never
Speaker 4: ever going to be a practicing lawyer, although I was
Speaker 4: attracted to concepts of law and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But that's where I first met you.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, and what was your impression by the way.
Speaker 4: Of yourself? Well, a memorable personality. Because I'm able to
Speaker 4: recite the fact that that's where I met you in
Speaker 4: the tutorial to do with law.
Speaker 2: Then it seems that we have some more in common
Speaker 2: than I might have imagined. Because I got as far
Speaker 2: as the second year, yes, myself as well myself, and
Speaker 2: then decided that well, I'd always wanted to do what
Speaker 2: I what I ended up doing, so let's just leave
Speaker 2: it at that. And I moved on But what I
Speaker 2: was going to say was that when I arrived, I
Speaker 2: garnered an opinion in the first nine months, and I
Speaker 2: told you why. I remember that because I was working
Speaker 2: for Radio New Zealand and in September, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: we all were taken to the Marai up on the
Speaker 2: up on the coast, oh Okay, and we and we
Speaker 2: spent we spent a weekend there, two nights, okay. Now
Speaker 2: part from the fact that on the after the after
Speaker 2: the first night, I went across the road and went
Speaker 2: to the races for the day and skipped skipped class.
Speaker 2: I recall that we're all lined up in rows in
Speaker 2: the marais and there were a lot of people and
Speaker 2: we started at the beginning and we went down the
Speaker 2: roads one by one and everybody had to make commentary
Speaker 2: m and there was a guy who from from Radio
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rural who stood up and started apologizing for everything,
Speaker 2: everything that he could think of that I deserved to
Speaker 2: be apologized for. And there was a response to it
Speaker 2: straight after, and it was from a woman who I
Speaker 2: understood shouldn't have been up on stage because that's not protocol,
Speaker 2: but she got up there and I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: what she said, but her tone was angry and shed
Speaker 2: asused him for much the same sort of reason that
Speaker 2: you would have done the same, and that made that
Speaker 2: made a very big impression. Now, the real reason I
Speaker 2: mentioned this was because I have I've said on a
Speaker 2: number of occasions recently that in the in the when
Speaker 2: I got here, there was much discussion going on about
Speaker 2: race relations the Treaty of Waitangi, and nothing has changed now.
Speaker 2: If you want confirmation of that, yesterday I was told
Speaker 2: of the commentary of a man who is very successful,
Speaker 2: who said that he thought that race relations in New
Speaker 2: Zealand now was worse than it was forty years ago. Now,
Speaker 2: this had no connection with what I've just told you
Speaker 2: about my thoughts, none at all. It was told to
Speaker 2: me by an intermediately. But that race relations in New
Speaker 2: Zealand it is worse now than it was forty years ago,
Speaker 2: you would say.
Speaker 4: I think what he may be referring to is the
Speaker 4: echo chamber that social media represents, the.
Speaker 3: Fact that we.
Speaker 4: Live in a climate and a culture of microaggression and
Speaker 4: small perceived slights are immediately exaggerated and amplified. And because
Speaker 4: I wake up every day as a professional politician willing
Speaker 4: to argue my case. And if it comes to pass
Speaker 4: that a few awkward things are said by me, I
Speaker 4: don't lose any sleepover it. And if you say angry, challenging,
Speaker 4: offensive things to me, I just wear it like a boxer.
Speaker 4: I don't turn it into a new form of grievance.
Speaker 4: But we live in a time where grievance culture too
Speaker 4: often is celebrated and.
Speaker 3: The most sort of kind of.
Speaker 4: Ugly examples of it are in the transgender walls, the
Speaker 4: extreme interpretation of Maori entitlements, which have completely distorted the
Speaker 4: meaning of the treaty, completely derailed the proper and appropriate
Speaker 4: place of the multi dimension as a part of New
Speaker 4: Zealand society. So I feel that where people can see
Speaker 4: that our situation is worse than maybe it was in
Speaker 4: the sixties, I think it's more a comment that the
Speaker 4: tools that you can promote and exaggerate and amplify are
Speaker 4: a lot more potent. And it's the same as in
Speaker 4: the States and my personal experience. What has changed is
Speaker 4: the level of dysfunctionalism, the level of.
Speaker 3: Welfare, the level of violence.
Speaker 4: That we are not holding people responsible for these hideous
Speaker 4: acts that we see on a regular basis and with
Speaker 4: the diminution of being responsible facing.
Speaker 3: Up to the consequences.
Speaker 4: And I don't fully understand how the calculus works when
Speaker 4: the judges take account of various upbringing factors or your
Speaker 4: ethnicity and all that sort of stuff. I mean, I
Speaker 4: worried about it in the newspaper, but honestly I don't
Speaker 4: fully understand it. But I think it's turned into an industry,
Speaker 4: and there's a whole legal arm there's a whole legal
Speaker 4: fraternity who knows how to lessen the impact of a
Speaker 4: person's wrongdoing. And the victims, I think, just give up
Speaker 4: and try and put their lives back together. And then
Speaker 4: these men and women who do these hideous things often
Speaker 4: don't face the full costs of what society demands that
Speaker 4: they should face. So in that way, if I can
Speaker 4: find a biblical analogy, I'm very much of the Old Testament, meaning, well,
Speaker 4: if you are, you don't know, if you know, if
Speaker 4: you know a little, these bloody, hideous things mate that
Speaker 4: we read about on a regular basis, and the punitive
Speaker 4: response seems adversely related. Sure, I mean, as a society
Speaker 4: we should have that Christian dimension. If you're willing to
Speaker 4: change your ways and stretch my hand out of helping.
Speaker 4: But if you're not going to change your ways, I
Speaker 4: really don't care. Just get the hell out of my face.
Speaker 4: And if we condemn you to be excluded and held somewhere,
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Just get the hell out of my face.
Speaker 4: I find my life complicated and challenging enough without suffering
Speaker 4: the prospect of you further blighting it.
Speaker 2: You went to Yale, No, it wasn't Yale, it was
Speaker 2: Harvard and the kids Kennedy School. What did you study?
Speaker 4: I went with my wife and four young children and
Speaker 4: spent a small fortune getting over there. I was fortunate
Speaker 4: enough to have a we scholarship, our scholarship, shall I say,
Speaker 4: from the Harkness Fellowship, And I did economics.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: What else did I do? Economics? Local economy, finance strategy.
Speaker 4: I did a paper offered by an American academic called Fisher.
Speaker 4: He wrote a book, Getting to Yes on Negotiations. That
Speaker 4: was in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one. And as a
Speaker 4: part of the fellowship that I had been awarded, we
Speaker 4: had the ability to move around the States over a
Speaker 4: four or five month period and stayed at the campgrounds
Speaker 4: of America and visited and saw large parts of America,
Speaker 4: and I remain eternally grateful, which is why I always say,
Speaker 4: don't ever bet against America.
Speaker 2: It's a sensible saying. I draw your attention to the
Speaker 2: fact that not just from yesterday and the executive orders
Speaker 2: in large numbers that were signed by I was going
Speaker 2: to say, the new president, well, the old new president,
Speaker 2: the new old president have already had had some effect.
Speaker 2: That it started, it started before that, it started after
Speaker 2: the election, and a lot of things have changed. And
Speaker 2: by that I mean there is now a I saw
Speaker 2: a headline just this morning about the reduction in the
Speaker 2: reduction and withdrawal of a number of large companies from
Speaker 2: matters like DEEI and wocism, and it's amazing. It's amazing
Speaker 2: to see this happen so quickly, because it indicates, it
Speaker 2: indicates to me that it was only ever adopted in
Speaker 2: the first place for shall we say, politically correct reasons,
Speaker 2: and to be looking to well to get the tick
Speaker 2: from wherever you needed to get the tick from the
Speaker 2: stand up and take this previous abomination that has affected
Speaker 2: so many, so many countries, so many companies, so many people,
Speaker 2: and the fact that it's changing now. It flowed down
Speaker 2: from America in the first place. I talk about woke matters.
Speaker 2: Do you imagine that the eradication of it will follow
Speaker 2: the same path.
Speaker 3: If we have public figures.
Speaker 4: Like Winston who are willing to call it out on
Speaker 4: a regular basis, who are willing to expose how absurd,
Speaker 4: self serving it is, and how it's inversely related to
Speaker 4: the interests of the people that it's purported to serve.
Speaker 3: I mean, look no further than the high.
