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Speaker 1: Very so seeing your political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hi Barry, good afternoon. Heavens would you.

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Speaker 1: Agree that it's time to just buy these planes by

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Speaker 1: new ones.

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Speaker 2: Well you know the point that the Defense Minister, Judith

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Speaker 2: Colin said, no prime minister wants to spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of money on something deemed to be nice to have.

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Speaker 2: Well you'd have to raise the question is it nice

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Speaker 2: to have? Because there's nothing that gives you more pride

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand when you're traveling with the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: And I've done it on the Air Force plan on

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Speaker 2: many of many occasions, having been grounded too on many occasions.

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Speaker 2: But when you fly in on r n ZAF plane

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Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister steps off it, it really shows

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Speaker 2: you're not just waving the flag, you say, showing that

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Speaker 2: you're a pretty capable sort of a country. And to

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Speaker 2: that end, you know, I think that we should have

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Speaker 2: we should either that we used to lease planes from Quantas.

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Speaker 2: There's no we don't have enough plans to the end

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Speaker 2: New Zealand to lease. But you could do that. The

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Speaker 2: only problem is the Quantits would probably have their livery

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Speaker 2: on the.

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Speaker 1: But it also doesn't get around the other use of

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Speaker 1: the plane, which is that the Defense Force uses this

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Speaker 1: plane to be able to go down to Antarctic get

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Speaker 1: and ship crew around, a soldiers around and so on.

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Speaker 1: So you actually just need a plane, you need another

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Speaker 1: two planes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. And you know, if we're going to

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Speaker 2: be viable, I mean, don't forget we did away with

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Speaker 2: all the skyhawks, so we diminished the strength of the

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Speaker 2: air force a number of years ago. And these are

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Speaker 2: they are for transporting troops. They don't just transport to

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Speaker 2: the Prime minister and his entourage. And the entourage of

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Speaker 2: course includes journalists. And if a prime minister doesn't have

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Speaker 2: journalists on a trip, that is for the media companies

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Speaker 2: relatively cheap because they pay a bit of a peppercorn

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Speaker 2: the season. Yeah, and you know you they lose the

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Speaker 2: momentum for the trip. So publicity is very important to

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Speaker 2: them as well, and that's why they love traveling on

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Speaker 2: the plane with the media and all the others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, commercial is not an optioname, I would say, well

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Speaker 1: not if you need not if you need the Defense

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Speaker 1: Force to be using it as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, because the Defense Force has to have

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Speaker 2: some transportation.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the granny flats announcement.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting, isn't it. Essentially Winston Peters, who's

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Speaker 2: the acting Prime Minister at the moment, he says, it's

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Speaker 2: unlocking the space in the backyards of family members. It

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Speaker 2: opens up the door to new ways of living, as

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Speaker 2: if you want granny and Grandad and the flat on

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Speaker 2: your property kids, But I guess it does. But look,

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing to me in all of this is

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Speaker 2: that the Resource Management Act is not going to stand

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Speaker 2: in the way of what they describe as minor residential units.

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Speaker 2: They'll be permitted with no longer requiring resource conceit and

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Speaker 2: that's got to be certainly a big plus. Now, the

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Speaker 2: Housing Minister, who is standing beside Winston Peter's and the

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Speaker 2: new conference, he says something has to change when it

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Speaker 2: comes to house ownership in this country, and he says

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Speaker 2: he's determined to do something about it.

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Speaker 3: But if we're going to be a property owning democracy,

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Speaker 3: which we used to be, we need to make housing

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Speaker 3: more affordable. And it is outrageous that average house prices

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand have risen faster than any other OECD

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Speaker 3: country in the last two decades. There are many reasons

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Speaker 3: for that A big one is our planning system, which

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Speaker 3: we are sorting out and today's announcement is just one

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Speaker 3: small parcel of the wider planning reform we've got underway.

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Speaker 3: And we look back after twenty years and say we've

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Speaker 3: got a housing crisis. Well, hello, the RIMA is a

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Speaker 3: big part of the problem and we're fixing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I say here here to that. But you

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Speaker 2: remember that it was impossible to get the last National

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Speaker 2: government to agree that there was a housing crisis. It

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Speaker 2: was very much to the forefront then as it is

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Speaker 2: even worse now.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with Chris Hopkins that this National lead

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Speaker 1: government's going to be a one term well?

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Speaker 2: He said, he told his party conference over the weekend

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Speaker 2: in Wellington. He said, there's also a vibe that it's

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Speaker 2: time for a change. I mean, give me a break.

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Speaker 2: Sex months into a government, time for a change.

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Speaker 1: Was he not talking about the last night, No.

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Speaker 2: He's talking about this current government. And he said he's

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Speaker 2: been buoyed by the opinion polls that, of course have

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Speaker 2: shown that the government's not particularly popular, but not popular

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Speaker 2: because they have inherited what is a dreadful situation in

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Speaker 2: this country. The economy is on its knees at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and it'll take some very hard decisions to get it

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Speaker 2: back to anywhere near at what it was, and that

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Speaker 2: will mean a lot of pain. So of course people

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Speaker 2: are disgruntled. The opinion polls to me at the moment

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Speaker 2: are absolutely irrelevant. It's later on then you take notice

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Speaker 2: of them. But hopefully for this government the got some

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Speaker 2: good policy.

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Speaker 1: Employee Hapkins has identified that the way to win the

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Speaker 1: next selection is to win back Auckland. How does he

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Speaker 1: win back Auckland.

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Speaker 2: Well, very very difficult. He blames the vote away from

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Speaker 2: certainly from the National Party from the Labor Party in

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Speaker 2: Auckland as being essentially because of the COVID lockdown in

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Speaker 2: the city. And you may remember that I said to

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Speaker 2: Dern at the time when I got back from Auckland

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Speaker 2: after that very long lockdown, get up to your own city.

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Speaker 2: You're a constituent MP there. She hadn't been here, and

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Speaker 2: she finally did the following week, but only spent it

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Speaker 2: half a day there, so you know, it's just no

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Speaker 2: commitment from Labor to the city.

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Speaker 1: Barry, thank you appreciated. That's Barry so Per, senior political correspondent.

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