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Speaker 1: So Turkey becomes the center of a lot of stuff. Tonight, MARKA.

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Speaker 1: Rubia is going to be making the Syrian foreign minister,

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Speaker 1: apparently on a bigger stage. Zlensky is going to meet

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Speaker 1: perhaps Putin, perhaps not to try and maybe maybe not

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Speaker 1: sort out the war. So we're part of the coalition

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Speaker 1: of the willing, obviously, so we've got to stake in

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Speaker 1: all of this. Former Foreign Minister to Don McKinnon back

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Speaker 1: with us, Don.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you sense this goodwill here that this could go

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Speaker 1: somewhere or we wouldn't have a clue.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of goodwill on Zolensky's side.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's goodwill on Putin's side. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure the Americans have their own president choreographed to

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Speaker 2: go in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's some sort of rumor that Trump may

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Speaker 1: show up. Do these key people need to be in

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Speaker 1: the room or can you do this without them?

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Speaker 2: Well, you could do it without them. But this has

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Speaker 2: been very finely balanced, really, and there's a great deal

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Speaker 2: of uncertainty about what sort of a deal would trump'sy

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Speaker 2: is successful, and I think there's a fairly body of

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Speaker 2: opinion which said he would be prepared to give too

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Speaker 2: much away to Russia. That's not good because you know,

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Speaker 2: the coach and the willing countries like us, the liberal democracies,

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Speaker 2: we do stand up for that freedom of sovereignty, which

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Speaker 2: is Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Do we actually have a say? And more important, I

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Speaker 1: suppose does the EU and NATO have a say? Those

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Speaker 1: three get in the room and somehow come to an arrangement.

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Speaker 1: Who else gets to, you know, toss their ten cents

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Speaker 1: with him?

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Speaker 2: What its arranged really, if it's agreed upon between Trump

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Speaker 2: and Putin, is probably the final deal. Is that good

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Speaker 2: for Zelenski? That is, we don't know. And this is

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Speaker 2: where the worry is. I think the European leaders have

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Speaker 2: done a tremendous amount of stepping up to the plate.

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Speaker 2: Are a long way from where they'd like to be,

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Speaker 2: but they certainly have influence, as does NATO, and it's

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Speaker 2: very real for that part of the world. An old

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Speaker 2: friend of mine, the former foreign Minister of Estonia, says

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Speaker 2: quite candidly, if Ukraine has lost, we are next. We

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Speaker 2: in Estonia are next. And she's quite truthful about that,

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Speaker 2: because they know what it's like to be under the

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Speaker 2: Russian heel.

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Speaker 1: And talking about truthful When America says let's sort this

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Speaker 1: or we're out, do you believe them?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can sort it out, but to whose advantage.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that the Trump administration is fully behind

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Speaker 2: the sovereign state of Ukraine as we all expect it

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Speaker 2: to be, and that will be tested by this meeting

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Speaker 2: in Turkey.

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate time very much to Don M. Kenton,

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