Speaker 4: Priests of American wocism, which was Disneyland. So they no
Speaker 4: doubt were channeling what they conceived to be the power
Speaker 4: culture of that time. That's coming gone now and we're
Speaker 4: going back. As I said at the beginning, we're going
Speaker 4: I mean, I think what's really needed in New Zealand
Speaker 4: And I mean, obviously we're a smaller country and we've
Speaker 4: got a village complex in many respects. However, it's often
Speaker 4: said about Kiwis that we constantly look for affirmation. Apparently
Speaker 4: we ask people who come here or we bump into
Speaker 4: people and we ask and what do they think about
Speaker 4: us in a wall and whatnot? And what New Zealand first,
Speaker 4: and what Winston and I are very keen to do.
Speaker 4: Is that we're not going to solve our social cultural
Speaker 4: dysfunctionalism unless we grow economically. We're not going to grow
Speaker 4: economically until we unleash the animal spirits that actually drove
Speaker 4: the innovation, the risk taking, and the frontier mentality that's
Speaker 4: almost been driven out of us through excessive regulation, the
Speaker 4: inability to call a spade a spade, the kind of
Speaker 4: censorship of language it's it is. It is truly astounding
Speaker 4: how far it's gone. And the only way you can
Speaker 4: push back on it is that Number one, there has
Speaker 4: to be some public figures at the vanguard who are
Speaker 4: continually articulating what people are feeling. And I think there's
Speaker 4: a genuine political market there and it's one that I
Speaker 4: think that Wiston on our behalf tapped into. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't need to be particularly ascetic or offenses, but it
Speaker 4: has to be based on authenticity.
Speaker 2: Can you name any other politicians in government at the
Speaker 2: moment that would fall into that category apart from the
Speaker 2: two of you.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously we've got to we've got to tend,
Speaker 4: but we've got to attend our own, our own estate.
Speaker 4: Perhaps Judith Collins has got some very firm views about
Speaker 4: these things. Obviously, she showed that she's not going to
Speaker 4: be bullied. For example, in terms of how science funding
Speaker 4: is utilized, I saw her in Parliament prior to Christmas
Speaker 4: pointing out that some of the money being allocated under
Speaker 4: the rubric of social progressivism was nothing short of a
Speaker 4: random nonsense and it was being used to advance the
Speaker 4: peculiar careers of a limited number of people who kind
Speaker 4: of set up a little echo chamber in our universities.
Speaker 4: So that's an example. But at the end of the day, mate,
Speaker 4: we've got to get out there, we've got to put
Speaker 4: our own shingle up and convinced Kiwis that we've got
Speaker 4: the fortitude, the lucidity of thought and language to give
Speaker 4: voice to anxiety that Qui families have.
Speaker 2: The same as I would suggest that if you went
Speaker 2: to Harvard now to Harvard Kennedy, you wouldn't you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be learning, you wouldn't be taught the same things and
Speaker 2: in the same way. And that has spread to as
Speaker 2: far as I'm aware, every university in this country. Now
Speaker 2: there are exceptions within it, but if you take my
Speaker 2: favorite example, which is a target the people now who
Speaker 2: have been appointed to run a targo or the hangovers
Speaker 2: from a failed government of this country of most recent times,
Speaker 2: and after what they did to this country, why on
Speaker 2: earth would you want to go to an institution that
Speaker 2: is run by people that failed so dismally. Well, the
Speaker 2: universities are in the midst of a significant crisis. Unless
Speaker 2: they can offer a product, unless they can offer an experience.
Speaker 2: We're people so much are willing to pay, but they
Speaker 2: can continue to generate value, then they are going to
Speaker 2: wither because the days are over of continually shelling peas
Speaker 2: to deliver courses that are inversely related to what the
Speaker 2: economy needs.
Speaker 4: This is what I'm telling you. We've ended up creating factories.
Speaker 4: And those factories have been built recently on a moral philosophy,
Speaker 4: which is a type and a secular society, a type
Speaker 4: of religion as to how you should think, your thoughts,
Speaker 4: your beliefs are curated by these pharisees in these universities.
Speaker 4: And I've been upgraded. Nowhere has it been more damaging
Speaker 4: in the whole area of how the meaning of Maldi
Speaker 4: custom Tikanga, the treaty has been trusted. This notion that
Speaker 4: you can't for example, extract Ironsand's thirty kilometers off the
Speaker 4: coast of Taranaki because it's offense of Tikkung and Maui.
Speaker 4: There is probably the most brightest example of intellectual folly.
Speaker 4: If we don't use the resources of the country, if
Speaker 4: we don't produce wealth from our natural bounty, then we're
Speaker 4: going to go broke. There's no wealth to be created
Speaker 4: from doing each other's washing or continually selling.
Speaker 3: Property to each other. We need to use.
Speaker 4: The kind of legacy of mother nature, exploit it, turn
Speaker 4: it into a flow of goods and services, like every
Speaker 4: other successful economy is doing. It's one oh one mate.
Speaker 2: So the export of our products at this point of
Speaker 2: time is we're on a scale of one hundred.
Speaker 3: Do you think, oh, we'll declined. We've declined markedly.
Speaker 4: Remember there were always there expectation that we go to
Speaker 4: a third and beyond third.
Speaker 3: We well below a third.
Speaker 4: Now, look, I'm giving a major speech on the thirty
Speaker 4: first of January because we're unveiling the critical Mineral strategy
Speaker 4: and hyh and that speech which I'm giving is to
Speaker 4: asfirm that this is a government, this is a minister
Speaker 4: not going to be Caud, not going to be shouted down,
Speaker 4: not going to be intimidated about affirming and accentuating the
Speaker 4: key role that minerals should have, can have, and will
Speaker 4: have in our economic equation. I mean the perversity that
Speaker 4: we believe that we're clean and green, but we're importing
Speaker 4: Indonesian coals, so we export jobs and import carbon. I
Speaker 4: mean it is so absurd words are likely to fail
Speaker 4: me as difficult as people.
Speaker 3: Might think that is likely to take place.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I'm looking at a list of gold production from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three to twenty twenty three in measured in
Speaker 2: killos kilograms, and there it's an all inclusive list, but
Speaker 2: it's attributed to mccraze, including production from open cast and
Speaker 2: underground operations from two thousand and eight onward. Why he
Speaker 2: includes production of open cast and underground operations from two
Speaker 2: thousand and six onward and other which doesn't really matter,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of minuses there. In other words,
Speaker 2: the total production is down. And if I go to
Speaker 2: more recent times, let me see twenty sixteen minus twenty
Speaker 2: two point two percent, up four point three percent, the
Speaker 2: following year down two point four percent, down eighteen point
Speaker 2: two down, twenty eight point seven. Gold production intrigues me
Speaker 2: a great deal because the gold and silver have been
Speaker 2: a hobby, if you like, if not physically so much
Speaker 2: as interest over a lengthy period of time. And both
Speaker 2: of those particular elements have shall we say, struck gold
Speaker 2: at this particular point of time, so totally New Zealand.
Speaker 2: New Zealand has how much potential for profiting from that?
Speaker 4: Look, I'm going to Auckland, Atlanta today to meet a
Speaker 4: delegation of investors who are coming here and they are
Speaker 4: signing off an investment program of hundreds of millions of
Speaker 4: dollars to expand gold production. They haven't just suddenly discovered gold,
Speaker 4: but what is now available in New Zealand as a
Speaker 4: regime that gives you confidence there is light at the.
Speaker 3: End of the statutory tunnel number.
Speaker 4: Two that there is a backchop where this type of
Speaker 4: extractive industry is no longer going to be demonized. The
Speaker 4: investors won't be stigmatized, and they will not be subject
Speaker 4: to this ongoing molestation from small groups who know how
Speaker 4: to use social media, who know how to manipulate politicians,
Speaker 4: and who try to close down these industries.
Speaker 3: Those days Agne in a thousand million years.
Speaker 4: I'm never going to back down to that type of
Speaker 4: green peace thuggery. And that's how you get jobs, that's
Speaker 4: how you boost economic export earnings.
