1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:50,213 Speaker 1: from news Talks at b. 3 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:40,613 Speaker 2: I reckon. This has to be one of the best 4 00:00:41,053 --> 00:00:43,493 Speaker 2: rock songs ever written by a New Zealand band. It's 5 00:00:43,573 --> 00:00:47,573 Speaker 2: run By She Had? She Had? Of course, are breaking up? 6 00:00:48,453 --> 00:00:52,373 Speaker 2: Or are they? Maybe? I'm just telling myself hopefully that 7 00:00:52,493 --> 00:00:54,853 Speaker 2: in a couple of years the guys would get back together. 8 00:00:54,933 --> 00:00:57,533 Speaker 2: But no, at least the official line at the moment 9 00:00:57,653 --> 00:01:01,173 Speaker 2: is that tonight their performance at Homegrown and Wellington where 10 00:01:01,733 --> 00:01:04,253 Speaker 2: things began for them three and a half decades ago, 11 00:01:05,213 --> 00:01:07,853 Speaker 2: the Capital, that will be their performance. Chris Schultz though, 12 00:01:08,493 --> 00:01:12,173 Speaker 2: was it Spark Arena last night for the stadium spectacular? 13 00:01:12,293 --> 00:01:14,933 Speaker 2: She had? Second to last ever show and he's with 14 00:01:15,013 --> 00:01:18,573 Speaker 2: us this morning, killed her Jack? How was it? 15 00:01:18,573 --> 00:01:21,613 Speaker 3: It was everything you'd expect from a from a stadium 16 00:01:21,693 --> 00:01:24,453 Speaker 3: show by She Had. It was two songs from every album. 17 00:01:24,493 --> 00:01:27,413 Speaker 3: It was phones in the air, it was mosh pits balancing, 18 00:01:27,453 --> 00:01:31,133 Speaker 3: it was comfort Me and run. They played Run, Pacifier, 19 00:01:31,253 --> 00:01:35,333 Speaker 3: Wait and See Home Again, all of the anthems, everyone 20 00:01:35,373 --> 00:01:38,173 Speaker 3: on their feet, Pyro. I've never seen Pyro at she 21 00:01:38,213 --> 00:01:38,613 Speaker 3: Had show. 22 00:01:38,693 --> 00:01:39,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, lots of Pyro. 23 00:01:40,533 --> 00:01:42,133 Speaker 3: So it was that It wasn't. 24 00:01:42,013 --> 00:01:43,893 Speaker 2: It was the big stadium stuff. 25 00:01:44,013 --> 00:01:46,813 Speaker 3: It wasn't the emotional Yeah, there wasn't really room for 26 00:01:46,853 --> 00:01:49,813 Speaker 3: the emotions to kick in. I think it was more afterwards. 27 00:01:49,853 --> 00:01:53,373 Speaker 3: It's more today, I think for me, especially that I'm 28 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:55,853 Speaker 3: just sort of sitting here thinking, oh, we can't do 29 00:01:56,013 --> 00:01:56,493 Speaker 3: this again. 30 00:01:56,613 --> 00:01:59,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you or she head fan absolutely, okay, from 31 00:01:59,653 --> 00:02:02,493 Speaker 2: from from away back and maybe just for listeners, you 32 00:02:02,493 --> 00:02:04,213 Speaker 2: can explain to us that they've sort of gone through 33 00:02:04,253 --> 00:02:07,853 Speaker 2: a transition over the decades. Their sound has changed a bit. 34 00:02:08,493 --> 00:02:10,693 Speaker 2: There was that the time when they went to the 35 00:02:10,813 --> 00:02:13,173 Speaker 2: US that happened to come inside with the fallout from 36 00:02:13,253 --> 00:02:15,213 Speaker 2: nine to eleven, which was a time when having a 37 00:02:15,293 --> 00:02:18,053 Speaker 2: name like She hadn't it wasn't necessarily very very easy. 38 00:02:18,973 --> 00:02:21,613 Speaker 2: But yeah, they've gone through a bit of a journey totally. 