1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talk zed B. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:16,347 Speaker 2: Test one of the Rugby Championship tonight, Wellington All Blacks Argentina, 4 00:00:16,387 --> 00:00:18,947 Speaker 2: Sky Stadium, five past seven. Let's hope it's more like 5 00:00:19,027 --> 00:00:21,707 Speaker 2: this from last year's Rugby World Cup. Well John over 6 00:00:21,827 --> 00:00:25,947 Speaker 2: ted over halfway, put a kick it behind, chasing after 7 00:00:25,987 --> 00:00:30,387 Speaker 2: it and pats of old Jordan he DICTI sess solar 8 00:00:30,587 --> 00:00:34,227 Speaker 2: chi and less like this from two years ago in 9 00:00:34,307 --> 00:00:38,307 Speaker 2: christ Church. The Sirens about to go Argentina just need 10 00:00:38,347 --> 00:00:39,307 Speaker 2: to get it into touch. 11 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:40,547 Speaker 1: They just need to. 12 00:00:40,467 --> 00:00:42,507 Speaker 2: Get it out. Who wants to do it? 13 00:00:42,587 --> 00:00:42,907 Speaker 1: The bat? 14 00:00:42,987 --> 00:00:47,027 Speaker 2: He said, I'll do it, Babus Bamas Argentina. I remember 15 00:00:47,027 --> 00:00:50,707 Speaker 2: that night in christ Church the Pumas lost, Pumas beating 16 00:00:50,707 --> 00:00:52,347 Speaker 2: the All Blacks for the first time. Let's bring in 17 00:00:52,867 --> 00:00:55,987 Speaker 2: former All Blacks midfielder Peter A. Latini for some analysis 18 00:00:55,987 --> 00:00:58,587 Speaker 2: of this game. First of all, Peter, have you assessed 19 00:00:58,587 --> 00:01:01,067 Speaker 2: the first three tests under Scott robertson this year? 20 00:01:02,147 --> 00:01:04,427 Speaker 3: I think, fuck everyone here has made it's a past 21 00:01:04,547 --> 00:01:08,107 Speaker 3: mark and so we didn't lose. We didn't lose, and 22 00:01:08,147 --> 00:01:11,027 Speaker 3: I think it's building nicely. I really did like that 23 00:01:11,027 --> 00:01:13,227 Speaker 3: that we had England straight off the bat. I think 24 00:01:13,267 --> 00:01:17,587 Speaker 3: it's that they're really good chess series to really you know, 25 00:01:17,667 --> 00:01:20,467 Speaker 3: for some of our boys under under Raisin, especially for 26 00:01:20,547 --> 00:01:23,307 Speaker 3: Raisin this new coaching group, to get a feel around 27 00:01:23,627 --> 00:01:26,787 Speaker 3: to rugby, I suppose, and also these selections of group 28 00:01:26,867 --> 00:01:29,787 Speaker 3: they have, and then having having having the opportunity to 29 00:01:29,827 --> 00:01:33,107 Speaker 3: face Fiji and San Diego, the amount of changes they 30 00:01:33,187 --> 00:01:35,227 Speaker 3: made and to get the score. So he's got a 31 00:01:35,787 --> 00:01:38,267 Speaker 3: got a good kind of complete squad across the board, 32 00:01:38,427 --> 00:01:41,987 Speaker 3: I suppose of what they want so far and something 33 00:01:42,027 --> 00:01:44,867 Speaker 3: to really build on in specially tonight against Argentina and 34 00:01:44,947 --> 00:01:45,627 Speaker 3: the Championship. 35 00:01:46,027 --> 00:01:48,827 Speaker 2: When he assesses the first three tests, you know, with 36 00:01:48,907 --> 00:01:51,587 Speaker 2: reference to what lies head and the Rugby Championship Argentina, 37 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:53,987 Speaker 2: South Africa, Australia and the end of year tour. If 38 00:01:53,987 --> 00:01:56,347 Speaker 2: you look back to those three tests, particularly the England ones, Peter, 39 00:01:57,067 --> 00:01:59,507 Speaker 2: where are the improvements you think he'll be most keen 40 00:01:59,547 --> 00:02:00,067 Speaker 2: on seeing. 