Speaker 3: We have no shortage of goal in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: We've got Santana that is expanding in Bendigo, that's in
Speaker 4: central Otago. Coramndel is riddled with gold and sadly there's
Speaker 4: some well organized hippies and of doll blodging anti capitalist
Speaker 4: people over there who have ruled the roost for far
Speaker 4: too long, and with fast track, their views will be
Speaker 4: only one consideration that will be given due regard to
Speaker 4: and there's not only a host of other minerals. But
Speaker 4: we have a regime now where people can make those
Speaker 4: applications and they won't be held hostage to will no
Speaker 4: longer be able to make their lives misery over years
Speaker 4: and years of delay, where they treat as a deity
Speaker 4: some obscure snail, some largely irrelevant insect, or some frog
Speaker 4: that's likely to be eaten by a captain cooker pig
Speaker 4: before it disappears under the track of a bulldozer. These
Speaker 4: fairy tales, all of this fiction is now going to
Speaker 4: be swept Aside.
Speaker 2: Talked to us about fast Track.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Fast Track is a piece of legislation that's traceable back
Speaker 4: to the coalition agreement between New Zealand First and the
Speaker 4: National Party, and what we agreed to do with the
Speaker 4: support of the Egg Party was to create a one
Speaker 4: stop shop where large projects could make an application that
Speaker 4: would not be held hostage to buy nimbiism or suffer
Speaker 4: the problems that have constantly blighted larger projects in regional
Speaker 4: New Zealand. A panel of specialists who have competencies relevant
Speaker 4: to the application. So if it's a mining application, we'll
Speaker 4: get engineers involved to understand geology. If it's a housing issue,
Speaker 4: will get engineers who are civilly trained. We won't have
Speaker 4: all these worthies who have done half a dozen courses
Speaker 4: and then who arrive and visit upon us fanciful interpretations
Speaker 4: of the law which makes the rest of us poorer
Speaker 4: and they suffer no accountability for their wayward decisions. So
Speaker 4: it's kicking off this year. There'll be a variety of
Speaker 4: panels that have the authority to receive these applications and
Speaker 4: they will be processed and turned around in short order,
Speaker 4: and in my view, it will be the most permissive
Speaker 4: efficient regime certainly in all the states, including New Zealand
Speaker 4: of Australasia, and it's already captured the attention of investors
Speaker 4: from Canada in the United States. And indeed, the first
Speaker 4: thing that Trump said in the resource management space is
Speaker 4: that he's going to pass a fast track piece of legislation.
Speaker 2: Indeed, interestingly, I interviewed on the podcast an American who
Speaker 2: was here last year early last year, and it's involved
Speaker 2: with why he or something a new mine or potential mine,
Speaker 2: and why he undoubtedly he or the organization that he
Speaker 2: represents will be there, will be there today. I look,
Speaker 2: there are so many other aspects of life that I
Speaker 2: want to raise with you, so let me hit on
Speaker 2: a few. I suppose you could say we touched on
Speaker 2: education with universities, but just briefly, how is the education
Speaker 2: system in this country working? From your perspective?
Speaker 4: Well, a fear I have, and it's a matter that's
Speaker 4: been discussed on numerous occasions with New Zealand, first amongst ourselves.
Speaker 3: Is that we fear that.
Speaker 4: Too much power has been taken from the principles and
Speaker 4: the key people in schools so that you do have
Speaker 4: and there and they're presenting themselves with more of These
Speaker 4: kids are presenting with more frequency, they are able to
Speaker 4: be far too disruptive and the options of dealing with
Speaker 4: their disruptiveness are limited.
Speaker 3: So that's that's something I see in Northland.
Speaker 4: At a deeper level, our Prime Minister is absolutely correct.
Speaker 4: We have drifted away from the quality of robust basic
Speaker 4: education that I grew up with, ensuring that you can read, write, count,
Speaker 4: and insisting that those are the essential building blocks for
Speaker 4: a well adjusted New Zealand teenager and New Zealand adult. Fine,
Speaker 4: it's good to have the ability to pursue the humanities
Speaker 4: or the sciences and the disciplines, et cetera. But the
Speaker 4: first building blocks can you count, can you compute?
Speaker 3: Can you read? Can you write?
Speaker 4: And if you can't do that, then the education system
Speaker 4: is simply creating a new range of criminals.
Speaker 2: It's also reflected in the standard quality of the teachers
Speaker 2: that are failing some of those students, is it not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously teacher training is a matter that's
Speaker 4: always in the need of attention. But my mum was
Speaker 4: a teacher, okay, and then occasionally last year mom would
Speaker 4: go and help the young teachers endeavoring to get.
Speaker 3: The wee kiddies whose parents, Oh.
Speaker 4: I don't know what ever happens, whether they're on drugs
Speaker 4: or booze or whatever, any of the kids are lighted.
Speaker 4: So she's a very very gifted teacher and turned eighty
Speaker 4: six yesterday. Actually, so I think it's not only the
Speaker 4: quality of the trading for a teacher. It's not and
Speaker 4: there are various emolguments, but it's the environment that they're
Speaker 4: working in. Where you have an environment and you maybe
Speaker 4: it's an issue with larger schools and you have particularly
Speaker 4: disruptive and increasingly violent kids, you cannot allow that disruptiveness
Speaker 4: to infect negatively the learning environment of the majority of
Speaker 4: your kids.
Speaker 3: Just cannot tolerate it.
Speaker 2: You're also Associate Minister for Finance. You've had things to
Speaker 2: say about Treasury and about the Reserve Bank. Would you
Speaker 2: like to update.
Speaker 4: Oh, well, obviously, the party and myself with our leader,
Speaker 4: I mean, we we only see one way. We came
Speaker 4: in and we said unless we grow the economy, we're
Speaker 4: not going to overcome our obvious problems. You can't cut
Speaker 4: cut and effect growth outcomes. Sure where we find egregious
Speaker 4: examples of stupid expenditure or expenditure that there's no longer
Speaker 4: sustainable or it's unaffordable by all means.
Speaker 3: Rationalize that.
Speaker 4: But as I said, unless we unleash the animal spirits
Speaker 4: of entrepreneurialism, risk taking, and minimize the imposition of red tape,
Speaker 4: you're not going to get that new wave of economic
Speaker 4: renaissance in New Zealand.
Speaker 3: And that's what Treasury now needs to focus on.
Speaker 4: I think that I think that economic policy is beyond
Speaker 4: fiscal policy. Economic policy, I'll tell you one thing there
Speaker 4: we did and I lead, which was to enable the
Speaker 4: marine farming industry to grow by extending all current permits
Speaker 4: till twenty fifty. Just think about what I said. If
Speaker 4: you have a marine farming permit at the moment, bang,
Speaker 4: you don't need to renew it until about twenty fifty.
Speaker 3: Well, the dough is.
Speaker 4: Pouring in as I speak, into that segment of the
Speaker 4: New Zealand economy because people know that they won't be.
Speaker 3: They won't be done over.
Speaker 4: By zealous bureaucrats, they won't be gained by environmental groups
Speaker 4: or Hapoo's trying to close down their business on the
Speaker 4: spurious basis of I don't know rare sea sponges or
Speaker 4: something like that. All of those opportunities for gaming I've stopped,
Speaker 4: and we need to do the same thing with vegetable growing.
Speaker 3: Verse.
Speaker 4: We're about to bring vegetables in from Thailand, I'm told
Speaker 4: because vegetable growers cannot meet these exacting water quality standards
Speaker 4: that have been imposed on them. It is truly astounding
Speaker 4: that we're allowing this sort of thing to happen in
Speaker 4: New Zealand's in my view, in terms of economic policy
Speaker 4: and what treasure can help us. Shep it through. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of those statutory consent barriers. We should just
Speaker 4: be done away with them. Well, how did they such
Speaker 4: other challenges? How did such are the challenges? How did
Speaker 4: they invade? How did they invade in the first place? Well,
Speaker 4: successive groups of politicians have blindly followed the advice of officials,
Speaker 4: not pushed back.
Speaker 3: And past.
Speaker 4: Blithely a variety of policy statements, and then they've been
Speaker 4: interpreted by regional and local government.
Speaker 3: You already know this story.
Speaker 4: I recall Building saying a few years ago that town
Speaker 4: and country planets of Auckland had more power than the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister. And of course, when the regional councilors try
Speaker 4: to rain in the town and country planets or whatever
Speaker 4: the how they're called. Now they're told, oh, you're at governess,
Speaker 4: this is executive, so then they have the ability to
Speaker 4: exercise a normalous authority.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a perverse example in New Zealand, if
Speaker 3: you want to.
Speaker 4: Put up a shelter about, it has to be three
Speaker 4: meters in from the road, if it's an artificial shelter about.