39 00:02:21,613 --> 00:02:24,053 Speaker 3: They started out as like these young metal kids with 40 00:02:24,213 --> 00:02:27,133 Speaker 3: mullets at Wellington High School. You know, their favorite acts 41 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:31,093 Speaker 3: were like Ozzie Osborn and you know Black Sabbath, that 42 00:02:31,173 --> 00:02:34,413 Speaker 3: kind of thing. That's how they kicked things off they did. 43 00:02:34,613 --> 00:02:37,333 Speaker 3: I mean, they released the biggest album of their careers 44 00:02:37,413 --> 00:02:39,573 Speaker 3: in the mid nineties with the General Electric That's the 45 00:02:39,613 --> 00:02:41,893 Speaker 3: one everyone remembers for those big d out shows when 46 00:02:41,893 --> 00:02:44,133 Speaker 3: they owned that six pm slot. They were known for 47 00:02:44,213 --> 00:02:46,973 Speaker 3: just coming on and absolutely killing it at the big 48 00:02:47,053 --> 00:02:49,613 Speaker 3: day out. And then yes, they went on this bit 49 00:02:49,653 --> 00:02:52,853 Speaker 3: of a journey. They had this like weird thing with 50 00:02:52,893 --> 00:02:56,253 Speaker 3: the Passifire album, which they've since like reclaimed as she 51 00:02:56,413 --> 00:03:00,053 Speaker 3: had album. Yeah, and they lightened up a bit too, 52 00:03:00,173 --> 00:03:02,733 Speaker 3: like in the twenty ten there was a poppyar element 53 00:03:02,773 --> 00:03:04,653 Speaker 3: to it. And then they came back with Five Eyes 54 00:03:04,693 --> 00:03:08,213 Speaker 3: and Old Gods, two albums which are my favorite. She 55 00:03:08,253 --> 00:03:11,893 Speaker 3: had albums really so heavy, they're so brutal. They recorded 56 00:03:11,933 --> 00:03:14,613 Speaker 3: Five Eyes with jas Coleman and just fought the whole 57 00:03:14,653 --> 00:03:16,893 Speaker 3: time and you can hear it on that record. They 58 00:03:16,973 --> 00:03:19,733 Speaker 3: were my favorite moments last night. He's just huge, rumbling 59 00:03:19,853 --> 00:03:23,613 Speaker 3: basslines and just being pummeled by them, you know, like 60 00:03:23,693 --> 00:03:24,733 Speaker 3: it felt like that. 61 00:03:24,893 --> 00:03:27,933 Speaker 2: So if they've had what teen albums, I think about 62 00:03:27,933 --> 00:03:31,333 Speaker 2: that and the last two are your favorite, what do 63 00:03:31,333 --> 00:03:32,973 Speaker 2: you think about the decision for them to break up? 64 00:03:33,373 --> 00:03:38,573 Speaker 3: Ridiculous? Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I think they haven't properly thought 65 00:03:38,653 --> 00:03:40,973 Speaker 3: this through. If you look at what's happening in the 66 00:03:40,973 --> 00:03:44,693 Speaker 3: current landscape right Metallica selling at Eden Park Oasis are 67 00:03:44,693 --> 00:03:46,813 Speaker 3: going on a world too. Of these bands that remind 68 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:50,453 Speaker 3: us of simpler times when the world wasn't this complicated, 69 00:03:50,933 --> 00:03:54,213 Speaker 3: are just going off. They're re releasing their vinyl records 70 00:03:54,213 --> 00:03:57,173 Speaker 3: that you know, these splatter editions twentieth Anniversary and then 71 00:03:57,213 --> 00:04:01,613 Speaker 3: ninety five dollars. They are making money and you can't 72 00:04:01,653 --> 00:04:04,773 Speaker 3: get she Heads albums. I cannot get the general electric 73 00:04:04,813 --> 00:04:06,853 Speaker 3: on vinyl. You can't do this. They haven't done that, 74 00:04:06,933 --> 00:04:09,693 Speaker 3: so I think they've I don't know. I mean I 75 00:04:09,693 --> 00:04:11,933 Speaker 3: sat down with them yesterday right before the show, and 76 00:04:11,973 --> 00:04:14,573 Speaker 3: I asked them, are you sure? And they would not 77 00:04:14,693 --> 00:04:17,173 Speaker 3: answer that question. They would look at me. It got 78 00:04:17,213 --> 00:04:19,013 Speaker 3: really awkward. I might as well have chucked a dead 79 00:04:19,093 --> 00:04:19,973 Speaker 3: cat on the table. 