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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talk saied.

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Speaker 2: B get a to you. Welcome into Tuesday show. Hope

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Speaker 2: you're doing pretty well. Thanks for giving us the listeners always.

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Speaker 2: Matt Heath, are you doing very good?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tyler, Thank you everyone for tuning in across

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Speaker 3: this beautiful country of ours, you great New Zealanders. Now

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Speaker 3: as appearance, sometimes hypocrisy blows up in your face.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good stuff.

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Speaker 3: And you have to look at yourself in the mirror

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Speaker 3: and go, I am scum. And this happened to me.

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Speaker 3: I was down at the at the mother in law's

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Speaker 3: for a Christmas party and yeah, beautiful and look. I'm

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Speaker 3: always saying to my kids when I see them running

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Speaker 3: out to get something on the driveway or going outside

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Speaker 3: in their socks. I'm always saying, put some shoes on. Yep,

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Speaker 3: no so outside that kind of thing. Yeah, pay good

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Speaker 3: money for those socks. Anyway, I was putting up a

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Speaker 3: marquee in the backyard for the party, big party, putting

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Speaker 3: up a marquee, yep, and people could dine outside. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of people at this party.

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Speaker 2: Nice, yep.

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Speaker 3: And I went out my socks.

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Speaker 2: To do it, you dirty bugger, you dirty bugger.

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Speaker 3: And I stood in a dog's leaving and my white

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Speaker 3: sox while I was putting up the marquee. And look,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest, it was my dog, Colin, who had

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Speaker 3: taken down there as well, who had made the dogs leaving.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what it is challenging trying to

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Speaker 3: with a sock, a white sock that's mushed in a

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Speaker 3: dog leaving, because what do you do? You just sort

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Speaker 3: of take it off, but then you know, it's quite

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jehosah down outside, I mean, because that's awful for

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Speaker 2: the gifts that it get a bit of spray on them.

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Speaker 3: I cleaned it in the kitchen sink.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, of.

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Speaker 3: Course nice, of course I didn't. Of course I didn't.

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Speaker 3: But my son was there with me and he He

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Speaker 3: was just shaking his head, going, Dad, how many times?

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Speaker 3: How many times have I told you to not wear

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Speaker 3: your socks outside?

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Speaker 2: It's a great moment for your boy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well dead, But I had to, I had to

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Speaker 3: look myself in the mirror and say the hypocrisy. But

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Speaker 3: I have managed to restore those socks. There was there

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Speaker 3: were calls to throw them out, yep, but I've managed

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Speaker 2: You fought the power on a bleach.

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Speaker 3: Look, I wrenched them then put them in a doggie bag. Nice,

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Speaker 3: And then and then took them home and dealt with

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Speaker 2: Soon as dedications that in a bag in your car

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I think as a parent, the lesson is,

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Speaker 3: you know, you have to lead by example. And if

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's useful for anybody. That's a good sup right there.

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Speaker 3: All all credibility has been lost with my kids.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic Right on to today's show after three point

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Speaker 2: thirty special treat for you every day this week. We're

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Speaker 2: having a whole bunch of of great people on the

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Speaker 2: show and we have called it Matt Heath.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I've got a song. I've got a song.

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Speaker 3: I'm singing the intro to it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, bar rump a pump bum for Christmas catch up

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Speaker 4: bar rump a bump bum with Kid ASKUEI is pa

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Speaker 2: That is that is some beautiful production that has been

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Speaker 3: Andrew just ran out the back. I sung onto a

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Speaker 3: So who is the kackass Kiwi for our Christmas catch

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Speaker 2: Tyler haymush kerr Olympic gold medalist, high jam champion, just

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Speaker 2: an all round good bugger. He is an amazing young man.

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Speaker 2: So he is our Christmas catch up with kick ass

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Speaker 2: kiwis today and that's going to be every day this week.

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Speaker 2: So that's after three point thirty, after three o'clock is

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Speaker 2: we're all going about our Christmas shopping. No doubt you've

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Speaker 2: heard this at the checkout, would you like to donate

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Speaker 2: that can backfire, and a survey of three hundred and

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Speaker 3: What do you care? Because I either do or don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But then I feel like a bad person. I

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Speaker 2: I don't want to help out that kid's charity because

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Speaker 2: about the kids clearly, and and the dogs that need

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Speaker 3: When I go into pitstock, well, look, you can in

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Speaker 3: And then say no, I'm comfortable with the amount of

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what your problem is. Your problem is

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Speaker 3: that you've confronted with it and you think that they

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Speaker 5: Is that what it is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I feel. I feel the judgment they

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Speaker 2: Like how do you? How dare you? But we're going

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Speaker 2: to ask you that question after three three o'clock. Do

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you'll look at the numbers and let's have

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Speaker 3: your analysis on how we're going as an economy. Is

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Speaker 3: the is the coalition government doing the right thing? Could

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Speaker 3: they do more? Should they do less? We'd love to

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Speaker 2: That, but right now let's get into this. So trade

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Speaker 2: Me's had another hard year. Revenue has fallen. It was

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Speaker 2: Chinese online retailers like Timu putting some pressure on trade me,

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it does seem that people are using trade

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Speaker 3: from your experience, if you were a big trade me

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Speaker 3: mover user, have you moved on? Is it just the

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Speaker 3: there problems with the site? What would you like to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: Is it going the way of the trade in exchange?

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Speaker 2: That was a great thing, the Trade and Exchange?

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Speaker 3: Bring that back, well, the Trade and Exchange. They had

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Speaker 3: what they needed to do and write in their face right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: eBay was sitting there. They could have been the New

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Speaker 3: New Zealand eBay which trade Me became, right, yeah, trade

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Speaker 3: And because the Trading Exchange was great, name, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: It was mister trick there. But oh, eight one hundred

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Speaker 2: don't use trade me anymore, why and what needs to change?

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Speaker 2: And if you're still using it as a trader, how

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Speaker 2: Are you starting to get at your wits end?

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Speaker 3: This text loves it. Just sold my golf bag and

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Speaker 3: trundler on trade me today. I bought it secondhand off

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Speaker 3: trade me about eight years ago for about half of

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Speaker 3: got to love a bidding ward Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Eddie working for Eddie. It is quarter

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Speaker 2: past one. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 2: that number to call back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking

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Speaker 2: about trade me. It's had another hard year. Its revenue

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Speaker 2: has gone down just shine of ten million dollars from

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Speaker 2: seventy five million last year to sixty six million this year,

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Speaker 2: and it is a bit of a trend. This is

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Speaker 2: the marketplace which deals with obviously the options and the

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Speaker 2: fixed pot price. Other parts of the business are doing okay,

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Speaker 2: but if you've stopped using trade me, really can never

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Speaker 2: check with you, Why have you stopped using it? And

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Speaker 2: what does it need to do to change our eight

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen eighty set number.

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Speaker 3: Rob, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on trade me

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Speaker 3: at the moment?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, all all I put it down to is

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Speaker 5: simply the cost.

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Speaker 6: A few years ago it was you know, twenty five

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Speaker 6: thirty five bucks per riem, Yeah, regardless of the value.

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Speaker 6: Nowadays it's sort of one hundred and fifty one hundred

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Speaker 6: near that value. So it's the only thing I'll put

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Speaker 6: it down to is pueling and simply cost.

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Speaker 3: Have you gone somewhere else?

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Speaker 5: Rob? Yep? Marketplace?

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Speaker 2: And you haven't found yourself scammed on Facebook marketplace obviously,

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Speaker 2: He'd be a bit early there, twenty four past one.

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Speaker 2: Trade me. He's had another tough year on the financials

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Speaker 2: rob is full of misinformation, says this Texter. Marketplace is

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, trading, So we use trading as everyone else does.

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Speaker 5: So you want to so ultimately a platform that provides

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Speaker 5: Interesting, So you AI is going to change it all, so.

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Speaker 2: Obviously run those numbers, Ben, and you think you could

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Speaker 3: your eyes over that yes, I c H y.

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Speaker 2: Yeah or the bitches if you can pull that off

441
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Speaker 2: and fantastic yeah yeah.

442
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Speaker 5: Oh.

443
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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

444
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Speaker 2: call if you've stopped using trade me Why in nine

445
00:22:41,413 --> 00:22:43,453
Speaker 2: two ninety two is the text number as well. Just

446
00:22:43,453 --> 00:22:46,053
Speaker 2: spotted a text there from someone who clearly works in

447
00:22:46,133 --> 00:22:49,373
Speaker 2: real estate and how much fees are going up according

448
00:22:49,413 --> 00:22:51,533
Speaker 2: to them next year? Is mind blowing? Or read that

449
00:22:51,653 --> 00:22:53,813
Speaker 2: out next it is twenty seven to two.

450
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Speaker 7: You talk, it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

451
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Speaker 7: no trouble with a blue bubble. A reveal of the

452
00:23:02,773 --> 00:23:06,493
Speaker 7: government book shows no return to surplus is in sight.

453
00:23:07,013 --> 00:23:09,653
Speaker 7: Treasury is half year ECONO. The con fiscal update show

454
00:23:09,733 --> 00:23:13,933
Speaker 7: the deficit including acc will remain as far as Treasury

455
00:23:14,053 --> 00:23:18,533
Speaker 7: forecasts go to the year ending June twenty thirty. Netcll

456
00:23:18,613 --> 00:23:21,853
Speaker 7: crown dead as the proportion of GDP is forecast to

457
00:23:21,933 --> 00:23:26,333
Speaker 7: keep increasing to mid twenty twenty seven before stabilizing.

458
00:23:25,653 --> 00:23:26,573
Speaker 2: And then reducing.

459
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Speaker 7: Some victims are being discharged from hospital in Sydney after

460
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Speaker 7: Australia's worst mash shooting in more than three decades at

461
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Speaker 7: Harnekah celebrations on Sunday. It left fifteen people dead and

462
00:23:39,253 --> 00:23:43,413
Speaker 7: forty two injured. Six victims in hospital remain critical, another

463
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Speaker 7: four are stable but critical. The Public Service Minister says

464
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Speaker 7: a plan to amalgamate the ministries of Environment, Housing and

465
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Speaker 7: Urban Development and Transport and some internal affairs functions is

466
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Speaker 7: not about cost cutting but will create efficiencies. Conditions are

467
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Speaker 7: improving at Auraqi Mautcook as searchers continue for two missing climbers.

468
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Speaker 7: Why New Zealand Rugby has brought an external expert for

469
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Speaker 7: the all Blacks review see Moore ad In said here

470
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Speaker 7: all premium back to Matt Eth and Tyler Adams.

471
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Railing. We're talking about trade Me.

472
00:24:17,573 --> 00:24:19,933
Speaker 2: They've had another hard year financially. This is for the

473
00:24:19,973 --> 00:24:25,093
Speaker 2: online marketplace. Revenue dropped by just over ten million dollars

474
00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:27,933
Speaker 2: from last year, so that indicates less and less people

475
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:29,813
Speaker 2: are using it. If that's you love to hear from you.

476
00:24:30,013 --> 00:24:34,413
Speaker 3: And there's a bit of skepticism on benth Searchy dot

477
00:24:34,533 --> 00:24:38,973
Speaker 3: com founder yep a trade me competitor, that's going to

478
00:24:39,053 --> 00:24:41,572
Speaker 3: launch a little bit of skepticism that he would turn

479
00:24:41,573 --> 00:24:42,533
Speaker 3: down one hundred million dollars.

480
00:24:42,573 --> 00:24:43,853
Speaker 2: Oh you taking the money? One hundred percent?

481
00:24:43,933 --> 00:24:47,053
Speaker 3: Come on, Mars says. Was he saying he wouldn't sell it?

482
00:24:47,373 --> 00:24:49,453
Speaker 3: If if at one hundred million dollars I called the

483
00:24:49,533 --> 00:24:51,293
Speaker 3: yes on that, yeah, everyone would.

484
00:24:51,413 --> 00:24:53,533
Speaker 2: You wouldn't even tell the board, just say deal, deal.

485
00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:55,813
Speaker 2: I don't care what the board says. I'm taking it.

486
00:24:56,053 --> 00:24:59,493
Speaker 3: It's amazing how people's morals disappear. You know, what is it?

487
00:24:59,773 --> 00:25:01,812
Speaker 3: Money talks, bills at walks is the saying I mean,

488
00:25:01,853 --> 00:25:06,933
Speaker 3: look at what's his name, the founder of open ai exactly?

489
00:25:07,973 --> 00:25:08,733
Speaker 3: What's an Acman?

490
00:25:08,973 --> 00:25:10,533
Speaker 2: Akman? Sam Ackman, sam Ackman.

491
00:25:10,653 --> 00:25:13,093
Speaker 3: So the whole point of open ai was that it

492
00:25:13,213 --> 00:25:16,293
Speaker 3: was going to be free. Elon Muskin and started it

493
00:25:16,653 --> 00:25:20,853
Speaker 3: so Ai would be open to everyone, so it could

494
00:25:20,973 --> 00:25:24,853
Speaker 3: be developed in a way that meant, you know, took

495
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Speaker 3: some of the potential problems out of it and the

496
00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:30,333
Speaker 3: potential evils out of the situation. And then there was

497
00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:32,853
Speaker 3: an opportunity for him to be a billionaire. And suddenly

498
00:25:33,853 --> 00:25:38,053
Speaker 3: all all the values disappeared in puff of smoke. Look

499
00:25:38,093 --> 00:25:39,733
Speaker 3: at Google, Yeah, alphabet company.

500
00:25:39,853 --> 00:25:41,933
Speaker 2: Funny that when you start thinking about the souper yachts

501
00:25:41,973 --> 00:25:43,453
Speaker 2: and the beautiful and you mentioned.

502
00:25:43,213 --> 00:25:48,093
Speaker 3: When they removed they do not be evil ethos from

503
00:25:48,253 --> 00:25:49,853
Speaker 3: their operation exactly, and.

504
00:25:49,933 --> 00:25:52,173
Speaker 2: Just quickly I mentioned a text before of someone that

505
00:25:52,293 --> 00:25:55,453
Speaker 2: clearly uses the property side of the business. And here

506
00:25:55,533 --> 00:25:57,693
Speaker 2: it is, geta guys are property listing that costs one

507
00:25:57,733 --> 00:26:01,373
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in December twenty three is now going to

508
00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:04,333
Speaker 2: cost seventeen hundred bucks in twenty six. It will be

509
00:26:04,373 --> 00:26:07,413
Speaker 2: great if our company ditched them. That is a massive increase.

510
00:26:07,493 --> 00:26:11,653
Speaker 2: That's seventy per cent in three years. Yeah, I mean

511
00:26:11,693 --> 00:26:13,893
Speaker 2: I could see if you're an agent and you're looking

512
00:26:13,933 --> 00:26:16,573
Speaker 2: at that cost versus I mean, the likes of Facebook

513
00:26:16,613 --> 00:26:18,693
Speaker 2: are starting to get up there. But there's other companies

514
00:26:18,853 --> 00:26:21,173
Speaker 2: like one Roof, I've got to say, and they're looking

515
00:26:21,213 --> 00:26:22,893
Speaker 2: at that sort of increase and say, well, we don't

516
00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:25,333
Speaker 2: need you. Oh one hundred eighteen eighties number.

517
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Speaker 3: To cooll Daryl your thoughts on trade me in twenty

518
00:26:29,013 --> 00:26:29,653
Speaker 3: twenty five.

519
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Speaker 8: But there were two reasons that I rang. Number one

520
00:26:34,773 --> 00:26:40,853
Speaker 8: was I stopped using them to sell stuff about a

521
00:26:41,013 --> 00:26:44,813
Speaker 8: year or so ago because as an artist, I was

522
00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:48,813
Speaker 8: finding that the only people that were looking were looking

523
00:26:49,013 --> 00:26:54,533
Speaker 8: for cheap. Basically, people were not prepared to actually pay

524
00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:59,773
Speaker 8: anymore for reasonable product at a reasonable price. If it

525
00:26:59,893 --> 00:27:05,493
Speaker 8: wasn't cheap, that the basic customers weren't interested. Now, I

526
00:27:05,613 --> 00:27:13,493
Speaker 8: can't say that very wide spectrum of the type of

527
00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:16,493
Speaker 8: people that they're actually dealing with, but certainly that's my experience.

528
00:27:17,653 --> 00:27:22,413
Speaker 8: But I was given to move away completely, even as

529
00:27:22,413 --> 00:27:28,533
Speaker 8: a purchaser, when my account was hacked, and that account

530
00:27:28,613 --> 00:27:35,813
Speaker 8: hacking was done by someone who was selling essentially nonexistent

531
00:27:36,013 --> 00:27:43,053
Speaker 8: goods using my name my account, and I found out

532
00:27:43,093 --> 00:27:46,493
Speaker 8: about it fairly quickly got on to trade me who

533
00:27:46,613 --> 00:27:48,893
Speaker 8: basically said that the only thing they were able to

534
00:27:49,013 --> 00:27:52,053
Speaker 8: do was to shut my account down and I would

535
00:27:52,093 --> 00:27:57,413
Speaker 8: have to reopen another one basically from scratch, which.

536
00:27:57,253 --> 00:27:58,333
Speaker 5: Is exactly what I did.

537
00:27:59,773 --> 00:28:01,933
Speaker 3: I mean, and so you didn't need to bring it,

538
00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:04,253
Speaker 3: you didn't mean, you didn't get to bring any of

539
00:28:04,293 --> 00:28:06,493
Speaker 3: your good will over with it, you know, your.

540
00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:08,933
Speaker 14: Whatsoever.

541
00:28:09,853 --> 00:28:13,813
Speaker 8: But what made it worse was that my account was

542
00:28:13,853 --> 00:28:17,333
Speaker 8: hacked again three weeks later. I was then told I

543
00:28:17,373 --> 00:28:20,293
Speaker 8: would have to go through exactly the same process, which

544
00:28:20,373 --> 00:28:22,053
Speaker 8: is that they would shut it down and I have

545
00:28:22,173 --> 00:28:25,093
Speaker 8: to reopen an entirely new count and at that point

546
00:28:25,133 --> 00:28:29,733
Speaker 8: I just said, it's too this is just ridiculous using us.

547
00:28:30,493 --> 00:28:33,053
Speaker 3: You went using password as your password were your Darryl,

548
00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:34,253
Speaker 3: you had a no.

549
00:28:38,453 --> 00:28:43,493
Speaker 8: I had used their suggested security you know how when

550
00:28:43,533 --> 00:28:46,373
Speaker 8: you you get to type in a password and give

551
00:28:46,413 --> 00:28:49,573
Speaker 8: you an option of one of their own, which is

552
00:28:49,613 --> 00:28:52,413
Speaker 8: a really complicated, messy thing. I used that the second

553
00:28:52,453 --> 00:28:53,493
Speaker 8: time and I was still hacked.

554
00:28:53,653 --> 00:28:53,893
Speaker 1: Wow.

555
00:28:55,373 --> 00:28:57,253
Speaker 8: At the end of the day. At that point I

556
00:28:57,373 --> 00:29:01,013
Speaker 8: just said, no, this is just pointless. I can't keep

557
00:29:01,093 --> 00:29:02,253
Speaker 8: doing this every three weeks.

558
00:29:02,293 --> 00:29:02,973
Speaker 5: This is just silly.

559
00:29:03,773 --> 00:29:05,453
Speaker 2: It's a lot of words to build up your profile

560
00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:09,453
Speaker 2: as well, wasn't it, Darryl? You know, as you mentioned, yeah, exactly,

561
00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:11,013
Speaker 2: And so have you gone?

562
00:29:11,293 --> 00:29:11,933
Speaker 3: Have you gone ouse?

563
00:29:11,973 --> 00:29:12,173
Speaker 2: Where?

564
00:29:12,293 --> 00:29:12,533
Speaker 5: Darryl?

565
00:29:14,013 --> 00:29:18,333
Speaker 8: I now sell on my via a website called artwork City,

566
00:29:19,293 --> 00:29:25,693
Speaker 8: which is a New Zealand based only website.

567
00:29:26,853 --> 00:29:29,613
Speaker 5: We'll start up just over a year and a half ago,

568
00:29:29,693 --> 00:29:30,133
Speaker 5: I believe.

569
00:29:30,293 --> 00:29:32,853
Speaker 3: Okay, yea, I'm looking at now what's what's do you

570
00:29:32,933 --> 00:29:39,653
Speaker 3: mind giving your name so I can peruse your works, Darryl, Well,

571
00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:50,373
Speaker 3: Darryl's many of them, Okay, come on artwork City trying there.

572
00:29:50,293 --> 00:29:52,333
Speaker 2: Might be a few on there actually, so it's taken

573
00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,253
Speaker 2: a wee while to load, So maybe people are listening

574
00:29:54,333 --> 00:29:56,093
Speaker 2: Daryl and they're trying to find some of your artwork.

575
00:29:56,173 --> 00:29:58,493
Speaker 2: But I mean that's that is nice to hear that

576
00:29:58,573 --> 00:30:02,253
Speaker 2: it's a key we based website and you know, I

577
00:30:02,253 --> 00:30:04,333
Speaker 2: imagine their fees or a hell of a lot better.

578
00:30:04,613 --> 00:30:06,573
Speaker 2: And then if something goes wrong with customer service, is

579
00:30:06,613 --> 00:30:06,973
Speaker 2: there for you.

580
00:30:09,013 --> 00:30:13,333
Speaker 8: Well, certainly from the perspective of it being a local site,

581
00:30:13,453 --> 00:30:14,653
Speaker 8: you know that you're going to be able to get

582
00:30:14,693 --> 00:30:15,893
Speaker 8: hold of someone when you need to.

583
00:30:16,173 --> 00:30:18,133
Speaker 3: But you think that have trade me, Darryl. I mean

584
00:30:18,213 --> 00:30:21,373
Speaker 3: that's one of the advantages of trade me over eBay.

585
00:30:21,573 --> 00:30:24,013
Speaker 3: You know, it came in and it was the local eBay,

586
00:30:24,253 --> 00:30:26,613
Speaker 3: So it seems crazy that you couldn't get hold of

587
00:30:26,853 --> 00:30:29,253
Speaker 3: someone to sort out your problem in Wellington.

588
00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:31,493
Speaker 8: Well, I get hold of someone to sort out the problem.

589
00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:34,933
Speaker 8: The problem was that they couldn't sort out the underlying issue,

590
00:30:34,973 --> 00:30:36,973
Speaker 8: which was the security.

591
00:30:36,493 --> 00:30:36,973
Speaker 5: Of the site.

592
00:30:38,653 --> 00:30:38,853
Speaker 9: Yeah.

593
00:30:38,973 --> 00:30:41,693
Speaker 2: Frustrating, Darryl, and I can see why you've gone elsewhere,

594
00:30:41,853 --> 00:30:44,253
Speaker 2: But thanks very much for giving us a buzz, and

595
00:30:44,613 --> 00:30:46,853
Speaker 2: that website's stall loading, so we will check out your

596
00:30:47,093 --> 00:30:47,693
Speaker 2: work eventually.

597
00:30:47,773 --> 00:30:49,893
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure if it's artwork Cety's fault or

598
00:30:50,253 --> 00:30:54,413
Speaker 3: zidme's internet power at fault highly likely. The second part

599
00:30:54,613 --> 00:30:56,853
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, I mean I'll try and find someone at

600
00:30:56,893 --> 00:30:59,213
Speaker 3: the zid me call center orhy my internet's.

601
00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:01,253
Speaker 2: Not working, Darryl, thanks very much for giving us a

602
00:31:01,253 --> 00:31:02,093
Speaker 2: buzz mate, all the best.

603
00:31:02,093 --> 00:31:02,133
Speaker 13: No.

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00:31:02,253 --> 00:31:04,093
Speaker 2: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've gone

605
00:31:04,133 --> 00:31:06,853
Speaker 2: off trade me, why and where are you selling your goods?

606
00:31:07,053 --> 00:31:09,373
Speaker 2: And what needs to change if you had to go

607
00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:10,773
Speaker 2: back to trade me? Love to hear from you. Oh

608
00:31:10,773 --> 00:31:13,493
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighteen eighty is that number? Sixteen to two?

609
00:31:15,453 --> 00:31:19,893
Speaker 1: Is this someone your home of afternoon talk? Mad Heathen

610
00:31:20,013 --> 00:31:23,653
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons call? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

611
00:31:23,893 --> 00:31:24,293
Speaker 1: us talk.

612
00:31:24,413 --> 00:31:27,213
Speaker 2: They'd be for a good afternoon thirteen two two, and

613
00:31:27,253 --> 00:31:30,373
Speaker 2: we're talking about trade Me. It's had a tough year financially,

614
00:31:30,493 --> 00:31:33,333
Speaker 2: revenue is down. So if you've left trade me, why,

615
00:31:33,773 --> 00:31:36,413
Speaker 2: what are you using insteads? And what needs to change

616
00:31:36,453 --> 00:31:37,853
Speaker 2: for you to go back to them? Oh eight hundred

617
00:31:37,893 --> 00:31:42,213
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number? Michael? A couple of

618
00:31:42,253 --> 00:31:43,013
Speaker 2: teps first.

619
00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:45,693
Speaker 3: Probably listening that costs one thy. December twenty three is

620
00:31:45,733 --> 00:31:48,693
Speaker 3: now going to cost seventeen hundred and twenty six. It

621
00:31:48,733 --> 00:31:52,693
Speaker 3: would be greater for company, our company. Ditch them, Lynda,

622
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,813
Speaker 3: my wife has a trade me business since twenty ten.

623
00:31:55,853 --> 00:31:58,053
Speaker 3: She's closing it down due to the ridiculous increases in

624
00:31:58,093 --> 00:32:02,493
Speaker 3: trade me fees. I'm sure she will reconsider with competition coming.

625
00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:07,533
Speaker 3: That's from Joe Michael. Welcome to the show, Hi, guys.

626
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Speaker 15: I can best describe how I see the two options

627
00:32:13,413 --> 00:32:17,213
Speaker 15: that are there. Trade me is probably what you would call, say,

628
00:32:18,013 --> 00:32:22,053
Speaker 15: a licensed trader of the license building all the bells

629
00:32:22,053 --> 00:32:27,893
Speaker 15: and whistles, where marketplace is like the unlicensed or illegal trader.

630
00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:33,453
Speaker 15: That's how I see it, and unfortunately they're both playing

631
00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:38,053
Speaker 15: to the same audience, the same buyers, the same sellers. Yes,

632
00:32:38,253 --> 00:32:43,093
Speaker 15: and trade me. I think if progressively just gone let's

633
00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:45,973
Speaker 15: clip a bit more, let's clip a bit more, and

634
00:32:46,093 --> 00:32:48,293
Speaker 15: it's got to a stage where hey, we're all being

635
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:51,093
Speaker 15: clipped no matter what we're buying, and they've gone over

636
00:32:51,213 --> 00:32:54,333
Speaker 15: the top. But in the meantime, you used to have

637
00:32:54,413 --> 00:32:58,173
Speaker 15: a reasonable communication line. If you had an issue, you

638
00:32:58,213 --> 00:33:00,133
Speaker 15: could actually ring up and talk to the real person.

639
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:03,493
Speaker 15: That's gone by the wind. And I think a lot

640
00:33:03,573 --> 00:33:06,213
Speaker 15: of the let's say, the people who are not so

641
00:33:06,613 --> 00:33:11,013
Speaker 15: computer literate have the so I did that. Hey, marketplace

642
00:33:11,093 --> 00:33:15,373
Speaker 15: is a little bit harder to circ navigate, but let's

643
00:33:15,413 --> 00:33:16,933
Speaker 15: give it a go. And a lot of people have

644
00:33:17,093 --> 00:33:20,773
Speaker 15: and I would be one of them. To last thirty

645
00:33:20,813 --> 00:33:23,533
Speaker 15: items I've sold, they've all gone through marketplace and.

646
00:33:23,693 --> 00:33:25,933
Speaker 2: No issues there. It all went pretty smoothly.

647
00:33:27,213 --> 00:33:30,373
Speaker 15: I had one that I was a little bit sort

648
00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:32,613
Speaker 15: of dubious about, might have been a bit of a scam,

649
00:33:33,453 --> 00:33:38,053
Speaker 15: but I had contard to control where I didn't identify

650
00:33:38,173 --> 00:33:40,493
Speaker 15: the full address until they were outside of my building,

651
00:33:42,293 --> 00:33:44,093
Speaker 15: and that way I was to verify who they were.

652
00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:46,653
Speaker 15: I can see who they were, and I was comfortable.

653
00:33:47,173 --> 00:33:47,333
Speaker 5: Right.

654
00:33:47,573 --> 00:33:50,093
Speaker 3: I'm just sorry because I've missed a little bit there.

655
00:33:50,133 --> 00:33:53,893
Speaker 3: What are you selling, Michael, Oh, just.

656
00:33:54,093 --> 00:33:58,373
Speaker 15: General commodities that come from around. You know, I've decluttered

657
00:33:59,533 --> 00:34:02,653
Speaker 15: over the last two years, and you know, when you

658
00:34:02,693 --> 00:34:04,213
Speaker 15: get to eighty years of age, you've got a lot

659
00:34:04,253 --> 00:34:05,173
Speaker 15: of decluttering today.

660
00:34:05,533 --> 00:34:08,652
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, and a lot of people, you know,

661
00:34:08,933 --> 00:34:10,773
Speaker 3: feel like they need to declutter, and a lot of

662
00:34:10,773 --> 00:34:13,253
Speaker 3: people declutter into the skip rather than going through the

663
00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:18,172
Speaker 3: business of you know, selling it online. So it's still

664
00:34:18,213 --> 00:34:19,173
Speaker 3: worth it for you to do that.

665
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:28,293
Speaker 15: Yeah, I find it relatively easy to operate both sites,

666
00:34:28,853 --> 00:34:33,853
Speaker 15: but the marketplace one doesn't make it easy to get

667
00:34:33,893 --> 00:34:36,093
Speaker 15: a good description. You've got to do a lot more searching,

668
00:34:36,173 --> 00:34:38,772
Speaker 15: where trade me is probably a little bit more sophisticated,

669
00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:41,813
Speaker 15: and you know you don't might pay a bit for that,

670
00:34:42,053 --> 00:34:45,693
Speaker 15: But when it starts to get ridiculous, like you're selling

671
00:34:46,093 --> 00:34:48,333
Speaker 15: something for a thousand bucks and somebody wants a hundred

672
00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:50,893
Speaker 15: dollars discount, and you give a hundred dollars discount, then

673
00:34:50,933 --> 00:34:52,933
Speaker 15: you find you get another penalty of another fifty bucks

674
00:34:52,973 --> 00:34:55,173
Speaker 15: that you've got to pay them over and above the

675
00:34:55,573 --> 00:34:57,133
Speaker 15: thirty hundred dollars you've already paid.

676
00:34:57,493 --> 00:35:00,533
Speaker 2: I wonder if the ouction system when it first started

677
00:35:00,573 --> 00:35:03,453
Speaker 2: up trade me work to treat now, that would do

678
00:35:03,573 --> 00:35:05,453
Speaker 2: my head. And whill you get people who try and

679
00:35:05,533 --> 00:35:07,493
Speaker 2: game the system a little bit that they start, you know,

680
00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:10,213
Speaker 2: putting a b and then they decide it's gone too far.

681
00:35:10,253 --> 00:35:11,573
Speaker 2: I'm just going to bail out, and you have to

682
00:35:11,613 --> 00:35:14,413
Speaker 2: start the whole process again. Whereas the marketplace it might

683
00:35:14,533 --> 00:35:16,973
Speaker 2: be punishing and a whole lot of edmund but just

684
00:35:17,093 --> 00:35:19,573
Speaker 2: saying here's my offer, what are you got, I'll give

685
00:35:19,613 --> 00:35:22,133
Speaker 2: you forty four it yep, I'm okay with forty nice

686
00:35:22,173 --> 00:35:24,533
Speaker 2: and easy. It's a simple thing. Whereas the auction thing,

687
00:35:24,573 --> 00:35:26,053
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just seems like a lot of

688
00:35:26,053 --> 00:35:26,893
Speaker 2: faffing about.

689
00:35:26,773 --> 00:35:28,373
Speaker 3: You thanking for you. Call Michael. Do you know how

690
00:35:28,413 --> 00:35:32,053
Speaker 3: I declutter? Tyler? You tell me I give stuff to you?

691
00:35:32,293 --> 00:35:32,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

692
00:35:32,933 --> 00:35:32,973
Speaker 16: So.

693
00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:36,373
Speaker 3: I found a beautiful canvas tenth yep. I no longer

694
00:35:36,493 --> 00:35:38,853
Speaker 3: wanted anymore because I've got my new inflatable tent.

695
00:35:39,093 --> 00:35:39,533
Speaker 5: What do I do?

696
00:35:39,613 --> 00:35:40,732
Speaker 3: I go, Tyler, do you want a tint?

697
00:35:40,853 --> 00:35:41,053
Speaker 1: Yeah?

698
00:35:41,213 --> 00:35:43,373
Speaker 3: Yes, I've got a coffee machine. Because I get a

699
00:35:43,413 --> 00:35:45,292
Speaker 3: new coffee machine, I want a declutter. I'm not missing

700
00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:46,373
Speaker 3: around with these marketplaces.

701
00:35:46,413 --> 00:35:47,093
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

702
00:35:47,213 --> 00:35:47,853
Speaker 3: I just give it to you.

703
00:35:48,053 --> 00:35:49,973
Speaker 2: It is a one word, and that's the economy working

704
00:35:50,013 --> 00:35:53,172
Speaker 2: at its best. Coffee machine, fees, canvas tears. I mean,

705
00:35:53,173 --> 00:35:55,533
Speaker 2: I'm making huge losses on each one of these. You

706
00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:58,173
Speaker 2: certainly are. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

707
00:35:58,253 --> 00:36:00,732
Speaker 2: the number to call back very shortly. It is nine

708
00:36:00,813 --> 00:36:01,133
Speaker 2: to two.

709
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:05,493
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

710
00:36:05,613 --> 00:36:09,853
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

711
00:36:09,413 --> 00:36:12,973
Speaker 2: News six minutes to two. If you've did trade me,

712
00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:14,853
Speaker 2: why I love to hear from you. One hundred and

713
00:36:14,853 --> 00:36:15,373
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty.

714
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:19,293
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to load artworkcity dot Com to look

715
00:36:19,373 --> 00:36:22,013
Speaker 3: up Daryl's art. Oh, it's just over eye we're in.

716
00:36:22,253 --> 00:36:24,013
Speaker 3: It's been no, I've still got I've got some kind

717
00:36:24,013 --> 00:36:24,413
Speaker 3: of here.

718
00:36:24,293 --> 00:36:25,733
Speaker 2: We go, here we go. So alright, see if I

719
00:36:25,733 --> 00:36:27,013
Speaker 2: can do a search function here?

720
00:36:27,893 --> 00:36:29,853
Speaker 3: Yep, No, here we go. I've got Artwork City, so

721
00:36:30,053 --> 00:36:34,093
Speaker 3: I'll look up Daryl James. Welcome to the show. Your

722
00:36:34,133 --> 00:36:35,093
Speaker 3: thoughts on trade me?

723
00:36:35,973 --> 00:36:38,813
Speaker 17: You know, guys, first of all, congratulations on many a

724
00:36:38,853 --> 00:36:45,293
Speaker 17: good show, bless you. Yeah, hey, yep, trade me. Okay,

725
00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:48,933
Speaker 17: they're currently at seven point nine percent commission. They've been

726
00:36:49,013 --> 00:36:52,933
Speaker 17: there at that rate for well quite a few years there,

727
00:36:53,013 --> 00:36:56,013
Speaker 17: so they'll bump it up. But you know, one of

728
00:36:56,053 --> 00:36:59,373
Speaker 17: the biggest issues a guy just before me, or just

729
00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:04,013
Speaker 17: before him, he mentioned you know, sometimes things start moving

730
00:37:04,133 --> 00:37:09,133
Speaker 17: really fast and you don't have time to mark around

731
00:37:09,213 --> 00:37:12,813
Speaker 17: with robots before you even get onto an email platform,

732
00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:17,133
Speaker 17: before you even get into a human being. And some

733
00:37:17,373 --> 00:37:20,573
Speaker 17: years back with trade me, you know you could just

734
00:37:20,733 --> 00:37:26,933
Speaker 17: ring up and you'd be dealing with call send people

735
00:37:27,053 --> 00:37:30,533
Speaker 17: who were very efficient. You'd be dealing with them immediately,

736
00:37:30,733 --> 00:37:36,493
Speaker 17: and they were great problem solvers. And yeah, the whole

737
00:37:36,573 --> 00:37:39,613
Speaker 17: service has just become like a lot of other services

738
00:37:40,253 --> 00:37:43,893
Speaker 17: have just become far less human and far more robotic.

739
00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:50,253
Speaker 17: And I'm not a prolific user of trade me, but

740
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:54,333
Speaker 17: I have worked hard at getting one hundred percent rating

741
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,173
Speaker 17: that I've had all the years I've been using it,

742
00:37:58,333 --> 00:38:01,533
Speaker 17: And that'd be really annoyed. Like one or two guys

743
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:05,453
Speaker 17: back who you know you've got his account hacked and

744
00:38:07,373 --> 00:38:10,293
Speaker 17: you know, I think he lost. I think he described

745
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,533
Speaker 17: he lost as raising and had to sort of re

746
00:38:12,693 --> 00:38:14,573
Speaker 17: establish himself twice.

747
00:38:15,213 --> 00:38:18,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, nothing tears you help teas you hear out

748
00:38:18,493 --> 00:38:20,413
Speaker 2: more than if you've got a problem with the service

749
00:38:20,453 --> 00:38:22,173
Speaker 2: that you pay good money for and all you can

750
00:38:22,293 --> 00:38:25,533
Speaker 2: chat to is some idiotic AI bot who solves nothing.

751
00:38:25,813 --> 00:38:32,613
Speaker 17: I can see you tyl you want service. And that's

752
00:38:32,653 --> 00:38:35,453
Speaker 17: the way I was going, sort of robotic and AI

753
00:38:35,733 --> 00:38:38,613
Speaker 17: and it's not as I've trade me short of a buck.

754
00:38:39,693 --> 00:38:41,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, think of you call James. It is very

755
00:38:41,893 --> 00:38:44,413
Speaker 3: interesting because it was an online service that got rid

756
00:38:44,453 --> 00:38:47,613
Speaker 3: of a lot of the admin from the likes of

757
00:38:47,653 --> 00:38:50,213
Speaker 3: Trade and Exchange, and then there's time's gone on. It

758
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,173
Speaker 3: is its digitalness is its.

759
00:38:53,053 --> 00:38:55,652
Speaker 2: Weakness according to James, Yeah, full circle right, We're going

760
00:38:55,693 --> 00:38:56,933
Speaker 2: to carry this on for a little bit. Oh one

761
00:38:57,053 --> 00:38:59,333
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

762
00:38:59,453 --> 00:39:01,772
Speaker 2: Have you gone off trade me? If you have? Why?

763
00:39:01,933 --> 00:39:04,413
Speaker 2: And what needs to change? And if you're not using

764
00:39:04,453 --> 00:39:06,093
Speaker 2: trade me, what are you using? Love to hear from you.

765
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,093
Speaker 2: News is next.

766
00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:13,013
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

767
00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:15,253
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks. It'd be.

768
00:39:17,053 --> 00:39:21,172
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. Hi, it is seven pass too. Coming

769
00:39:21,253 --> 00:39:22,933
Speaker 2: up very soon, we are going to carry on out

770
00:39:22,933 --> 00:39:24,973
Speaker 2: our conversation about trade me. But coming up in about

771
00:39:25,013 --> 00:39:27,533
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, we're going to have Brad Olson on the line,

772
00:39:27,653 --> 00:39:31,093
Speaker 2: CEO of Informetrics and their chief economists as well. The

773
00:39:31,293 --> 00:39:36,013
Speaker 2: half yearly fiscal update has been released, so we'll break

774
00:39:36,093 --> 00:39:38,373
Speaker 2: that down with Brad and open up the phone lines.

775
00:39:38,733 --> 00:39:41,333
Speaker 2: That comes through in about fifteen minutes. But in the meantime,

776
00:39:41,413 --> 00:39:42,933
Speaker 2: back to our conversation about trade me.

777
00:39:43,133 --> 00:39:45,373
Speaker 3: Tyler, can I just interrupt you there please? Friend? Yes,

778
00:39:45,893 --> 00:39:48,373
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say at three point thirty, we

779
00:39:48,453 --> 00:39:53,973
Speaker 3: will be talking to high jump olympian Hamish Cur how

780
00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:58,533
Speaker 3: Good as part of our kick Ass No Catch Christmas

781
00:39:58,573 --> 00:39:59,973
Speaker 3: catch ups with kick Ass kiw weis.

782
00:40:00,053 --> 00:40:05,133
Speaker 4: Bar Rump a Pump the Christmas catch up bar Rupper

783
00:40:05,213 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 4: Bump bum with kick as KUEI is.

784
00:40:09,173 --> 00:40:12,813
Speaker 3: Rumper bump bum bumpum bum bum. On News Talk said

785
00:40:13,213 --> 00:40:14,413
Speaker 3: be with.

786
00:40:14,453 --> 00:40:17,253
Speaker 2: An Tyler, is that available on Spotify yet? We're going

787
00:40:17,293 --> 00:40:18,493
Speaker 2: to get that loaded up so if you want to

788
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:22,573
Speaker 2: play that around the Christmas table, that's a beautiful, beautiful

789
00:40:22,613 --> 00:40:22,893
Speaker 2: we sting.

790
00:40:23,093 --> 00:40:25,893
Speaker 3: Someone asked me if I was when we played that before,

791
00:40:25,893 --> 00:40:28,133
Speaker 3: whether I got was getting tasered. I'm not seeing that.

792
00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:29,093
Speaker 3: I thought that was cruel.

793
00:40:29,293 --> 00:40:29,893
Speaker 2: That is cruel.

794
00:40:30,173 --> 00:40:33,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, exp we were killing a cat in a studio.

795
00:40:34,613 --> 00:40:39,533
Speaker 3: I think I'm you know, I'm I'm challenging beverages the

796
00:40:39,813 --> 00:40:41,212
Speaker 3: ZIB's top thing.

797
00:40:41,413 --> 00:40:44,013
Speaker 2: It was pretty good and minimal production involved in that.

798
00:40:44,613 --> 00:40:47,733
Speaker 2: But that is after three point thirty. Hamish Cur is

799
00:40:47,813 --> 00:40:49,973
Speaker 2: part of our kick Ass keys that we're catching up

800
00:40:49,973 --> 00:40:51,333
Speaker 2: with over Christmas. Looking forward to that.

801
00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:54,453
Speaker 3: Sorry, Tyler, I rudely interrupted you. You were saying we

802
00:40:54,533 --> 00:40:56,333
Speaker 3: were continuing our chat about trade.

803
00:40:56,413 --> 00:40:56,453
Speaker 14: Me.

804
00:40:56,773 --> 00:40:59,533
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are so trade me. It has had a

805
00:40:59,573 --> 00:41:01,453
Speaker 2: difficult year when it comes to the finances. This is

806
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:04,093
Speaker 2: on the online marketplace. Other parts of the business done okay,

807
00:41:04,293 --> 00:41:07,053
Speaker 2: but the marketplace is really suffered. They've lost or gone

808
00:41:07,093 --> 00:41:09,732
Speaker 2: down in terms of revenue just over ten million dollars,

809
00:41:09,773 --> 00:41:13,293
Speaker 2: which indicates a lot less kiwis are using the platform. So,

810
00:41:13,373 --> 00:41:14,933
Speaker 2: if that is you love to hear from you on Oh,

811
00:41:14,933 --> 00:41:17,293
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, why have you gone

812
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:18,893
Speaker 2: off trade me? Is it the fees? Is at the

813
00:41:18,973 --> 00:41:21,933
Speaker 2: lack of customer service? Is it the number of scammers

814
00:41:22,053 --> 00:41:24,413
Speaker 2: or infested with drop shippers? Love to hear your thoughts

815
00:41:24,453 --> 00:41:25,693
Speaker 2: nineteen nine two text.

816
00:41:25,853 --> 00:41:30,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're you know, they're classified business. Their motors, property

817
00:41:30,893 --> 00:41:35,732
Speaker 3: jobs have all shown a lot of strength recently. It's

818
00:41:35,893 --> 00:41:39,613
Speaker 3: just the ouction part. As an agent real estate, we

819
00:41:39,693 --> 00:41:44,173
Speaker 3: don't recommend trade me anymore. They have become cost inhibitive

820
00:41:44,333 --> 00:41:46,533
Speaker 3: and there are many other options. People looking for property

821
00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:50,413
Speaker 3: generally look around and trade me isn't a good deal?

822
00:41:51,253 --> 00:41:54,413
Speaker 2: Good text interesting Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

823
00:41:54,453 --> 00:41:54,933
Speaker 2: set number.

824
00:41:55,133 --> 00:41:57,573
Speaker 3: It's their fees. They've hiked them up regularly over the

825
00:41:57,693 --> 00:41:59,732
Speaker 3: years to the point where they are basically a rip offs,

826
00:41:59,733 --> 00:42:03,493
Speaker 3: as Mike. Unfortunately, the people running it have the mentality

827
00:42:03,573 --> 00:42:05,652
Speaker 3: that they will make more money by putting fees up,

828
00:42:05,733 --> 00:42:08,013
Speaker 3: but that causes people to turn away two cheaper options,

829
00:42:08,053 --> 00:42:10,133
Speaker 3: So it's lose lose if they drop their prices to

830
00:42:10,173 --> 00:42:16,053
Speaker 3: reasonable levels people return says Mike Elaine. Welcome to the show.

831
00:42:17,013 --> 00:42:18,533
Speaker 8: Hello very much.

832
00:42:19,613 --> 00:42:22,693
Speaker 3: You are talking to both Matt and Tyler.

833
00:42:23,693 --> 00:42:23,973
Speaker 11: Hello.

834
00:42:24,373 --> 00:42:24,613
Speaker 2: Hello.

835
00:42:25,013 --> 00:42:26,773
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.

836
00:42:28,493 --> 00:42:31,253
Speaker 3: You know tens and tens and tens of thousands of

837
00:42:31,293 --> 00:42:33,613
Speaker 3: people across this beautiful country of ours alone.

838
00:42:33,773 --> 00:42:38,653
Speaker 11: Well, I won't think about that. I just ran because

839
00:42:38,693 --> 00:42:43,973
Speaker 11: I'd had experience with both Marketplace and trade me and

840
00:42:44,093 --> 00:42:47,732
Speaker 11: trade Me. I don't bother with now because well yeah,

841
00:42:48,253 --> 00:42:51,013
Speaker 11: because basically they charge it for it, don't they. They

842
00:42:51,093 --> 00:42:54,933
Speaker 11: do marketplaces free. And I've had great success on Marketplace.

843
00:42:55,213 --> 00:42:57,533
Speaker 2: You haven't been burnt yere, Elaine, because there's you know,

844
00:42:57,613 --> 00:42:59,812
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stories about Marketplace being the world West.

845
00:43:01,053 --> 00:43:04,493
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I recognized that once once, and I thought

846
00:43:04,573 --> 00:43:07,493
Speaker 11: this is a scam. It was a guy in christ

847
00:43:07,613 --> 00:43:10,933
Speaker 11: Chitch trying to but by a design address off of.

848
00:43:11,053 --> 00:43:14,773
Speaker 2: Me right, okay, interesting, and he wanted.

849
00:43:14,493 --> 00:43:17,692
Speaker 11: To go through the process of He did it through

850
00:43:17,773 --> 00:43:20,693
Speaker 11: New Zealand, Post and he went in and paid for

851
00:43:20,813 --> 00:43:24,413
Speaker 11: it through a post a New Zealand Post account or something.

852
00:43:24,853 --> 00:43:28,053
Speaker 11: It was very complicated. I'd never heard about it, and

853
00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:30,013
Speaker 11: I just said to him, you sound like a scam.

854
00:43:30,173 --> 00:43:33,893
Speaker 11: I'm not going to proceed with this, and he never

855
00:43:34,093 --> 00:43:36,093
Speaker 11: he never got back to me, so I guess it

856
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 11: was yeah.

857
00:43:37,653 --> 00:43:39,653
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe he was just massively offended that you

858
00:43:39,733 --> 00:43:41,693
Speaker 3: said you sound like a scam and he ran for

859
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:45,973
Speaker 3: the hills. Was that a designer? Was that a design

860
00:43:46,013 --> 00:43:48,573
Speaker 3: address you had made yourself or a design address that you.

861
00:43:51,013 --> 00:43:53,053
Speaker 11: No, it was an Anna Street and dress that I'd

862
00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:56,613
Speaker 11: never worn, and I just felt, well, it's not doing

863
00:43:56,653 --> 00:43:58,093
Speaker 11: any good hanging in my wardrobe.

864
00:43:58,093 --> 00:43:58,573
Speaker 17: I'll sell it.

865
00:43:58,813 --> 00:44:00,853
Speaker 3: Did you manage to shift Did you manage to shift

866
00:44:00,893 --> 00:44:01,973
Speaker 3: it a lane to someone else?

867
00:44:02,773 --> 00:44:02,813
Speaker 7: No?

868
00:44:03,013 --> 00:44:06,253
Speaker 11: I haven't yet. It's still on Marketplace.

869
00:44:06,493 --> 00:44:07,533
Speaker 3: What size are you, tyler?

870
00:44:08,453 --> 00:44:11,653
Speaker 2: I'd be a generous twelve, maybe even fourteen.

871
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 8: What do you want for it?

872
00:44:13,373 --> 00:44:13,652
Speaker 2: A lane?

873
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:19,773
Speaker 3: That's okay, Well, let's take marketplace and trade me out

874
00:44:19,773 --> 00:44:21,373
Speaker 3: of the situation and we'll just get you guys to

875
00:44:21,413 --> 00:44:22,253
Speaker 3: do a deal offline.

876
00:44:22,373 --> 00:44:24,413
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, Elaine, you just stay right there. I'll talk

877
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:26,212
Speaker 2: you in the air break. Oh wait, one hundred eighty

878
00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:28,653
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call if you've stopped

879
00:44:28,693 --> 00:44:31,172
Speaker 2: using trade Me. Love to hear from you about why

880
00:44:31,613 --> 00:44:33,533
Speaker 2: and what they need to do to change their ways,

881
00:44:33,693 --> 00:44:36,213
Speaker 2: or have you gone full noise into Facebook marketplace like

882
00:44:36,293 --> 00:44:36,613
Speaker 2: a lane?

883
00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:39,813
Speaker 3: Alan says, the new name I gave trade me tricked me.

884
00:44:39,973 --> 00:44:43,493
Speaker 3: Impossible to get refunds. Another note, how's the silver trades going?

885
00:44:44,053 --> 00:44:47,093
Speaker 3: Did you get to MKR on the trader guy that

886
00:44:47,253 --> 00:44:48,652
Speaker 3: missed you a couple of months ago?

887
00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:51,893
Speaker 2: Interesting? I don't know what that refers to.

888
00:44:52,653 --> 00:44:54,053
Speaker 3: I'm in the dark on that one. Yeah, we have

889
00:44:54,133 --> 00:44:57,413
Speaker 3: to take further into that. Hi, guys trade me a thieve? Okay,

890
00:44:58,013 --> 00:44:59,973
Speaker 3: we have to use them for real estate. They have

891
00:45:00,213 --> 00:45:03,173
Speaker 3: so called partnership plan for a cheaper rate. Best planum

892
00:45:03,253 --> 00:45:07,493
Speaker 3: package is eighteen ninety nine on the partnership plan in auckland'

893
00:45:07,533 --> 00:45:09,652
Speaker 3: z owe one and as eight hundred and ninety nine

894
00:45:09,693 --> 00:45:11,973
Speaker 3: if n the cargo's own four. I can't see the

895
00:45:12,013 --> 00:45:15,453
Speaker 3: difference for the difference in pricing as it's all internet based.

896
00:45:15,493 --> 00:45:18,333
Speaker 3: It's not like there is freight or storage charge involved.

897
00:45:18,693 --> 00:45:21,493
Speaker 3: It also has a yearly increased no matter what the

898
00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:23,212
Speaker 3: market is doing.

899
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:24,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is dirty.

900
00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:29,293
Speaker 3: One second, I prefer one roof for advertising half the

901
00:45:29,373 --> 00:45:31,493
Speaker 3: rate of TM and prices have not increased in the

902
00:45:31,573 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 3: past five years, and they say they will hold the

903
00:45:33,893 --> 00:45:36,933
Speaker 3: price for the next five years. I'd rather support them. Regards,

904
00:45:37,053 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 3: Paul good on your Paul Good on your Paul. Oh

905
00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:41,493
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

906
00:45:41,533 --> 00:45:42,013
Speaker 3: to call?

907
00:45:42,213 --> 00:45:44,413
Speaker 2: It is thirteen past two? Bag very surely?

908
00:45:45,133 --> 00:45:49,133
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk mad he than Tyler

909
00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:52,893
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News

910
00:45:52,973 --> 00:45:53,652
Speaker 1: Talk said, be.

911
00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:57,773
Speaker 2: Sixteen past two. Have you gone off? Trade me if

912
00:45:57,813 --> 00:45:59,133
Speaker 2: you have love to hear from you? Oh e one

913
00:45:59,173 --> 00:46:00,013
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

914
00:46:00,173 --> 00:46:03,293
Speaker 3: The lady talking about the paying it through NZ posts

915
00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:05,133
Speaker 3: that was a laying it is a scam. Her raider

916
00:46:05,213 --> 00:46:06,893
Speaker 3: was spot on. A friend of mine had to ring

917
00:46:06,973 --> 00:46:09,893
Speaker 3: the bank thankfully just in time.

918
00:46:10,173 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 2: Smart lady Elaine.

919
00:46:11,413 --> 00:46:13,373
Speaker 3: If I'm buying, I mostly use trade me as I

920
00:46:13,413 --> 00:46:16,333
Speaker 3: find it more trustworthy, says this text. If I'm selling,

921
00:46:16,493 --> 00:46:19,533
Speaker 3: I mostly marketplace, so no fees. But I only ever

922
00:46:19,653 --> 00:46:22,293
Speaker 3: use cash when I sell a marketplace and never give

923
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:27,533
Speaker 3: my home address. Smart clever John, trade me? Why do

924
00:46:27,613 --> 00:46:29,292
Speaker 3: you think it's struggling a little bit at the moment.

925
00:46:30,973 --> 00:46:34,772
Speaker 18: Yes, hello, Yes, well I think the fees are too high.

926
00:46:35,093 --> 00:46:38,613
Speaker 18: I sell coins and stamps and banknotes on trade me

927
00:46:38,693 --> 00:46:42,692
Speaker 18: so I'm in the antique category, which is eleven point

928
00:46:42,853 --> 00:46:49,893
Speaker 18: nine percent. And now also they won't let you you know,

929
00:46:49,973 --> 00:46:52,133
Speaker 18: they're forcing people to pay by ping and sent of

930
00:46:52,173 --> 00:46:56,053
Speaker 18: internet banking. So that's about another two percent.

931
00:46:55,773 --> 00:46:56,293
Speaker 5: On top of that.

932
00:46:57,933 --> 00:46:59,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's no way around ping.

933
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:04,773
Speaker 18: As you say, well, technically you can still do internet banking,

934
00:47:04,813 --> 00:47:07,133
Speaker 18: I think if the powers because they do let you

935
00:47:07,173 --> 00:47:09,333
Speaker 18: pay cash just cassule pain.

936
00:47:09,933 --> 00:47:12,093
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so that's.

937
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:14,493
Speaker 3: That's chased you off. You're not using it anymore? Are

938
00:47:14,533 --> 00:47:16,053
Speaker 3: you still about nine user?

939
00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:18,373
Speaker 18: They rely on it, right, but the fees are just

940
00:47:18,493 --> 00:47:18,973
Speaker 18: so high.

941
00:47:19,373 --> 00:47:19,813
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

942
00:47:19,853 --> 00:47:23,292
Speaker 18: What are you selling John, poins and big notes?

943
00:47:24,293 --> 00:47:24,493
Speaker 9: Yeah?

944
00:47:25,213 --> 00:47:27,253
Speaker 2: So it's effectively a week business for you, John, or

945
00:47:27,253 --> 00:47:28,013
Speaker 2: as a site hustle.

946
00:47:28,213 --> 00:47:29,013
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, well I've got.

947
00:47:29,013 --> 00:47:29,692
Speaker 7: A shop as well.

948
00:47:29,773 --> 00:47:32,533
Speaker 18: But it is definitely a big part about turnover.

949
00:47:32,853 --> 00:47:35,893
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and so would you use marketplace do you think.

950
00:47:36,693 --> 00:47:37,573
Speaker 18: I'm thinking about it?

951
00:47:37,773 --> 00:47:38,013
Speaker 5: Yeah?

952
00:47:38,213 --> 00:47:40,213
Speaker 18: But the thing is with the people who aren't a

953
00:47:40,293 --> 00:47:43,453
Speaker 18: top seller or armed in trade, they only pay seven

954
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:47,333
Speaker 18: point nine percent, and they get a free listing day

955
00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:50,173
Speaker 18: once a month, which would be fantastic for us. We

956
00:47:50,253 --> 00:47:52,413
Speaker 18: could put all our expensive gold coins on that and

957
00:47:52,453 --> 00:47:53,212
Speaker 18: there'd be no fee.

958
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:55,613
Speaker 2: So why I'm just having a look at the fees here, John,

959
00:47:55,653 --> 00:47:58,373
Speaker 2: I can't work it out. So the keysure the personal

960
00:47:58,453 --> 00:48:00,853
Speaker 2: membership is as a flat seven point nine. But then

961
00:48:00,893 --> 00:48:04,333
Speaker 2: they say under the traders the business membership, it's either

962
00:48:04,413 --> 00:48:06,533
Speaker 2: five point nine, seven point nine, nine point nine or

963
00:48:06,573 --> 00:48:07,293
Speaker 2: eleven point nine.

964
00:48:07,853 --> 00:48:10,252
Speaker 18: Yeah, but for those lower ones are just some big

965
00:48:10,333 --> 00:48:14,333
Speaker 18: things like cars, and it's eleven point nine. For antiques.

966
00:48:14,693 --> 00:48:15,373
Speaker 18: What should we come.

967
00:48:15,373 --> 00:48:17,493
Speaker 2: Under it's a lot yeah.

968
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:19,732
Speaker 1: Yeah.

969
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:22,973
Speaker 18: And the other thing too is unlike EBO, they charged

970
00:48:23,053 --> 00:48:26,933
Speaker 18: their fee on the postage the courier fee as well.

971
00:48:27,173 --> 00:48:30,133
Speaker 2: Dirty, get rid of them, John, go to marketplace.

972
00:48:31,693 --> 00:48:35,493
Speaker 3: Wow. So Tyler's jumped out of just going back and

973
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:37,732
Speaker 3: getting it. Was trying to find the truth and listen

974
00:48:37,773 --> 00:48:38,493
Speaker 3: to people's opinions.

975
00:48:38,973 --> 00:48:41,292
Speaker 2: He's on trade me, forget them, forget them. He's done

976
00:48:41,453 --> 00:48:43,533
Speaker 2: treat John well, it's his business for goodness.

977
00:48:43,293 --> 00:48:45,573
Speaker 3: And trade me. If you're listening, you've lost Tyler. You

978
00:48:45,613 --> 00:48:47,413
Speaker 3: don't need to be on trade anymore because I'm just

979
00:48:47,453 --> 00:48:48,732
Speaker 3: giving you everything that I don't want.

980
00:48:48,853 --> 00:48:50,893
Speaker 2: Thank you, yah imy getting a chemistin on trade.

981
00:48:52,213 --> 00:48:54,373
Speaker 3: That's a good point. If I see anything that I

982
00:48:54,453 --> 00:48:55,373
Speaker 3: give you on trade me.

983
00:48:57,533 --> 00:49:01,573
Speaker 2: We held a bay share the proceeds, all right, Jeremy,

984
00:49:01,613 --> 00:49:05,533
Speaker 2: Welcome the show, Jeremy, Yeah, good mate.

985
00:49:07,413 --> 00:49:08,292
Speaker 8: Yeah, I like you, Tyler.

986
00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:10,652
Speaker 19: Trade me lost me a long time ago. I'd rather

987
00:49:10,813 --> 00:49:14,973
Speaker 19: deal with the delinquent morons and Facebook marketplace than pay

988
00:49:15,053 --> 00:49:18,013
Speaker 19: the exorbitant fees worth trade me. It's just as God's.

989
00:49:18,053 --> 00:49:19,573
Speaker 19: The point is just not worth it.

990
00:49:20,013 --> 00:49:20,373
Speaker 11: I love that.

991
00:49:20,413 --> 00:49:23,172
Speaker 3: You've put it. You've put it better than everyone anyone

992
00:49:23,253 --> 00:49:26,373
Speaker 3: has so far. It's either exorbitant fees or delinquent delinquent

993
00:49:26,453 --> 00:49:29,933
Speaker 3: more on, thank your boys, and the balances has gone

994
00:49:29,973 --> 00:49:31,333
Speaker 3: in favor of delinquent morons.

995
00:49:32,693 --> 00:49:33,813
Speaker 5: Yeah, unfortunately.

996
00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:36,893
Speaker 19: So I mean, like I said, there's no fees, right,

997
00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:39,853
Speaker 19: I mean selling an item for ten hundred bucks or

998
00:49:39,893 --> 00:49:42,813
Speaker 19: whatever it is for trade me to take ten of that. Yeah,

999
00:49:42,893 --> 00:49:46,172
Speaker 19: it just it makes absolutely no sense marketplace all the way,

1000
00:49:46,453 --> 00:49:48,373
Speaker 19: which is a real shame because trade me used to be.

1001
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:52,133
Speaker 19: Yeah you sort of key the icon almost like it

1002
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:55,293
Speaker 19: used to be everywhere everyone used to go to go

1003
00:49:55,453 --> 00:49:59,093
Speaker 19: to trade me. I'd rather support and He's business than

1004
00:49:59,213 --> 00:50:02,973
Speaker 19: certainly marketplace or Meta or whatever it is. But I

1005
00:50:03,053 --> 00:50:04,733
Speaker 19: guess at the end of the day, money talks, right,

1006
00:50:04,893 --> 00:50:09,373
Speaker 19: And if you're selling any kind of items, Yeah, the

1007
00:50:09,693 --> 00:50:11,853
Speaker 19: fees are massive, a massive cost.

1008
00:50:13,013 --> 00:50:15,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I suppose the Admind side of things, Jeremy,

1009
00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:17,413
Speaker 2: if you think about the Edmond side of things on

1010
00:50:17,533 --> 00:50:20,053
Speaker 2: trade me, where you're paying almost you know, twelve percent

1011
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:22,493
Speaker 2: of you're poor old John on something that might be

1012
00:50:22,573 --> 00:50:24,613
Speaker 2: only worth forty bucks anyway. And then you look at

1013
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:27,212
Speaker 2: the Edmund side of my Facebook marketplace, which, as you say,

1014
00:50:27,333 --> 00:50:31,133
Speaker 2: can be horrendous dealing with delinquents. But I'd probably take

1015
00:50:31,173 --> 00:50:33,933
Speaker 2: that Edmund over the trade Me Edmond, considering how much

1016
00:50:33,973 --> 00:50:34,373
Speaker 2: it costs you.

1017
00:50:35,733 --> 00:50:37,933
Speaker 19: You know, the other advantage you're dealing directly with the

1018
00:50:38,013 --> 00:50:41,013
Speaker 19: person and it's fired instant chat as well, whereas trade

1019
00:50:41,053 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 19: me it don't done by emails. I don't know about you, guys,

1020
00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:45,493
Speaker 19: I very rarely use emails for any kind of direct

1021
00:50:45,533 --> 00:50:48,853
Speaker 19: comment com I just purchased something yesterday off trade me,

1022
00:50:49,253 --> 00:50:50,693
Speaker 19: and it made me pay for it. There was no

1023
00:50:50,853 --> 00:50:52,853
Speaker 19: option to go cash, so I was like, well, I'm

1024
00:50:53,213 --> 00:50:54,973
Speaker 19: having to pay for this item by hitting it buy

1025
00:50:55,053 --> 00:50:56,573
Speaker 19: Now I have to pay for this item. I don't

1026
00:50:56,613 --> 00:50:58,053
Speaker 19: know that the other person on the other end of

1027
00:50:58,133 --> 00:51:03,653
Speaker 19: this even exists. But so that's a risk from that aspect.

1028
00:51:03,813 --> 00:51:08,173
Speaker 19: But having that direct communication with the potential purchaser or

1029
00:51:08,773 --> 00:51:13,293
Speaker 19: what it's just so much easier from an edminder emails

1030
00:51:13,293 --> 00:51:14,813
Speaker 19: and then having to exchange phone numbers.

1031
00:51:15,533 --> 00:51:18,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Jeremy. So delinquent

1032
00:51:19,053 --> 00:51:22,773
Speaker 3: morons or exorbitant prices, there you go. Trade Me is

1033
00:51:22,813 --> 00:51:25,732
Speaker 3: of course owned by Apex Partners, you know, which brought

1034
00:51:25,773 --> 00:51:29,773
Speaker 3: the company in twenty nineteen. And they're London based firm,

1035
00:51:29,813 --> 00:51:32,573
Speaker 3: aren't they. Yeah, with officers in New York, Hong Kong, Mumbai,

1036
00:51:32,693 --> 00:51:36,653
Speaker 3: Tel Aviv, Munich and Shanghai. So it's trade Me a

1037
00:51:36,693 --> 00:51:37,453
Speaker 3: New Zealand company.

1038
00:51:37,773 --> 00:51:40,252
Speaker 2: Definitely not they're all about that money. They're all about

1039
00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:43,573
Speaker 2: rapping Kiwi's off now, seems like anyway, great discussion, Thank

1040
00:51:43,613 --> 00:51:46,172
Speaker 2: you very much. Coming up after the break, we've got

1041
00:51:46,253 --> 00:51:49,413
Speaker 2: Brad Olsen back on the show, the CEO of Informetrics

1042
00:51:49,453 --> 00:51:52,653
Speaker 2: and Chief Economists. Because the government's books have been opened

1043
00:51:52,693 --> 00:51:56,173
Speaker 2: up for treasuries half year Economic and Fiscal Update, so

1044
00:51:56,253 --> 00:51:58,773
Speaker 2: we'll tell you how we're actually going on the economic

1045
00:51:58,853 --> 00:52:01,213
Speaker 2: front that is coming up next. It is twenty two

1046
00:52:01,213 --> 00:52:01,813
Speaker 2: plus two.

1047
00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:09,732
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1048
00:52:09,813 --> 00:52:11,173
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talks.

1049
00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:14,213
Speaker 2: I'd be afternoon to U. So four carts. The economy

1050
00:52:14,253 --> 00:52:16,853
Speaker 2: will grow slower than hope next year. In today's Treasuries

1051
00:52:16,973 --> 00:52:19,653
Speaker 2: release of its half year Economic and Fiscal update. To

1052
00:52:19,693 --> 00:52:22,173
Speaker 2: go through it, we're joined once again by Brad Olson

1053
00:52:22,213 --> 00:52:25,573
Speaker 2: in for Metric CEO and Chief economiss get a Brads,

1054
00:52:26,333 --> 00:52:30,813
Speaker 2: good afternoon team. So what were the big takeaways? Well,

1055
00:52:30,853 --> 00:52:33,133
Speaker 2: as you've outlined, I mean the economy has had a

1056
00:52:33,173 --> 00:52:35,493
Speaker 2: bit more of a setback this year than where Treasury

1057
00:52:35,613 --> 00:52:39,013
Speaker 2: had expected it to evolve at the budget. So the

1058
00:52:39,173 --> 00:52:42,933
Speaker 2: economic recovery taking longer to get going and from sort

1059
00:52:42,933 --> 00:52:45,533
Speaker 2: of a deeper, darker position. And all of that means

1060
00:52:45,573 --> 00:52:47,853
Speaker 2: that the government is not taking in quite as much

1061
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:50,533
Speaker 2: tax revenue as it probably would have hoped to have

1062
00:52:50,653 --> 00:52:54,533
Speaker 2: seen growth in that and of course expenses are higher.

1063
00:52:54,893 --> 00:52:57,453
Speaker 2: All of that means that now the return to surplus

1064
00:52:57,493 --> 00:53:01,613
Speaker 2: has been pushed out another year. On the government's new

1065
00:53:01,773 --> 00:53:05,613
Speaker 2: preferred measure, the ober gal x figure, it's now taking

1066
00:53:05,693 --> 00:53:08,173
Speaker 2: until twenty thirty for the books to return to surplus,

1067
00:53:08,773 --> 00:53:12,253
Speaker 2: probably twenty thirty one for the old Obergall measure. So

1068
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 2: long story short, we're still having to borrow to spend

1069
00:53:15,493 --> 00:53:17,732
Speaker 2: on day to day items for the next couple of years,

1070
00:53:17,773 --> 00:53:20,772
Speaker 2: and that's sort of hasn't changed. It's also, of course,

1071
00:53:20,853 --> 00:53:24,653
Speaker 2: leaving the debt position in a slightly more uncomfortable position.

1072
00:53:24,733 --> 00:53:26,933
Speaker 2: It's it's sort of peaking and not coming down nearly

1073
00:53:26,973 --> 00:53:31,253
Speaker 2: as quickly as everyone would like. It reaches a peak

1074
00:53:31,413 --> 00:53:34,453
Speaker 2: of forty six point nine percent that's neck core crown

1075
00:53:34,533 --> 00:53:37,333
Speaker 2: debt to GDP in twenty twenty seven to twenty eight,

1076
00:53:37,533 --> 00:53:40,933
Speaker 2: so again higher than was expected in taking longer to

1077
00:53:41,013 --> 00:53:41,613
Speaker 2: come back down.

1078
00:53:42,133 --> 00:53:45,293
Speaker 3: Is that is that a genuinely risky number forty seven

1079
00:53:45,333 --> 00:53:48,133
Speaker 3: percent of GDP? Or is that sort of just a

1080
00:53:48,213 --> 00:53:49,453
Speaker 3: politically awkward number.

1081
00:53:50,933 --> 00:53:52,973
Speaker 2: It's bits of both. I mean, at the moment, it's

1082
00:53:53,133 --> 00:53:56,893
Speaker 2: it's palatable enough, particularly because look, to drive that down

1083
00:53:57,493 --> 00:54:00,333
Speaker 2: considerably and quickly, you'd really have to cut quite a

1084
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:02,533
Speaker 2: lot of spending out to the point where New Zealanders

1085
00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:05,453
Speaker 2: would feel that they would get less services and a

1086
00:54:05,493 --> 00:54:07,853
Speaker 2: whole lot less in the economy all of a sudden

1087
00:54:08,093 --> 00:54:10,253
Speaker 2: but it does mean that. Look, if a big challenge

1088
00:54:10,333 --> 00:54:13,933
Speaker 2: erupted tomorrow, if you had geopolitical issues that turned into war,

1089
00:54:14,013 --> 00:54:17,413
Speaker 2: if you saw another natural disaster, it's that debt headroom

1090
00:54:17,453 --> 00:54:19,413
Speaker 2: that we use to sort of get ourselves out of

1091
00:54:20,573 --> 00:54:23,333
Speaker 2: the picket, the tricky spot that we often find ourselves.

1092
00:54:23,413 --> 00:54:25,772
Speaker 2: And of course the last couple of decades has showing

1093
00:54:25,813 --> 00:54:29,333
Speaker 2: that that happens quite frequently. So look, it's tough at

1094
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:32,772
Speaker 2: the moment because it really does highlight that again, over time,

1095
00:54:32,853 --> 00:54:35,652
Speaker 2: it's taking a lot longer than everyone expected and hoped

1096
00:54:35,733 --> 00:54:38,693
Speaker 2: for for the books to recover. And that's with you know,

1097
00:54:38,893 --> 00:54:41,253
Speaker 2: to be fair, the government still putting a lot more

1098
00:54:41,293 --> 00:54:44,373
Speaker 2: restraint on itself than previous governments who were adding a

1099
00:54:44,413 --> 00:54:47,333
Speaker 2: lot more into the system, a lot harder to take away,

1100
00:54:47,613 --> 00:54:49,853
Speaker 2: very easy to add spending into the system.

1101
00:54:49,933 --> 00:54:54,293
Speaker 3: Though, So for households, you know, barring a horrible event

1102
00:54:54,453 --> 00:54:57,013
Speaker 3: or a war, a war is a horrible event. But

1103
00:54:57,173 --> 00:55:00,253
Speaker 3: barring a horrible event, does the land surplus actually change

1104
00:55:00,493 --> 00:55:05,493
Speaker 3: anything in daily life for Kiwi households, not necessarily.

1105
00:55:06,013 --> 00:55:07,692
Speaker 2: If you're sort of you know, you're sitting out there

1106
00:55:07,853 --> 00:55:10,213
Speaker 2: and going, well, what does it mean to me as

1107
00:55:10,253 --> 00:55:11,813
Speaker 2: a household. You know what am I going to experience

1108
00:55:11,853 --> 00:55:13,933
Speaker 2: in the next three years that might have been different

1109
00:55:13,973 --> 00:55:16,853
Speaker 2: from what I previously thought. Probably nothing. It's more that

1110
00:55:17,053 --> 00:55:19,333
Speaker 2: in the future, and as we continue to go on,

1111
00:55:19,493 --> 00:55:21,213
Speaker 2: we're going to have to make more and more difficult

1112
00:55:21,253 --> 00:55:25,013
Speaker 2: decisions over what we spend on and what gets left out.

1113
00:55:25,653 --> 00:55:27,893
Speaker 2: And I think that's sort of a message that Treasury

1114
00:55:27,973 --> 00:55:30,093
Speaker 2: is trying to convey quite strongly at the moment, is

1115
00:55:30,173 --> 00:55:33,413
Speaker 2: that yes, things are happening. At the moment, spending is happening.

1116
00:55:33,493 --> 00:55:35,613
Speaker 2: But if you know, all of a sudden, you saw

1117
00:55:35,693 --> 00:55:38,293
Speaker 2: those debt figures, you know that weren't coming down, and

1118
00:55:38,453 --> 00:55:41,533
Speaker 2: a big disaster struck, we would have to then borrow

1119
00:55:41,653 --> 00:55:43,813
Speaker 2: considerably to get us out of the hole. And at

1120
00:55:43,853 --> 00:55:45,733
Speaker 2: that point, to be blunt, we're probably going to have

1121
00:55:45,813 --> 00:55:48,293
Speaker 2: to see tax increases to pay for that high level

1122
00:55:48,333 --> 00:55:50,693
Speaker 2: of debt because you can't. I don't know about you,

1123
00:55:50,813 --> 00:55:52,533
Speaker 2: but i've you know, people trying to take out a

1124
00:55:52,573 --> 00:55:54,533
Speaker 2: mortgage when they don't pay off the first mortgage and

1125
00:55:54,573 --> 00:55:56,212
Speaker 2: then just ask for more and more and more when

1126
00:55:56,253 --> 00:55:57,933
Speaker 2: they haven't shown that they can pay off the first

1127
00:55:57,973 --> 00:56:01,053
Speaker 2: one don't get looked that favorably by the bank usually,

1128
00:56:01,133 --> 00:56:04,453
Speaker 2: so that would be the challenge. My biggest issue still

1129
00:56:04,533 --> 00:56:07,613
Speaker 2: looking through the fiscals is how much money is going

1130
00:56:07,653 --> 00:56:09,613
Speaker 2: to a certain sect. Is that really do I don't

1131
00:56:09,653 --> 00:56:11,533
Speaker 2: want to say they're out of control, but man, they

1132
00:56:11,613 --> 00:56:14,373
Speaker 2: make it hard to spend on other parts of the economy.

1133
00:56:14,733 --> 00:56:16,933
Speaker 2: You look over the next sort of five years or so,

1134
00:56:17,213 --> 00:56:19,973
Speaker 2: treasuries forecast today say that New Zealand will spend an

1135
00:56:19,973 --> 00:56:23,453
Speaker 2: extra seven point seven billion dollars on paying for New

1136
00:56:23,533 --> 00:56:27,133
Speaker 2: Zealand superannuation alone. That's more than the increase to the

1137
00:56:27,333 --> 00:56:30,652
Speaker 2: entire health and education budgets combined. So like in terms

1138
00:56:30,693 --> 00:56:32,693
Speaker 2: of decisions that we have to make as a country,

1139
00:56:33,333 --> 00:56:36,373
Speaker 2: government spending will continue to go up based on the

1140
00:56:36,413 --> 00:56:39,252
Speaker 2: current settings unless we change them. And that means that look,

1141
00:56:39,293 --> 00:56:41,293
Speaker 2: at some point in the next in my mind five

1142
00:56:41,373 --> 00:56:43,613
Speaker 2: to ten years, the government's going to have to say, look,

1143
00:56:43,613 --> 00:56:46,853
Speaker 2: we're putting money towards the current settings. So no, there's

1144
00:56:46,893 --> 00:56:49,373
Speaker 2: no more money for this industry, for that industry, there's

1145
00:56:49,413 --> 00:56:51,973
Speaker 2: no more money for health or education because we're putting

1146
00:56:52,013 --> 00:56:54,693
Speaker 2: it on other stuff. That's the sort of decision and

1147
00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:56,413
Speaker 2: the trade offs that we're going to have to make

1148
00:56:56,453 --> 00:56:57,013
Speaker 2: as a country.

1149
00:56:57,653 --> 00:57:00,493
Speaker 3: So whose faults. This is it labor's over spending in

1150
00:57:00,693 --> 00:57:03,693
Speaker 3: COVID times and post COVID times, or is it the

1151
00:57:03,973 --> 00:57:06,133
Speaker 3: government and their settings at the moment.

1152
00:57:07,253 --> 00:57:09,493
Speaker 2: Look, there's all elements to it. I mean, in a

1153
00:57:09,573 --> 00:57:11,453
Speaker 2: sense the blame can go around a lot of places.

1154
00:57:11,933 --> 00:57:16,093
Speaker 2: Of course, having those much higher interest rates and continuing

1155
00:57:16,173 --> 00:57:18,733
Speaker 2: to see quite a level of support into the economy

1156
00:57:18,813 --> 00:57:21,733
Speaker 2: during COVID was necessary at the time, but it also

1157
00:57:21,853 --> 00:57:24,613
Speaker 2: means that we're spending an extremely large amount of money

1158
00:57:24,773 --> 00:57:28,413
Speaker 2: on repaying that debt over the next couple of years.

1159
00:57:28,453 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 2: You know, it's tens of billions of dollars that are

1160
00:57:31,133 --> 00:57:33,893
Speaker 2: going to just sort of on the effective government mortgage

1161
00:57:34,453 --> 00:57:37,013
Speaker 2: all the time. There's a lot of spending that has

1162
00:57:37,173 --> 00:57:41,533
Speaker 2: been decided in previous years that you know that continues

1163
00:57:41,613 --> 00:57:44,853
Speaker 2: basically for every year after that. So previous decisions by

1164
00:57:44,933 --> 00:57:47,733
Speaker 2: previous governments are a little bit more locked in, and

1165
00:57:47,853 --> 00:57:51,613
Speaker 2: you've seen again a challenging ability for a new government

1166
00:57:51,653 --> 00:57:52,933
Speaker 2: to come in and say, well, we're not going to

1167
00:57:53,013 --> 00:57:54,533
Speaker 2: do that because people get used to it. You know,

1168
00:57:54,613 --> 00:57:57,253
Speaker 2: people have got used to having anything from food and

1169
00:57:57,333 --> 00:57:59,653
Speaker 2: schools to a whole lot of other policies that just

1170
00:57:59,773 --> 00:58:02,453
Speaker 2: weren't there, you know, five ten years ago, to put

1171
00:58:02,533 --> 00:58:06,573
Speaker 2: some of this in perspective, just before the pandemic hit,

1172
00:58:06,813 --> 00:58:10,133
Speaker 2: you were seeing the core crown expense, So government spending effectively,

1173
00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:13,493
Speaker 2: was it about twenty eight percent of GDP At the

1174
00:58:13,693 --> 00:58:17,133
Speaker 2: end of the forecast period. In twenty thirty, core cround

1175
00:58:17,173 --> 00:58:20,493
Speaker 2: expenses will still be thirty point five percent of GEDP,

1176
00:58:20,693 --> 00:58:23,773
Speaker 2: so more than two percentage points more of the economy

1177
00:58:24,093 --> 00:58:27,013
Speaker 2: is now coming through and being driven by government activity.

1178
00:58:27,333 --> 00:58:29,733
Speaker 2: So it is a real tough one because it suggests

1179
00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:32,933
Speaker 2: that again we're living outside our means, and that there

1180
00:58:32,973 --> 00:58:35,533
Speaker 2: are some very very difficult calls, like if you are

1181
00:58:35,893 --> 00:58:37,893
Speaker 2: central government, and there's of course spend a lot of

1182
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:40,493
Speaker 2: calls recently for you know, either spending a whole lot

1183
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:42,693
Speaker 2: more on one side of politics or a whole lot

1184
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:45,213
Speaker 2: less by other sides of politics. In the middle of

1185
00:58:45,613 --> 00:58:47,493
Speaker 2: you've got the government going, well, I sort of can't

1186
00:58:47,533 --> 00:58:49,573
Speaker 2: make anyone happy because I can't spend a lot more

1187
00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:52,293
Speaker 2: because we're indeficite, but also can't trim it as much

1188
00:58:52,373 --> 00:58:55,213
Speaker 2: back because you'd create all sorts of challenges for low

1189
00:58:55,253 --> 00:58:58,013
Speaker 2: income households. So on that note, spread do you think

1190
00:58:58,013 --> 00:58:59,973
Speaker 2: the government needs to look at text reform or new

1191
00:59:00,053 --> 00:59:04,613
Speaker 2: revenue measures to address that deficit. I mean, looks in

1192
00:59:04,693 --> 00:59:07,173
Speaker 2: an ideal economist world, you'd sort of do bits of everything.

1193
00:59:07,253 --> 00:59:09,213
Speaker 2: You'd have a little bit more ten reform to try

1194
00:59:09,253 --> 00:59:12,053
Speaker 2: and broaden the base a little bit more. You would

1195
00:59:12,093 --> 00:59:14,613
Speaker 2: run the ruler a whole lot harder over some of

1196
00:59:14,693 --> 00:59:18,293
Speaker 2: the spending that government does, and say to some industries

1197
00:59:18,373 --> 00:59:20,533
Speaker 2: and some sectors, look, you've got support for quite a

1198
00:59:20,573 --> 00:59:23,733
Speaker 2: lot of time, but sorry, that's ending today. And I

1199
00:59:23,773 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 2: would look quite seriously again about some of those big,

1200
00:59:26,533 --> 00:59:29,333
Speaker 2: big spending items. I mean, at the moment, even if

1201
00:59:29,413 --> 00:59:31,973
Speaker 2: we magiced up a whole bunch of productivity, which we've

1202
00:59:32,013 --> 00:59:34,853
Speaker 2: been struggling with. To be fair, even that wouldn't sort

1203
00:59:34,893 --> 00:59:38,413
Speaker 2: of put us away from the pretty challenging fiscal conditions

1204
00:59:38,493 --> 00:59:40,693
Speaker 2: of the likes of super And look, I know it

1205
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:42,853
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm sort of banging on about this one item.

1206
00:59:43,173 --> 00:59:43,413
Speaker 1: It is.

1207
00:59:44,293 --> 00:59:45,973
Speaker 2: It's sort of you know, at one point it's going

1208
00:59:46,053 --> 00:59:48,173
Speaker 2: to be thirty billion dollars that New Zealand spends on

1209
00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,893
Speaker 2: sufer out towards the end of the decade. At that

1210
00:59:50,973 --> 00:59:53,413
Speaker 2: point it's more than the entire education budget at once.

1211
00:59:53,453 --> 00:59:57,173
Speaker 2: So like that one item, that one incredibly large amount

1212
00:59:57,213 --> 00:59:59,813
Speaker 2: of money is such a fundamental one that unless you

1213
00:59:59,933 --> 01:00:02,133
Speaker 2: make a change to that, I really don't think that

1214
01:00:02,213 --> 01:00:04,893
Speaker 2: you sort of make any headway into the fiscal conditions

1215
01:00:04,973 --> 01:00:07,013
Speaker 2: at all. Every other thing is rats and mice.

1216
01:00:08,413 --> 01:00:10,653
Speaker 3: Now, Brad, you said that the the you know, the

1217
01:00:10,773 --> 01:00:15,253
Speaker 3: COVID spending was necessary, but surely the fact that the

1218
01:00:15,333 --> 01:00:18,973
Speaker 3: economy was so overcooked and interest rates went through the

1219
01:00:19,133 --> 01:00:21,653
Speaker 3: roof and we saw having to house prices and stuff,

1220
01:00:22,133 --> 01:00:25,973
Speaker 3: surely we can say now that you know, definitively too

1221
01:00:26,053 --> 01:00:27,693
Speaker 3: much money was pumped into the economy.

1222
01:00:28,933 --> 01:00:31,893
Speaker 2: Yes, to be clear, a lot of it was necessary

1223
01:00:32,173 --> 01:00:34,413
Speaker 2: for a period of time. And I think the two

1224
01:00:34,533 --> 01:00:37,333
Speaker 2: challenges that we've found looking back at COVID level spending

1225
01:00:37,813 --> 01:00:40,293
Speaker 2: is that one, we left that support in place way

1226
01:00:40,373 --> 01:00:42,533
Speaker 2: too long, Like we needed it at the start when

1227
01:00:42,573 --> 01:00:44,853
Speaker 2: the economy was in a bad place, when we had

1228
01:00:44,933 --> 01:00:47,173
Speaker 2: no idea, when we were coming out of lockdown. But

1229
01:00:47,253 --> 01:00:49,373
Speaker 2: when we came out, when the economy started to get

1230
01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:52,173
Speaker 2: its you know, activity back up and running, we still

1231
01:00:52,253 --> 01:00:55,493
Speaker 2: provided that support even though clearly the economy, the economic

1232
01:00:55,613 --> 01:00:58,933
Speaker 2: motor was humming. So there's that challenge. There's also the

1233
01:00:58,973 --> 01:01:01,373
Speaker 2: fact that a lot of stuff got counted as COVID spending,

1234
01:01:01,533 --> 01:01:04,413
Speaker 2: when in hindsight you go, well, that wasn't really through

1235
01:01:04,613 --> 01:01:07,533
Speaker 2: a pandemic. Again, the likes of you know, paying for

1236
01:01:08,093 --> 01:01:10,333
Speaker 2: you know, health and a whole lot of other areas

1237
01:01:10,573 --> 01:01:13,693
Speaker 2: was important during a pandemic. Paying for jobs creation when

1238
01:01:13,693 --> 01:01:16,573
Speaker 2: the unemployment rate got to its lowest level ever just

1239
01:01:16,653 --> 01:01:19,653
Speaker 2: about in modern history. Probably wasn't COVID level spending Hills,

1240
01:01:19,773 --> 01:01:21,733
Speaker 2: Probably just general support that we didn't need.

1241
01:01:22,493 --> 01:01:24,373
Speaker 3: Now here's the text has come through because on the

1242
01:01:24,453 --> 01:01:27,413
Speaker 3: show we've been talking about positivity, and this Texas says,

1243
01:01:27,493 --> 01:01:30,173
Speaker 3: listen to Matt the fascist who keeps misleading on here

1244
01:01:30,293 --> 01:01:32,653
Speaker 3: about things getting better. Are you going to still drag

1245
01:01:32,733 --> 01:01:35,333
Speaker 3: on about that things are clearly getting worse? What do

1246
01:01:35,373 --> 01:01:38,093
Speaker 3: you say to that text to Rob? I mean the

1247
01:01:38,173 --> 01:01:39,813
Speaker 3: text to Rob, What do you say to Rob Brad?

1248
01:01:40,733 --> 01:01:43,893
Speaker 2: Look, I hear the point, and you look at some

1249
01:01:44,013 --> 01:01:46,453
Speaker 2: of the indicators. You look at contrumer confidence and everything.

1250
01:01:46,493 --> 01:01:48,293
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that we're out of the woods yet,

1251
01:01:48,773 --> 01:01:51,893
Speaker 2: but we are seeing better economic indicators in a number

1252
01:01:51,893 --> 01:01:54,573
Speaker 2: of areas. Will be waiting quite with quite bited breath

1253
01:01:54,613 --> 01:01:57,093
Speaker 2: at this point for Thursday morning, at ten forty five

1254
01:01:57,173 --> 01:01:59,533
Speaker 2: when we get the latest GDP figures, But we do

1255
01:01:59,733 --> 01:02:01,533
Speaker 2: expect that to have pulled us out of the whole

1256
01:02:01,893 --> 01:02:04,133
Speaker 2: a little bit compared to where we were, say, three

1257
01:02:04,173 --> 01:02:06,893
Speaker 2: months ago. So I think the key point here is that, Look,

1258
01:02:06,973 --> 01:02:09,293
Speaker 2: I do genuinely think looking at the numbers that we're

1259
01:02:09,293 --> 01:02:11,733
Speaker 2: seeing an improvement. But I don't want anyone to sort

1260
01:02:11,773 --> 01:02:14,413
Speaker 2: of take that the wrong way and say everything's fine

1261
01:02:14,453 --> 01:02:16,493
Speaker 2: and solved and everything in twenty twenty six is going

1262
01:02:16,533 --> 01:02:19,373
Speaker 2: to be great. It's not, but it is going to

1263
01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:21,733
Speaker 2: be on a better pathway. Most of the indicators are

1264
01:02:21,773 --> 01:02:24,373
Speaker 2: starting to suggest that. But it's certainly not as sort

1265
01:02:24,413 --> 01:02:27,693
Speaker 2: of as much of a big boost up as we'd

1266
01:02:27,733 --> 01:02:29,813
Speaker 2: probably like to see. But we've got to be careful.

1267
01:02:29,853 --> 01:02:32,093
Speaker 2: We're still trying to sort of wean the economy into

1268
01:02:32,173 --> 01:02:34,533
Speaker 2: a better place after it's head all the support, so

1269
01:02:34,653 --> 01:02:36,613
Speaker 2: there is a bit more balance. I think that's needed

1270
01:02:36,653 --> 01:02:39,613
Speaker 2: going forward. Yeah, got to keep watering those green shoots, Brad,

1271
01:02:40,613 --> 01:02:42,413
Speaker 2: that's the one you need the patrograss to come through.

1272
01:02:42,453 --> 01:02:44,093
Speaker 2: But you also don't want to trample on it too

1273
01:02:44,173 --> 01:02:46,373
Speaker 2: quickly or play too many games on it. After that,

1274
01:02:46,653 --> 01:02:49,373
Speaker 2: beautifully said Brad, always good to get you on mate.

1275
01:02:49,613 --> 01:02:52,293
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. And I know we said this

1276
01:02:52,453 --> 01:02:54,173
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, but merry Christmas if we

1277
01:02:54,213 --> 01:02:56,253
Speaker 2: don't chet again, mate, which I'm sure we want aime

1278
01:02:56,293 --> 01:02:58,893
Speaker 2: to you. That is Brad al send the CEO of

1279
01:02:59,053 --> 01:03:02,413
Speaker 2: infometrics and chief economists. So we are going to be

1280
01:03:02,453 --> 01:03:05,373
Speaker 2: in deficit for longer according to the latest HIFU. So

1281
01:03:05,373 --> 01:03:06,653
Speaker 2: I'd love to get your thoughts on this. So one

1282
01:03:06,773 --> 01:03:09,173
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. The government need to make

1283
01:03:09,173 --> 01:03:12,493
Speaker 2: more decisions when it comes to spending or the tax take.

1284
01:03:12,613 --> 01:03:14,613
Speaker 2: They overshot how much tax they thought they were going

1285
01:03:14,693 --> 01:03:17,173
Speaker 2: to get, and Brad did throw the grenade out there.

1286
01:03:17,213 --> 01:03:19,893
Speaker 2: Talking about super annuation is one thing that has been

1287
01:03:19,933 --> 01:03:22,653
Speaker 2: talked about a lot over recent years. So I'd love

1288
01:03:22,693 --> 01:03:24,413
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts. So one hundred and eighteen eighty.

1289
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:29,053
Speaker 3: I categorically refuse to be negative about this. I say

1290
01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:30,893
Speaker 3: things are going to get better in twenty twenty six

1291
01:03:31,053 --> 01:03:33,853
Speaker 3: positive outs. I think it's time to go hard or

1292
01:03:33,893 --> 01:03:36,333
Speaker 3: go home, So stick that up your rob.

1293
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:40,133
Speaker 2: Nine nights it was text back very shortly headlines with

1294
01:03:40,653 --> 01:03:43,373
Speaker 2: Aileen then taking your calls. It is twenty five to three.

1295
01:03:45,653 --> 01:03:49,293
Speaker 7: Jus talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1296
01:03:49,413 --> 01:03:53,093
Speaker 7: no trouble with a blue bubble. Forecasts the economy will

1297
01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:56,933
Speaker 7: grow slower than hope next year. In today's Treasury release

1298
01:03:57,013 --> 01:04:00,453
Speaker 7: of its half year Economic and Fiscal Update, it's predicting

1299
01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:03,653
Speaker 7: growth of just one point seven percent and twenty twenty six,

1300
01:04:04,133 --> 01:04:07,533
Speaker 7: with fifty fewer people in the population than earlier thought

1301
01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:11,893
Speaker 7: and hours being worked, but GDP growth the next year

1302
01:04:11,933 --> 01:04:14,973
Speaker 7: is expected to zero point four percent, higher than forecast

1303
01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:19,693
Speaker 7: at three point four percent. Chris Hopkins has condemned Israel's

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Speaker 7: Prime Minister for claiming Australia has let antisemitism grow after

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Speaker 7: Sydney's Bondai Beach terrorist attack. Labour's leader says there's a

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Speaker 7: difference between antisemitism and legitimate criticism of Israel's actions. Police

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Speaker 7: warn twenty nine year old Mitchell Cole is dangerous and

1308
01:04:38,853 --> 01:04:41,733
Speaker 7: shouldn't be approached as they hunt him over a double

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Speaker 7: homicide in Huanganui's Rueteti on Saturday. The Public Service Minister

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Speaker 7: says a plan to amalgamate ministries isn't about cost cutting

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Speaker 7: but will create efficiencies. Auckland businessman who took seven hundred

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Speaker 7: and seventy three thousand, hundred thousand and A and Z

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Speaker 7: Commissions gets home to tention. You can find out more

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Speaker 7: at Enzed Herald Premium. Now back to matt Eth and

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Speaker 7: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very March Raylan, and we're talking about the

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01:05:09,933 --> 01:05:13,813
Speaker 2: half yearly economic fiscal update as we just had the

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01:05:13,893 --> 01:05:16,173
Speaker 2: chat with Brad Olsen, so love to get your thoughts

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01:05:16,173 --> 01:05:17,333
Speaker 2: on that. It does show we're going to be in

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01:05:17,373 --> 01:05:21,333
Speaker 2: deficit for slightly longer. Brad made the point that the

1321
01:05:21,373 --> 01:05:23,973
Speaker 2: government government may need to make decisions when it comes

1322
01:05:24,013 --> 01:05:26,773
Speaker 2: to spending and the tax take, whether there's some more

1323
01:05:26,893 --> 01:05:29,253
Speaker 2: revenue streams they can look into. So I love to

1324
01:05:29,293 --> 01:05:32,053
Speaker 2: get your thoughts. Nineteen nine two is the text number

1325
01:05:32,693 --> 01:05:35,253
Speaker 2: and eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 2: Two cool?

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01:05:35,973 --> 01:05:37,813
Speaker 3: The sixth says, just look at how much the unions

1328
01:05:37,853 --> 01:05:41,013
Speaker 3: have demanded recently in the public sector with their labor backing.

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01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:43,373
Speaker 3: They will take this country down between them. When a

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Speaker 3: new party is elected to power, all frontline public sector

1331
01:05:46,213 --> 01:05:49,133
Speaker 3: workers should have to reapply for their jobs too. Many

1332
01:05:49,173 --> 01:05:50,893
Speaker 3: of them are rowing the boat in the opposite direction.

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01:05:51,413 --> 01:05:54,253
Speaker 3: Get on the boat or get off the boats? Is

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01:05:54,373 --> 01:05:54,853
Speaker 3: that text?

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Speaker 2: There is this text?

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Speaker 3: It says, hey, guys, pissport Economic Management twenty thirty one.

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Speaker 3: Just to break even. You wouldn't borrow just to keep

1338
01:06:02,373 --> 01:06:04,893
Speaker 3: up your standard of living in your own budget. We're

1339
01:06:04,973 --> 01:06:07,573
Speaker 3: just reverse mortgaging our country and our children's futures for

1340
01:06:07,653 --> 01:06:10,693
Speaker 3: the sake of new and flat screens. Spin, spin, spin,

1341
01:06:10,813 --> 01:06:15,013
Speaker 3: and tax TAC tax is the least left modus operado operando,

1342
01:06:15,693 --> 01:06:18,853
Speaker 3: But Nicola is spending more. Step one get rid of

1343
01:06:19,093 --> 01:06:22,453
Speaker 3: the eighteen thousand additional public servants that the last government

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Speaker 3: put on the payroll with no outputs, so frustrating. Kindness regards, Dave.

1345
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Speaker 2: It's a nice end. Kindest regards. I like that.

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01:06:29,493 --> 01:06:31,813
Speaker 3: I like that, and the test, Dave, kindest regards.

1347
01:06:31,933 --> 01:06:33,893
Speaker 2: Good on your Dave, and some decent points here.

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Speaker 3: Whether that was a bit of pill with a bit

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01:06:35,293 --> 01:06:38,493
Speaker 3: of sugar at the end, Tony, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 8: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: How are you very well? And what's your take on

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01:06:43,853 --> 01:06:45,933
Speaker 2: this half yearly fiscal update?

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Speaker 8: Well, I guess my comment is not specifically about the update,

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01:06:51,093 --> 01:06:53,733
Speaker 8: but just about the and I guess the structure that

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01:06:53,853 --> 01:06:57,013
Speaker 8: we work in, and I'm getting to I have become

1356
01:06:57,613 --> 01:07:00,613
Speaker 8: very tired of I guess what I'd term whack a

1357
01:07:00,693 --> 01:07:06,533
Speaker 8: mole politics, as in, we see a problem, so whether

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01:07:06,653 --> 01:07:09,813
Speaker 8: that's let's increase taxes, bring a capital gains tax in,

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01:07:09,973 --> 01:07:13,293
Speaker 8: or we see an issue in government expenditure, let's make

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Speaker 8: some people redundant, let's spend less. It's time that I

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01:07:17,253 --> 01:07:19,733
Speaker 8: think as a country we had a grown up discussion

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Speaker 8: about the whole issue of what we spend, what we tax,

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01:07:24,773 --> 01:07:27,773
Speaker 8: how do we incentivize people to move away from property,

1364
01:07:28,093 --> 01:07:31,173
Speaker 8: look at the whole savings and investment side for individuals,

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01:07:31,853 --> 01:07:34,653
Speaker 8: key we save and make it compulsory for goodness sake.

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Speaker 8: But what we do, what it seems to me that

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01:07:37,813 --> 01:07:41,293
Speaker 8: we do, is we pick an item that's flavor of

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01:07:41,373 --> 01:07:44,813
Speaker 8: the month and I'm not having to go at labor

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01:07:44,933 --> 01:07:48,053
Speaker 8: over this as such. But then bringing in a capital

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01:07:48,133 --> 01:07:52,053
Speaker 8: gains tax in one specific area isn't going to change

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Speaker 8: the balance significantly. You know, we need politicians I think

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Speaker 8: that are brave enough to say this is what we

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01:07:58,853 --> 01:08:02,413
Speaker 8: have to do for affordability. We need to gradually raise

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01:08:02,493 --> 01:08:06,253
Speaker 8: the superannuation age to sixty seven.

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Speaker 20: Over the next ten years.

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Speaker 8: We need to make key we sober compulsory. We need

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01:08:11,133 --> 01:08:13,973
Speaker 8: an all encompassing capital gains tax. We need to address

1378
01:08:14,013 --> 01:08:18,053
Speaker 8: government spending and prioritize, but all we seem to do

1379
01:08:18,253 --> 01:08:21,253
Speaker 8: is pick on one thing and somehow think that that's

1380
01:08:21,333 --> 01:08:23,973
Speaker 8: actually going to shift the dial, and it never does.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think we keep getting politicians that don't

1382
01:08:27,412 --> 01:08:31,572
Speaker 3: make these logical decisions that you're talking about. So, if

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01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:35,652
Speaker 3: there is a perfect path that we could take, why

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01:08:35,812 --> 01:08:38,452
Speaker 3: don't people take it. If there's a perfect logical path

1385
01:08:38,692 --> 01:08:41,013
Speaker 3: that would lead us to the prosperity we need as

1386
01:08:41,053 --> 01:08:45,253
Speaker 3: a country and achieve all the things we need, why

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Speaker 3: aren't we getting politicians that will do that? Tony?

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Speaker 8: I think some of it is political ideology. So you

1389
01:08:53,692 --> 01:08:58,812
Speaker 8: get a party like the Green so they're conservation policies

1390
01:08:58,853 --> 01:09:03,173
Speaker 8: I have a lot of time for. But we've got

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01:09:03,213 --> 01:09:06,652
Speaker 8: a Green party that is a green veneer over a

1392
01:09:06,812 --> 01:09:10,732
Speaker 8: socialist base. You know, they do things like we'll never

1393
01:09:10,812 --> 01:09:13,933
Speaker 8: work with National because they're a right wing party, so

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01:09:14,173 --> 01:09:19,333
Speaker 8: the environment is second place, second figgle to their fiddle,

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Speaker 8: to their political ideology here. That makes no sense to me.

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01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:26,293
Speaker 8: That's a that's not a grown up discussion about what's

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01:09:26,333 --> 01:09:29,452
Speaker 8: good for everyone. So I think political ideology is part

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01:09:29,492 --> 01:09:34,732
Speaker 8: of it. National repealing everything labor does and I'm sure Labor,

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Speaker 8: if they win next time, we'll come in and do

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01:09:37,293 --> 01:09:41,213
Speaker 8: not a dissimilar thing. I think we need more bipartisan

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01:09:41,293 --> 01:09:47,772
Speaker 8: agreement between the major parties for issues that aren't really

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01:09:47,973 --> 01:09:55,372
Speaker 8: core ideological differences. And I'm sorry, I'm really cynical about

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01:09:55,412 --> 01:10:00,412
Speaker 8: politicians at the moment. I've I've generally found some politicians

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01:10:00,452 --> 01:10:03,652
Speaker 8: that I could respect and like, and I'm really struggling

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01:10:03,732 --> 01:10:07,892
Speaker 8: to find any of them right across either party. I mean,

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01:10:08,053 --> 01:10:10,932
Speaker 8: there are, my goodness, we seem to have a very

1407
01:10:12,293 --> 01:10:14,253
Speaker 8: shallow talent pool at the moment.

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01:10:14,893 --> 01:10:20,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about I mean the level of criticism politicians

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01:10:20,572 --> 01:10:23,893
Speaker 3: get on anything they do. So let's talk about a

1410
01:10:23,893 --> 01:10:25,333
Speaker 3: lot of people are texting about the size of the

1411
01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:30,572
Speaker 3: public sector. So the public sector increased rapidly under Labor

1412
01:10:30,933 --> 01:10:33,892
Speaker 3: and their reaction to COVID and you know, their need

1413
01:10:34,013 --> 01:10:36,933
Speaker 3: for you know, you could argue that they thought that

1414
01:10:37,093 --> 01:10:40,253
Speaker 3: we need to keep people employed under this crazy situation

1415
01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:43,293
Speaker 3: that's happened to the world. But then when Nationale goes, well,

1416
01:10:43,372 --> 01:10:46,412
Speaker 3: that's a lot of extra public servants and this has

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01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:48,333
Speaker 3: changed a lot in a very short amount of time,

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01:10:48,372 --> 01:10:51,373
Speaker 3: and they go, let's cut back, and then the screaming

1419
01:10:51,572 --> 01:10:56,372
Speaker 3: and wailing make it seem like you're removing jobs that

1420
01:10:56,732 --> 01:11:00,013
Speaker 3: were entrenched since the nineteen thirties, if you see what

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01:11:00,053 --> 01:11:05,652
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So it is that is the problem that

1422
01:11:06,933 --> 01:11:12,293
Speaker 3: politicians two, that they're too focused on what the media says.

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01:11:12,333 --> 01:11:17,333
Speaker 3: They're too focused on the complaints and not focused enough

1424
01:11:17,372 --> 01:11:20,293
Speaker 3: on just doing what they believe they need to do.

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01:11:23,013 --> 01:11:25,213
Speaker 8: Yes, I think that there's possibly a part of that.

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01:11:25,333 --> 01:11:29,412
Speaker 8: I don't think it's a significant portion unless you extrapolate

1427
01:11:29,532 --> 01:11:33,732
Speaker 8: it to you know, have a vested self interest in

1428
01:11:34,412 --> 01:11:38,612
Speaker 8: continuing in their jobs, and a three year election cycle

1429
01:11:39,133 --> 01:11:42,532
Speaker 8: really doesn't leave a lot of room for them to

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01:11:42,692 --> 01:11:47,452
Speaker 8: make structural and fundamental change. When I lived in the

1431
01:11:47,572 --> 01:11:50,333
Speaker 8: UK for a long time and and my goodness, I'm

1432
01:11:50,372 --> 01:11:54,852
Speaker 8: not comparing then the UK now as being any beacon

1433
01:11:54,933 --> 01:11:59,532
Speaker 8: of light, but something like a four or five year

1434
01:11:59,772 --> 01:12:03,692
Speaker 8: electoral cycle, to me would make a lot more sense

1435
01:12:04,532 --> 01:12:07,213
Speaker 8: to give politicians the ability maybe to get away a

1436
01:12:07,253 --> 01:12:11,253
Speaker 8: little bit from that media criticism. Because the title at

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01:12:11,293 --> 01:12:14,933
Speaker 8: the moment appears to be year one, coming change what

1438
01:12:15,053 --> 01:12:19,053
Speaker 8: the previous politician at the previous party did. Year two,

1439
01:12:19,812 --> 01:12:22,972
Speaker 8: try and suggest some change and start the process. Year

1440
01:12:23,053 --> 01:12:25,133
Speaker 8: three worry about being reelected.

1441
01:12:25,652 --> 01:12:27,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot in that. You

1442
01:12:27,652 --> 01:12:30,053
Speaker 2: do need a runway if you've got integrity when you

1443
01:12:30,093 --> 01:12:32,012
Speaker 2: come into politics, and most of them do, no doubt

1444
01:12:32,013 --> 01:12:34,372
Speaker 2: about it. People don't like politicians, but many of them

1445
01:12:34,372 --> 01:12:36,852
Speaker 2: are not there for a paycheck, at least initially some

1446
01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:39,133
Speaker 2: of them if they're there too long. But having that

1447
01:12:39,293 --> 01:12:41,213
Speaker 2: runway to do the brave things that are not going

1448
01:12:41,293 --> 01:12:43,053
Speaker 2: to be popular, but they know they needed to be

1449
01:12:43,173 --> 01:12:45,173
Speaker 2: done and they might lose their job because the people

1450
01:12:45,213 --> 01:12:47,412
Speaker 2: didn't like it. That's a very brave politician to do that.

1451
01:12:47,692 --> 01:12:47,892
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1452
01:12:48,053 --> 01:12:51,532
Speaker 3: You should be there to make the difference that needs

1453
01:12:51,532 --> 01:12:54,612
Speaker 3: to be made, not there to get re elected. Yeah,

1454
01:12:54,732 --> 01:12:58,812
Speaker 3: would be the thing. Do we need a benevolent dictator?

1455
01:13:00,372 --> 01:13:02,372
Speaker 2: Eighty is another to go beck in the Mother is

1456
01:13:02,412 --> 01:13:05,372
Speaker 2: thirteen to three the issues that affect you.

1457
01:13:05,732 --> 01:13:08,012
Speaker 1: And a bit of fun along the way. Mad Heathen

1458
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:10,812
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons ECUs talk said be.

1459
01:13:11,372 --> 01:13:14,053
Speaker 2: Ten to three. So the half yearly fiscal update has

1460
01:13:14,133 --> 01:13:15,732
Speaker 2: been released and we're going to be in deficit for

1461
01:13:15,812 --> 01:13:18,133
Speaker 2: a little bit longer than anticipated. Growth is on the

1462
01:13:18,213 --> 01:13:20,572
Speaker 2: way though, But the question put to you is do

1463
01:13:20,692 --> 01:13:22,652
Speaker 2: you think the government should be doing more, whether that

1464
01:13:22,853 --> 01:13:25,852
Speaker 2: is finding more revenue streams or cutting more spending O.

1465
01:13:25,893 --> 01:13:26,892
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighteen eighty.

1466
01:13:27,013 --> 01:13:28,932
Speaker 3: Politicians want to get re elected in the short term.

1467
01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:31,253
Speaker 3: That's why they don't want to make tough decisions such

1468
01:13:32,893 --> 01:13:37,933
Speaker 3: such an entitled culture right now, says Lee. Yeah, but

1469
01:13:37,973 --> 01:13:41,173
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't the ultimate end of that to be

1470
01:13:42,452 --> 01:13:45,812
Speaker 3: oblivate benevolent dictator? So you want someone to come in

1471
01:13:46,173 --> 01:13:49,732
Speaker 3: and do what's not popular. Yeah, that's an interesting thing,

1472
01:13:49,812 --> 01:13:50,133
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1473
01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:50,532
Speaker 1: It is?

1474
01:13:50,772 --> 01:13:53,492
Speaker 3: It is so if you say there's a say, let's

1475
01:13:53,532 --> 01:13:55,412
Speaker 3: we have a five year term and the government comes

1476
01:13:55,452 --> 01:13:57,132
Speaker 3: in and does a bunch of things that are really unpopular.

1477
01:13:57,213 --> 01:13:59,053
Speaker 3: Now if the government, if the government's elected, and they

1478
01:13:59,133 --> 01:14:01,013
Speaker 3: do exactly what they've said they were going to do.

1479
01:14:01,692 --> 01:14:04,492
Speaker 3: But you do have that situation in America where a

1480
01:14:04,572 --> 01:14:06,333
Speaker 3: guy has been elected and he's doing exactly what he

1481
01:14:06,372 --> 01:14:08,932
Speaker 3: said he would do, and it's making people very angry.

1482
01:14:09,053 --> 01:14:09,253
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1483
01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:11,013
Speaker 3: But I as you think of a story, because I

1484
01:14:11,053 --> 01:14:14,932
Speaker 3: think most people expect someone to like people to campaign

1485
01:14:15,013 --> 01:14:16,093
Speaker 3: on stuff, but not really do it.

1486
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:18,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, though those people are few and far between. I

1487
01:14:18,652 --> 01:14:20,692
Speaker 2: read a story we while ago about a Japanese mayor

1488
01:14:20,933 --> 01:14:23,293
Speaker 2: and he thought it was important that they spend a

1489
01:14:23,372 --> 01:14:25,612
Speaker 2: whole bunch of money, more money than they had to

1490
01:14:25,692 --> 01:14:28,532
Speaker 2: build a tsunami wall. And everybody hated him for that

1491
01:14:28,612 --> 01:14:30,372
Speaker 2: because he spent far too much and it's never going

1492
01:14:30,412 --> 01:14:32,412
Speaker 2: to happen to the city. And he was ousted, and

1493
01:14:32,492 --> 01:14:35,053
Speaker 2: then of course the tsunami hit in twenty eleven and

1494
01:14:35,173 --> 01:14:37,452
Speaker 2: saved that town. He was long gone, he passed away,

1495
01:14:37,732 --> 01:14:39,532
Speaker 2: but they ended up building a statue of them. But

1496
01:14:39,652 --> 01:14:41,492
Speaker 2: how you know, those sort of leaders are hard to

1497
01:14:41,532 --> 01:14:43,692
Speaker 2: come across that. He said, no, this wall is going

1498
01:14:43,732 --> 01:14:45,492
Speaker 2: to be needed. I'm going to bankrupt this town to

1499
01:14:45,492 --> 01:14:47,173
Speaker 2: make it happen because it's going to save us one day.

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01:14:47,652 --> 01:14:50,012
Speaker 2: And it did. And it wasn't until after that happened

1501
01:14:50,053 --> 01:14:51,852
Speaker 2: that they said he was right, We'll build a statue.

1502
01:14:51,933 --> 01:14:52,652
Speaker 2: But he's long gone.

1503
01:14:53,293 --> 01:14:55,452
Speaker 3: But it's an interesting thing that though, wasn't it though,

1504
01:14:55,732 --> 01:14:59,812
Speaker 3: Because you can be you know, Henny Penny, sky is falling,

1505
01:15:00,253 --> 01:15:02,852
Speaker 3: and you can be right, yeah, that the sky did fall,

1506
01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:05,292
Speaker 3: But that also might have been an a rageous, outrageous

1507
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:05,732
Speaker 3: thing to say.

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01:15:05,853 --> 01:15:06,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.

1509
01:15:06,732 --> 01:15:10,213
Speaker 3: It's like infrastructure for one hundred year rains, right, Yeah,

1510
01:15:10,253 --> 01:15:12,572
Speaker 3: so you can have a one hundred year weather event,

1511
01:15:13,133 --> 01:15:15,972
Speaker 3: and you can then spend an insane amount of money

1512
01:15:15,973 --> 01:15:19,053
Speaker 3: to protect from that. But maybe you you know, there's

1513
01:15:19,053 --> 01:15:22,692
Speaker 3: also no argument that you just have to weather the'd disaster,

1514
01:15:22,933 --> 01:15:24,812
Speaker 3: you know, and get on get on with it afterwards.

1515
01:15:25,532 --> 01:15:27,933
Speaker 3: It's such that you have money to spend on on

1516
01:15:28,093 --> 01:15:30,372
Speaker 3: things that need to be spent on that are real

1517
01:15:30,452 --> 01:15:32,612
Speaker 3: things that are happening right now. I mean, obviously it's

1518
01:15:32,612 --> 01:15:35,532
Speaker 3: an incredibly complex thing, or else someone would have solved.

1519
01:15:35,333 --> 01:15:38,772
Speaker 2: It exactly right. It is eight minutes to three back

1520
01:15:38,893 --> 01:15:41,372
Speaker 2: very shortly. We have a chat with Pete that is

1521
01:15:41,452 --> 01:15:44,813
Speaker 2: coming next back in the moment, the issues.

1522
01:15:44,532 --> 01:15:46,972
Speaker 1: That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

1523
01:15:47,213 --> 01:15:50,092
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News.

1524
01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:57,293
Speaker 2: Talks afternoon it is five to three Pete. How you're doing, gentlemen?

1525
01:15:57,732 --> 01:15:58,492
Speaker 5: Put it this way.

1526
01:15:58,572 --> 01:16:00,892
Speaker 20: You know, we've got to spend money to make money.

1527
01:16:00,893 --> 01:16:02,333
Speaker 19: At least what's for national.

1528
01:16:02,093 --> 01:16:02,852
Speaker 7: What we have now?

1529
01:16:03,372 --> 01:16:06,412
Speaker 20: Reason not a badly He's not perfect, none remain end

1530
01:16:06,412 --> 01:16:09,133
Speaker 20: of the day. At least he's positive if he's trying

1531
01:16:09,133 --> 01:16:11,852
Speaker 20: to get this country going. And do you want to

1532
01:16:11,933 --> 01:16:14,372
Speaker 20: go have the other block come back in where they're

1533
01:16:14,372 --> 01:16:17,133
Speaker 20: going to give you a three hospital, three doctors was

1534
01:16:17,692 --> 01:16:20,892
Speaker 20: just just a lolly scramble. At least they got there,

1535
01:16:20,893 --> 01:16:24,012
Speaker 20: building more motor ways. They're trying to get you ZeLing

1536
01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:25,932
Speaker 20: back on the map again. You're going to get them time,

1537
01:16:26,053 --> 01:16:27,772
Speaker 20: you know. I think they're not doing too bad.

1538
01:16:28,812 --> 01:16:32,812
Speaker 3: Do you think that they should go harder? Because one

1539
01:16:32,893 --> 01:16:35,572
Speaker 3: side saying that they're going too hard and a huge

1540
01:16:35,572 --> 01:16:38,293
Speaker 3: amount of people almost equal numbers of saying that they're

1541
01:16:38,452 --> 01:16:40,213
Speaker 3: not going hard enough. So where do you sit on

1542
01:16:40,253 --> 01:16:40,892
Speaker 3: that one? Pete?

1543
01:16:42,572 --> 01:16:43,213
Speaker 8: Yeah, I reckon.

1544
01:16:43,692 --> 01:16:47,132
Speaker 20: You know, the longer you take to build these projects

1545
01:16:47,213 --> 01:16:49,532
Speaker 20: only going to cost your damn sight more down the track.

1546
01:16:49,652 --> 01:16:51,933
Speaker 20: So someone you're quite building the house or whatever some

1547
01:16:51,973 --> 01:16:54,572
Speaker 20: of you're just going to do it otherwise you won't

1548
01:16:54,572 --> 01:16:56,612
Speaker 20: be able to afford to do it. So you know,

1549
01:16:56,973 --> 01:16:58,972
Speaker 20: I'm all for it. They should get all these tournament

1550
01:16:59,053 --> 01:17:01,333
Speaker 20: countries in here and build all these bridges and stuff,

1551
01:17:01,452 --> 01:17:02,972
Speaker 20: or the tunnel and Auckland. Get it done.

1552
01:17:03,333 --> 01:17:05,452
Speaker 2: They're going to cost a lot more on the track, Well,

1553
01:17:05,572 --> 01:17:08,772
Speaker 2: like your positivity beat, just get it done. Okay on track?

1554
01:17:08,973 --> 01:17:10,572
Speaker 3: What kind of countries was he talking about there?

1555
01:17:10,572 --> 01:17:13,772
Speaker 2: I must it, I think he said, China, Oh right,

1556
01:17:13,973 --> 01:17:16,652
Speaker 2: China coming in Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I

1557
01:17:16,812 --> 01:17:18,253
Speaker 2: just just built it and they will come. I think

1558
01:17:18,293 --> 01:17:19,532
Speaker 2: with Pete's arguments.

1559
01:17:20,213 --> 01:17:22,333
Speaker 3: This Texasy of the government was literally elected to slash

1560
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:25,253
Speaker 3: spending in public sector numbers. Well hasn't done that. That's

1561
01:17:25,293 --> 01:17:25,612
Speaker 3: a fact.

1562
01:17:25,853 --> 01:17:28,732
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, good discussion that and there'll be

1563
01:17:28,772 --> 01:17:32,012
Speaker 2: plenty more on the old Hifu as the afternoon progresses.

1564
01:17:32,053 --> 01:17:35,732
Speaker 2: But after three o'clock charity checkouts, we want to have

1565
01:17:35,772 --> 01:17:36,333
Speaker 2: a chat about that.

1566
01:17:36,492 --> 01:17:43,972
Speaker 1: Next your new home for instatele and Entertaining Talk. It's

1567
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:47,812
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk.

1568
01:17:47,933 --> 01:17:51,812
Speaker 2: Sevy Welcome back into the show. Seven pass three. A

1569
01:17:51,893 --> 01:17:54,532
Speaker 2: wee special treat for everyone coming up in about twenty

1570
01:17:54,572 --> 01:17:55,132
Speaker 2: five minutes.

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01:17:55,612 --> 01:17:59,692
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, it is the bar Rumper Pump pumm

1572
01:18:00,412 --> 01:18:05,452
Speaker 4: the Christmas catch Up Pa Rumper pump pum with kick

1573
01:18:05,612 --> 01:18:11,293
Speaker 4: Askui is pa rumper pump mmm bum On News Talks.

1574
01:18:11,013 --> 01:18:15,412
Speaker 2: It be with Mantayler lovely. Every time I hear that

1575
01:18:16,293 --> 01:18:17,612
Speaker 2: just sounds like Christmas, doesn't it?

1576
01:18:17,812 --> 01:18:21,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, doesn't it. So today's Christmas catch Up

1577
01:18:21,692 --> 01:18:26,372
Speaker 3: with a kick ass. Ki we is Worth has great

1578
01:18:26,412 --> 01:18:32,053
Speaker 3: New Zealander incredible. He is an athlete that competes in

1579
01:18:32,133 --> 01:18:34,973
Speaker 3: a sport that everyone's tried. So there are people that

1580
01:18:35,053 --> 01:18:38,173
Speaker 3: have success in obscure sports, but there isn't a single

1581
01:18:38,213 --> 01:18:41,213
Speaker 3: person in New Zealand. Where are some people those without

1582
01:18:41,293 --> 01:18:44,492
Speaker 3: leagues and such, who haven't tried the high jump? But

1583
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:48,532
Speaker 3: nearly everyone has tried the high jump, And so you

1584
01:18:48,652 --> 01:18:50,572
Speaker 3: find out who's good at it, you do and he's

1585
01:18:50,612 --> 01:18:53,452
Speaker 3: the best in the world at jumping over the bar

1586
01:18:54,213 --> 01:18:57,093
Speaker 3: from the ground, which is incredible. It's amazing. Everywhere, all

1587
01:18:57,133 --> 01:19:00,372
Speaker 3: across America, or all across China, everywhere in the world

1588
01:19:00,452 --> 01:19:02,732
Speaker 3: people try to jump over the bar and see how

1589
01:19:02,772 --> 01:19:04,692
Speaker 3: good they are at high jump. And he is the

1590
01:19:04,812 --> 01:19:07,092
Speaker 3: best in the world, and he's from New Zealand.

1591
01:19:07,652 --> 01:19:08,052
Speaker 2: You proud.

1592
01:19:08,133 --> 01:19:09,293
Speaker 3: That's amazing thing, isn't it.

1593
01:19:09,333 --> 01:19:11,893
Speaker 2: Hecky so hell of a thing to say out in

1594
01:19:11,933 --> 01:19:12,293
Speaker 2: the main.

1595
01:19:12,253 --> 01:19:17,133
Speaker 3: Field at the Olympics. Yep is where this purest sports happened.

1596
01:19:17,133 --> 01:19:19,293
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, yep, I think nicely said. And

1597
01:19:19,492 --> 01:19:21,692
Speaker 2: he's a bloody good guy to Boots and looking forward

1598
01:19:21,853 --> 01:19:23,972
Speaker 2: to having a chat with Hamish Cure in about twenty

1599
01:19:24,133 --> 01:19:26,412
Speaker 2: five minutes. Before we get to that, though, let's have

1600
01:19:26,452 --> 01:19:28,452
Speaker 2: a chat about this. So as say you're going about

1601
01:19:28,452 --> 01:19:30,852
Speaker 2: your Christmas shopping or just doing your grocery shopping. No

1602
01:19:30,933 --> 01:19:33,093
Speaker 2: doubt you've heard this at the checkout, would you like

1603
01:19:33,213 --> 01:19:36,892
Speaker 2: to donate two dollars to charity? And although that charity

1604
01:19:36,893 --> 01:19:40,372
Speaker 2: appears to benefit some good organizations out there retailers and

1605
01:19:40,812 --> 01:19:44,293
Speaker 2: customers like us, new research shows that it can backfire.

1606
01:19:44,372 --> 01:19:46,173
Speaker 2: So this is a survey of three hundred and twenty

1607
01:19:46,333 --> 01:19:50,652
Speaker 2: nine New Zealand customer are consumers, and those respondents reported

1608
01:19:50,812 --> 01:19:52,692
Speaker 2: when they were offered or asked do you want to

1609
01:19:52,732 --> 01:19:56,173
Speaker 2: donate two dollars to charity, they felt coerced, skeptical about

1610
01:19:56,213 --> 01:20:00,093
Speaker 2: how donations were used, or resentful that large retailers were

1611
01:20:00,133 --> 01:20:01,812
Speaker 2: asking individuals to give money.

1612
01:20:02,253 --> 01:20:04,372
Speaker 3: So what's the percentage yeah sorry?

1613
01:20:05,372 --> 01:20:07,293
Speaker 2: How many people will survey three hundred and twenty nine

1614
01:20:07,452 --> 01:20:10,012
Speaker 2: and did they say sorry?

1615
01:20:10,732 --> 01:20:10,852
Speaker 1: Oh?

1616
01:20:10,933 --> 01:20:13,412
Speaker 2: I say yeah? So the percentage who felt they were coerce,

1617
01:20:13,452 --> 01:20:18,213
Speaker 2: skeptical and resentful was seventy two percent. Seventy two percent,

1618
01:20:18,333 --> 01:20:19,213
Speaker 2: seventy two percent.

1619
01:20:19,532 --> 01:20:21,213
Speaker 3: And you're one of them, Tyler, I am one of them.

1620
01:20:21,253 --> 01:20:22,973
Speaker 2: I'm in that seventy two percent. I don't like it.

1621
01:20:23,213 --> 01:20:24,772
Speaker 2: I don't know I've been asked, well, I'm at you know,

1622
01:20:24,973 --> 01:20:26,732
Speaker 2: I love New Worl. It's fantastic place. I'm going to

1623
01:20:26,812 --> 01:20:28,492
Speaker 2: name it shame here when they say, hey, just why

1624
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:31,052
Speaker 2: you're here? Would you like to give two dollars to KidsCan?

1625
01:20:31,372 --> 01:20:35,732
Speaker 2: I love KidsCan, fantastic organization, fantastic charity. But then at

1626
01:20:35,772 --> 01:20:38,772
Speaker 2: that point, and it's not the checkout operator's fault, it

1627
01:20:39,013 --> 01:20:41,692
Speaker 2: is it is food Stuffs putting that pressure on me

1628
01:20:41,853 --> 01:20:44,173
Speaker 2: right at the end to say, hey, do you want

1629
01:20:44,213 --> 01:20:45,972
Speaker 2: to chuck in two bucks? Because if you don't, you're

1630
01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:46,812
Speaker 2: kind of a bad person.

1631
01:20:47,253 --> 01:20:49,452
Speaker 3: So I one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What do

1632
01:20:49,492 --> 01:20:51,293
Speaker 3: you think about this? Do you think it's rude to

1633
01:20:51,372 --> 01:20:54,093
Speaker 3: be asked for a donation at the counter? I mean,

1634
01:20:54,133 --> 01:20:55,852
Speaker 3: what's the logic pind this? I can't quite get it

1635
01:20:55,933 --> 01:20:59,412
Speaker 3: because for me, I either do want to donate or

1636
01:20:59,452 --> 01:21:01,253
Speaker 3: I don't. So if I go around in my life

1637
01:21:01,333 --> 01:21:03,253
Speaker 3: and I go, look, I give enough to charity, because

1638
01:21:03,372 --> 01:21:05,253
Speaker 3: we all should give to charity if we can afford it,

1639
01:21:05,372 --> 01:21:08,772
Speaker 3: absolutely right. So if I think I give enough, then

1640
01:21:09,612 --> 01:21:13,173
Speaker 3: I don't give them money. And if I think this

1641
01:21:13,293 --> 01:21:14,772
Speaker 3: is a good charity and I can afford it, I

1642
01:21:14,853 --> 01:21:17,492
Speaker 3: do give the money. I can't understand the resentment. It's

1643
01:21:17,572 --> 01:21:20,372
Speaker 3: just being asked, right, I mean, do you resent being

1644
01:21:20,452 --> 01:21:23,452
Speaker 3: asked on the street if someone comes up? Actually, some

1645
01:21:23,532 --> 01:21:26,053
Speaker 3: of those charity muggers, I do resent because because they're

1646
01:21:26,093 --> 01:21:27,812
Speaker 3: on commission and then they try and shame you a

1647
01:21:27,893 --> 01:21:28,213
Speaker 3: little bit.

1648
01:21:28,333 --> 01:21:29,933
Speaker 2: Yes, well that's where I take it a little bit.

1649
01:21:30,013 --> 01:21:33,892
Speaker 3: And at one point, in a moment of like, yeah,

1650
01:21:33,933 --> 01:21:36,812
Speaker 3: one of my kids gave some money to Greenpeace, and

1651
01:21:37,372 --> 01:21:40,772
Speaker 3: green Peace never stopped harranging them even after being asked.

1652
01:21:40,893 --> 01:21:43,732
Speaker 3: I had to ask for them to stop, and they continued.

1653
01:21:43,772 --> 01:21:47,412
Speaker 3: You know, so that seems too far because they want

1654
01:21:47,452 --> 01:21:53,213
Speaker 3: the subscription donation, right, But I don't quite get it.

1655
01:21:53,293 --> 01:21:55,812
Speaker 3: So can you explain your thought process through this, tyler?

1656
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:58,373
Speaker 3: And you're not you know, you seem like a genuinely

1657
01:21:58,492 --> 01:22:02,452
Speaker 3: nice person charity and you give people, you give them too,

1658
01:22:02,492 --> 01:22:04,892
Speaker 3: homeless people outside shops and such.

1659
01:22:05,093 --> 01:22:05,253
Speaker 10: Yep.

1660
01:22:05,412 --> 01:22:06,412
Speaker 3: So you're not an a hole.

1661
01:22:06,652 --> 01:22:07,652
Speaker 2: No, you're a good man.

1662
01:22:07,853 --> 01:22:10,052
Speaker 3: But you've feel resentful when you're asked at the counter.

1663
01:22:10,173 --> 01:22:11,293
Speaker 3: So explain that to me.

1664
01:22:11,492 --> 01:22:13,372
Speaker 2: So here's what it comes down to. And I thank

1665
01:22:13,452 --> 01:22:15,372
Speaker 2: you for asking this. So, yes, there's a part of

1666
01:22:15,452 --> 01:22:17,213
Speaker 2: it that makes me feel like I'm a bad person

1667
01:22:17,253 --> 01:22:19,333
Speaker 2: if I say no. But what I think it really

1668
01:22:19,452 --> 01:22:22,213
Speaker 2: comes down to is it's an organization and I name

1669
01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:24,293
Speaker 2: one there. I won't name them again because many people

1670
01:22:24,372 --> 01:22:26,612
Speaker 2: do this, but it's the fact that they are asking

1671
01:22:26,692 --> 01:22:28,652
Speaker 2: you as their customer, you're spending a lot of money

1672
01:22:28,772 --> 01:22:31,293
Speaker 2: in their particular retail shop. Then they ask you, do

1673
01:22:31,412 --> 01:22:33,372
Speaker 2: you want to do this for the good of charity?

1674
01:22:33,933 --> 01:22:36,692
Speaker 2: Then they will be the ones to take credit and

1675
01:22:36,812 --> 01:22:40,052
Speaker 2: say they are doing a wonderful thing. They are taking

1676
01:22:40,133 --> 01:22:43,293
Speaker 2: everybody else's money and saying, we're doing this because we're

1677
01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:46,333
Speaker 2: good people, we're a good organization. We care about Kids CAN.

1678
01:22:46,612 --> 01:22:48,852
Speaker 2: So they're taking my two bucks, they're giving it to

1679
01:22:49,452 --> 01:22:51,532
Speaker 2: kids CAN and they say, thank you very much. That

1680
01:22:51,652 --> 01:22:52,013
Speaker 2: was on us.

1681
01:22:52,333 --> 01:22:54,372
Speaker 3: We did that, And Tyler wanted a statue made for

1682
01:22:54,492 --> 01:22:55,732
Speaker 3: him for giving his five bucks?

1683
01:22:55,853 --> 01:22:57,732
Speaker 2: Is that too much to ask just a small one?

1684
01:22:58,333 --> 01:23:01,013
Speaker 3: Should donations charity be anonymous?

1685
01:23:01,053 --> 01:23:01,173
Speaker 5: Then?

1686
01:23:01,812 --> 01:23:05,252
Speaker 3: Is that the thing to be a truly worthy donation?

1687
01:23:06,173 --> 01:23:11,333
Speaker 3: Should because what you're saying is that a company is

1688
01:23:11,572 --> 01:23:15,772
Speaker 3: doing their bit for charity and with the appearance of

1689
01:23:15,933 --> 01:23:18,813
Speaker 3: doing good, but really what they're doing is they're renseeing

1690
01:23:19,133 --> 01:23:23,892
Speaker 3: people at the counter and you know, outsourcing their charitable

1691
01:23:23,973 --> 01:23:28,253
Speaker 3: donation to people at the counter and and you know.

1692
01:23:29,333 --> 01:23:32,253
Speaker 2: Employing guilt. Yeah, exactly, so they can look good, so

1693
01:23:32,333 --> 01:23:34,372
Speaker 2: they can put on their website. The other day, we've

1694
01:23:34,412 --> 01:23:36,612
Speaker 2: given twenty thousand dollars to kids. And did they do that?

1695
01:23:37,173 --> 01:23:38,692
Speaker 2: I think they do. I think if I go on

1696
01:23:38,772 --> 01:23:41,013
Speaker 2: to any of these organizations website and said, last year

1697
01:23:41,053 --> 01:23:43,652
Speaker 2: we donated one hundred and eighty thousand dollars to kids

1698
01:23:43,812 --> 01:23:46,372
Speaker 2: chan our kids can But did you really because that

1699
01:23:46,532 --> 01:23:48,492
Speaker 2: money came from your customers when you ask them at

1700
01:23:48,492 --> 01:23:50,293
Speaker 2: the checkout, would you like to donate two dollars? So

1701
01:23:50,333 --> 01:23:52,612
Speaker 2: it didn't really come from you. It came from your

1702
01:23:52,692 --> 01:23:53,293
Speaker 2: dear customers.

1703
01:23:53,412 --> 01:23:55,892
Speaker 3: Unless and some of them do this, Yes, they give

1704
01:23:55,893 --> 01:23:57,052
Speaker 3: an equal donation.

1705
01:23:57,532 --> 01:23:58,173
Speaker 2: They're as different.

1706
01:23:58,532 --> 01:24:01,333
Speaker 3: I made a donation to a great organization the other

1707
01:24:01,452 --> 01:24:05,053
Speaker 3: day and that then I got the email back. I

1708
01:24:05,093 --> 01:24:08,692
Speaker 3: did it anonymously because I'm a superior human being to you.

1709
01:24:08,732 --> 01:24:12,333
Speaker 3: I don't need the honor. I don't need people to

1710
01:24:12,452 --> 01:24:14,612
Speaker 3: know about this very generous donation.

1711
01:24:14,692 --> 01:24:17,053
Speaker 2: That it feels nice, mate, It feels nice when people

1712
01:24:17,133 --> 01:24:18,732
Speaker 2: know that you've done it and say good on you, Matt.

1713
01:24:19,412 --> 01:24:24,372
Speaker 3: But yeah, the people that ran the organization says that

1714
01:24:24,532 --> 01:24:26,532
Speaker 3: we will give an equal donation to what you gave.

1715
01:24:26,973 --> 01:24:28,973
Speaker 2: That is different. Yeah, I'd agree to that. If they

1716
01:24:29,013 --> 01:24:31,532
Speaker 2: were going to give the equal donation to all the

1717
01:24:31,612 --> 01:24:35,212
Speaker 2: good people who gave the two bucks, then that's halfway

1718
01:24:35,253 --> 01:24:37,293
Speaker 2: good job. I mean they could do the whole lot themselves.

1719
01:24:37,492 --> 01:24:40,692
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, Still don't quite get it. So I'd like

1720
01:24:40,772 --> 01:24:42,612
Speaker 3: to have a discussion on this. I eight one hundred

1721
01:24:42,652 --> 01:24:44,852
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. That's what we're here to do, have

1722
01:24:44,933 --> 01:24:48,973
Speaker 3: discussions on issues. And this has got Tyler's backup. So

1723
01:24:49,452 --> 01:24:51,293
Speaker 3: let's get stuck in charity at the checkout?

1724
01:24:51,333 --> 01:24:52,852
Speaker 2: What do you say? I eight hundred and eighty ten

1725
01:24:52,893 --> 01:24:54,812
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? It's fourteen past three.

1726
01:24:55,532 --> 01:24:58,333
Speaker 2: On news talks, it'd be sixteen past three. So we're

1727
01:24:58,333 --> 01:25:01,372
Speaker 2: talking about forced charity. Well, maybe not force, but certainly

1728
01:25:01,412 --> 01:25:03,053
Speaker 2: heavily implied that you should do it to be a

1729
01:25:03,093 --> 01:25:05,333
Speaker 2: good person. At the checkout? Would you like to donate

1730
01:25:05,372 --> 01:25:07,173
Speaker 2: two dollars? How do you feel about it? I eight

1731
01:25:07,293 --> 01:25:08,293
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty.

1732
01:25:08,452 --> 01:25:15,572
Speaker 3: George, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this? Hey, George,

1733
01:25:17,532 --> 01:25:18,412
Speaker 3: I do not.

1734
01:25:18,532 --> 01:25:19,293
Speaker 9: Feel good about it.

1735
01:25:20,532 --> 01:25:21,333
Speaker 10: Here's what I'll tell you.

1736
01:25:22,253 --> 01:25:25,133
Speaker 9: We're going through the Mega I mean, maybe not so

1737
01:25:25,333 --> 01:25:27,692
Speaker 9: much anymore, but it was such a big cost of

1738
01:25:27,772 --> 01:25:30,452
Speaker 9: living crisis. And the last thing you wanted to check

1739
01:25:30,492 --> 01:25:32,652
Speaker 9: out when you're spending one hundred and sixty bucks a

1740
01:25:32,812 --> 01:25:37,173
Speaker 9: week on groceries is hey, can we can we have

1741
01:25:37,293 --> 01:25:41,812
Speaker 9: five dollars for this charity? You guys are literally profiting

1742
01:25:42,293 --> 01:25:45,333
Speaker 9: so much you should be donating a bit of your

1743
01:25:45,412 --> 01:25:49,652
Speaker 9: profits Couvid charity because we can't afford to pay for that.

1744
01:25:50,492 --> 01:25:52,852
Speaker 9: And then don't also, don't get me started about the

1745
01:25:52,893 --> 01:25:55,732
Speaker 9: guys who hang out outside the supermarket. I have to

1746
01:25:55,812 --> 01:25:58,013
Speaker 9: avoid them like the plague, because as soon as we

1747
01:25:58,173 --> 01:26:02,253
Speaker 9: make eye contact, it's like I'm getting bullied into hey

1748
01:26:02,372 --> 01:26:05,652
Speaker 9: do you want to donate into? And they'll hit the

1749
01:26:05,812 --> 01:26:07,692
Speaker 9: line that they hit you with is hey do you

1750
01:26:07,772 --> 01:26:11,213
Speaker 9: want to donate to kids with brain cancer? And then

1751
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:14,372
Speaker 9: in your head you're like, if I say no, I'm

1752
01:26:14,452 --> 01:26:16,973
Speaker 9: denying some kids with brain cancer.

1753
01:26:16,772 --> 01:26:18,572
Speaker 5: The transfer, you know what I mean.

1754
01:26:18,652 --> 01:26:20,132
Speaker 8: It's like very.

1755
01:26:23,013 --> 01:26:24,892
Speaker 19: I don't know the word for it, but it's very

1756
01:26:25,933 --> 01:26:27,853
Speaker 19: predatory almost.

1757
01:26:27,893 --> 01:26:33,133
Speaker 3: Like so so George, when you say no, do you

1758
01:26:33,652 --> 01:26:35,572
Speaker 3: is it because you have to say no, that is

1759
01:26:35,812 --> 01:26:39,412
Speaker 3: that is the problem. And then in front of the

1760
01:26:39,532 --> 01:26:42,933
Speaker 3: checkout person you feel like a bad person. Is that

1761
01:26:43,013 --> 01:26:43,932
Speaker 3: part of it for you, George?

1762
01:26:45,253 --> 01:26:46,013
Speaker 10: Part of it for me?

1763
01:26:46,293 --> 01:26:50,293
Speaker 9: Yes, personally, But I'm I'm the kind of person who

1764
01:26:50,412 --> 01:26:53,372
Speaker 9: donates when I'm like, I take the same route to

1765
01:26:53,412 --> 01:26:55,852
Speaker 9: work most days, right, and there'll be guys who hang

1766
01:26:55,893 --> 01:26:58,173
Speaker 9: out under the bridge, and if I've got like five

1767
01:26:58,253 --> 01:27:01,532
Speaker 9: bucks twenty bucks, sometimes I'll give it to the homeless

1768
01:27:01,572 --> 01:27:04,972
Speaker 9: guy there who's you know, obviously needs a bit of money.

1769
01:27:05,133 --> 01:27:08,892
Speaker 9: That's my form of charity. I will also don't leave

1770
01:27:08,973 --> 01:27:12,973
Speaker 9: tips that's at a place I eat if I get

1771
01:27:13,053 --> 01:27:15,372
Speaker 9: really good service and there's some extra money there, Like,

1772
01:27:15,532 --> 01:27:18,213
Speaker 9: that's the way that I give back to my community.

1773
01:27:18,933 --> 01:27:21,333
Speaker 3: So you're so you're a good person, George, and you

1774
01:27:21,452 --> 01:27:23,412
Speaker 3: know in your heart you're a good person, and you

1775
01:27:23,572 --> 01:27:27,372
Speaker 3: carry around that information And if you don't donate at

1776
01:27:27,492 --> 01:27:30,812
Speaker 3: the checkout, then that's because you can't or you've donated

1777
01:27:30,893 --> 01:27:35,812
Speaker 3: somewhere else. So can't you just say oh no, thanks

1778
01:27:36,053 --> 01:27:39,333
Speaker 3: and know in your spirit and your soul that you

1779
01:27:39,492 --> 01:27:42,333
Speaker 3: are doing what you can and there's absolutely no reason

1780
01:27:42,492 --> 01:27:44,772
Speaker 3: for you, George to feel bad.

1781
01:27:47,492 --> 01:27:50,572
Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess that's that's somewhat screw but it's also

1782
01:27:50,732 --> 01:27:55,492
Speaker 9: the fact that like it's the fact that like it's

1783
01:27:55,612 --> 01:27:58,492
Speaker 9: kind of on the spot too. It's like the last

1784
01:27:58,612 --> 01:28:02,773
Speaker 9: thing that they ask you, like after you've tallied up everything,

1785
01:28:02,893 --> 01:28:04,973
Speaker 9: you know, and you're looking at two hundred bucks at

1786
01:28:05,013 --> 01:28:07,053
Speaker 9: the checkout and it's like, hey, you want to top

1787
01:28:07,093 --> 01:28:10,572
Speaker 9: it up with an extra twin? Like, we we can't

1788
01:28:10,612 --> 01:28:11,492
Speaker 9: afford to do that.

1789
01:28:11,933 --> 01:28:15,412
Speaker 3: But do you think do you think what about on

1790
01:28:15,532 --> 01:28:17,532
Speaker 3: tipping you said you tipped for do you feel the

1791
01:28:17,572 --> 01:28:20,013
Speaker 3: same thing? Because normally with the tipping thing, it'll come

1792
01:28:20,093 --> 01:28:22,732
Speaker 3: up on the f POS machine and you can just

1793
01:28:22,812 --> 01:28:25,133
Speaker 3: go and quickly go through it if you don't want

1794
01:28:25,173 --> 01:28:28,412
Speaker 3: it to. So if it comes up with the FOS machine,

1795
01:28:28,492 --> 01:28:31,492
Speaker 3: do you mind less? Is it when someone at the

1796
01:28:31,572 --> 01:28:34,333
Speaker 3: counter says, and would you like to donate five dollars too?

1797
01:28:34,492 --> 01:28:36,972
Speaker 3: I remember that that becomes the problem.

1798
01:28:38,093 --> 01:28:41,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when they ask you for its social pressure,

1799
01:28:41,133 --> 01:28:44,892
Speaker 2: isn't it? And I think you know it's deliberate because

1800
01:28:45,213 --> 01:28:47,053
Speaker 2: being put on the spot like that and saying, oh,

1801
01:28:47,093 --> 01:28:49,492
Speaker 2: why you're here. We've got this lovely charity that we're

1802
01:28:49,572 --> 01:28:51,053
Speaker 2: raising money for them, would you like to give a

1803
01:28:51,093 --> 01:28:51,612
Speaker 2: couple of bucks?

1804
01:28:51,652 --> 01:28:54,173
Speaker 3: But they don't know you and they're working all day currently,

1805
01:28:54,213 --> 01:28:57,892
Speaker 3: they're being waterboarded by Christmas music. They've got a whole

1806
01:28:58,053 --> 01:29:00,972
Speaker 3: line of people. They won't remember you, they don't care,

1807
01:29:01,093 --> 01:29:03,652
Speaker 3: they have kind of embarrassed to ask, and it just

1808
01:29:03,732 --> 01:29:04,053
Speaker 3: moves on.

1809
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:06,492
Speaker 2: If that two dollars went to them, then I'd probably

1810
01:29:06,532 --> 01:29:08,053
Speaker 2: be happy to do that and say, hey, would you

1811
01:29:08,093 --> 01:29:10,692
Speaker 2: mind donating two dollars to me because I'm getting water

1812
01:29:10,732 --> 01:29:14,213
Speaker 2: boarded by Christmas. I'll say, yeah, you know, five bucks.

1813
01:29:14,333 --> 01:29:18,253
Speaker 9: You know what the best charity donation place, guilt free is.

1814
01:29:19,093 --> 01:29:21,772
Speaker 9: It's the one at the station and they give you

1815
01:29:21,853 --> 01:29:24,173
Speaker 9: the chips and then you can choose what charity you're

1816
01:29:24,213 --> 01:29:27,692
Speaker 9: donating to. So obviously the corporation is like we get

1817
01:29:27,732 --> 01:29:30,932
Speaker 9: customers coming in, Yes, six amount of period of time,

1818
01:29:31,013 --> 01:29:33,333
Speaker 9: we're going to donate this much, and then you guys

1819
01:29:33,452 --> 01:29:34,293
Speaker 9: choose which charity.

1820
01:29:34,452 --> 01:29:37,132
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that is a good system.

1821
01:29:37,293 --> 01:29:39,492
Speaker 5: But then it's like.

1822
01:29:39,652 --> 01:29:43,293
Speaker 9: You're at the supermarket and these guys are killing it.

1823
01:29:43,412 --> 01:29:46,692
Speaker 9: They've been crushing it since COVID Record profits, and then

1824
01:29:46,772 --> 01:29:49,092
Speaker 9: they have the goal to ask you to donate.

1825
01:29:50,893 --> 01:29:55,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I am starting to understand. I

1826
01:29:55,652 --> 01:29:57,812
Speaker 3: am starting to understand a little bit, and that's a

1827
01:29:57,933 --> 01:30:02,293
Speaker 3: very good example, George, because that is them, you know,

1828
01:30:02,612 --> 01:30:06,572
Speaker 3: donating a percentage of what you have paid across, So

1829
01:30:06,692 --> 01:30:08,572
Speaker 3: it doesn't it's not really taking it out of what

1830
01:30:08,732 --> 01:30:11,973
Speaker 3: you're doing, and you have some agency there. I mean,

1831
01:30:12,053 --> 01:30:13,492
Speaker 3: does anyone just walk out with the chip?

1832
01:30:14,772 --> 01:30:15,372
Speaker 2: What are they worth?

1833
01:30:16,492 --> 01:30:18,972
Speaker 9: I mean, but they're not worth anything. They're only worth

1834
01:30:19,053 --> 01:30:21,093
Speaker 9: something if you put it into the right bucket. Right,

1835
01:30:21,253 --> 01:30:23,013
Speaker 9: So he walked out with the chip and then no

1836
01:30:23,093 --> 01:30:23,973
Speaker 9: one is getting.

1837
01:30:23,973 --> 01:30:25,852
Speaker 3: What about an evil person that just starts collecting the

1838
01:30:25,933 --> 01:30:29,333
Speaker 3: chips and walks around with I'm not a charity guy necklace?

1839
01:30:31,173 --> 01:30:35,772
Speaker 3: Does that guy exist? I wonder, Hey, thank you so

1840
01:30:35,893 --> 01:30:37,652
Speaker 3: much for your call, George, and you're clearly a good

1841
01:30:37,652 --> 01:30:40,013
Speaker 3: person and you have no reason to feel guilty for

1842
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:41,213
Speaker 3: not paying.

1843
01:30:41,412 --> 01:30:44,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, I mean that that is I

1844
01:30:44,372 --> 01:30:46,213
Speaker 2: think it's a fair argument from you that if you

1845
01:30:46,293 --> 01:30:48,572
Speaker 2: don't want to and you say politely. There was a

1846
01:30:48,652 --> 01:30:51,133
Speaker 2: text there from Kate ex don I dismissed it and

1847
01:30:51,253 --> 01:30:53,372
Speaker 2: it was a polite response that maybe is the way

1848
01:30:53,412 --> 01:30:55,692
Speaker 2: to get out of it and say, hey, thanks so much.

1849
01:30:55,732 --> 01:30:58,612
Speaker 2: I really like the charity, but I can't afford that today,

1850
01:30:58,652 --> 01:31:00,412
Speaker 2: so maybe next time. It's probably the way out of

1851
01:31:00,452 --> 01:31:02,532
Speaker 2: it is what you're saying. You can be polite and

1852
01:31:02,652 --> 01:31:03,972
Speaker 2: you still look like a good person.

1853
01:31:05,532 --> 01:31:10,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree with Tyler says the sex.

1854
01:31:10,412 --> 01:31:12,293
Speaker 3: So the thing that gets me is they come out

1855
01:31:12,412 --> 01:31:14,412
Speaker 3: and say that they have donated X amount when it

1856
01:31:14,532 --> 01:31:17,213
Speaker 3: is their customers, but different if they match it, et cetera.

1857
01:31:17,293 --> 01:31:19,772
Speaker 3: They also probably claim it as a tax deduction. Well

1858
01:31:19,853 --> 01:31:21,612
Speaker 3: that's an interesting thing, and I don't know the answer

1859
01:31:21,612 --> 01:31:24,732
Speaker 3: to that, and I would be interested if they claim

1860
01:31:24,772 --> 01:31:27,692
Speaker 3: it is your donation to them, but they then hand

1861
01:31:27,772 --> 01:31:30,812
Speaker 3: on to someone else's a tax deduction for them. I

1862
01:31:30,853 --> 01:31:33,013
Speaker 3: don't know if that's true. If it is, then it

1863
01:31:33,093 --> 01:31:35,213
Speaker 3: does change my perspective on the whole thing.