41 00:02:01,667 --> 00:02:04,307 Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing and we all know it, 42 00:02:04,387 --> 00:02:07,587 Speaker 3: it's seeing a teams like le in South Africa around 43 00:02:07,587 --> 00:02:10,387 Speaker 3: the rush defense. I think Marsh has always spoken up 44 00:02:10,387 --> 00:02:12,627 Speaker 3: about it that we haven't gotten answer, and he's absolutely 45 00:02:12,747 --> 00:02:16,227 Speaker 3: right mate. I think the improvements is around just our 46 00:02:16,267 --> 00:02:19,067 Speaker 3: skills said that we know that we have as who 47 00:02:19,107 --> 00:02:21,867 Speaker 3: are those guys in those right places to really execute 48 00:02:21,867 --> 00:02:23,707 Speaker 3: the skill set there is required when we come up 49 00:02:23,707 --> 00:02:26,227 Speaker 3: against rush defence, when we come up against the high 50 00:02:26,267 --> 00:02:29,827 Speaker 3: kech so's it's really around that area, I think it 51 00:02:30,067 --> 00:02:33,387 Speaker 3: and and that we need to make sure that that 52 00:02:33,467 --> 00:02:35,987 Speaker 3: we kind of firmly have and and the other side 53 00:02:36,027 --> 00:02:38,747 Speaker 3: is as long as get back to around us playing 54 00:02:38,747 --> 00:02:41,547 Speaker 3: with speed, making sure that that's that's been our siper 55 00:02:41,627 --> 00:02:43,067 Speaker 3: for a long time. How do we make sure that 56 00:02:43,107 --> 00:02:46,547 Speaker 3: we keep shifting at that contact among speeding our skill 57 00:02:46,587 --> 00:02:48,867 Speaker 3: sets to be able to finish off tries with the 58 00:02:49,147 --> 00:02:50,147 Speaker 3: with the battery that we have. 59 00:02:50,627 --> 00:02:52,467 Speaker 2: How do you used to handle the rush defense as 60 00:02:52,467 --> 00:02:53,107 Speaker 2: a midfielder? 61 00:02:54,827 --> 00:02:56,907 Speaker 3: I think it wasn't too much of a thing with 62 00:02:57,027 --> 00:02:59,587 Speaker 3: South Africa. At times it was still the old up 63 00:02:59,627 --> 00:03:02,907 Speaker 3: and out and drust. This still gave us a little time. 64 00:03:02,987 --> 00:03:06,107 Speaker 3: But I do know especially with myself around rush de 65 00:03:06,107 --> 00:03:08,387 Speaker 3: fence when it that happened was around my footwork. You know, 66 00:03:08,907 --> 00:03:10,827 Speaker 3: we're going to have guys to be able to as 67 00:03:10,827 --> 00:03:12,387 Speaker 3: they come through this. This is the only if we 68 00:03:12,427 --> 00:03:14,627 Speaker 3: get too square on them. Most of the time you're 69 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:17,227 Speaker 3: going to get smoked by by those big defenders. But 70 00:03:17,347 --> 00:03:20,467 Speaker 3: having good footwork was was was was always to get 71 00:03:20,467 --> 00:03:22,067 Speaker 3: on the side and then being able to move. And 72 00:03:22,067 --> 00:03:25,307 Speaker 3: that's probably where we just need to hopefully have and 73 00:03:25,547 --> 00:03:29,507 Speaker 3: we do have guys and all that profile to be 74 00:03:29,547 --> 00:03:30,307 Speaker 3: able to get the job. 75 00:03:31,027 --> 00:03:33,627 Speaker 2: So he's gone Jordy Barrett and Antone Leonart Brown as 76 00:03:33,627 --> 00:03:35,667 Speaker 2: the starting midfield pair for tonight. Why do you think 77 00:03:35,707 --> 00:03:36,587 Speaker 2: he's gone that way? 78 00:03:37,987 --> 00:03:41,987 Speaker 3: I think this there's a big probably look at the 79 