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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So the government's move on orders have had a bit

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Speaker 2: of a mixed response since they were announced, Yesterda. As

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Speaker 2: you'd expect, there's a fair amount of concern for vulnerable

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Speaker 2: rough sleepers, and the Police Association president Steve wat told

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Speaker 2: Mike this morning that he's a little bit concerned.

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Speaker 3: Now. I think the issue for us is that what's

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Speaker 3: we acknowledged is a problem there. For police, this is

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Speaker 3: yet another job they have to do with already stretch resources.

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Speaker 3: We simply don't have the men and woman power in

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Speaker 3: order to deal with this problem.

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Speaker 2: Carl Tiffenbacker is a Wellington City council and with us now, Hi.

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Speaker 1: Carl, hey here, how are you going?

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Speaker 2: And well? Thank you? Do you think these move on

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Speaker 2: orders are helpful or not?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think if you start from the basis of

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Speaker 1: are we doing the best we possibly can and is

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Speaker 1: it giving us good results? You probably have to say no,

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Speaker 1: not really. So I think it's another cog in the

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Speaker 1: wheel of the police to help us do better. So

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Speaker 1: I'm quite positive about them.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: What would you do if you could add more to it?

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Speaker 2: Like what would be the silver bullet?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think the reality is what we're the first

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Speaker 1: of all, got to accept is that it's not so

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Speaker 1: much a homelessness problem. It's really more a substance abuse

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Speaker 1: problem in a mental health issue. Once we accept that,

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Speaker 1: then I think the approach we need to take is

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Speaker 1: that we need to work on those solutions rather than

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Speaker 1: the fact that building more houses will get these people

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Speaker 1: off the street.

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Speaker 2: Now, what does a mental health solution look like?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't know. I'm simply an ice cream

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Speaker 1: seller and a counselor. We pay a lot of people

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Speaker 1: a lot of money to basically deal with these things,

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Speaker 1: and I think the government needs to be focused on

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Speaker 1: actually working with counsels and getting a joint solution to it.

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Speaker 2: Are your retailers in Wellington happy about it?

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Speaker 1: I would mentionine know where. I haven't actually managed to

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Speaker 1: speak to them at the stage, but I am one

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Speaker 1: of them, and as far as I'm concerned, I know

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Speaker 1: that Courtney Place, for example, we have a real issue

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Speaker 1: with a lot of homeless around there at the moment.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, let's face it, if you've got a

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Speaker 1: child and you're going to send them into hopefully the

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Speaker 1: reading cinema once it reopens, you're going to do a

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Speaker 1: lot more. Happily, if there's not a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: people sitting on street.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's going to ask this question, where do they get

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Speaker 2: moved on to?

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Speaker 1: Though, Well, that is a question that the government really

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Speaker 1: need to help out with it. Really, as I said,

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Speaker 1: it is a mental health issue, so we have to

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Speaker 1: deal with that. It is a substance abuse issue. We

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Speaker 1: have to deal with that. That's complex. You know, I

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Speaker 1: get second tired of people saying it's complex, but that

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Speaker 1: is something that the government, in the those institutions really

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Speaker 1: need to be getting to the bottom of.

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Speaker 2: Don't you guys in Wellington have some sort of a

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Speaker 2: wet house or something up Taranaki Street.

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Speaker 1: We have some some things in place. We have a

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Speaker 1: city safety team working on things as well. Obviously, what

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Speaker 1: we're doing at the moment, though, isn't getting us the

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Speaker 1: results we are.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I was meaning, Kyl, is don't you have

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Speaker 2: a place like a shelter or something that people can

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Speaker 2: be moved to.

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Speaker 1: I think there are still limitations on whether they can

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Speaker 1: get and I don't think it's a full wet house.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, thank you, Carle. Always appreciate your time. It's

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Speaker 2: Carl Tiffanbaker, who's a Wellington City councilor.

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