1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Kiota. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Microsoft is 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: ending its support for the Windows ten operating system from today. 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: It means computers still running the system might be at risk, 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: given security updates will stop, and while the company is 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: urging users to upgrade for free to Windows eleven, not 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: all devices will be able to support it. At the 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: same time, there are growing concerns about the surge in 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: electronic waste. Today on the front Page, Consumer and z 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Products test writer Nick Gelling is with us to take 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: us through what happens to your old devices. So Nick, 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: first off, tell me what's actually happened with Windows ten. 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: So starting from today, Microsoft is ending support for Win 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: those ten computers. What that means is that they won't 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: be receiving security updates anymore. So any computers that are 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: still running Windows ten start to become a risk against 18 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: online attacks and that kind of thing. 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know about you, but I do 20 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 4: actually have a Windows computer. I had no idea that 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 4: this was happening, and I don't even know why. I 22 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 4: need to go home and check what system is it's 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: operating do you reckon. Microsoft's done a good enough job 24 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 4: actually telling consumers about this change. 25 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: It's a huge job. They've got so many customers. Yeah, 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: it's a really difficult thing for them to get the 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: word out to everyone. They've tried, but yeah, there will 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: absolutely be a lot of people that have slipped through 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: the cracks, and I'm sure there's more that they could 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: have done. And that's I think where the role of 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: an organization like Consumer is to get the word out 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: and tell people what their options are. 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: What are their options? 34 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: Our first and best option, we think for most people, 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 3: is to enroll in Microsoft's Extended Security Updates Program, which 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: is a free thing that you can access from your 37 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: update settings on your Windows ten computer, and it basically 38 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: opts you into an extra year of support, so that'll 39 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: keep you getting updates until October next year. Microsoft hasn't 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: done a very good job of telling us that that's 41 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: there or promoting it, but yeah, that's probably the first 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: and foremost thing. You could also switch to a different 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: operating system if you're not tied to Windows, you could 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: install a Linux distribution or something like that instead, but 45 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: that takes a little bit of you know, technological knowledge 46 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: and If you don't want to do either as either 47 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: of those things, then probably you're looking at buying a 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: new Windows eleven computer. 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had to look at our Windows ten 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 4: was first released in twenty fifteen. Is ten years kind 51 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: of like the standard for an operating system like. 52 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: This, Yeah, i'd say it is. 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: Microsoft has had a ten year life cycle for its 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: operating systems for quite a long time, maybe forever, so 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: that is normal and in of itself, you know, ten 56 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: years is quite a long time, right. Windows ten was 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: a hugely successful product, and heaps of people are using it. 58 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: It's got a huge install base and people haven't migrated 59 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: off of it yet, and there's a few reasons for that. Partially, 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: it's because in order to install Windows eleven, you need 61 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: to have particular hardware requirements on your computer, and some 62 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: people just don't have those parts, so they can't grade, 63 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: so they're stuck on Windows ten. And that hasn't happened 64 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: in the past with previous versions of Windows. You've just 65 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: been able to upgrade, not in one hundred percent of cases, 66 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: but you know, ninety five percent of cases. So that's 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: the big difference this time round. Windows eleven was only 68 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: announced four years ago along with those requirements. So there 69 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: are people that would have bought computers in you know, 70 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: twenty twenty or even early twenty twenty one that are 71 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: now not compatible with Windows eleven only four years later, 72 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: you know, So what are they supposed to do? And 73 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: is that fear that they've only got four years out 74 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: of their computer. 75 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 76 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: Windows is apparently the most popular computing system in the world, 77 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 4: with Microsoft saying it is used on over one point 78 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: four billion devices globally. Around forty three percent of these 79 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: we're using Windows ten as of July. So it's fair 80 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 4: to say there should be quite a few New Zealanders impacted. 81 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: Do you know how many thereabouts there might be in 82 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: New Zealand? 83 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: I mean, we have estimates, they're not very scientific estimates. 