00:03:42,027 --> 00:03:45,827 Speaker 3: ability to distribute to our outsides and and that's probably 80 00:03:45,827 --> 00:03:50,227 Speaker 3: been a criticism of Rico after the couple of tists 81 00:03:50,267 --> 00:03:54,147 Speaker 3: and against England, where we do have space on the 82 00:03:54,187 --> 00:03:56,867 Speaker 3: outside and and and we're not getting it out to 83 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:02,467 Speaker 3: those guys. So I think Leonard Brown and obviously protact, 84 00:04:02,547 --> 00:04:07,267 Speaker 3: obviously a sig and they disrespected him, but always seen 85 00:04:07,307 --> 00:04:09,707 Speaker 3: that how you know, how effective we can be with 86 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:13,907 Speaker 3: being able to really text the inside and create space 87 00:04:13,947 --> 00:04:16,067 Speaker 3: on the outside telve boys to finish. So I think 88 00:04:16,107 --> 00:04:18,587 Speaker 3: that's where Leonard Brown I think is you know, we 89 00:04:18,747 --> 00:04:21,947 Speaker 3: know experience he years as well, so that brings another 90 00:04:22,507 --> 00:04:25,267 Speaker 3: another element to that to that change. But then also 91 00:04:25,347 --> 00:04:27,747 Speaker 3: him retail on the bench, him coming back off the 92 00:04:28,587 --> 00:04:31,147 Speaker 3: benches and as an impact and we all know what 93 00:04:31,147 --> 00:04:33,667 Speaker 3: he can do. So I'm just hoping that you know, 94 00:04:34,147 --> 00:04:37,507 Speaker 3: hasn't really good Bruco too much, because he is. He's 95 00:04:37,547 --> 00:04:39,547 Speaker 3: still one of the best in New Zealan and what 96 00:04:39,587 --> 00:04:41,587 Speaker 3: he does is just you be able to go his 97 00:04:41,627 --> 00:04:44,307 Speaker 3: game into what Raisan is such a good one. 98 00:04:44,627 --> 00:04:47,187 Speaker 2: It's becoming quite a quite a contestable position though, isn't 99 00:04:47,227 --> 00:04:48,787 Speaker 2: it both of them. Well, I think Jordi Barrett's the 100 00:04:49,027 --> 00:04:51,187 Speaker 2: locked in twelve, but when you look at thirteen Rica 101 00:04:51,267 --> 00:04:53,027 Speaker 2: you Annie Antel, Lennart Brown and as you say, Billy 102 00:04:53,067 --> 00:04:56,347 Speaker 2: Proctor only against Fiji of course, but I thought he 103 00:04:56,387 --> 00:04:58,027 Speaker 2: made a pretty good first of us step up to 104 00:04:58,067 --> 00:04:59,187 Speaker 2: test Ragie. What did you think? 105 00:04:59,747 --> 00:05:02,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've really been impressive Philly, and I'll followed him 106 00:05:02,627 --> 00:05:05,587 Speaker 3: during his last couple of years and in the change 107 00:05:05,587 --> 00:05:09,027 Speaker 3: where he's really sort out the skill set is worked rate. 108 00:05:10,027 --> 00:05:12,827 Speaker 3: I really love his I think that's one of although 109 00:05:12,827 --> 00:05:15,267 Speaker 3: he's got great he's got a great skill set to 110 00:05:15,267 --> 00:05:19,107 Speaker 3: get balled out wide. I've been really impressed and his 111 00:05:19,587 --> 00:05:22,787 Speaker 3: ability to to to defend well, it seemed to being 112 00:05:22,827 --> 00:05:25,347 Speaker 3: able to read those those back doors the outside coming through. 113 00:05:25,347 --> 00:05:27,627 Speaker 3: But also his work rate and being able to get 114 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:30,267 Speaker 3: back in the position is off ballwork. So I'm being 115 00:05:30,267 --> 00:05:33,507 Speaker 3: really impressive with it. And I think, you know, given 116 00:05:33,547 --> 00:05:36,307 Speaker 3: the opportunity, he will put real heat in the midfield. 