1864
01:31:35,293 --> 01:31:36,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it. We'll see if we can dig

1865
01:31:36,893 --> 01:31:37,133
Speaker 2: into that.

1866
01:31:37,213 --> 01:31:37,333
Speaker 5: One.

1867
01:31:37,372 --> 01:31:39,053
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1868
01:31:39,093 --> 01:31:40,812
Speaker 2: to call. It's twenty three PUS three.

1869
01:31:44,532 --> 01:31:48,173
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1870
01:31:48,253 --> 01:31:50,133
Speaker 1: ten eighty on US Talk ZV.

1871
01:31:50,173 --> 01:31:53,133
Speaker 2: Twenty five pass three. So we're talking about being asked

1872
01:31:53,173 --> 01:31:56,572
Speaker 2: to donate to charities at the checkout, whether it's the

1873
01:31:56,612 --> 01:31:59,333
Speaker 2: grocery store or the mall or wherever you're doing your

1874
01:31:59,412 --> 01:32:01,452
Speaker 2: Christmas shopping? Is that okay? Oh eight hundred and eighty

1875
01:32:01,532 --> 01:32:04,173
Speaker 2: ten eighty or nine two ninety two. Now just quickly,

1876
01:32:04,253 --> 01:32:06,852
Speaker 2: I've just had a look at an anonymous business. I

1877
01:32:06,853 --> 01:32:08,652
Speaker 2: won't name them, and I won't name the chair because

1878
01:32:08,652 --> 01:32:10,333
Speaker 2: that would give them away. But here's the line here,

1879
01:32:11,053 --> 01:32:14,012
Speaker 2: with our customers help, we've raised more than one million

1880
01:32:14,053 --> 01:32:19,053
Speaker 2: dollars for Chosen Charity. The funds we donate go towards projects, programs,

1881
01:32:19,093 --> 01:32:22,412
Speaker 2: and equipment like those below. So with our customers help,

1882
01:32:22,532 --> 01:32:25,293
Speaker 2: we've raised more than one million. The question of God

1883
01:32:25,452 --> 01:32:28,412
Speaker 2: is how much was the customers and how much was

1884
01:32:28,492 --> 01:32:31,213
Speaker 2: the organization? Because is it with the customers help or

1885
01:32:31,333 --> 01:32:34,372
Speaker 2: is it purely one hundred percent down to the customers.

1886
01:32:34,893 --> 01:32:38,452
Speaker 3: Here's a text here, tyler, really get your facts right.

1887
01:32:39,173 --> 01:32:44,013
Speaker 3: They disclose contributions from customers separate to their own donations.

1888
01:32:44,532 --> 01:32:49,092
Speaker 3: I asked the question, you muppet, I didn't state anything.

1889
01:32:49,772 --> 01:32:51,532
Speaker 3: Really get your facts right?

1890
01:32:51,812 --> 01:32:53,372
Speaker 2: Always with they get your facts right.

1891
01:32:53,772 --> 01:32:59,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so, I mean, nicely said mate.

1892
01:32:59,893 --> 01:33:02,213
Speaker 2: That's all that needs to be said. With ticks like that.

1893
01:33:02,933 --> 01:33:04,293
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to accuse someone of not

1894
01:33:04,293 --> 01:33:06,293
Speaker 3: getting their facts right, get their facts right. You get

1895
01:33:06,293 --> 01:33:10,572
Speaker 3: your facts right about what someone said, Jeez, exactly, Japers

1896
01:33:10,732 --> 01:33:11,372
Speaker 3: your muppet.

1897
01:33:11,492 --> 01:33:13,892
Speaker 2: There's some very angry people out there, murray, how are

1898
01:33:13,933 --> 01:33:14,372
Speaker 2: you mates?

1899
01:33:15,652 --> 01:33:18,852
Speaker 14: Well, mate, I've just got I've got one little wrinkle

1900
01:33:18,933 --> 01:33:22,972
Speaker 14: in the in the argument here. Personally, I don't care

1901
01:33:23,013 --> 01:33:24,852
Speaker 14: if if I feel like saying you will know that

1902
01:33:25,053 --> 01:33:28,492
Speaker 14: that's my business and I'm heavy to go either way. However,

1903
01:33:29,253 --> 01:33:32,333
Speaker 14: there are there are businesses out there that the business

1904
01:33:32,492 --> 01:33:37,812
Speaker 14: is collecting money for these organizations for greenpeace, for for

1905
01:33:38,293 --> 01:33:41,972
Speaker 14: pen cancer and stuff. Ninety percent of the money given

1906
01:33:42,333 --> 01:33:44,732
Speaker 14: is taken up in the administration of the collection of

1907
01:33:44,772 --> 01:33:48,253
Speaker 14: the money, and the organizations that they actually name they're

1908
01:33:48,253 --> 01:33:52,612
Speaker 14: getting paid a role here. So my question becomes how

1909
01:33:52,692 --> 01:33:55,372
Speaker 14: much my two bucks flows to the actual where I'm

1910
01:33:55,372 --> 01:33:58,293
Speaker 14: actually trying to give it to. Because if I if

1911
01:33:58,372 --> 01:34:00,452
Speaker 14: you look at actually some of the some of the

1912
01:34:00,532 --> 01:34:05,452
Speaker 14: collection methodology that's going on, and that that thing about

1913
01:34:05,612 --> 01:34:08,892
Speaker 14: we've made a million dollars for an organization or collected

1914
01:34:08,933 --> 01:34:11,972
Speaker 14: a million dollars, Does that mean I've got a million

1915
01:34:12,053 --> 01:34:13,972
Speaker 14: bucks or does that mean you've got a good ten

1916
01:34:14,053 --> 01:34:15,772
Speaker 14: million and that's their shit.

1917
01:34:16,053 --> 01:34:17,973
Speaker 2: I would think in that case absolutely, if it's at

1918
01:34:18,013 --> 01:34:21,932
Speaker 2: the supermarket I imagine every cent of what they get

1919
01:34:22,133 --> 01:34:23,532
Speaker 2: at the checkout when they say, would you like to

1920
01:34:23,732 --> 01:34:26,253
Speaker 2: donate two dollars goes to that charity. We know that

1921
01:34:26,372 --> 01:34:29,213
Speaker 2: there's some other wider, more famous charities out there that

1922
01:34:29,412 --> 01:34:30,933
Speaker 2: a lot goes to Edmond, no doubt about it. But

1923
01:34:31,013 --> 01:34:34,012
Speaker 2: I think in that case pretty much everything goes.

1924
01:34:34,452 --> 01:34:36,972
Speaker 3: How many much of these poor checkout people that are getting,

1925
01:34:37,093 --> 01:34:39,293
Speaker 3: as I said before, water bordered by Christmas music at

1926
01:34:39,333 --> 01:34:41,852
Speaker 3: this time of the year, just don't repeat then get

1927
01:34:41,973 --> 01:34:47,932
Speaker 3: absolutely punished by customers going how much of this actually

1928
01:34:47,973 --> 01:34:49,612
Speaker 3: goes to the charity before I pay it? How much

1929
01:34:49,652 --> 01:34:52,253
Speaker 3: in this person going I'm on minimum wage, and well

1930
01:34:52,333 --> 01:34:53,973
Speaker 3: minimum wage is quite good at the moment, I'm not

1931
01:34:54,013 --> 01:34:54,812
Speaker 3: getting paid enough for this.

1932
01:34:54,973 --> 01:34:56,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do a hell of a job, those people.

1933
01:34:56,732 --> 01:34:59,133
Speaker 3: I didn't set up this particular little system there. But

1934
01:34:59,213 --> 01:35:00,452
Speaker 3: thank you so much for you call Murray.

1935
01:35:00,532 --> 01:35:04,213
Speaker 2: Appreciate that great discussion. Thank you very much. But we've

1936
01:35:04,253 --> 01:35:07,293
Speaker 2: got the headlines hot on our tail. Then our Christmas

1937
01:35:07,372 --> 01:35:10,372
Speaker 2: catch up with Kicker, Kiwis and Dane. Today it is

1938
01:35:10,532 --> 01:35:13,092
Speaker 2: Hamish cur that's coming up next to its twenty nine past.

1939
01:35:12,893 --> 01:35:18,692
Speaker 7: Three US talks at the headlines with Blue bubble taxis

1940
01:35:18,893 --> 01:35:22,213
Speaker 7: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Treasury says our

1941
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:26,293
Speaker 7: exit from deficit will be delayed. In today's bleak new

1942
01:35:26,452 --> 01:35:30,572
Speaker 7: operating balance forecast, the deficits expected to deepen more to

1943
01:35:30,692 --> 01:35:33,933
Speaker 7: a high of sixteen point nine billion dollars and not

1944
01:35:34,253 --> 01:35:37,972
Speaker 7: narrow to sixty million dollars until the twenty twenty nine

1945
01:35:38,053 --> 01:35:42,013
Speaker 7: to thirty financial year. Netcre crown debts not expected to

1946
01:35:42,053 --> 01:35:45,412
Speaker 7: dip below forty percent of GDP in the next few years.

1947
01:35:46,532 --> 01:35:49,812
Speaker 7: A judge has voided a South Auckland local body election

1948
01:35:50,013 --> 01:35:55,293
Speaker 7: result after claims of voter fraud. Judge Richard mcilraith has

1949
01:35:55,372 --> 01:35:59,733
Speaker 7: found irregularities materially affected the election result for the Poppatoy

1950
01:35:59,812 --> 01:36:05,053
Speaker 7: Toy subdivision of the Autara pappatoy Toy Local Board. A

1951
01:36:05,133 --> 01:36:08,213
Speaker 7: five thousand dollars rewards been offered for information leading to

1952
01:36:08,412 --> 01:36:12,253
Speaker 7: the return of a poor Namu headstone stolen from Rudu

1953
01:36:12,412 --> 01:36:16,812
Speaker 7: Lawn Cemetery in christ Churchis, Bromley. The warehouse has canceled

1954
01:36:16,853 --> 01:36:21,012
Speaker 7: its temporary records of colored sand products after testing's confirmed

1955
01:36:21,093 --> 01:36:26,052
Speaker 7: manufacturers claims they are as bestos free and safe. Auckland

1956
01:36:26,093 --> 01:36:30,852
Speaker 7: Principle resigns one day before school ends after staff complaint letter.

1957
01:36:31,133 --> 01:36:33,492
Speaker 7: You can see the story It ends at Herald Premium.

1958
01:36:34,013 --> 01:36:35,692
Speaker 7: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1959
01:36:35,973 --> 01:36:41,092
Speaker 4: Pa Rumper pump pomm Well Christmas catch up, Pa, Rumper

1960
01:36:41,213 --> 01:36:46,852
Speaker 4: pump pum with Kikos Kueiz Pa rumper pump pum pumpom

1961
01:36:46,893 --> 01:36:50,932
Speaker 4: boom boom on news Talk said be with Antyler.

1962
01:36:51,492 --> 01:36:54,852
Speaker 2: Olympic champion Hamish Kerr has had another huge year. In September,

1963
01:36:54,893 --> 01:36:57,813
Speaker 2: he claimed high jump gold at the World Athletics Championships.

1964
01:36:57,893 --> 01:37:00,612
Speaker 2: Kurz Leap not only secured the world title board also

1965
01:37:00,772 --> 01:37:04,293
Speaker 2: equaled his own record, confirming him as world champion, World leader,

1966
01:37:04,372 --> 01:37:06,932
Speaker 2: Diamond League champion and history maker. Is the first key

1967
01:37:06,973 --> 01:37:09,452
Speaker 2: We to win a high jump world title. He added

1968
01:37:09,492 --> 01:37:11,532
Speaker 2: those wins to his titles at the Olympic Games and

1969
01:37:11,572 --> 01:37:15,093
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games. Of course, Hamish Kurr, welcome to our

1970
01:37:15,173 --> 01:37:18,452
Speaker 2: Christmas series of catchups with kick ass kiwi's how are

1971
01:37:18,532 --> 01:37:19,093
Speaker 2: you hey?

1972
01:37:19,213 --> 01:37:21,732
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me boys, I'm great. How are you guys?

1973
01:37:21,772 --> 01:37:21,932
Speaker 1: Going?

1974
01:37:22,372 --> 01:37:25,772
Speaker 3: Very good? Thanks and thank you for talking to us now, Hamish,

1975
01:37:25,853 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 3: whenever I watch you jump, I have the same thought

1976
01:37:30,093 --> 01:37:33,532
Speaker 3: and look, you're the best in the world at something

1977
01:37:33,692 --> 01:37:37,253
Speaker 3: that every single person attempts at some point. Does that

1978
01:37:37,293 --> 01:37:38,213
Speaker 3: ever cross your mind?

1979
01:37:38,893 --> 01:37:42,212
Speaker 10: Well, it's funny you say that. I consider it probably

1980
01:37:42,412 --> 01:37:45,692
Speaker 10: slightly more on the niche side of sport, but you

1981
01:37:45,812 --> 01:37:48,932
Speaker 10: definitely do have a point. I mean I do remember

1982
01:37:49,213 --> 01:37:52,612
Speaker 10: very vividly at primary school everyone having a go yeah,

1983
01:37:53,053 --> 01:37:55,293
Speaker 10: and everyone kind of wanting to try the high jumper

1984
01:37:55,333 --> 01:37:57,812
Speaker 10: at least one time in their life. Yeah. So I

1985
01:37:57,853 --> 01:38:01,053
Speaker 10: suppose I'm just kind of the primary school kid who

1986
01:38:01,173 --> 01:38:03,372
Speaker 10: just keept on going and never really stopped.

1987
01:38:03,452 --> 01:38:03,572
Speaker 1: Right.

1988
01:38:04,013 --> 01:38:06,612
Speaker 3: Well, it's only niche because only some people are good

1989
01:38:06,652 --> 01:38:07,973
Speaker 3: at it. If you are good at it, then you

1990
01:38:08,093 --> 01:38:11,652
Speaker 3: keep going. And you look and you were very good

1991
01:38:11,652 --> 01:38:14,092
Speaker 3: at it, so you kept going. But it's not a sport,

1992
01:38:14,173 --> 01:38:16,892
Speaker 3: it's not it's not a sport that you know, someone

1993
01:38:16,973 --> 01:38:18,852
Speaker 3: had to have a lot of gear to get into,

1994
01:38:19,013 --> 01:38:20,852
Speaker 3: someone had to have a lot of money behind them.

1995
01:38:20,933 --> 01:38:23,093
Speaker 3: Everyone tried it, and you're the best, and and you're

1996
01:38:23,093 --> 01:38:25,172
Speaker 3: a ki with So that is quite something.

1997
01:38:25,452 --> 01:38:29,372
Speaker 10: There, you go. Yeah, that's the great equalizer, the right exactly.

1998
01:38:29,492 --> 01:38:32,173
Speaker 2: Mate. Hey, So looking back at this year, if you

1999
01:38:32,253 --> 01:38:34,532
Speaker 2: had to pick one moment that stood out for you

2000
01:38:34,652 --> 01:38:35,572
Speaker 2: the most, what would.

2001
01:38:35,412 --> 01:38:38,293
Speaker 10: It be, Oh, I mean, look, World Chance is a

2002
01:38:38,293 --> 01:38:42,333
Speaker 10: hard one to go past. I think, you know, probably

2003
01:38:42,452 --> 01:38:44,933
Speaker 10: probably saying that I am most proud of and and

2004
01:38:45,293 --> 01:38:48,293
Speaker 10: kind of most sort of happy and satisfied with so

2005
01:38:48,372 --> 01:38:51,293
Speaker 10: to speakers, the fact that last year was just so

2006
01:38:51,492 --> 01:38:55,333
Speaker 10: much energy and coming back from the Olympics and just

2007
01:38:55,532 --> 01:38:57,812
Speaker 10: kind of giving myself a time to celebrate and and

2008
01:38:57,973 --> 01:39:00,213
Speaker 10: just sit with it and enjoy it and and really

2009
01:39:00,293 --> 01:39:03,092
Speaker 10: kind of spend the time sitting in that in that space,

2010
01:39:03,612 --> 01:39:05,492
Speaker 10: and then having to get down on the horse the

2011
01:39:05,612 --> 01:39:08,852
Speaker 10: next year, and you know, it wasn't easy. There was

2012
01:39:08,893 --> 01:39:10,692
Speaker 10: There was deffinitely times where I was sort of questioning

2013
01:39:10,732 --> 01:39:12,772
Speaker 10: whether I wanted to go again, and and it was

2014
01:39:12,893 --> 01:39:15,093
Speaker 10: quite challenging. But to kind of get to the end

2015
01:39:15,093 --> 01:39:18,612
Speaker 10: of the season and make a real kind of you know,

2016
01:39:19,093 --> 01:39:21,732
Speaker 10: considered effort to to try and and and really feel

2017
01:39:21,772 --> 01:39:23,732
Speaker 10: like I wanted to commit, and then to be able

2018
01:39:23,772 --> 01:39:26,052
Speaker 10: to get the result that I did at World Champs

2019
01:39:26,173 --> 01:39:27,333
Speaker 10: was was very very satisfying.

2020
01:39:27,572 --> 01:39:30,093
Speaker 3: Well, I mentioned that the training is intense, So how

2021
01:39:30,173 --> 01:39:32,412
Speaker 3: does that look. How much of is gym work and

2022
01:39:32,532 --> 01:39:34,412
Speaker 3: how much of its fitness and how much is it

2023
01:39:34,692 --> 01:39:36,532
Speaker 3: just repeatedly jumping?

2024
01:39:37,933 --> 01:39:39,772
Speaker 10: Uh, well, not a lot of fitness, which is which

2025
01:39:39,853 --> 01:39:44,333
Speaker 10: is good. A lot more gym works. So I mean

2026
01:39:44,372 --> 01:39:46,372
Speaker 10: we we do we're in the gym about three times

2027
01:39:46,412 --> 01:39:48,812
Speaker 10: a week, and then I jump twice a week, and

2028
01:39:48,893 --> 01:39:50,652
Speaker 10: then I do like a couple of running sessions on

2029
01:39:50,732 --> 01:39:52,452
Speaker 10: top of that as well. So we do we do

2030
01:39:52,492 --> 01:39:54,812
Speaker 10: about six days a week of training. Uh, there's probably

2031
01:39:54,853 --> 01:39:56,972
Speaker 10: about eight sessions and that so a couple of double days.

2032
01:39:57,013 --> 01:39:59,932
Speaker 10: But yeah, it's it's it's pretty varied. You know, there's

2033
01:39:59,933 --> 01:40:01,372
Speaker 10: a lot of kind of technical stuff that we need

2034
01:40:01,412 --> 01:40:02,933
Speaker 10: to we need to cover off, but then also a

2035
01:40:02,973 --> 01:40:04,812
Speaker 10: lot of just trying to get as strong and as

2036
01:40:04,893 --> 01:40:07,572
Speaker 10: powerful as possible. So every day is flight difference and

2037
01:40:07,732 --> 01:40:10,173
Speaker 10: and yeah, it's it's it's it's sort of requires a

2038
01:40:10,213 --> 01:40:12,812
Speaker 10: lot of thinking, mainly from my team, not so much

2039
01:40:12,853 --> 01:40:15,852
Speaker 10: from me, but but you know, at times times you're asked,

2040
01:40:15,853 --> 01:40:18,253
Speaker 10: did a lot of a lot of sort of technical

2041
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:20,133
Speaker 10: things that we're trying to achieve. So yeah, it's it's

2042
01:40:20,372 --> 01:40:22,892
Speaker 10: it's always always interesting at the track, that's for sure.

2043
01:40:23,013 --> 01:40:24,973
Speaker 3: A lot of squats. Squat's a big part of it.

2044
01:40:25,173 --> 01:40:28,452
Speaker 10: Yeah, big part squats. Actually, I actually did a little

2045
01:40:28,612 --> 01:40:30,452
Speaker 10: little squat pb this morning in the gym, which I

2046
01:40:30,452 --> 01:40:33,252
Speaker 10: was pretty heavy. Yeah, squatting constantly.

2047
01:40:33,612 --> 01:40:34,293
Speaker 2: What was your p B.

2048
01:40:35,013 --> 01:40:37,613
Speaker 10: Well, I did a quarter squat, I did three repsed

2049
01:40:37,652 --> 01:40:38,372
Speaker 10: three hundred.

2050
01:40:38,173 --> 01:40:41,732
Speaker 2: Kgsly, it's a big it's a big league day.

2051
01:40:41,933 --> 01:40:44,852
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's a yeah. The legs the leagues were struggling.

2052
01:40:44,893 --> 01:40:46,612
Speaker 10: The back was probably struggling a wee bit more, to

2053
01:40:46,652 --> 01:40:48,892
Speaker 10: be honest, kind of felt like I was compacted awe.

2054
01:40:49,013 --> 01:40:51,652
Speaker 10: But but that's that's just what we do, right.

2055
01:40:51,933 --> 01:40:54,133
Speaker 3: What about the mental side of it, because you know,

2056
01:40:54,253 --> 01:40:58,452
Speaker 3: high jump is a you know, it's a very Yeah,

2057
01:40:58,492 --> 01:41:00,372
Speaker 3: the mental game is obviously clear, and you've got quite

2058
01:41:00,372 --> 01:41:03,333
Speaker 3: a famous, you know, routine before you do do your jump.

2059
01:41:03,492 --> 01:41:04,973
Speaker 3: You know, how much is how much of that is

2060
01:41:05,013 --> 01:41:05,572
Speaker 3: it in your prep?

2061
01:41:06,853 --> 01:41:09,053
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it's you know, you go back to,

2062
01:41:09,412 --> 01:41:11,692
Speaker 10: you know, trying high jump to primary school and everyone

2063
01:41:11,772 --> 01:41:12,973
Speaker 10: sort of had to go And I think a lot

2064
01:41:12,973 --> 01:41:15,293
Speaker 10: of people echo the fact that it is a pretty

2065
01:41:15,412 --> 01:41:18,612
Speaker 10: intimidating thing having that bar and kind of knowing you

2066
01:41:18,692 --> 01:41:22,253
Speaker 10: have to get over it. Right, It's a pretty common

2067
01:41:22,333 --> 01:41:23,253
Speaker 10: feeling a lot of people have.

2068
01:41:23,572 --> 01:41:25,372
Speaker 3: It's metaphorical and physical bar.

2069
01:41:25,532 --> 01:41:28,253
Speaker 10: You have to get over it, oh exactly. And it's

2070
01:41:28,253 --> 01:41:30,333
Speaker 10: also it's tough because it doesn't matter how high you

2071
01:41:30,412 --> 01:41:32,492
Speaker 10: clear it. It only counts for the clearance that the

2072
01:41:32,532 --> 01:41:35,253
Speaker 10: bar is set at. So you know, it is a

2073
01:41:35,333 --> 01:41:37,692
Speaker 10: massive mind game. But I think I love that, Like

2074
01:41:37,933 --> 01:41:42,333
Speaker 10: it kind of feels like chess at times, because you know,

2075
01:41:42,412 --> 01:41:44,812
Speaker 10: when you're out there and you're feeling good and you're

2076
01:41:44,853 --> 01:41:47,612
Speaker 10: sort of trying to trying to obviously compete with all

2077
01:41:47,652 --> 01:41:51,253
Speaker 10: these other guys, it can become very technical around who

2078
01:41:51,452 --> 01:41:53,892
Speaker 10: is jumping well early in the competition, but then who

2079
01:41:53,933 --> 01:41:55,652
Speaker 10: actually kind of has the leaks to continue on and

2080
01:41:56,213 --> 01:41:57,732
Speaker 10: sort of how much me doing you do you use

2081
01:41:58,093 --> 01:42:00,412
Speaker 10: to get through the competition, but then also to kind

2082
01:42:00,412 --> 01:42:02,053
Speaker 10: of save up for the end. So I love it,

2083
01:42:02,812 --> 01:42:04,972
Speaker 10: but but you had times it can be pretty draining,

2084
01:42:05,013 --> 01:42:07,692
Speaker 10: and I definitely feel like I come home after quite

2085
01:42:07,692 --> 01:42:10,213
Speaker 10: a big season and I'm quite thankful for the fact

2086
01:42:10,253 --> 01:42:12,053
Speaker 10: I don't have to think about trying to get over

2087
01:42:12,093 --> 01:42:14,253
Speaker 10: the next bar for at least a couple of months.

2088
01:42:14,333 --> 01:42:17,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, during that off season. Genuine question, do you

2089
01:42:17,333 --> 01:42:20,012
Speaker 2: get any pressure You're at a party around mate's family

2090
01:42:20,772 --> 01:42:23,892
Speaker 2: and party trucks the wrong word, but any preciare to say, hey, Mash,

2091
01:42:23,973 --> 01:42:25,333
Speaker 2: you know we've seen it on the tally. But we're

2092
01:42:25,372 --> 01:42:27,293
Speaker 2: going to set up a wee bar here and we

2093
01:42:27,372 --> 01:42:28,892
Speaker 2: want to see you jump over it. Do you get

2094
01:42:28,933 --> 01:42:29,812
Speaker 2: any of that sort of precia?