Speaker 3: So just think about this.
Speaker 4: Were meant to be looking after elite soils, so you
Speaker 4: can grow tuck up, but you're not allowed to use
Speaker 4: the three meters in from the road. You have to
Speaker 4: have a shell about if it's an artificial and three
Speaker 4: meters but if, however, if it's planting a row of trees,
Speaker 4: it can be right on the road. I mean, just stupid,
Speaker 4: my numbingly foolish things like that. And if you add
Speaker 4: them all up, it does impede productivity. But who's responsible
Speaker 4: for that. You go to the mayor doesn't even know
Speaker 4: it's happening. You go to the councilors. They try to
Speaker 4: something about it. Oh you're going to go to the CEO,
Speaker 4: goes to the head of planning, and nothing happens, so
Speaker 4: I believe, which is what I've done for the regional
Speaker 4: sorry for resource consents for marine farming not flew away
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 3: That's what's happened.
Speaker 4: Places going to flower and those of us who enjoy
Speaker 4: eating the bounty of the ocean, We're going to see
Speaker 4: lots more of it for exports and domestic purposes.
Speaker 2: I should ask you your your thoughts on the current
Speaker 2: debate and battle, even with regard to the ownership of
Speaker 2: the coastline.
Speaker 4: Well, I read this morning that a judge and I
Speaker 4: have to I don't want to revisit big fight I
Speaker 4: had last year and I dismissed the judge as a communist.
Speaker 3: I've moved on from that.
Speaker 4: But I saw that a judge has needed to allocate
Speaker 4: customary title. I think that Court of Appeal decision that
Speaker 4: liberalized the interpretation and simplified the process for hapo's to
Speaker 4: get their rights recognized in the Seabedd and Foreshaw environment.
Speaker 4: It's being largely corrected by the Supreme Court passing and
Speaker 4: issuing a judgment late last year. But at a deeper level,
Speaker 4: the more uncertainty that one introduces, then the more barriers
Speaker 4: you're putting in the way of those who want to
Speaker 4: invest or those who want to turn those spaces into enterprise,
Speaker 4: whether it's expanding ports, whether it's creating other enterprises, and
Speaker 4: we just can't afford it. Look, look, look, we've created
Speaker 4: a situation in New Zealand where we've got a regulatory
Speaker 4: edifice that is unaffordable for a tiny population of five
Speaker 4: million people an economy of four hundred billion GDP. We
Speaker 4: just cannot afford to bear the dead weight burden of.
Speaker 3: All of these regulations.
Speaker 4: And obviously David Seymour's endeavoring to strip them everywhere I
Speaker 4: find them in my area, they are being eviscerated. I
Speaker 4: told you what I don't know marine farming. I'm about
Speaker 4: to do a similar thing with fishing. We're going to
Speaker 4: do a similar thing with mining. But as I said,
Speaker 4: these are relatively smallest areas in our economy, but in
Speaker 4: some regions they're incredibly important because they're large scale employers
Speaker 4: and they generate doe for us and for the listeners
Speaker 4: who understand economics, said no, that exports beings, fresh money
Speaker 4: from an alternative, from an external source absolutely what the
Speaker 4: country needs.
Speaker 2: There are two areas that that are of a considerable concern.
Speaker 2: Let me let me deal with electricity first, the power
Speaker 2: supply and the government. The government launched a review to
Speaker 2: ensure electricity market is fit for purpose. The one person
Speaker 2: that I that I rely on for solid, sound, sensible,
Speaker 2: accurate information it says. It says we are on the
Speaker 2: verge of total total collapse. Mm hmm, well you've I
Speaker 2: might have exaggerated that, but only very slightly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now you've followed what I said I once den
Speaker 4: I in New Zealand. First, we've long concluded that the
Speaker 4: current structure that represents electricity industries no longer fit for purpose.
Speaker 4: It was, it was introduced and it's calcified since the
Speaker 4: mid to late nineties. Sadly, we only got six percent
Speaker 4: six percent of the vote last time around, so we're
Speaker 4: unable to bring our.
Speaker 3: Reform agenda, which was substantial.
Speaker 4: And where I'm the Associate Minister of Energy and there's
Speaker 4: a new guy, Minister Watts. I'm hoping he brings substantial
Speaker 4: wattage rhythm and the options that may be contained in
Speaker 4: the reports by the Commerce Commission and the Electricity Authority,
Speaker 4: that we make a move on them, because it's going
Speaker 4: to have a deathly.
Speaker 3: Impact on our economy.
Speaker 4: If our economy, if our if security continues to diminish,
Speaker 4: but affordability.
Speaker 3: Continues to spin out of control.
Speaker 4: And I put productivity problems in New Zealand at the
Speaker 4: feet of energy before I put it anywhere else.
Speaker 2: I've not heard anybody say that before. They may have,
Speaker 2: but I haven't heard it. And it's sound and principled
Speaker 2: and correct. The new rules to be introduced that require
Speaker 2: fuel companies to hold at least ten days of jet
Speaker 2: fuel near the country's busiest airport to provide resilience against
Speaker 2: supplied disruptions currently either being introduced or have been introduced.
Speaker 2: You update me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, several years ago there was an incident south of
Speaker 4: Fargada where a digger ruptured the pipeline coming out of
Speaker 4: Marston Point.
Speaker 3: That pipeline was eventually.
Speaker 4: Repaired and a report was inevitably produced. Amongst other things,
Speaker 4: it called for the fuel companies to store more fuel
Speaker 4: for aviation purposes on site somewhere near the airport. Fast
Speaker 4: forward five or six years jacket happened. So at the
Speaker 4: end of last year told the fuel companies the game's up,
Speaker 4: passing regulations. If you want to stay in New Zealand,
Speaker 4: you have to do it, and surprise, surprise, they all
Speaker 4: agreed to do it. The sad thing is that they've
Speaker 4: been promising to do it for the last five or
Speaker 4: six years, but for reasons I don't even go into
Speaker 4: all this program, it never happened.
Speaker 3: Is it a good thing to do?
Speaker 4: Well, it's never a good thing to rely on regulation,
Speaker 4: certainly when market participants keep promising to do it. But anyway,
Speaker 4: that's why it's going to take places. We're going to
Speaker 4: boost our resilience.
Speaker 2: All right. Was the destruction of that pipeline and its
Speaker 2: entirety warranted.
Speaker 4: Well, the pipeline was ruptured somewhere near Marson Point.
Speaker 3: It still exists. Now.
Speaker 4: The difficulty is, in the event that we have a
Speaker 4: similar outage, we need to have a backup source of fuel.
Speaker 4: That's the guts of it. There will now be a
Speaker 4: backup source of fuel. I'm not saying that the pipeline
Speaker 4: will be molested again, but hey, one needs to have contingencies,
Speaker 4: and that's basically what the outcome is.
Speaker 2: Indeed, in conclusion, let's go back to where we started.
Speaker 3: Sure, the.
Speaker 2: New president who was the old president. It's waste of
Speaker 2: time saying that. Now Trump yesterday late last night signed
Speaker 2: an executive order with regard to the World Health Organization.
Speaker 2: America is pulling out of it. It's also pulling out
Speaker 2: of the Paris Accord as well, which was to be expected.
Speaker 2: But the World Health Organization is the one that attracted
Speaker 2: my attention most of all because I agree with Well.
Speaker 2: I agree with his interpretation of things and his attitude
Speaker 2: toward it. I don't know about you exactly, but I
Speaker 2: would I would welcome a government that withdrew New Zealand
Speaker 2: from the WY show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I wrote an article before we came back into
Speaker 4: politics pouring spawn upon that organization and basically saying that
Speaker 4: it had failed New Zealand of course, but it's a
Speaker 4: sort of place where you're likely to find Helen Clark
Speaker 4: and her ilk so they don't like the way New
Speaker 4: Zealand first thinks about these things. But look, we're definitely
Speaker 4: doubting Thomas's about the usefulness and quite frankly, the fact
Speaker 4: that the World Health Organization has proven to be an
Speaker 4: institution that undermines the sovereignty of nations like New Zealand.
Speaker 4: As the position of the party, but once again you
Speaker 4: have a situation where New Zealand first, until we can
Speaker 4: garner more electoral support at a future election. Our ability
Speaker 4: to unilaterally force any governments that were a part of
Speaker 4: to withdraw from international global organizations.
