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Speaker 2: Welcome to podcasts two hundred and seventy for February five,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and may I welcome you to the

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Speaker 2: seventh year of the Laten Smith Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: At the end of last year, I had the idea

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Speaker 2: only be interesting but also useful and not to forget, entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Shane Jones, Deputy Leader of New Zealand. First, I thought

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Speaker 2: qualified on all counts. We were due to record on

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Speaker 2: the same day that Donald Trump was sworn in, but

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Speaker 2: I had technical issues and we had about three different

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Speaker 2: But the reason I mentioned that is because he was

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Speaker 2: most courteous, most obliging, in fact extremely obliging, and fulfilled

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Speaker 2: my expectations with what I thought he would provide. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're wondering why we recorded that earlier, it was

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Speaker 2: because he was going to be tied up at this

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Speaker 2: particular time with White TANGI matters now at the back end,

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Speaker 2: following the mail room with missus producer, I draw your

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Speaker 2: attention to if you don't already know what the present

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Speaker 2: government is absconding from in its responsibilities, Well that's my

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Speaker 2: interpretation of the way things are coming about. I expect

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Speaker 2: you'll have to make your own judgment call at the time.

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Speaker 2: But what is taking place at the moment is I

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Speaker 2: believe undesirable and incompetent and a betrayal. And I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that most of you will agree, but you'll have to

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Speaker 2: make up your own mind and do let me know,

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Speaker 2: by the way, So in just a moment, mister Jones.

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Speaker 2: see your health professional. Farmer Broker Auckland. Jane Jones is

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Speaker 2: the deputy leader of the New Zealand First Party. He

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Speaker 2: has a number of number of roles covering energy, finance,

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Speaker 2: oceans and fisheries, regional development and resources, Associate Minister for

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Speaker 2: some and Minister for others. If you look at his history,

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Speaker 2: he's got a hell of a lot of positions. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: but that may depend on your opinion of the man

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Speaker 2: is with the great pleasure I welcome you to the

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Speaker 2: Late and Smith Podcast. The first of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and Shane, we're releasing this on the fifth of February,

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Speaker 2: the day before White Tangy Day, but we are recording

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Speaker 2: reason that I wanted to outline this and make it

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Speaker 2: time watching the inauguration of Donald Trump in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: So again, welcome to the podcast. What did you take

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Speaker 3: Well, greetings, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Well, I went out of my way to actually watch

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Speaker 3: Live, and then I went back and listened to it again.

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Speaker 4: For me, the speech, if I start, there was an

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Speaker 2: And I've not heard it put like that before, and

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Speaker 4: Embodied when Kamala Harris sought to be a patriotic fighter,

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Speaker 3: She was a far left fundamentalist.

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Speaker 3: And we've got here that in New Zealand. Look at

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Speaker 4: Who continually say to Winston and I that our Maori

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Speaker 4: Winston and I detest that foul conception of where the

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Speaker 4: I know, look, I'm diverting a bit, but you did ask.

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously out in the wasteland otherwise known as TikTok

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what corrodes.

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Speaker 4: It is the continual drip of polarizing poison that is

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Speaker 4: I believe in what I'm saying. My dad was one

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Speaker 4: define everything about yourself, the particularities of your identity becoming

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Speaker 3: They're radicalized in their new generation.

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Speaker 4: Those who don't want to be radicalized are too busy

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Speaker 2: And there's been plenty of that. I am speaking of Australia.

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Speaker 2: Arrived from Australia in nineteen eighty, so we're talking now

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Speaker 4: I remember when you arrived in nineteen eighty, you and

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Speaker 4: we were treotored by a chap called Stephen Koch, who

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Speaker 3: And I did two years of law and then moved on.

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Speaker 4: I certainly could see in quick order I was never

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Speaker 3: But that's where I first met you.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, and what was your impression by the way.

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Speaker 4: Of yourself? Well, a memorable personality. Because I'm able to

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Speaker 2: Then it seems that we have some more in common

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Speaker 2: it at that. And I moved on But what I

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Speaker 4: I find my life complicated and challenging enough without suffering

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Speaker 2: You went to Yale, No, it wasn't Yale, it was

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Speaker 2: The same as I would suggest that if you went

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Speaker 4: This is what I'm telling you. We've ended up creating factories.

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Speaker 4: And I've been upgraded. Nowhere has it been more damaging

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Speaker 4: There is probably the most brightest example of intellectual folly.

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Speaker 2: So the export of our products at this point of

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Speaker 2: time is we're on a scale of one hundred.

435
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Speaker 3: Do you think, oh, we'll declined. We've declined markedly.

436
00:30:07,213 --> 00:30:09,653
Speaker 4: Remember there were always there expectation that we go to

437
00:30:09,693 --> 00:30:11,133
Speaker 4: a third and beyond third.

438
00:30:10,933 --> 00:30:12,133
Speaker 3: We well below a third.

439
00:30:12,173 --> 00:30:14,653
Speaker 4: Now, look, I'm giving a major speech on the thirty

440
00:30:14,693 --> 00:30:19,293
Speaker 4: first of January because we're unveiling the critical Mineral strategy

441
00:30:20,373 --> 00:30:23,653
Speaker 4: and hyh and that speech which I'm giving is to

442
00:30:24,653 --> 00:30:27,413
Speaker 4: asfirm that this is a government, this is a minister

443
00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:29,893
Speaker 4: not going to be Caud, not going to be shouted down,

444
00:30:30,053 --> 00:30:35,533
Speaker 4: not going to be intimidated about affirming and accentuating the

445
00:30:35,613 --> 00:30:39,653
Speaker 4: key role that minerals should have, can have, and will

446
00:30:39,693 --> 00:30:43,973
Speaker 4: have in our economic equation. I mean the perversity that

447
00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:48,453
Speaker 4: we believe that we're clean and green, but we're importing

448
00:30:48,573 --> 00:30:52,973
Speaker 4: Indonesian coals, so we export jobs and import carbon. I

449
00:30:52,973 --> 00:30:56,973
Speaker 4: mean it is so absurd words are likely to fail

450
00:30:57,053 --> 00:30:59,013
Speaker 4: me as difficult as people.

451
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Speaker 3: Might think that is likely to take place.

452
00:31:02,813 --> 00:31:06,413
Speaker 2: Indeed, I'm looking at a list of gold production from

453
00:31:06,493 --> 00:31:10,013
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three to twenty twenty three in measured in

454
00:31:10,413 --> 00:31:17,333
Speaker 2: killos kilograms, and there it's an all inclusive list, but

455
00:31:17,453 --> 00:31:23,093
Speaker 2: it's attributed to mccraze, including production from open cast and

456
00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:25,613
Speaker 2: underground operations from two thousand and eight onward. Why he

457
00:31:26,453 --> 00:31:29,693
Speaker 2: includes production of open cast and underground operations from two

458
00:31:29,733 --> 00:31:34,933
Speaker 2: thousand and six onward and other which doesn't really matter,

459
00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:39,253
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of minuses there. In other words,

460
00:31:39,253 --> 00:31:43,013
Speaker 2: the total production is down. And if I go to

461
00:31:43,133 --> 00:31:48,733
Speaker 2: more recent times, let me see twenty sixteen minus twenty

462
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:53,373
Speaker 2: two point two percent, up four point three percent, the

463
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:57,253
Speaker 2: following year down two point four percent, down eighteen point

464
00:31:57,253 --> 00:32:01,173
Speaker 2: two down, twenty eight point seven. Gold production intrigues me

465
00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:04,133
Speaker 2: a great deal because the gold and silver have been

466
00:32:04,973 --> 00:32:08,653
Speaker 2: a hobby, if you like, if not physically so much

467
00:32:09,253 --> 00:32:14,853
Speaker 2: as interest over a lengthy period of time. And both

468
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:19,773
Speaker 2: of those particular elements have shall we say, struck gold

469
00:32:20,053 --> 00:32:23,973
Speaker 2: at this particular point of time, so totally New Zealand.

470
00:32:24,173 --> 00:32:28,653
Speaker 2: New Zealand has how much potential for profiting from that?

471
00:32:31,973 --> 00:32:36,573
Speaker 4: Look, I'm going to Auckland, Atlanta today to meet a

472
00:32:36,613 --> 00:32:42,493
Speaker 4: delegation of investors who are coming here and they are

473
00:32:42,533 --> 00:32:48,293
Speaker 4: signing off an investment program of hundreds of millions of

474
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:58,533
Speaker 4: dollars to expand gold production. They haven't just suddenly discovered gold,

475
00:32:59,453 --> 00:33:03,013
Speaker 4: but what is now available in New Zealand as a

476
00:33:03,093 --> 00:33:07,013
Speaker 4: regime that gives you confidence there is light at the.

477
00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:09,973
Speaker 3: End of the statutory tunnel number.

478
00:33:09,693 --> 00:33:15,413
Speaker 4: Two that there is a backchop where this type of

479
00:33:15,893 --> 00:33:20,373
Speaker 4: extractive industry is no longer going to be demonized. The

480
00:33:20,453 --> 00:33:25,133
Speaker 4: investors won't be stigmatized, and they will not be subject

481
00:33:25,693 --> 00:33:32,253
Speaker 4: to this ongoing molestation from small groups who know how

482
00:33:32,293 --> 00:33:36,053
Speaker 4: to use social media, who know how to manipulate politicians,

483
00:33:36,613 --> 00:33:38,693
Speaker 4: and who try to close down these industries.

484
00:33:38,773 --> 00:33:43,213
Speaker 3: Those days Agne in a thousand million years.

485
00:33:43,253 --> 00:33:45,733
Speaker 4: I'm never going to back down to that type of

486
00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 4: green peace thuggery. And that's how you get jobs, that's

487
00:33:51,253 --> 00:33:55,013
Speaker 4: how you boost economic export earnings.

488
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Speaker 3: We have no shortage of goal in New Zealand.

489
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Speaker 4: We've got Santana that is expanding in Bendigo, that's in

490
00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:08,013
Speaker 4: central Otago. Coramndel is riddled with gold and sadly there's

491
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:15,533
Speaker 4: some well organized hippies and of doll blodging anti capitalist

492
00:34:15,533 --> 00:34:17,773
Speaker 4: people over there who have ruled the roost for far

493
00:34:17,853 --> 00:34:21,573
Speaker 4: too long, and with fast track, their views will be

494
00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:26,733
Speaker 4: only one consideration that will be given due regard to

495
00:34:27,573 --> 00:34:31,933
Speaker 4: and there's not only a host of other minerals. But

496
00:34:31,973 --> 00:34:36,133
Speaker 4: we have a regime now where people can make those

497
00:34:36,213 --> 00:34:40,693
Speaker 4: applications and they won't be held hostage to will no

498
00:34:40,813 --> 00:34:46,573
Speaker 4: longer be able to make their lives misery over years

499
00:34:46,613 --> 00:34:52,773
Speaker 4: and years of delay, where they treat as a deity

500
00:34:53,693 --> 00:35:01,013
Speaker 4: some obscure snail, some largely irrelevant insect, or some frog

501
00:35:01,853 --> 00:35:04,973
Speaker 4: that's likely to be eaten by a captain cooker pig

502
00:35:05,133 --> 00:35:08,653
Speaker 4: before it disappears under the track of a bulldozer. These

503
00:35:08,693 --> 00:35:11,973
Speaker 4: fairy tales, all of this fiction is now going to

504
00:35:11,973 --> 00:35:13,253
Speaker 4: be swept Aside.

