1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,693 --> 00:00:19,613 Speaker 2: All going well. This could be the final Easter weekend 4 00:00:19,613 --> 00:00:22,573 Speaker 2: of not knowing what's open and not what's not, and 5 00:00:22,613 --> 00:00:24,453 Speaker 2: when and when you can drink something and when you can't. 6 00:00:24,493 --> 00:00:26,853 Speaker 2: And Karen Mcinaughty's Members Bill to make Amendments to the 7 00:00:26,933 --> 00:00:29,453 Speaker 2: Shop Trading Ours Act has recently passed its first reading 8 00:00:29,493 --> 00:00:32,893 Speaker 2: at Parliament. MPs in the past have tried and failed 9 00:00:32,893 --> 00:00:37,133 Speaker 2: at making changes to the legislation, including acts Cameron Luxton 10 00:00:37,973 --> 00:00:41,173 Speaker 2: justin in December, just gone and Cameron joins me now 11 00:00:41,213 --> 00:00:41,893 Speaker 2: of Cameron, good. 12 00:00:41,733 --> 00:00:43,613 Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning Tim. 13 00:00:43,653 --> 00:00:45,493 Speaker 2: So you support Labour's version of the bill. 14 00:00:46,373 --> 00:00:50,293 Speaker 3: I support Kiaren Mchinolfi's version of the bill. It's a 15 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:54,253 Speaker 3: member's bill that Karen's put up. And as you say, 16 00:00:54,253 --> 00:00:56,453 Speaker 3: it's got a bit of a change from my failed 17 00:00:56,453 --> 00:01:01,853 Speaker 3: attempt in December, which my failed attempt was actually addressing 18 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:04,053 Speaker 3: the problems you just mentioned in You and You're Opening. 19 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:07,413 Speaker 3: They're talking about whether the confusion is being addressed or 20 00:01:07,413 --> 00:01:09,933 Speaker 3: not of who is and isn't open and who can trade. 21 00:01:10,533 --> 00:01:14,293 Speaker 3: That's not actually being addressed in this version that Karen's 22 00:01:14,293 --> 00:01:18,493 Speaker 3: been through the house. Karen's addressing the one of the 23 00:01:18,493 --> 00:01:21,613 Speaker 3: elements in my bill, which was also addressing, which is 24 00:01:21,653 --> 00:01:26,693 Speaker 3: the you know, the fantalization of kids when people when 25 00:01:26,773 --> 00:01:28,453 Speaker 3: treating them like kids when they want to go and 26 00:01:28,973 --> 00:01:31,813 Speaker 3: with their friends and family out to enjoy a meal 27 00:01:31,893 --> 00:01:34,573 Speaker 3: and a drink without having all the confusing rules about 28 00:01:34,613 --> 00:01:36,613 Speaker 3: how long you must be there before you can eat 29 00:01:36,653 --> 00:01:38,893 Speaker 3: something and what you must eat before you can drink. 30 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:42,453 Speaker 3: That's just silly rules. But yeah, unfortunately it doesn't touch 31 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:47,653 Speaker 3: on the confusing hodgepodge mishmash of rules around the country 32 00:01:47,653 --> 00:01:51,053 Speaker 3: that tell businesses whether they can and can't open, whether 33 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:55,573 Speaker 3: employees are must work or can have the day off. 34 00:01:55,613 --> 00:01:57,893 Speaker 3: That sort of stuff isn't being addressed. But look, it's 35 00:01:57,893 --> 00:02:00,653 Speaker 3: a good change. And as you say, many people have 36 00:02:01,453 --> 00:02:04,173 Speaker 3: tried and failed because maybe biting off more than we 37 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:07,813 Speaker 3: can chew. But I think just yeah, that was my question. 38 00:02:08,653 --> 00:02:11,693 Speaker 2: His ambitions aren't particularly lofty. Pretty much, it's just about 39 00:02:11,733 --> 00:02:13,733 Speaker 2: being able to have a drink without having to order 40 00:02:13,933 --> 00:02:17,133 Speaker 2: about five plates of chips or whatever. Is that the 41 00:02:17,213 --> 00:02:20,853 Speaker 2: key to a success. It's you know, softly, softly, catchy 42 00:02:20,893 --> 00:02:21,773 Speaker 2: monkey sort of thing. 43 00:02:23,013 --> 00:02:25,733 Speaker 3: Well, I had to go at trying to actually fix 44 00:02:25,773 --> 00:02:28,733 Speaker 3: what many people see as the problem. And look, when 45 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:33,213 Speaker 3: I was pushing my bill last year, I went around 46 00:02:33,253 --> 00:02:35,773 Speaker 3: the country. I met with lots of businesses, employees, I 47 00:02:35,813 --> 00:02:38,813 Speaker 3: heard tons of stories from different rules around the country. 