Speaker 3: Heah, as should I say? As we can progress?
Speaker 4: But any of your listeners, they simply have to google
Speaker 4: our historic position and they'd see that we're very much
Speaker 4: doubting Thomas's about that particular organization?
Speaker 2: Was that article you wrote published and.
Speaker 4: The New Zealand Herald. Yes, was published in the New
Speaker 4: Zealand Herald. So when was that off? Say, let me
Speaker 4: think twenty twenty three, maybe August, September, July, somewhere back there.
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of I got an enormous amount
Speaker 4: of feedback for it.
Speaker 2: It's worth following up. Put it that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 2: Now, if you were to draw up a list of
Speaker 2: matters that we haven't touched on, I suspect it would
Speaker 2: be fairly lengthy. And I know what's I know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen, that there's going to be requests for more.
Speaker 2: So can I get a commitment from you down the track?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I've always regarded a sort of peer in your pocket.
Speaker 4: But I've always regarded Laton your style of journalism, but
Speaker 4: also you're an interrogative style as being very rare and
Speaker 4: extremely extremely valuable for those of us who occupy not
Speaker 4: only positions of public importance, but I also enjoy listening
Speaker 4: to public public discourse. You have a great role to
Speaker 4: play and I'm and I'm up for talking to you again, mate,
Speaker 4: I mean obvious white HONGI.
Speaker 3: This year.
Speaker 4: We will will be served up some polarities. David will
Speaker 4: come defending the work that he's doing in relation to
Speaker 4: the Treaty Principal's Bill. The Maori Party will turn up
Speaker 4: with a various set of verbal diarrhea flows, which will
Speaker 4: be a type of recruitment device and further evidence of
Speaker 4: trying to radicalize a new generation.
Speaker 3: But the vast majority of.
Speaker 4: Us, Mate, will be in the middle, wanting to focus
Speaker 4: on the economy and focus on the issues that draw
Speaker 4: people together, because we know that Boss, our constitution and
Speaker 4: the Treaty and entitlements are very important and citizenship must
Speaker 4: be always defended. Unless we can continue to grow the economy,
Speaker 4: we're not going to have the surplus to maintain the
Speaker 4: quality of life that we've taken for Grunted.
Speaker 2: Very well, stated, I suspect no, I don't. I would
Speaker 2: like to think that what we've witnessed so far in Washington,
Speaker 2: in the last in the last couple of days, and
Speaker 2: even back to back to the election, would have an
Speaker 2: influence on some leadership in not just New Zealand, but
Speaker 2: in Australia specifically outside of outside of our borders, because
Speaker 2: there is inspiration needed and there are some people who
Speaker 2: need a good kick in the backside. I appreciate your commentry.
Speaker 2: I don't adjust to flattery well, but I will suggest
Speaker 2: that my wife will accept it with gratitude.
Speaker 3: Ah go make you take care.
Speaker 5: Bye, Thank you Shane, by bye.
Speaker 2: Missus producer, Welcome Back Later, Podcast number two hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2: You've had about sixteen weeks up only twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Did you have fun? Why do you look?
Speaker 6: I think we had great a tremendous amount.
Speaker 2: I don't know about we. Did you have fun?
Speaker 6: Great fun? Every day is a good day. And we
Speaker 6: had a wonderful Christmas and New Year, spent it with
Speaker 6: wonderful friends. Christmas and then you are their close friends.
Speaker 2: This was in This was in Sydney, and we sort
Speaker 2: of overdid things of it On the occasion.
Speaker 6: Speak for yourself, buddy.
Speaker 2: That was coming home too early.
Speaker 6: We had a great time, and I hope everybody else
Speaker 6: did too, because it's been a lovely summer.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So Podcast two hundred and seventy, let's see what we've got.
Speaker 6: Laighton Gin says in twenty twenty four, we learned three
Speaker 6: important lessons from history. First, miracles do happen. Despite the
Speaker 6: constant defamation from mainstream media, the weaponization of law by
Speaker 6: the Democrats, and the second assassination attempt on his life.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump's return as the forty seventh president of the
Speaker 6: US is nothing short of a miracle. Secondly, one person
Speaker 6: can make a difference. You mentioned Robbie Starbuck, a Hollywood
Speaker 6: music video director who turned into a one manned army
Speaker 6: against DEI. He and his team manage to pressure Walmart Harley,
Speaker 6: Davison Ford, and many others to abandon their DEI policies.
Speaker 6: And Thirdly, boundaries are compulsory for human flourishing. We have
Speaker 6: to protect children from being castrated by trans ideology, protect
Speaker 6: the country's borders from unwanted immigrants, and protect free speech
Speaker 6: from being stifled. In twenty five, I look forward to
Speaker 6: three things firstly that Justin Trudeau will be deposed in Canada.
Speaker 6: Secondly that more woke companies go broke, starting with Jaguar,
Speaker 6: and third lee that I get to listen to Leyton
Speaker 6: Smith's podcast three hundred. I know it's been said many
Speaker 6: times by others, but it's worth repeating. Thank you for
Speaker 6: doing God's work and speaking truth to power in your
Speaker 6: podcasts later you make every Wednesday a real joy. Can't
Speaker 6: wait for this year.
Speaker 2: And here we are in this year of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and it's only the beginning. I listened intently to your
Speaker 2: replay podcast. Now before I go on, I've got a
Speaker 2: number of letters on this particular podcast that was replayed.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read them all because you can
Speaker 2: share them or share them response, but it was very interesting.
Speaker 2: I listened intently to your replay podcast The best of
Speaker 2: Professor Paul Merrick on January fifteenth, following Your Query, he
Speaker 2: mentioned that prior to the pandemic, he was a regular
Speaker 2: reader of publications such as Scientific American, The Lancet, and
Speaker 2: other related publications, but has since realized that much of
Speaker 2: the information appears to have a bias. Your query relating
Speaker 2: to his views on Staatens is of concern to me because,
Speaker 2: as my own doctor has suggested, I consider their use
Speaker 2: due to my personal cholesterol levels and atrial fibrillation. Best
Speaker 2: regards from Karl. The one thing I would say, and
Speaker 2: this applies to everyone when it comes to statin's. I
Speaker 2: know I've had my thing to say about them. I
Speaker 2: would put it this way. As far as advice is concerned,
Speaker 2: and I don't give advice, it's my personal thoughts. What
Speaker 2: you need to do is, if you're concerned about staatens
Speaker 2: is research them for all your worth, talk to as
Speaker 2: many medical people as you get the chance to, and
Speaker 2: make your own decision, because there are people around who
Speaker 2: swear by them. Actually, I know somebody who's been on
Speaker 2: one for twenty years and recons It's kept all Leydon.
Speaker 6: Liz says, firstly, best wishes for a happy, successful and
Speaker 6: healthy New Year. I emailed you last year when you
Speaker 6: celebrated fifty years in broadcasting, saying that I hoped to
Speaker 6: achieve the same thing in my own career. In April
Speaker 6: this year, the gold card will arrive. And although that
Speaker 6: through years of tax paying I have earned it, I'm
Speaker 6: fortunate enough not to have to rely on it. At
Speaker 6: the ripe old age of sixty four, I have been
Speaker 6: promoted to head a fifty million New Zealand dollar business,
Speaker 6: something I am so pleased to have achieved while I
Speaker 6: still have health and mental capacity on my side. As
Speaker 6: a very wise old and still working boss of mine
Speaker 6: said when I told him, the news age is nothing
Speaker 6: only a number. What is important is passion, energy and talent.
Speaker 6: As I head into twenty twenty five in my new role,
Speaker 6: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't just a
Speaker 6: little nervous. However, his words and your example will stay
Speaker 6: with me as I take on the challenge of driving
Speaker 6: our business forward. Liz, from me somebody of a similar age,
Speaker 6: I salute you. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: I guess who got their goal card over Christmas? Now
Speaker 2: from Steve, Welcome back, Laden and missus producer. I trust
Speaker 2: that you had a great refreshing break and a recharge
Speaker 2: to tackle the year ahead. I have no doubt that
Speaker 2: this coalition will live or die by its performance in
Speaker 2: this calendar year. The Maori nonsense of partnership and co
Speaker 2: governance must be put to bed once and for all.
