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Speaker 1: It's time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along

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Speaker 1: with Ginny Anderson. Good morning to you too.

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Speaker 2: Hey morning, Mike, morning, Jenny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, first of all, I'm just trying to work out

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Speaker 1: what I start with you, Jinny okay into and no,

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Speaker 1: I know your answer. Don't give me the I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to make policy on this program, get I get that,

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Speaker 1: I understand that. But in general, would you look to

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Speaker 1: flip the Erica Stanford announcement of this week?

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Speaker 4: Well, I need to know more about it. So the

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Speaker 4: main issue I have currently is that it's a really

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Speaker 4: short consultation period for such a huge overhaul. And to

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Speaker 4: be honest, my personal view has told Caucus about this.

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Speaker 4: But what's this AI stuff? Are they going to mark

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Speaker 4: the papers?

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Speaker 3: I don't get that, But like AI is going to

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Speaker 3: do something.

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Speaker 1: Well, what about the idea of a certificate versus NCA

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Speaker 1: four subjects? You've got a part five subjects got to

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Speaker 1: pass for ABC D and E marketing. I mean, and

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Speaker 1: that in theory. Does that sit up okay with you guys?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys going to create some sort of big

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Speaker 1: fuss that it becomes an election issue.

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Speaker 4: We knew there were issues within CEA and taking a

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Speaker 4: good look at that. But what we don't want to

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Speaker 4: go back to is the old school system where if

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Speaker 4: you got under fifty percent, you're a failure and that's that.

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Speaker 4: So NCAA was trying to make it more workable for

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Speaker 4: kids to keep progressing and moving. So as long as

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Speaker 4: we're not retuning to a situation where someone gets under

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Speaker 4: fifty percent by one mark and their toast. So that's

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Speaker 4: not going to help anyone. But look, if they're going

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Speaker 4: to make genuine, constructive improvements that make good vocational options

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Speaker 4: for kids, of course we'd be always open to discuss that.

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Speaker 4: My real concern is that six weeks consultation doesn't really

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Speaker 4: give pearans or students the opportunity to have a decent say,

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Speaker 4: all right, what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: Mark cash Patel. Did you meet him?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're in the room and I thought, hang on,

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Speaker 1: he's probably met Mark. Talk me through it. Would you go?

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Speaker 1: Would you go for a year with them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Would Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I'm very good, really focused on getting his if E

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Speaker 5: E agents sort of back to basics, back out doing

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Speaker 5: the law enforcement role that they all joined to do,

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Speaker 5: and obviously really good having him down here and with

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Speaker 5: the permanent presence now to we talked a lot about

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Speaker 5: the myth situation globally and how we can work together

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Speaker 5: on that. Obviously, they've got a much bigger footprint and

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Speaker 5: better intelligence coming out of South America, which is where

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Speaker 5: a lot of this myth andmphetamine has been generated from,

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Speaker 5: and it's having an awful impact on our Pacific countries.

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Speaker 5: And of course both New Zealand Australia are working to

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Speaker 5: deal with us as well.

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Speaker 1: Right, and when Nicholas said she saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: good looking men in suits, were.

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Speaker 2: They good looking as well? She's a far better judge,

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Speaker 2: She's a far Jason.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, of course he's got a security detail with them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the foreshore and seabed. Jinny, would you are you

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Speaker 1: comfortable broadly with what old you know, Justice Minister Goldsmith

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's it's great, it's.

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Speaker 1: But isn't you going back to twenty eleven And if

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Speaker 1: you didn't like twenty eleven you could have done something

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Speaker 1: about it when you're in government, but you didn't.

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Speaker 4: Well, the situation is that it wasn't actually causing any

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Speaker 4: interference with public access and I don't think what he's

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Speaker 4: done is strengthening the martive crown relationship at all. So

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Speaker 4: all of those who have been through the court process

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Speaker 4: are kind of left hanging now.

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Speaker 2: Well, not all of those don't.

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Speaker 4: Well, those who have spent years going through a process,

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Speaker 4: it's more than those who have actually started the process

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Speaker 4: as well, who have initiated that process is more than

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Speaker 4: seven year. So I don't think it actually resolves anything

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Speaker 4: clearly that helps the martyr crown relationship. What was wrong

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Speaker 1: Line that if you if you, if you can prove

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Speaker 1: to a court or the government or whatever that you've

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Speaker 1: had access since eighteen forty pretty much uninterrupted, you get

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Speaker 1: your title. If you don't, you don't. What's wrong with.

