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Speaker 1: Ukraine has been left out of peace talks over the

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Speaker 1: state and the fate of its own country. The US

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Speaker 1: and Russia are flying to Saudi Arabia to not out

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Speaker 1: a deal. I spoke to Jeffrey Price a short time ago.

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Speaker 1: He used to be negotiated with the Secretary of Defense

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Speaker 1: in the US. He has been at the table with

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Speaker 1: the Russians before, and he says there is no deal

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Speaker 1: to be done without Zelensky at the table at some point.

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Speaker 2: The Ukrainians and the Russians are very far apart right now.

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Speaker 2: So it seems to me that unless we get more

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Speaker 2: pressure on Russia, it's going to be hard to get

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Speaker 2: to something which is acceptable to all sides.

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Speaker 1: Timbi Powell is the chairman of Kei week Care. That's

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Speaker 1: a charity that delivers aid and helps people evacuate from

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians with me this evening high Timbi get afternoon, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: what do you reckon no deal without Ukraine?

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Speaker 3: Say so, Well, that's a stark example of geopolitical injustice.

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Speaker 1: I guess it hasn't happened yet. We could see some

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Speaker 1: involvement from Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Well, one would hope, So one would hope. The Sadis

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Speaker 3: who are hosting this meeting would have the presence of

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Speaker 3: mind to invite Snansky at some stage. But I think

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Speaker 3: it's important to understand that, you know, this war hasn't

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Speaker 3: just happened since February twenty twenty two. It's been going

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Speaker 3: on since February twenty twenty four. And it's important to

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Speaker 3: remember that while Russia's illegal, full scale war did start

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two when Russia annexed Crimea and supported

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Speaker 3: separatist movements under flag operations in st Ukraine, since then,

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Speaker 3: the international community's response has been inconsistent and woefully inadequate,

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Speaker 3: and one would hope that now, at last, there's going

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Speaker 3: to be a change to that, which seems to be

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Speaker 3: the case with Keir Starmer and the French President leading

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Speaker 3: the charge to get European leaders together at last.

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Speaker 1: Do they have enough troops though, And that's the question, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, without an ATO, without the US, are they

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Speaker 1: enough on their own?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They are. Look, Ukraine has proved to the world

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Speaker 3: that they can win this war, and they did that

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Speaker 3: in the winter of twenty twenty two. In the spring

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Speaker 3: of twenty three, the counter offense of that Ukraine mounted

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Speaker 3: and really did push Russia right back with a momentum

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Speaker 3: that the likes of which we've never seen before, was

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Speaker 3: lightning and extraordinary. And then of course Mike Johnson was

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Speaker 3: appointed a speaker in the US Senate and the rest

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Speaker 3: is history. He stopped the flow of both aid money

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Speaker 3: and weapons systems to Ukraine, and that filibusting has got

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Speaker 3: us into the position we are today. And I say

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Speaker 3: that because the fortifications that Russia have mounted and developed

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Speaker 3: on that eastern Ukraine border are just phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: You have very close links with everyone and with people

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine, obviously through your charity, but also a whole

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Speaker 1: range of networks. If you say, too Ukrainian soldiers give

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Speaker 1: up a fifth of your territory and stop fighting, will that?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I've said, we've been there since pretty much

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Speaker 3: May twenty twenty two, so three months after the war

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Speaker 3: started thereabouts, and I've made it my business as far

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Speaker 3: east as we've gone in Russia and Siberg pardon fortiencel

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Speaker 3: in Ukraine to ask those that live there whether they

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Speaker 3: consider themselves Russian or Ukrainian, and to a person they

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Speaker 3: have said, we are or I am Ukrainian. And we've

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Speaker 3: been to a place called a chance Ryn, which has

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Speaker 3: now fallen sadly, it was only about one where we

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Speaker 3: were about one kilometer from the Russian border. And even

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Speaker 3: though they all speak Russian, and you know, the vast

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Speaker 3: majority do speak Russian in those eastern parts of Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: they still consider themselves very much to be Ukrainian.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time, Timby, and you're input

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Speaker 1: timb power, Key, we care, that's key, We eight and

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