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Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So investigators in Australia looking very closely now at these

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Speaker 2: suspected bond I shooters and their recent trip to the

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Speaker 2: Philippines spent most of November there, they traveled to a

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Speaker 2: region that's known to be a hotbed of Islamic extremism.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Clark Jones, an expert on extremism, also worked in

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Speaker 2: Philippine prisons and joins me this evening, good evening, good evening.

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Speaker 2: What do we need to know about Islamic extremism in

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Speaker 2: the Philippines And are the ISIS training camps there? What's

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Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 1: We've got to be careful, you know, how we expand

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Speaker 1: this I think Look, I would say I wouldn't class

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Speaker 1: it as a hotbed for violin the extreamism any longer.

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Speaker 1: There's been some very successful operations by the Armed Forces

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Speaker 1: of the Philippines, the Philippine National Police and foreign counterparts

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Speaker 1: at addressing the threat of terrorism. That said, from my

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Speaker 1: current experience, I still work in the prison system there,

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Speaker 1: and from what I know of that there are still

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Speaker 1: active cells in the Philippines, such as Islaming State East

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Speaker 1: Asia ABISIF and other small elements operating. So when there

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Speaker 1: was a connection to the recent atrocities or terrorist attack

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Speaker 1: in Bondi. I was well surprised there was some sort

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Speaker 1: of link to the Philippines, but not surprised that terrorism

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Speaker 1: is probably still active, but not to the scale that

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Speaker 1: I've heard in some media sources calling it a hot

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Speaker 1: bed for terrorism.

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Speaker 2: Right when you say active, what do you mean.

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Speaker 1: That they still still have the ideological will to attack

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Speaker 1: government forces? Last year, I think there were twenty one

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Speaker 1: small scale attacks by various groups in the Philippines. I

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Speaker 1: know that it's with some that are incarcerated. They're still

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Speaker 1: very very active, So they still have a will to

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Speaker 1: cause harm, to cause terrorst finance, So you know that

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Speaker 1: hasn't that hasn't gone away. But the Philippines is different

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Speaker 1: from some other countries in that it's it's very socio

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Speaker 1: economic driven rather than religious driven. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that haves and the haves not. You know, people

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Speaker 1: a lot of inequality of those in Muslim inda now,

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Speaker 1: so there are different drivers. It's entwined with criminal behavior,

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Speaker 1: quitting up for RANSO and so forth, clan conflict, so

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Speaker 1: it's not straightforward just to talk about extremism, radicalization and

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Speaker 1: the terror. Terrorism what we know about.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate that thanks to you analysis doctor Clark Jones,

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Speaker 2: that Reshaped Justice Group has spent time in Philippine prisons.

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