117 00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:39,147 Speaker 3: But again that's exactly what we're after and and just 118 00:05:39,227 --> 00:05:42,827 Speaker 3: throws our depth in that position one in at. 119 00:05:43,227 --> 00:05:46,107 Speaker 2: At first five, Damien McKenzie's I've got a fourth start, 120 00:05:46,147 --> 00:05:47,907 Speaker 2: So I'm I'm pleased to see them, you know, give 121 00:05:47,987 --> 00:05:51,347 Speaker 2: them a decent crack. How have you assessed his ability 122 00:05:51,427 --> 00:05:53,187 Speaker 2: to guide the team around. 123 00:05:54,067 --> 00:05:56,787 Speaker 3: I'm always I've always been a big fan of dmat. 124 00:05:56,867 --> 00:06:00,787 Speaker 3: I think he's getting giving these opportunities, getting the consistent 125 00:06:00,867 --> 00:06:03,947 Speaker 3: selections at ten, I think we'll only get it better 126 00:06:03,987 --> 00:06:07,107 Speaker 3: and then we that's I you know where we need 127 00:06:06,947 --> 00:06:10,307 Speaker 3: to go with we understand this course, that we understand 128 00:06:10,427 --> 00:06:13,347 Speaker 3: his time. Again he put another guy that they can 129 00:06:14,387 --> 00:06:17,547 Speaker 3: be able to really derail that rush defense just with 130 00:06:17,947 --> 00:06:21,627 Speaker 3: his ability to read that. So I think he's usable 131 00:06:21,707 --> 00:06:23,467 Speaker 3: partner for me and and I look forward to more 132 00:06:23,587 --> 00:06:24,187 Speaker 3: as he goes through. 133 00:06:24,547 --> 00:06:26,147 Speaker 2: And then I look at the locks and I know 134 00:06:26,267 --> 00:06:28,467 Speaker 2: this isn't your specialist position, but I'll be keen to hear. 135 00:06:28,587 --> 00:06:30,667 Speaker 2: I be keen to hear your views on the inexperience. 136 00:06:30,707 --> 00:06:33,107 Speaker 2: And there, of course no Scott Barrett for this one. 137 00:06:33,187 --> 00:06:35,787 Speaker 2: No Patrick tuyplot to White Lock gone, retellic gone. So 138 00:06:35,867 --> 00:06:38,947 Speaker 2: we're tupor V and Sam Dowry to start Josh Lord 139 00:06:39,307 --> 00:06:42,187 Speaker 2: on the bench. I can't remember a greener Locking trio 140 00:06:42,307 --> 00:06:44,547 Speaker 2: than that. Peter, should we be concerned at all about 141 00:06:44,587 --> 00:06:45,627 Speaker 2: that or excited by it? 142 00:06:46,227 --> 00:06:49,147 Speaker 3: I think we should be excited. Piney, I think I 143 00:06:49,227 --> 00:06:50,947 Speaker 3: think this is where we need to get through. We 144 00:06:51,067 --> 00:06:53,627 Speaker 3: understand who are god that's missing, but this is the 145 00:06:53,707 --> 00:06:57,587 Speaker 3: opportunity that the boys get to start against Argentina, you know, 146 00:06:58,627 --> 00:07:02,067 Speaker 3: and has been in an older squad seet they all 147 00:07:02,187 --> 00:07:04,307 Speaker 3: made an environment right and I mean there he's the 148 00:07:04,387 --> 00:07:06,867 Speaker 3: only one that's that's fealing new and and he was 149 00:07:06,867 --> 00:07:09,547 Speaker 3: a big passmuking CG. But I think we need to 150 00:07:09,587 --> 00:07:12,307 Speaker 3: grow these players again, the depths that we have, and 151 00:07:12,427 --> 00:07:14,667 Speaker 3: Locks needs to as we go, you know, just because 152 00:07:14,667 --> 00:07:17,107 Speaker 3: we're not saying what lock and retalct the guns for 153 00:07:17,427 --> 00:07:20,187 