80 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:20,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:20,773 --> 00:04:23,173 Speaker 3: I don't think they've fully thought this through. So look, 82 00:04:23,213 --> 00:04:25,613 Speaker 3: I don't think this is the end. I can totally 83 00:04:25,653 --> 00:04:28,813 Speaker 3: see them having a really big break yep. Maybe a 84 00:04:28,813 --> 00:04:30,773 Speaker 3: couple of years, yeah, for sure. But then you know, 85 00:04:30,813 --> 00:04:33,333 Speaker 3: I spoke to you about Electric Avenue a couple of 86 00:04:33,413 --> 00:04:36,933 Speaker 3: weeks ago. The biggest act I saw there were the Dudes. Yeah, 87 00:04:36,973 --> 00:04:40,133 Speaker 3: that fifty year old band. That festival was made for 88 00:04:40,173 --> 00:04:41,893 Speaker 3: a band like She had to come back in a 89 00:04:41,893 --> 00:04:44,453 Speaker 3: couple of years and just rock like the Big Day 90 00:04:44,453 --> 00:04:44,853 Speaker 3: out all. 91 00:04:44,773 --> 00:04:46,893 Speaker 2: Over here and absolutely crush it. Did you know, I've 92 00:04:46,893 --> 00:04:48,453 Speaker 2: got this kind of theory that I've asked a couple 93 00:04:48,493 --> 00:04:50,573 Speaker 2: of musics about it before, and I don't know, I've 94 00:04:50,613 --> 00:04:54,173 Speaker 2: never quite nailed the question. But I feel like rock music, 95 00:04:54,453 --> 00:04:57,133 Speaker 2: like rock performed by a three or four piece band, 96 00:04:57,653 --> 00:05:01,653 Speaker 2: has just kind of been through this really uncharacteristic dip 97 00:05:01,893 --> 00:05:04,253 Speaker 2: in the last ten years. Like it just hasn't like 98 00:05:04,733 --> 00:05:07,613 Speaker 2: bands haven't kind of held the place in global music 99 00:05:07,653 --> 00:05:09,413 Speaker 2: that they used to, Like there's been a real resurgence 100 00:05:09,413 --> 00:05:11,813 Speaker 2: of pop and hip hop and all of these other things. 101 00:05:12,053 --> 00:05:14,813 Speaker 2: But I reckon the tide is just starting to shift, 102 00:05:14,853 --> 00:05:16,813 Speaker 2: you know, everything is kind of cyclical, And I reckon 103 00:05:17,253 --> 00:05:18,973 Speaker 2: like you say that, like we're kind of heading back 104 00:05:19,013 --> 00:05:21,733 Speaker 2: into an era where people actually want to hear from 105 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:23,813 Speaker 2: a group with you know, one or two guitarist, the 106 00:05:23,813 --> 00:05:26,013 Speaker 2: bassis and the drummer, a person screaming at the front 107 00:05:26,013 --> 00:05:26,453 Speaker 2: of the stage. 108 00:05:26,453 --> 00:05:30,733 Speaker 3: And yeah, last year's best show, by far best two 109 00:05:30,813 --> 00:05:34,453 Speaker 3: shows was pel Jam out at Mount Smart Stadium. Those 110 00:05:34,493 --> 00:05:37,853 Speaker 3: shows were so emotional. It was just after the election. 