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Speaker 1: Together due for Cellen.

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Speaker 2: Now, Auckland Transport has spent in eye watering sixty three

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Speaker 2: million dollars on traffic management and road cones in the

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Speaker 2: last year. The mayor has slammed the cost, saying it

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Speaker 2: equates to about three percent rates rise across the city.

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Speaker 2: Tracy Burkhan is with Auckland Transport high Tracy Hi Heather,

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Speaker 2: mayor says it's too much, is it?

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Speaker 1: It's it's not too much if you think about it

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Speaker 1: in context. Fundamentally, we agree with the mayor. We agree

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Speaker 1: that there's still more work to do. So sixty three

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Speaker 1: million is a big number, but you have to put

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Speaker 1: that in context of a one point two plus billion

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Speaker 1: dollar infrastructure program, and that equates to roughly five percent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but hold on hold to what is in this

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Speaker 2: infrastructure program. Is that is that one point two billion

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Speaker 2: dollars just for roading?

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Speaker 1: Not all of Auckland Transport's capital program last year was

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Speaker 1: around the one point two billion.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what does that include. That's not just

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Speaker 2: roading and cycle ways.

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Speaker 1: So you've got things that will Obviously the Eastern Busflow

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Speaker 1: project is roading, but it's a public transport major benefit

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Speaker 1: for the city. So yeah, that what else all sorts

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Speaker 1: of capital, Yeah, foot paths, all.

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Speaker 2: Of road cones need temporary traffic management for foot paths.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sure, so if you've got people concrete trucks pouring concrete,

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Speaker 1: odd foot paths where people need to be diverted to

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Speaker 1: the other side of the road so that they're not

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Speaker 1: walking by heavy machinery, and those sorts of things, that

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Speaker 1: will be a much life some of those.

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Speaker 2: If you're spending one point two billion dollars in a year,

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Speaker 2: then that means that you're spending one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: in a month, which means that you're spending what is that,

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Speaker 2: three million dollars in a day, which means that every

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Speaker 2: hour you're spending about two hundred Every light hour, you're

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Speaker 2: spending about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You're seriously

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Speaker 2: telling me that is how much money you people are

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Speaker 2: spending two hundred and fifty thousand dollars every hour.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're delivering huge infrastructure benefits to the city every year.

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Speaker 2: Well I find that amazing to anyway. Okay, now tell

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Speaker 2: me which of the two guidances are you using for

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Speaker 2: the temporary traffic management are you using the old one

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Speaker 2: or are you using the new one that the government

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Speaker 2: wants you to use.

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Speaker 1: So we're still transitioning to the new one, but we've

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Speaker 1: embraced the new one. It's an excellent change too.

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Speaker 2: Well, why aren't you just doing it? How hard does that?

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Speaker 2: Just ditch the old ones start using the new one.

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Speaker 1: This is really a once in a generation change for

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Speaker 1: the construction industry in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I've explain to me why you can't just get rid

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Speaker 2: of the old guidance and use the new guidance from today.

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Speaker 1: So we're working with all of the suppliers to do that.

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Speaker 1: But we've got contracts that specify the old way of

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Speaker 1: doing things. We're changing those all over to the new

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Speaker 1: way of doing things. And we're supporting the construction companies

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Speaker 1: out there who've got obligations under their health and safety

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Speaker 1: at work to requires to keep their people safe and

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Speaker 1: to keep the road users of Wookland safe.

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Speaker 2: So how much is it going to reduce the cost

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Speaker 2: of temporary traffic management by when we switched to the

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Speaker 2: old one to the new one?

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Speaker 1: So realistically, we've had the cost we've spent on temporary

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Speaker 1: traffic management.

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Speaker 2: And I'm asking you how much is it going to

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Speaker 2: reduce it by when we completely switch to the new one.

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Speaker 1: We're not really sure because what the new guide does

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Speaker 1: is it actually looks at each site specifically and says

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Speaker 1: what's the right amount of temporary traffic management for this site?

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Speaker 1: The old one said you must have twenty five cones

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Speaker 1: and they must be one meter apart. So now there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more thought put into a principles based approach

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Speaker 1: to it, and so necessarily you'll have fuer devices out

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Speaker 1: there and lower cost, but anticipations you may still have

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Speaker 1: the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Do you understand yet? When do you

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Speaker 2: anticipate that we will be completely switched to the new

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Speaker 2: one and the old one is gone?

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Speaker 1: So Auckland Transport is only going to consider the new

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Speaker 1: approach from the first of July twenty twenty six. We

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Speaker 1: won't be looking at the old applications, will only be

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Speaker 1: looking at the new application.

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Speaker 2: And when will all the contracts that contain the old

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Speaker 2: one be out and finished and we're only looking at

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Speaker 2: the new one and the new one is the only

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Speaker 2: one in effect.

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Speaker 1: So the government's put a line in the sand about that,

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Speaker 1: and Auckland Transport supports the minister. That's by the first

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Speaker 1: of July twenty twenty seven, fully all old contracts transferred across.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tracy, that's what I was after. I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Tracy Burkhan, Manager of Road Corridor Access and

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Speaker 2: Coordination at Auckland Transport. Basically, what that means is you

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Speaker 2: need to get used to paying the sixty three million

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Speaker 2: dollars or so that we're paying at the moment for

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Speaker 2: the transport traffic management, because we will be paying this

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Speaker 2: much at least until halfway through twenty twenty seven when

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Speaker 2: we switch to the new system. For more from Heather

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