Speaker 2: When mari Elites can finally be forced to accept and
Speaker 2: understand the treaty was signed by hundreds of individual chiefs
Speaker 2: and not a united nation deserving recognition as a unified
Speaker 2: country pre European settlement. If they were unified, then why
Speaker 2: is there not one settlement encompassing one nation. It has
Speaker 2: become tiresome that we still have Marie government named entities.
Speaker 2: This coalition needs to live up to its promises. The
Speaker 2: year needs to put climate change to bed once and
Speaker 2: for all. CO two is the source of oxygen through
Speaker 2: photosynthesis and is zero point zero four of the gas.
Speaker 2: So when will these thick, uneducated individuals start telling the truth.
Speaker 2: I wish my wife and I were twenty years younger
Speaker 2: so we could leave this joke of a country. I
Speaker 2: wish you all the best and keep up the good fight.
Speaker 2: Steve plenty of value in that letter, and you're going
Speaker 2: to get plenty of what you want. Well it it
Speaker 2: feels that I've said this elsewhere. It feels like the
Speaker 2: I don't know that the douve has been lifted off
Speaker 2: the bed in the height of summer and we are
Speaker 2: free to say what we want to, and damn it
Speaker 2: we will.
Speaker 6: Leyden Brett says, isn't it interesting the world over that
Speaker 6: the same basic manipulations of people goes on today as
Speaker 6: it always has. Nothing new under the sun. These things
Speaker 6: are extremely well known and well studied, yet we keep
Speaker 6: falling prey to manipulation as if we are unaware entirely,
Speaker 6: and humanity has learned nothing from its own history, which
Speaker 6: we keep repeating. It's like humanity can't or won't break
Speaker 6: free of our primitive hard wiring and bad habits, even
Speaker 6: though we have the potential within us to do so.
Speaker 6: In New Zealand, we suffer from long term poor governance,
Speaker 6: yet can't seem to find our way out of the
Speaker 6: cycled trap. The blind leading the blind, as it were,
Speaker 6: What will it take to shift us out of our
Speaker 6: malaise and find a path firmly anchored in integrity, wisdom
Speaker 6: and highest good? Are we even brave enough to undertake
Speaker 6: such a journey? That's from Brett.
Speaker 2: Brett very well said what do we need? Not do
Speaker 2: we need? Isn't hasn't it? I mean this is being
Speaker 2: said all along, but seeing that we've been away and
Speaker 2: not had a chance to broadcast, I will just keep
Speaker 2: saying it in various ways.
Speaker 6: We need clever people from overseas who want to come
Speaker 6: and live here.
Speaker 2: We need to add to thee and people with money,
Speaker 2: and people with money who wish to dispense with it appropriately.
Speaker 6: Business acumen is what we need.
Speaker 2: We need fewer people with no brains.
Speaker 6: Okay, well that's short and sharp.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Latent for replaying your interview with
Speaker 2: Paul Merrick. I was fortunate enough to listen to your
Speaker 2: first interview with him when his book Cancer Care was
Speaker 2: banned from Amazon. Listening to your introduction to this replay
Speaker 2: was very welcoming, with you stating the book is now
Speaker 2: available on Amazon again, the second edition which I received today. Nathan,
Speaker 2: I hope that you get out of it, or you've
Speaker 2: got out of it what you're looking for. Let me know.
Speaker 6: Layton David says, maybe the answer to the woes of
Speaker 6: education are summed up in this quote from Winston Churchill.
Speaker 6: Schools have not necessarily much to do with education. They
Speaker 6: are mainly institutions of control where certain basic habits must
Speaker 6: be inculcated in the young. Education is quite different and
Speaker 6: has little place in school, and one might say that
Speaker 6: until the end University, says Dave. The children are pupils
Speaker 6: and on entry to higher education, the term student may
Speaker 6: become applicable depending on results.
Speaker 2: So I listened to your podcast with Michael Johnson of
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Initiative. I ah, this is a very
Speaker 2: good email listener from Rob. I listened to your podcast
Speaker 2: with Michael Johnson of the New Zealand Initiative. I recently
Speaker 2: retired as a UK trained educational psychologist who worked in
Speaker 2: New Zealand for fifteen years and can inform you as
Speaker 2: to the reasons for the many failures within the educational
Speaker 2: system here. There is a lack of standards and a
Speaker 2: consistency so that school and classrooms range from excellent to appalling.
Speaker 2: This was described in a Radio a New Zealand article
Speaker 2: and podcast which I contributed to in twenty nineteen. If
Speaker 2: your ideological views are a barrier to such a national
Speaker 2: mandate over regulation, I would point out that the Leaky
Speaker 2: Homes FIESCO was quickly resolved with a building code of practice,
Speaker 2: short to the point and said with some.
Speaker 6: Experience Latin Chris says, welcome back to a world that
Speaker 6: seems saner now that President Donald Trump has brought common
Speaker 6: sense to the Oval Office. The attached article and he
Speaker 6: attaches something to you from the spectator Laton from the
Speaker 6: thirteenth of July. It's oddly prophetic, he says, as to
Speaker 6: the lead policies of Donald Trump. The article describes a
Speaker 6: coming populist revolution, which I think started at the fifth
Speaker 6: of November election in the States. Perhaps news A politicians
Speaker 6: would do well to understand what their people really want,
Speaker 6: lest they fulfill Jordan Peterson's prediction of a silk war
Speaker 6: sparked by people feeling hated on because they have the
Speaker 6: wrong color of skin. That's from Chris and he says
Speaker 6: success is when you look back and the memories make
Speaker 6: you smile.
Speaker 2: Just re listening to some old podcasts podcast two sixty
Speaker 2: one with Anthony Willie. In this one you mentioned some
Speaker 2: new climate change research that had just been released. Just
Speaker 2: wondering if you could please direct me to it. Listen
Speaker 2: intently to your podcast and re listen to a few,
Speaker 2: especially now as there is a gap in new releases.
Speaker 2: Keep up the great work. Don't know what we would
Speaker 2: do without your diligent work. Regards to missus producer. Also
Speaker 2: she is a delight to listen to. Peter Peter Peter,
Speaker 2: thank you, Anita. I don't know that I've heard from
Speaker 2: Peter before, but I could have. It's been quite a
Speaker 2: few Peter, appreciate all of that. With regard to that
Speaker 2: podcast two sixty one, I honestly cannot remember what it was,
Speaker 2: but if I get a chance, I will re listen
Speaker 2: to podcasts two six to one and see if that
Speaker 2: can direct me. But I'm going to have to find
Speaker 2: some spare time somewhere. I don't know quite how I'm
Speaker 2: going to do it.
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to Leyden having his next holiday because
Speaker 6: now that he's back, he is in the studio twenty
Speaker 6: three hours a day. Yes, and you enjoy it so much, Layton,
Speaker 6: don't you?
Speaker 2: Twenty two hours a day. I enjoy it. The other
Speaker 2: hour is a reserve for frustration, Leighton.
Speaker 6: The last one from me is from Paul. As a
Speaker 6: chef by trade, albeit one who has been in and
Speaker 6: out of the hospitality sector for over thirty years. It
Speaker 6: was comforting to reflect whilst listening to the conversation with
Speaker 6: the great Tony Estell. I have worked as a chefferd
Speaker 6: and around Auckland for years. To Tony Astell reflect on
Speaker 6: his time as the chef at Antoine's brought forth a
Speaker 6: flood of memories In the restaurants where I worked. The
Speaker 6: conversation occasionally broached the subjects of the best restaurant and
Speaker 6: chef in Auckland. On many occasions, the answers were unanimous.
Speaker 6: Tony Astell and Antoine's. Your conversation with Tony was a
Speaker 6: nice change from some of the more serious topical discussions
Speaker 6: over the last year. All those discussions were of massive importance,
Speaker 6: but chatting with your friend Tony Astell was a great
Speaker 6: way to end this year's series of podcasts. And then
Speaker 6: Paul says, I look forward to next year's run of podcasts.
Speaker 2: And again here we are, and wasn't.
Speaker 6: Tony listening to Tony fantastic?
Speaker 2: Tony was the first person in the worl. We've made
Speaker 2: a meal of this at the time as our pardon
Speaker 2: the pun. Tony was the first person to do it
Speaker 2: from the studio here. Now that's at least one more.
Speaker 6: We walked past Antoine's what was Antoins the other day,
Speaker 6: didn't we? And I hope it's a very six tessful
Speaker 6: business because somebody else is in there. But it was
Speaker 6: so sad to see that it was.
