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Speaker 1: There was one Olympic story that came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of us. It was Hamish Care of course. Suddenly,

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Speaker 1: seemingly out of no where, we had the sort of

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Speaker 1: the best high jumper in the world. He was going

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Speaker 1: to be competing this weekend in Belgium apparently, but he said, no,

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Speaker 1: bugger it, I need to come and see Mike. So

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Speaker 1: he has and he's with this very very good morning

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Speaker 1: to you. Good morning, and I'm very well in congratulations

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Speaker 1: to on On all that's happened to you. I'm endlessly

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Speaker 1: and I suspect most people are endlessly fascinated by the

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Speaker 1: high jump, because we all did it at school sports.

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Speaker 1: And we started out with the scissors, didn't we, And

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Speaker 1: then at some point we realized there was no going

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Speaker 1: any further for us. But you presumably went nut, I

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Speaker 1: can do more.

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely the primary school kid who just kept on

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Speaker 2: going and come here.

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Speaker 1: Was it an attraction to you as a sport, Not really,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: I did athletics at a club at a young age,

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Speaker 2: and high jump was always the event that I was

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Speaker 2: best at, for sure. But I think the thing for

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Speaker 2: me was that every year I just got a little

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Speaker 2: bit more serious as I wanted to jump higher. So

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Speaker 2: every year I was said, like, Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: jump a new personal best and jump tens into me

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Speaker 2: just high this year, And to do that I kind

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Speaker 2: of just had to be a little bit more serious

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Speaker 2: of just slowly gotten more and more into it, and

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Speaker 2: then and then obviously the last fe years I've been

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Speaker 2: pretty serious.

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Speaker 1: But I can't remember the name of the term. So

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Speaker 1: do you start with the scissors? What's the one where

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Speaker 1: you roll forward over?

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Speaker 2: That would be called the western.

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Speaker 1: Role, the western roll. So occasionally we got into the

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Speaker 1: Western role because the height was too high for the scissors.

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Speaker 1: How to showing your age, mate, how do you trainsfer?

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Speaker 1: At what point is day one of the Fosbury Flop?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on a lot of things, Like I

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Speaker 2: think that we all try to do it at some

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Speaker 2: point when we were really young and don't really do

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Speaker 2: it properly. But for me, it was when I was

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Speaker 2: about eleven. I went down to my local athletics club

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Speaker 2: and signed up and there was a coach there who

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Speaker 2: was able to help me do the technique properly, and

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Speaker 2: the ever since then, that's the main.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your first one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. Actually I was in year four. It

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Speaker 2: was actually in the school hall at Mongofo Primary School

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Speaker 2: and I went over two meters. Oh no, sorry two meters.

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Speaker 2: I went over one meter ten and hit my nose

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Speaker 2: got a blood nose and I cried. I cried, and

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Speaker 2: that was my first experience.

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Speaker 1: Of high jump and next stop a gold medal at

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. It's not fair at ay. So how professional

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Speaker 1: is the sport in terms of a living that you

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Speaker 1: can make, a tour that you can participate in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, look, it's definitely a hard grind,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure. You don't you don't get into track

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Speaker 2: and field thinking that you're going to make millions. But

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Speaker 2: at the same time, when you do sort of start

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Speaker 2: getting up into the top ranks, there are opportunities. We

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Speaker 2: obviously earned quite a lot of prize money, you know,

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Speaker 2: private sponsorship, overseas sponsorship and then also government funding. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: we we sort of juggle a few different income streams

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Speaker 2: to make insmeets.

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Speaker 1: Where where is it big globally?

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Speaker 2: It's big in Europe, So that's where we do most

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Speaker 2: of our competing for high jump, particularly it's quite big

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Speaker 2: in Germany and actually through Eastern Europe. I sort of

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's definitely takes you to some interesting places.

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Speaker 2: But there's some people are pretty keen on it.

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Speaker 1: You're a tall guy, Is that a prerequisite?

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Speaker 2: Not really, Like I wouldn't say that there are any short

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Speaker 2: you'll probably probably need to go find another event to

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Speaker 2: of the taller guys. What are your six what I'm

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Speaker 1: What are your wigh?

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Speaker 2: I'm about eighty Well at the Olympics, I was about

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Speaker 1: Is that about right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's it's always a constant debate, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm one of the heavier high jumpers for sure. A

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Speaker 2: so maybe one and weigh sixty seven kgs.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's my way.

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Speaker 2: There's some very different athletes out there, but I think

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Speaker 2: for me, you know, the body that I have really

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Speaker 1: So what is it you need? My way of power?