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Speaker 4: That that there were very few that colonization that were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and hence therefore you don't want one rule for

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Speaker 1: based on rates, do you you know? In other words,

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Speaker 4: But there were many other instances where they had been

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Speaker 4: contin your customer gathering, where there have been other practices

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Speaker 4: that were happening, and so we still wanted their ability

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Speaker 4: to test that right in the courts. So taking that

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Speaker 4: away didn't really do anything for the Mighty Crown relationship.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, make no, I was just going to say, might

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Speaker 2: that fools?

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Speaker 5: Just reinstating the law back to what the intent was

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Speaker 5: in twenty eleven and it was changed through a court decision.

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Speaker 1: So how do you handle it? See Mark, and don't

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Speaker 1: tell me what goes on in cabinet obviously, But I

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Speaker 1: had Paul on earlier on today and I said, what

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Speaker 1: have you been doing? I mean, why are you listening

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Speaker 1: to courts? If you are the court of the land.

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Speaker 1: You are the highest court of the land, and if

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Speaker 1: you want to do something, do it. What are we

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Speaker 1: mucking around for years on ending and being told what

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Speaker 1: to do courts?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that's so I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: Is that is that you know that once the law

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Speaker 5: has passed, all legislation has passed by Parliament and the

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Speaker 5: intent that should be applied by the courts. But the

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Speaker 5: problem is so that the courts are making their own

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Speaker 5: interpretations of the law, and that's why we've had in

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Speaker 5: this case had to go.

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Speaker 1: But the point I'm saying Judy, though, the point is

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Speaker 1: you don't have to listen to it. I mean you're

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Speaker 1: always going to get somebody to go to court to

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Speaker 1: test and that's fine. But if you're going to get

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Speaker 1: activist courts, what's the point of a parliament.

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Speaker 4: Well you can flip it the other way too and

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Speaker 4: say Parliament's going to override everything the courts.

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Speaker 1: Well, not everything, but the stuff that you as the

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Speaker 1: duly elected power. I ei, the government's right, you know

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Speaker 1: you've got that you go to be able to have

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Speaker 4: This goes right into what is I mean you're getting

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Speaker 4: into law as one or what is a separation of power?

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Speaker 4: I mean the two In twenty eleven you had National

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Speaker 5: Well, it's it's not a separation of power, is she

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Speaker 5: at all? Is quite simply the will of the people,

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Speaker 5: the will of the people.

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Speaker 4: Talking about the legal doctrine the separation of power, which

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Speaker 4: is executive judiciary.

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Speaker 1: But I think Mark, you're arguing more along my lines,

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Speaker 1: and Paul Goldsmith was struggling with it. He seemed he

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Speaker 1: seems to be sort of like the court, and he

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Speaker 1: likes to listen to what the court are saying and

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Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Mark the Sylvie would at

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Speaker 1: the your were you at the conference over the weekend? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was good, buzz.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. That was great, really good conference.

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Speaker 1: When Sylvia comes out party president and goes the country,

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Speaker 1: doesn't see the prime minister's humanity, Does she realize you

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Speaker 1: probably shouldn't say those things out loud, because that's part

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was a campaign on. I thought

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Speaker 3: it was going to be Erica by the end of

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Speaker 3: the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're very we're very lucky to have Sylvie Wood

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Speaker 5: as our president. And and look she's probably talking and

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Speaker 5: engineering terms.

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Speaker 2: He's, you know, the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 5: In my view, I consider him a personal friend and

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Speaker 5: I've got huge admiration for him as a guy that

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Speaker 5: he didn't really get a hotingmoon.

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Speaker 2: He's only in attach, you know.

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Speaker 5: And but the fact of the matter is that he

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Speaker 5: is he is working bloody hard for our country. He

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Speaker 5: knows what to do and in there are times which

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Speaker 5: is extremely difficult at the moment with global headwinds we

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Speaker 5: have there is no one better in my view.

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Speaker 2: That you should be running the country.

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Speaker 1: I would expect you to say that, and not only that, Mark,

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Speaker 1: but I also.

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Speaker 5: Believe I mean that from my heart.

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Speaker 1: I know you believe.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it if I didn't feel.