84 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: I'm going on about thirty percent of New Zealand computers 85 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: running Windows ten. That number has come down in the 86 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: last few months because coming up to the switch off, 87 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: people have been thinking about their other options. But even 88 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: based on that thirty percent figure, we're talking hundreds of 89 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: thousands of affected computers in New Zealand, which is you know, 90 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: it's a pretty unbelievable scale. 91 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, it's huge. 92 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 4: I mean, given it means that these systems won't be 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: receiving security updates, will it just be open market for hackers? 94 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: Like if I were a hacker, I'd be rubbing my 95 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: little hands together at the moment, just hoping that half 96 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: of at least half of these or even one percent 97 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: of these people don't know that this is happening, right. 98 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And that's that's the risk. 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: And I think it's a risk that Microsoft has created 100 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: for them selves a little bit. If there is waves 101 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: of cyber attacks and heaps of people are losing their 102 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: private information or losing money, it's going to look really 103 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: bad for Microsoft. It's just so hard to predict. I 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: think it's the thing. You know, things might be fine 105 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: for for months or even you know, a year in 106 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: the future. It might still be safe to use Windows teen. 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: Who knows, but we can't know that, and it could 108 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: be super dangerous as of tomorrow. So it's an unpredictable environment. 109 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: We don't know what's going to happen, but you don't 110 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: want to be involved if it all can tends to custard. 111 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Is there a way that because there are. 112 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: External companies that do those secure security upgrades. I'm thinking 113 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: like was there Noughton or something I'm thinking of, like 114 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 4: back in the back in the day, where you'd have 115 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: a desktop and you'd put a CD in and it 116 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: would do like security software, So Mum and Dad didn't 117 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 4: get any bugs in the computer after I downloaded Jason 118 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: Derulo or something. Are there those kind of things anymore? 119 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all that stuff still exists. 120 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: It's a little bit less popular than it was, but yeah, 121 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: there are plenty of security suite options. 122 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: They will do a job. 123 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: If you were to keep using a Windows teen computer 124 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: after today, which I wouldn't recommend, but having one of 125 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: those installed would help you, it would, you know, it 126 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: certainly wouldn't do you any harm. While they can stop 127 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: I guess the more surface level attacks, the really fundamental, 128 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: deep level kind of the really scary cyber stuff is 129 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: at the operating system level. And so yeah, an unsecure 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: operating system is there's no way to really patch over 131 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: that completely. 132 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 4: Well, what happens when you like had the old Windows 133 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: and then installed Windows ninety five. 134 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: That's a good question, honey. 135 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 5: When you upgrade from Windows three point one, old program 136 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 5: manager groups transferred automatically to this menu. 137 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Oh, well, that's easier than changing dry cleaners. I mean, 138 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: you know you always leave something behind. 139 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: Now below that is your document's menu, which contains your 140 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 5: recently used documents. 141 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: So I mean if you can get back to work 142 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: on a file faster. 143 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 5: Precisely, Now Settings gets you to the new improved control 144 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 5: panel your printer's folder and allows you to customize the taskbar. 145 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 5: The fine feature is all new on Windows ninety five. 146 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 5: It's a fast way to find files or folders. 147 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 4: You mentioned Microsoft is giving uses those two options either 148 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: update to Windows eleven or sign up to get that 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: extended security updates for twelve months. Do you reckon that's 150 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: good enough? 151 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: I would say it's the bare minimum, So you know 152 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: that's good that they're meeting the minimum. Now by making 153 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: that extendency scurity updates free and available to everyone, there's 154 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: a lot more that Microsoft could do, right. They're a 155 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: huge company. They have all the resources in the world 156 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: and close to a monopoly on the PC market, right, 157 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: so they have so much control, and we think they've 158 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: got a duty as well, like a responsibility to all 159 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: of these customers that paid for their product in the 160 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: past to kind of look after those people. And that 161 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: includes the people that can't access Windows eleven for whatever reason. 162 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, because when I saw that twelve month timeline to 163 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: get that security A mean, I mean, it kind of 164 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: looked like to me that it was we're giving you 165 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: twelve months to go buy another laptop or go buy 166 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 4: another desktop or something. 167 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Hey. 168 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what the messaging has been. I've been 169 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: pretty disappointed in the messaging from Microsoft, to be honest. 