Speaker 2: It's not a restaurant he bought, It's a tailor shop.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. It's a shame anyway, Tony's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Finally, this was sent to me by someone. Well, I'll
Speaker 2: read I'll read it. I sent an email long ago
Speaker 2: but never received acknowledgment. So this time I found a
Speaker 2: definitive way great living in a country was no parliament
Speaker 2: in operation. Trudeau truly, yes, he's writing from Canada. Trudeau
Speaker 2: truly has screwed Canadians into the ground. Over nine years,
Speaker 2: He's rejected over half a trillion dollars of investment, purely
Speaker 2: because he's been captured by his Prime Minister's Office advisor,
Speaker 2: mister Butts, who has to be a communist. Tragic is
Speaker 2: how tragic is how I describe Canada today? Three point
Speaker 2: listen to this. Three point seven five million visits in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to just one Ontario food bank alone.
Speaker 2: Hundreds lined streets in a line in the snow just
Speaker 2: to hopefully sign up for a doctor who offered five
Speaker 2: hundred new patients for the opportunity. One man in the
Speaker 2: line hadn't been able to get on a doctor's patient
Speaker 2: list for ten years. These people have no doctor, So
Speaker 2: you get the picture. Trump tariff threat goes down this
Speaker 2: Saturday for every one. Canadian government has done nothing to
Speaker 2: stop precursors for fentanyl manufacturing coming through Vancouver Port and
Speaker 2: subsequently used by Mexican cartels in BC Canada to manufacture
Speaker 2: fentanyl then shipped to the US and everywhere else there
Speaker 2: that you're still above ground. Apparently our souls live on,
Speaker 2: so I may bump into you in the afterlife. God
Speaker 2: bless you, you old bugger. I hope this gets to you.
Speaker 2: The plumber Bill wrote to me quite a while back.
Speaker 2: He did, and I'm positive that I responded to him,
Speaker 2: but it was a goodbye letter, so you'll never hear
Speaker 2: from me again. Well, here you are, and I think
Speaker 2: you're realizing that I might have had a point or
Speaker 2: three when you decided to go. And it's sad, but
Speaker 2: I miss you. I have to say that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people I miss, but I do miss you,
Speaker 2: and I do think about you more more than you
Speaker 2: think of me. So there this is produced. On that note,
Speaker 2: we shall see you next week.
Speaker 6: By the way, I've just googled Liz who wrote the letter.
Speaker 6: She's just starting the new business.
Speaker 3: Liz.
Speaker 6: I want to know what you're doing now, and you
Speaker 6: look amazing. You do not look anything like sixty four.
Speaker 6: I'm off now.
Speaker 2: It's just a beauty consultant with you know.
Speaker 6: We people have to we sixty four year olds have
Speaker 6: to stick together.
Speaker 2: You look younger by the day. Anyway, we shall see
Speaker 2: you next week, shall we?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is that all right?
Speaker 6: It's the date?
Speaker 2: Okay, Maybe we'll put it together better next week. It's
Speaker 2: probably not. It's been so exciting getting back. So let
Speaker 2: me pick up on some issues that are very important
Speaker 2: and need much more attention, and I'll do it this way.
Speaker 2: I was at dinner recently, and also at the dinner
Speaker 2: was and I was sitting next to me actually was
Speaker 2: a twenty three year old from overseas, and the subject
Speaker 2: came up about what bothers young people these days, and
Speaker 2: the one thing he said, nothing bothers me, really, except
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about climate change. And he wasn't addressing me
Speaker 2: at that time, but I said to him when he paused,
Speaker 2: I said, where did you get this information about climate
Speaker 2: change that's got you so upset? He didn't seem that upset,
Speaker 2: to be honest, but he said that that was his
Speaker 2: greatest concern, and he said, well, from school. And I
Speaker 2: asked him what they were taught, and basically he outlined
Speaker 2: what we all know. So I told him he had
Speaker 2: been misled badly, and he said, well, where am I
Speaker 2: going to find the information that will back up what
Speaker 2: you're saying? So I thought about it for a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes, and I suggested to him that he listened
Speaker 2: to the two podcasts that we did in the early
Speaker 2: days with doctor Tim Ball, because both of them were
Speaker 2: very good, and I know that he has now would
Speaker 2: have listened to them because he was very keen. He said,
Speaker 2: and if you got any books, I'll get them and
Speaker 2: I'll read them. So I recommended Tim Ball's book. I
Speaker 2: went through my list of books at home, my pilot
Speaker 2: books on this particular subject. I thought, no, Tim Ball's
Speaker 2: actually very good. Well he was, because he's now deceased, sadly,
Speaker 2: and I want to quote you from the Deliberate career
Speaker 2: eruption of climate science by Tim Ball, and I could
Speaker 2: read your half the book, but I won't. There have, been,
Speaker 2: of course, other sad deceptions throughout history, but all of
Speaker 2: them were regional or at most continental. The deceptive idea
Speaker 2: of human generated CO two causes global warming or climate
Speaker 2: change impacted every person in the entire world. Thus it
Speaker 2: reflects Marshall mcclewan's concept of the global village. This book
Speaker 2: shows how the deception was designed to be global by
Speaker 2: involving every nation through the agencies of the United Nations. Historians,
Speaker 2: with the benefit of twenty twenty hindsight, will wonder how
Speaker 2: such a small group was able to achieve such a
Speaker 2: massive deception. There are several reasons why the public was deceived,
Speaker 2: and there's nine of them. They're all short. The objective
Speaker 2: and therefore the science were premeditated. The scientific focus was
Speaker 2: deliberately narrowed to CO two from the start. Accountable government
Speaker 2: agencies were involved and in control science and political structures
Speaker 2: and procedures were put in place to enhance the deception.
Speaker 2: Actions were taken to block or divert challenges. The people's
Speaker 2: natural fears about change and catastrophe were exploited. You think
Speaker 2: the public's lack of scientific understanding, especially with regard to
Speaker 2: climate science, was exploited. You think times two. People find
Speaker 2: it hard to believe a deception on such a grand
Speaker 2: scale could occur. That's a very important one. People find
Speaker 2: it hard to believe a deception on such a grand
Speaker 2: scale could occur, and finally number nine opponents were ruthlessly attacked,
Speaker 2: causing others to remain silent. Then I turned the page
Speaker 2: and is using examples, considered this brave but late admission
Speaker 2: by German physicist and meteorologist Klaus Echard plus plus plus
Speaker 2: And here is what Klaus Eckhart plus wrote ten years ago.
Speaker 2: I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day
Speaker 2: I started checking the facts and data. First, I started
Speaker 2: with a sense of doubt, but then I became outraged
Speaker 2: when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and
Speaker 2: the media were telegus was sheer nonsense and was not
Speaker 2: even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day,
Speaker 2: I feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations
Speaker 2: of their science without first checking it scientifically. It is
Speaker 2: sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate
Speaker 2: by turning a co to adjustment. Knob now Timbore comments,
Speaker 2: if someone so knowledgeable about the subjects of meteorology and
Speaker 2: atmospheric physics can be so readily deceived, it is not
Speaker 2: surprising that the general public was deceived to scores the
Speaker 2: effectiveness of the deliberate and carefully orchestrated climate science deception. However,
Speaker 2: it also underscores the problems of writing a book that
Speaker 2: identifies what they did and how it was done. Just
Speaker 2: a short take from the deliberate corruption of climate science,
Speaker 2: and you can still buy the book. Of course, Timball died.
Speaker 2: I think it was in twenty one, very sadly well,
Speaker 2: not too long after we interviewed him with regard to
Speaker 2: his victory over Michael Mann. Now let's turn attention to
Speaker 2: something a little more local across the Tasman. Ala Moran
Speaker 2: wrote in on January twenty nine, actually wrote in Spectator magazine,
Speaker 2: to rescue our economy, quote unquote, Trump signed Day one
Speaker 2: orders to end all Biden restrictions on energy production, terminate
Speaker 2: his insane electric vehicle mandate, cancel his natural gas export ban,
Speaker 2: reopen anwrn a lee Asca, the biggest site potentially anywhere
Speaker 2: in the world, and declare a national energy emergency. So
Speaker 2: he terminated Biden's Green New Deal, pulled out of the
Speaker 2: Paris Accord, and castigated the Davos elites who could do
Speaker 2: nothing more than acquiesce in his triumphant procession. Among the
Speaker 2: measures is a freeze on two hundred and eighty billion
Speaker 2: dollars for green energy said to have a very negative effect,
Speaker 2: and the Wall Street journalist declared climate change ideology is
Speaker 2: dying and the corporate world is reacting. Goes On gives
Speaker 2: some from examples, including in Australia. Now when we come
Speaker 2: to some New Zealand matters, and they're very recent, firstly
Speaker 2: by data publication on January twenty nine, headline Luxon's credibility
Speaker 2: on the line was tomorrow's climate target announcement. There we
Speaker 2: go to what followed. Simon Watts just harpooned the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's Going for Growth plan was published on the twenty
Speaker 2: sorry published on the thirty first of January. Added is
Speaker 2: damning from the New Zealand Taxpayers Union. At eight pm
Speaker 2: last night, presumably to avoid pickup on the morning news shows,
Speaker 2: Climate Change Minister Simon Watts released New Zealand's twenty thirty
Speaker 2: five nationally determined contribution to combating climate change under the
Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. The target, which locks unavoidable agricultural omissions into
Speaker 2: New Zealand's international targets, are even more ambitious than the
Speaker 2: twenty thirty targets made when Jacinda Aderner James Shaw flew
Speaker 2: to Glasgow. They will cost future taxpayers literally tens of
Speaker 2: billions of dollars in penalties. The Taxpayers Union executive director
Speaker 2: Jordan Williams said Adern's fifty percent emissions reduction by twenty
Speaker 2: thirty target was ludicrous. Treasury estimates that in just five
Speaker 2: years taxpayers will be on the hook for up to
Speaker 2: twenty four billion, that is twelve thousand per New Zealand household.
Speaker 2: The government has now signed us up for another bill
Speaker 2: for five years later to not only lock this cost
Speaker 2: in but go even harder for twenty thirty five is
Speaker 2: economic sabotage. What city's cabinet colleagues are not going to
Speaker 2: be around in a decade to have to pay the bill,
Speaker 2: but are doubling down on Paris at the very time,
Speaker 2: the very time our trading partners are pulling back. Robert McCulloch,
Speaker 2: by the way, professor of economics at Auckland's University, wrote
Speaker 2: a very good piece Christopher Luxon's Ministry of Economic Development
Speaker 2: may as well be a ministry of silly walks. I
Speaker 2: recommend its reading. There is one more from the Taxpayers' Union.
Speaker 2: The National Party was once seen as the Party for farmers,
Speaker 2: but it seems that's no longer the case. The Taxpayers
Speaker 2: Union can confirm that CLI Change Minister Simon Watts refused
Speaker 2: multiple requests by New Zealand's largest farming group to meet
Speaker 2: ahead of his decision to ramp up the countries already
Speaker 2: twenty four billion dollar Paris Agreement contributions. Taxpayers Union spokesman
Speaker 2: James Ross said, what is Simon Watt's job because if
Speaker 2: it's taking a balanced approach to stakeholders, is not doing it. Quote.
Speaker 2: Publicly disclosed ministerial diaries show Minister Watts is happy to
Speaker 2: get cozy with anti agriculture activist groups like Greenpeace, the
Speaker 2: World Wildlife Fund and the Ayata Rower Circle, but his
Speaker 2: staff would not even reply to emails from Federated Farmers.
Speaker 2: Nor did Watts meet with Beef and Lamb or even
Speaker 2: a Chamber of Commerce in formulating his Paris target agriculture
Speaker 2: accounts for half hour missions. Forget just Mann policy. Not
Speaker 2: meeting with major stakeholders in the industry the minister has
Speaker 2: announced he plans to decimate is either extreme arrogance or
Speaker 2: severe incompetence. Well, how about a combination of both national
Speaker 2: MPs We're more than happy to join protest marches against
Speaker 2: James Shaw and Jacinda Adurn's climate policy. It's one thing
Speaker 2: to get into government and adopt the same policies, It's
Speaker 2: quite another to ghost the stakeholders who got you there.
Speaker 2: And finally, if you'll bear with me, because I think
Speaker 2: it's important. I received this from Ellen Mandeno or Mendano
Speaker 2: from the Methane Science Accord, who asks and says I
Speaker 2: would appreciate it if you could please share this press
Speaker 2: release from the Methane Science Accord regarding the recent emissions
Speaker 2: reduction targets. Thank you in kind regards. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: think I've ever spoken with Helen, or certainly never met her,
Speaker 2: but I looked at it, read it, and I thought
Speaker 2: this must be shared. New Zealand government nagh eve and confused.
Speaker 2: New Zealand farmers are aghast at the environmentally ignorant and
Speaker 2: economically inept greenhouse gas emissions targets announced by the coalition
Speaker 2: government last week, even worse than previous targets from the
Speaker 2: Green Party playbook. The Nets have now shown their anemically
Speaker 2: weak understanding of science and have instead taken the impotent
Speaker 2: option of simply demanding higher generic targets. We thought we
Speaker 2: had a coalition who understood the economy, who could see
Speaker 2: through rampant extremism in climate change positioning, and would acknowledge
Speaker 2: the fact that Kiwi farmers are the best in the
Speaker 2: world producing more food with lower emissions. We are the
Speaker 2: only sector in the world that actually utilizes a greenhouse
Speaker 2: gas as part of our food production through photosynthesis process
Speaker 2: and the only sector with an offset. Pasture raised livestock
Speaker 2: are net sequesters of greenhouse gases, but is ignored by
Speaker 2: our own sector as this doesn't suit their current ideology.
Speaker 2: These targets are not only unnecessary and misguided, they now
Speaker 2: fast track the destruction of the integrity of our world
Speaker 2: class red meat protein production as we loom towards feed
Speaker 2: additives and expensive interference with natural methane processes through a
Speaker 2: myriad of pointless vaccines, boluses and misguided genetics. The real
Speaker 2: shame is the waste of taxpayer money and science resources
Speaker 2: that will be diverted even further toward chasing methane fairies.
Speaker 2: ILike that toward chasing methane fairies instead of genuine R
Speaker 2: and D. The government is asking for a fight on
Speaker 2: this and a fight they will get. We will need
Speaker 2: individual farmers mobilized in order to do this, as our
Speaker 2: own sector leaders have simply appeased and agreed all in
Speaker 2: the name of gaining accolades, funding and avoiding embarrassment around
Speaker 2: the one billion dollars that has been squandered on methane
Speaker 2: reduction to date. Us to Watts needs a cold bath
Speaker 2: of reality. At the very same time that his own
Speaker 2: government demands increased production and growth. He has just cut
Speaker 2: the wings off the golden goose that would have paid
Speaker 2: for hospitals and healthcare that we already cannot afford. The
Speaker 2: sad reality is that all New Zealanders will pay for
Speaker 2: these misguided targets through even higher energy and food costs
Speaker 2: and continued slower economic growth. Prepare for more pine trees
Speaker 2: at a further decline in our sector. From James Smith,
Speaker 2: Methane Science Accord founding member, New Zealand Representative, Global Farmer,
Speaker 2: Roundtable environmentalist and free range farmer. The very, very powerful
Speaker 2: and potent and I repeat myself commentary and I hope
Speaker 2: it inspires many of you to react accordingly. Who would
Speaker 2: have thought that this government that got swept to power
Speaker 2: would have taken such a dumb, ignorant idiotic approach. Now,
Speaker 2: I do you think that's too dramatic? You're not yet
Speaker 2: aware of the damage that's being done by this supposedly
Speaker 2: supposedly conservative government or is that an exaggeration? Now, anyone
Speaker 2: from the government is welcome to get in touch and
Speaker 2: we'll talk further if you wish to defend it. But
Speaker 2: on the fact or on the basis that Simon wants
Speaker 2: mite even talk to the biggest farming people, I don't
Speaker 2: expect any acknowledgement. And on that happy note, we shall
Speaker 2: depart from podcasts number two hundred and seventy but it's
Speaker 2: time for people to speak up more than they ever
Speaker 2: have before. I'm still stunned that this government is taking
Speaker 2: this approach. Now, if you want to correspond with us,
Speaker 2: go for your life later at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot
Speaker 2: nz and Carolyn with a why don't forget crol Yn
Speaker 2: at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot Nz. We shall return in
Speaker 2: a few days with podcasts number two hundred and seventy one.
Speaker 2: Until then, thank you for listening, thank you for your patience,
Speaker 2: and love to hear from you, and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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