1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Jason wool Zby's political editors with US. Now, hiy Jason, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. So we still don't have a final vote 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: on this pay equity situation. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: We do not. Indeed, it's still in what's called the 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: Committee of the Whole House phase. Now you don't usually 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: hear about this because it's not really that worthy of 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: reporting as sandwich right between the third reading and the 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: second reading, and it's essentially a way for members of 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: the House to query the Minister who's in charge of 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: the bill on any questions that they have and any 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: slight amendments that they might want as well. Now, this 12 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: has been going on for a number of hours last 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: actually was I thought this was going to be wrapped 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: up last night, but the houses in urgency where it 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: started at nine am this morning, they had a quick 16 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: lunch break and it's been going ever since. They stopped 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: for question time. But we're still in the Committee of 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: the Whole House phase, so it's really taking quite some time. 19 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you one person who hasn't been here today, 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: and that's the Prime Minister. He was in Rotruer speaking 21 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: at a tourism event at around nine point fifteen am. 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: And despite question to time being at two p Luxon 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: wasn't able to make it into the house. Now it's 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: quite unusual on a Wednesday for the Prime Minister not 25 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: to be here and this was noted by Chris Hipkins. 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Speaker to the Prime Minister. Maybe the 27 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: Prime Minister will show up during this one. Does he 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: stand by all of his governments. 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: It's a fair play to Chris Hipkins getting a bit 30 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: of a lick on the Prime Minister there, But that 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: means that Winston Peters was filling in for the Prime Minister, 32 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: which always makes for quite a fun afternoon because remember 33 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: when Winston is speaking in the House for the Prime minister, 34 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: technically that is coming from the office of the Prime Minister. 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: So although Winston's speaking technically it's the comments can be 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: attributed to the Prime Minister and no guesses for what 37 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: was being talked about today. 38 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: Why did Nikola Willis call the pay equity process a 39 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: sign of success last year if it now needs dismantling 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: and is the government's real motive to balance the books 41 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: at the expense of working Kiwi woman? 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: So of course it was pay equity now Winston was 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: quite keen to play the man, not the ball. Excuse 44 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: the phrase in this legislation. 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: And dare I said, when you start talking about pay equity, 46 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: the first thing you must understand where a woman is 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: concerned is what a woman is. 48 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: Now. Of course that is a reference to the question 49 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: that Chris Hipkins got when he was Prime Minister, where 50 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: he took quite a while to actually define what he 51 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: thought a woman was. But he was more prepared today 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: to clap back at Winston. 53 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: Is his definition of a woman someone who's paid less 54 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: than a man. 55 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a bit of a political football 56 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: in the house today. So we keep an eye on 57 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: this one. It's still going and maybe maybe maybe we'll 58 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: get a third reading tonight. 59 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Because the trouble is, we've got David Parker's valedictory at 60 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty to six, don't we, So under an hour's time. 61 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: So what happens if they haven't finished it yet? Do 62 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: they pause, do the valedictory, and then come back to it. 63 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: So the pause, do the valedictory, then they break for dinner, 64 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: then they come back for it. So I'm all going smoothly, well, 65 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: this will still be going on. 66 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't the opposition it's best interest to 67 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: drag this on as much as possible, right, so it 68 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: basically creates more headlines. 69 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean the flip side of it as 70 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: well is the opposition will argue and they have been 71 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: arguing that they haven't got a Select Committee process to 72 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: be able to explore these arguments and get some information 73 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: from the minister. So this is essentially sort of technically 74 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: this the Select Committee process and that's why the chair 75 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: who is the Deputy Speaker of the House is letting 76 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: this go on so long. 77 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: Oh you know, fair enough, fair enough, absolutely, Now what 78 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: has the Maori Party apologized for? 79 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: No, So we talked about it last night, but it 80 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: was that post about where they asked their followers how 81 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: long they think their MPs will be suspended for. Alongside 82 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 2: the post was an excerpt from the Privileges Committee which 83 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: discussed if they should be suspended for seven, forteen or 84 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: twenty one days. So this was from the Privileges Committee. 85 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: Judith Collins wasn't happy at all about this, so we 86 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: asked Debbie Nadi, a packer, about this this afternoon. Have 87 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: listened to what she had to say. 88 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to while we've got your attention. 89 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 4: We were aware that an instagram put up last night 90 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: created a little bit of tension for the cheer of 91 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: the Privileges Committee. We acknowledged that no MP, including the 92 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: co leaders, were responsible for that. It is a mistake 93 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: that's happened internally, which we're reviewing. So we had sent 94 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: an apology to the Cheer to say, no, you're right, 95 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: you've got us on it, and that was a mistake 96 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: and we'll review it. 97 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: So they're reviewing it. It was an emotional junior staff aga. 98 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: Whoa why are they apologizing for this? Like, after all 99 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: of their behavior, this is the least degregious thing that 100 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: they've done that sound funny, So are they apologizing for it? 101 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: Why is this the thing that they think is so bad? 102 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: I honestly thought they would own this and say that, 103 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: oh well, you know, at the end of the day, 104 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: this is what's going to happen to us. But you know, 105 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: we'll find out in a couple of hours. We've got 106 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: our intrepid reporter, a Zaria Howell, who's staying late for 107 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: the Privileges Committee, which starts at eight thirty and should 108 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: wrap up at about nine thirty, So messing with my 109 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: head man, Yes, keep an ear out, to keep an 110 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: ear out to z B. For the outcome of that 111 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: one will be all across it. 112 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, do you reckon David park is 113 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: going to get the snark in over the wealth tax 114 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: that he didn't get. 115 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. And I always think that this happens. I 116 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: think that these these MPs that you know, I mean, 117 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: in David Parker's defense, he did have a bit of 118 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: a crack when he was an MP. But I get 119 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: so sick of these MPs and their valedictory speeches talking 120 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: about what they wish they could have done when you 121 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: were the one that was in power. I mean, Grant 122 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: Robertson was a particularly bad case when he was talking 123 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: about some text changes and I was like, my man, 124 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: you were the finance minister. But I think Parker is 125 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: going to be a bit better than that. 126 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: I want him to spill the tea. Hey, thanks very much. 127 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: Appreciated Jason Wall's news Talks. He'd be political editor. 128 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 129 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: news talks. He'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 130 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.