48 00:02:39,493 --> 00:02:42,533 Speaker 3: I lobbied other MPs hard to say why wouldn't you 49 00:02:42,653 --> 00:02:46,653 Speaker 3: change these rules? There was a lot of There was 50 00:02:46,653 --> 00:02:49,133 Speaker 3: a lot of work done here and not just from me. 51 00:02:49,173 --> 00:02:51,893 Speaker 3: There are other MPs across the House who thought this 52 00:02:51,973 --> 00:02:54,613 Speaker 3: change was a sensible change and came in and supported 53 00:02:55,013 --> 00:02:59,853 Speaker 3: and talked to colleagues and businesses and groups around the country. 54 00:02:59,933 --> 00:03:02,133 Speaker 3: So there was a lot of work done last year, 55 00:03:02,213 --> 00:03:04,853 Speaker 3: and so you know, it's great to have so soon 56 00:03:04,973 --> 00:03:07,813 Speaker 3: on the heels of that effort to have a bill 57 00:03:07,933 --> 00:03:10,893 Speaker 3: like this across So the arguments have been getting bandied 58 00:03:10,933 --> 00:03:13,533 Speaker 3: around the House for a while. So I think when 59 00:03:13,533 --> 00:03:16,733 Speaker 3: you say by this is this is just just an 60 00:03:17,133 --> 00:03:21,293 Speaker 3: addressing line issue, a little nibble. It's not going to 61 00:03:21,333 --> 00:03:23,933 Speaker 3: be the change that ends that. You know, people will 62 00:03:23,933 --> 00:03:27,853 Speaker 3: think this is going to change the rules in their area. 63 00:03:27,973 --> 00:03:31,853 Speaker 3: It's not. If your business can open, which right now 64 00:03:32,133 --> 00:03:35,733 Speaker 3: isn't It is not a uniform across the country. Then 65 00:03:35,973 --> 00:03:39,653 Speaker 3: it will remove those trading restrictions, but it won't actually 66 00:03:39,773 --> 00:03:42,493 Speaker 3: open businesses around the country that are otherwise closed in 67 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:44,613 Speaker 3: the area when they want to trade. 68 00:03:44,773 --> 00:03:47,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly, what do you reckon? Is it going 69 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:49,333 Speaker 2: to is it going to win the day or conscience 70 00:03:49,373 --> 00:03:50,653 Speaker 2: votes are going to do us in again. 71 00:03:51,653 --> 00:03:55,573 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say it is a conscience vote bill. 72 00:03:55,973 --> 00:03:59,573 Speaker 3: Mine was also a conscience vote and it was block 73 00:03:59,693 --> 00:04:03,093 Speaker 3: voted down by New Zealand. My bill was block voted 74 00:04:03,093 --> 00:04:07,653 Speaker 3: down by New Zealand first Labor Green's antiparty Mali. But 75 00:04:07,733 --> 00:04:09,853 Speaker 3: it's interesting, you say, well, the Conchin spoke get up 76 00:04:09,893 --> 00:04:14,573 Speaker 3: this time Green the Labor Party did actually split their 77 00:04:14,653 --> 00:04:18,613 Speaker 3: votes up on Karen's bill. So they so they voted 78 00:04:19,573 --> 00:04:22,973 Speaker 3: with a large proportion in favor and a large proportion against. 79 00:04:23,053 --> 00:04:27,933 Speaker 3: So along with the members of the House who really 80 00:04:28,013 --> 00:04:31,933 Speaker 3: were more consistent when you're voting on my bill on December, 81 00:04:32,213 --> 00:04:34,573 Speaker 3: it got up. So look, I've got I'm going to 82 00:04:34,573 --> 00:04:37,173 Speaker 3: be out there saying it's a great idea. No, don't 83 00:04:37,213 --> 00:04:40,013 Speaker 3: mean I'm not trying to sound like it. It's a 84 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:42,613 Speaker 3: great thing. And I think and I'll be going around 85 00:04:43,333 --> 00:04:46,013 Speaker 3: to the members that I that I everybody just live 86 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:47,333 Speaker 3: and saying this is a good bill, we should be 87 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:47,893 Speaker 3: supporting it. 88 00:04:47,973 --> 00:04:51,173 Speaker 2: Excellent. I appreciate your time this morning, Cameron. Well we'll 89 00:04:51,213 --> 00:04:52,293 Speaker 2: just have to wait and see whyn't we. 90 00:04:52,813 --> 00:04:55,773 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B listen live on air 91 00:04:55,973 --> 00:04:58,653 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 92 00:04:58,733 --> 00:05:01,093 Speaker 1: go with our podcast on IAR Radio.