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Speaker 1: Jason Wool's news dogs. There be political editors with us now.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Jason, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: He did you ask David seymore about that poll?

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Speaker 2: I did. Indeed, it was an interesting poll in terms

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Speaker 2: of the results there. We had forty six percent of

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Speaker 2: nearly half people saying that given all the sort of

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Speaker 2: what's going on with the Cook Islands in terms of

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Speaker 2: this closer relationship that it has with China, should they essentially,

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Speaker 2: you know, should they be well, I'll read the poll

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Speaker 2: to you. Actually, it might be a little bit easier.

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Speaker 2: The Cook Islands government is pursuing closest strategic ties with China,

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Speaker 2: ignoring New Zealand's wishes and not consulting with the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand government. Given this, should the Cook Islands continue to

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Speaker 2: enjoy automatic access to New Zealand's passports, citizenship, healthcare and

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Speaker 2: education when its government pursues a foreign policy against the

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Speaker 2: wishes of New Zealand. So thirty percent of people said yes,

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Speaker 2: forty six percent of people said no, which is quite

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Speaker 2: an interesting figure. So I asked see more about that.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 3: There's been a long and fruitful relationship between the Cook

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Speaker 3: Islands and New Zealand. And Free Association. There's been a

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Speaker 3: bit of a bump in the road lately, but that

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Speaker 3: has been worked through between our Prime Minister, our Foreign

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Speaker 3: Minister and their government. I believe in the long term

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Speaker 3: New Zealand needs the Cooks, the Cooks need New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to get each other. It would be

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Speaker 3: I think premature to start pulling out withdrawals of long

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Speaker 3: held and cherished rights of citizenship and entry between the

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Speaker 3: two countries.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't sound like it's going to happen, and

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Speaker 2: frankly I didn't think that it would. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: mean the government you said it himself there. It's a

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Speaker 2: bit of a bump in the road. So we'll wait

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Speaker 2: to see what happens with the Prime Minister or over there.

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Speaker 2: We wait to see what happens between China and the Cooks,

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Speaker 2: as well as New Zealand and the Cook Islands as well.

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Speaker 2: We haven't had any update per se on how things

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Speaker 2: are going, or at least David Seymour hadn't when I

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Speaker 2: spoke to him this afternoon. But as appealed but interesting numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to happen as it I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's obviously a little bit of public support for it.

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Speaker 1: It's a very small margin. But it's not going to happen,

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Speaker 1: is it? Because the people of the cooks are not

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Speaker 1: going to let that happen.

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, if it was ever a legitimately legitimately

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Speaker 2: on the table, there would be a revolt over in

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Speaker 2: the Cook Islands because they get a lot out of this,

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Speaker 2: and obviously back in New Zealand as well, there'd be

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Speaker 2: people here that would take to the streets. I mean,

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Speaker 2: as this poll shows, there's more people supporting no than yes,

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Speaker 2: but you would still get a groundswell of support around

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Speaker 2: people that really, despite what was going on, wanted the

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Speaker 2: best interests of the people of the Cook Islands in mind.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm pretty sure they would force Mark brown Puller's

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Speaker 1: head in. Actually now, David Seymour prime Minister for a day.

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Speaker 1: How did he go in the postcap?

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Speaker 2: I think he went pretty well. I mean he struck

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Speaker 2: a pretty middle of the road tone over the situation

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Have a listen, We're not sitting on the fence, nor

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Speaker 3: are we rushing to judgment. I believe the world is

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Speaker 3: not sitting there waiting for New Zealand to give its

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Speaker 3: position on the legality of the situation.

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Speaker 2: As much as I'd like to think that the world

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Speaker 2: was waiting for New Zealand to weigh in on this situation,

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Speaker 2: He's right, they're not. And the worst thing would what

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Speaker 2: could happen right now his New Zealand would come in

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Speaker 2: too hard, too early and say something that it ultimately

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Speaker 2: would get contradicted, and then we would look like a

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Speaker 2: fool on the global stage. There was always a bit

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Speaker 2: of a risk that Deputy or acting Prime Minister David

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Speaker 2: Seymour would say something that's a little bit more act

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Speaker 2: Party esque than Prime ministerial. And you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that he had a pretty statesmanly like response to some things,

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Speaker 2: apart from when he was asked his response to what

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Speaker 2: Labour stance on US versus Iran was what do you

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Speaker 2: make of the opposition's response to this? The Labor Party

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Speaker 2: have been very against what the US have done. Tipati

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Speaker 2: Marti on similar vein well.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of people that don't have all the intelligence, I'd

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Speaker 3: categorize them that way.

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Speaker 2: So there's Seymour and he wasn't a fan of Tory.

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Speaker 2: Fanner writing to the Prime Minister saying that David Seymour

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Speaker 2: was breaching the Cabinet manual over his calling out of

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Speaker 2: people who were critical of the Regulatory Standards Bill. She

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Speaker 2: says that it breaches the Cabinet manual. Just curious about

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Speaker 2: what your response to that is.

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Speaker 3: So sorry, talk to Glory find Hours accusing me of

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Speaker 3: inappropriate behavior. Yeah, I've heard it all.

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Speaker 2: So the troll David is still there, even if the

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Speaker 2: acting Prime Minister David is mainly in control.

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Speaker 1: Jason, did anybody ask him? Did he explain why it

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Speaker 1: is that the Australians are fully backing the US attacks

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Speaker 1: and we're not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He did. He was asked about that extensively, and essentially

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Speaker 2: he just came back to this point that the world

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Speaker 2: isn't waiting for New Zealand to respond, and it's not

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Speaker 2: really within our national interests to come out swinging on

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Speaker 2: something like this. But you have to question, when it

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Speaker 2: is Australia who are our only formal allies, we should

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Speaker 2: surely be taking the same stance as them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's the harm in that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Listen, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it. Jason Wall's

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