1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: A surge in police college applications. We'll see recruitment wings 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: expand from eighty to one hundred people from next year. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: A record thirteen hundred and seventy two applicants were received 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: in July, followed by the second highest number in August. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: But the increased recruitment numbers mean some other police college 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: courses might need to move to districts or even online. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Casey Costello is the Associate Police Minister. She joins US 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: Live this morning. Good morning, minister, Good morning Harry. I'm 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: very well, thank you. I have to start with you've 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: released advice on the smoking issue, on the heated tobacco 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: products issue, and you released that last night, so I 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: had to start with this. Critics say most of this 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: actually isn't even related to heated dibatto tobacco products, or 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: some of it even is written by Philip Morris employees. 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: So and there's a lot of confusion in this space. 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: I just really someplace. Heated tobacco products were already in 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: New Zealand's market. They were already here. What we know 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: from health was that it was significantly less harmful than smoking. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: That we know that Health New Zealand released that and 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: we know other jurisdictions where heated tobacco had been used, 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: we'd seen significant smoking reductions. So what we did was 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: a trial to make a price differential to see is 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: people who hardcore, long term addictive smokers, which is what 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: we're dealing with now, had other options. So when I 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: met with quit smoking providers as well, they confirmed that 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: they are dealing with people who all the existing products, 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: including faithing, aren't working and are there other products. So 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: this is a trial, so one thing amongst the whole 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: range of things that we're producing. 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: So the Ministry of Health told you specifically that heated 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: tobacco tobacco products are proven to be less harmful than smoking. 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Yes, and this is the data, and this has been 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: released to media as well, that there's in terms of 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: the harm reduction, the number of products that are less harmful, 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: there's a rain of products that are less harmful, and 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: heated tobacco, which was already in the market in New Zealand, 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: was less harmful. So therefore, if you're trying to and 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: vaping since twenty eighteen, as much as we hate, vaping 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: has been a significant contributor to our massive reduction is 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: making but will people because this is just another. 41 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: All heated tobacco products are worse than vaping, right, so. 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: The worry they're not as low harm. 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: So, but the worries you have people go from vaping 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: to heated tobacco products. 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: No, and this was this was the point. We weren't this. 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: This is just one option that we were trialing to 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: see if it could provide some support to the smoking rates. 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: And you know, it's really frustrating when I you know, 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: this is such a massive issue. When I met with 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: heated other e quit smoking providers throughout New Zealand, the 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: frontline workers delivering services, I'm told that I'm the first 52 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: minister to actually meet with the frontline providers. Okay, so 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: this is this is why we're doing stuff. We're talking 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: to the people who are delivering the service. 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: I have three really quick yes, no questions, and then 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: I'm done with this and we can move to police. 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: Do you trust tobacco companies and their advice? 58 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: Well, I've never dealt with tobacco companies, so I have 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: no written some of these I've written some of these reports, 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: haven't they that? This is where there's been some discussion 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: that they have funded research. 62 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: But research trust research. 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: They fund this. This is why we're talking about. This 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: is a range of advice, a range of advice that 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: has been given for a product that is less. 66 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: His lux and or his office been in contact with 67 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: you over the last twenty four hours. Not with me, no, 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: but who who Winston. 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: I haven't had any contact with the Prominis's office. I'm 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: assuming my staff have met with his staff around what 71 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: we're doing and while all the media noise, but as 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: he said, he fully supports what we're doing. We're on 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: a way to achieving a common target. We're all trying 74 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: to get to smoke three twenty twenty five. We've just 75 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: got a different approach. 76 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of targets, the police. Obviously we need more police 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: on the beat. This must be encouraging. The number of 78 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: applicants to go to Police Training College. 79 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we're over double what we for the same period 80 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: last year were overdouble the number of applications. And the 81 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: one that's really encouraging, we've had seventy three so far 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: either rejoin or apply to rejoin the police. And our 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: attrition rate is still below five percent, which you compare 84 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: to other public services which range between eleven and fifty 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: four percent. Attrition rates police are at four point eight. 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: So you know, all of stuff we're doing about investing 87 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: in frontline policing, supporting them to get back to their 88 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: core functions of keeping our community safe is really working. 89 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: And it won't great news and. 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: It won't compromise the quality of the training. 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. We have totally committed to ensuring that 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: we maintain the same standards that we're not not going 93 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: to compromise that in any way, shape or form. But 94 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: what we have seen is a massive increase in the 95 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: number of people interested and that's that's fantastic news. 96 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: All right, minister, thank you very much for your time. 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Kit's Casey had a great day. 98 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: You two the Associate Minister of Police with us also 99 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Associate Health. 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