170 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: They're using the extended support kind of just as another 171 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: way to market Windows a live in more than anything else. 172 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: You know, people do need a bit of time to 173 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: you know, maybe you need to save up some money 174 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: to buy a new computer or whatever. So that is, 175 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, it's a validle thing that you might need 176 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: just a little bit more time extended security updates. We 177 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: think it's more than that. It doesn't need to just 178 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: be a way to buy you some time while you 179 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: buy a new Microsoft branded laptop. 180 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: You know, Apple's battery gate scandal was about deliberately throttling 181 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 4: old phones to encourage upgrades. Is ending Windows ten support? 182 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: Microsoft's version of that perhaps. 183 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: Trying to get me to say something that I might regret. 184 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 4: You don't say anything you won't regret. I mean, it 185 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 4: just looks like that right from like your general consumer 186 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: point of view. Because Apple got into a lot of 187 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: trouble for that. 188 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they have. 189 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: They've had just been quite a lot of money on it. 190 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: It's important to note that they've never Apple has never 191 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: admitted that they did anything wrong. They settled the lawsuit, 192 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 3: but I think that was really just to get it 193 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: out of the news cycles. 194 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: You know. 195 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: I imagined Microsoft would take a similar kind of stance 196 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: in that trying to move technology forward or whatever, and 197 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: this is the way to do that. This was obviously 198 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 3: planned well in advance in Microsoft's case, but there's not 199 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: really evidence to suggest that it's an intentional you know, 200 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: we're doing this just to sell more computers. That might 201 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: be a happy accident that you know, they might be 202 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: quite happy that that's happening. 203 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 204 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: There's question marks for sure, but I don't know if 205 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: we can say it's definitely a dodgy behavior. 206 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: Very diplomatic, respectives, Well done well. I see that Auckland 207 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 4: Council is anticipating a surge in electronic waste as a 208 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: result of this. I see today is also coincidentally International 209 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 4: e Waste Day, so batteries and electronics and rubbish or 210 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: recycling can cause fires in the trucks. I say that 211 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 4: in Auckland alone, waste trucks experienced nine fires in January alone. 212 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 4: So what do you actually do with your old tech? 213 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a huge problem, and it's part of 214 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: the reason that we're trying to encourage people to not 215 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: just get a new laptop for a new computer and 216 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 3: to try and eke out more use from your current 217 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: one if you can. Waste is really quite damaging and harmful. 218 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: If you buy a new computer, you've got to mind 219 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: new minerals to build that, and you've got to have 220 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of emissions to put it all together 221 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: and ship it to you from wherever it was built. 222 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: So there's costs everywhere. Environmentally, there are ways to mitigate that. 223 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: I mean, you can recycle technology and they can take 224 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: some of the more valuable components out of it. And 225 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: also that's some of the stuff that's also the most 226 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: damaging environmentally. It will cost you money often to do that, 227 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: which is you know, people aren't necessarily going to want 228 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 3: to do that, but some recycling centers will take e 229 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: waste for free, which would include laptops, really the key 230 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: message is to try and keep using your laptop for 231 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: a bit longer if you can, if it's still working perfectly, 232 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: so that it just doesn't end up in that situation. 233 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 4: I've seen all of this being called the twenty twenty 234 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 4: five version of Why two K Do You Reckon? 235 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: That'sach Currett. You know, I hadn't thought about it like that. 236 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: It could be we'll see ask me again in a week. 237 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: You know. 238 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: That's probably a little bit dramatic, right, but Y two 239 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: K was dramatic. Basically, It's not like you're using Windows 240 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: ten and then tomorrow your computer won't turn on. 241 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: Right. It's not going to exactly now, You'll still be 242 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: able to use the computer. It's just it'll be a 243 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: risk to you, to your privacy and your safety, which 244 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: is a you know, people aren't going to want to 245 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, it's going to affect a lot of people, 246 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: and it could be a pretty huge deal. It could 247 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: be a really significant moment that will remember, you know, 248 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: for years to come. Depends on how people act now 249 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 3: if they try to mitigate those risks to themselves. 250 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Nick, Thank you. That's it for 251 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: this episode of the Front Page. You can read more 252 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: about today's stories and extensive news coverage at enzadherld dot 253 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: co dot nz. The Front Page is produced by Jane 254 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: Ye and Richard Martin, who is also our editor. I'm 255 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: Chelsea Daniels. 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