505
00:35:13,853 --> 00:35:15,653
Speaker 2: Talked to us about fast Track.

506
00:35:17,333 --> 00:35:17,533
Speaker 3: Well.

507
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:20,653
Speaker 4: Fast Track is a piece of legislation that's traceable back

508
00:35:20,693 --> 00:35:25,613
Speaker 4: to the coalition agreement between New Zealand First and the

509
00:35:25,693 --> 00:35:30,213
Speaker 4: National Party, and what we agreed to do with the

510
00:35:30,333 --> 00:35:34,333
Speaker 4: support of the Egg Party was to create a one

511
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:40,533
Speaker 4: stop shop where large projects could make an application that

512
00:35:40,613 --> 00:35:48,853
Speaker 4: would not be held hostage to buy nimbiism or suffer

513
00:35:48,893 --> 00:35:54,453
Speaker 4: the problems that have constantly blighted larger projects in regional

514
00:35:54,493 --> 00:36:01,813
Speaker 4: New Zealand. A panel of specialists who have competencies relevant

515
00:36:01,973 --> 00:36:05,133
Speaker 4: to the application. So if it's a mining application, we'll

516
00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:10,573
Speaker 4: get engineers involved to understand geology. If it's a housing issue,

517
00:36:10,573 --> 00:36:14,213
Speaker 4: will get engineers who are civilly trained. We won't have

518
00:36:14,293 --> 00:36:17,573
Speaker 4: all these worthies who have done half a dozen courses

519
00:36:18,053 --> 00:36:24,773
Speaker 4: and then who arrive and visit upon us fanciful interpretations

520
00:36:24,813 --> 00:36:26,973
Speaker 4: of the law which makes the rest of us poorer

521
00:36:27,373 --> 00:36:33,053
Speaker 4: and they suffer no accountability for their wayward decisions. So

522
00:36:33,613 --> 00:36:37,733
Speaker 4: it's kicking off this year. There'll be a variety of

523
00:36:37,893 --> 00:36:42,093
Speaker 4: panels that have the authority to receive these applications and

524
00:36:42,253 --> 00:36:45,173
Speaker 4: they will be processed and turned around in short order,

525
00:36:45,573 --> 00:36:49,013
Speaker 4: and in my view, it will be the most permissive

526
00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 4: efficient regime certainly in all the states, including New Zealand

527
00:36:53,213 --> 00:36:58,133
Speaker 4: of Australasia, and it's already captured the attention of investors

528
00:36:58,133 --> 00:37:00,853
Speaker 4: from Canada in the United States. And indeed, the first

529
00:37:00,893 --> 00:37:04,733
Speaker 4: thing that Trump said in the resource management space is

530
00:37:04,733 --> 00:37:07,333
Speaker 4: that he's going to pass a fast track piece of legislation.

531
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Speaker 2: Indeed, interestingly, I interviewed on the podcast an American who

532
00:37:14,973 --> 00:37:20,173
Speaker 2: was here last year early last year, and it's involved

533
00:37:20,253 --> 00:37:24,293
Speaker 2: with why he or something a new mine or potential mine,

534
00:37:24,333 --> 00:37:29,493
Speaker 2: and why he undoubtedly he or the organization that he

535
00:37:29,573 --> 00:37:34,893
Speaker 2: represents will be there, will be there today. I look,

536
00:37:34,893 --> 00:37:37,333
Speaker 2: there are so many other aspects of life that I

537
00:37:37,373 --> 00:37:39,173
Speaker 2: want to raise with you, so let me hit on

538
00:37:39,253 --> 00:37:44,253
Speaker 2: a few. I suppose you could say we touched on

539
00:37:44,413 --> 00:37:50,813
Speaker 2: education with universities, but just briefly, how is the education

540
00:37:51,013 --> 00:37:53,813
Speaker 2: system in this country working? From your perspective?

541
00:37:56,293 --> 00:37:59,053
Speaker 4: Well, a fear I have, and it's a matter that's

542
00:37:59,093 --> 00:38:04,533
Speaker 4: been discussed on numerous occasions with New Zealand, first amongst ourselves.

543
00:38:04,293 --> 00:38:06,653
Speaker 3: Is that we fear that.

544
00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:16,453
Speaker 4: Too much power has been taken from the principles and

545
00:38:16,493 --> 00:38:20,253
Speaker 4: the key people in schools so that you do have

546
00:38:20,373 --> 00:38:23,373
Speaker 4: and there and they're presenting themselves with more of These

547
00:38:23,693 --> 00:38:27,653
Speaker 4: kids are presenting with more frequency, they are able to

548
00:38:27,733 --> 00:38:31,813
Speaker 4: be far too disruptive and the options of dealing with

549
00:38:31,893 --> 00:38:33,653
Speaker 4: their disruptiveness are limited.

550
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:38,093
Speaker 3: So that's that's something I see in Northland.

551
00:38:39,213 --> 00:38:44,173
Speaker 4: At a deeper level, our Prime Minister is absolutely correct.

552
00:38:44,693 --> 00:38:50,133
Speaker 4: We have drifted away from the quality of robust basic

553
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:56,133
Speaker 4: education that I grew up with, ensuring that you can read, write, count,

554
00:38:57,133 --> 00:39:03,253
Speaker 4: and insisting that those are the essential building blocks for

555
00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:08,853
Speaker 4: a well adjusted New Zealand teenager and New Zealand adult. Fine,

556
00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:13,013
Speaker 4: it's good to have the ability to pursue the humanities

557
00:39:14,413 --> 00:39:17,573
Speaker 4: or the sciences and the disciplines, et cetera. But the

558
00:39:17,613 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 4: first building blocks can you count, can you compute?

559
00:39:21,933 --> 00:39:24,053
Speaker 3: Can you read? Can you write?

560
00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:27,813
Speaker 4: And if you can't do that, then the education system

561
00:39:28,013 --> 00:39:31,213
Speaker 4: is simply creating a new range of criminals.

562
00:39:34,453 --> 00:39:39,493
Speaker 2: It's also reflected in the standard quality of the teachers

563
00:39:39,533 --> 00:39:43,573
Speaker 2: that are failing some of those students, is it not.

564
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:51,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously teacher training is a matter that's

565
00:39:52,093 --> 00:39:56,893
Speaker 4: always in the need of attention. But my mum was

566
00:39:56,933 --> 00:39:59,693
Speaker 4: a teacher, okay, and then occasionally last year mom would

567
00:39:59,733 --> 00:40:04,893
Speaker 4: go and help the young teachers endeavoring to get.

568
00:40:04,733 --> 00:40:08,973
Speaker 3: The wee kiddies whose parents, Oh.

569
00:40:08,813 --> 00:40:11,053
Speaker 4: I don't know what ever happens, whether they're on drugs

570
00:40:11,133 --> 00:40:13,333
Speaker 4: or booze or whatever, any of the kids are lighted.

571
00:40:13,493 --> 00:40:16,733
Speaker 4: So she's a very very gifted teacher and turned eighty

572
00:40:16,773 --> 00:40:21,853
Speaker 4: six yesterday. Actually, so I think it's not only the

573
00:40:22,013 --> 00:40:25,573
Speaker 4: quality of the trading for a teacher. It's not and

574
00:40:25,613 --> 00:40:29,253
Speaker 4: there are various emolguments, but it's the environment that they're

575
00:40:29,293 --> 00:40:33,413
Speaker 4: working in. Where you have an environment and you maybe

576
00:40:33,493 --> 00:40:36,213
Speaker 4: it's an issue with larger schools and you have particularly

577
00:40:36,773 --> 00:40:43,533
Speaker 4: disruptive and increasingly violent kids, you cannot allow that disruptiveness

578
00:40:44,213 --> 00:40:47,573
Speaker 4: to infect negatively the learning environment of the majority of

579
00:40:47,613 --> 00:40:48,093
Speaker 4: your kids.

580
00:40:48,573 --> 00:40:49,773
Speaker 3: Just cannot tolerate it.

581
00:40:51,053 --> 00:40:54,733
Speaker 2: You're also Associate Minister for Finance. You've had things to

582
00:40:54,773 --> 00:40:58,533
Speaker 2: say about Treasury and about the Reserve Bank. Would you

583
00:40:58,613 --> 00:40:59,333
Speaker 2: like to update.

584
00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:07,093
Speaker 4: Oh, well, obviously, the party and myself with our leader,

585
00:41:07,093 --> 00:41:11,373
Speaker 4: I mean, we we only see one way. We came

586
00:41:11,413 --> 00:41:14,173
Speaker 4: in and we said unless we grow the economy, we're

587
00:41:14,213 --> 00:41:18,853
Speaker 4: not going to overcome our obvious problems. You can't cut

588
00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:25,173
Speaker 4: cut and effect growth outcomes. Sure where we find egregious

589
00:41:25,173 --> 00:41:31,693
Speaker 4: examples of stupid expenditure or expenditure that there's no longer

590
00:41:31,733 --> 00:41:34,773
Speaker 4: sustainable or it's unaffordable by all means.

591
00:41:34,893 --> 00:41:35,693
Speaker 3: Rationalize that.

592
00:41:36,653 --> 00:41:39,693
Speaker 4: But as I said, unless we unleash the animal spirits

593
00:41:39,693 --> 00:41:45,653
Speaker 4: of entrepreneurialism, risk taking, and minimize the imposition of red tape,

594
00:41:46,053 --> 00:41:52,253
Speaker 4: you're not going to get that new wave of economic

595
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:53,813
Speaker 4: renaissance in New Zealand.

596
00:41:54,653 --> 00:41:57,813
Speaker 3: And that's what Treasury now needs to focus on.

597
00:42:00,213 --> 00:42:04,533
Speaker 4: I think that I think that economic policy is beyond

598
00:42:04,533 --> 00:42:08,333
Speaker 4: fiscal policy. Economic policy, I'll tell you one thing there

599
00:42:09,133 --> 00:42:13,613
Speaker 4: we did and I lead, which was to enable the

600
00:42:13,733 --> 00:42:18,613
Speaker 4: marine farming industry to grow by extending all current permits

601
00:42:18,853 --> 00:42:22,573
Speaker 4: till twenty fifty. Just think about what I said. If

602
00:42:22,613 --> 00:42:25,213
Speaker 4: you have a marine farming permit at the moment, bang,

603
00:42:25,293 --> 00:42:28,293
Speaker 4: you don't need to renew it until about twenty fifty.

604
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:29,933
Speaker 3: Well, the dough is.

605
00:42:29,973 --> 00:42:34,293
Speaker 4: Pouring in as I speak, into that segment of the

606
00:42:34,333 --> 00:42:38,293
Speaker 4: New Zealand economy because people know that they won't be.

607
00:42:40,853 --> 00:42:42,213
Speaker 3: They won't be done over.