2095
01:42:30,732 --> 01:42:33,692
Speaker 10: Oh look, it's the worst party truck because you can't.

2096
01:42:34,133 --> 01:42:37,692
Speaker 10: Like I have been asked in the past and people go, oh,

2097
01:42:37,893 --> 01:42:39,532
Speaker 10: surely you can jump over me, and it's like, yeah,

2098
01:42:39,612 --> 01:42:41,772
Speaker 10: give me, give me forty five minutes to warm up.

2099
01:42:42,133 --> 01:42:44,293
Speaker 10: I'll go grab my shoes, we'll try and find a

2100
01:42:44,372 --> 01:42:50,253
Speaker 10: level surface. Let me soaber up a burton. Yeah, it's

2101
01:42:50,333 --> 01:42:52,893
Speaker 10: not the greatest thing in the world. It's not super transferable,

2102
01:42:52,973 --> 01:42:55,333
Speaker 10: but I have jumped over a couple of people in

2103
01:42:55,412 --> 01:42:59,173
Speaker 10: the past research down at the track, and I, yeah,

2104
01:42:59,372 --> 01:43:02,052
Speaker 10: can confirm as possible.

2105
01:43:02,412 --> 01:43:05,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of party trucks, I guess you would be

2106
01:43:05,372 --> 01:43:07,173
Speaker 3: not that great at Limbo. You know you're more of

2107
01:43:07,173 --> 01:43:08,932
Speaker 3: an over a bar rather than an under a bark

2108
01:43:09,053 --> 01:43:09,452
Speaker 3: kind of guy.

2109
01:43:09,692 --> 01:43:09,852
Speaker 5: Yes.

2110
01:43:10,053 --> 01:43:12,692
Speaker 10: Yeah, I have tried lumba a couple of times. I

2111
01:43:12,853 --> 01:43:14,492
Speaker 10: will expect to going over the bath yea.

2112
01:43:14,532 --> 01:43:14,692
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2113
01:43:14,732 --> 01:43:17,293
Speaker 2: Oh good. So looking back on this year and it's

2114
01:43:17,333 --> 01:43:19,253
Speaker 2: been a huge ef your haymash, where do you think

2115
01:43:19,532 --> 01:43:23,012
Speaker 2: you made the biggest improvements in your jumps Obviously height's

2116
01:43:23,013 --> 01:43:25,013
Speaker 2: a big thing, because that's key there, but just in

2117
01:43:25,093 --> 01:43:26,452
Speaker 2: the general technique.

2118
01:43:27,253 --> 01:43:33,652
Speaker 10: I think I think probably it's probably not like a

2119
01:43:33,692 --> 01:43:35,492
Speaker 10: technical change, but I think it's just a belief I've

2120
01:43:35,532 --> 01:43:39,692
Speaker 10: gotten in the program that we've built. So this year

2121
01:43:39,933 --> 01:43:43,492
Speaker 10: I was jumping kind of low to twenties about four

2122
01:43:43,532 --> 01:43:47,732
Speaker 10: months out from World Champs, and in the past, you know,

2123
01:43:47,853 --> 01:43:49,452
Speaker 10: to be jumping that sort of height and then kind

2124
01:43:49,492 --> 01:43:51,452
Speaker 10: of been able to turn it around to getting into

2125
01:43:51,492 --> 01:43:53,412
Speaker 10: the two meters thirties and then and then up to

2126
01:43:53,772 --> 01:43:56,372
Speaker 10: two thirty six, which is my personal best. It has

2127
01:43:56,452 --> 01:43:59,652
Speaker 10: taken a long time, but this year, given the knowledge

2128
01:43:59,692 --> 01:44:01,852
Speaker 10: that we've got of how I operate and what I

2129
01:44:01,933 --> 01:44:03,692
Speaker 10: need to actually achieve in my training before being able

2130
01:44:03,732 --> 01:44:05,053
Speaker 10: to do that in competition, we were able to turn

2131
01:44:05,053 --> 01:44:07,652
Speaker 10: it around really quickly. And so I think I think

2132
01:44:07,692 --> 01:44:11,053
Speaker 10: for me that that ability to know that at any

2133
01:44:11,053 --> 01:44:13,053
Speaker 10: given moment, even if I'm not jumping those heights in

2134
01:44:13,093 --> 01:44:16,892
Speaker 10: training and feeling like I'm completely sending it at training.

2135
01:44:17,253 --> 01:44:21,572
Speaker 10: The I suppose it's it's the clues and the hunts

2136
01:44:21,652 --> 01:44:25,133
Speaker 10: within the training, which we're starting to really understand really

2137
01:44:25,173 --> 01:44:27,692
Speaker 10: well as to what kind of shape I'm in is

2138
01:44:28,053 --> 01:44:30,652
Speaker 10: something that actually just makes me sleep way better at night.

2139
01:44:31,412 --> 01:44:33,812
Speaker 10: You know, in the past, it's it's always that constant

2140
01:44:33,853 --> 01:44:36,532
Speaker 10: stress of you know, have I have I been jumping

2141
01:44:36,572 --> 01:44:38,093
Speaker 10: well enough in training to the intern around in a

2142
01:44:38,093 --> 01:44:40,812
Speaker 10: competition and do really well. And I think that, you know,

2143
01:44:40,893 --> 01:44:42,933
Speaker 10: as we go through as process more and more, I

2144
01:44:43,333 --> 01:44:45,812
Speaker 10: do know that, you know, there are things in training

2145
01:44:45,853 --> 01:44:48,452
Speaker 10: I can do that really make me jump well in competition.

2146
01:44:48,692 --> 01:44:50,572
Speaker 10: And I suppose I'm talking about that from a from

2147
01:44:50,572 --> 01:44:52,933
Speaker 10: a perspective of in training, we don't actually jump that

2148
01:44:53,013 --> 01:44:56,932
Speaker 10: high often, and so I suppose it's just me contending

2149
01:44:56,973 --> 01:44:59,133
Speaker 10: with the fact that that's actually just normal and that's okay.

2150
01:45:00,013 --> 01:45:03,253
Speaker 3: So you were well known before Tokyo. Then in New

2151
01:45:03,372 --> 01:45:06,732
Speaker 3: Zealand after Tokyo you jumped up to every man, woman

2152
01:45:06,812 --> 01:45:09,213
Speaker 3: and child, knowing who hamoss Ker wars and what you

2153
01:45:09,333 --> 01:45:11,293
Speaker 3: look like. How have you how have you dealt with that,

2154
01:45:11,692 --> 01:45:13,932
Speaker 3: particularly when you come back into into New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: It's yeah, I mean, I think for me, I am

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01:45:18,973 --> 01:45:24,013
Speaker 10: very grateful for that. Like I remember idolizing a lot

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Speaker 10: of sporting heroes when I was growing up and notable

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01:45:26,572 --> 01:45:28,812
Speaker 10: news yonders, and I think, you know, for me, I

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Speaker 10: was just so motivated and so inspired by by what

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01:45:32,133 --> 01:45:34,173
Speaker 10: we can't achieve, you know, this little country can achieve

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Speaker 10: and what things we put put our country on the

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Speaker 10: map force. So I think, yeah, to kind of add

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01:45:39,173 --> 01:45:41,293
Speaker 10: high jump to that, it's it's not something I ever

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01:45:41,372 --> 01:45:43,892
Speaker 10: thought i'd be able to do, but but yeah, I'm

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Speaker 10: just super grateful for that. So yeah, I love it

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01:45:46,013 --> 01:45:48,253
Speaker 10: when when kids come up to me and, you know,

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01:45:48,412 --> 01:45:52,532
Speaker 10: ask me for some high jump tips, I usually tell

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Speaker 10: them that there's my coach's job, not mine. But yeah,

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Speaker 10: it's it's it's very it's very very cool.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 10: But yeah it can be funny as well, Like I

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01:46:01,133 --> 01:46:03,652
Speaker 10: am suck what sucks. So it's sort of not easy

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01:46:03,732 --> 01:46:06,052
Speaker 10: to hide at the best of times. If I'm feeling

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Speaker 10: like I'm not quite up for you always got to

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01:46:07,893 --> 01:46:09,572
Speaker 10: show up with a good face on, right.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of fame, you are of course aware that you

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01:46:12,933 --> 01:46:15,372
Speaker 3: are one of the biggest memes in the entire world.

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01:46:16,492 --> 01:46:19,812
Speaker 3: With the Tokyo pull out, there's always sort of they're

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01:46:19,853 --> 01:46:22,652
Speaker 3: not mentioning that you know you've put willfully pulled out.

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Speaker 3: If people haven't seen it. You're running in and you go, well,

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01:46:24,692 --> 01:46:26,093
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make it so you jump under

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01:46:26,133 --> 01:46:29,372
Speaker 3: the bar and it's used a lot for references to

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01:46:30,253 --> 01:46:33,612
Speaker 3: people doing certain things, so that that's huge. I mean

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Speaker 3: that's billions and billions of views on that particular meme.

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Speaker 16: I love it.

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Speaker 10: It's so funny like seeing those pop up, especially when

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Speaker 10: like when I'll just be at home kind of like

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Speaker 10: scrolling Instagram whatever, and I pop up. Never quite used

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01:46:49,412 --> 01:46:51,333
Speaker 10: to it. It's funny these days, like people will still

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01:46:51,372 --> 01:46:53,772
Speaker 10: seeing it to me, like, oh, look, you're a meme.

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01:46:53,933 --> 01:46:56,452
Speaker 10: It's like, yeah, yeah, sure, I am.

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01:46:56,612 --> 01:46:57,013
Speaker 2: I made it.

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Speaker 10: It's almost like how good people's current meme status is,

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01:47:02,893 --> 01:47:04,372
Speaker 10: whether they actually know what's going on or not.

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01:47:04,732 --> 01:47:05,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true.

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01:47:05,452 --> 01:47:08,572
Speaker 3: I think the reason it's such a successful me is

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01:47:08,612 --> 01:47:11,133
Speaker 3: because you look so confident as you're coming in, and

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01:47:11,173 --> 01:47:14,812
Speaker 3: you've got this great stride and you're looking so strong,

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01:47:14,933 --> 01:47:17,412
Speaker 3: and then obviously you know you're pulling out because you're like,

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01:47:17,412 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this jump, I'm not going

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01:47:18,612 --> 01:47:19,812
Speaker 3: to make it, and then you just the way you

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01:47:19,933 --> 01:47:20,652
Speaker 3: flop under it.

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01:47:20,772 --> 01:47:24,932
Speaker 2: The sweet dive. It's a beautiful maker or not? Yeah

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01:47:25,053 --> 01:47:27,133
Speaker 2: exactly mate, Hey Hamosh, we love in this shad are

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01:47:27,133 --> 01:47:28,892
Speaker 2: You're right to hang with us for a few more minutes.

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01:47:29,213 --> 01:47:31,692
Speaker 2: We've got some punishing Christmas questions for you, so you

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01:47:31,772 --> 01:47:33,333
Speaker 2: just hold there, mate, and we'll get those to you

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01:47:33,572 --> 01:47:36,452
Speaker 2: very shortly. We are talking to Hamish curR as part

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Speaker 2: of our Christmas catchups with top people. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: News Talk zed be back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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01:47:45,452 --> 01:47:49,213
Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk s'd be.

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01:47:49,492 --> 01:47:52,213
Speaker 2: There's fourteen to four and we are talking to Hamish

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01:47:52,253 --> 01:47:56,253
Speaker 2: cur part of our Christmas catch ups with kickers. Kiwi's Hamish,

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01:47:56,293 --> 01:47:57,253
Speaker 2: thanks again for your time.

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01:47:57,772 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 3: What is your What does the Christmas break summer break

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01:48:00,412 --> 01:48:01,412
Speaker 3: look like for you, Hamish?

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01:48:01,652 --> 01:48:05,093
Speaker 10: For me often I will be training through so I'm

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01:48:05,133 --> 01:48:07,173
Speaker 10: sort of in quite a big training block at the moment.

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01:48:07,333 --> 01:48:11,652
Speaker 10: But yeah, for me, it's about beach family, just enjoying

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01:48:11,692 --> 01:48:13,933
Speaker 10: time spend with them. I don't get as much as

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01:48:13,973 --> 01:48:16,812
Speaker 10: I'd love these days to spend time with family, So yeah,

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01:48:16,893 --> 01:48:18,932
Speaker 10: that will be coming down to christ Church and spend

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01:48:19,013 --> 01:48:21,372
Speaker 10: Christmas Day with me and hopefully sticking around for a

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01:48:21,372 --> 01:48:23,892
Speaker 10: couple of days before they all go to the various

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01:48:23,933 --> 01:48:24,652
Speaker 10: corners of the country.

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Speaker 2: Nice great answer. What is on the menu on Christmas

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01:48:28,013 --> 01:48:29,412
Speaker 2: Day or what do you hope is on the menu.

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01:48:30,973 --> 01:48:34,932
Speaker 10: Well, I'm semi responsible for Christmas at dinner this year,

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01:48:35,812 --> 01:48:37,973
Speaker 10: given that I am hosting, which is a little bit

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01:48:38,093 --> 01:48:42,972
Speaker 10: nerve wracking, but we have We've actually ordered my food

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01:48:42,973 --> 01:48:45,133
Speaker 10: bag Christmas, so that's just gonna be coming.

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01:48:45,412 --> 01:48:46,892
Speaker 2: Well played, man, well played.

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01:48:47,893 --> 01:48:49,852
Speaker 10: So yeah, salmon. I think there'll be a bit of

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01:48:49,933 --> 01:48:53,732
Speaker 10: lamb and heaps of salads. So yeah, I make sure

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01:48:53,933 --> 01:48:56,372
Speaker 10: I train double for the week after, just to better off.

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01:48:57,293 --> 01:49:01,333
Speaker 3: We're talking to Olympic high jump champion Hamish Curve, real

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01:49:01,572 --> 01:49:06,852
Speaker 3: tree or fake tree in the Kerr family, real.

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01:49:06,732 --> 01:49:10,532
Speaker 10: Tree at home, but these days I would be going

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Speaker 10: fake tree. Unfortunately I don't. I don't support the baby

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01:49:14,253 --> 01:49:17,133
Speaker 10: baby pine tree industry too much, so yeah, fake tree.

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01:49:18,452 --> 01:49:21,213
Speaker 2: That's great. What is the best present you've ever received?

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01:49:22,293 --> 01:49:26,973
Speaker 10: Best present? I think probably on brand with with what

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01:49:27,053 --> 01:49:30,892
Speaker 10: I do day to day. In year six I actually

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01:49:30,933 --> 01:49:32,532
Speaker 10: got given my first if a peer of hig jump

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01:49:32,572 --> 01:49:35,932
Speaker 10: spipes from Mum and Dare. They went down to Dress

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01:49:35,933 --> 01:49:38,612
Speaker 10: Smart and I remember packing them out. I can't imagine

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01:49:38,652 --> 01:49:41,612
Speaker 10: why they are at an outleat shop, you know, being

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01:49:41,692 --> 01:49:44,412
Speaker 10: as such a mainstream sport. But yeah, they were down

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Speaker 10: there and so I picked them up, and yeah, I

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01:49:46,372 --> 01:49:48,532
Speaker 10: just love them and obviously it's kind of set up

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01:49:48,532 --> 01:49:49,133
Speaker 10: my career.

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01:49:49,973 --> 01:49:52,972
Speaker 3: We're really pushing the gratitude thing on our show this year.

2254
01:49:53,013 --> 01:49:55,772
Speaker 3: It's been a real theme, so we'll push that barrow

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Speaker 3: with you. What are you grateful for this year? Hamous?

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01:49:58,893 --> 01:50:01,492
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh, good question. I mean I feel like I'm

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01:50:01,492 --> 01:50:04,333
Speaker 10: grateful for so many things, but probably the big one

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01:50:04,372 --> 01:50:06,732
Speaker 10: for me is I'm grateful for the people around me

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01:50:06,772 --> 01:50:09,452
Speaker 10: who I can pick up the and have a really good,

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01:50:09,572 --> 01:50:12,892
Speaker 10: kind of deep and meaningful chat with. I wouldn't say

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01:50:12,933 --> 01:50:17,213
Speaker 10: that my job is easy all the time, and there

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01:50:17,253 --> 01:50:19,772
Speaker 10: are a lot of stressful times and pretty scary moments

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01:50:19,812 --> 01:50:21,372
Speaker 10: have to go through, so to know that I can,

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01:50:21,812 --> 01:50:24,013
Speaker 10: I can do those things and still front up, but

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01:50:24,053 --> 01:50:25,333
Speaker 10: then also be able to pick up the phone and

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01:50:26,013 --> 01:50:28,173
Speaker 10: feel like I'm not alone in those moments, especially with

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01:50:28,293 --> 01:50:31,732
Speaker 10: my girlfriend and you know, my friends and my family. Yeah,

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01:50:31,812 --> 01:50:33,652
Speaker 10: the other people I'm really grateful for.

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Speaker 2: That is beautiful. And finally, Hamish, what is your favorite

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01:50:37,333 --> 01:50:37,932
Speaker 2: Christmas song?

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01:50:38,692 --> 01:50:42,253
Speaker 10: I would have to say that my guilty pleasure would

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01:50:42,293 --> 01:50:44,092
Speaker 10: be Mistletoe by Justin Bieber.

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01:50:44,893 --> 01:50:47,812
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, I'm just trying to think how that goes.

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01:50:47,893 --> 01:50:48,972
Speaker 2: But that is a guilty pleasure.

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01:50:49,053 --> 01:50:49,772
Speaker 3: Look, we'll have a listen.

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01:50:49,933 --> 01:50:51,532
Speaker 10: I'm not going to sing it, but it is a

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01:50:51,612 --> 01:50:52,653
Speaker 10: modern classica.

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01:50:52,732 --> 01:50:54,253
Speaker 2: Well there's good. We won't make you do that. We're

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01:50:54,253 --> 01:50:55,852
Speaker 2: going to play it right now for your Hamish. But

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01:50:55,933 --> 01:50:59,812
Speaker 2: it's been fantastic to catch up. Congratulations on another huge

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01:50:59,893 --> 01:51:01,293
Speaker 2: year and all the beast for next year.

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01:51:01,532 --> 01:51:03,932
Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks peep for having on guys. Enjoy the Christmas

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01:51:04,492 --> 01:51:07,053
Speaker 10: and holiday break and yeah get into an ex year.

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01:51:07,133 --> 01:51:09,852
Speaker 2: Yep, you too, mate, Mary Chris, that is great New

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01:51:09,933 --> 01:51:13,213
Speaker 2: Zealand the Olympic champion. Of course, Hamish cur you're listening

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01:51:13,293 --> 01:51:15,612
Speaker 2: to news talks eb and here is his Christmas song.

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01:51:17,053 --> 01:51:21,452
Speaker 16: It's the most beautiful summery lights for the streets, spreading

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01:51:21,572 --> 01:51:24,372
Speaker 16: so much to you. I should be playing in the

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01:51:24,492 --> 01:51:27,933
Speaker 16: winter snow, but I'm gonna be under the midsod so

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01:51:28,933 --> 01:51:31,893
Speaker 16: I don't want to miss out on a holiday. But

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01:51:32,133 --> 01:51:35,372
Speaker 16: it can't stop staring at your face. I should be

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01:51:35,572 --> 01:51:38,892
Speaker 16: playing in the winter snow, but I'm gonna be under

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01:51:38,973 --> 01:51:56,013
Speaker 16: the miss sss. Everyone's gathering around the firm, just not

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01:51:56,173 --> 01:51:59,612
Speaker 16: supposed like a hatchet. I should reach you and the

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01:51:59,652 --> 01:52:02,732
Speaker 16: where of folks. I know I'm gonna be under the

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01:52:02,893 --> 01:52:06,732
Speaker 16: minesot word on the streets and it's coming, and then

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01:52:07,572 --> 01:52:10,452
Speaker 16: raindy is I didn't do this? Guy so high, I

2298
01:52:10,532 --> 01:52:13,852
Speaker 16: should be making a list. I know I'm gonna be

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01:52:14,253 --> 01:52:37,492
Speaker 16: under the Minnesota shorty and the missus. Shot show the missus.

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01:52:40,692 --> 01:52:44,133
Speaker 16: The wise man followed it like follows the way I

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01:52:44,412 --> 01:52:51,292
Speaker 16: followed by home and then let me meet you from Mircoila.

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01:52:52,732 --> 01:52:57,452
Speaker 16: Don't you baymin don't jibs. I ain't feeling one thing

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01:52:58,253 --> 01:52:58,852
Speaker 16: your lives.

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01:52:59,412 --> 01:53:00,293
Speaker 4: Oh my lift.

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01:53:01,173 --> 01:53:02,973
Speaker 16: That's a merry, merry Christmas.

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01:53:03,772 --> 01:53:05,692
Speaker 2: It's the most beautiful family.

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01:53:06,732 --> 01:53:10,253
Speaker 16: Lights fell the streets win so she I should be

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01:53:10,412 --> 01:53:15,972
Speaker 16: playing and the winter snow under the midso I don't

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01:53:16,013 --> 01:53:19,532
Speaker 16: want to miss out on the holiday. But against up

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01:53:19,612 --> 01:53:22,893
Speaker 16: staring at your friends, I should be playing and the

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01:53:23,013 --> 01:53:29,453
Speaker 16: winters snob, I will be under the missus. Yeah, shot.

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01:53:31,812 --> 01:53:32,612
Speaker 1: Shot you with you.

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01:53:40,732 --> 01:53:41,572
Speaker 2: Shot away.

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01:53:45,853 --> 01:53:53,692
Speaker 16: Yea under from miss unders need to underneath the middle.

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01:53:54,652 --> 01:54:04,652
Speaker 1: You love me? So oh, kiss me, kiss me to

2316
01:54:04,812 --> 01:54:15,933
Speaker 1: the middle to you love me. The big stories, the

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01:54:16,053 --> 01:54:19,852
Speaker 1: big issues, the big trends, and everything in between. Matt

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01:54:19,893 --> 01:54:22,892
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

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01:54:22,772 --> 01:54:26,532
Speaker 2: Be very good afternoon five to four.

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01:54:27,133 --> 01:54:30,093
Speaker 3: What a great new Zealander. Hamoskua is a amazing great key.

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01:54:30,173 --> 01:54:33,052
Speaker 3: We Hey, thanks so much for listening everyone. As always,

2322
01:54:33,373 --> 01:54:36,333
Speaker 3: we've loved the chats today, loved all your calls. It's

2323
01:54:36,373 --> 01:54:38,253
Speaker 3: been a great old time. The podcast will be out

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01:54:38,293 --> 01:54:40,733
Speaker 3: and about now. If you missed anything, We've got a

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01:54:40,772 --> 01:54:43,293
Speaker 3: real Christmas treat for you. Up next it's Ryan Bridge

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01:54:43,293 --> 01:54:47,052
Speaker 3: and for Heather Lucky after four. But right now, Tyler,

2327
01:54:47,693 --> 01:54:50,012
Speaker 3: my very good friend, tell me why am I playing

2328
01:54:50,093 --> 01:54:51,573
Speaker 3: this song by super Tramp?

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01:54:51,853 --> 01:54:55,653
Speaker 2: Oh what a June. Give a little bit because we

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01:54:55,733 --> 01:54:58,892
Speaker 2: were talking about just giving a little bit at the checkout.

2331
01:54:59,173 --> 01:55:01,173
Speaker 2: You might feel a bit bad. You can say no,

2332
01:55:01,733 --> 01:55:03,132
Speaker 2: but it does go to a good cause.

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01:55:04,053 --> 01:55:06,213
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, tried to call the forces the text of

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01:55:06,253 --> 01:55:08,053
Speaker 3: it and get through. I work for food Stuff and

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01:55:08,093 --> 01:55:11,052
Speaker 3: I can confirmed that the store owners regularly make donation

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01:55:11,173 --> 01:55:15,972
Speaker 3: payments to school, sports clubs, et cetera. People Remember, please

2337
01:55:15,973 --> 01:55:18,253
Speaker 3: don't cast judgment on things you don't know anything about.

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01:55:18,493 --> 01:55:21,253
Speaker 3: I would advise individuals to donate to churches as well.

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01:55:22,333 --> 01:55:23,772
Speaker 2: Jeff fair enough too.

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01:55:23,853 --> 01:55:27,012
Speaker 3: I've been told here's a guarantee I will make judgments

2341
01:55:27,053 --> 01:55:29,373
Speaker 3: on things I don't know about going forward, But if

2342
01:55:29,413 --> 01:55:33,213
Speaker 3: you text me, I will read your text out.

2343
01:55:33,333 --> 01:55:34,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely if I get it wrong.

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01:55:35,133 --> 01:55:39,092
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas everyone, have a great recipe afternoon until tomorrow.

2345
01:55:39,213 --> 01:55:42,932
Speaker 3: AFO give my taste a keiwi from Matt.

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01:55:42,893 --> 01:55:49,173
Speaker 2: Tyler Ay, I love you, hum, I'll give

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01:55:53,493 --> 01:55:56,373
Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B listen live on air

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01:55:56,613 --> 01:55:59,253
Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you

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01:55:59,373 --> 01:56:01,733
Speaker 1: go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio