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Speaker 2: All going well. This could be the final Easter weekend
Speaker 2: of not knowing what's open and not what's not, and
Speaker 2: when and when you can drink something and when you can't.
Speaker 2: And Karen Mcinaughty's Members Bill to make Amendments to the
Speaker 2: Shop Trading Ours Act has recently passed its first reading
Speaker 2: at Parliament. MPs in the past have tried and failed
Speaker 2: at making changes to the legislation, including acts Cameron Luxton
Speaker 2: justin in December, just gone and Cameron joins me now
Speaker 2: of Cameron, good.
Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning Tim.
Speaker 2: So you support Labour's version of the bill.
Speaker 3: I support Kiaren Mchinolfi's version of the bill. It's a
Speaker 3: member's bill that Karen's put up. And as you say,
Speaker 3: it's got a bit of a change from my failed
Speaker 3: attempt in December, which my failed attempt was actually addressing
Speaker 3: the problems you just mentioned in You and You're Opening.
Speaker 3: They're talking about whether the confusion is being addressed or
Speaker 3: not of who is and isn't open and who can trade.
Speaker 3: That's not actually being addressed in this version that Karen's
Speaker 3: been through the house. Karen's addressing the one of the
Speaker 3: elements in my bill, which was also addressing, which is
Speaker 3: the you know, the fantalization of kids when people when
Speaker 3: treating them like kids when they want to go and
Speaker 3: with their friends and family out to enjoy a meal
Speaker 3: and a drink without having all the confusing rules about
Speaker 3: how long you must be there before you can eat
Speaker 3: something and what you must eat before you can drink.
Speaker 3: That's just silly rules. But yeah, unfortunately it doesn't touch
Speaker 3: on the confusing hodgepodge mishmash of rules around the country
Speaker 3: that tell businesses whether they can and can't open, whether
Speaker 3: employees are must work or can have the day off.
Speaker 3: That sort of stuff isn't being addressed. But look, it's
Speaker 3: a good change. And as you say, many people have
Speaker 3: tried and failed because maybe biting off more than we
Speaker 3: can chew. But I think just yeah, that was my question.
Speaker 2: His ambitions aren't particularly lofty. Pretty much, it's just about
Speaker 2: being able to have a drink without having to order
Speaker 2: about five plates of chips or whatever. Is that the
Speaker 2: key to a success. It's you know, softly, softly, catchy
Speaker 2: monkey sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I had to go at trying to actually fix
Speaker 3: what many people see as the problem. And look, when
Speaker 3: I was pushing my bill last year, I went around
Speaker 3: the country. I met with lots of businesses, employees, I
Speaker 3: heard tons of stories from different rules around the country.
Speaker 3: I lobbied other MPs hard to say why wouldn't you
Speaker 3: change these rules? There was a lot of There was
Speaker 3: a lot of work done here and not just from me.
Speaker 3: There are other MPs across the House who thought this
Speaker 3: change was a sensible change and came in and supported
Speaker 3: and talked to colleagues and businesses and groups around the country.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of work done last year,
Speaker 3: and so you know, it's great to have so soon
Speaker 3: on the heels of that effort to have a bill
Speaker 3: like this across So the arguments have been getting bandied
Speaker 3: around the House for a while. So I think when
Speaker 3: you say by this is this is just just an
Speaker 3: addressing line issue, a little nibble. It's not going to
Speaker 3: be the change that ends that. You know, people will
Speaker 3: think this is going to change the rules in their area.
Speaker 3: It's not. If your business can open, which right now
Speaker 3: isn't It is not a uniform across the country. Then
Speaker 3: it will remove those trading restrictions, but it won't actually
Speaker 3: open businesses around the country that are otherwise closed in
Speaker 3: the area when they want to trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly, what do you reckon? Is it going
Speaker 2: to is it going to win the day or conscience
Speaker 2: votes are going to do us in again.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say it is a conscience vote bill.
Speaker 3: Mine was also a conscience vote and it was block
Speaker 3: voted down by New Zealand. My bill was block voted
Speaker 3: down by New Zealand first Labor Green's antiparty Mali. But
Speaker 3: it's interesting, you say, well, the Conchin spoke get up
Speaker 3: this time Green the Labor Party did actually split their
Speaker 3: votes up on Karen's bill. So they so they voted
Speaker 3: with a large proportion in favor and a large proportion against.
Speaker 3: So along with the members of the House who really
Speaker 3: were more consistent when you're voting on my bill on December,
Speaker 3: it got up. So look, I've got I'm going to
Speaker 3: be out there saying it's a great idea. No, don't
Speaker 3: mean I'm not trying to sound like it. It's a
Speaker 3: great thing. And I think and I'll be going around
Speaker 3: to the members that I that I everybody just live
Speaker 3: and saying this is a good bill, we should be
Speaker 3: supporting it.
Speaker 2: Excellent. I appreciate your time this morning, Cameron. Well we'll
Speaker 2: just have to wait and see whyn't we.
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