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Speaker 1: So if you're slight, how do you generate the power

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Speaker 2: So if you're really slight, so if you're like a

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Speaker 2: when I come into take off, that's when I really

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Speaker 2: generate a lot of power.

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Speaker 1: Where's the magic at the takeoff point? So I became

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Speaker 1: mismerized by this. At the takeoff point, you're up and

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Speaker 1: it's all timing at that point. It's not necessarily that

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Speaker 1: it's the timing when you go back arch flick your legs.

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Speaker 2: It is everything once it gets to there. But I

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Speaker 1: Sort of the as you run it.

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Speaker 1: Do you know where?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why some of them pull out and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you don't. You don't want to

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Speaker 2: but you can also you can chuck your foot down,

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Speaker 2: and I did in the final put my foot down

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Speaker 1: Does it when you're when you're over the back backwards

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. I mean that part of the jump is

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Speaker 2: It's it's just part of the timing of Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, isn't it? Has it changed dramatically since you've

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Speaker 2: Not really, And I think it's it's funny. Actually, I

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Speaker 2: the sport where there was a lot of guys jumping

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Speaker 2: two meters forty, And since I've actually come into it,

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Speaker 2: no one's jumped to forty for about ten years now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I suspect the best for those guys. But there was

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Speaker 2: I think now is the time to really sort of

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Speaker 1: And so we're at peak human? Do you reckon's? What's

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Speaker 1: the top number? What's your best? So my best is

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Speaker 1: two thirty six, which is the interesting thing. You don't

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Speaker 1: you can win a gold not necessarily jumping too third.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to jump too thirty six to win

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Speaker 1: a gold because it was an attrition thing at the Games,

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Speaker 1: which I find fascinating. So you keep going basically until

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a brutal sport,

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Speaker 2: But ultimately it's it's the last jump that counts, and

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Speaker 2: that's the that's the scary thing is you know, you

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Speaker 2: do all this power work and then two three hours later,

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Speaker 2: how do you how to kind of get up for it?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? It's two thirty six yt or ish for anybody

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Speaker 1: and we peak human.

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Speaker 2: So so the world record is two forty five, which

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Speaker 2: was done about twenty five years ago now, so it's.

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Speaker 1: There's something about that's suspicious.

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Speaker 2: It's quite a Yeah, it's quite a big record, but

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Speaker 2: I think I think that it's possible, Like it's it's

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Speaker 1: Some What would you need to do for me?

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Speaker 2: It's just about getting stronger and faster, and that's something

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Speaker 2: that we really worked on this year, probably the most

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Speaker 2: we've done of that in my whole career, and that's

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Speaker 2: that's why I've done so well. And so I think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, if I have another four years of that,

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Speaker 1: Where does that put them?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, well I'm not getting younger, that's for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think for me so I'm twenty eight now, thirty

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Speaker 2: two would probably be probably be it the back for me,

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Speaker 2: shoes for menci ankle. We put about ten times our

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Speaker 1: So are you carrying injuries at any given time? Or

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Speaker 1: you're pretty clean?

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Speaker 2: I mean define injuries right like I think stuff that hurts.

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Speaker 2: if you're not hurting, you probably haven't trained hard enough.

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Speaker 1: Good on you. I like the attitude. Most important questionable

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Speaker 1: why do you wear baggy shorts when you're going over

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Speaker 2: I have never had a bar come down because shorts

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Speaker 2: and I have never seen it happen. So the time

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Speaker 2: it does happen, I will, I will, I will come

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Speaker 2: back to you and I will say, but yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: definitely for me.

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Speaker 1: It's notice you're good on you. Are you living your dream?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, it's it's been a whirlwind and I'm just so,

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Speaker 1: And course for the country. It's fantastic because when kids

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Speaker 1: they see you, they see anything's possible, presumably.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think I think that's my kind of messages.

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Speaker 2: As for me, I didn't have anyone to look up to.

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Speaker 2: You know, the first time I jumped to thirty was

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Speaker 2: was or first time I experienced anyone jumping too thirty

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Speaker 2: was me jumping it. The first time I held an

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Speaker 2: Olympic gold medal, it was my medal. And so you know,

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Speaker 2: just go out there and strive your own own you

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Speaker 2: know what, if your dreamers go and go and find

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Speaker 2: that path and just.

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Speaker 1: Go for it, terrific to me you make go, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk you you in LA Yes, absolutely, okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you after that. Another gold Hopefully no apprecire it.

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