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Speaker 1: But when, and this is the problem with Sylvia saying

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Speaker 1: what she did. When does it translate to a point

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Speaker 1: where people go, yep, Mark was right and he is

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Speaker 1: a decent blow. Can I get it?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 5: I just think that if they actually look at them,

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Speaker 5: if they if they look and see what he's doing

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Speaker 5: and what he's achieving for us as a country, and

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Speaker 5: if they and if they actually look at the difficulties

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Speaker 5: we are although people aren't feeling it yet, and we

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Speaker 5: fully acknowledge that we are pulling ourselves out of the

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Speaker 5: economic mess that these guys that the previous government put

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Speaker 5: us in. The previous guy's got no plan other than

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Speaker 5: to text people more.

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Speaker 2: He's actually doing. He's excellent. A really good.

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Speaker 3: Kind of waited in there as well. I thought I

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Speaker 4: That was both a good fellow and Sylvia boat saying

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Speaker 4: stuff that he's not that popular.

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Speaker 2: That's that's completely rubbish. Neither of them said there.

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Speaker 4: They were just what the thing is going? Let me

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Speaker 4: just know it was more. It was just making the

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Speaker 4: point there that is, popularity isn't strong and trying to.

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Speaker 1: Be when when you've got to tell people, Mark my

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Speaker 1: point is this, when you've got to tell people something

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Speaker 1: that should be obvious, you've got a problem. Is the issue.

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Speaker 1: It's like saying, look, Hosking really is a nice guy. Now,

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Speaker 1: no one believes that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, All I was going to say is, look, I've

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Speaker 5: been lucky in my lifetime to have worked some really

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Speaker 5: good leaders and limits like you said, Jenny, let me

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Speaker 5: finish please, I've been really lucky to work with some

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Speaker 5: great leaders.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you now.

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Speaker 5: Chris pha Luxen as a minister is without a doubt

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Speaker 5: a great leader and.

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Speaker 2: He powers this ministers up.

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Speaker 5: But I will say this, he expects you deliver results

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Speaker 5: for the country. We're here delivered results of the country,

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Speaker 5: and if we don't, then there's some serious conversations exactly.

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Speaker 3: And that's what's happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Some serious conversations, yes, and that's what Let me have

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Speaker 1: this on this for you, Jinny and it's not a

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Speaker 1: personal thing. I'm just interested in Megan Wood's giving up

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Speaker 1: her list seat. Does that work from home vibes? Is

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Speaker 1: that like can't be bothered? Is that just lazy politics?

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Speaker 1: Why would you want to just sit there being on

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Speaker 1: a list if you can be in an electric well.

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Speaker 4: I think if we're in a situation, if we're in

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Speaker 4: a situation where we're forming government, someone like Meghan, who's

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Speaker 4: her great experience, will be critical. You don't know that

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Speaker 4: on top of everything, No, we don't know that. But

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Speaker 4: she's put herself in a position where she doesn't want

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Speaker 4: to commit to our whole six years of being an

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Speaker 4: electorate seats thinking, you know, obviously she's got some other plans,

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Speaker 4: but she's committed to one of the I don't know.

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Speaker 3: She wants to give to someone else.

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Speaker 4: The opportunity to take to take Wigram and I think

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Speaker 4: good honor she's being able to do that. It's not

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Speaker 4: been an easy decision, but I think enabling someone else

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Speaker 4: to come up through the party to give a clear message,

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Speaker 4: I think that's important.

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Speaker 1: You and you're in Asia Mark with your are you

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Speaker 1: pounding through the jungles.

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Speaker 3: Spear fishing on your private Islands.

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Speaker 5: Of Bali doing some spear fishing. Yet So back on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: And what are you doing, Jinny. Have you come to

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Speaker 1: Auckland to visit the CBD.

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Speaker 4: I am visiting construction companies. I've visited three different constructions.

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Speaker 1: Were they doing anything.

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Speaker 4: Well, Simplicity by the out by the racecourse, They're doing

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Speaker 4: amazing work with sam stubs and simplicity out there.

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Speaker 2: So they are doing an amazing work because works done.

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 4: Talking about up by Michael Cullens.

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Speaker 3: Responsible, that's true, you are, That's what simplic outcomes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all right, but eighteen thousand leaving the country

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Speaker 4: is a little we've lost significantly.

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Speaker 1: All right, you two, you two, you two have a

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Speaker 1: good good time next Wednesday.

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