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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: New stog said, be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: show coming up today. Former Green MP Gareth Hughes on

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Speaker 2: why the Greens should absolutely not use the waker jumping

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Speaker 2: legislation to get rid of Darlene Tana. The government's announced

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Speaker 2: it's relaxing the climate rules and what cars can be importable.

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Speaker 2: Chat to the Motivate Industry Association on that, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to find out what the University of Auckland actually

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Speaker 2: did wrong in the Susie Wilds case.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen on Darlene Taner.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not convinced yet, and I stress yet, I'm

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Speaker 2: not convinced yet that she needs to quit parliament like

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Speaker 2: Chloe wants her to. That report that's been done, from

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Speaker 2: what I understand, does not find that she is guilty

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Speaker 2: of migrant exploitation. What it finds, apparently is that she

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Speaker 2: FIBs to them, to the party. That is apparently she

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Speaker 2: gets busted fibbing, not just once, but as I say,

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Speaker 2: does not find against her on the migrant exploitation matters.

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Speaker 2: So the reason I'm telling you this is because it

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Speaker 2: slightly changes what we're talking about. Right, We're not talking

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Speaker 2: about an MP who is a proven migrant exploiter. We

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Speaker 2: are talking about an MP who's been busted in telling porkies.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely there are some character issues there, and they

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Speaker 2: may speak to bigger problems, but you know, a hell

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Speaker 2: of a lot less of a problem than exploiting a

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Speaker 2: poor migrant or two. So should she quit? This is

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Speaker 2: fundamentally the question should she quit over apparently fibbing. If

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Speaker 2: we're going to draw that line in the sand and

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Speaker 2: say she got busted telling porky, she needs to quit,

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Speaker 2: that's going to force a lot of our MPs to quit,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, because a lot of them tell the porkies.

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Speaker 2: I don't reckon that that's high. I don't reckon that

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Speaker 2: meets the standard of forcing an MP out. Mainly, to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, because I'd like to see life

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Speaker 2: made a little uncomfortable for the Greens because they put

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Speaker 2: her there. They must have liked when they're putting the

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Speaker 2: list together, they must have looked at it and thought, oh, look,

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Speaker 2: there's a mildy woman involved. In a climate friendly small

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Speaker 2: business like electric bikes. That's awesome. Ley's chuck her on

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Speaker 2: the list. That'll make us look diverse and down with

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Speaker 2: the people. But so it suited them then, But they

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Speaker 2: didn't do their due diligence, did they, And now it

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Speaker 2: does suit them anymore to have that person that they

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Speaker 2: want to get rid of her. Now that would be

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Speaker 2: just a little too convenient for them, wouldn't it to

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Speaker 2: us of the kinds of characters, because there are many

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Speaker 2: of them that the Greens bring in. But also, more importantly,

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Speaker 2: this is how democracy works. You vote for a party

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Speaker 2: based on their diverse list that happens to include Darlene Tanna.

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Speaker 2: You look at the list, you go, geez, that's a

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Speaker 2: great list. I'm going to vote for that party. She

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Speaker 2: also then gets her own share of personal votes given

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Speaker 2: to her. She has earned her place. And it should

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Speaker 2: be a very very high threshold for someone who's democratically elected,

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Speaker 2: whether in a seat or on a list, to be

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Speaker 2: removed from Parliament. It shouldn't be because it is now

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Speaker 2: have her around anymore. Now, absolutely, I take that she will.

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent add no value as a Green MP

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Speaker 2: not like we lose anything if she stays, other than

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Speaker 2: the text number. Standard text fees apply. Now, how do

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Speaker 2: you feel about an inheritance inheritance tax? It is understood

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Speaker 2: that Labor is considering whether they advocate for an inheritance

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Speaker 2: Now what happens in Ireland is they don't pay any

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Speaker 4: Now, hey, Jeff, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: You like the Irish version of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure I like any versions of inheritance text,

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Speaker 4: like the Irish version, do have an exemption, both for

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Speaker 2: Oh so your personal house you can inherit from your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, different jurisdictions have different rules, but in principle most

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Speaker 2: Yet, why don't you like an inheritance tax?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there are some really good arguments for

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Speaker 4: it from a wealth redistribution and an equity sense. It

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Speaker 4: it's a decent source of revenue for the government. There

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Speaker 4: are a number of reasons why you might not like it.

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Speaker 5: It can get very.

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Speaker 4: Complex to administer because it's based on valuations it can

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Speaker 4: drive some really unwelcome economic behaviors because you've got to

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Speaker 4: find cash to pay it, and therefore you might realize

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Speaker 4: you might sell a family business, or you might realize

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Speaker 4: some sets that are not yet you know, that's not

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Speaker 4: the right time to do that. And then the final

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Speaker 4: thing is people tend to hate it. Voters don't like it.

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Speaker 2: No, I would have thought so. I mean, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: seems like it's death to the party who comes out

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Speaker 2: with the death tax. Right. Is there an argument for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there are some reasonable arguments for doing it.

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Speaker 4: The OECD often recommends that we consider it. We're outliers

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Speaker 4: in a couple of senses. One is we don't have

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Speaker 4: a capital a broad based capital gains tax, and therefore

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Speaker 4: an inheritance tax would act as a sort of a sweeper,

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Speaker 4: a cover in the life to pick up some of that.

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Speaker 4: And then the other reason is the economic reason, which

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Speaker 4: wealth inequalities. That's why, you know, that's why the OECD

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Speaker 4: recommends it. But voters don't like them.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely. Do you think just on the capital gains

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Speaker 6: I think it's shifted a bit, but I'm biased.

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Speaker 4: I was a member of the Tax Working Group in

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Speaker 4: twenty eighteen that recommended one, but I think it has

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Speaker 4: shifted it. I think people are starting to look forward.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 4: a tax revenue shortage in this country over the next

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Speaker 4: twenty or thirty years. Treasury is projecting unless we deeply

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Speaker 4: slash government expenditure, and I don't think you know, the

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Speaker 4: voters have not indicated they want to deeply slash They

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Speaker 4: want to control it, but they don't want to deeply

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Speaker 4: and probably the most sensible thing to go to would

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Speaker 2: Jeff, there is a text that's come through. Can I

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Speaker 2: please ask Jeff. This is Heather. Can you please ask Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Wod asset's owned by a family trust likely attract the

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Speaker 2: inheritance test because that tax because there would be a

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Speaker 2: big growth coming for trusts.

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Speaker 7: If so, yes, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it's all in the question of design. But almost

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Speaker 4: certainly if you wanted the inheritance tax to stick, you

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Speaker 4: would have to apply it to family trust and somehow

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Speaker 4: transferred the exemptions over New Zealand. Did you just have

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Speaker 4: an inheritance tax? We got rid of it in nineteen

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Speaker 4: ninety two, but it was very unpopular. But in those

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Speaker 4: days there was a lot of effort. You know, tax

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Speaker 4: advisors like me made good business out of putting people

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Speaker 4: into trust and trying to avoid the thing. And that's

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Speaker 4: the other kind of argument against them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so from a personal point of view, actually, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: it might suit you if we bring these complicated things.

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Speaker 2: And thank you very much for your time. I appreciated, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Nightingale, Independent Tax Advice. Geez, I'm having trouble with

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Speaker 2: the English today. Sorry, bear with me. I'll explain to

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Speaker 2: you why, and then you will understand why, and then

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Speaker 2: you'll cut me a whole bunch of just like we'll

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Speaker 2: get to that. What about Lulu sin though, Eh, Lulu,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to come to work yesterday. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: When I heard the seven o'clock bulletin and ZB I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh jeez, I can't believe I'm missing work today.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Lulu. What an absolute legend.

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Speaker 2: She's come out of nowhere. Thank god she switched to

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Speaker 2: us A. I mean, there are times where you're like, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: you should be a defector, and this is one of

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Speaker 2: these times. Her next match, by the way, if you

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Speaker 2: want to catch is tonight. She's playing Croatias on a

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Speaker 2: vickage and this will be the first quarter final. You

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Speaker 2: can watch it on TV and Z one. It'll be

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Speaker 2: on eleven fifty five. I don't think that they actually

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Speaker 2: when they start the prattle before the actual game they

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Speaker 2: play after midnight. Now here's the thing. Okay, she's done well.

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Speaker 2: I mean she's she's defied the odds, but these are

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Speaker 2: the odds for her. Her ranking this is Lulu's ranking

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Speaker 2: as one hundred and twenty three and Donna from Croatia's

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap.

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Speaker 3: For business used talks at.

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Speaker 2: Byah, can the government tax me for a headache? Because

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Speaker 2: that's all I will be left with is a fair

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Speaker 2: point eighteen pass four. Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters

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Speaker 2: with me right now. Hello, Darcy. Don't give them any ideas, no,

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Speaker 2: just to hop that don't because their next minute Barbara

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Speaker 2: Edmonds is taking it to the Labour Party conference and

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Speaker 2: they're thinking about taxi your headache as well? Dars? How

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Speaker 2: late was that tackle? That was a disgrace?

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Speaker 8: Ah?

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Speaker 9: I think possibly three to four.

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Speaker 2: Years mate, Okay, so what they've.

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Speaker 9: Said it's unacceptable, right dya mal Graham? Or they can't

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Speaker 9: do anything about it, can they?

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Speaker 2: This sucks? This is I mean, like, look, I love

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Speaker 2: hating on the referees. There's gonna be another reason to

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Speaker 2: hate on them. So it's it happens, it's pointed out

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Speaker 2: to the ref The ref sees it as what head high,

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Speaker 2: not late, and goes it's not hit high, but it

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Speaker 2: was late. Ignores that fact, which means the Warriors don't

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Speaker 2: get the penalty. They could have won the game. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was very material.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 9: However, how many errors from the referee have been advantageous

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Speaker 9: to the Warriors?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know, but you go back over history

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Speaker 9: Sometimes sometimes they haven't got the rubber of the green.

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Speaker 2: Look does it was just so obvious the commentators could

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Darcy? All Right, Darcy water Gravell, we're back

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 3: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Heather, what time is her tennis game? Tracy? The tennis

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Speaker 1: Next, find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll tell you what labour will be dicing with

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on newstogs.

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Speaker 2: US President Joe Biden's team is in full damage control

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Speaker 2: after the news broke out of Parkinson's expert being a

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Speaker 2: regular visitor to the White House in recent times. A

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Speaker 12: Has the President been treated for Parkinson's?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 12: Is he taking medication for Parkinson's?

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Speaker 12: Things that I can give you, full blown answers on

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Speaker 2: A seventy two hour curfew has been imposed in Alice

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Speaker 14: Take the handcuffs off the police, Let the police do

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Speaker 2: And finally, the UK Coastguard has retrieved an ice cream

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Speaker 2: what happened to all the ice.

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Speaker 1: Cream International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 10: Now, how mus good afternoon, Heather Mauz.

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Speaker 2: curfew at the start of the week when people always

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Speaker 2: get on the turps at the end of the week.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, good point, And there's a one thousand and

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Speaker 8: one question swirling around about this. You'll recall earlier this

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Speaker 8: year there was a three week curfew, violence vanished off

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Speaker 8: the streets.

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Speaker 10: This one will run three days, expires on third. But

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Speaker 10: I heard that.

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Speaker 8: Clip you just played there. It's not just about policing.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the police can go on there and arrest everybody,

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Speaker 8: but there aren't enough the jail cells and Alice Springs

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Speaker 8: and anywhere else in the Northern Territory for that matter,

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Speaker 8: to take everybody.

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Speaker 10: It's much more complex than just wallapers going in and

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Speaker 10: you know, banging heads with billy clubs.

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Speaker 8: It is a really complex, highly highly integrated kind of

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Speaker 8: all branches of government.

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Speaker 10: Solution required here.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you had four off duty police officers, three women,

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Speaker 8: one fella going home on Sunday morning attacked by twenty

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Speaker 8: young people. There was a police officer run over outside

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Speaker 8: a bottle shop last Friday night. A woman stabbed on Sunday.

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Speaker 8: Now you know what's the answer. No, one's got an answer.

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Speaker 8: A lot of these kids come from dysfunctional homes. There's

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Speaker 8: no home to go to. They're not getting fed, they're

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Speaker 8: not getting clean clothes, they're not going to school. And

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Speaker 8: it's just really simplistic to say it's a police issue.

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Speaker 8: It's a whole lot more than that. Ever, where the

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Speaker 8: answer lies on bugget of my note?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know either. I mean I think

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Speaker 2: they've got to find it within themselves unfortunately. And Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs listen, speaking of violence, though, You've got a guy

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Speaker 2: who is charged with stabbing his partner to death, who's

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Speaker 2: actually peared in court.

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Speaker 8: Now look if he hasn't, he's about to a twenty

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Speaker 8: one year old fellow. The allegation is that he stabbed

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Speaker 8: a twenty one year old woman who's partnered to death.

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Speaker 10: Yesterday run away from the home they shared and ended.

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Speaker 8: Up back I think at the family home about ten

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Speaker 8: k's away. Now, to say that's the tip of the

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Speaker 8: iceberg is ridiculous. There's a new start out this afternoon

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Speaker 8: in the Australian newspaper over here, the Murdoch Press.

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Speaker 10: Have a listen to this. Are you sitting down? Up

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Speaker 10: to ten times as many.

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Speaker 8: Women are taking their own lives as those who were

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Speaker 8: murdered by their abuses. And here's another stat from a

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Speaker 8: Sydney lawyer we spoke to this morning. She specialized in

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Speaker 8: domestic violence. She's an Indigenous woman herself, a victim of DV,

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Speaker 8: a victim of sexual assault. She says, nearly two women

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Speaker 8: dying every week in this country at the hands of

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Speaker 8: their abusive partners. And here's another stat I want to

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Speaker 8: share with you. This lawyer who is in the front

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Speaker 8: line of all of this. She's dealing with these women

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Speaker 8: every single day and their kids. She says, ninety percent

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Speaker 8: of women who are getting flogged by their partners or

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Speaker 8: getting sexually assaulted by their partners don't even bother reporting

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Speaker 8: it to police. They either don't trust the police or

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Speaker 8: don't think it'll do any bloody good.

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Speaker 10: Can you imagine that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's wonderful. How much of what also is that

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Speaker 2: they're afraid of the retribution of their partner if they

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Speaker 2: do report it.

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Speaker 8: Of course, all of that, and you know it's not

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Speaker 8: just themselves they're concerned about.

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Speaker 10: They're worried about their kids. About their children.

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Speaker 8: Look what happened on Sunday morning in Sydney when that

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Speaker 8: guy allegedly set his house.

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Speaker 2: On five By the way, do we know what was

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Speaker 2: going on there with them?

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Speaker 10: No, we don't. They still haven't been able to speak

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Speaker 10: to them. He remains in a coma.

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Speaker 8: But the allegation is he splashed the patrol around the house,

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Speaker 8: set the joint on fire. One child said to a neighbor,

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Speaker 8: Daddy tried to kill.

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Speaker 2: Us rough man. There's something's gone very very wrong with

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Speaker 2: that guy. Hey listen, I see the Home Affairs Departments

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Speaker 2: ordered government wide audit of all Internet facing technology. That

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Speaker 2: suggests to me that they think that there's bugs.

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Speaker 10: Oh no, kidding about absolutely.

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Speaker 8: As we go to were this afternoon, me speaking to

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Speaker 8: you just today, there's a brand news story at the wires.

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Speaker 8: The Australian government and allies, which I guess includes Wellington,

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Speaker 8: are accusing a Chinese spy agency of targeting government and

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Speaker 8: private sector networks in this country. A major escalation of

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Speaker 8: concern at government level that this order comes after growing

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Speaker 8: concern about foreign interference and influence threats.

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Speaker 10: That's according to the ABC.

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Speaker 8: The government of course responsible is responsible for operating really

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Speaker 8: really sensitive things, I mean critical systems, safeguarding vital data.

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Speaker 10: I mean think about defense, think about social.

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Speaker 8: Security, and so there's a real concern that ever more

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Speaker 8: sophisticated foreign actors think China in this case is the

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Speaker 8: allegation getting smarter and better at sneaking in, pinching data

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Speaker 8: and then using it back against Australia. So this is

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Speaker 8: a is a federal government wide audit. Exactly what they

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Speaker 8: mean by Internet facing technology, I'm too dumb to understand that,

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Speaker 8: but suffice to say, very clever people are now carrying

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Speaker 8: out that order to try and make things a hell lot.

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Speaker 11: It just means.

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Speaker 2: It means your phone that's connected to the internet or

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Speaker 2: your laptop that's connected to the internet. That's all it means. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thanks for You're welcome anytime.

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Speaker 10: Muzy, You're clever.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Murray Olds, Australia correspondent here that

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Speaker 2: at seventy five. I'm amongst the last of those who

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Speaker 2: paid inheritance tax all the way back in nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: My dad was a hard working man who saved hard,

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Speaker 2: and it was quite galling to have to write a

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Speaker 2: significant check to the government, especially when others around him

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Speaker 2: had spent or wasted their money. Additionally, a lot of

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Speaker 2: time and mental energy was wasted by professionals, and I

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Speaker 2: was one devising ways to avoid the tax trusts, et cetera. Lindsey,

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Speaker 2: you take your experience to make the world a better place.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Barry Soper's the next quarter.

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Speaker 1: To politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with us. Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon her does So what do you make of

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Speaker 2: Darling Taner Well, I think she needs to leave.

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Speaker 15: Well, we haven't seen the report, which is a big

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Speaker 15: problem because if as Chloe Swarbrick suggested this morning, that

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Speaker 15: the only person that's holding up the making public of

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Speaker 15: the report is Darlene Tana herself, well, she's been unavailable

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Speaker 15: for comment anywhere. And if it is as you say

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Speaker 15: that she wasn't involved in migrant exploitation that I think

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Speaker 15: would come as news.

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Speaker 2: No, I just say the report didn't find that.

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Speaker 15: Didn't find it. Well, if that's the case, it come

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Speaker 15: as news to the caucus of the Green Party, the

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Speaker 15: fourteen members excluding Darling Tana, because they've all said that,

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Speaker 15: you know, she is unsuitable to be an MP. I mean,

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Speaker 15: if they can't sack her on telling Porky's because like

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Speaker 15: you said, all politicians tell Porky, so that that is

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Speaker 15: not a case. But the interesting thing to me is

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Speaker 15: that Tamaki Mikaldo, which is where she stood in the

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Speaker 15: electorate of and that was formerly the home of Madama Davidson,

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Speaker 15: who decided to get out.

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Speaker 10: She couldn't win it, and.

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Speaker 15: Neither of course could Darling Tana. She got two nine

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Speaker 15: hundred and twenty five votes, well behind the other two

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Speaker 15: Tutakai tash KEMP, who's that young Mauldi MP. She won

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Speaker 15: it by forty odd votes over Peni Hena, and of

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Speaker 15: course that's being contested at the moment as well. So

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Speaker 15: that's provided a lot of news what the Greens do

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Speaker 15: have available to them though, and don't forget they begrudgingly

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Speaker 15: supported the Rockert jumping legislation in twenty eighteen when it

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Speaker 15: was brought back as part of the coalition agreement between Labor.

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Speaker 10: And New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: First they are in their confidence and supply decided they

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Speaker 15: would support it. Well, you know, they've eaten a humble.

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Speaker 9: Pie once, although James Shaw said they swallowed a dead rat.

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Speaker 15: Well, I've done it once. And if they're really intent

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Speaker 15: on getting rid of Dahli and Tanna, they can simply

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Speaker 15: do it under this legislation, writing to the Speaker saying

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Speaker 15: that she's no longer a member.

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Speaker 9: Well, because as.

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Speaker 15: Themselves when they voted for the legislators.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're right. But their opposition to this goes all

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Speaker 2: the way back to Rod Donald. They have held the

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Speaker 2: firm that it should not be the place of party

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Speaker 2: leaders to be able to kick out MPs because those

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Speaker 2: MPs are now no longer convenient to them, which is

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Speaker 2: literally what they will be doing.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, but the argument was party leaders are having all

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Speaker 15: the total power. Well, in this case, it was the

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Speaker 15: party itself, the MPs, the fourteen members of the caucus

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Speaker 15: that decided that she should Gods, well, not everybody agrees

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Speaker 15: with their party leaders. And on this occasion, if you

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Speaker 15: listened to Chloe Swarbrick anyway, and we've got to take

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Speaker 15: their word for it because nobody else is talking that

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Speaker 15: she said unanimously behind it, Darlenana should go.

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Speaker 2: Do you think she should? Do you think she should

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Speaker 2: quit parliament?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Yes, I do?

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I mean she's lost the faith of her parliamentary colleagues.

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Speaker 15: And she got there on the Green ticket, so you

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Speaker 15: know she's got no choice. Independent, she'll have no power

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Speaker 15: whatsoever as a former Independence have shown on that place.

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Speaker 2: Can I talk to you about Biden?

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Speaker 15: Yes, indeed you can.

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Speaker 2: Is Luxon going to meet her?

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Speaker 15: Well, we'd love to know, wouldn't we because he'll be

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Speaker 15: rubbing shoulders certainly at the NATO summit, like this is.

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Speaker 2: What Parkinson's looks like? Can you just tick off whether

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Speaker 2: you see.

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Speaker 15: It's interesting because the New York Post that reported that

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Speaker 15: Biden's personal doctor met with Parkinson's expert.

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Speaker 10: What eight times?

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Speaker 15: The Press secretary said, he hasn't got Parkinson Parkinson's disease,

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Speaker 15: but I do hope he remembers this is Joe Biden

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Speaker 15: when he sees Chris lux and what he told us

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Speaker 15: when he was here almost eight years ago to the

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Speaker 15: day he was singing the praises of the Pacific and

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Speaker 15: America's place in it.

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Speaker 16: When the President and I took office, we made a

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Speaker 16: basic determination, and I mean this sincerely. We made a

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Speaker 16: determination in the Asia Pacific region is where much of

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Speaker 16: the history the twenty first century will be written. We

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Speaker 16: are a Pacific power. We have always been a Pacific power.

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Speaker 16: We are going nowhere. We mean what we say when

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Speaker 16: we say we are rebalancing to the Pacific.

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Speaker 10: This is where the action is going to be.

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Speaker 16: The energy and dynamism of this region is absolutely undeniable.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know, let's hope some of that dynamism rubs

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Speaker 15: off because in the four years that subsequent to that meeting,

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Speaker 15: Donald Trump took no notice of New Zealand or the

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Speaker 15: Pacific really at all, and even Biden's administration he seems

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Speaker 15: to have forgotten the words. So maybe there's a bit

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Speaker 15: of Parkinson's involved. Then what are you saying about the

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Speaker 15: Pacific when he was the vice president under Obama at that.

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Speaker 2: Time, Barry, thank you very much, appreciate as Barry Soper,

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Speaker 2: Senior political correspondence coming up seven away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers some Mike asking breakfast Darling Tanner.

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Speaker 17: The Green Party has asked Darlene to resign from parliament

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Speaker 17: following their report into allegations of migrant exploitation, joined now

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Speaker 17: by Green Party co leader Coe Swarbrick.

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Speaker 15: Are you saying she lied to you?

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Speaker 13: I'm real people's chance.

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Speaker 3: Yet, why don't you release a report so we can

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Speaker 3: find out how she lied to you?

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Speaker 18: I'm completely king.

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Speaker 13: Kill elsa reporting of given by consenters other people involved

659
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Speaker 13: with in the Green We've been crystal clear in the

660
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Speaker 13: findings of their report. Darling Tanner is not said to

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Speaker 13: be im padding emp but more so than that a

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Speaker 13: member of Parliament. I am not interested in this. Tips

663
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Speaker 13: at out and everybody's test interest to be escalate here

664
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Speaker 13: and for Darling to resign.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on the Mic Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with the Jaguar on News.

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Speaker 2: Talk said, b sorry, Heather, but I agree with Barry Darling.

668
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Speaker 2: Tana should be gone now and not remain as an

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Speaker 2: independent list MP for two and a half years. The

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Speaker 2: Green need to Greens need to invoke the Waker jumping legislation.

671
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Speaker 2: What does it matter, You're just gonna she's just gonna

672
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Speaker 2: be replaced by another useless green MP is going to

673
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Speaker 2: do nothing. It makes no difference whatsoever to you. It's

674
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Speaker 2: just it's just Darlene who does nothing sitting out there

675
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Speaker 2: as an independent versus the new guy who does nothing

676
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Speaker 2: sitting there as a green. I think there's more value

677
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Speaker 2: in her just making them feel uncomfortable the whole time,

678
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Speaker 2: reminding us of what's going on with the party. Anyway,

679
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Speaker 2: we're going to have to talk about the g strength thing.

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Speaker 2: Come on, New Zealand, stop it like this is ridiculous.

681
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Speaker 2: Can we not just all check ourselves about what prudes

682
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Speaker 2: we are?

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Speaker 13: So?

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Speaker 2: Oh mate, Amy Dixon from New Plymouth, Amy, you should

685
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Speaker 2: know better, has had a winge because she went to

686
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Speaker 2: the local pool or whatever with her children by boys,

687
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Speaker 2: and there were some birds wandering around with g strings on,

688
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Speaker 2: and she made the boys feel like, No, it did

689
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Speaker 2: not make the boys feel uncomfortable. They had the best

690
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Speaker 2: day of their lives because they saw naked butt. Made

691
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Speaker 2: Amy feel uncomfortable though, she said the togs are pornographic.

692
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Speaker 2: So she's gone on change dot org and she says

693
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Speaker 2: her family often feels uncomfortable and she wants everybody to

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Speaker 2: go with her and get the swimming pool to ban

695
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Speaker 2: the togs. Anyway, the swimming pool or the manager responded

696
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Speaker 2: by saying, yeah, all right, we'll have a think about it.

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Speaker 2: It's fair enough. At which point I don't know why,

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Speaker 2: but new Plymouth District Council Aquatics lead Mike Roberts has

699
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Speaker 2: got involved and he's the hero of the day because

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Speaker 2: he was like, no, actually overriding the manager. We're not

701
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Speaker 2: going to change anything about this is absolutely appropriate. Of

702
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Speaker 2: course it's appropriate. Do you know what we should do?

703
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Speaker 2: We should all pool our money together and buy Amy

704
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Speaker 2: a ticket to the Mediterranean so she can go see

705
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Speaker 2: what the rest of the world's doing with her butts

706
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Speaker 2: out in the sun and stop being weird about this.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about it in twenty minutes. Gareth Hughes, former

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Speaker 2: Green MP.

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Speaker 1: Next the only Drive show you can trust to ask

710
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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers by their facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Heather due to see Alan Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. The Greens are facing a conundrum. They've got

715
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Speaker 2: the power to kick Darlene Tunner out of Parliament under

716
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Speaker 2: the Walker jumping law. But they've made such a song

717
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Speaker 2: and dance of how much they opposed the law in

718
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Speaker 2: the past that using it would make hypocrites of them.

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Speaker 2: But if they don't use it, Darlene Tanner might stick

720
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Speaker 2: around because she so far ignored their request that she

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Speaker 2: resigned from Parliament over the report into her. Former Green's

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Speaker 2: MP Gareth hugheses with me on this, Hey, Gareth, Yeah, Heather,

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Speaker 2: do they use it or not?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 18: I would be really surprised if they did use it,

726
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Speaker 18: and it would be a huge departure for the Greens

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Speaker 18: to use it given their decades long opposition to it

728
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Speaker 18: under multiple leaders and multiple caucuses. They haven't used them past,

729
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Speaker 18: They've spoken out very strongly against it, so it would

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Speaker 18: surprise me if they did end up invoking it.

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Speaker 2: So why aren't they ruling it out?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, this is one a.

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Speaker 18: Little bit baffled, to be honest. I guess it's a

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Speaker 18: question you'd have to ask Chloe and the Green Party

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Speaker 18: while they're not you know, perhaps it looks like the

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Speaker 18: relationship really has broken down. So perhaps when you're in

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Speaker 18: a tough negotiation, you want to keep a little something

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Speaker 18: up your sleeve. That's just me speculating, But yeah, I

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Speaker 18: would be surprised if they invoked it.

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Speaker 2: So what you're suggesting is it might just be a

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Speaker 2: leverage to help her make her decision herself with the

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Speaker 2: threat of them using this potentially.

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Speaker 18: Oh, it's possible, you know, I'm just entirely speculating at

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Speaker 18: this point. You know, the party has voted against it

745
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Speaker 18: in parliament. They begrudgingly voted for it, describing it as

746
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Speaker 18: a dead rat in the twenty eighteen term when it

747
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Speaker 18: was a part of the commitment of being in government

748
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Speaker 18: alongside Labor in New Zealand first. So they've always spoken

749
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Speaker 18: out very strongly against it because of the fact that

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Speaker 18: it stifles the freedom of speech of elected representatives. It

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Speaker 18: sort of maintains the party dominance and the power of leaders.

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Speaker 18: We've got some of the most party dominated parliamentary mechanisms

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Speaker 18: in the entire developed world. Our parties are stronger in demand,

754
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Speaker 18: more than almost any other country. So this does strengthen

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Speaker 18: the hand of party leaders who have used it to

756
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Speaker 18: stifle defense descent within their parties. And that's why co

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Speaker 18: leaders like jennetfit Simon's and what Donald spoke out so

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Speaker 18: strongly against it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right. I agree with you on that, Gareth,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, appreciate time. Mate. That's Gareth Hughes,

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Speaker 2: former Greens MP Heather Do for z L. The government

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Speaker 2: has announced that they're relaxing the climate rules around imported

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Speaker 2: cars and these rules will now align with Australia's rules

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Speaker 2: and this basically means, in effect that we can start

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Speaker 2: bringing in some slightly more dirty cars than we were

766
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Speaker 2: able to before. The reason the government's doing this is

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Speaker 2: that the harsher rules would make cars about five and

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Speaker 2: a half thousand dollars more expensive each of them in

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Speaker 2: just three years. Amy Wiley is the chief executive of

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Speaker 2: the Motor Industry Association and with us now, hey, Amy,

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Speaker 2: hi here, how are you well?

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Speaker 8: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Are you on board with this?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? Absolutely? The targets that New Zealand have set from

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Speaker 5: twenty five to twenty twenty seven were so stringent they

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Speaker 5: got ahead of the source manufacturing country targets. And what

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Speaker 5: that means is that if we don't have cars that

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Speaker 5: are at a technological capability to deliver on those targets,

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Speaker 5: and all we're going to do is push penalties onto

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Speaker 5: consumers and make them pay more without any environmental or

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Speaker 5: social benefit, and it doesn't really make sense. So what

782
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Speaker 5: the governments come out and announced today is that they're

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Speaker 5: resetting targets. The targets are still still a stretch for importers.

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Speaker 5: They're not easy to achieve. They're still a stretch to achieve.

785
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Speaker 5: But it means that they're trying to time the achievement

786
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Speaker 5: of those targets with the product availability and customers willingness

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Speaker 5: to buy those vehicles as well.

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Speaker 2: If the harsher rules that were introduced under the Idean

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Speaker 2: government would have added five and a half thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: to each car, how much are these new more relaxed

791
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Speaker 2: rules going to going to add to it?

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Speaker 5: Are dearly nothing?

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Speaker 19: Okay, we've got to yeah, correct.

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Speaker 5: So all we've asked for is for targets that get

795
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Speaker 5: set that are still still tough for industry achieved. But

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Speaker 5: when we get our mix of zero emission vehicles and

797
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Speaker 5: we can offset the credits we earn from those against

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Speaker 5: some of the debit penalties for some of the slightly

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Speaker 5: dirtier and overall there's no cost impact to consumers and

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Speaker 5: we're nearly getting better.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the critics say that the problem is while

802
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Speaker 2: we're aligning with Australia in terms of you know what

803
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Speaker 2: we're expecting the emissions to be. The penalties are not

804
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: nearly as much. Like in Australia they pay about one

805
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Speaker 2: hundred and ten thousand dollars for each gram per kilometer

806
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: to travel that's above the threeshold for us, they're one

807
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: hundred and ten for US is just forty five bucks?

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Speaker 2: Is that a fair criticism?

809
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Speaker 1: Not?

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Speaker 5: Actually not true. So in Australia they set it one

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Speaker 5: hundred dollars per gram, but they only charge fifty percent

812
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Speaker 5: of that if they don't meet it, so it's only

813
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Speaker 5: fifty dollars in New Zealand from next year. It'll be

814
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Speaker 5: sixty seven dollars fifty a gram from twenty twenty five onwards,

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Speaker 5: so we're actually seventeen dollars fifty more.

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Speaker 2: Ah, good to know, Amy, thank you for setting the

817
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Speaker 2: record straight. That's Amy Wyley. Motor Industry Association Chief Executive.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Ellen, listen, we have just got.

819
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Speaker 2: One of the pages of the Darlene Tanner Report, so

820
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Speaker 2: it's been a little bit of you've just been doing

821
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Speaker 2: a bit of something something here to get a hold

822
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Speaker 2: of it, because obviously it's not actually been publicly released.

823
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Speaker 2: We've only got one page. I'd love to be able

824
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Speaker 2: to read it to you, but I literally cannot open

825
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Speaker 2: it on my computer because I am not a gen zer,

826
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Speaker 2: and I I've just got I've got the wrong program,

827
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Speaker 2: and now I've got a blank page. And now producer Laura,

828
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Speaker 2: who's much more technically savvy, is having to sort this

829
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Speaker 2: out for me to fix it. So when we get

830
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Speaker 2: that to you, I'm going to start reading you what

831
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: it says about Darlene Tana, so you don't have to

832
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: rely on what Chloe saying anymore. You can over yourself.

833
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Speaker 2: So stand by. We'll do that as quickly as we

834
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Speaker 2: possibly can. You will have seen a shot clock was

835
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Speaker 2: just in the bullets and just then has finally been

836
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Speaker 2: agreed that it will be shown on Eden Park's big

837
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Speaker 2: screens and also on TV this weekend. Come on, guys, like,

838
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: come on, why didn't you do this? But this is

839
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: basic stuff, Like the shot clock rule has been around

840
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Speaker 2: for some time. Right, it used to be ninety seconds

841
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: you'd have to do the conversion. Now it's sixty seconds.

842
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: You've got to do the conversion. Anybody who understands anything

843
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: about television or just sport would say Hecker's got sixty seconds,

844
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Speaker 2: stick it up on a clock on the on the screen.

845
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Speaker 2: So there's a bit of drama, like, you know, wh

846
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: while while Damien is trying to do his like look

847
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: once with serious face, look twice with a smile, and

848
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: then kick it, you'd be like, he's gonna do that

849
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Speaker 2: fast now because he's only got ten seconds, right, it's drama.

850
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: Apparently parently what's been going on in rugby is that

851
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: they have been relying on the refs just have a

852
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: little nice chat with the kicker be like, hey, you're

853
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: running out of time, harry out. But where's the drama

854
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: in that for the viewer? And this is this is

855
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: fundamentally the problem with the rugby officials. They're not ejecting

856
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: enough drama into the game. And drama is what's sport

857
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: is about. So thank god they finally come round to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if there's one good thing that comes out

859
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Speaker 2: of d Mac not getting that kick, it's this, isn't it?

860
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Speaker 2: Finally twenty twenty four we could put it up on

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Speaker 2: this green how good? Fourteen past five. By now you've

862
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Speaker 2: probably heard about byd right now you've heard about them.

863
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: Now's the time to buy one because the newest model

864
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: is just on the horizon, which means that the current

865
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: model needs to go and that what that means for

866
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Speaker 2: you is that there's never been a better time to

867
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Speaker 2: drive away in a Bydev Now. The current at O

868
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Speaker 2: three is now priced at just fifty one, nine hundred

869
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: and ninety dollars, which means you're going to save up

870
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Speaker 2: to five grand buying this thing. And if you're not

871
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: familiar with the bydat oh three, it's New Zealand's most

872
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: awarded EV which really already tells you everything you need

873
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Speaker 2: to know. It's got a whopping range of up to

874
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty k's features an ultra safe BYD

875
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: blade battery. And what's it going to cost to run?

876
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: You want to know that, well, running a Bydato three

877
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: is equal to paying only forty cents per liter of

878
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: petrol and that's even with the road user charges factored.

879
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,960
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880
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,680
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881
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: do not miss out. Test drive one for yourself today

882
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: at any BYD dealer and see for yourself how good

883
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: these things really are.

884
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: Forgever to see Alan you've got.

885
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: The page out, We're going to get you some of

886
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: that very very shortly. Although can you believe it, By

887
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: the way, it's eighteen plus five, can you believe it?

888
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: We are actually talking about people who want to ban

889
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 2: g strings from public pools. A mum in Taranaki thinks

890
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: it's time to do that because and she's got the

891
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 2: support by the way of one hundred and fifty others

892
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: in a petition. She says that this type of swimwear

893
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: is pornographic and that she was frustrated with having to

894
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: constantly be on alert at rivers and at pools for

895
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: the dread of g string. Sex and relationship expert Joe

896
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: Robertson is with me. Hello Joe, Hello, he's a miscun

897
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: is it?

898
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 10: Well?

899
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: I suppose it? Like that's a nice way of looking

900
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: at it. I'm looking at it going this is very prudish, Joe,

901
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: isn't it?

902
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: Now?

903
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 19: It's fun to talk about, you know, it's I think

904
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 19: it's a really great conversation around what do we do

905
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 19: and our kids are seeing stuff that maybe we don't like,

906
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 19: and we're all going to have different ideas about that,

907
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 19: about what we do and don't want our kids to see.

908
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 19: So it's you know, the g string conbo is backing

909
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 19: another very good conversation.

910
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Okay, do you think it's okay for young boys eight

911
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: years old to see a lady walk past with the

912
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: butt out in a G string? I, having three young

913
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: boys myself, am okay with that.

914
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 19: And the reason I'm okay with it is because bodies

915
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 19: are inherently great. So bodies are great, they're fun, they're

916
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 19: they're you know, we're like we use our bodies functional reasons.

917
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 19: But also they look beautiful and they're interesting to learn about.

918
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 19: And that's the position that I've always taken with my

919
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 19: kids is that if they're seeing something, even if I

920
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 19: might not think it's the best thing ever for them

921
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 19: to be exposed to at an early age, I use

922
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 19: it as an opportunity to talk to them. So if

923
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 19: they're seeing something on a beach, I would probably say, hey,

924
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 19: you looking at that woman? And then they'll maybe say yes,

925
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 19: and I'll go what do you think about it? What

926
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 19: do you think about those togs?

927
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Mostly they'll be like awesome. If you are a

928
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: parent who is who is very uncomfortable about ladies butts

929
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: out in the g strings, What do you say to.

930
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: The kids.

931
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 19: If you're uncomfortable about it? I would actually encourage you

932
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 19: first to reflect on that, so before saying anything like.

933
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: Why aren't you comfortable about you?

934
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 19: Yeah, Like, I would really want you to do some

935
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 19: good self reflections, develop some awareness around what that brings

936
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 19: up to you. And it probably brings up lots of

937
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 19: stuff from your own childhood, and so think about that,

938
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 19: and then you know what was good about the messages

939
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 19: you got about bodies growing up and what wasn't good?

940
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 19: How has it been damaging actually, and which do you

941
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 19: want to pass on or not to your own kids?

942
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I like where you're going with this, Joe, thank

943
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: you very much. So it's not about the butt. It's

944
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: about you. If you've got a problem with the butt,

945
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: that's Joe robertson Sex and Relationship Expert. Okay, listen, let's

946
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: deal with the bits that we've got. It's not a lot,

947
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: it's just one page of the report, but it's more

948
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: than we had before. So I'll get you through that shortly.

949
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: Five twenty Heather Duplicy.

950
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

951
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen, drive with one. You see, let's

952
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as.

953
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: They'd be whether I'm from New Plymouth. Comparing our butts

954
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: in New Plymouth to Mediterranean butts is a big stretch.

955
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: You said it five twenty three. Listen, I'm happy to

956
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: say I've been pleasantly surprised by the stuff news bulletin

957
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: that replaced news Hub on Saturday. I'm sorry for talking

958
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: about it today because I mean, it's like three full

959
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: bulletins later. But and I would have talked to you

960
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: about it yesterday, And this is my excuse. I would

961
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: have talked about it yesterday had I been here, but

962
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: I wasn't, So now's my first chance. Actually wasn't nearly

963
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: as ropey as I was expecting. Now, part of that

964
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: will be that they've managed to lock in a couple

965
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: of veteran TV people to pull the thing together. These

966
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: people know what they're doing, as a chap called Angus

967
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: Gelliesh's been at Newshub forever, and then a former EP

968
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: of Mine actually Executive producer of Mine, Claire Watson, both

969
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: of whom have decades of TV experience under their belt.

970
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: So this would have just been like that could have

971
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: done this in their sleep right. Having said so, I

972
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: actually think that they ought to be really proud of

973
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: themselves as a as a newspaper organization for managing to

974
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: pull this off. This is a really big ask of them.

975
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: But I stand by my prediction. This thing is going

976
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: to bleed audience because it's cheap, and it is really

977
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: obviously cheap. We have got very used to in this

978
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: country being very very spoiled with our expensive and flash

979
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: TV bulletins, big intro music. You know, it starts the

980
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: do do Do Do Do Do Do Do Doore Why

981
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: the news is on? And you go, and it's got

982
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: sweeping camera shot as they come into the studio and

983
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: the anchors standing up there in front of the screen,

984
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: all of the fancy stuff. Bulletin doesn't have it right

985
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: On Saturday, it had about three seconds of downbeat electronic

986
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: music before we basically get into the spoken stuff, and

987
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: then like another three seconds and then you're out of it.

988
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Ye're straight into a VR studio with the anchor sitting down.

989
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: It's very like half hour bulletin around the World, done

990
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: on the cheap. The camera work that is obviously done

991
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: by the reporters as shaky as all hell, like slightly

992
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: nauseating sometimes to watch. And there are so many zoom

993
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: interviews is there's almost as many as real interviews, if

994
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: not more. It's just all in all, I mean, it's

995
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: perfectly plausible. It gives you the news, which is what

996
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: you want, but it's just not as pleasant to watch.

997
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: I suspect that change right there from decades of having

998
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: our eyes pleased by the TV news is enough to

999
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: drive a whole lot of audience, if not back to

1000
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: TV ands, just away from the news altogether. Also, and

1001
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a problem for

1002
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: them if they keep on doing the editorial line that

1003
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: stuff takes. That's going to actually be a problem for

1004
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: them too, because stuff is pretty doo good. A right

1005
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: they are, but bleeding heart Graylynn type of people. News

1006
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Hub was a little bit like that as well. But

1007
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: it feels like stuff has just really ramp this up

1008
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: in the bulletin. I mean, I don't know if you've

1009
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: seen it, but they have had two stories now about

1010
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: how awesome the bay of plenty black power bosses because

1011
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: he went to university now in gray Lynn's that's awesome,

1012
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: what a lovely story. The rest of the country. Mm hm, No,

1013
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: we do not buy that, so that's only going to

1014
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: appeal to certain and I suspect very small numbers of viewers.

1015
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: So one hundred percent good on these guys for pulling

1016
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: it off. It was way better than expected. But I

1017
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: still suspect it's going to go the way of every

1018
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: other TV bulletin in the future, which is it's going

1019
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: to end at some stage. Ever do here we go?

1020
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: This is page two of twelve of the Darlene Tunner Report,

1021
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: written by rachel Bert. Rachel Bert quite clearly was not

1022
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: asked to look at migrant exploitation and whether Darling Tunna

1023
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: was actually involved in it. She says, she was basically

1024
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: looked at. I was asked to ascertain what steps, if any,

1025
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: Darlene took to inform the Green Party of the dispute.

1026
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: So was she telling the party what was going on

1027
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: with her husband's business and whether she was operationally involved

1028
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: in e cycles en Z when the breaches of employment

1029
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: standards or conditions were it alleged to have taken place,

1030
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: So was she working there at the time that it happened.

1031
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: Rachel then says the investigation has been complicated and the

1032
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: key difficulties are that the two original complainants did not

1033
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: want to meet with her at the outset and only

1034
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: provided selective documentation. Also, the complainants representative decided, just as

1035
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: she was finishing my draft report to send me over

1036
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: five hundred pages of new and relevant information to review,

1037
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: which is why weeks ago Chloe was saying it's nearly finished,

1038
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it wasn't finished because

1039
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: they got a dumping of five hundred pages that they

1040
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: had to then get into. This is the stuff that

1041
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: you're interested in, the owner of the business, this is

1042
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: the husband did not provide a coherent or consistent verbal

1043
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: account and his evidence and both oral and documentary, tended

1044
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: to off the skate rather than a looser date. So

1045
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: he wasn't trying to explain himself. He was trying to

1046
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: talk rings around the situation. He was not very helpful

1047
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: the respondent's evidence. That's Darlene Tanner shifted over the investigation

1048
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: with different explanations as to why that was so, requiring

1049
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: significant cross referencing to earlier accounts and documentation to come

1050
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: to findings. So this is what we've heard that the

1051
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: report finds. She is busted on a number of occasions,

1052
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: telling FIBs. So she'll tell this fib and then say

1053
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: knew absolutely nothing about it, and then evidence will prove

1054
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: she did know something about it, and then she said, oh,

1055
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: you know I did know about it because blah blah

1056
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: blah busted, but then busted again and busted again, and

1057
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: that's a pattern that keeps on repeating. Hopefully we get

1058
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: more headlines next, hard.

1059
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Questions, Strong opinion Heather due for see allan drive with

1060
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: one New Zealand.

1061
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: Let's get connected and news talk said be.

1062
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: It's just conversation.

1063
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: The free news was spine at the half an hour mark.

1064
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: They're focused on the news and stuff. And then an

1065
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: hour and they lost me at the gang praise peace.

1066
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: Back to listening to z B at six. Oh, I'm

1067
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: not sorry about that. Thanks that that gang guy had

1068
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: really nice teeth, though, did you notice that like he

1069
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: had an awesome smile. I reckon if I had met

1070
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: him in person, like San Hayes, I also might have

1071
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: been sucked in by that smile. Who knows? The government

1072
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: I love this wants to make remote building inspections the

1073
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: norm so that we get building fast down and we

1074
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: get building cheaper. I'm here for it because if you've

1075
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: ever done a build or a reno, you know that

1076
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: sometimes you gotta wait for weeks for those building inspectors

1077
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: to come around because they are so chock a blockbooked

1078
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: and you can't do anything. You just like sit there

1079
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: waiting until they can come check whether you've done the

1080
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: noggins correctly. Anyway, it's a terrible process. Nowadays, you can

1081
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: use like a smart there's a bunch of smartphone applications

1082
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: you can kind of do it like that, and they're

1083
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: designed to kind of keep the trickery out. Let's be

1084
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 2: honest about it. If the person's not coming to the site,

1085
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: there will be some trickery going on. But I think

1086
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Speaker 2: a little bit of trickery might be the price worth

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Speaker 2: paying so that this system is scrapped because it's rubbish.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a chat to Chris Pink who's the

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Speaker 2: Building and Construction Minister, will be with us after six

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Speaker 2: o'clock the huddle standing by. We've got Josepeganey and Patrick Gower.

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Speaker 2: This evening twenty three away from six ever due for

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Speaker 2: c Allen, members of the academic community are celebrating the

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Speaker 2: Employment Courts ruling in favor of Susie Wilds. Last night,

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Speaker 2: the court found that the University of Auckland failed to

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Speaker 2: do enough to make sure that Susie Wylde's safety was

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Speaker 2: protected while she was acting as a health commentator during

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Speaker 2: the COVID pandemic. A number of other familiar figures from

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Speaker 2: the pandemic, like Michael Plank, Michael Baker, Shawan Hendy, have

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Speaker 2: all said this decision is an important acknowledgment that Susie's

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Speaker 2: public statements on COVID were part of her job, which

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Speaker 2: is something that the university disputed. Doctor Dawn Duncan is

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Speaker 2: from the university's University of Otag Faculty of Law and

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Speaker 2: is with us. Now, Hey, Dawn, you're the what should

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Speaker 2: the university have done that they didn't do?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well, this area is one that a lot of

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Speaker 20: New Zealand employers really struggle with because the risks of

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Speaker 20: harassments and threats and violence are coming from people that

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Speaker 20: they don't control. Right, They're not your workers that are

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Speaker 20: making these threats, and you don't always have the ability

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Speaker 20: to identify them or even take any action. So often

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Speaker 20: employers struggle, they don't do enough, or they push it

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Speaker 20: back onto the employee. And what this case is highlighting

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Speaker 20: is the need for employers and universities to be proactive,

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Speaker 20: to do proper risk assessments for individual employees to find

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Speaker 20: out what's going on in their job, their specific situations,

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Speaker 20: acknowledge the reality of the job, and then take action.

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Speaker 20: So what the case was highlighting here is they needed

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Speaker 20: to get advice and they needed to implement it before

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Speaker 20: the emergency situations happened. They needed to listen to the

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Speaker 20: staff and to really take action to take the threats seriously.

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Speaker 2: So what would I mean? You could do the risk

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Speaker 2: assessments and stuff, but then what kind of action would

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Speaker 2: you take if, for example, Susie Wilds was getting death threats?

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Speaker 2: Would that be to the extent that they would be

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Speaker 2: paying for and installing security cameras at her house, maybe

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Speaker 2: considering putting in a safe room, getting some security guards,

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00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: like would it go that far?

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Speaker 20: Well, how's infected workout says you have to take all

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Speaker 20: reasonable steps, but what amounts to reasonable depends on the

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Speaker 20: extent of the risk. So there's a range of things

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00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 20: that they could be doing here, from changing the way

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Speaker 20: she's working so that she's not being exposed to those threats,

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Speaker 20: changing the way that perhaps the online technology is being managed.

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Speaker 20: Who's managing that technology. It could include physical security, security

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Speaker 20: at the university. It could include help in contacting police

1136
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Speaker 20: or other agencies, or setting up a security system at home.

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Speaker 20: It could include just additional support, extra workload support. It

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Speaker 20: could include counseling. There's a whole range of things that

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Speaker 20: employers can do. And the people you think of that advice.

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Speaker 2: Where do you draw the line between somebody who's commenting

1141
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Speaker 2: on social media, like on Twitter or Facebook and their

1142
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Speaker 2: capacity as an academic and then somebody who is also

1143
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Speaker 2: just like having some banter because you know, in the

1144
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Speaker 2: private capacity, because the line is often quite blurry on

1145
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Speaker 2: social media, the.

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Speaker 20: Line is incredibly blurry, and academic jobs are often incredibly

1147
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 20: blurry to start with. There's a lot of things that

1148
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 20: we do that are in that weird, slushy service category

1149
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 20: that are kind of our jobs and kind of outside

1150
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 20: of the strict parameters of our job as well. And

1151
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 20: media commentary, public talk, they all sit in that box.

1152
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Speaker 20: So it's really hard to define an advance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really appreciate your time. Thank you for talking

1154
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Speaker 2: us through it. As Dawn Duncan, the University of Otago's

1155
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Speaker 2: Faculty of.

1156
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Speaker 1: Law, the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, exceptional

1157
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Speaker 1: marketing for every.

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Speaker 3: Property with us.

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Speaker 2: Now on the huddle, we'll go jose SPEGANI child funding,

1160
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Speaker 2: Patty Gower, journalist, Hell are you took?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm unemployed, Heather, and I'm happy to admit it

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 6: at day two. I've been unemployed since Monday, two days

1164
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Speaker 6: in going good? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Did you watch the new three news bullets and Petty?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I did, look I am. I actually watched it

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Speaker 6: on demand because I was down. I was down at

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Speaker 6: the bridge down the road here in the hot valley

1169
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Speaker 6: over the hot river, fishing and terified, just getting a

1170
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Speaker 6: bit of just getting a bit of kai for the family,

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Speaker 6: you know, so they'll enjoy a good feed of hearing.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I did watch it. I did watch it,

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Speaker 6: and luck it was it was really good.

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Speaker 11: Would Patty?

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Speaker 2: Would you say better than expected? But obviously cheap and

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Speaker 2: that's not going to be that's not going to be

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Speaker 2: good for all members of the audience, right, some people

1178
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: will find that little hard to watch.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm an absolutely expert in the program, obviously, and

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Speaker 6: I thought it was exactly what they should have delivered. Yes,

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00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 6: it's cheaper. It had to be peras it was going

1182
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Speaker 6: to get cut off, so it has to be cheaper.

1183
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 6: And in terms of the cheaper product, that was pretty

1184
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 6: damn good looking the three nights that I've watched, So yes,

1185
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Speaker 6: it looks cheaper, but it's still there. They've done a

1186
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 6: good job. There's no big mistakes. There are three nights,

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Speaker 6: and I know the people involved in the background, they're pros.

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Speaker 6: They'll keep it going from here, checking on it in

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Speaker 6: two months time. But at the moment, that's looking pretty

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Speaker 6: damn good.

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Speaker 5: What do you reckon, Josie, Yeah, well, I just got

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Speaker 5: back from the US last night, so I didn't actually

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Speaker 5: watch it yet, but I just sort of did a

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Speaker 5: box pops, you know, focus group around the office, and

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Speaker 5: quite a few people watched it and they liked it.

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Speaker 5: And I think in some ways that the cheapness that

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Speaker 5: you're talking about head that I think people quite like that.

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit like how we all listen to

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Speaker 5: long form podcasts now and you couldn't get anything cheaper

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Speaker 5: than that, but we love it, you know. We listen

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00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 5: to podcasts on everything from politics to history to you know,

1202
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 5: funny crime stories to whatever. So I think. I mean,

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Speaker 5: just what we know is that news is changing so much,

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00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 5: and you know, talking about the US where I've just been,

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Speaker 5: I mean, okay, the Biden Trump debate was you know,

1206
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Speaker 5: water war, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, all the big kind

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Speaker 5: of cable news channels. But also you look at the

1208
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 5: figures about ninety percent of Americans actually get most of

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Speaker 5: the news on their smartphones now, so they're not looking

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Speaker 5: first ye you know.

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Speaker 2: Point right, we have got used to it, so maybe

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Speaker 2: we don't need to have like a blockbuster TV news

1213
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: in the evening and fair point. Now, listen, I want

1214
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 2: to talk about Darlene Tanner, Patty. Does Darleen Tannan need

1215
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: to quit Parliament?

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Speaker 10: She needs to quit.

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Speaker 6: She should have quit yesterday or one hundred and whatever

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 6: days ago, but she definitely should have quit yesterday. I

1219
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 6: cannot think of an MP in the living history or

1220
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 6: the history of this country that has less of a

1221
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 6: mandate than her. She is a disgrace for staying on.

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Speaker 6: She is dumbing her nose. You know, not just at

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 6: the Green Party, who have given her the ultimate Kumbai

1224
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 6: kiss and Cattle's kind of approach to justice, but to

1225
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 6: the voters and the taxpayers she needs to get out

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Speaker 6: of their darling. Tanner needs to go and go now, Josie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not acceptable that an MP refuses to front up.

1228
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Speaker 5: So she's said she's been treated badly, unfairly, but she

1229
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 5: hasn't really given her side of the story. We just

1230
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 5: don't know the fact. But on the other side, you know,

1231
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Speaker 5: the Greens have failed to really tell us what the

1232
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Speaker 5: reporter is. I mean, you've told us more than the

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Speaker 5: Greens have, Heather. They haven't really told us what's in

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Speaker 5: the report. They're not and they're using these kind of

1235
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 5: slightly smoke screen excuses about privacy. And we've got to

1236
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 5: check with everybody who's names. I mean, you can redact

1237
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Speaker 5: names for why.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Greens can get all the legal advice

1239
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: and release the thing. They're not releasing it. Why do

1240
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: they not want to release it?

1241
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's the question. So it's really hard for

1242
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 5: us to understand. I mean, you're absolutely right, Patty. I mean,

1243
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 5: she's got to go. She spent one hundred and over

1244
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Speaker 5: half her time as an MP on full pay sitting

1245
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 5: there waiting this thing out. Yes, there's a natural justice process,

1246
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 5: but I think it's just you know, I mean, clearly

1247
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 5: there's been a breakdown in the party. She's a list MP.

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00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing for the Greens though, is

1249
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 5: looking at this and going all the way back from

1250
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 5: even Materia Toure. But you know, Goldritz, Elizabeth, Ketty, Kenny,

1251
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 5: Julian and Jenter. There's something wrong in that, isn't that party?

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Speaker 10: Okay?

1253
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Speaker 5: Rather maybe Heather, it's just that they've got as many narcissistic,

1254
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 5: self serving politicians and their party and it's not been

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Speaker 5: such a woman morally superior.

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Speaker 6: She has done nothing since she's been in the Parliament.

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Speaker 6: She got elected because she was in the Greens. She's

1258
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 6: a listing p people voted for the Greens. Nobody voted

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Speaker 6: for Darling Tanner whatever is in that report, and the

1260
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 6: Greens are being soft and not releasing it all. Whatever. Look,

1261
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Speaker 6: at the end of the day, if they're annoyed, it

1262
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 6: takes a lot to annoy a Green. You know, they

1263
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 6: want they are instinctively driven to cuddle someone rather than kick.

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Speaker 21: Them, you know, I mean, yeah, you know, and yeah, yeah, okay,

1265
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 21: but you know they can actually, like all of us

1266
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 21: choker cattles, they can get the odd they need to

1267
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 21: give the old choker cattle, don't they anyway?

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Speaker 6: Anyway? They she's done nothing. She's just got to go,

1269
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Speaker 6: and they should. They should release the report, leak the report,

1270
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Speaker 6: start leaking on it. Driver out of there. They'll have

1271
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Speaker 6: to do all this sort of stuff. Yeah, but she's

1272
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Speaker 6: just got to go.

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Speaker 2: I suspect I just have a sneaky suspicion. The report's

1274
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: not as damning as they've painted it out so be.

1275
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Speaker 2: But well, see, Laura, have you got any more of

1276
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Speaker 2: that report?

1277
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Speaker 22: Not yet?

1278
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: Okay, standing by though, take a break. Come back with

1279
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Speaker 2: the Huddle thirteen two, The Huddle.

1280
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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unparallel Reach and Results.

1281
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Speaker 2: Right back with the Huddle, Joseph Bagani and Paddy Gower. Josie,

1282
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Speaker 2: what do you make of this Labor considering an inheritance tax?

1283
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: But this is a dumb idea, isn't it.

1284
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Speaker 5: Well, the problem for labor is they haven't quite you know,

1285
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 5: got rid of the ghost of their last tax policies,

1286
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 5: which really died in the service of its spending followings. Right,

1287
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 5: so that the reason that no one trusted labor in

1288
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 5: the last iteration with it with their tax policy was

1289
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Speaker 5: that they didn't want to fund lake Onslow. They didn't

1290
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Speaker 5: want to fund fifty billion dollars for Lake Onslow and

1291
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Speaker 5: light rail. So the problem they've got again, it's sort

1292
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Speaker 5: of political management. They've come out with this policy saying

1293
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Speaker 5: do you want an inheritance tax. Let's say, do you

1294
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 5: want to be you have your arm cut off? I mean,

1295
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Speaker 5: no one wants to say yes for that, So they've

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Speaker 5: got to come out and say something more coherent like

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Speaker 5: would you pay this amount for an inheritance tack at

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Speaker 5: this tax? At this level if you could have free

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Speaker 5: dental care for the rest of your life, then they're

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Speaker 5: going to go, Okay, let me think about that. Yes,

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Speaker 5: maybe I will pay that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Patty, it was so unpopular before, it's

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Speaker 2: proven so unpopular over other parts of the world when

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Speaker 2: it's been bumped up or brought in. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that this is going to go anywhere. What do you think?

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Speaker 22: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I just think that to the middle class, key we

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Speaker 6: and upwards, inheritance is everything. People think about it all

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Speaker 6: the time, you know, coming in and texting it is

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Speaker 6: not going to go down well with the punters. Labor

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Speaker 6: should know this if they're going to come in and

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Speaker 6: get something like that. Josie is right, she knows all

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Speaker 6: about this. She's watched this movie upteen times. Labor need

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Speaker 6: to come in with a comprehensive tax that is wide

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Speaker 6: and sweeping, but people get something on the other side,

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Speaker 6: going in, going in and looking like you are this

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Speaker 6: inheritance thief is a quick way to go to opposition.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. We have to leave it there

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Speaker 2: because I need to talk to you about this, Patty.

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Speaker 2: I've got a text, Heather. You must get new Plymouth

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Speaker 2: legion Paddy g to take on the town pool swimwear

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Speaker 2: prood Fest.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well I'll take it on. I mean, I've spent

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Speaker 6: many many years in my life at the card and

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Speaker 6: and and you know where was the G string when

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Speaker 6: I was at the g string tree when I was

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Speaker 6: fifteen years old in nineteen ninety two. You know, we're

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Speaker 6: you know about time, you know, so I'm driving up

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Speaker 6: for here tonight.

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Speaker 5: Actually, you're a brave man, Patty. You're a very brave

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Speaker 5: man to say if you've never worn a G string. Obviously, Patty,

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Speaker 5: I'm scountable. I'm not judging that.

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Speaker 6: I'll be wearing one tomorrow at Carrah Bars and so

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Speaker 6: will my dad Gordon Gower, who was seventy three years old.

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Speaker 3: He jo U tomorrow get us both one for you

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Speaker 3: the bum, Jose, can you.

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Speaker 2: Just just just arbitrate this week? This is a prudish

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Speaker 2: thing to do, right, Get the bum out. If you

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Speaker 2: want to turn your bum, go for your life.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an indoor pool though.

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Speaker 2: You want to get your bum out and walk around,

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Speaker 2: go for your life.

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Speaker 5: And it's like, and I think it hadn't been all bum.

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Speaker 5: They're equaled, Like it's not just a nice bum, but

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Speaker 5: a fat bumb and the oddly shaped bum whatever. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, the world's going to hell and a

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01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 5: hand basket wars are breaking out. We're about to elect

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Speaker 5: in the US a convicted felon whose pitture electorate is

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Speaker 5: I did not sleep with a porn star? And what

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Speaker 5: are we doing in New Zealand having a petition about

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Speaker 5: banning g stream.

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Speaker 2: You know what, there is there is something about that

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01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: that's oddly comforting. Guys, Thank you, I appreciate is Paddy Gower,

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Speaker 2: Joe Spagania a common sense huddle this evening seven away

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Speaker 2: from six on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car

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01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one giant leap for Business News talk as.

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Speaker 2: Hither are you in favor of the budgy smugglers fears fair? Listen,

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Speaker 2: you want to you want to go around in a

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Speaker 2: budgy smuggler, I'm not. I'm not starting a petition to

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Speaker 2: get the budgy smuggler band. That's your prerogative. You want

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Speaker 2: to walk around in that, think go for your life.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to look at it like a lot. I'm

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Speaker 2: really going to look at it in the same way

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to look at that g string as well,

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Speaker 2: and obviously one is better than the other to look at.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, but I'm like, come on, let

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Speaker 2: people be people. Stop the banning. That's ridiculous. Listen. Dosh

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Speaker 2: is an outfit that has become that has just applied

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Speaker 2: to become New Zealand's first ever key we owned digital

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Speaker 2: only bank. I'm going to talk to them after half

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Speaker 2: bus six and get us all across there. Got to

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: talk about Biden. The White House press conference today was

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Speaker 2: dominated by questions over whether he's got Parkinson's.

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Speaker 12: Question, Wait a second, times or ones in regards.

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Speaker 3: Hold on a second.

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Speaker 10: You should be able to answer by this point.

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Speaker 12: Wait no, no, no, no, no no no, Ad, please

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Speaker 12: a little respect her please.

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Speaker 2: Ed's got himself worked up because the Guardian over the

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Speaker 2: weekend was reporting that an expert on Parkinson's disease had

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Speaker 2: visited the White House eight times in eight months from

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Speaker 2: July last year to March this year, including at least

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Speaker 2: once for a meeting with Joe Biden actual personal physician.

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Speaker 12: There's no reason to get back and go back and

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Speaker 12: forth with me in this aggressive way.

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Speaker 2: You missed around here about how information has been shared

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Speaker 2: with the press for.

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Speaker 12: What What are you missed about?

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Speaker 10: What are you He just asked about what do you And.

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Speaker 12: Then every time I come back and I answer the

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Speaker 12: question that you guys ask erectly, don't have to come

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Speaker 12: back and clear I've never answered.

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Speaker 3: The question incorrectly.

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Speaker 17: That is not true.

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Speaker 2: Did she answer the question though?

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Speaker 12: And I am telling you right now that I am

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Speaker 12: not sharing confirming names from here. It is the security reasons.

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Speaker 3: I am not going to do that.

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Speaker 11: Ad.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't matter how hard you push me, it doesn't

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Speaker 12: matter how angry you get with me. I'm not going

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Speaker 12: to confirm a name. It doesn't matter if it's even

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Speaker 12: in the log I am not going to do that

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Speaker 12: from here.

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Speaker 2: So no, So it does appear that's possible that what

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Speaker 2: Biden's got is Parkinson's. Another expert who didn't really want

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Speaker 2: to diagnose from Afar said what he's seeing in the

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Speaker 2: President is consistent with Parkinson's. The frozen face, the way

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Speaker 2: that he walks, and also the loss of attention when

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Speaker 2: he's talking. So that may explain everything, mightn't it. Chris

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Speaker 2: Pink next m.

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Speaker 1: We're Business Insight the Business Hour. We're header due to

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Speaker 1: clan and my hr on NEWSB.

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Speaker 2: Evening. We've got an o CR announcement tomorrow, so infametrics

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Speaker 2: will be of us shortly tell us what they are expecting.

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay on d Day for Sinley and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: speak to Doosh. This is the bank that's applied to

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Speaker 2: become New Zealand's first ever key we owned digital only bank.

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Speaker 2: It's eight past six now. The government wants to force

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Speaker 2: every council in this country to allow building inspections to

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Speaker 2: be done remotely. At the moment, some councils are already

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Speaker 2: doing remote inspections, but some still require the respect inspections

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Speaker 2: to be done in person, which you know, if you've

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Speaker 2: been here before, you know, can lead to delays while

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Speaker 2: builders wait around for the inspective, sometimes for weeks to

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Speaker 2: find times to fit them in. Chris Pink is the

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Speaker 2: building in construction minister. Who's with us now?

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Speaker 23: Hey Chris, Hello, good evening.

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Speaker 2: Why are some councils resisting?

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Speaker 23: Well, I mean they've all got their own practices and

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 23: policies and that's actually an issue itself. So we're trying

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Speaker 23: to provide a bit more certainty and consistency across the way.

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Speaker 23: But as far as remote inspections are concerned, I mean,

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Speaker 23: there's no good reason for them not to, and that's

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Speaker 23: borne out by the fact that some councils already on

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Speaker 23: board and embracing this new technology that we're all using

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Speaker 23: in every other aspect of our lives too.

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Speaker 2: And are they basically using apps? Are they?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, there's a couple of Well, there's actually a few

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Speaker 23: sort of prominent apps which you know, allow people to

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01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 23: upload videos and photos and other information in some of

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01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 23: it's real time, so there's no possibility that people can

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Speaker 23: sort of be gaming the system. And uploading photos of

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Speaker 23: other sites. So technology exists, we just got to be

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Speaker 23: bold enough to actually use it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, would you agree that if we are not

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Speaker 2: doing in person and we are doing apps there is

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Speaker 2: a greater chance that the system is gamed.

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Speaker 23: Well, theoretically that might be possible, but actually there's some

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Speaker 23: good mitigations. For example, there's a geolocator funk in the

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Speaker 23: app that says you can, you know, pinpoint the property

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Speaker 23: that's actually being inspected, so you know, there'll always be people,

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Speaker 23: I suppose that a small minority who want to pull

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Speaker 23: the all over the eyes of the authorities. But the

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Speaker 23: reality is these ways we can get around that. And

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Speaker 23: if we're so risk averse that we have a gold

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Speaker 23: player system that takes frankly, as long as it takes

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Speaker 23: currently to build, then we're going to increase the delays

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Speaker 23: and the costs even beyond.

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Speaker 10: That they are.

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Speaker 2: Now, how much do you reckon it would save on

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Speaker 2: a house build just doing this remotely?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's hard to know, to be honest, because it

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Speaker 23: depends how many inspections take place, and there's no consistent

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Speaker 23: data or again practices across the different councils for that. Actually,

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Speaker 23: the Building Act doesn't even require inspections, so it's sort

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Speaker 23: of really an ad hoc system that's built up with

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Speaker 23: the best of intentions. And you know, I can imagine

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Speaker 23: for a council that's trying to be risk averse because

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Speaker 23: they don't want the whole liability if something goes wrong

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Speaker 23: and the builders nowhere to be seen.

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Speaker 10: So it's hard.

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Speaker 23: It's hard to know exactly how much, but I will

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Speaker 23: tell you, in a high interest rate environment, a couple

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Speaker 23: of weeks or four weeks maybe by the time you've

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Speaker 23: had two inspections that are blown out by a fortnight each,

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Speaker 23: that's a huge amount of extra interest that these guys

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Speaker 23: are paying and of course then passing on to the

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Speaker 23: hapless homeowner at the end of the process.

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Speaker 24: Fair.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Chris, really appreciate talking to you

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Speaker 2: about that. It's Chris pank the Building and Construction Minister. Heather.

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Speaker 2: I will never forget around about nineteen sixty eight being

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Speaker 2: on Campbell's Bay Beach as a twelve year old boy,

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Speaker 2: when a couple of fourteen to sixteen year old girls

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Speaker 2: paraded along the beach with crocheted g string bikinis. It

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Speaker 2: was fantastic and it was beautiful, Nigel, you old perv.

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Speaker 2: It probably was. It probably was. If they've got it,

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Speaker 2: flaunt its sisters. Okay, listen.

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Speaker 12: So this, I.

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Speaker 2: M might be something in this. New Zealand First's Twitter

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: account has suggested that the possibility of what happened with

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: the ship running aground was that somebody put it on

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Speaker 2: autopilots go and get a coffee. They've written, is it

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Speaker 2: true that the Aditari ran aground when someone put the

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Speaker 2: autopilot on, went for a coffee and then couldn't turn

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Speaker 2: the autopilot off in time when that someone came back

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Speaker 2: question mark. So what makes me think that's not just

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: a crazy idea that's been posted, because I mean, first

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Speaker 2: of all, I mean you do know that Shane Jones

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Speaker 2: is in the party, and Shane Jones is all over

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01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: the Kiwi rail situation, right, so he would know what's

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Speaker 2: going on. What makes me think that there may be

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Speaker 2: something to that is that the media then went to

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Speaker 2: Maritime New Zealand and asked them if that's what happened,

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Speaker 2: and they said, conjecture around the cause of the incident

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: is unhelpful. That's not a no. Then they went to

1510
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: the Marlborough harbor Master Jake Oliver, and he said he

1511
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 2: could not comment on New Zealand First Post as investigations

1512
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: into the grounding were ongoing. Also not a no. Then

1513
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 2: they went to Kewi Rail's in a quirel Into Island

1514
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: as Executive General Manager Duncan Roy, who said Kei We

1515
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 2: Rail would not normally respond to speculation while an investigation

1516
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: is underway. Again not a know, a little coffee, but

1517
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: I think the important thing is the autopilot couldn't come off.

1518
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: That's there's a problem right there.

1519
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: Six twelve cumbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy

1520
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

1521
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: HR platform for sme on us talks EDB Crunching the

1522
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplic Ellen with

1523
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: the Business Hour thanks to my HR the HL platform

1524
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: for sme on us talks EDB.

1525
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 2: Listen. It's D day for Sinlay on Thursday at two o'clock.

1526
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: And that's the reason it's D days is because that's

1527
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: when the shareholders are going to vote, and what they're

1528
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: going to vote on is whether they need to take

1529
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: the one hundred and thirty million dollar loan from one

1530
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,919
Speaker 2: of Sinlay's major shareholders. I think I think Bright Dairy International,

1531
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: which is a Chinese dairy company's got about thirty nine

1532
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: percent stake in Sinnay or something like that. Anyway, they're

1533
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: going to make a vote on that. If that vote fails,

1534
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 2: according to the chairperson George Adams, there is no plan

1535
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: B and the company will go out into receivership because

1536
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: they need to make some payments to bankers next Wednesday

1537
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 2: and if they do not take the loan, they do

1538
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 2: not have the money. So Jamie McKay is going to

1539
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: be talking us through that shortly. It's sixteen past six

1540
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 2: at the moment. Bank is going to consider the official

1541
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: official cash rate again tomorrow. It's five and a half percent.

1542
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: It's been there for a year and a half. Gareth

1543
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 2: Kiernan is Infametric's chief forecaster in for Brad Olson Tonight, Hey, Gareth, evening, Heather.

1544
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: Obviously nothing's going to change. It's the commentary we're interested

1545
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: and what are you looking for there?

1546
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, for us, it'll be looking at the responses that

1547
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,959
Speaker 7: the Reserve Bank has to a couple of key indicators

1548
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 7: or things that come out over the last six weeks

1549
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 7: since the previous review. Firstly the budget, which was probably

1550
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 7: a bit less contractionary than people have been anticipating, so

1551
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 7: the Resert Bank had previously expressed some concern about just

1552
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 7: how much more stimulitary government policy might be. And the

1553
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 7: second one is last week's quarterly survey Business Opinion, where

1554
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 7: business confidence was well down. But probably more importantly, there

1555
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 7: are a couple of key indicators, and they're showing that

1556
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,919
Speaker 7: the labor market is deteriorating further, and also that inflation

1557
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 7: does those cost and prices and pricing pressures do seem

1558
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 7: to be easing. Inflation due out next week probably claim

1559
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 7: to be close to three percent and four percent, which

1560
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 7: is good news.

1561
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: If the Reserve I mean, what the Reserve Bank's been

1562
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: doing up to now, Gareth obviously, is that they've been

1563
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: jaw boning pretty hard and making it sound like there's

1564
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: even the possibility of another right rate hike in some instances.

1565
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: They surely cannot keep that tone up when the economy

1566
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: is in the state that it is at the moment,

1567
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: can they?

1568
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I fully agree with you there. I mean, we

1569
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 7: were surprised at the previous review where they had talked

1570
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 7: about the possibility of a rate rise. The difficulty for

1571
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 7: us is, even even with tomorrow's review, they have tended

1572
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 7: to flip flop from sort of one message to another,

1573
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 7: from meeting to meetings, So we won't be reading too

1574
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 7: much into necessarily the tone. Initially, we'll sort of, you know,

1575
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 7: hold fire and see how the following one goes as well.

1576
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 7: But also he will be the inflation and the labor

1577
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 7: market data that come out over the next couple of

1578
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 7: weeks whether that does confirm some of those sort of

1579
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 7: weaker readings that have been coming through.

1580
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: And you're still picking November before a.

1581
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 7: Can No, We've pushed out to February. We did that,

1582
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 7: I think following their most their previous meeting where they

1583
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 7: know we're still talking about rate rises. We think November probably,

1584
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 7: given how the economy is evolving, would be appropriate. But

1585
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 7: our worries the Reserve Bank pretty backward looking in terms

1586
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 7: of how they're setting policy. You know, we're pretty vocal

1587
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 7: in terms of on the way up, they need to

1588
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 7: move faster, and we're sort of feeling sort of a

1589
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 7: bit like history repeating itself at the moment where they

1590
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 7: may be a bit slow on the way down as well.

1591
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, really good to talk to you as always.

1592
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: Gareth really appreciate it.

1593
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 10: Mate.

1594
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 2: There's Gareth Kern and Chief full Custer it informetrics. Hither

1595
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: I had a concrete place for a forty years plus

1596
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: do my driveway and paths an exposed aggregate. He had

1597
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: no idea. He failed to lift the steel radius the

1598
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 2: edge's property and make the appropriate cuts to stop the cracks.

1599
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 2: No physical inspection of the foundations. And I know that

1600
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 2: the contractors pull stuff like that out the steel, They

1601
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: put it in there, get it inspected, and they rip

1602
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 2: it out for the next job. Now listen, I know

1603
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: that that stuff happens as well, right, But if that's

1604
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 2: happening with in person inspections, how it's happening, it's going

1605
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 2: to happen with the other inspections as well. It's already happening,

1606
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: isn't it. Nineteen past six Have a chat to Jamie McKay.

1607
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: Next the Rule of Board on the Heather Dupe Drive

1608
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

1609
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: Jamie mckaye hosted the Countries with us right now, Hey, Jamie,

1610
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: can I hear that?

1611
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: So?

1612
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: Why does this guy this is a farmer from Winded

1613
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: Upper Why did he row across the Cook Straight.

1614
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 24: Well, his name's Jamie Strang. He's a wire at the Farmer,

1615
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 24: current judge of the balanced farm environment towards He said,

1616
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 24: he's been fit all his life. He's a keen cyclist,

1617
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 24: took up rowing a couple of years ago to keep

1618
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 24: him fit. He's seventy six. So today as you do

1619
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 24: here that he just decided to row across Cock straight

1620
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 24: to raise some money for Farmstrong. And isn't there a

1621
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 24: deliciously rich irony in the fact that a seventy six

1622
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 24: year old farmer can get across Cock Straight with the

1623
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 24: fairies cart.

1624
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 2: What was the weather? I mean like, if anybody said

1625
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: to me, I'm going to row across Crook straight, the

1626
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: first thing I would say to them is, no, you're not,

1627
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 2: because it's going to kill you.

1628
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: What was the weather like?

1629
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 10: It was beautiful.

1630
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 24: There's a big high plumped over New Zealand obviously this week,

1631
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 24: very low swells, perfect conditions and he did it quite

1632
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 24: comfortably apparently in the end, and having flown over Cook

1633
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 24: straight last week, he chose the right week to do it.

1634
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, good on him. Okay, So listener, you're

1635
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: going to go to the Young Farmer of the Year

1636
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: Grand Final.

1637
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 24: No, I'm going to lick my wounds. I've been on

1638
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 24: the road far too much. But it's going to be fantastic.

1639
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 24: It's being held gets Underway and Hamilton on Thursday Claudland's

1640
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 24: Events Center there in the middle of town. Great venue

1641
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 24: culminates on Saturday night with the cloak of knowledge being

1642
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 24: handed over by the twenty twenty three winner, Emma Paul,

1643
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 24: first woman to ever win the Young Farmer of the

1644
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 24: Year Final. And we've got seven first time finalists. Often

1645
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 24: with the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final Heather,

1646
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 24: sometimes you have to be a repeat offender to win it,

1647
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 24: just to get that experience. It's quite a few young guys,

1648
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 24: all blokes this year, no women in the final and

1649
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 24: they're all first timers. So we will have, as I say,

1650
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 24: first time I winning the Young Farmer of the Year

1651
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 24: once again. There's a lovely synergy with fat I Warrant Katto,

1652
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 24: Jamie Strang's fellow judged for the Balanced Farm Environment Awards.

1653
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 24: He won the Young Farmer of the Year contest, repeating

1654
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 24: the effort of from his twin brother who won it

1655
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 24: nineteen ninety two, and if you think twin brothers winning

1656
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 24: the Young Farmer of the Year in the nineties, it's

1657
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 24: pretty cool. Well, Emma Paul's brother and Dan Jin won

1658
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 24: it in twenty twenty two, better husband was runner up.

1659
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: It's in the family and the family, isn't it. Jamie,

1660
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen with Sindlo

1661
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: what's the most likely outcome?

1662
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 24: Well, I think it's Hobson's choice, sarahwe but I think

1663
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 24: they're going to have to vote. So a special shareholders

1664
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 24: meeting's going to be held on Thursday to approve this

1665
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 24: one hundred and thirty million dollar loan from the biggest shareholder.

1666
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 24: It seems it's the only only only porter call for them.

1667
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 24: Sorry to use the cook straight analogy again. So that's

1668
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 24: Bright Dairy out of China, So siddenly needs the money

1669
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 24: to repay loans due on the fifteenth feb Very Bright

1670
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 24: Dairy cannot actually vote, so it's up to the shareholders.

1671
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,520
Speaker 24: The tituitional shareholders own about forty one percent of the company. Interestingly,

1672
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 24: the other twenty percent is owned by a two milkom

1673
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 24: It's a question over there whether they're keen to support

1674
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 24: this is the throwing good money after bad. So if

1675
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 24: it doesn't get the vote, they're going to be left

1676
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 24: with limited options. One of them would obviously be voluntary administration.

1677
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 24: And I'm sure no one it's in they wants to

1678
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 24: see that. So the deadline proxy for votes I think

1679
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 24: finished this afternoon. That special shareholders meeting will be held

1680
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 24: on Thursday afternoon.

1681
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: Watch this space, Jamie, good to talk to you. Thank

1682
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: you so much. Appreciate as Jammie MacKaye, host of the

1683
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: Country Heather, even if the faery was on autopilot, the

1684
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: skipper still has to stay at the wheel, not off

1685
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: making a coffee. It's up there with the power. Pilon Steve,

1686
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: thank you for pointing that out. It feels like there

1687
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: might be just an era of truth, just a whiff

1688
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: of truth to this because Key we Rail has said,

1689
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: quote the regulated number of qualified people were on the

1690
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: ship's bridge on the night the grounding, which suggests that

1691
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: what they're not saying, oh yeah, no, he went off

1692
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: and made a coffee. What they're saying is there were

1693
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: enough people that I mean, I don't know about you,

1694
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 2: but I have been in this situation with people who

1695
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 2: are trying to lie to me and trying to get

1696
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: away with something. And that's a classic move, isn't it.

1697
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: You just go yeah, but it's okay because and that's

1698
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 2: what they're doing. No, it's not okay. The problem doesn't appear.

1699
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: I think the clue is in the fact that they

1700
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 2: could not get the autopilot off in time. That seems

1701
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: to be the problem. Now Novak Djokovic, Okay, I don't

1702
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: know if you've caught up on this, but Novak Djokovic

1703
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: continues to be the guy that everybody loves to hate,

1704
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: and I'm starting to see whys. I've actually had a

1705
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: lot of time for him, because she thought he was

1706
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: quite brave with his position or not wanting to take

1707
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: the jab. I was like, I take the jab, but

1708
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't want to take the jab,

1709
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 2: do you do you whatever, It's quite brave that you're

1710
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 2: being Novak's da da da. But now I'm starting to

1711
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: see why people hate him. Because he was playing a

1712
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: chap at Wimbledon called holgaroone and what happened is the

1713
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 2: crowd kept shouting rue, which sounds a lot like boo

1714
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: to Djokovic, and he was not gonna let.

1715
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 25: It go and to all those people that have chosen

1716
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 25: to disrespect the play player in this case me.

1717
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 11: Have a good night, good night, good night, very good night.

1718
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: Okay, you made your point.

1719
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 24: Not enough.

1720
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 25: I'm hoping that they were just commenting on RUNA and

1721
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 25: that they weren't disrespecting you.

1722
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 9: They were, they were, they were.

1723
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 10: I don't accept it.

1724
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 25: No, no, no, I know they were changing for Rune,

1725
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 25: but that's an excuse to also boo. I listen, I've

1726
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 25: been I've been on the tour for more than twenty years,

1727
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 25: so trust me.

1728
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 11: I know all the tricks.

1729
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: I know how it works.

1730
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 25: It's fine, it's fine, it's okay. I focus on irrespectful

1731
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 25: people that have respect. I played in much more hostile environment.

1732
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 25: Trust me, your guns, you guys can't touch me.

1733
01:20:59,320 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: Can't touch me.

1734
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 19: Hm hmm.

1735
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was sun to see why you don't like him.

1736
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 2: Why there's only one person in my whole life who

1737
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 2: does like him, and we got rid of her from

1738
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 2: the show. We were like, I can't have you with

1739
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: that kind of an attitude. Let's talk to Dosh next.

1740
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: Headlines as well, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics,

1741
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: it's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen

1742
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for SME used talks

1743
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: at b.

1744
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 10: I'm amy out of the double shot of whiskey. They

1745
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 10: nam j istues, there's a party downtown. You're fish.

1746
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 13: Everybody had buget, everybody had by.

1747
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 2: Hey, well, we are going more and more online, aren't we,

1748
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: Because it's been revealed that we're now using more online

1749
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: data through our fiber connections than we were during lockdown.

1750
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: Lockdown was previously the peak. This is according to Chorus

1751
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 2: that put the numbers out Back in lockdown, we were

1752
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 2: we were heading I think jeez, six hundred twenty one

1753
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: gigabytes when we were in lockdown, and that was due

1754
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 2: that was like twenty twenty one, and since then it

1755
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: dropped off and it hasn't really surpassed that. This is

1756
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: per person by the way, But then all of a

1757
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: sudden June last month, we're up at six twenty three.

1758
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: We beat it for the first time, and it's gone

1759
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 2: up like in space of March to June, it's gone

1760
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: up by twenty five gigabytes. That's not bad. I don't

1761
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: know what you're doing on the Internet, probably looking at

1762
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: butts in g strings to be honest, because you don't

1763
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 2: live in New Plymouth, then you can't go to the pool,

1764
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: so you're just gonna have to google it, spending a

1765
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: lot of time looking at that. So anyway, at least

1766
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: you're doing something with your time. I suppose, Heather, what okay,

1767
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: So get a load of this test what let's say

1768
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: someone had set the autopilot even if it exists on

1769
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 2: that particular vessel, and then left the bridge. Was the

1770
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: autopilot set to go into a hell? If you can't

1771
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 2: turn it off, doesn't it just drive its own way

1772
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 2: to Wellington? Isn't the consequence of not turning off the

1773
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 2: autopilot that it continues on the course. Or if all

1774
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: of those qualified and necessary are New Zealander is actually

1775
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: saying not one of them noticed the looming forest coming

1776
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: at them. So many good questions you should be working

1777
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 2: for Maritime New Zealand. Twenty three away from seven company,

1778
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: DOSH is trying to become the first New Zealand digital

1779
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: only bank. DOSH has started the application process to become

1780
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: a registered bank in New Zealand in the hope that

1781
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: it will increase banking competition. Shane marsh is Dosh's co

1782
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 2: founder and chief executive and with us.

1783
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 11: Now.

1784
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:21,560
Speaker 2: Hey Shane, Hey, so if you're digital only, what was that?

1785
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 26: Thanks for having me a lot.

1786
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 2: You're more than welcome. If you're digital only, does that

1787
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: mean you've got no ATMs where I can take money out?

1788
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 2: You've got no bank branches? Nothing like that?

1789
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 26: Yeah, traditional bank has branches. You'll feed them along all

1790
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 26: the high streets of the New Zealand cities and towns.

1791
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 26: And these branches cost a lot of money to rent,

1792
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 26: to maintain, and to staff as well. So with the

1793
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 26: prices that are set by a normal banking organization, they

1794
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 26: need to cover all of these costs. A digital bank

1795
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 26: doesn't have those branches as much, lower number of staff,

1796
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 26: and therefore the price is in value to consume, it's

1797
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 26: as much better.

1798
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: Do I have the option of withdrawing cash from my

1799
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: bank account though?

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01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 20: Yeah?

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01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 26: Absolutely, you can remove it from your bank account through

1802
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 26: just normal internet banking or mobile banking as people do today.

1803
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 2: What about no bank card? I can't go get twenty

1804
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 2: bucks for I don't know Lolly's.

1805
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 26: In terms of cash, yeah, well, we find most people

1806
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 26: are not operating with cash today, and most people are

1807
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 26: using a card or a digital card to make their payments.

1808
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: I noticed that you guys say you'd become the first

1809
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 2: New Zealand owned digital only bank. Are there others who

1810
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: are not New Zealand owed who are already doing this?

1811
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 26: There Rabo Direct, who's a Netherlands bank, And previously you

1812
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 26: may recall Bank Direct which was owned by Australian based ASP,

1813
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 26: which was amalgamated into ASB some four or five years ago.

1814
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 26: So since those banks were created, there's been a lot

1815
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 26: change from a technology perspective. From what we've seen in

1816
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 26: the last ten years across the world is the emergence

1817
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 26: of mobile based digital banks offering the latest technology, news

1818
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 26: services and better value for consumers and have been wildly popular.

1819
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 26: In the UK, for example, two and every three people

1820
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 26: have a digital only bank accounts.

1821
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: What are the hurdles that you have got to overcome

1822
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: in order to be cleared for this?

1823
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 22: Yeah, so we'll be working with.

1824
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 26: The Reserve Bank on our application and they look at

1825
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 26: a number of factors such as our compliance and the

1826
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 26: security and also our systems and the amount of capital,

1827
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 26: which is a cash that we have set aside if

1828
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 26: things don't go well, we have our fund he held

1829
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,799
Speaker 26: in a bank today and so those funds are secure

1830
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 26: and we're also compliant in the same way as bankers,

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01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 26: so we feel confident we can meet most of the

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01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 26: quirements that only'll be a few that will work with

1833
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 26: on the reserves.

1834
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: With the Reserve, how many millions do you have to hold?

1835
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 26: Well to become a regis spank in New Zealand, you

1836
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 26: actually have to hold thirty million dollars of capital, which

1837
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 26: is a lot, particularly compared with other countries such as

1838
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 26: Australia at fifteen million dollars the capital, or perhaps the

1839
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 26: UK where it's only million pounds of capital. But what

1840
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 26: we're finding in the market at the moment is that

1841
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 26: both the Commerce Commission and the Reserve Bank and the

1842
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 26: government are looking for greater competition in the banking market

1843
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 26: and they're looking again at some of these rules in

1844
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 26: terms of how can we better enhanced competition, bring your

1845
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 26: players like Dosh into the market so we can offer

1846
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 26: new services.

1847
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 4: So ultimately, shape.

1848
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: Are you are you hoping to have that threshold clear,

1849
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: like for them to drop it down from thirty mil

1850
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: in order for you to be able to get in

1851
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 2: or are you going to scrape together thirty mil?

1852
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 26: Yeah, we we're confident that we can meet the requirements

1853
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 26: that the bank were said, and we were forward to

1854
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 26: working with them on that. So yeah, look, it's an

1855
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 26: interesting it's an interesting topic about the at all, but

1856
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 26: ultimately for us, it's more about how can we do

1857
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 26: better for consumers and boss for them better value in pricing.

1858
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah stuff, Best of lucky that Shaneanks for talking us through.

1859
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: It's Shane Marsh, the co founder and the chief executive

1860
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 2: of Dosh. Heather My husband has got Parkinson's and Biden

1861
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: presents all of the same symptoms. The soft tired voice

1862
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 2: as a dead giveaway Erica, thank.

1863
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 3: You for that.

1864
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: It's actually more on this. So Axios, which is a

1865
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: political website over in the States, is reporting that Joe

1866
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: Biden has been given like what looked like a four

1867
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 2: sized bits of sheet of paper with which they print

1868
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: out with essentially picture guides telling him how to walk

1869
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 2: on and off stage, and they've got a few examples

1870
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: of them, and it's like what it is. It's like

1871
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: it's an official White House documents. It's got the White

1872
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: House logo on the top and then it's basically white

1873
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 2: with it it says walk to podium, and then it's

1874
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: got a picture of basically the path that he would

1875
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 2: take to get to the podium, So him walking up

1876
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 2: to the entrance to the stage so you can see

1877
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: the curtain, you can see the stage to one side

1878
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 2: that picture, so that's where he needs to go. Then

1879
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,799
Speaker 2: the next page has got again also walked to podium,

1880
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 2: and then a picture of what it would look like

1881
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 2: like the point of view if you're standing in the

1882
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 2: wings off the stage looking out at where the podium is. Apparently,

1883
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: not only that, but there's also like pictures showing view

1884
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 2: from podium, so what it will look like for him

1885
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 2: when he's there, and then view from audience and so on. Now,

1886
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: Kirsten Allen, who's a spokesperson for a Man, a spokesman

1887
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 2: for Karmla Harris, said these documents are standard logistical briefing

1888
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: materials and photos for any principle, including the vice president, right,

1889
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: so it's normal stuff to provide them, apparently, But two

1890
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,520
Speaker 2: former aides who've worked with Biden during his vice presidency

1891
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: said that his preparation documents were different and often and

1892
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: more often relied on site diagrams. So he had different

1893
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: prep documents when he was the vice president, but now

1894
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: he's the president and if he does have Parkinson's and

1895
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: if the symptoms have got worse, he needs a lot

1896
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 2: more assistance to be able to cope with it. Explain

1897
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: maybe in part, why he sometimes freezes and doesn't know

1898
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: what to do when he's on stage. He needs Obama

1899
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 2: to come and help him and walk him off with

1900
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: Jill Biden or something. He needs these kinds of pictures.

1901
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: He also, by the way, is copying it for calling

1902
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 2: into the morning TV show Morning Morning Joe Today, Heavy Listen,

1903
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: you might be able to pick why he's copping it.

1904
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 5: We have a special guest joining us now, the forty

1905
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 5: sixth President of the United States and presumptive Democratic nominee.

1906
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 11: Joe Biden, calling in to Morning Joe right now.

1907
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 27: Good morning, sir, Hey Mika, I'm more of a presumption

1908
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 27: I'm going to be the Democratic nominee.

1909
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, so the answer is obviously good luck

1910
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 2: figuring out what what the hell he's saying there. He does, though,

1911
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: to his credit, get clearer as the call goes on.

1912
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 27: And I've gone over a country for several reasons, one

1913
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 27: to make sure my instinct was right.

1914
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 10: About the party still.

1915
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 27: Wanting me to be the nominee, and all the dat

1916
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 27: all the data shows that the average Democrat out there

1917
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 27: who voted, fourteen million of them had voted for me,

1918
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 27: still want me to be the nominee number one.

1919
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 2: So the problem, according to commentators, is that he's basically

1920
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 2: he seems slightly unhinged because he's just done the old

1921
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 2: Trumpian trick of like randomly calling in. It's not very

1922
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: presidential and statesman just be calling in like a talkback caller.

1923
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: He's too defensive, he's too angry in the call, he

1924
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 2: lashes out at his own party, the elites, and basically

1925
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 2: all of those things combined, he hurts his own chances.

1926
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 2: Heither I just tuned in. Have you confessed to knowing

1927
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: nothing about League? The rubbish kicking from those young halfs

1928
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 2: gave us bad field position and little chance of winning.

1929
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 2: We needed Sean Johnson, Matt, I will concede that. So

1930
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Speaker 2: Mighty Martin was disappointing on Saturday. I was disappointed. Still

1931
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Speaker 2: think he's the blog, but I was disappointed. Sixteen away

1932
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Speaker 2: from seven, everything.

1933
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: From SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour with

1934
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,799
Speaker 1: Heather Duple c Ellen and my HR, the HR platform

1935
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Speaker 1: right with us.

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Speaker 2: Now we have our UK correspondent in the.

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Speaker 22: Brady Ay Inda, Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

1938
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Speaker 2: So Keystama is off tonight, so I mean this will

1939
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 2: be easy stuff for him. He's not going to stuff

1940
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Speaker 2: this up as he No, absolutely not.

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Speaker 22: No, He's hit the ground running. We've seen legislation pasted already,

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01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 22: new MPs coming into Parliament today, and honestly, it feels

1943
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Speaker 22: like the winds of change, a breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 22: I'm just running out of cliches here, but you know,

1945
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 22: to have had three or four days of competent governance,

1946
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 22: it's quite remarkable. Really, we're just getting used to it

1947
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 22: and it seems to be quite a positive good thing.

1948
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Speaker 22: So yes, he's heading to Washington, d C further natal

1949
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Speaker 22: summer tomorrow, and the big talking point, of course, from

1950
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Speaker 22: a European perspective, will be the ongoing war in Ukraine,

1951
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 22: so he will reiterate UK support for that. Already he's

1952
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 22: getting squeezed by various different army chiefs who are coming

1953
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 22: out and saying we need more spend on defense, and

1954
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Speaker 22: I think that is something that quite frankly, will have

1955
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 22: to be addressed because the latest one is an army

1956
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 22: chief coming out today and saying that if Britain went

1957
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 22: to war, it would have enough materials to last a month.

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Speaker 22: So that's where the state of everything is after fourteen

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Speaker 22: years of the other lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty grim, hey, Jesus.

1961
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Speaker 4: Compact from France, Yes, literally just in the door.

1962
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Speaker 22: So big, big news on the election over there. Everyone

1963
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 22: was expecting this far right. I think everyone in the media,

1964
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 22: certainly in the UK was expecting this far right and

1965
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 22: they are very far right National Rally Party to win.

1966
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 22: All the other lot on the left and kind of Greens,

1967
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 22: everyone who hated them cobbled together this very loosely held

1968
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 22: coalition and they've won the election. So France has now

1969
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 22: swung to the far left. There are communists in this group,

1970
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 22: there's a guy who leading it who's actually a Marxist,

1971
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 22: and there's a policy in the papers today saying that

1972
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 22: so Macron now is the kingmaker. He can choose who

1973
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Speaker 22: he wants and he can kind of put together a

1974
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 22: moderate coalition. That's what he wants to do. However, the

1975
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 22: left wing group themselves are saying that the first tax

1976
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Speaker 22: priority when they come in is a tax on the

1977
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 22: super rich, anyone earning over four hundred thousand euros a

1978
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 22: year will be paying ninety percent tax at a certain level.

1979
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Speaker 22: And they also want to reduce the pension age back

1980
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 22: down to sixty So you can see why a lot

1981
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 22: of people vote for them.

1982
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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen, is it.

1983
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Speaker 22: No, it's not gonna happen. But I tell you what,

1984
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 22: I've spent a few days in France. Now there's a

1985
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 22: lot of anger over there. Macron is not popular at all.

1986
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Speaker 22: People have people on the right and the far right

1987
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 22: are very angry about migration. People on the left are

1988
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,560
Speaker 22: angry about the super rich just basically getting richer, and

1989
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 22: everyone else kind of just really struggling to make ends meet.

1990
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Speaker 22: It's not in a good place. And I spent two

1991
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 22: days in Paris, and let me tell you, A, they

1992
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 22: are not ready for the Olympics. And B you speak

1993
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 22: to Parisians and I know they're famously grumpy. They're beyond

1994
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 22: board of telling people that they don't want the Olympics.

1995
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 22: So it's strange. I mean, you know, seeing security ramping up.

1996
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 22: I went to look at the Eiffel Tower. We did

1997
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 22: some filming yesterday and all Parisians can tell you is

1998
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 22: that this is going to be a terrible thing for Paris.

1999
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 22: So I was telling them that, you know, with the

2000
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 22: same thing in London and twenty twelve Londoners felt it

2001
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 22: wouldn't be good, and by two days in they were

2002
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 22: loving it. So Refrench change, I say, they're not ready

2003
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 22: because I'm seeing scaffolding everywhere. I'm seeing security operations with

2004
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 22: people who genuinely didn't seem to have a clue what

2005
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 22: was going on yesterday. And on top of that, what

2006
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 22: I really don't like is the fact that the Metro,

2007
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 22: the underground system out there cube basically you can't tap

2008
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 22: and go with your mobile phone, so having hundreds of

2009
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 22: thousands of people on the move every few hours for

2010
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 22: sporting events, the quickest way to get around the city

2011
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 22: is the Metro. And yes, you can go and buy

2012
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 22: a book of twenty tickets in advance if you qu up.

2013
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 22: But I think we're so used to certainly in London,

2014
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 22: you know, tap on your mobile phone, off you go.

2015
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 22: Seven stops later you're out where you want to be,

2016
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Speaker 22: and that can't happen in Paris.

2017
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Speaker 2: And to thank you very much, appreciate it. Talk to

2018
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 2: you in a couple of days. It's into brady Are,

2019
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 2: UK correspondent, I've got fantastic news for you. Country Kendy

2020
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: is going to remain open. I don't know if you've

2021
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 2: been across this, but Country Candy is the daycare, early

2022
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: childhood education center whatever in the minnow we two and

2023
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 2: it's like the only it's somewhere near Hunterville. I'm not

2024
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 2: entirely sure exactly where, but around about there and it's

2025
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 2: the only one for miles and miles and miles and miles,

2026
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 2: and the Ministry of Education she shut it down last week.

2027
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 2: It was just like, okay, you know you're not meeting

2028
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 2: the curriculum requirements. Bang gone, and then what are the

2029
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 2: parents going to do? Just like that, Just like that,

2030
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 2: appearents now have got toddlers at home and how do

2031
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 2: you go to work? David Simol has just put out

2032
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 2: a press release says Country Candy in Manaouo two is

2033
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: going to stay open after being granted a stay from

2034
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 2: the Ministry of Education for twelve weeks. When I heard

2035
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 2: of the decision made last week to shut down Country Candy,

2036
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 2: I was immediately concerned. I asked officials to explain the

2037
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 2: government is currently undergoing a sector review for the early

2038
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 2: childhood sector to basically, you know, deal with all affordability

2039
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: issues and all the retape and stuff. If we can

2040
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: make it easier for educators to focus on kids safety

2041
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 2: and learning and less on the paperwork, then it will

2042
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: be in the children's interests because they benefit the most.

2043
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 2: Thank God, an adult has stepped in here. There is

2044
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 2: a court process underway, so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, I don't

2045
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 2: know if it means that the twelve weeks day gives

2046
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:21,759
Speaker 2: them the opportunity to get the court process done or whatever,

2047
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 2: but hopefully that some common sense makes its way through,

2048
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,600
Speaker 2: because you can't just do that to parents. Ministry of

2049
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 2: Education seven away from seven.

2050
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics, it's all

2051
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

2052
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,799
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used.

2053
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Talksp OH five away from seven. Oh, Heather, can someone

2054
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 2: please confirm the elephant in the room, which is the

2055
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 2: actual reason that lu Lusun has changed allegiances because she

2056
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: didn't make the Swiss Olympic team. It's really lovely that

2057
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 2: she loved the ASB open, but this fluffy narrative is

2058
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 2: a bit exhausting. Neil Yes, Neil, I think that you're correct.

2059
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: It hasn't really been as far as I can tell.

2060
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 2: It hasn't been set out right that Lulu has come

2061
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 2: back to New Zealand and I no my height a

2062
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,839
Speaker 2: my Lulu because I'm loving what you're doing at Wimbledon.

2063
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 2: It hasn't been set out right that the reason that

2064
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 2: she's come back is because of the missing out on

2065
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 2: the Olympic team. But it's been hinted at, for example,

2066
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 2: in an article in The New York Times, which has

2067
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 2: been charting her recent success. It's set in March. Luluson

2068
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 2: confirmed the switch, incentivized in no small part by the

2069
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 2: carrot of being able to represent the country at this

2070
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 2: summer's Olympics in Plaris. She will play doubles and is

2071
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 2: on the Alternative Alternate list for singles. So yeah, you

2072
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 2: bang on, Hey, listen to this. This is crazy. Did

2073
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 2: you realize that there are appearents hoe gets so stumped

2074
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 2: by being able to pick a baby name that they

2075
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 2: pay tens of thousands of dollars to hire professional baby

2076
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 2: namers for them. I am not making them.

2077
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: This up.

2078
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 2: One of them. Taylor Humphrey has spoken to media about this.

2079
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 2: She says some of her VIP clients pay her thirty

2080
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,839
Speaker 2: bucks just to find a name for the thirty thousand

2081
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 2: bucks excuse me to pay a name for them, find

2082
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 2: a name for their babies. I get clients who come

2083
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 2: to me when they're trying to conceive and they want

2084
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: that name, so as they're going through IVF or their

2085
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,640
Speaker 2: conception journey, they can really call in the spirit of

2086
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 2: their baby, just leaving that there for you. Not everyone's

2087
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 2: normal ants.

2088
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 17: Rush by Troy Sevanta take us out tonight. Troy has

2089
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 17: announced that on his tour of Australia, he's going to

2090
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 17: squeak a New Zealand date in as well, so he

2091
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 17: will be playing at Spark Arena in Auckland. Unfortunately that's

2092
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 17: the only New Zealand shur so you will have to

2093
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 17: get to Auckland if you're in the rest of the country.

2094
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 17: That will be on December the second. It'll be his

2095
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 17: first time here since twenty nineteen when he also played

2096
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 17: at Spark Arena.

2097
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Thank You Ans, I did a song once that I

2098
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 2: really liked, so you know it was next one.

2099
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 10: You've never heard this one.

2100
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 2: Before, but it's not horrible.

2101
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 17: Frey ticket oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty Troy to

2102
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 17: call through and saw that what he does for atrics?

2103
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: Oh it goes yet. Date all right, enjoy an evening,

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow Bike.

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