608
00:42:42,733 --> 00:42:49,413
Speaker 4: By zealous bureaucrats, they won't be gained by environmental groups

609
00:42:49,493 --> 00:42:53,813
Speaker 4: or Hapoo's trying to close down their business on the

610
00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:59,653
Speaker 4: spurious basis of I don't know rare sea sponges or

611
00:42:59,693 --> 00:43:05,253
Speaker 4: something like that. All of those opportunities for gaming I've stopped,

612
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:07,933
Speaker 4: and we need to do the same thing with vegetable growing.

613
00:43:08,453 --> 00:43:08,653
Speaker 3: Verse.

614
00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:11,733
Speaker 4: We're about to bring vegetables in from Thailand, I'm told

615
00:43:12,253 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 4: because vegetable growers cannot meet these exacting water quality standards

616
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:22,733
Speaker 4: that have been imposed on them. It is truly astounding

617
00:43:22,773 --> 00:43:24,653
Speaker 4: that we're allowing this sort of thing to happen in

618
00:43:24,693 --> 00:43:28,053
Speaker 4: New Zealand's in my view, in terms of economic policy

619
00:43:28,053 --> 00:43:32,093
Speaker 4: and what treasure can help us. Shep it through. There's

620
00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:36,013
Speaker 4: a lot of those statutory consent barriers. We should just

621
00:43:36,173 --> 00:43:39,413
Speaker 4: be done away with them. Well, how did they such

622
00:43:39,453 --> 00:43:41,933
Speaker 4: other challenges? How did such are the challenges? How did

623
00:43:42,013 --> 00:43:46,053
Speaker 4: they invade? How did they invade in the first place? Well,

624
00:43:46,413 --> 00:43:52,293
Speaker 4: successive groups of politicians have blindly followed the advice of officials,

625
00:43:52,373 --> 00:43:53,613
Speaker 4: not pushed back.

626
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:57,133
Speaker 3: And past.

627
00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:03,533
Speaker 4: Blithely a variety of policy statements, and then they've been

628
00:44:03,613 --> 00:44:05,893
Speaker 4: interpreted by regional and local government.

629
00:44:05,933 --> 00:44:07,133
Speaker 3: You already know this story.

630
00:44:07,413 --> 00:44:10,293
Speaker 4: I recall Building saying a few years ago that town

631
00:44:10,333 --> 00:44:12,613
Speaker 4: and country planets of Auckland had more power than the

632
00:44:12,613 --> 00:44:16,053
Speaker 4: Prime Minister. And of course, when the regional councilors try

633
00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:18,093
Speaker 4: to rain in the town and country planets or whatever

634
00:44:18,133 --> 00:44:21,453
Speaker 4: the how they're called. Now they're told, oh, you're at governess,

635
00:44:21,453 --> 00:44:25,493
Speaker 4: this is executive, so then they have the ability to

636
00:44:25,533 --> 00:44:26,973
Speaker 4: exercise a normalous authority.

637
00:44:26,973 --> 00:44:29,253
Speaker 3: I'll give you a perverse example in New Zealand, if

638
00:44:29,293 --> 00:44:30,173
Speaker 3: you want to.

639
00:44:31,613 --> 00:44:34,453
Speaker 4: Put up a shelter about, it has to be three

640
00:44:34,573 --> 00:44:37,133
Speaker 4: meters in from the road, if it's an artificial shelter about.

641
00:44:37,453 --> 00:44:38,493
Speaker 3: So just think about this.

642
00:44:38,573 --> 00:44:41,533
Speaker 4: Were meant to be looking after elite soils, so you

643
00:44:41,573 --> 00:44:44,333
Speaker 4: can grow tuck up, but you're not allowed to use

644
00:44:44,453 --> 00:44:46,493
Speaker 4: the three meters in from the road. You have to

645
00:44:46,533 --> 00:44:48,813
Speaker 4: have a shell about if it's an artificial and three

646
00:44:48,853 --> 00:44:52,573
Speaker 4: meters but if, however, if it's planting a row of trees,

647
00:44:52,573 --> 00:44:56,133
Speaker 4: it can be right on the road. I mean, just stupid,

648
00:44:56,613 --> 00:44:59,573
Speaker 4: my numbingly foolish things like that. And if you add

649
00:44:59,573 --> 00:45:03,653
Speaker 4: them all up, it does impede productivity. But who's responsible

650
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:05,893
Speaker 4: for that. You go to the mayor doesn't even know

651
00:45:05,933 --> 00:45:08,293
Speaker 4: it's happening. You go to the councilors. They try to

652
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Speaker 4: something about it. Oh you're going to go to the CEO,

653
00:45:11,013 --> 00:45:16,133
Speaker 4: goes to the head of planning, and nothing happens, so

654
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Speaker 4: I believe, which is what I've done for the regional

655
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Speaker 4: sorry for resource consents for marine farming not flew away

656
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Speaker 4: with them.

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Speaker 3: That's what's happened.

658
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Speaker 4: Places going to flower and those of us who enjoy

659
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Speaker 4: eating the bounty of the ocean, We're going to see

660
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Speaker 4: lots more of it for exports and domestic purposes.

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Speaker 2: I should ask you your your thoughts on the current

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Speaker 2: debate and battle, even with regard to the ownership of

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Speaker 2: the coastline.

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Speaker 4: Well, I read this morning that a judge and I

665
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Speaker 4: have to I don't want to revisit big fight I

666
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Speaker 4: had last year and I dismissed the judge as a communist.

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Speaker 3: I've moved on from that.

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Speaker 4: But I saw that a judge has needed to allocate

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Speaker 4: customary title. I think that Court of Appeal decision that

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Speaker 4: liberalized the interpretation and simplified the process for hapo's to

671
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Speaker 4: get their rights recognized in the Seabedd and Foreshaw environment.

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Speaker 4: It's being largely corrected by the Supreme Court passing and

673
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Speaker 4: issuing a judgment late last year. But at a deeper level,

674
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Speaker 4: the more uncertainty that one introduces, then the more barriers

675
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Speaker 4: you're putting in the way of those who want to

676
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Speaker 4: invest or those who want to turn those spaces into enterprise,

677
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Speaker 4: whether it's expanding ports, whether it's creating other enterprises, and

678
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Speaker 4: we just can't afford it. Look, look, look, we've created

679
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Speaker 4: a situation in New Zealand where we've got a regulatory

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Speaker 4: edifice that is unaffordable for a tiny population of five

681
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Speaker 4: million people an economy of four hundred billion GDP. We

682
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Speaker 4: just cannot afford to bear the dead weight burden of.

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Speaker 3: All of these regulations.

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Speaker 4: And obviously David Seymour's endeavoring to strip them everywhere I

685
00:47:39,733 --> 00:47:44,053
Speaker 4: find them in my area, they are being eviscerated. I

686
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Speaker 4: told you what I don't know marine farming. I'm about

687
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Speaker 4: to do a similar thing with fishing. We're going to

688
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Speaker 4: do a similar thing with mining. But as I said,

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Speaker 4: these are relatively smallest areas in our economy, but in

690
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Speaker 4: some regions they're incredibly important because they're large scale employers

691
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Speaker 4: and they generate doe for us and for the listeners

692
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Speaker 4: who understand economics, said no, that exports beings, fresh money

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Speaker 4: from an alternative, from an external source absolutely what the

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Speaker 4: country needs.

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Speaker 2: There are two areas that that are of a considerable concern.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me deal with electricity first, the power

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Speaker 2: supply and the government. The government launched a review to

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Speaker 2: ensure electricity market is fit for purpose. The one person

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Speaker 2: that I that I rely on for solid, sound, sensible,

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Speaker 2: accurate information it says. It says we are on the

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Speaker 2: verge of total total collapse. Mm hmm, well you've I

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Speaker 2: might have exaggerated that, but only very slightly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now you've followed what I said I once den

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Speaker 4: I in New Zealand. First, we've long concluded that the

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Speaker 4: current structure that represents electricity industries no longer fit for purpose.

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Speaker 4: It was, it was introduced and it's calcified since the

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Speaker 4: mid to late nineties. Sadly, we only got six percent

708
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Speaker 4: six percent of the vote last time around, so we're

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Speaker 4: unable to bring our.

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Speaker 3: Reform agenda, which was substantial.

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Speaker 4: And where I'm the Associate Minister of Energy and there's

712
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Speaker 4: a new guy, Minister Watts. I'm hoping he brings substantial

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Speaker 4: wattage rhythm and the options that may be contained in

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Speaker 4: the reports by the Commerce Commission and the Electricity Authority,

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Speaker 4: that we make a move on them, because it's going

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Speaker 4: to have a deathly.

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Speaker 3: Impact on our economy.

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Speaker 4: If our economy, if our if security continues to diminish,

719
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Speaker 4: but affordability.

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Speaker 3: Continues to spin out of control.

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Speaker 4: And I put productivity problems in New Zealand at the

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Speaker 4: feet of energy before I put it anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: I've not heard anybody say that before. They may have,

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Speaker 2: but I haven't heard it. And it's sound and principled

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Speaker 2: and correct. The new rules to be introduced that require

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Speaker 2: fuel companies to hold at least ten days of jet

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Speaker 2: fuel near the country's busiest airport to provide resilience against

728
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Speaker 2: supplied disruptions currently either being introduced or have been introduced.

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Speaker 2: You update me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, several years ago there was an incident south of

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Speaker 4: Fargada where a digger ruptured the pipeline coming out of

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Speaker 4: Marston Point.

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Speaker 3: That pipeline was eventually.

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Speaker 4: Repaired and a report was inevitably produced. Amongst other things,

736
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Speaker 4: it called for the fuel companies to store more fuel

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Speaker 4: for aviation purposes on site somewhere near the airport. Fast

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Speaker 4: forward five or six years jacket happened. So at the

739
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Speaker 4: end of last year told the fuel companies the game's up,

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Speaker 4: passing regulations. If you want to stay in New Zealand,

741
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Speaker 4: you have to do it, and surprise, surprise, they all

742
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Speaker 4: agreed to do it. The sad thing is that they've

743
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Speaker 4: been promising to do it for the last five or

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Speaker 4: six years, but for reasons I don't even go into

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Speaker 4: all this program, it never happened.

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Speaker 3: Is it a good thing to do?

747
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Speaker 4: Well, it's never a good thing to rely on regulation,

748
00:51:50,053 --> 00:51:55,133
Speaker 4: certainly when market participants keep promising to do it. But anyway,

749
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Speaker 4: that's why it's going to take places. We're going to

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Speaker 4: boost our resilience.

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Speaker 2: All right. Was the destruction of that pipeline and its

752
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Speaker 2: entirety warranted.

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Speaker 4: Well, the pipeline was ruptured somewhere near Marson Point.

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Speaker 3: It still exists. Now.

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Speaker 4: The difficulty is, in the event that we have a

756
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Speaker 4: similar outage, we need to have a backup source of fuel.

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Speaker 4: That's the guts of it. There will now be a

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Speaker 4: backup source of fuel. I'm not saying that the pipeline

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Speaker 4: will be molested again, but hey, one needs to have contingencies,

760
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Speaker 4: and that's basically what the outcome is.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, in conclusion, let's go back to where we started.

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Speaker 3: Sure, the.

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Speaker 2: New president who was the old president. It's waste of

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Speaker 2: time saying that. Now Trump yesterday late last night signed

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Speaker 2: an executive order with regard to the World Health Organization.

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Speaker 2: America is pulling out of it. It's also pulling out

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Speaker 2: of the Paris Accord as well, which was to be expected.

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Speaker 2: But the World Health Organization is the one that attracted

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Speaker 2: my attention most of all because I agree with Well.

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Speaker 2: I agree with his interpretation of things and his attitude

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Speaker 2: toward it. I don't know about you exactly, but I

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Speaker 2: would I would welcome a government that withdrew New Zealand

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Speaker 2: from the WY show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wrote an article before we came back into

776
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Speaker 4: politics pouring spawn upon that organization and basically saying that

777
00:53:45,293 --> 00:53:50,453
Speaker 4: it had failed New Zealand of course, but it's a

778
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Speaker 4: sort of place where you're likely to find Helen Clark

779
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Speaker 4: and her ilk so they don't like the way New

780
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Speaker 4: Zealand first thinks about these things. But look, we're definitely

781
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Speaker 4: doubting Thomas's about the usefulness and quite frankly, the fact

782
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Speaker 4: that the World Health Organization has proven to be an

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Speaker 4: institution that undermines the sovereignty of nations like New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: As the position of the party, but once again you

785
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Speaker 4: have a situation where New Zealand first, until we can

786
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Speaker 4: garner more electoral support at a future election. Our ability

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Speaker 4: to unilaterally force any governments that were a part of

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Speaker 4: to withdraw from international global organizations.

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Speaker 3: Heah, as should I say? As we can progress?

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Speaker 4: But any of your listeners, they simply have to google

791
00:54:43,653 --> 00:54:47,333
Speaker 4: our historic position and they'd see that we're very much

792
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Speaker 4: doubting Thomas's about that particular organization?

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Speaker 2: Was that article you wrote published and.

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Speaker 4: The New Zealand Herald. Yes, was published in the New

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Speaker 4: Zealand Herald. So when was that off? Say, let me

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Speaker 4: think twenty twenty three, maybe August, September, July, somewhere back there.

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Speaker 4: I've got a lot of I got an enormous amount

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Speaker 4: of feedback for it.

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Speaker 2: It's worth following up. Put it that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say so.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you were to draw up a list of

802
00:55:20,373 --> 00:55:24,253
Speaker 2: matters that we haven't touched on, I suspect it would

803
00:55:24,253 --> 00:55:27,773
Speaker 2: be fairly lengthy. And I know what's I know what's

804
00:55:27,813 --> 00:55:30,653
Speaker 2: going to happen, that there's going to be requests for more.

805
00:55:30,893 --> 00:55:33,773
Speaker 2: So can I get a commitment from you down the track?

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00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:35,373
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:55:35,653 --> 00:55:39,533
Speaker 4: No, I've always regarded a sort of peer in your pocket.

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Speaker 4: But I've always regarded Laton your style of journalism, but

809
00:55:43,733 --> 00:55:49,653
Speaker 4: also you're an interrogative style as being very rare and

810
00:55:50,613 --> 00:55:56,253
Speaker 4: extremely extremely valuable for those of us who occupy not

811
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Speaker 4: only positions of public importance, but I also enjoy listening

812
00:56:01,373 --> 00:56:04,693
Speaker 4: to public public discourse. You have a great role to

813
00:56:04,693 --> 00:56:07,573
Speaker 4: play and I'm and I'm up for talking to you again, mate,

814
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Speaker 4: I mean obvious white HONGI.

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Speaker 3: This year.

816
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Speaker 4: We will will be served up some polarities. David will

817
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Speaker 4: come defending the work that he's doing in relation to

818
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Speaker 4: the Treaty Principal's Bill. The Maori Party will turn up

819
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Speaker 4: with a various set of verbal diarrhea flows, which will

820
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:35,413
Speaker 4: be a type of recruitment device and further evidence of

821
00:56:35,453 --> 00:56:37,213
Speaker 4: trying to radicalize a new generation.

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Speaker 3: But the vast majority of.

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Speaker 4: Us, Mate, will be in the middle, wanting to focus

824
00:56:43,613 --> 00:56:47,693
Speaker 4: on the economy and focus on the issues that draw

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00:56:47,853 --> 00:56:52,653
Speaker 4: people together, because we know that Boss, our constitution and

826
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Speaker 4: the Treaty and entitlements are very important and citizenship must

827
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Speaker 4: be always defended. Unless we can continue to grow the economy,

828
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Speaker 4: we're not going to have the surplus to maintain the

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Speaker 4: quality of life that we've taken for Grunted.

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Speaker 2: Very well, stated, I suspect no, I don't. I would

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Speaker 2: like to think that what we've witnessed so far in Washington,

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Speaker 2: in the last in the last couple of days, and

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00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:27,853
Speaker 2: even back to back to the election, would have an

834
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Speaker 2: influence on some leadership in not just New Zealand, but

835
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Speaker 2: in Australia specifically outside of outside of our borders, because

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00:57:38,613 --> 00:57:42,173
Speaker 2: there is inspiration needed and there are some people who

837
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Speaker 2: need a good kick in the backside. I appreciate your commentry.

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00:57:48,613 --> 00:57:53,133
Speaker 2: I don't adjust to flattery well, but I will suggest

839
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Speaker 2: that my wife will accept it with gratitude.

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Speaker 3: Ah go make you take care.

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Speaker 5: Bye, Thank you Shane, by bye.

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00:58:16,653 --> 00:58:21,493
Speaker 2: Missus producer, Welcome Back Later, Podcast number two hundred and seventy.

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00:58:21,613 --> 00:58:25,653
Speaker 2: You've had about sixteen weeks up only twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Did you have fun? Why do you look?

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Speaker 6: I think we had great a tremendous amount.

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00:58:30,093 --> 00:58:32,133
Speaker 2: I don't know about we. Did you have fun?

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00:58:32,733 --> 00:58:35,573
Speaker 6: Great fun? Every day is a good day. And we

848
00:58:35,613 --> 00:58:38,693
Speaker 6: had a wonderful Christmas and New Year, spent it with

849
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:42,493
Speaker 6: wonderful friends. Christmas and then you are their close friends.

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Speaker 2: This was in This was in Sydney, and we sort

851
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Speaker 2: of overdid things of it On the occasion.

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Speaker 6: Speak for yourself, buddy.

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00:58:50,333 --> 00:58:51,533
Speaker 2: That was coming home too early.

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Speaker 6: We had a great time, and I hope everybody else

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Speaker 6: did too, because it's been a lovely summer.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So Podcast two hundred and seventy, let's see what we've got.

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Speaker 6: Laighton Gin says in twenty twenty four, we learned three

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00:59:06,053 --> 00:59:10,373
Speaker 6: important lessons from history. First, miracles do happen. Despite the

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00:59:10,413 --> 00:59:14,293
Speaker 6: constant defamation from mainstream media, the weaponization of law by

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Speaker 6: the Democrats, and the second assassination attempt on his life.

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00:59:18,053 --> 00:59:20,733
Speaker 6: Donald Trump's return as the forty seventh president of the

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Speaker 6: US is nothing short of a miracle. Secondly, one person

864
00:59:24,773 --> 00:59:28,413
Speaker 6: can make a difference. You mentioned Robbie Starbuck, a Hollywood

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Speaker 6: music video director who turned into a one manned army

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Speaker 6: against DEI. He and his team manage to pressure Walmart Harley,

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Speaker 6: Davison Ford, and many others to abandon their DEI policies.

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Speaker 6: And Thirdly, boundaries are compulsory for human flourishing. We have

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Speaker 6: to protect children from being castrated by trans ideology, protect

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Speaker 6: the country's borders from unwanted immigrants, and protect free speech

871
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Speaker 6: from being stifled. In twenty five, I look forward to

872
00:59:58,573 --> 01:00:03,773
Speaker 6: three things firstly that Justin Trudeau will be deposed in Canada.

873
01:00:03,973 --> 01:00:07,693
Speaker 6: Secondly that more woke companies go broke, starting with Jaguar,

874
01:00:07,773 --> 01:00:10,693
Speaker 6: and third lee that I get to listen to Leyton

875
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Speaker 6: Smith's podcast three hundred. I know it's been said many

876
01:00:14,893 --> 01:00:17,213
Speaker 6: times by others, but it's worth repeating. Thank you for

877
01:00:17,253 --> 01:00:19,893
Speaker 6: doing God's work and speaking truth to power in your

878
01:00:19,933 --> 01:00:24,293
Speaker 6: podcasts later you make every Wednesday a real joy. Can't

879
01:00:24,293 --> 01:00:25,213
Speaker 6: wait for this year.

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Speaker 2: And here we are in this year of twenty twenty five,

881
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Speaker 2: and it's only the beginning. I listened intently to your

882
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Speaker 2: replay podcast. Now before I go on, I've got a

883
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Speaker 2: number of letters on this particular podcast that was replayed.

884
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to read them all because you can

885
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Speaker 2: share them or share them response, but it was very interesting.

886
01:00:48,213 --> 01:00:51,213
Speaker 2: I listened intently to your replay podcast The best of

887
01:00:51,933 --> 01:00:57,813
Speaker 2: Professor Paul Merrick on January fifteenth, following Your Query, he

888
01:00:58,093 --> 01:01:02,453
Speaker 2: mentioned that prior to the pandemic, he was a regular

889
01:01:02,493 --> 01:01:06,013
Speaker 2: reader of publications such as Scientific American, The Lancet, and

890
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Speaker 2: other related publications, but has since realized that much of

891
01:01:12,013 --> 01:01:15,893
Speaker 2: the information appears to have a bias. Your query relating

892
01:01:15,933 --> 01:01:19,493
Speaker 2: to his views on Staatens is of concern to me because,

893
01:01:19,773 --> 01:01:23,373
Speaker 2: as my own doctor has suggested, I consider their use

894
01:01:23,973 --> 01:01:29,053
Speaker 2: due to my personal cholesterol levels and atrial fibrillation. Best

895
01:01:29,093 --> 01:01:33,293
Speaker 2: regards from Karl. The one thing I would say, and

896
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Speaker 2: this applies to everyone when it comes to statin's. I

897
01:01:35,973 --> 01:01:40,333
Speaker 2: know I've had my thing to say about them. I

898
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Speaker 2: would put it this way. As far as advice is concerned,

899
01:01:44,293 --> 01:01:47,733
Speaker 2: and I don't give advice, it's my personal thoughts. What

900
01:01:47,813 --> 01:01:50,693
Speaker 2: you need to do is, if you're concerned about staatens

901
01:01:51,253 --> 01:01:54,693
Speaker 2: is research them for all your worth, talk to as

902
01:01:54,733 --> 01:01:57,933
Speaker 2: many medical people as you get the chance to, and

903
01:01:58,573 --> 01:02:02,453
Speaker 2: make your own decision, because there are people around who

904
01:02:02,613 --> 01:02:05,613
Speaker 2: swear by them. Actually, I know somebody who's been on

905
01:02:05,613 --> 01:02:09,933
Speaker 2: one for twenty years and recons It's kept all Leydon.

906
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Speaker 6: Liz says, firstly, best wishes for a happy, successful and

907
01:02:13,373 --> 01:02:16,253
Speaker 6: healthy New Year. I emailed you last year when you

908
01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:20,413
Speaker 6: celebrated fifty years in broadcasting, saying that I hoped to

909
01:02:20,493 --> 01:02:23,733
Speaker 6: achieve the same thing in my own career. In April

910
01:02:23,813 --> 01:02:27,013
Speaker 6: this year, the gold card will arrive. And although that

911
01:02:27,133 --> 01:02:30,413
Speaker 6: through years of tax paying I have earned it, I'm

912
01:02:30,453 --> 01:02:33,213
Speaker 6: fortunate enough not to have to rely on it. At

913
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Speaker 6: the ripe old age of sixty four, I have been

914
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Speaker 6: promoted to head a fifty million New Zealand dollar business,

915
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Speaker 6: something I am so pleased to have achieved while I

916
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Speaker 6: still have health and mental capacity on my side. As

917
01:02:46,653 --> 01:02:49,533
Speaker 6: a very wise old and still working boss of mine

918
01:02:49,573 --> 01:02:52,213
Speaker 6: said when I told him, the news age is nothing

919
01:02:52,373 --> 01:02:56,333
Speaker 6: only a number. What is important is passion, energy and talent.

920
01:02:56,933 --> 01:02:59,493
Speaker 6: As I head into twenty twenty five in my new role,

921
01:02:59,573 --> 01:03:01,293
Speaker 6: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't just a

922
01:03:01,293 --> 01:03:05,013
Speaker 6: little nervous. However, his words and your example will stay

923
01:03:05,013 --> 01:03:07,253
Speaker 6: with me as I take on the challenge of driving

924
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Speaker 6: our business forward. Liz, from me somebody of a similar age,

925
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Speaker 6: I salute you. It's amazing.

926
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Speaker 2: I guess who got their goal card over Christmas? Now

927
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Speaker 2: from Steve, Welcome back, Laden and missus producer. I trust

928
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Speaker 2: that you had a great refreshing break and a recharge

929
01:03:23,173 --> 01:03:26,253
Speaker 2: to tackle the year ahead. I have no doubt that

930
01:03:26,373 --> 01:03:29,613
Speaker 2: this coalition will live or die by its performance in

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Speaker 2: this calendar year. The Maori nonsense of partnership and co

932
01:03:33,853 --> 01:03:35,813
Speaker 2: governance must be put to bed once and for all.

933
01:03:36,333 --> 01:03:39,413
Speaker 2: When mari Elites can finally be forced to accept and

934
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Speaker 2: understand the treaty was signed by hundreds of individual chiefs

935
01:03:43,413 --> 01:03:48,093
Speaker 2: and not a united nation deserving recognition as a unified

936
01:03:48,133 --> 01:03:52,653
Speaker 2: country pre European settlement. If they were unified, then why

937
01:03:52,773 --> 01:03:57,133
Speaker 2: is there not one settlement encompassing one nation. It has

938
01:03:57,253 --> 01:04:02,173
Speaker 2: become tiresome that we still have Marie government named entities.

939
01:04:02,533 --> 01:04:05,493
Speaker 2: This coalition needs to live up to its promises. The

940
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Speaker 2: year needs to put climate change to bed once and

941
01:04:08,773 --> 01:04:12,773
Speaker 2: for all. CO two is the source of oxygen through

942
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Speaker 2: photosynthesis and is zero point zero four of the gas.

943
01:04:18,733 --> 01:04:23,933
Speaker 2: So when will these thick, uneducated individuals start telling the truth.

944
01:04:24,453 --> 01:04:27,133
Speaker 2: I wish my wife and I were twenty years younger

945
01:04:27,173 --> 01:04:31,133
Speaker 2: so we could leave this joke of a country. I

946
01:04:31,173 --> 01:04:33,853
Speaker 2: wish you all the best and keep up the good fight.

947
01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:39,653
Speaker 2: Steve plenty of value in that letter, and you're going

948
01:04:39,693 --> 01:04:42,653
Speaker 2: to get plenty of what you want. Well it it

949
01:04:42,693 --> 01:04:46,333
Speaker 2: feels that I've said this elsewhere. It feels like the

950
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Speaker 2: I don't know that the douve has been lifted off

951
01:04:50,093 --> 01:04:53,133
Speaker 2: the bed in the height of summer and we are

952
01:04:53,333 --> 01:04:57,253
Speaker 2: free to say what we want to, and damn it

953
01:04:57,253 --> 01:04:57,653
Speaker 2: we will.

954
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Speaker 6: Leyden Brett says, isn't it interesting the world over that

955
01:05:02,453 --> 01:05:05,853
Speaker 6: the same basic manipulations of people goes on today as

956
01:05:05,853 --> 01:05:09,253
Speaker 6: it always has. Nothing new under the sun. These things

957
01:05:09,293 --> 01:05:12,333
Speaker 6: are extremely well known and well studied, yet we keep

958
01:05:12,373 --> 01:05:16,373
Speaker 6: falling prey to manipulation as if we are unaware entirely,

959
01:05:16,573 --> 01:05:19,573
Speaker 6: and humanity has learned nothing from its own history, which

960
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Speaker 6: we keep repeating. It's like humanity can't or won't break

961
01:05:23,893 --> 01:05:27,773
Speaker 6: free of our primitive hard wiring and bad habits, even

962
01:05:27,813 --> 01:05:30,293
Speaker 6: though we have the potential within us to do so.

963
01:05:31,293 --> 01:05:34,493
Speaker 6: In New Zealand, we suffer from long term poor governance,

964
01:05:34,573 --> 01:05:36,653
Speaker 6: yet can't seem to find our way out of the

965
01:05:36,733 --> 01:05:39,853
Speaker 6: cycled trap. The blind leading the blind, as it were,

966
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Speaker 6: What will it take to shift us out of our

967
01:05:43,013 --> 01:05:47,493
Speaker 6: malaise and find a path firmly anchored in integrity, wisdom

968
01:05:47,613 --> 01:05:51,373
Speaker 6: and highest good? Are we even brave enough to undertake

969
01:05:51,453 --> 01:05:54,173
Speaker 6: such a journey? That's from Brett.

970
01:05:54,453 --> 01:06:00,493
Speaker 2: Brett very well said what do we need? Not do

971
01:06:00,573 --> 01:06:03,013
Speaker 2: we need? Isn't hasn't it? I mean this is being

972
01:06:03,053 --> 01:06:06,453
Speaker 2: said all along, but seeing that we've been away and

973
01:06:06,693 --> 01:06:10,013
Speaker 2: not had a chance to broadcast, I will just keep

974
01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:11,413
Speaker 2: saying it in various ways.

975
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Speaker 6: We need clever people from overseas who want to come

976
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Speaker 6: and live here.

977
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Speaker 2: We need to add to thee and people with money,

978
01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:23,013
Speaker 2: and people with money who wish to dispense with it appropriately.

979
01:06:23,133 --> 01:06:24,973
Speaker 6: Business acumen is what we need.

980
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Speaker 2: We need fewer people with no brains.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well that's short and sharp.

982
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Latent for replaying your interview with

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Speaker 2: Paul Merrick. I was fortunate enough to listen to your

984
01:06:37,053 --> 01:06:39,533
Speaker 2: first interview with him when his book Cancer Care was

985
01:06:39,613 --> 01:06:43,413
Speaker 2: banned from Amazon. Listening to your introduction to this replay

986
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:46,493
Speaker 2: was very welcoming, with you stating the book is now

987
01:06:46,533 --> 01:06:52,893
Speaker 2: available on Amazon again, the second edition which I received today. Nathan,

988
01:06:53,573 --> 01:06:55,653
Speaker 2: I hope that you get out of it, or you've

989
01:06:55,653 --> 01:06:57,813
Speaker 2: got out of it what you're looking for. Let me know.

990
01:06:58,573 --> 01:07:01,373
Speaker 6: Layton David says, maybe the answer to the woes of

991
01:07:01,533 --> 01:07:04,733
Speaker 6: education are summed up in this quote from Winston Churchill.

992
01:07:05,533 --> 01:07:08,733
Speaker 6: Schools have not necessarily much to do with education. They

993
01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:13,253
Speaker 6: are mainly institutions of control where certain basic habits must

994
01:07:13,293 --> 01:07:17,653
Speaker 6: be inculcated in the young. Education is quite different and

995
01:07:17,773 --> 01:07:21,693
Speaker 6: has little place in school, and one might say that

996
01:07:21,813 --> 01:07:25,733
Speaker 6: until the end University, says Dave. The children are pupils

997
01:07:25,853 --> 01:07:29,533
Speaker 6: and on entry to higher education, the term student may

998
01:07:29,573 --> 01:07:32,333
Speaker 6: become applicable depending on results.

999
01:07:34,133 --> 01:07:38,813
Speaker 2: So I listened to your podcast with Michael Johnson of

1000
01:07:38,853 --> 01:07:41,813
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Initiative. I ah, this is a very

1001
01:07:41,853 --> 01:07:46,573
Speaker 2: good email listener from Rob. I listened to your podcast

1002
01:07:46,573 --> 01:07:50,693
Speaker 2: with Michael Johnson of the New Zealand Initiative. I recently

1003
01:07:50,773 --> 01:07:55,213
Speaker 2: retired as a UK trained educational psychologist who worked in

1004
01:07:55,253 --> 01:07:59,213
Speaker 2: New Zealand for fifteen years and can inform you as

1005
01:07:59,253 --> 01:08:02,653
Speaker 2: to the reasons for the many failures within the educational

1006
01:08:02,693 --> 01:08:05,973
Speaker 2: system here. There is a lack of standards and a

1007
01:08:06,013 --> 01:08:11,733
Speaker 2: consistency so that school and classrooms range from excellent to appalling.

1008
01:08:12,533 --> 01:08:14,813
Speaker 2: This was described in a Radio a New Zealand article

1009
01:08:14,853 --> 01:08:18,653
Speaker 2: and podcast which I contributed to in twenty nineteen. If

1010
01:08:18,693 --> 01:08:22,013
Speaker 2: your ideological views are a barrier to such a national

1011
01:08:22,093 --> 01:08:27,293
Speaker 2: mandate over regulation, I would point out that the Leaky

1012
01:08:27,413 --> 01:08:32,693
Speaker 2: Homes FIESCO was quickly resolved with a building code of practice,

1013
01:08:33,533 --> 01:08:36,373
Speaker 2: short to the point and said with some.

1014
01:08:37,733 --> 01:08:42,053
Speaker 6: Experience Latin Chris says, welcome back to a world that

1015
01:08:42,133 --> 01:08:45,573
Speaker 6: seems saner now that President Donald Trump has brought common

1016
01:08:45,613 --> 01:08:48,813
Speaker 6: sense to the Oval Office. The attached article and he

1017
01:08:49,213 --> 01:08:52,613
Speaker 6: attaches something to you from the spectator Laton from the

1018
01:08:52,653 --> 01:08:57,933
Speaker 6: thirteenth of July. It's oddly prophetic, he says, as to

1019
01:08:58,053 --> 01:09:01,933
Speaker 6: the lead policies of Donald Trump. The article describes a

1020
01:09:01,973 --> 01:09:05,373
Speaker 6: coming populist revolution, which I think started at the fifth

1021
01:09:05,373 --> 01:09:09,293
Speaker 6: of November election in the States. Perhaps news A politicians

1022
01:09:09,333 --> 01:09:12,173
Speaker 6: would do well to understand what their people really want,

1023
01:09:12,373 --> 01:09:16,133
Speaker 6: lest they fulfill Jordan Peterson's prediction of a silk war

1024
01:09:16,733 --> 01:09:19,653
Speaker 6: sparked by people feeling hated on because they have the

1025
01:09:19,693 --> 01:09:22,893
Speaker 6: wrong color of skin. That's from Chris and he says

1026
01:09:23,213 --> 01:09:25,893
Speaker 6: success is when you look back and the memories make

1027
01:09:25,973 --> 01:09:26,613
Speaker 6: you smile.

1028
01:09:27,533 --> 01:09:31,733
Speaker 2: Just re listening to some old podcasts podcast two sixty

1029
01:09:31,773 --> 01:09:35,373
Speaker 2: one with Anthony Willie. In this one you mentioned some

1030
01:09:35,533 --> 01:09:39,453
Speaker 2: new climate change research that had just been released. Just

1031
01:09:39,493 --> 01:09:42,613
Speaker 2: wondering if you could please direct me to it. Listen

1032
01:09:42,653 --> 01:09:45,453
Speaker 2: intently to your podcast and re listen to a few,

1033
01:09:45,933 --> 01:09:49,253
Speaker 2: especially now as there is a gap in new releases.

1034
01:09:49,613 --> 01:09:52,293
Speaker 2: Keep up the great work. Don't know what we would

1035
01:09:52,293 --> 01:09:56,493
Speaker 2: do without your diligent work. Regards to missus producer. Also

1036
01:09:56,973 --> 01:10:01,773
Speaker 2: she is a delight to listen to. Peter Peter Peter,

1037
01:10:02,933 --> 01:10:04,893
Speaker 2: thank you, Anita. I don't know that I've heard from

1038
01:10:04,933 --> 01:10:07,053
Speaker 2: Peter before, but I could have. It's been quite a

1039
01:10:07,053 --> 01:10:11,613
Speaker 2: few Peter, appreciate all of that. With regard to that

1040
01:10:12,973 --> 01:10:17,533
Speaker 2: podcast two sixty one, I honestly cannot remember what it was,

1041
01:10:18,773 --> 01:10:21,653
Speaker 2: but if I get a chance, I will re listen

1042
01:10:21,653 --> 01:10:24,213
Speaker 2: to podcasts two six to one and see if that

1043
01:10:24,573 --> 01:10:26,693
Speaker 2: can direct me. But I'm going to have to find

1044
01:10:26,693 --> 01:10:29,533
Speaker 2: some spare time somewhere. I don't know quite how I'm

1045
01:10:29,533 --> 01:10:30,093
Speaker 2: going to do it.

1046
01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:33,693
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to Leyden having his next holiday because

1047
01:10:33,733 --> 01:10:37,773
Speaker 6: now that he's back, he is in the studio twenty

1048
01:10:37,813 --> 01:10:43,413
Speaker 6: three hours a day. Yes, and you enjoy it so much, Layton,

1049
01:10:43,453 --> 01:10:43,773
Speaker 6: don't you?

1050
01:10:43,893 --> 01:10:46,973
Speaker 2: Twenty two hours a day. I enjoy it. The other

1051
01:10:47,053 --> 01:10:50,053
Speaker 2: hour is a reserve for frustration, Leighton.

1052
01:10:50,133 --> 01:10:53,613
Speaker 6: The last one from me is from Paul. As a

1053
01:10:53,733 --> 01:10:56,133
Speaker 6: chef by trade, albeit one who has been in and

1054
01:10:56,173 --> 01:10:59,653
Speaker 6: out of the hospitality sector for over thirty years. It

1055
01:10:59,733 --> 01:11:03,053
Speaker 6: was comforting to reflect whilst listening to the conversation with

1056
01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:06,373
Speaker 6: the great Tony Estell. I have worked as a chefferd

1057
01:11:06,373 --> 01:11:09,773
Speaker 6: and around Auckland for years. To Tony Astell reflect on

1058
01:11:09,813 --> 01:11:12,573
Speaker 6: his time as the chef at Antoine's brought forth a

1059
01:11:12,613 --> 01:11:15,933
Speaker 6: flood of memories In the restaurants where I worked. The

1060
01:11:15,973 --> 01:11:19,573
Speaker 6: conversation occasionally broached the subjects of the best restaurant and

1061
01:11:19,653 --> 01:11:23,653
Speaker 6: chef in Auckland. On many occasions, the answers were unanimous.

1062
01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:28,013
Speaker 6: Tony Astell and Antoine's. Your conversation with Tony was a

1063
01:11:28,133 --> 01:11:31,213
Speaker 6: nice change from some of the more serious topical discussions

1064
01:11:31,253 --> 01:11:35,133
Speaker 6: over the last year. All those discussions were of massive importance,

1065
01:11:35,173 --> 01:11:38,333
Speaker 6: but chatting with your friend Tony Astell was a great

1066
01:11:38,373 --> 01:11:41,693
Speaker 6: way to end this year's series of podcasts. And then

1067
01:11:41,733 --> 01:11:45,573
Speaker 6: Paul says, I look forward to next year's run of podcasts.

1068
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Speaker 2: And again here we are, and wasn't.

1069
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Speaker 6: Tony listening to Tony fantastic?

1070
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Speaker 2: Tony was the first person in the worl. We've made

1071
01:11:51,293 --> 01:11:53,373
Speaker 2: a meal of this at the time as our pardon

1072
01:11:53,453 --> 01:11:56,133
Speaker 2: the pun. Tony was the first person to do it

1073
01:11:57,333 --> 01:12:01,733
Speaker 2: from the studio here. Now that's at least one more.

1074
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Speaker 6: We walked past Antoine's what was Antoins the other day,

1075
01:12:05,493 --> 01:12:08,773
Speaker 6: didn't we? And I hope it's a very six tessful

1076
01:12:08,773 --> 01:12:11,893
Speaker 6: business because somebody else is in there. But it was

1077
01:12:11,893 --> 01:12:14,293
Speaker 6: so sad to see that it was.

1078
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Speaker 2: It's not a restaurant he bought, It's a tailor shop.

1079
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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. It's a shame anyway, Tony's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Finally, this was sent to me by someone. Well, I'll

1081
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Speaker 2: read I'll read it. I sent an email long ago

1082
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Speaker 2: but never received acknowledgment. So this time I found a

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01:12:33,693 --> 01:12:37,133
Speaker 2: definitive way great living in a country was no parliament

1084
01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:41,213
Speaker 2: in operation. Trudeau truly, yes, he's writing from Canada. Trudeau

1085
01:12:41,373 --> 01:12:45,773
Speaker 2: truly has screwed Canadians into the ground. Over nine years,

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01:12:45,813 --> 01:12:50,253
Speaker 2: He's rejected over half a trillion dollars of investment, purely

1087
01:12:50,293 --> 01:12:54,213
Speaker 2: because he's been captured by his Prime Minister's Office advisor,

1088
01:12:54,333 --> 01:12:58,613
Speaker 2: mister Butts, who has to be a communist. Tragic is

1089
01:12:58,653 --> 01:13:03,213
Speaker 2: how tragic is how I describe Canada today? Three point

1090
01:13:03,453 --> 01:13:08,573
Speaker 2: listen to this. Three point seven five million visits in

1091
01:13:08,653 --> 01:13:15,293
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to just one Ontario food bank alone.

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01:13:15,333 --> 01:13:19,013
Speaker 2: Hundreds lined streets in a line in the snow just

1093
01:13:19,053 --> 01:13:21,853
Speaker 2: to hopefully sign up for a doctor who offered five

1094
01:13:21,933 --> 01:13:24,973
Speaker 2: hundred new patients for the opportunity. One man in the

1095
01:13:24,973 --> 01:13:27,413
Speaker 2: line hadn't been able to get on a doctor's patient

1096
01:13:27,453 --> 01:13:31,533
Speaker 2: list for ten years. These people have no doctor, So

1097
01:13:31,573 --> 01:13:35,133
Speaker 2: you get the picture. Trump tariff threat goes down this

1098
01:13:35,333 --> 01:13:39,973
Speaker 2: Saturday for every one. Canadian government has done nothing to

1099
01:13:40,013 --> 01:13:44,893
Speaker 2: stop precursors for fentanyl manufacturing coming through Vancouver Port and

1100
01:13:45,053 --> 01:13:52,133
Speaker 2: subsequently used by Mexican cartels in BC Canada to manufacture

1101
01:13:52,173 --> 01:13:56,853
Speaker 2: fentanyl then shipped to the US and everywhere else there

1102
01:13:56,853 --> 01:13:59,613
Speaker 2: that you're still above ground. Apparently our souls live on,

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01:13:59,813 --> 01:14:02,533
Speaker 2: so I may bump into you in the afterlife. God

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01:14:02,573 --> 01:14:05,813
Speaker 2: bless you, you old bugger. I hope this gets to you.

1105
01:14:08,573 --> 01:14:13,173
Speaker 2: The plumber Bill wrote to me quite a while back.

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01:14:13,213 --> 01:14:16,053
Speaker 2: He did, and I'm positive that I responded to him,

1107
01:14:16,653 --> 01:14:19,013
Speaker 2: but it was a goodbye letter, so you'll never hear

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01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:21,893
Speaker 2: from me again. Well, here you are, and I think

1109
01:14:21,933 --> 01:14:23,893
Speaker 2: you're realizing that I might have had a point or

1110
01:14:23,893 --> 01:14:27,973
Speaker 2: three when you decided to go. And it's sad, but

1111
01:14:28,093 --> 01:14:29,973
Speaker 2: I miss you. I have to say that there's a

1112
01:14:30,093 --> 01:14:31,693
Speaker 2: lot of people I miss, but I do miss you,

1113
01:14:31,733 --> 01:14:33,373
Speaker 2: and I do think about you more more than you

1114
01:14:33,373 --> 01:14:39,573
Speaker 2: think of me. So there this is produced. On that note,

1115
01:14:39,813 --> 01:14:40,933
Speaker 2: we shall see you next week.

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01:14:41,053 --> 01:14:43,453
Speaker 6: By the way, I've just googled Liz who wrote the letter.

1117
01:14:43,533 --> 01:14:45,093
Speaker 6: She's just starting the new business.

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01:14:45,133 --> 01:14:45,373
Speaker 3: Liz.

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01:14:45,413 --> 01:14:49,533
Speaker 6: I want to know what you're doing now, and you

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01:14:49,573 --> 01:14:52,213
Speaker 6: look amazing. You do not look anything like sixty four.

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01:14:52,413 --> 01:14:53,053
Speaker 6: I'm off now.

1122
01:14:53,413 --> 01:14:55,133
Speaker 2: It's just a beauty consultant with you know.

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01:14:55,213 --> 01:14:58,093
Speaker 6: We people have to we sixty four year olds have

1124
01:14:58,133 --> 01:14:58,813
Speaker 6: to stick together.

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01:14:59,893 --> 01:15:03,013
Speaker 2: You look younger by the day. Anyway, we shall see

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01:15:03,013 --> 01:15:03,813
Speaker 2: you next week, shall we?

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01:15:03,933 --> 01:15:04,133
Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:15:04,213 --> 01:15:05,093
Speaker 2: Is that all right?

1129
01:15:05,253 --> 01:15:05,733
Speaker 6: It's the date?

1130
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:09,173
Speaker 2: Okay, Maybe we'll put it together better next week. It's

1131
01:15:09,173 --> 01:15:29,613
Speaker 2: probably not. It's been so exciting getting back. So let

1132
01:15:29,653 --> 01:15:32,533
Speaker 2: me pick up on some issues that are very important

1133
01:15:32,853 --> 01:15:36,733
Speaker 2: and need much more attention, and I'll do it this way.

1134
01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:39,453
Speaker 2: I was at dinner recently, and also at the dinner

1135
01:15:39,693 --> 01:15:42,493
Speaker 2: was and I was sitting next to me actually was

1136
01:15:42,533 --> 01:15:47,693
Speaker 2: a twenty three year old from overseas, and the subject

1137
01:15:47,693 --> 01:15:51,133
Speaker 2: came up about what bothers young people these days, and

1138
01:15:51,253 --> 01:15:54,453
Speaker 2: the one thing he said, nothing bothers me, really, except

1139
01:15:54,973 --> 01:15:57,613
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about climate change. And he wasn't addressing me

1140
01:15:57,653 --> 01:16:01,213
Speaker 2: at that time, but I said to him when he paused,

1141
01:16:01,253 --> 01:16:04,773
Speaker 2: I said, where did you get this information about climate

1142
01:16:04,853 --> 01:16:07,773
Speaker 2: change that's got you so upset? He didn't seem that upset,

1143
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:09,533
Speaker 2: to be honest, but he said that that was his

1144
01:16:09,613 --> 01:16:14,213
Speaker 2: greatest concern, and he said, well, from school. And I

1145
01:16:14,253 --> 01:16:17,773
Speaker 2: asked him what they were taught, and basically he outlined

1146
01:16:17,973 --> 01:16:20,733
Speaker 2: what we all know. So I told him he had

1147
01:16:20,733 --> 01:16:24,933
Speaker 2: been misled badly, and he said, well, where am I

1148
01:16:24,973 --> 01:16:28,053
Speaker 2: going to find the information that will back up what

1149
01:16:28,093 --> 01:16:30,373
Speaker 2: you're saying? So I thought about it for a couple

1150
01:16:30,453 --> 01:16:34,813
Speaker 2: of minutes, and I suggested to him that he listened

1151
01:16:34,813 --> 01:16:38,133
Speaker 2: to the two podcasts that we did in the early

1152
01:16:38,253 --> 01:16:42,093
Speaker 2: days with doctor Tim Ball, because both of them were

1153
01:16:42,173 --> 01:16:46,653
Speaker 2: very good, and I know that he has now would

1154
01:16:46,733 --> 01:16:50,053
Speaker 2: have listened to them because he was very keen. He said,

1155
01:16:50,333 --> 01:16:52,133
Speaker 2: and if you got any books, I'll get them and

1156
01:16:52,173 --> 01:16:56,293
Speaker 2: I'll read them. So I recommended Tim Ball's book. I

1157
01:16:56,493 --> 01:16:58,773
Speaker 2: went through my list of books at home, my pilot

1158
01:16:58,773 --> 01:17:01,253
Speaker 2: books on this particular subject. I thought, no, Tim Ball's

1159
01:17:01,293 --> 01:17:04,973
Speaker 2: actually very good. Well he was, because he's now deceased, sadly,

1160
01:17:05,293 --> 01:17:08,333
Speaker 2: and I want to quote you from the Deliberate career

1161
01:17:08,373 --> 01:17:11,973
Speaker 2: eruption of climate science by Tim Ball, and I could

1162
01:17:12,013 --> 01:17:16,053
Speaker 2: read your half the book, but I won't. There have, been,

1163
01:17:16,093 --> 01:17:19,213
Speaker 2: of course, other sad deceptions throughout history, but all of

1164
01:17:19,253 --> 01:17:22,813
Speaker 2: them were regional or at most continental. The deceptive idea

1165
01:17:22,893 --> 01:17:26,853
Speaker 2: of human generated CO two causes global warming or climate

1166
01:17:26,933 --> 01:17:32,053
Speaker 2: change impacted every person in the entire world. Thus it

1167
01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:37,453
Speaker 2: reflects Marshall mcclewan's concept of the global village. This book

1168
01:17:37,933 --> 01:17:41,173
Speaker 2: shows how the deception was designed to be global by

1169
01:17:41,213 --> 01:17:45,813
Speaker 2: involving every nation through the agencies of the United Nations. Historians,

1170
01:17:45,813 --> 01:17:48,973
Speaker 2: with the benefit of twenty twenty hindsight, will wonder how

1171
01:17:49,053 --> 01:17:51,773
Speaker 2: such a small group was able to achieve such a

1172
01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:56,493
Speaker 2: massive deception. There are several reasons why the public was deceived,

1173
01:17:57,333 --> 01:18:00,453
Speaker 2: and there's nine of them. They're all short. The objective

1174
01:18:00,573 --> 01:18:04,893
Speaker 2: and therefore the science were premeditated. The scientific focus was

1175
01:18:04,933 --> 01:18:09,453
Speaker 2: deliberately narrowed to CO two from the start. Accountable government

1176
01:18:09,533 --> 01:18:14,493
Speaker 2: agencies were involved and in control science and political structures

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01:18:14,493 --> 01:18:18,133
Speaker 2: and procedures were put in place to enhance the deception.

1178
01:18:19,413 --> 01:18:23,133
Speaker 2: Actions were taken to block or divert challenges. The people's

1179
01:18:23,453 --> 01:18:28,613
Speaker 2: natural fears about change and catastrophe were exploited. You think

1180
01:18:29,853 --> 01:18:33,053
Speaker 2: the public's lack of scientific understanding, especially with regard to

1181
01:18:33,053 --> 01:18:38,813
Speaker 2: climate science, was exploited. You think times two. People find

1182
01:18:38,853 --> 01:18:41,533
Speaker 2: it hard to believe a deception on such a grand

1183
01:18:41,533 --> 01:18:44,813
Speaker 2: scale could occur. That's a very important one. People find

1184
01:18:44,853 --> 01:18:47,533
Speaker 2: it hard to believe a deception on such a grand

1185
01:18:47,533 --> 01:18:53,373
Speaker 2: scale could occur, and finally number nine opponents were ruthlessly attacked,

1186
01:18:53,773 --> 01:18:57,733
Speaker 2: causing others to remain silent. Then I turned the page

1187
01:18:58,253 --> 01:19:03,093
Speaker 2: and is using examples, considered this brave but late admission

1188
01:19:03,213 --> 01:19:09,733
Speaker 2: by German physicist and meteorologist Klaus Echard plus plus plus

1189
01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:14,573
Speaker 2: And here is what Klaus Eckhart plus wrote ten years ago.

1190
01:19:14,613 --> 01:19:18,293
Speaker 2: I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day

1191
01:19:18,373 --> 01:19:21,533
Speaker 2: I started checking the facts and data. First, I started

1192
01:19:21,613 --> 01:19:24,653
Speaker 2: with a sense of doubt, but then I became outraged

1193
01:19:24,973 --> 01:19:28,453
Speaker 2: when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and

1194
01:19:28,533 --> 01:19:34,213
Speaker 2: the media were telegus was sheer nonsense and was not

1195
01:19:34,293 --> 01:19:38,213
Speaker 2: even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day,

1196
01:19:38,493 --> 01:19:42,693
Speaker 2: I feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations

1197
01:19:42,733 --> 01:19:47,013
Speaker 2: of their science without first checking it scientifically. It is

1198
01:19:47,373 --> 01:19:51,253
Speaker 2: sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate

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Speaker 2: by turning a co to adjustment. Knob now Timbore comments,

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01:19:56,173 --> 01:19:59,413
Speaker 2: if someone so knowledgeable about the subjects of meteorology and

1201
01:19:59,453 --> 01:20:04,573
Speaker 2: atmospheric physics can be so readily deceived, it is not

1202
01:20:04,613 --> 01:20:08,973
Speaker 2: surprising that the general public was deceived to scores the

1203
01:20:08,973 --> 01:20:15,493
Speaker 2: effectiveness of the deliberate and carefully orchestrated climate science deception. However,

1204
01:20:15,573 --> 01:20:18,373
Speaker 2: it also underscores the problems of writing a book that

1205
01:20:18,493 --> 01:20:22,373
Speaker 2: identifies what they did and how it was done. Just

1206
01:20:22,413 --> 01:20:25,533
Speaker 2: a short take from the deliberate corruption of climate science,

1207
01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:29,253
Speaker 2: and you can still buy the book. Of course, Timball died.

1208
01:20:29,293 --> 01:20:34,093
Speaker 2: I think it was in twenty one, very sadly well,

1209
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:37,173
Speaker 2: not too long after we interviewed him with regard to

1210
01:20:37,373 --> 01:20:42,413
Speaker 2: his victory over Michael Mann. Now let's turn attention to

1211
01:20:42,693 --> 01:20:46,213
Speaker 2: something a little more local across the Tasman. Ala Moran

1212
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:52,133
Speaker 2: wrote in on January twenty nine, actually wrote in Spectator magazine,

1213
01:20:52,493 --> 01:20:56,373
Speaker 2: to rescue our economy, quote unquote, Trump signed Day one

1214
01:20:56,573 --> 01:21:00,373
Speaker 2: orders to end all Biden restrictions on energy production, terminate

1215
01:21:00,453 --> 01:21:05,853
Speaker 2: his insane electric vehicle mandate, cancel his natural gas export ban,

1216
01:21:06,173 --> 01:21:11,093
Speaker 2: reopen anwrn a lee Asca, the biggest site potentially anywhere

1217
01:21:11,093 --> 01:21:15,213
Speaker 2: in the world, and declare a national energy emergency. So

1218
01:21:15,253 --> 01:21:18,053
Speaker 2: he terminated Biden's Green New Deal, pulled out of the

1219
01:21:18,093 --> 01:21:22,373
Speaker 2: Paris Accord, and castigated the Davos elites who could do

1220
01:21:22,693 --> 01:21:26,533
Speaker 2: nothing more than acquiesce in his triumphant procession. Among the

1221
01:21:26,533 --> 01:21:29,493
Speaker 2: measures is a freeze on two hundred and eighty billion

1222
01:21:29,573 --> 01:21:35,373
Speaker 2: dollars for green energy said to have a very negative effect,

1223
01:21:35,933 --> 01:21:39,213
Speaker 2: and the Wall Street journalist declared climate change ideology is

1224
01:21:39,333 --> 01:21:43,293
Speaker 2: dying and the corporate world is reacting. Goes On gives

1225
01:21:43,293 --> 01:21:47,973
Speaker 2: some from examples, including in Australia. Now when we come

1226
01:21:48,013 --> 01:21:52,933
Speaker 2: to some New Zealand matters, and they're very recent, firstly

1227
01:21:53,173 --> 01:21:59,773
Speaker 2: by data publication on January twenty nine, headline Luxon's credibility

1228
01:21:59,773 --> 01:22:03,093
Speaker 2: on the line was tomorrow's climate target announcement. There we

1229
01:22:03,133 --> 01:22:07,813
Speaker 2: go to what followed. Simon Watts just harpooned the Prime

1230
01:22:07,853 --> 01:22:11,413
Speaker 2: Minister's Going for Growth plan was published on the twenty

1231
01:22:11,733 --> 01:22:16,173
Speaker 2: sorry published on the thirty first of January. Added is

1232
01:22:17,133 --> 01:22:21,333
Speaker 2: damning from the New Zealand Taxpayers Union. At eight pm

1233
01:22:21,413 --> 01:22:26,213
Speaker 2: last night, presumably to avoid pickup on the morning news shows,

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01:22:26,293 --> 01:22:29,853
Speaker 2: Climate Change Minister Simon Watts released New Zealand's twenty thirty

1235
01:22:29,893 --> 01:22:34,373
Speaker 2: five nationally determined contribution to combating climate change under the

1236
01:22:34,373 --> 01:22:39,773
Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. The target, which locks unavoidable agricultural omissions into

1237
01:22:39,813 --> 01:22:44,653
Speaker 2: New Zealand's international targets, are even more ambitious than the

1238
01:22:44,653 --> 01:22:49,213
Speaker 2: twenty thirty targets made when Jacinda Aderner James Shaw flew

1239
01:22:49,253 --> 01:22:54,933
Speaker 2: to Glasgow. They will cost future taxpayers literally tens of

1240
01:22:55,133 --> 01:23:00,973
Speaker 2: billions of dollars in penalties. The Taxpayers Union executive director

1241
01:23:01,053 --> 01:23:05,253
Speaker 2: Jordan Williams said Adern's fifty percent emissions reduction by twenty

1242
01:23:05,333 --> 01:23:09,293
Speaker 2: thirty target was ludicrous. Treasury estimates that in just five

1243
01:23:09,373 --> 01:23:12,173
Speaker 2: years taxpayers will be on the hook for up to

1244
01:23:12,653 --> 01:23:17,933
Speaker 2: twenty four billion, that is twelve thousand per New Zealand household.

1245
01:23:18,333 --> 01:23:20,493
Speaker 2: The government has now signed us up for another bill

1246
01:23:20,773 --> 01:23:24,613
Speaker 2: for five years later to not only lock this cost

1247
01:23:24,693 --> 01:23:27,973
Speaker 2: in but go even harder for twenty thirty five is

1248
01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:32,333
Speaker 2: economic sabotage. What city's cabinet colleagues are not going to

1249
01:23:32,373 --> 01:23:34,733
Speaker 2: be around in a decade to have to pay the bill,

1250
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:38,053
Speaker 2: but are doubling down on Paris at the very time,

1251
01:23:38,573 --> 01:23:42,773
Speaker 2: the very time our trading partners are pulling back. Robert McCulloch,

1252
01:23:42,773 --> 01:23:46,093
Speaker 2: by the way, professor of economics at Auckland's University, wrote

1253
01:23:46,133 --> 01:23:49,213
Speaker 2: a very good piece Christopher Luxon's Ministry of Economic Development

1254
01:23:49,373 --> 01:23:52,773
Speaker 2: may as well be a ministry of silly walks. I

1255
01:23:52,813 --> 01:23:58,373
Speaker 2: recommend its reading. There is one more from the Taxpayers' Union.

1256
01:23:58,573 --> 01:24:02,613
Speaker 2: The National Party was once seen as the Party for farmers,

1257
01:24:03,413 --> 01:24:06,213
Speaker 2: but it seems that's no longer the case. The Taxpayers

1258
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:11,173
Speaker 2: Union can confirm that CLI Change Minister Simon Watts refused

1259
01:24:11,413 --> 01:24:15,133
Speaker 2: multiple requests by New Zealand's largest farming group to meet

1260
01:24:15,333 --> 01:24:18,133
Speaker 2: ahead of his decision to ramp up the countries already

1261
01:24:18,493 --> 01:24:23,213
Speaker 2: twenty four billion dollar Paris Agreement contributions. Taxpayers Union spokesman

1262
01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:27,453
Speaker 2: James Ross said, what is Simon Watt's job because if

1263
01:24:27,613 --> 01:24:32,533
Speaker 2: it's taking a balanced approach to stakeholders, is not doing it. Quote.

1264
01:24:32,933 --> 01:24:37,373
Speaker 2: Publicly disclosed ministerial diaries show Minister Watts is happy to

1265
01:24:37,413 --> 01:24:41,813
Speaker 2: get cozy with anti agriculture activist groups like Greenpeace, the

1266
01:24:41,813 --> 01:24:46,613
Speaker 2: World Wildlife Fund and the Ayata Rower Circle, but his

1267
01:24:46,733 --> 01:24:50,493
Speaker 2: staff would not even reply to emails from Federated Farmers.

1268
01:24:51,133 --> 01:24:53,693
Speaker 2: Nor did Watts meet with Beef and Lamb or even

1269
01:24:53,733 --> 01:24:58,173
Speaker 2: a Chamber of Commerce in formulating his Paris target agriculture

1270
01:24:58,173 --> 01:25:01,933
Speaker 2: accounts for half hour missions. Forget just Mann policy. Not

1271
01:25:02,013 --> 01:25:05,573
Speaker 2: meeting with major stakeholders in the industry the minister has

1272
01:25:05,613 --> 01:25:10,733
Speaker 2: announced he plans to decimate is either extreme arrogance or

1273
01:25:10,853 --> 01:25:15,173
Speaker 2: severe incompetence. Well, how about a combination of both national

1274
01:25:15,253 --> 01:25:18,093
Speaker 2: MPs We're more than happy to join protest marches against

1275
01:25:18,173 --> 01:25:21,613
Speaker 2: James Shaw and Jacinda Adurn's climate policy. It's one thing

1276
01:25:21,693 --> 01:25:25,093
Speaker 2: to get into government and adopt the same policies, It's

1277
01:25:25,173 --> 01:25:28,773
Speaker 2: quite another to ghost the stakeholders who got you there.

1278
01:25:29,333 --> 01:25:32,373
Speaker 2: And finally, if you'll bear with me, because I think

1279
01:25:32,373 --> 01:25:38,093
Speaker 2: it's important. I received this from Ellen Mandeno or Mendano

1280
01:25:38,373 --> 01:25:42,693
Speaker 2: from the Methane Science Accord, who asks and says I

1281
01:25:42,693 --> 01:25:45,413
Speaker 2: would appreciate it if you could please share this press

1282
01:25:45,453 --> 01:25:48,493
Speaker 2: release from the Methane Science Accord regarding the recent emissions

1283
01:25:48,493 --> 01:25:51,533
Speaker 2: reduction targets. Thank you in kind regards. Now, I don't

1284
01:25:51,573 --> 01:25:55,693
Speaker 2: think I've ever spoken with Helen, or certainly never met her,

1285
01:25:56,173 --> 01:25:58,253
Speaker 2: but I looked at it, read it, and I thought

1286
01:25:58,453 --> 01:26:03,373
Speaker 2: this must be shared. New Zealand government nagh eve and confused.

1287
01:26:04,293 --> 01:26:08,093
Speaker 2: New Zealand farmers are aghast at the environmentally ignorant and

1288
01:26:08,133 --> 01:26:12,733
Speaker 2: economically inept greenhouse gas emissions targets announced by the coalition

1289
01:26:12,813 --> 01:26:16,653
Speaker 2: government last week, even worse than previous targets from the

1290
01:26:16,653 --> 01:26:20,573
Speaker 2: Green Party playbook. The Nets have now shown their anemically

1291
01:26:20,613 --> 01:26:24,733
Speaker 2: weak understanding of science and have instead taken the impotent

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Speaker 2: option of simply demanding higher generic targets. We thought we

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Speaker 2: had a coalition who understood the economy, who could see

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Speaker 2: through rampant extremism in climate change positioning, and would acknowledge

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Speaker 2: the fact that Kiwi farmers are the best in the

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Speaker 2: world producing more food with lower emissions. We are the

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Speaker 2: only sector in the world that actually utilizes a greenhouse

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Speaker 2: gas as part of our food production through photosynthesis process

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Speaker 2: and the only sector with an offset. Pasture raised livestock

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Speaker 2: are net sequesters of greenhouse gases, but is ignored by

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Speaker 2: our own sector as this doesn't suit their current ideology.

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Speaker 2: These targets are not only unnecessary and misguided, they now

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Speaker 2: fast track the destruction of the integrity of our world

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Speaker 2: class red meat protein production as we loom towards feed

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Speaker 2: additives and expensive interference with natural methane processes through a

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Speaker 2: myriad of pointless vaccines, boluses and misguided genetics. The real

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Speaker 2: shame is the waste of taxpayer money and science resources

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Speaker 2: that will be diverted even further toward chasing methane fairies.

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Speaker 2: ILike that toward chasing methane fairies instead of genuine R

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Speaker 2: and D. The government is asking for a fight on

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Speaker 2: this and a fight they will get. We will need

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Speaker 2: individual farmers mobilized in order to do this, as our

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Speaker 2: own sector leaders have simply appeased and agreed all in

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Speaker 2: the name of gaining accolades, funding and avoiding embarrassment around

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Speaker 2: the one billion dollars that has been squandered on methane

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Speaker 2: reduction to date. Us to Watts needs a cold bath

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Speaker 2: of reality. At the very same time that his own

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Speaker 2: government demands increased production and growth. He has just cut

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Speaker 2: the wings off the golden goose that would have paid

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Speaker 2: for hospitals and healthcare that we already cannot afford. The

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Speaker 2: sad reality is that all New Zealanders will pay for

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Speaker 2: these misguided targets through even higher energy and food costs

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Speaker 2: and continued slower economic growth. Prepare for more pine trees

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Speaker 2: at a further decline in our sector. From James Smith,

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Speaker 2: Methane Science Accord founding member, New Zealand Representative, Global Farmer,

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Speaker 2: Roundtable environmentalist and free range farmer. The very, very powerful

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Speaker 2: and potent and I repeat myself commentary and I hope

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Speaker 2: it inspires many of you to react accordingly. Who would

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Speaker 2: have thought that this government that got swept to power

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Speaker 2: would have taken such a dumb, ignorant idiotic approach. Now,

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Speaker 2: I do you think that's too dramatic? You're not yet

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Speaker 2: aware of the damage that's being done by this supposedly

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Speaker 2: supposedly conservative government or is that an exaggeration? Now, anyone

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Speaker 2: from the government is welcome to get in touch and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk further if you wish to defend it. But

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Speaker 2: on the fact or on the basis that Simon wants

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Speaker 2: mite even talk to the biggest farming people, I don't

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Speaker 2: expect any acknowledgement. And on that happy note, we shall

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Speaker 2: depart from podcasts number two hundred and seventy but it's

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Speaker 2: time for people to speak up more than they ever

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Speaker 2: have before. I'm still stunned that this government is taking

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Speaker 2: this approach. Now, if you want to correspond with us,

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Speaker 2: go for your life later at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot

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Speaker 2: nz and Carolyn with a why don't forget crol Yn

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Speaker 2: at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot Nz. We shall return in

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Speaker 2: a few days with podcasts number two hundred and seventy one.

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Speaker 2: Until then, thank you for listening, thank you for your patience,

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Speaker 2: and love to hear from you, and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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