111 00:05:38,093 --> 00:05:41,773 Speaker 3: Eddie Vedder was just such a generous and kind front man, 112 00:05:41,813 --> 00:05:44,253 Speaker 3: and he just got us through that moment. Those shows 113 00:05:44,333 --> 00:05:47,253 Speaker 3: were incredible and yeah we don't. The thing I keep 114 00:05:47,293 --> 00:05:49,493 Speaker 3: thinking about is who steps up until she had places 115 00:05:49,493 --> 00:05:51,293 Speaker 3: where we don't have a band. Who can't do that? 116 00:05:51,453 --> 00:05:52,933 Speaker 2: No, not that moment, No. 117 00:05:52,773 --> 00:05:53,333 Speaker 3: That's time. 118 00:05:53,653 --> 00:05:56,693 Speaker 2: It totally is yeah, yeah, yeah, like you say, it 119 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:59,533 Speaker 2: kind of spans generations. Like I was saying at the 120 00:05:59,533 --> 00:06:01,733 Speaker 2: start of this hourt you know, if you ask my 121 00:06:01,773 --> 00:06:03,773 Speaker 2: eight year old, who's your favorite band, he says she 122 00:06:03,933 --> 00:06:04,813 Speaker 2: had Wow. 123 00:06:04,693 --> 00:06:05,213 Speaker 1: Like there you go. 124 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:10,533 Speaker 2: It's crazy. So the final show, Little Asterix there is 125 00:06:10,533 --> 00:06:14,373 Speaker 2: tonight Homegrown. What do you think people who are lucky 126 00:06:14,453 --> 00:06:17,173 Speaker 2: enough to see them perform tonight should expect. 127 00:06:17,453 --> 00:06:19,693 Speaker 3: I think it might be a little bit more like 128 00:06:20,093 --> 00:06:21,973 Speaker 3: the Power Station show I saw on Wednesday. 129 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:23,093 Speaker 2: This is a surprise show. 130 00:06:23,373 --> 00:06:25,973 Speaker 3: That was a quick fire show. They did not want 131 00:06:25,973 --> 00:06:27,533 Speaker 3: to leave the stage. They played for two and a 132 00:06:27,573 --> 00:06:30,813 Speaker 3: half hours, twenty seven songs encore after OnCore. You could 133 00:06:30,813 --> 00:06:32,973 Speaker 3: see they just didn't want it to be over. I think, 134 00:06:33,413 --> 00:06:36,773 Speaker 3: you know, homegrowns their home city. They'll have so many 135 00:06:36,813 --> 00:06:39,813 Speaker 3: friends and family there right who're right at the start, 136 00:06:41,213 --> 00:06:43,053 Speaker 3: It's going to be special. It's going to be really special. 137 00:06:43,093 --> 00:06:44,813 Speaker 3: I wish I was there, and I saw them twice 138 00:06:44,853 --> 00:06:45,253 Speaker 3: this week. 139 00:06:45,333 --> 00:06:49,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man. I hope you I hope that you've 140 00:06:49,293 --> 00:06:51,253 Speaker 2: picked up on something and that maybe you know, they'll 141 00:06:51,253 --> 00:06:54,693 Speaker 2: revisit that decision in months or years to come. But 142 00:06:55,053 --> 00:06:57,573 Speaker 2: it sounds like last night was a pretty epic performance. 143 00:06:57,653 --> 00:07:00,293 Speaker 2: Wednesday was really intimate and amazing, and I'm sure tonight 144 00:07:00,333 --> 00:07:02,853 Speaker 2: will be amazing too. Thank you so much, Chris, really 145 00:07:02,893 --> 00:07:05,053 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Chris Shultz, who's been lucky enough to be 146 00:07:05,053 --> 00:07:08,733 Speaker 2: at two of the three of Art's final performances. This week, 147 00:07:08,773 --> 00:07:12,533 Speaker 2: we'll dig out Well, one of everyone's favorites to play 148 00:07:12,533 --> 00:07:13,933 Speaker 2: out the show in a couple of minutes from She 149 00:07:13,973 --> 00:07:16,013 Speaker 2: had a head of that homegrown performance. Right now, it 150 00:07:16,173 --> 00:07:17,573 Speaker 2: is eight minutes to twelve. 151 00:07:18,853 --> 00:07:21,973 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 152 00:07:22,053 --> 00:07:24,893 Speaker 1: to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or 153 00:07:24,933 --> 00:07:26,853 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.