Speaker 3: many years and this is an opportunity to really go 154 00:07:20,347 --> 00:07:22,787 Speaker 3: their depth and these guys, and these guys have proven 155 00:07:22,907 --> 00:07:27,307 Speaker 3: again through this super super rugby form for the last 156 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:29,467 Speaker 3: couple of years that they've been really consistent the best 157 00:07:29,507 --> 00:07:31,587 Speaker 3: and it's just just straat to have something on blod 158 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:35,547 Speaker 3: to really step their market. And then Ciserna all. 159 00:07:35,507 --> 00:07:37,707 Speaker 2: Right, and just a word on Argentina to finish. I 160 00:07:37,747 --> 00:07:40,467 Speaker 2: think when we look at a rugby calendar, and particularly 161 00:07:40,507 --> 00:07:43,307 Speaker 2: Rugby Championship, look at South Africa two tests away going 162 00:07:43,387 --> 00:07:45,707 Speaker 2: to be tough, the Australian bled Uslow Cup games always 163 00:07:45,747 --> 00:07:48,627 Speaker 2: eye catching. Should we how should we feel about Argentina. 164 00:07:48,707 --> 00:07:50,267 Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't that long a couple of years 165 00:07:50,267 --> 00:07:52,347 Speaker 2: they beat us on home soil for the first time. 166 00:07:52,387 --> 00:07:53,667 Speaker 2: How should we assist their threat? 167 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,627 Speaker 3: I think we should always treat them with the respect 168 00:07:56,627 --> 00:07:58,827 Speaker 3: they deserve. Like you said, you've mentioned it. You know 169 00:07:58,947 --> 00:08:01,907 Speaker 3: it's lost to them and home soil to the time. 170 00:08:01,987 --> 00:08:04,227 Speaker 3: So they are a threat and it's good for us. 171 00:08:04,267 --> 00:08:07,787 Speaker 3: We need to be on edge where and we need 172 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:10,107 Speaker 3: to start well in this championship. Good nights for well. 173 00:08:10,227 --> 00:08:12,867 Speaker 3: As you said that those games and seven we are 174 00:08:12,907 --> 00:08:15,507 Speaker 3: going to be tough and and these boys will will 175 00:08:15,587 --> 00:08:18,507 Speaker 3: have to be prepped up. But first taking care of Argentina. 176 00:08:18,707 --> 00:08:20,547 Speaker 2: Good Man Peter always love chatting to you, mate, have 177 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:21,427 Speaker 2: an excellent afternoon. 178 00:08:21,587 --> 00:08:22,947 Speaker 3: Thank to you Piney, thanks mate, No. 179 00:08:23,027 --> 00:08:25,987 Speaker 2: You, thank you mate. That's Peter Alertey, former All Blacks midfielder. 180 00:08:26,067 --> 00:08:29,147 Speaker 2: Some interesting thoughts. I have to admit this one has 181 00:08:29,187 --> 00:08:32,147 Speaker 2: crept up on me. The Olympics have kind of dominated 182 00:08:32,227 --> 00:08:34,107 Speaker 2: my sporting consciousness for the last two weeks. But I 183 00:08:34,187 --> 00:08:37,627 Speaker 2: love the All Blacks, think most of us do. I'm 184 00:08:37,667 --> 00:08:40,227 Speaker 2: looking forward tonight, looking forward tonight as much as I 185 00:08:40,227 --> 00:08:41,627 Speaker 2: always look forward to All Blacks tests. 186 00:08:42,347 --> 00:08:45,507 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 187 00:08:45,627 --> 00:08:48,907 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 188 00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:50,547 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio