1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: It turns out New Zealand Rugby commission to report into 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: players with head injuries all the way back in twenty nineteen, 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: and this report included the late rugby star Shane Christy 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: and his concussion care. But the thing is they kept 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: it a secret and even he wasn't allowed to share 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: it before his death. He gave it to the Herald 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: and told the Herald only to release it if he died. 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: The reporter who dealt with it was Herold investigative journalist 9 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: David Fisher Hi. David Hi there had why was it 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: kept secret? 11 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: The report that it was originally done was done on 12 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: the basis of confidentiality, which was something that Shane had 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: agreed to. This was a report that looked at how 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: he had been treated for his concussion symptoms over the 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: time that he had been involved with Indeed Rugby. But 16 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: there was the second part to the report that Shane believed, 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: once he'd seen the finished copy, didn't need to be confidential, 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: and that was the bit of the report that he 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: had specifically asked to be done because he wanted Indeed Rugby. 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: He wanted a reflection on what Indeed Rugby did and 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: whether it could be doing it better and he wanted 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: that for all the other players who were still playing, 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: and that was the part of the report that he 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: wanted released from the confidentiality so that it could be 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: made public and what ended. 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't agree to that. 27 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: That's right, Shane, after the death of his friend Billy Geison, 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: fellow Tessamon Marco's player, had gone back to Indied Rugby 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: and said this needs to be out in public so 30 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: that you can be tracked as to whether or not 31 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: you've actually followed through on any of these recommendations. And 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: Mark Robinson, who was the chief executive Indeed Rugby, said no, 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: we're not having that. There's a letter that he had 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: said to shame for his lawyers saying you agreed to 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: confidentiality and that's what we're sticking with. 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Do they not want it out there? 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Well, they're talking a different story now, to be fair 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: to said Rugby. When the issue of confidentially confidentiality came 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: up around this report all the way back that it 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: was done around twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, it was it 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: was to give the medical people who had been treating 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: Shane in a medical sense some protection in terms of 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: their identity. So there was a not unexpected reason about 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: this at the outset, and it was about looking after 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: those doctors and their privacy rather than about any dirty 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: secrets that Edsid Rugby might want to keep out of 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: the public eye. But look, it's changed. It has changed 48 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: in the years since Shane gave you that report and 49 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: his death. It's more like ten months, I suppose. But 50 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: Ensi Rugby is now saying we need to find a 51 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: way to get those recommendations out and we want to 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: be able to do that now. 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Am I right in thinking one of the RECOMMD indations 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: is a greater standdown period for concussion. 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: There was one of the things that was raised. There 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: were many things that were raised in there that shames 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: very Keen to have explored. 58 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, David listen, thank you very much to appreciate its 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: David Fisher and New Zealand Herald investigative journalist Heather with 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: Mody holding hands with potent. I'm surprised John Keat didn't 61 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: try to join in for more from Heather Duplessy Allen 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Drive Listen live to news talks they'd be from four 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.